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Self-propelled complex "Derivation-Air Defense" will be presented in 2017 g

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A prototype of the promising self-propelled complex "Derivation-Air Defense" will be ready next year, reports RIA News a message from the director general of the Petrel Research Institute (part of the UVZ) Georgy Zakamennyh.


BMP-3 "Derivation"

“We are carrying out the development work“ Derivation-Air Defense ”to create an anti-aircraft artillery complex of caliber 57 of millimeters in the interests of the military air defense. The readiness of the prototype is expected next year, work is being carried out within the framework of the current state defense order, ”the general director said in Astana at the KADEX-2016 exhibition.

Channel Help Star: “Derivation-Air Defense” is a promising self-propelled rapid-fire anti-aircraft artillery system, developed taking into account experience in the field of creating guided artillery shells fired from a barrel tank, and short-range anti-aircraft missile systems. The complex is planned to be equipped with a special anti-aircraft missile, which is built according to the guided artillery projectile scheme, is launched from a rifled gun barrel and is guided by a laser beam. The range is from 200 meters to six to eight kilometers. "
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  1. poquello
    poquello 2 June 2016 17: 18
    +14
    interesting option with a barrel from the barrel
    1. Mahmut
      Mahmut 2 June 2016 17: 50
      +5
      And what does the word "derivation" have to do with it - so that no one would guess.
      1. Приговор
        Приговор 2 June 2016 19: 32
        0
        Whoever gets into - that immediately in a wooden box ... wassat
      2. Cat man null
        Cat man null 6 June 2016 13: 24
        0
        Quote: Mahmut
        And what does the word "derivation" have to do with it - so that no one would guess

        The complex is planned to be equipped with a special anti-aircraft missile, which is being built according to the scheme of a guided artillery shell, launched from a rifled gun barrel

        - hence the derivation .. laughing
        - Duc is it still a rocket, or is it a shell nevertheless?
        - how to manage it, if it ...

        I do not understand... request
    2. Oden280
      Oden280 2 June 2016 17: 52
      +3
      This has already happened. In the 90s, the Italians created the "Otomatic" ZSU 76-mm guided projectiles. All the same, it is necessary to supplement with missiles, although from the Shell.
      1. Hammer
        Hammer 3 June 2016 03: 52
        +2
        So no one even says that instead ... It's like a nice addition to the shells, Torahs, Tungusks, etc.

        And most likely, this will not be an independent unit of air defense in the army, but will be included in the standard weapons of all prospective infantry fighting vehicles equipped with this 57mm gun. Apparently, the anti-aircraft defense will really become massive and comprehensive. )))))

        At the European theater of operations, fire support helicopters are apparently doomed to disappear as a class. Well, NATO in any case. )))))
  2. Pirogov
    Pirogov 2 June 2016 17: 19
    0
    Good news, again the flawed howls will begin about the Russian threat!
    1. Persistent
      Persistent 2 June 2016 17: 31
      +7
      I laughed at the attempts of the Anglo-Saxons to pronounce this name "Derivation-Air Defense" !!!! laughing
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 2 June 2016 17: 36
        +2
        Quote: Persistent
        I laughed at the attempts of the Anglo-Saxons to pronounce this name "Derivation-Air Defense" !!!! laughing
        I laugh at the name itself
        Derivation (from the Latin derivatio - abduction, deviation) in military affairs - deviation of the flight path of a bullet or artillery shell
        In this way, we mislead potential friends - don’t be afraid, does this complex not hit the target? laughing
        1. cap
          cap 2 June 2016 17: 46
          +1
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          In this way, we mislead potential friends - don’t be afraid, does this complex not hit the target? laughing


          She doesn’t shoot at all. laughing
          She is only for shooting at sparrows-shot. wassat
  3. Oleg Lavrov
    Oleg Lavrov 2 June 2016 17: 19
    +3
    It seems to me a very promising development !! In real combat conditions, this will be excellent support ... and protection from the Air Force with thermal imagers!
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  4. Neputin
    Neputin 2 June 2016 17: 20
    +4
    Guided anti-aircraft projectile caliber 57 mm? And is this possible with such a small caliber? If so, then great. Can you imagine? In fact, the queue from the machine and everything is on target. Class!
    1. just exp
      just exp 2 June 2016 17: 40
      0
      nothing for the shell. have been designing for a long time. I'm more interested in what
      The complex is planned to be equipped with a special anti-aircraft missile, which is built according to the scheme of a guided artillery shell, is launched from a rifled gun barrel and is guided by a laser beam

      how do they push a rocket into 57mm?
      1. i80186
        i80186 2 June 2016 17: 47
        +2
        Quote: just explo
        how do they push a rocket into 57mm?

        topwar.ru/73238-korporaciya-bae-systems-predstavila-novyy-57-mm-upravlyaemyy-sna


        ryad-orka-mk-295-mod-1.html
        And our in 2008 began to develop the same. In the sense of KBtochmash them. A.E. Nudelman then announced this. smile

        kbtochmash.ru/press-center/articles/articles_26.html
        1. just exp
          just exp 2 June 2016 20: 11
          0
          I know about the projectile. I'm wondering about the ROCKET.
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 2 June 2016 18: 09
      0
      Quote: Neputin
      And is this possible with such a small caliber?

      Our sworn "friends" have long been armed with a 40 mm guided projectile.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 June 2016 17: 21
    +6
    Well, that's really quite something beyond! Mini-missiles from a 57mm barrel! With laser guidance and reach farther than the Willow. If this is not fantasy, then this is a breakthrough. Although laser aiming does not work well in poor atmospheric conditions.
    1. poquello
      poquello 2 June 2016 17: 31
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Well, that's really quite something beyond! Mini-missiles from a 57mm barrel! With laser guidance and reach farther than the Willow. If this is not fantasy, then this is a breakthrough. Although laser aiming does not work well in poor atmospheric conditions.

      another head will not crawl until probably
    2. AlexAl
      AlexAl 2 June 2016 20: 35
      0
      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/С-60
      What surprises you? In 1940, there was a C60 and fired at 6000 at a range of 5000 in height and what is so prohibitive?
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 2 June 2016 21: 05
        0
        Quote: AlexAl
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/С-60
        In 1940 there was C60


        Well, you exaggerate - the S-60 was adopted and put into production in 1950.

        And finally - a funny picture for thought, to all fans of the BMP-shnoy 57mm:


        So think where all the same, this crap will store ammunition, and how you are bred with glamorous little pictures of models, like this one:
        1. AlexAl
          AlexAl 2 June 2016 23: 35
          0
          Are you always sure of your 100% rightness and do not fool yourself? I mean, maybe there are other pictures that are not like yours.
  6. Barakuda
    Barakuda 2 June 2016 17: 21
    -2
    Beautiful car. Here are just a help channel star - stupid.
  7. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 2 June 2016 17: 26
    +1
    A very interesting development .... but as with similar ones in the west ???? I don’t remember anything ....... although there are no analogues of our Tunguska and the Shell even now. they can’t accommodate everything in one car .......
    1. gg.na
      gg.na 2 June 2016 17: 49
      0
      Quote: Volga Cossack
      . although there are no analogues of our Tunguska and the Shell until now. they can’t accommodate everything in one car .......

      And there will be no analogues when and certainly they will not be able to fit everything into one machine! There will not be enough tyam! laughing
    2. psiho117
      psiho117 2 June 2016 19: 38
      0
      Quote: Volga Cossack
      A very interesting development .... but how with something similar in the West ???? I don’t remember anything.

      The worked out corrected shell was already 40 years ago, at the Italian "Otomatik" in caliber 76mm. And they argued that they could repeat the technology up to 35mm caliber - however, with miniaturization, the cost increased by orders of magnitude, and therefore such a rather large caliber was chosen.
      But this is the technological level of the 80s!
      Now in the West they are already experiencing 12,7 correctable ...
      And they produce 35mm and higher, stuffed with cheap civilian components.
      although there are no analogues of our Tunguska and the Shell to this day. they can’t accommodate everything in one car .......

      They can do everything, they suggested back in the 80s on the basis of LAV-25 - the army did not want to, they said that they had enough air force cover.

      So do not think that "they are stupid" is straightforward, no - just according to their doctrine, air defense missions are largely on the shoulders of the Air Force.
      And with planes, as you know, they have everything okay.
  8. kontrobas
    kontrobas 2 June 2016 17: 27
    -1
    Air defense in a controlled version, and not according to the principle of "wore out and forget" - the century before last ...
    1. Monos
      Monos 2 June 2016 17: 41
      +10
      Air defense in a controlled version, and not according to the principle of "wore out and forget" - the century before last ...


      You would first turn on the brain before freezing. In 57 mm, shove the transceiver, antenna complex, stabilization, etc.? Are you a genius? Can you give an example "fire-forget" in such a caliber?
  9. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 2 June 2016 17: 29
    +1
    The first projectile scout; the second spotter; the remaining destroyers.
  10. DMoroz
    DMoroz 2 June 2016 17: 30
    +4
    Derivation is (lat. Derivatio - abduction, abstraction) the formation of new words using affixes or an affixless way.

    The complex is planned to be equipped with a special anti-aircraft missile, which is built according to the scheme of a guided artillery shell, is launched from a rifled gun barrel and is guided by a laser beam. Range - from 200 meters to six to eight kilometers

    In this case, a new word in a small caliber air defense system ... good
  11. JonnyT
    JonnyT 2 June 2016 17: 30
    +1
    and against whom is he ????? how is it integrated into a common air defense system ???
    1. Monos
      Monos 2 June 2016 17: 44
      +7
      Quote: JonnyT
      and against whom is he ????? how is it integrated into a common air defense system ???

      I think - UAV.
  12. avt
    avt 2 June 2016 17: 33
    -3
    laughing laughing ,, You are at the door, they are at the window "Now it is already
    “Derivation-Air Defense” is a promising self-propelled rapid-fire anti-aircraft artillery system, developed taking into account the experience in the creation of guided artillery shells fired from a tank barrel and short-range anti-aircraft missile systems. The complex is planned to be equipped with a special anti-aircraft missile, which is built according to the scheme of a guided artillery projectile, is launched from the rifled barrel of a gun and is guided by a laser beam. The operating range is from 200 meters to six to eight kilometers. "
    Tank Stunners in 57mm bursts - Ahhh! Are you here ??? Why can't I hear the ecstasy of an orgasm from a projectile fired and no longer remotely detonated, but a 57mm projectile piercing Abrams for 12 kilometers and crushing the infantry behind the parapet and in general? wassat
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Well, something absolutely transcendental!

    There is no preceding PR-y when you need to sniff bullshit, which is not taken, just remember the Terminator laughing Another thing is interesting - when they are bursts of 57mm cannon guided missile missiles will be air targets pieces .. Twenty in low-earth orbit shoot down by remote blasting from a telescopic sleeve ??? It's time to rename this module to Death Star
    1. grandson of the hero
      grandson of the hero 2 June 2016 18: 03
      +5
      Well, read the article to the end. And do not expose your brain, limited in analytics and succeeding in stupidity, to the general ridicule.
      1. avt
        avt 2 June 2016 18: 17
        -3
        Quote: Hero's grandson
        Well, read the article to the end. And do not expose your brain, limited in analytics and succeeding in stupidity, to the general ridicule.

        And here’s the tank stunner with broken wet dreams about the device! laughing And I still regretted - in the first post about
        The complex is planned to be equipped with a special anti-aircraft missile, which is built according to the scheme of a guided artillery shell, is launched from a rifled gun barrel and is guided by a laser beam. Range - from 200 meters to six to eight kilometers
        I didn’t want to write anything. laughing
    2. AlexAl
      AlexAl 2 June 2016 18: 49
      +2
      For ATV.
      I’m just waiting for you to choke on your bile.
      Regarding the 57mm projectile - OCD has long been carried out and there are results.
      1. avt
        avt 2 June 2016 19: 23
        -3
        Quote: AlexAl
        I’m just waiting for you to choke on your bile.

        You will not get it .
        Quote: AlexAl
        Regarding the 57mm projectile - OCD has long been carried out and there are results.

        All your bullshit, results "with shells. Already even the pushers of the adored 57mm device have reached
        The complex is planned to be equipped with a special anti-aircraft missile, which is built according to the scheme of a guided artillery shell, is launched from a rifled gun barrel and is guided by a laser beam.
        Start moaning in delight with the ROCKET from the 57mm barrel. And then immediately, as the statements of the creators of the notorious Terminator about guns for him show, switch to "Bakhchu" with a hundred and an ATGM produced from it, and then we'll see. ,, Troichetka "
        1. AlexAl
          AlexAl 2 June 2016 20: 11
          +2
          Essess-no-hell, in comparison with your Bile. I don’t know anything about ROCKET, there is a 57 mm guided projectile, like Kotilov or Krasnopl, but Excalibur is probably closer to you.


          “It’s just - when I didn’t start or didn’t finish” the words of Shipunov - but it’s all x-nya.

          And I do not moan - I WORK Designer!
          1. avt
            avt 2 June 2016 21: 10
            -1
            Quote: AlexAl
            And I do not moan - I WORK Designer!

            Well, if you WORK, then construct something useful and sane according to the formula "cost-efficiency", and not a pig-gun and do not hide behind the Great Ones. I was lucky in my life and the "geniuses" of unrecognized inventors, inventing useful things. For example, those who want to get an inventor's certificate for a frying pan drilled with holes. And when asked why? And it is convenient - I threw the boiled pasta out of the pan, drained the water and you can fry.
            Quote: AlexAl
            And I do not moan - I WORK Designer!
            I didn’t even really notice the Greats as a designer with a capital letter, although their ambitions were sometimes observed over the edge, although one could say in life it was possible to say piece by piece not to watch on TV. So my advice is to wait for you, as Gryazev and Shipunova, others to write with a capital letter. I advise you to distinguish between self-esteem and self-esteem, this is from my personal practice, I had a chance to get it wrong in life - life corrected and God forbid if you fix it hard.
            1. AlexAl
              AlexAl 2 June 2016 21: 44
              +2
              And by the way I WORK that did not cling? I don’t need anyone’s recognition and I don’t count myself with a capital letter. And I’m not hiding behind the words of the great ones - I have such a slogan.

              And the slogan is that everyone you meet is easy, but how to think about it is so difficult, you need to think about it!

              And you don’t need to tell anyone and how to WORK you are our adviser!

              And the Constructor with a capital letter, because at the present time, effective managers on Constructors have been and are holding the country and Russia and Belarus.
              Therefore, not a constructor, but a Constructor.
              Good luck!
  13. Mestny
    Mestny 2 June 2016 17: 35
    -1
    Quote: kontrobas
    Air defense in a controlled version, and not according to the principle of "wore out and forget" - the century before last ...

    Well, that is, the 19th century?
    And if it's no joke, then of course, "fire-forget" is cooler than any other option. The price is just ...
  14. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 2 June 2016 17: 38
    -6
    "Derivation" is a miracle, the troops will have just a "tree" or just a "chock". Developers, ay! Are you offended?
    1. kenig1
      kenig1 2 June 2016 17: 43
      +4
      I think your fantasies of developers do not care.
    2. AlexAl
      AlexAl 2 June 2016 18: 53
      -1
      Someone does not know the Russian language!
  15. Lieutenant Izhe
    Lieutenant Izhe 2 June 2016 17: 43
    0
    I'm being tormented "vague delusions" about the cannon miniMissiles...
    Why the heck to fence a "garobzdyu" with a missile launcher through the trunk! 57mm., If the AREA OF KILLING air targets by the SHELL (with remote detonation) of this "fluff" (with interest) BLOCKS the area of ​​destruction of the projected "racket" again?!?
    Control by laser beam with salt fog and 98% humidity on the sea coast for 6-8 km, with amusing angular target maneuvers ...?
  16. JD1979
    JD1979 2 June 2016 17: 46
    -1
    An air defense system with only an optical channel, an ammunition shell for 80 rounds, and the probability of destruction is somewhere around 45-50% ... Are there any future victims who want to buy this?
  17. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 2 June 2016 17: 47
    +1
    The complex is planned to be equipped with a special anti-aircraft missile, which is built according to the scheme of a guided artillery shell, is launched from a rifled gun barrel and is guided by a laser beam.

    I hope this is another variation on the subject of an anti-aircraft projectile with an adjustable trajectory.

    Because the classic missile in the 57 mm caliber does not make sense. Even the "Needle" has a SAM body diameter of 72 mm. SAM under 57 mm rifled barrel will turn out to be long and thin, like pasta. smile And, I am afraid, it will not succeed in getting her to maneuver with the required overloads (the case will break during maneuvers).
    1. avt
      avt 2 June 2016 17: 55
      -4
      Quote: Alexey RA
      I hope this is another variation on the subject of an anti-aircraft projectile with an adjustable trajectory.

      And do not expect! Well, clearly told by storytellers
      The complex is planned to be equipped with a special anti-aircraft missile, which is built according to the scheme of a guided artillery shell, is launched from a rifled gun barrel and is guided by a laser beam. Range - from 200 meters to six to eight kilometers
      No shells! Only SAM! laughing Yes-ah-ah-ah - fuck 57 mm! wassatIn junk "Bakhchu" with a weaving!
      Quote: Alexey RA
      And make her maneuver with the required overloads,

      What a dumb you are! Although it is controllable, it will fly along the laser beam! And the laser beam is straight wassat it will fly without a zigzag and other maneuvers - directly, controlled by a beam! I say
      Quote: avt
      It's time to rename this module to Death Star

      laughing
      1. AlexAl
        AlexAl 2 June 2016 20: 17
        +1
        So you nichrome do not know about laser beam control methods, and everyone is trying to show their ignorance! Look on the VO site for guidance on guided ATGMs on T72 tanks and beyond, using the sighting station and why not show everyone their technical unemployment with such shoulder straps.
  18. gg.na
    gg.na 2 June 2016 17: 53
    0
    Whoever says anything, and I think that this machine can come in handy. Will it ever happen that we get married or don’t bring the Lord divorced repeat everything will fit on the farm !!!
  19. fa2998
    fa2998 2 June 2016 18: 00
    +1
    Quote: Volga Cossack
    Very interesting development ....

    Launching a missile launcher from the gun’s barrel is certainly good, but when it’s a cal. 100 mm caliber gun. What will be the missile diameter of 55 mm, length is 600-700 mm.-MAXIMUM! What can be accommodated there, there’s h will be pr.500g. negative lol Put on the sides of the tower TPK with NORMAL SAM SAM. And from the gun shoot HE shells with a remote fuse. good hiand you will have military air defense.
  20. Skubudu
    Skubudu 2 June 2016 18: 05
    +2
    What a ... guided missile through a 57mm rifled barrel ...
    Complete nonsense.
    I’m certainly a patriot, but in such a situation ... you believe ....
    1. psiho117
      psiho117 2 June 2016 20: 48
      +1
      Quote: Skubudu
      What guided missile through a 57mm rifled barrel ...
      Complete nonsense.

      No, there are prerequisites - last year BAE Systems showed development for 57mm bofors

      Also laser guided
      True, it is designed to defeat primarily small-sized surface targets, and not highly maneuverable air targets - so one of two things: either the "stupid pendos" lacked intelligence, or the "Petrel" zvizdit again.

      I bow to the second.
  21. Old26
    Old26 2 June 2016 18: 46
    0
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    "Derivation" is a miracle, the troops will have just a "tree" or just a "chock". Developers, ay! Are you offended?

    Quite a rare thing when the name OCD goes to the serial product. In any case, if this product goes into series, the name will still be different. And the fact that this OCD does not mean at all that it will go into the series and into the troops. It’s just that earlier it wasn’t customary to talk about all these research and development work. Now they say
  22. Hey
    Hey 2 June 2016 18: 58
    0
    I guess the work of this complex.
    A shot like a conventional programmed shell, possibly somewhat elongated.
    At a certain distance or at the final site, a rocket is fired, which flies for a certain distance, being guided by the laser beam that illuminates the target.
    The missile’s maneuverability is certainly not great, but I think it’s sufficient to correct the miss angle. A larger miss angle will be offset by the number of simultaneously launched such missiles.
  23. User
    User 2 June 2016 19: 28
    0
    1. The range is less than 10 km - short-range air defense, and not short-range.
    2. Radar equipment is not visible, and the use of a laser is a visual guidance? The smaller the distance to the target, the more difficult it is to accompany it even in automatic mode, not to mention manual. Or someone thinks. that a helicopter or even a plane will hang in the air and wait for a missile to fly into it?
    3. NATO helicopters are equipped with air-to-surface missiles with a range of perhaps even more than 10 km. They can shoot what complexes with impunity. What kind of air defense is this? 30 years ago, maybe yes, but not today.

    The memory can also be used for ground targets, there may be at least some use of the given complex. Naturally, I may not know much, but sitting on my sofa, I see no benefit from it. And without the experience of applying in real conflicts (or at least exercises) I will not change my opinion. Okay, I still understand the memory, but the truncated underestimation. What for?
    1. AlexAl
      AlexAl 2 June 2016 20: 21
      -1
      And they showed and told you so directly. There, with a sikstant, aiming angles, the gunner will enter the CVS in a matter of seconds, even the instruction is already written as.
  24. 31rus2
    31rus2 2 June 2016 20: 20
    0
    Dear, you fell for a mistake, what kind of shells? Ammunition with programmable detonation and that's it. The development is not new, as noted above, but it will also equip "Sosna" missiles, the very thing
    1. AlexAl
      AlexAl 2 June 2016 20: 28
      +3
      http://nevskii-bastion.ru/zak-57-derivation-pvo/
      Well, a bit of information.

      Everyone believes in the measure of their development. Once the earth was flat.


      If someone sees ROCKET in the picture, then he is ROCKET.
  25. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 2 June 2016 23: 40
    0
    Lord! yes, calm down you already, a cool cannon on an infantry fighting vehicle, but there are different shells and rackets too, with application - yes, if necessary wink
    And if without sarcasm - a good tool for military professionals. If possible (MIC), they will find application (MO-RF)
  26. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 4 June 2016 14: 02
    0
    not surprisingly, the replacement of shilok, tungusok has long been outlined. Only the base is weird, such should be put on barberry.
  27. Eugene-Eugene
    Eugene-Eugene 6 June 2016 13: 17
    0
    Links are made to specific content, and not to the general site. In a wooden copy-paste all can. Article minus.