The troops began to supply the latest missiles "air-to-air"

The new missile "air-air" has been developed and already delivered to the troops, reports RIA News a message from the head of the Dux company Yury Klishin.

Guided missile "air-to-air" short-range P-73

The general director said that the new missile is improved a number of key characteristics.

Earlier, in an interview with the agency, Klishin said that “the rocket has an infrared pointing head with improved characteristics, in addition, it has expanded the capabilities of the launch range by angle of attack, overload, capturing the head of guidance, and also increased protection from various traps.”

In addition, "the developers have improved the reliability, endurance and versatility of the new missile."

All this, he said, "has allowed to increase the effectiveness of missiles at 25-30%».

The basic P-73 1983 created in grams specifically for combat maneuvering low. The P-73E rocket is offered for export.

Comments

[newcomer]

fear mattress covers and geyroptsv, whether else will be. Our VPK is capable of the wonders of technology and physics.

[Teberii]

This is only for close combat. And what a new day is preparing for us, I hope many more surprises.

[newcomer]

absolutely right. In my opinion, even these are already there for su35 mig35i pakfa.

[venik]

Quote: Teberii

This is only for close combat ..

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Yes, as if not quite for the "neighbor" ... I want to remind you that the GOS "73rd" has enough target up to 40 km (on the COUNTER course !!!) .. And I'm not talking about new ones ...
It takes pride for SUCH cars !!

[tronin.maxim]

Quote: newbie

Our VPK is capable of the wonders of technology and physics.

The main thing is that no one bothers him!

[Arktidianets]

Yeah, Kudrin and a hedgehog with them.

[theadenter]

You write like we’ve made some kind of super-terrible wunderwaffle.
It is just a matter of successfully modifying a short-range missile.

[figwam]

This missile will be used and PAKFA.

[mav1971]

Quote: figvam

This missile will be used and PAKFA.

Where? In which compartments?

[NEXUS]

Quote: mav1971

Where? In which compartments?

On the external sling.

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: mav1971

Where? In which compartments?

On the external sling.

But what about PAKFashny options based on the 9М96 and 9М100 missiles? :))))

[NEXUS]

Quote: mav1971

But what about PAKFashny options based on the 9М96 and 9М100 missiles? :))))

But does this really prevent other rockets from hanging on the external suspension?

[figwam]

Quote: mav1971

Quote: figvam

This missile will be used and PAKFA.

Where? In which compartments?

Inland.

[mav1971]

Quote: figvam

Quote: mav1971

Quote: figvam

This missile will be used and PAKFA.

Where? In which compartments?

Inland.

Good answer.
At Ф-22 - 2 type of compartments.

[Kathernik]

- It’s not clear - they increased the launch range according to the angle of attack. So, like before, she was all-perspective, and could hit through her head ....

[Thunderbolt]

120 ".

[User]

This is all of course good, but why such abstract phrases:

All of this, according to him, "allowed to increase the effectiveness of the rocket by 25-30%."

Either say as it is (the probability of hitting a target of this type has increased by so much, the range of hitting a target by so much) or do not say anything. And so an empty phrase.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: User

Either say as it is (the probability of hitting a target of this type has increased by so much, the range of hitting a target by so much) or do not say anything. And so an empty phrase.

It is necessary for marketers of consumer goods to adopt this phrase. The effectiveness of the new car model increased by 25-30%. So puzzle over what exactly has increased.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

The effectiveness of the new car model increased by 25-30%. So puzzle over what exactly has increased.

That's it! 25-30% better than what ??? Constantly this dibious advertising technique is present in almost all bodies and other advertisements, pah!

[megafair]

Quote: User

Either say as it is (the probability of hitting a target of this type has increased by so much, the range of hitting a target by so much) or do not say anything. And so an empty phrase.

Well, yes, provide full performance characteristics, operating frequency ranges, describe possible evasive maneuvers that go beyond the permissible ranges, outline calculation algorithms, and oscillograms of electronics ... Yes, yes, yes ... I have only one question after your "opus" - Why do you need to know this???

[VP]

You can see a little more details here
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/201606030829-mqib.htm

[Neputin]

Well, good for your neighbor. Competent people tell me what we have for the long-distance. Are we far behind "potential friends", or is the situation under control?

[Panikovsky]

long-range air-to-air missiles are available only in the Russian vks. this is the r-37 rocket. the Americans
aim-54 decommissioned. R-37 is in service with the MIG-31 interceptors. the goals for her are drills,
air tankers and subsonic tomahawks. maneuverable goals, i.e. fighters, during the approach of the rocket have time to leave the affected area. The Russian north is under control, you can sleep peacefully. By the way, on our website they already talked about this, you rummage through the archives of the site, maybe there will be less questions. there was a lot of interesting things, and I hope it will be.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Panikovsky

r-37 is in service with the interceptors mig-31

Not only ... but also on the SU-35 and SU-30/27.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Neputin

Well, good for your neighbor. Competent people tell me what we have for the long-distance. Are we far behind "potential friends", or is the situation under control?

They are behind.
On the approach to the example, KS-172 is a promising Russian ultra-long range air-to-air guided missile developed by NPO Novator, with a range of up to 400 km.
P-37-range 300 km.

[Vadim237]

About this missile they have long been bombarded, but there is still no mass production and adoption in service.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vadim237

About this missile they have long been bombarded, but there is still no mass production and adoption in service.

She passes the tests ... they bring her to mind and she goes to the army. At the click of a finger, such things are not done.

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Neputin

Well, good for your neighbor. Competent people tell me what we have for the long-distance. Are we far behind "potential friends", or is the situation under control?

They are behind.
On the approach to the example, KS-172 is a promising Russian ultra-long range air-to-air guided missile developed by NPO Novator, with a range of up to 400 km.
P-37-range 300 km.

You have already been repeatedly written that KS-172 is a closed project in the middle of 90's.
She will never be.
Stop misleading people. Again and again.

[NEXUS]

Quote: mav1971

She will never be.

Sure? Oh well...

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: mav1971

She will never be.

Sure? Oh well...

Sure.
20 years ago, this program was closed due to the lack of real potential and over-cost.

You think. that a good fairy will come, wave a magic rasp and voila?
Here you have the huge and heavy KS-172 for 2020 year based on the ideas and technologies of 40 summer ago. Hold on.
You didn’t sleep so many nights - you couldn’t sleep without a rocket with a range of 350-400 km ... :)

[NEXUS]

Quote: mav1971

Sure.
20 years ago, this program was closed due to the lack of real potential and over-cost.

Interest in the KS-172 from the Russian military began to return from the second half of the 2000s due to the entry into the final phase of development of the latest fifth-generation fighter PAK FA.
Around this time, the RF Ministry of Defense held a closed competition for a long-range air-to-air missile. In addition to OJSC "GosMKB" Vympel "(KTRV) with K-37, OJSC" OKB "Novator" with the KS-172 (172S-1, AAM-L) rocket participated in it.
Subsequently, the topic "KS-172" was classified, information on the rocket became even more scarce. Once again, the Yekaterinburg OKB Novator failed to obtain permission to demonstrate the KS-2005 (RVV-L) long-range air-to-air missiles at MAKS-172.
At MAKS-2007, prototypes of the KS-172S-1 rocket were shown under the designation "AAM", since then this rocket has not been publicly displayed. A miniature model of the missile was demonstrated as part of the Su-35 aircraft complex at the Air Show China 2008 air show. Then, Russia came up with a proposal to sell the PLA 38 newest Su-35MKK multi-functional combat aircraft specially designed for the Chinese Air Force with KS-172 ultra-long-range air-launched missiles. the design of the Novator Design Bureau, as well as the Yakhont supersonic anti-ship missiles developed by the NPO Mashinostroenie.
In different sources, the name of the "innovators" missile has often changed, so among the weapons that are announced for the Su-35, attention should be paid to powerful missiles that are not used on lighter fighters: the ultra-long-range air-to-air missile K-100- 1, developed by OKB "Novator" from Yekaterinburg, another version of the same KS-172

And now the question is, do you have access to secret documentation in this case on this rocket?

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

And now the question is, do you have access to secret documentation in this case on this rocket?

RVV-BD in the form of K-37M - the beginning of mass production and delivery to the troops - 2014 year.
GOS on it is used 9Б-1103М-350 - i.e. exactly the same as planned at KS-172.

Well, you understand that the adoption of one of the competing products by 2 a year ago puts an unambiguous cross on the dreams of the second.

Especially if you understand that the missiles are huge, they require (each) considerable improvements in the airframe and avionics.
In addition, it is very difficult to find targets for the firing range of 250 + kilometers - in real life.
Tankers don't go that close.
AWAC - too. And besides, they are always undercover.
Strategic bombers? For some reason, it seems that the tactics of their use should not make it possible to shoot them like ducks in a shooting range. There should be protection, except REP / EW.
Scouts if only.
In general, a missile for a single launch on an unarmed target - because no more 1 times no one will climb into the affected area unarmed.
Such a missile, by virtue of its size, is itself an excellent target for any radar and, accordingly, medium- and short-range explosive missiles.

[NEXUS]

Quote: mav1971

Such a missile, by virtue of its size, is itself an excellent target for any radar and, accordingly, medium- and short-range explosive missiles.

But it’s nothing that it’s hyper-fast ... and at the same time maneuvering at these speeds?

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: mav1971

Such a missile, by virtue of its size, is itself an excellent target for any radar and, accordingly, medium- and short-range explosive missiles.

But it’s nothing that it’s hyper-fast ... and at the same time maneuvering at these speeds?

Its speed is only 3-3.5M.
This is the normal speed of an object being shot down for any modern rocket that is ours, that is adversary.
She is not maneuvering.
No specially maneuvering air-to-air missiles and missiles have yet been invented.
They have a slightly different task - not just to destroy the target, but to destroy this very goal as quickly as possible. And the shortest distance is a straight line.

At the moment, all the maneuverability of missiles is designed to perform maneuvers to accelerate the achievement of goals, reaching the lead point, etc.
But not for anti-aircraft and anti-missile maneuvers.

In the near future (in 10-15 years), after the development of Hit-to-Kill systems in the UR, i.e. ensuring a direct hit and destruction of the kinetic component - they will begin to work out maneuvering on the trajectory. But so far this is not and is not planned.

[NEXUS]

Quote: mav1971

RVV-BD in the form of K-37M - the beginning of mass production and delivery to the troops - 2014 year.
GOS on it is used 9Б-1103М-350 - i.e. exactly the same as planned at KS-172.

Well, you understand that the adoption of one of the competing products by 2 a year ago puts an unambiguous cross on the dreams of the second.

I see no problem producing both missiles ... we have two submachine guns.

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

I see no problem producing both missiles ... we have two submachine guns.

Those. for you, the problem is that

1. missiles cost more than one million dollars (about 100 million rubles one missile)?
2. do you need millions of dollars to upgrade avionics avionics?
3. Perhaps it is necessary to have interchangeable pylons-suspension units, because since the L-172 never came out of the "model" - its attachment scheme is unknown, and since it was created on the basis of the S-300 missiles, then xs?
4. Different schemes and application algorithms - should pilots know 2 of different instructions?

And for what?
Just to have 2 missiles with the same purpose? For one plane? For besides MIG-31БМ - there are no carriers for them and are not planned.

[Coconut]

specially for the Turkish Air Force .. so as not to forget about our downed bomber

[Prahlad]

Erdogan would run into a hollow.

[AKsvlad047]

It’s even a little bit easier to communicate with our partners!

[Suhov]

Guided class rocket "Air-to-air" short-range P-73

And what about class rockets "Air-donaldkuk"?

[mav1971]

Quote: Sukhov

Guided class rocket "Air-to-air" short-range P-73

And what about class rockets "Air-donaldkuk"?

No way.

[aksakal]

Quote: mav1971

No way.

- Yes, it seems like we got in touch with the Indians. Why create your own, if a friendly country (or almost friendly) has already been created? Brahmos in the version for the SU-30MKI fighter is perfect for the SU-30SM, and for the SU-35, probably, it will also suit the PAK FA (on an external sling). Small missiles that fit in the PAK FA compartment against Donaldcocks are useless, too small and this is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future. For sinking or at least serious damage to a large ship, warheads are needed at least 180 kg, and even better 300 and above, and the range is at least 100 km at least, but such missiles a priori are not small. So it seems that they agreed on Brahmos, the rocket turned out to be good, on the basis of what successful Soviet development ("Onyx", if I am not mistaken).

[mav1971]

Quote: aksakal

Quote: mav1971

No way.

- Yes, it seems like we got in touch with the Indians. Why create your own, if a friendly country (or almost friendly) has already been created? Brahmos in the version for the SU-30MKI fighter is perfect for the SU-30SM, and for the SU-35, probably, it will also suit the PAK FA (on an external sling). Small missiles that fit in the PAK FA compartment against Donaldcocks are useless, too small and this is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future. For sinking or at least serious damage to a large ship, warheads are needed at least 180 kg, and even better 300 and above, and the range is at least 100 km at least, but such missiles a priori are not small. So it seems that they agreed on Brahmos, the rocket turned out to be good, on the basis of what successful Soviet development ("Onyx", if I am not mistaken).

Solo Bramos is not a problem for the Aegis ship.
You need at the same time 5-6 Brahmos to create a real threat.

Aviation Bramos is still a purely Indian project.
It requires huge improvements to the airframe and avionics.
Only Indian Su-30MKI will be finalized.
Upgrading of our aircraft is not yet planned, modification of the 3M55 (Onyx) missiles for "air" is not planned.

[masiya]

And we need to disseminate information about the performance characteristics of the rocket in this greyhound info space, and so there are enough spies, or fools boasting their awareness of everything and everything ...

[Taygerus]

another nail in the coffin of NATO

[Mountain shooter]

On ultra-long-range - on tests of KS 172 with a launch range of 400 km! Well, the P 37 is in service, also with a range well over 200, well-tuned in production and reliable as a nail. And for close combat, the presented missile is the best of its kind. "With intelligence", calculates target maneuvers and catches the target proactively, locking the target in wider angles. As for the all-aspect capture - I will not say, there is no data. To do this, information about the target must be entered into the memory of the head, and released with a turn "behind the back" on a command like "fly there, someone is there, and kill him"! In a maneuvering battle, this is hardly possible. And for our fighters - with super-maneuverability, it is much easier to turn "tail first", to capture a target and launch a missile at it than to any potentially enemy.

[Botanologist]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And for our fighters - with super-maneuverability, it is much easier to turn "tail first", to capture a target and launch a missile at it than to any potentially enemy.

You cool off from shooters - "tail first" . Before whom are you going to turn around - in front of Rafal? He stuffs you with a margin of a second from any angle. The same is F-16, 18, and all the rest.
Come up with some other argument.

[mav1971]

Quote: Botanologist

You cool off from shooters - "tail first" . Before whom are you going to turn around - in front of Rafal? He stuffs you with a margin of a second from any angle. The same is F-16, 18, and all the rest.
Come up with some other argument.

Maneuver Cobra - had, among other things, a subsequent theoretical justification as launching a rocket in automatic mode at the point "tail first".
Those. the pilot selected the launch mode in advance - and the avionics independently launched the rocket "backwards".
Such modes were planned to be implemented in the Su-30СМ and Su-35С software. This is what the tester of these aircraft said.

[newcomer]

NEXUS, thank you, I don’t remember the code, but the so-called “square” profile rocket, because of its shape, is extremely long for NATO, long-distance for us.

[Arktidianets]

The good news is, most importantly, that the Moscow Region does not click the bread and purchases new products in combat units. Our defense industry has a lot of developments, but only the military department has not as much money as we would like.

[tax payerschik]

Yeah. And the salaries of those who make this rocket, like those of migrant workers. The leadership does not understand the difference between a Tajik with a broomstick and a specialist burdened with knowledge of mechanical engineering technology and experience in this field.

[VeteranVS]

not a rocket in the photo, but its simulator

[tax payerschik]

The real ones do too.

[Aleksandr1959]

A little about the head of "Dux", retired Lieutenant-General Yuri Petrovich Klishin. A very intelligent leader. In the past - Chief of the 929 GLITs MO, then Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force for armaments, Head of the Flight Research Institute. MM Gromova, Deputy General Director, Volga-Aviaservice. Now he is the General Director of OJSC "Duks".
He was awarded the Order of Military Merit, the Red Star, Order of Merit to the Fatherland, IV degree, State Prize Laureate, twice Government Prize Laureate.

[atamankko]

Aviation must not be forgotten; it must always be at its best.

[Mestny]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

It is necessary for marketers of consumer goods to adopt this phrase. The effectiveness of the new car model increased by 25-30%. So puzzle over what exactly has increased.

The car has many interesting for the consumer often mutually exclusive characteristics needed by the buyer in the most unexpected combinations.
A rocket has such characteristics much less. The main thing is to hit the target in the shortest possible time and in the most difficult conditions. It is in this vein that the statement on increasing efficiency should be considered.

[Aleksandr1959]

A rocket has such characteristics much less. The main thing is to hit the target in the shortest possible time and in the most difficult conditions. It is in this vein that the statement on increasing efficiency should be considered.

Very good definition. I want to add (for Lt. Air Force Reserveprobably they don’t study this at military departments) that there are mathematical methods for assessing the combat effectiveness of the aviation complex, there are methods for modeling combat regimes with one or another type of TSA (as far as I remember, NIIAS was engaged in this).

By the way, for those wishing to familiarize themselves with a more complete version of the interview (there is not only about missiles), here is the link http://www.aex.ru/fdocs/2/2016/6/2/27209/

[Redfox3k]

Quote: NEXUS

Quote: Panikovsky

r-37 is in service with the interceptors mig-31

Not only ... but also on the SU-35 and SU-30/27.

On the "Su" you listed there are R-27 of various modifications (R and E, although these are already outdated missiles, and ER and EM are quite suitable for today) R-33 and its development R-37 - were created exclusively for the MiG-31. But the "topic" of the article really is on all aircraft of the Russian Air Force, except for the old modifications of the Su-25, there is a r-60, it seems like they can even hang on a KA-52 helicopter, because the IKGSN r-73 does not require special onboard equipment for targeting and locking, all these operations are done by the IKGSN missile itself. With regard to the 25-30% improved characteristics indicated in the article, this is most likely in terms of range, overloads and target capture angles.

[Zomanus]

We put new "brains" on the old rocket, improved the flying machines.
So the missile is rather modernized.

[newcomer]

Well, guys, I never paid attention to the minuses, but the impression is that there are all such specialists in aviation that there’s nobody to send, sit down gentlemen.

[Alex von Dorn]

Long-range missiles are the most relevant now. "Partners" are not going to conduct close maneuvering combat. Although anything can happen, and the rocket will certainly come in handy.