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Silent BTR tested and ready for delivery to the troops

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Wheel armored vehicle with a hybrid power plant and electric transmission on the basis of the BTR-90 has been tested and is fully ready for delivery to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, reports TASS a message from the deputy general director of the Military Industrial Company (MIC), Alexander Krasovitsky.


Silent BTR tested and ready for delivery to the troops


“The topic has been completely worked out by us, in the near future we are signing the last act with the Ministry of Defense. I believe that in the conditions of the current hostilities, a silent combat vehicle is needed, it will be in demand. Today we are working very closely with our customers in the person of the Ministry of Defense and other law enforcement agencies. This is a unique sample that is already in Nizhny Novgorod and is waiting in the wings ”,
told Krasovitsky at the exhibition KADEX-2016.

According to the agency, the successful preliminary tests of the BTR-90 "Rostock" with a hybrid power plant were reported back in 2013.

“An armored personnel carrier with a hybrid power plant can move silently on molecular drives when the internal combustion engine is inoperative,” said the representative of the MIC Sergei Suvorov.

At the same time, he emphasized that “as long as the BTR can move only for a limited distance, but with the use of new types of energy storage devices, this distance can be increased tenfold.”

In addition, according to Suvorov, in the near future, “Rostok” may become remotely controlled.
Photos used:
ITAR-TASS / Mikhail Dzhaparidze
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  1. shooter18
    shooter18 2 June 2016 19: 26
    +9
    Everything for the army !!
    1. poquello
      poquello 2 June 2016 20: 22
      +30
      Quote: shooter18
      Everything for the army !!

      Give the APCs on nuclear batteries!
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 2 June 2016 22: 03
        +6
        I join-you give the APC on the NUCLEAR batteries !!!
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      2. alex-defensor
        alex-defensor 4 June 2016 15: 53
        0
        The author of the article inserted the photo without thinking. The text refers to the BTR-90 "Rostok", but the photo is not it!
    2. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 2 June 2016 20: 40
      +7
      Quote: shooter18
      Everything for the army !!

      Colleague, what about the army? BTR-90, was not adopted by the Russian army. AND WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED EVER, FOR IN THE ROOT DOES NOT MEET the official concept of development of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, as it is nothing more than the manufacturer's desire to "earn" money on the defense budget. Think about how much money was invested in the development of the Armata platform, where there is also a line of armored personnel carriers! Well, if only the LADY wants some money, maybe something will come along. And so, improving the model from the 60s is of course nonsense, although it is quite possible for Russia, the cut is great.
      Something like that, colleague. hi
      1. varela
        varela 3 June 2016 01: 54
        +9
        Colleague and what for the army? BTR-90, not adopted by the Russian army. AND WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED

        Actually, it was adopted back in 2008!
        Only from the procurement of MO in the 2011th refused.
        Allegedly, a purely new model will be developed.
      2. Archon
        Archon 3 June 2016 06: 40
        0
        If there is technology, then they can apply it anywhere. If necessary.
      3. Buffet
        Buffet 3 June 2016 09: 58
        0
        I agree ... Plus, the complexity of hybrids is such that conscripts do not trust this equipment, what can I say, even 80 successfully breaks during operation.
        1. The stranger
          The stranger 3 June 2016 10: 22
          0
          So the diesel-electric ship, in principle, is simpler and more constructive, and in operation, than a classic car, all the more - all-wheel drive multi-wheel drive. Not to mention that it is cheaper to manufacture and easier. And just it can be fused to the victim of the Unified State Examination, because they do not need uncles who have killed their whole lives in boxes and cardan.
          Although, this is true only if this thing has a motor-wheel, and as I thought - not sure about it. But anyway - the general way - somewhere there.
        2. COJIDAT
          COJIDAT 3 June 2016 19: 24
          0
          And if, as intended, put on the BRDM-2 - there will be a super machine!
          1. The stranger
            The stranger 4 June 2016 01: 08
            0
            Little he will not fit into it. It is unlikely in the armored personnel carrier, but we must try.
        3. BEECH 1972
          BEECH 1972 6 June 2016 22: 26
          0
          \\\ I agree ... Plus, the complexity of hybrids is such that conscripts do not trust this equipment, to say nothing, even 80 successfully breaks during operation.
          /// In 1937-39, some "hidromutry" pseudo-experts also said the same to Comrade Stalin, saying that automatic weapons are too complicated for this village rabble. Moreover, this is, in principle, too complex a thing and no one will produce it in large quantities. As a result, the mass production of "PP" and the supply of combat units with it had to be organized during the hardest war. Fortunately, even the "experts" as pests and foreign spies were executed through coercion to work useful for society and for the front. Something like this: See fig.
          Well, our people are somehow used to already making all the complex equipment as simple and reliable as possible, if you need something like a bow and arrow, and if you need something like a club or a brush. They made the most reliable and massive automatic machine in the world, and they will also make GSU for armored vehicles.
      4. Old old
        Old old 4 June 2016 00: 45
        0
        And so, improving the model from the 60s is of course nonsense, although for Russia it is quite possible, the cut is great.

        Colt1911 and 7,62mm AK, Tu-95 and B-52, etc. etc. The list goes on and on.
        It is foolish not to use the modernization potential "to the fullest."
      5. The stranger
        The stranger 4 June 2016 01: 27
        -1
        And what about Armata? She is a good family when they fight on a globe, not on a map. Cars for the field, well, even for hilly terrain. They have nothing to do already in the foothills, not to mention difficult places, or settlements there.
        In addition, if you look at the news - it shows that now they are fighting on the machines of the Civil War, not on the 60s. A tachanka after all from there? In this sense, the BTR-60 is also redundant.
        1. An60
          An60 4 June 2016 05: 35
          0
          That’s why you will be using American airplanes. F 22 and F 35 are redundant for you.
    3. st25310
      st25310 2 June 2016 21: 00
      +3
      I hope this technology will be applied at Boomerang ...
    4. lukke
      lukke 2 June 2016 22: 21
      +12
      Everything for the army
      He’s not needed in the army for hell. This is more for the forces participating in the CTO, etc.
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 2 June 2016 23: 04
        +14
        Quote: lukke
        He’s not needed in the army for hell. This is more for the forces participating in the CTO, etc.

        good He, a colleague, is not needed there, either massively or singly. An armored personnel carrier, whatever one may say, ultimately is nothing more than a means of delivering personnel to the place of its combat use. And when a convoy of "silent" lightly armored "trucks" "imperceptibly" delivers a motorized rifle battalion somewhere, adults and competent military people, it causes nothing but a smile. hi
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 3 June 2016 05: 17
          0
          It seems that Boomerang has finally stalled, since suddenly they remembered about Rostock.
        2. lukke
          lukke 3 June 2016 14: 02
          0
          And when a convoy of "silent" lightly armored "trucks" "imperceptibly" delivers a motorized rifle battalion
          +. With the combat use of SMBs on armored personnel carriers, armored personnel carriers follow the tanks, as if in the second line, therefore, based on logic, we also need hybrid tanks and silent shells, which will be used for artillery preparation during the offensive). Then "yes" - they are necessary)
          1. sharp-lad
            sharp-lad 3 June 2016 18: 57
            +2
            In a dense private building, for police and anti-terrorist / anti-sabotage operations, I think an armored vehicle with a hybrid propulsion will be in place.
      2. Old old
        Old old 4 June 2016 00: 52
        0
        He’s not needed in the army for hell. This is more for the forces participating in the CTO, etc.

        Reconnaissance, patrol, security - why aren't the tasks of an armored personnel carrier with BMP firepower?
      3. Grandfather Luka
        Grandfather Luka 4 June 2016 17: 49
        +1
        It seems to me that he’s not needed for hell. Why do you need a silent armored personnel carrier? Someone seriously thinking to go on it somewhere unnoticed?
        Our good to see learn from the Americans to surprise the layman. Show business, nothing personal. Another ten years under the current education system, and such crap will cheer on cheers. So far, only in test mode.
    5. vkl.47
      vkl.47 3 June 2016 07: 48
      0
      so he would have put a 57mm gun
    6. Oleg Lavrov
      Oleg Lavrov 4 June 2016 17: 57
      -1
      In my opinion, a very worthy and promising development! It will be especially demanded for work of the DRG !!
  2. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 2 June 2016 19: 30
    +23
    In the photo, not the BTR-90, but the BTR-82. On the 90, in front of another.
    1. arane
      arane 2 June 2016 19: 42
      +20
      Quote: ramzes1776
      In the photo, not the BTR-90, but the BTR-82. On the 90, in front of another.


      I have not paid attention to pictures for a long time. They often make whatever
    2. figwam
      figwam 2 June 2016 20: 08
      +26
      BTR-90 actually
  3. evil partisan
    evil partisan 2 June 2016 19: 31
    +4
    That is, as I understand it, the problem of the acoustic noise of the engine and exhaust gases by all kinds of ways to suppress / suppress it is not solved in principle, or what? Or can not be solved without changing the design of the armored personnel carrier? Who is in the know. enlighten! Thanks in advance. hi
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 2 June 2016 19: 50
      +14
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      That is, as I understand it, the problem of the acoustic noise of the engine and exhaust gases by all kinds of ways to suppress / suppress it is not solved in principle, or what?

      ... rather, the point is a thermal imaging mask ... there is no radiation from the main heat source - ICE ... I got the impression ... hi
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 2 June 2016 19: 59
        +3
        "... the last act from the Ministry of Defense ..."
        Sounds ominous! ...
        1. megafair
          megafair 2 June 2016 20: 35
          +1
          In the military environment, it is customary to say "extreme" instead of "last", and civilians, especially journalists, are used to saying "last."

          The essence does not change, because - will be more;)
          1. code54
            code54 3 June 2016 02: 27
            0
            I am so for the fact that at first in the army for several years, and no one knows about it! Not .. "ready for ..."
      2. Amurets
        Amurets 3 June 2016 00: 44
        +7
        Quote: Inok10
        ... rather, it is a thermal imaging mask ... there is no radiation from the main source of heat - ICE ... I got the impression ..

        Heat radiation is easier to cope with than acoustic radiation. Remember 1999, the withdrawal of Serbian equipment from Kosovo and the shame of NATO. Not a single object of Serbian armored vehicles was hit by infrared-guided ammunition. thrown over heat sources. It is easier to blur a heat trace than an acoustic one.
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      3. iouris
        iouris 3 June 2016 01: 24
        +3
        So, you think that, contrary to the laws of physics, a powerful traction generator, and electric motors (motor wheels) do not heat up? This is not true.
        Aircraft generators are the most efficient in terms of specific power, they are cooled by incoming air (clean!) And have a resource of up to 1000 hours. The price of such an aircraft generator 40 kW - something about 1 million rubles.
        At one time, I unsuccessfully tried to get information about the "yo-mobile" generator and due to the lack of information even 1,5..2 years before the project was closed I assumed that the project would die. And so it happened.
        But the rest - the project has some advantages.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 2 June 2016 20: 34
      +26
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      That is, as I understand it

      And I understand that for a hybrid war, an armored personnel carrier with a hybrid power plant yes (joke). Well, if for an adult, the whole trick is that with an engine power that is one and a half times less than that of a standard armored personnel carrier, the car demonstrated better driving performance and lower fuel consumption. At the Kubinka airfield, a prototype weighing 22 tons was able to accelerate to a speed of 80 kilometers per hour in 33 seconds. The maximum speed was 97 kilometers per hour. The cruising range of the vehicle for fuel when driving at a speed of 40 kilometers per hour is 940 kilometers. What noise can you evaluate from this video yourself. Hello taiga underground drinks !! (go through link and you will be happy yes )
      1. RUSIVAN
        RUSIVAN 2 June 2016 23: 59
        +5
        I watched the video with pleasure, honestly did not see this ...
        If only the Balts didn’t see this, otherwise everyone in their helmets is asleep from the possible "Russian aggression", and then there is a silent combat vehicle, so they will stop sleeping altogether, everyone will start looking out the windows ...
        1. Dr. Sorge
          Dr. Sorge 3 June 2016 11: 06
          +3
          Pribolltam will dream a terrible silence. And this silence will be the beginning of an invasion for them :) Insomnia is the best medicine. :)
        2. sharp-lad
          sharp-lad 3 June 2016 19: 00
          0
          Oooh! We don’t sleep in helmets in Latvia! Well, except for the soldiers at the post. laughing
    3. Orionvit
      Orionvit 2 June 2016 20: 38
      -4
      If silent only in the infrared, then okay. But in any case, the sound from the friction of tires on the roadway (though at high speeds) exceeds the sound from a running engine. And where are they going to post this whole package. BTR is not rubber.
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 3 June 2016 02: 22
        +1
        Yes, an ordinary silencer, and the problem is solved. What do you invent a bicycle there. How I like the friction of couch engineers.
        1. The stranger
          The stranger 3 June 2016 10: 56
          +2
          A good muffler is big and eats up a lot of power. Because they are not put on racing, and on special equipment. But if they do, air intake will appear, which is only slightly quieter than the exhaust. Behind him is the timing, the rest is much quieter.
          I don’t know why they put emphasis on sound masking. The howl of an accelerating tram is very characteristic, and would stand out sharply on the battlefield, thereby facilitating even the classification of the target. Electrotransmission itself is such a good thing that it doesn’t even need invented advertising. If it is brought.
        2. Nightrain
          Nightrain 3 June 2016 11: 22
          +2
          But in any case, the sound from the friction of tires on the roadway (though at high speeds) exceeds the sound from a running engine.

          For highways, a silent mode is not needed, it is required for the advanced one, especially in such low-intensity conflicts as in the Donbass, where most of the clashes are mutual sabotage raids against each other. Well, how is it? Tires are very noisy when rubbing on the steppe guano? No, but the engine is heard very well. And a silencer has not yet been created that would drown out all the internal combustion engine noise tightly, and even did not stifle engine power.
          1. Orionvit
            Orionvit 3 June 2016 12: 43
            0
            Well then, you think you need to make an electric car, and the problem is solved. Nobody has yet canceled the internal combustion engine, and there is no replacement for it yet.
            1. The stranger
              The stranger 3 June 2016 13: 16
              0
              Ideally, yes, only batteries and other energy sources are not yet in sight for him. So there are only diesel electric ships.
      2. code54
        code54 3 June 2016 02: 34
        +1
        Have you heard at low speeds a convoy of armored personnel carriers along a straight line into Siberian crackling frost? ;)))
      3. Old old
        Old old 4 June 2016 01: 03
        0
        If silent only in the infrared,

        Confused concepts.
        Silent in the acoustic range, in the infrared range - hardly noticeable.
        1. The stranger
          The stranger 4 June 2016 01: 14
          0
          We are looking for a technical terminological dictionary, we find the word "noise". We read thoughtfully. Back here, sorry for your stupid post.
    4. Verdun
      Verdun 2 June 2016 20: 40
      +7
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      e., as I understand it, the problem of acoustic noise of the engine and exhaust gases by all kinds of methods of suppressing / suppressing it is not solved in principle, or what? Or can not be solved without changing the design of the armored personnel carrier? Who is in the know. enlighten!

      It is possible to make the exhaust system of any internal combustion engine almost silent. But large power losses and bulkiness of such "Silencers" make this direction absolutely unpromising. This has been known since the time of King Peas. As for the armored personnel carrier announced in the article, I would like to ask where Mr. Suvorov is going to take, as he has deigned to say, "molecular storage"? Something I have not heard about the success of the Russian industry in this area. and do the developers of such systems realize the difference in cost of conventional and hybrid power plants?
      1. PKK
        PKK 2 June 2016 21: 07
        0
        Well, come on, now all the cool developments will be done on "molecular" storage. This guarantees such increased results that the Chinese, with their 18650s, will quietly fade away. Now the discussions will become curious: "molecular"! Yes! oooh !!.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 2 June 2016 21: 08
        +3
        Quote: Verdun
        , I would like to ask where Mr. Suvorov is going to take, as he deigned to say, "molecular storage"?

        Similar things in the subway are used to move the train in case of network loss.
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 3 June 2016 11: 14
          0
          Quote: Gray Brother
          Similar things in the subway

          How much space do they occupy?
          1. The stranger
            The stranger 3 June 2016 15: 05
            0
            Yes, very little, considering what they are doing, and especially - which are free to operate.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 2 June 2016 21: 44
        +6
        Quote: Verdun
        Where is Mr. Suvorov going to take, as he has deigned to say, "molecular storage"?

        Not necessarily "molecular", in the future, the use of new types of energy storage batteries, lithium-ion or iron phosphate batteries, their production is already localized in Russia. Their installation will increase the power reserve without the use of internal combustion engines at times.
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 3 June 2016 11: 18
          0
          Quote: Tersky
          in the future, the use of new types of drives

          In the future, to the general director of one office where I worked, a couple of hooters at one time promised to create a refrigeration unit for a refrigerator from a simple car generator and a couple of certain "know-how" devices, each no larger than a palm. Neither money nor developers could be found.
      4. Amurets
        Amurets 3 June 2016 00: 47
        +2
        Quote: Verdun
        Where is Mr. Suvorov going to take, as he has deigned to say, "molecular storage"?

        Just give you a link without comment. Http://www.remkam.ru/kammust-34/
    5. Const
      Const 2 June 2016 22: 07
      0
      Acoustics and thermodynamics will save you, such things have always been a state or commercial secret.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 2 June 2016 22: 23
        -2
        Quote: Const
        Acoustics and thermodynamics will save you

        If guided by the laws of physics, and not marketing, the efficiency of a hybrid power plant should be significantly lower than that of a conventional ICE. The only exceptions are hybrid cars equipped with an energy recovery system, as in Formula 1. But such systems begin to work at speeds that are hardly available for armored personnel carriers.
        1. Genry
          Genry 2 June 2016 23: 54
          +8
          Recovery works even on electric bikes with a gearless motor and does not play a significant role.
          A hybrid always has a higher fuel efficiency, because the engine-generator works closer to the optimal modes, without sudden changes in speed (no smoke). And there is no loss of power on the gears of the gearbox and transmission.
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 3 June 2016 10: 39
            -4
            Quote: Genry
            And there is no loss of power on the gears of the gearbox and transmission.

            But there is a loss of power during the transition of energy from one form to another.
            Recovery works even on electric bikes with a gearless motor and does not play a significant role.
            The energy accumulated at such speeds is sufficient for the bicycle. For a car, and even more so for an armored personnel carrier, this is unlikely. As for "does not matter" you tell the Formula 1 drivers about it. In fact, there was such a well-known specialist in the automotive industry - Julius Mackerle. In 1962 in London he was awarded the Herbert Akroyd Stuart Prize, established by the Institution of Mechanical Engineers (UK). So, at one time he wrote a good book - "Modern economical car". There he quite competently analyzes the shortcomings of various systems of this kind. If you're interested, it's worth reading.
            1. The stranger
              The stranger 4 June 2016 01: 05
              +2
              And you google the history of the trolleybuses of the USSR, there will be topics for reflection :)
            2. Genry
              Genry 5 June 2016 09: 38
              0
              Quote: Verdun
              The energy stored at these speeds is enough for a bicycle. For a car and especially an armored personnel carrier - this is unlikely.

              Recovery in transport is the conversion of kinetic energy into electrical energy. It has, for all types of transport, a coefficient that is close (associated) with the generator efficiency. She does not care where the process takes place.
  4. NEXUS
    NEXUS 2 June 2016 19: 34
    +2
    An interesting BTR ... in this connection, the fate of the BTR-82A is interesting ... or will they also be putting a hybrid installation on it? At the same time, Kurganets and T-15 are on the way ...
  5. ARES623
    ARES623 2 June 2016 19: 37
    +2
    Best the enemy of the good. Well this is not a large reserved volume; you need to put the generator into several hundred kW, or something like that. All instead of reducing the noise of your engine. Someone outwitted someone. Yet BRT is not a submarine ...
    1. vvnab
      vvnab 2 June 2016 19: 48
      +5
      + generator
      - transmission

      It is still unknown what is harder.
    2. Tersky
      Tersky 2 June 2016 20: 54
      +4
      Quote: ARES623
      Well this is not a large reserved volume; you need to put the generator into several hundred kW, or something like that.

      Diesel YaMZ-650.10 produced by OJSC "YaMZ" with the power limited to 360 hp; traction induction valve generator and energy storage unit. Here is a picture of a hybrid dvigla with 110 horsepower (total installation weight 1000 kg)
  6. vvnab
    vvnab 2 June 2016 19: 40
    +3
    Is he?
    http://auto.vesti.ru/news/show/news_id/523713/

    News dated JULY 30, 2013
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 2 June 2016 19: 57
      +11
      Quote: vvnab
      Is he?

      ... apparently ... yes ... well, why didn’t they insert the video ?! ... with your permission ... hi
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 2 June 2016 20: 32
      +1
      +++ indeed, this novelty has been driving the range for 3 years. The video is from there. It is interesting to compare both cars when it is towing an BTR-80.
  7. User
    User 2 June 2016 19: 42
    +3
    The surprise factor can neutralize the superiority of the enemy forces several times. Plus the forced movement near the enemy's position if it is impossible for any reason to engage in battle. And the limited movement distance is certainly not very good, but the internal combustion engine is used in the normal mode, and "noiselessness" is used only in certain situations.
    1. Orionvit
      Orionvit 2 June 2016 20: 47
      -4
      Isn’t it easier to just equip a good muffler? In small arms, this method has been used for a very long time. Moreover, he is involved in the automotive industry everywhere. Battery-powered armored personnel carrier, in my opinion, is a new joke. In combat conditions, this is unnecessary for the army.
  8. masiya
    masiya 2 June 2016 19: 44
    0
    Strange I was in the bottom and did not hear such advanced things, about hybrid power plants, with some kind of molecular storage, or nonsense nonsense ... or torn secretism ..., but in general there is no noise in field equipment the size of a good barn and in infa anyway lights up and see one fig on the field ...
    1. User
      User 2 June 2016 20: 10
      +6
      More good and different terms!
      On the fingers, as I understand it: two power plants - an electric motor and an internal combustion engine. "Molecular storage" - humanly, a battery. You probably know the difference when the engine is running and off (for any car). And a working electric motor should be much quieter than an internal combustion engine. It is clear that there is no sense in the field, but on rough terrain, especially wooded, you will immediately hear a column of equipment, and then you will see. And so they will pass you by, and you will not even recognize.
      1. adept666
        adept666 2 June 2016 20: 40
        +2
        two power plants - an electric motor and an internal combustion engine.
        Most likely the power plant is an electric motor, and the internal combustion engine twists the generator for Molecular Storage it is nothing more than a super capacitor (a high power capacitor based on activated carbon). Supercapacitors are connected in parallel-series and form a capacitor bank, which is why it is written in the article that you can’t get far, but the stealth mode is not always needed, and if 1-2 km of quiet running is provided, then it’s quite normal.
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 2 June 2016 20: 12
      +8
      Quote: masiya
      Strange I was in the bottom and did not hear such advanced things, about hybrid power plants, with some kind of molecular storage, or nonsense nonsense ... or torn secretism ..., but in general there is no noise in field equipment the size of a good barn and in infa anyway lights up and see one fig on the field ...


      The noise from the armored vehicles is a serious unmasking sign (if there is no cannonade). Although now the 21st century, not every centimeter of space is scanned by intelligence. And then, and on modern armored vehicles, technologies for reducing visibility in the radio and infrared ranges appear. If we add noiselessness to them, is it really bad?
      1. masiya
        masiya 2 June 2016 22: 15
        0
        Guys, I didn’t want to raise such a discussion on this topic ... maybe for the security of our country a little less to disclose what is not necessary, huh?
    3. Unclevanj
      Unclevanj 2 June 2016 20: 24
      +2
      Thermal radiation is reduced several times, noise is also reduced by an order of magnitude, it is not so high, and the field is not an area paved with cobblestone, bushes, ravines and other delights of rough terrain.
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 2 June 2016 20: 44
        0
        Quote: UncleVanja
        Thermal radiation is reduced several times, noise is also reduced by an order of magnitude, it is not so high, and the field is not an area paved with cobblestone, bushes, ravines and other delights of rough terrain.


        The noise is not so high, are you talking about ordinary armored vehicles like BTR-80, T-90? In fact, they are far from being heard. If you are talking about something else, then I did not understand. About paving in general we are not talking. Outside the city, the movement of armored vehicles is well audible.
    4. Manul
      Manul 2 June 2016 20: 40
      +4
      Quote: masiya
      Strange, I’m in the bottom and have not heard such advanced things about hybrid power plants, with some kind of molecular storage

      I was most interested in what kind of animal it is - a molecular drive. vvnab has already given a great link. It turns out that Kamaz residents (and others) also use similar technology. Here is the link of the interaction of the MNE with the battery. (Picture is not from there)
      http://www.remkam.ru/kammust-34/
      1. Simak
        Simak 3 June 2016 18: 13
        0
        I came across this "drive" ... On the tower, this "drive" would knock on someone.
        1. The stranger
          The stranger 3 June 2016 18: 31
          +1
          What are the problems?
  9. Lieutenant Izhe
    Lieutenant Izhe 2 June 2016 19: 50
    .
    a question for the creators of this wunder-waffle ...
    - Ah, this is your ..molecular accumulator, a case not from China, arrived in our defense industry under the guise of polymer lithium ion battery ?! laughing
    (a, all electronics molecular storage wassat for pairing-charging) wink
    1. vvnab
      vvnab 2 June 2016 19: 54
      +15
      No, they mean the so-called supercapacitors whose production has long been established in Russia.
      http://texnokor.com/mne.php
      1. pv1005
        pv1005 2 June 2016 22: 17
        +5
        Quote: vvnab
        No, they mean the so-called supercapacitors whose production has long been established in Russia.
        http://texnokor.com/mne.php

        Quite right, and it was established back in the late 90s of the last century.
        1. iouris
          iouris 3 June 2016 01: 30
          +3
          Ionistors cannot replace the battery due to low capacity. They are needed in order to save energy in the recovery mode and just as quickly give it up, if necessary, accelerate or increase the torque.
          A battery is very expensive.
          1. The stranger
            The stranger 3 June 2016 13: 10
            +2
            Yonistor just with a very large capacity. Only they have their own problems, from which they turn out to be too delicate.
  10. AlexSK
    AlexSK 2 June 2016 19: 51
    +2
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  11. 31rus2
    31rus2 2 June 2016 19: 56
    0
    Dear, there are a lot of questions, why the BTR-90 is not accepted for service, why not promising samples, how this installation can be used on other chassis, what it means and how much it really is not much (the distance on which can move), why again without crew version specifically on the BTR-90, where the performance characteristics of the machine
    1. adept666
      adept666 2 June 2016 20: 45
      0
      why btr-90 not adopted
      structurally did not arrange for the military to protect, the mass-overall characteristics, the lack of fodder landing and most importantly for the price smile
      how much is really not much (the distance on which can move)
      not more than a few kilometers, there is a battery of supercapacitors.
  12. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 2 June 2016 19: 57
    +3
    Quote: masiya
    Strange I was in the bottom and did not hear such advanced things, about hybrid power plants, with some kind of molecular storage, or nonsense nonsense ... or torn secretism ..., but in general there is no noise in field equipment the size of a good barn and in infa anyway lights up and see one fig on the field ...

    The development of new technologies, no more than that, I strongly doubt that the Moscow Region will be interested in this machine, I think that we are talking about design and technological developments, and this unit is like a demonstrator. This is my opinion, it is quite possible that it is erroneous. hi
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 June 2016 20: 08
    +10
    Drive-type motor-wheel, ionists as energy stores, motor-generator of decent power ... An interesting concept, and for intelligence - a dream. In conjunction with the radio absorbing tissue - such a night ghost. Thermal signature - minimum, noise - minimum, speed, armor, power reserve ... IMHO, the ideal scout.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 2 June 2016 20: 31
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      perfect scout
      On the spot "dancing", cool!
  14. cedar
    cedar 2 June 2016 20: 27
    +5
    Designers are looking for ways to make the technique inconspicuous in all radiation ranges. In this case, sound and heat. You can only wish them to create in this regard a really promising model of armored personnel carriers for our Army.
    1. megafair
      megafair 2 June 2016 20: 40
      +1
      Yes, a difficult task ... Even with all the protection of the internal combustion engine against detection by thermal traces, you can find a car on heated tires.

      Of course, the best defense is an attack, but if the crew is not experienced, and to detect the enemy it will take additional time, due to the use of additional means of reducing the unmasking factors, then this is already worth introducing, because it can in certain cases - become a decisive condition!
  15. Lester7777
    Lester7777 2 June 2016 20: 42
    +2
    Polite armored personnel carrier for polite people.
  16. atamankko
    atamankko 2 June 2016 21: 02
    +1
    We need to arm ourselves only with new technologies in order to get around the enemies.
  17. serg2.72
    serg2.72 2 June 2016 21: 24
    0
    Just like my watch, only solar panels are not enough to charge the ionistor lol (joke)
    But seriously, some Japanese ionistors plow very, very long time, compared to the battery, and there are less worries. But marriage also comes across, Chinese probably.
  18. Berkut24
    Berkut24 2 June 2016 21: 47
    +4
    People, yes, relax already. The Ministry of Defense ordered a research project to develop advanced technologies. BTR-90 was chosen as an experimental platform. It was not supposed to be put into service initially. Just a technological reserve for the future. Maybe over time they will make a reconnaissance vehicle, maybe something else ... So far, just a technological reserve, not intended for any new platform undergoing final tests.
    In the future, the MO orders such R&D in batches in all areas. Something turns out, something not. Technology in life goes back and forth. That from the defense to the civilian, that in the opposite direction. no need to draw far-reaching conclusions.
  19. iouris
    iouris 2 June 2016 23: 57
    +1
    Here it is: "Yo-BTR"!
    1. vvnab
      vvnab 3 June 2016 00: 31
      0
      I also remembered the first thing about the E-mobile))
  20. varela
    varela 3 June 2016 01: 58
    0
    “An armored personnel carrier with a hybrid power plant can move silently on molecular storage devices with an idle internal combustion engine + APC can only move a limited distance”

    Is this what he will ride on springs until the plant runs out?
  21. Orionvit
    Orionvit 3 June 2016 02: 00
    0
    Quote: ARES623
    Best the enemy of the good. Well this is not a large reserved volume; you need to put the generator into several hundred kW, or something like that. All instead of reducing the noise of your engine. Someone outwitted someone. Yet BRT is not a submarine ...

    Well, here they are, they have put minuses for such an idea. It seems that they see red and immediately bluntly minus. Yes, and to hell with them.
  22. Orionvit
    Orionvit 3 June 2016 02: 14
    0
    Quote: varela
    “An armored personnel carrier with a hybrid power plant can move silently on molecular storage devices with an idle internal combustion engine + APC can only move a limited distance”

    Is this what he will ride on springs until the plant runs out?

    At least one sensible person was found. And then I thought only I was the only one.
  23. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 June 2016 04: 40
    0
    I think that this machine is a break-in technology in real conditions.
    And then later it will be possible to create a number of other machines with a narrower specialization.
    Because how simple is an armored personnel carrier it really is not relevant.
  24. Samoyed
    Samoyed 3 June 2016 07: 59
    +1
    The transmission is removed on wheels. How many losses are we throwing out? Each wheel has a built-in engine, high-torque, with a wide range of speeds. There is no gearbox, and the engine on a generator running at stable speeds can be brought to super economy mode. Do not need APU when it is standing. By the way, a source of high electrical power appears and from it one can also feed any non-traditional stray, say, EW or a blinding laser. IMHO.
  25. Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 3 June 2016 08: 28
    0
    Silent armored personnel carrier ... And how high is the need for noiselessness? Perhaps for the special services, but for the army it is doubtful.
  26. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 3 June 2016 09: 14
    0
    I think the BTR -90 will be delivered in small batches. Perhaps for special units and the implementation of special operations ...
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 3 June 2016 10: 27
      0
      Quote: Alexey-74
      I think the BTR -90 will be delivered in small batches. Perhaps for special units and the implementation of special operations ...


      Will not be. This machine is very expensive to manufacture. For special forces there are armored cars, of which they have made lately - in bulk.
      Such vehicles are needed only by the ground forces, and more precisely, motorized rifle formations of the ground forces. Perhaps even the Marine Corps.
      Airborne has BMD.
  27. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 3 June 2016 10: 24
    +2
    A wheeled armored vehicle with a hybrid power plant and electric transmission based on the BTR-90 has been tested and is ready for delivery to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, reports the deputy director general of the Military Industrial Company Alexander Krasovitsky to TASS.

    Full bullshit, not news (maybe that's how it was filed). Or in the GABTU everyone smoked something together? At first, the BTR-90 was abandoned due to the fact that it does not have a stern exit. They began to make "Boomerang", now they are again returning to the BTR-90 theme, but with a hybrid transmission. What kind of throwing from one extreme to another is unclear.

    If this hybrid transmission was tested for "Boomerang", then write so. Better yet, show me. What's around the bush?
  28. Petrik66
    Petrik66 3 June 2016 11: 07
    0
    Silent armored personnel carrier, silently rode up to the enemy and panicked in his ranks, suddenly exploded on a land mine. The enemy, in fright and surprise, came to full readiness and surrendered.
  29. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 3 June 2016 11: 56
    +1
    What can I say, for me, my 80 with the MAZ engine moved quite silently. With KaMaZovsky noisier. And GAZ's spark (probably now a rarity) didn’t stand nearby. Are they going to sneak up on the enemy in the bushes in the 90s?
  30. salavat
    salavat 3 June 2016 13: 25
    0
    Is a molecular drive an ionistor stole?
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 3 June 2016 14: 01
      0
      Well something like that. There are several types of them, and since they are not the most popular parts, the terminology is not very popular.
  31. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 June 2016 15: 05
    0
    Hybrids are the future. But I think that first they will appear on freight and construction equipment, and only then, when all the elements of the system are worked out and run-in, they will be used in military equipment.
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 3 June 2016 15: 39
      0
      I don't know what the hybrid is eating. But if this is what is now being put on cars - both mechanical, and electric traction - then the future is definitely NOT behind them. This is just the most stupid, and hence the most dull dead end of evolution.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 4 June 2016 08: 10
        0
        A hybrid is an electric drive through a wheel motor and a diesel engine with a generator. Or a turbine with a generator. The efficiency of this installation is one of the highest, and the implementation does not run into technological super difficulties.
  32. kig
    kig 3 June 2016 15: 16
    +1
    Molecular drive .... somewhere flashed something like that ... oh yes, ё-mobile! Really Prokhorov nailed to the military-industrial complex?
  33. satelit24
    satelit24 3 June 2016 15: 45
    0
    Such shit in the form of electro-diesel, even in Afghanistan, drove - because of the low power dvigun saved on armor!
  34. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 June 2016 16: 56
    0
    Cool stuff, especially for specialists, reconnaissance and paratroopers. As in that song "We were not expecting you, but you were pinned."
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 3 June 2016 21: 27
      0
      What kind of a clown did he put minus 1, so how did he grow wiser?
  35. Shuttle
    Shuttle 3 June 2016 17: 07
    0
    Graphene batteries only. Only they!
  36. andrewkor
    andrewkor 3 June 2016 19: 15
    0
    I drew attention to the latest fashion trend: if you do not say that the plane, tank, armored personnel carrier, infantry fighting vehicles, other equipment will be robotic in the future, then it is not worth considering.
  37. andrewkor
    andrewkor 3 June 2016 19: 15
    +2
    I drew attention to the latest fashion trend: if you do not say that the plane, tank, armored personnel carrier, infantry fighting vehicles, other equipment will be robotic in the future, then it is not worth considering.
  38. Lens
    Lens 3 June 2016 20: 00
    0
    Probably the development will be acquired by the state of California, USA - it is there that the most stringent standards for vehicle emissions))) am But seriously, my personal opinion is that at this stage this type of engine is not needed in a combat transport vehicle. Expensive. The future may and will present new storage systems, but then tanks and armored personnel carriers with them will become commonplace. As with ICE now ...
  39. japs
    japs 4 June 2016 00: 13
    +4
    I will add: Red Fox (nano battery) + Prokhorov (yo-mine) + "genius manager" I. Musk =
    silent pepelats with energy-saving gravitsapa for special operations on the budget of the Russian Federation.
    Damn it, God forbid Taburetkin read and use in helicopters!

    Seriously, without a breakthrough in battery business - it's just a spherical horse in a vacuum. Expensive.
  40. The stranger
    The stranger 4 June 2016 00: 51
    +2
    But even more serious, I don’t understand the people who write such posts. It is necessary, in one sentence to sign in complete ignorance and misunderstanding of entire groups of quite relevant problems. Why are you doing this? Just to write something?
    This is how to understand that there is no need to fight for the nano-accumulator? Why not? The theoretical limit of energy intensity is the battery at nanolithium. So we need to learn how to somehow make macro details from nanoparticles, such as lithium.
    With noiselessness, the truth was a blunder of the PR specialists, but there they told, albeit stupidly, about the electric transmission. I’ve built more than one SUV, some with results on non-child pokatushki, and I can calmly assure you that such a transmission is my dream. Only already I know that I alone can not do it, I even know why. And there, obviously, adult uncles got down to business, so what's wrong? It is envious of me, albeit white, but with envy that it is not a member of that collective, but you would be happy.

    By God, I do not understand you - trolls.
  41. serge siberian
    serge siberian 4 June 2016 17: 58
    0
    guys, why not look at diesel locomotives. They can become a prototype. Well, you can also recall "ERALASH" with a clock on batteries (two suitcases). And about conscripts and contract soldiers I will say not all contract soldiers will live until "Monday." they knew quite well what to fight, to serve them for one year is not enough. Not all of them, but some are fattened for six months, the weight is not enough.
  42. japs
    japs 5 June 2016 16: 07
    +3
    Quote: Alien
    By God, I do not understand you - trolls.


    Dear, why immediately to the trolls? First: Have I said anything about the development or criticize the work on this pepelats? Work hard! But, to the troops? Dismiss
    Secondly: A joke of humor - this is not only everyone can understand today.
  43. Spectre
    Spectre 5 June 2016 23: 27
    +1
    I am far from knowing how logistics and supply work in the army, but I think only because of one reduction in fuel consumption does the hybrid have the right to life. If you take large cars (crossovers, SUVs), then there fuel economy comes out 1.5 times. Given that military equipment easily and naturally eats 100 liters per 100 km (or even more), fuel economy and an increase in the radius of action at a single gas station should be a very, very significant reason.

    It’s really not clear why in advertising they only push noiselessness.
  44. alleksSalut4507
    alleksSalut4507 6 June 2016 21: 27
    0
    Quote: poquello
    Give the APCs on nuclear batteries!

    You give a nuclear armored personnel carrier on finger batteries ... (joke).
    1. BEECH 1972
      BEECH 1972 6 June 2016 21: 52
      0
      Bill is already entot joke! Are you entot like him? Pilaginator! ツ
  45. BEECH 1972
    BEECH 1972 6 June 2016 21: 49
    0
    \\\ Silent armored personnel carrier tested and ready for delivery to the troops
    /// Ready is not a silent armored personnel carrier, a completely new concept has been developed, tested and implemented. And what other technique will it be applied to, I think it will show the near future.
    ZY
    You look and a submarine in the steppes of "second-hand kraina" will not be a myth at all..