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Ankara: Voting in the Bundestag on the Armenian Genocide Bill is absurd

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Scheduled for Thursday’s vote in the German parliament on the bill recognizing the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire in 1915 g is an absurd, unmotivated exercise, reports RIA News Statement by the Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yıldırım.




“We consider this vote absurd and unmotivated. These events occurred during the First World War ... We know that those who try to blame Turkey do not have good intentions. We openly and clearly declare to the whole world that we have nothing to hide on this issue, may comprehensive studies be conducted. Let the errors of each side be revealed. However, historians must do this. Turn historical topic in the subject of politics, including internal, is fundamentally wrong ”,
Prime Minister told reporters.

He warned that the adoption of the law would adversely affect German-Turkish relations. “It’s certainly, but we don’t want it,” Yıldırım said, expressing hope that “the Bundestag will take into account the opinion of 3,5 of millions of ethnic Turks who have German citizenship.

“But what happens if the decision is taken? Nothing at all. In the past, similar decisions were taken in a number of other countries. For us, this action is not valid. However, we are not yet supporters of a meaningless decision, ”he added.

Recall, for many years Armenia has been insisting on the recognition of the Armenian Genocide in 1915 by the world community. This fact has already been recognized by many states. Also, the World Council of Churches agreed with the phrase “genocide”.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 1 June 2016 15: 59
    +15
    In this case, there are family disassemblies of two American sixes, albeit not the lowest, like Poland and the Baltic states, but disassemblies of corporal sixes ...! laughing

    Well, the Germans recognize what? What is the point - will the Armenians live better or the Turks worse?
    1. just exp
      just exp 1 June 2016 16: 07
      +20
      so yes, but there is one BUT. then the Turks can poke the Armenian Genocide. as the Germans poke the Holocaust.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 1 June 2016 16: 19
        +13
        Quote: Finches
        Well, the Germans recognize what? What is the point - will the Armenians live better or the Turks worse?
        - It's a matter of principle (well, the Turks do not want to be branded as executioners!). Well, since Merkel practically fell under Erdogan because of the refugees, it will be very interesting to expect the actions of the "independent" German parliament. But if Merkel is fed up with the parliament, he can "shoot". We are waiting.
        Yes, the Armenians will be pleased, regardless of their living conditions. They are also a proud and principled nation.
      2. cniza
        cniza 1 June 2016 16: 22
        +8
        Quote: just EXPL
        so yes, but there is one BUT. then the Turks can poke the Armenian Genocide. as the Germans poke the Holocaust.


        For Turkey, it is like an act of humiliation and a reminder of the bloody past, but it was, and Germany was even more terrible.
        1. Chisayna
          Chisayna 1 June 2016 16: 30
          -9
          And then Armenia will snatch submarines from Turkey, for free, for genocide. And there will be a Sevan submarine fleet.
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 1 June 2016 23: 17
            -1
            Quote: Chisain
            And then Armenia will snatch submarines from Turkey, for free, for genocide. And there will be a Sevan submarine fleet.

            But it will be profitable for Turkey, not to cut up the trash that they tried to steal to Ukraine, but to steal the Armenians, let them mess with it.
            1. the finish
              the finish 2 June 2016 07: 50
              0
              One joked, the other seduced.
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      4. svp67
        svp67 1 June 2016 17: 47
        +1
        Quote: just explo
        but there is one BUT.

        It is one, but BIG ...
      5. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 1 June 2016 20: 42
        0
        Quote: just EXPL
        so yes, but there is one BUT. then the Turks can poke the Armenian Genocide. as the Germans poke the Holocaust.

        Of course yes, but much more will flow from this muddy stream.
        3,5 million Turks in Germany were mentioned not just for a nice word. But, the young politician got hold of power, or he saw enough of Erdogan, and the blunders gave: "It is fundamentally wrong to turn a historical theme into a subject of politics, including domestic politics."
        So-so. The question is whose domestic policy is bothering him.
        The Germans are mistaken, of course. But the subject of whose domestic policy is proposed not to pedal? German, yes 3,5 behind me, direct blackmail. Turkish, what does the Germans have to do with their considerations.
    2. kapitan_21
      kapitan_21 1 June 2016 16: 08
      +10
      The Turks do not want to admit their mistakes! They want to rewrite history, as do some of our likely "partners"
    3. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 June 2016 16: 11
      +15
      Quote: Finches
      Well, the Germans recognize what? What is the point - will the Armenians live better or the Turks worse?

      Yes, it’s just that Erdogash is blackmailing the Germans with refugees, the Ottoman’s Germans are blackmailing with genocide, in short, the clan squabbles are simple. yes
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 1 June 2016 18: 14
        +3
        Quote: vovanpain
        Erdogash blackmailing the Germans with refugees, the Ottoman Germans blackmailing with genocide,

        This is perhaps one of the few cases in countries where "the tail rules the dog," but judging by the latest results, Erdogan is still outperforming the EU as a whole.
    4. User
      User 1 June 2016 16: 12
      +5
      Quote: Finches
      In this case, there are family disassemblies of two American sixes ...
      Well, the Germans recognize what? What is the point - will the Armenians live better or the Turks worse?

      Let them quarrel among themselves, this will definitely not make us worse. And the benefit may come.
      In addition, they want to blame the Turks deservedly, in the case, but the truth is always good.
    5. genisis
      genisis 1 June 2016 16: 12
      +29
      Master class professional game in the village idiot.

      “We want to improve relations with you, but we don’t understand what step we should begin with.”
      - Repent. Pay for the plane. Pay the family of the deceased pilot. Find yourself to blame for what happened. Condemn them publicly. Then - sat up and burn.
      “We want to improve relations with you, but we don’t understand what step we should begin with.”
      - For starters - repent. Further on the list.
      “We want to improve relations with you, but we don’t understand what step we should begin with.”
      - OK. Repent. Further...
      “We want to improve relations with you, but we don’t understand what step we should begin with.”
      - Repent ...
      “We want to improve relations with you, but we don’t understand what step we should begin with.”
      - Listen. You already fucked up ...
      “We want to improve relations with you, but we don’t understand what step we should begin with.”
      - Bl.d.
      - This is counterproductive. So, constructive dialogues are not conducted. You are uneducated barbarians. Whether business is we. We who want to improve relations with you, but don’t understand what step we should begin.
      - Go to h.y.
      - Attention - Moscow again demonstrates its bad manners, lack of maturity, anti-humanity and obsession with particulars to the detriment of the main thing.

      - ...
      “We want to improve relations with you, but we don’t understand what step we should begin with.”
      - ...
      - See all - Moscow deliberately avoids wide discussion.
      - What?!!!!!
      - We want to improve relations with you, but we don’t understand what step we should start ...
      ---
      "Turkey wants to restore relations with Russia, but does not understand what the first step is expected from it in Moscow, said Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan."
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 1 June 2016 16: 19
        +10
        If so, it means that the fact is recognized! The Kurdish genocide is still on the way ... The Ottomans have their own time! hi
      2. sgazeev
        sgazeev 2 June 2016 06: 36
        0
        They have the logic of a market bargainer.
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    7. svp67
      svp67 1 June 2016 17: 40
      +1
      Quote: Finches
      What is the point - Armenians will live better or Turks worse?

      I think the second. After that, relations between Turkey and Germany, and here read with the EU, will deteriorate significantly. And for Turkey this is VERY bad. The main thing here is that the EU would have time to create a "Balkan cordon" from emigrants from Turkey, and there is not much left before its completion.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 2 June 2016 04: 41
        0
        Quote: genisis
        Master class of a professional game in a rural fool
        ---
        "Turkey wants to restore relations with Russia, but does not understand what the first step is expected from it in Moscow, said Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan."

        Neighing with pleasure. Unfortunately, many statesmen visited this workshop. As well as members of our government.
  2. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 1 June 2016 16: 05
    +6
    Well, the muzzle of the dude. The grenade launcher in the studio.
    1. kapitan_21
      kapitan_21 1 June 2016 16: 10
      +5
      Such in our market are selling watermelons)) and there is an official !!!!))
  3. Coconut
    Coconut 1 June 2016 16: 06
    +7
    According to the official Ankara, the whole world order is nonsense, and Ottomanism is the solution to all problems ... for them, genocide is
    "suppression" of dissidents ... first the Armenians are now Kurds ... and who is next? Europe ?? .. if this d..ebil is not re-elected, I think everything will end in war am
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 2 June 2016 06: 44
      0
      Quote: Coco
      According to the official Ankara, the whole world order is nonsense, and Ottomanism is the solution to all problems ... for them, genocide is
      "suppression" of dissidents ... first the Armenians are now Kurds ... and who is next? Europe ?? .. if this d..ebil is not re-elected, I think everything will end in war am

      Actually, it is interesting to look at the feud between the two "warlike" nations. Western Germany, not realizing the consequences of the migration of the Turks, planted a bomb with an hour. When this happens, God only knows.
  4. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 1 June 2016 16: 15
    +5
    That's how much I read and look about Turechchina and more and more, sadness gnaws at me, how much and where only we didn’t muddle them, but the straits didn’t conquer, that's where the offense is sadness request crying
    1. reservist
      reservist 1 June 2016 16: 51
      +1
      Quote: Alget87
      ... the straits did not conquer ...

      the Entente in 1915 also failed ...

      Memorial to fallen on Gallipoli Australian and New Zealand soldiers.
  5. soroKING
    soroKING 1 June 2016 16: 16
    +1
    Quote: Coco
    According to the official Ankara, the whole world order is nonsense, and Ottomanism is the solution to all problems ... for them, genocide is
    "suppression" of dissidents ... first the Armenians are now Kurds ... and who is next? Europe ?? .. if this d..ebil is not re-elected, I think everything will end in war am

    will be removed soon ... bully
  6. Igor39
    Igor39 1 June 2016 16: 22
    +2
    It is absurd if, why are the Turks so worried then?
    1. MiRvSeMvDoM
      MiRvSeMvDoM 1 June 2016 18: 36
      +5
      Rummaged in this problem, I will answer. The Germans recognized the Holocaust, as a result, they still pay material compensation to Jews. The Turks do not want this, but they are afraid of another .. if they recognize the genocide of the Armenians, then another territorial claim will follow. And these are the regions of Kas and Ardagan, where the sacred mountain Ararat is located, this mountain is visible from the territory of Armenia. These are the things of the Lord ... hi
  7. MiRvSeMvDoM
    MiRvSeMvDoM 1 June 2016 16: 24
    +4
    The Turks are a cruel people ... You can also remember the Balkans (this was during the Ottoman Empire), what they did there, they cut everyone out sparing no one. And who saved the Balkan peoples from genocide?
  8. CORNET
    CORNET 1 June 2016 16: 27
    +3
    That’s the genocide of Russians, no one poses a question about this in the world, for some reason ... We are responsible for ourselves! And we can stand, not only for the Russian idea ... Forever we save someone, and then we have a knife in the back! Russia's fate is such a see ... And now we will break through! hi
  9. Barakuda
    Barakuda 1 June 2016 16: 32
    +3
    You know, I have plates. only three antennas. .. I watch how they persecute the Aizers, and vice versa, Armenians. Stupidly there are no facts. But all are right. And who is right?
    I am inclined that the Iser and the Turks are wrong. Baku is nervous. I have not studied history. (Only military)
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 1 June 2016 17: 38
      +1
      Quote: Barracuda
      I am inclined that the Iser and the Turks are wrong. Baku is nervous. I have not studied history. (Only military)

      You are absolutely right ...! Russia is very annoyed ... (especially at the expense of the Turks.)
  10. Pitot
    Pitot 1 June 2016 16: 38
    -9
    These are the things of bygone days. In this situation, they are similar to the so-called piskomer.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 2 June 2016 04: 47
      0
      So say those who want to rewrite history in their favor and put everything upside down.
      Such genocide has no statute of limitations.
  11. pigkiller
    pigkiller 1 June 2016 16: 44
    +3
    The question of the occupation of Northern Cyprus is on the way.
    Visit of GDP to Greece as a response to the ostentatious friendship of ukroreih and Turkey.
  12. Obolensky
    Obolensky 1 June 2016 16: 54
    -3
    Here are the modern problems all resolved the same? Yes? There’s nothing more to do. People everywhere live beautifully and there are no refugees, no war. Is there enough medicine everywhere? Everyone is happy, as I understand it. Ugh.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 2 June 2016 04: 48
      0
      Incomplete problems of the past will come to the present.
  13. Fhvty
    Fhvty 1 June 2016 17: 03
    +2
    Yildirim noted, expressing the hope that “the Bundestag will take into account the opinion of 3,5 million ethnic Turks with German citizenship when voting.

    Here he is, not an open blackmail, in the Turkish style. As if the Germans were not afraid.
    But in 2015, Erdogan also blackmailed Putin with the "Turkish stream" when he came to Armenia for the 100th anniversary of the genocide.
    And now Putin pokes Erdogash's face in the k-porridge and says: -Who put it on, huh?
    1. King
      King 1 June 2016 17: 43
      +1
      will take into account and put 1,5 million of them in the oven
  14. certero
    certero 1 June 2016 17: 18
    -13%
    Ted up affairs a hundred years ago - not tired? I read memoirs about the Caucasian front. The Dashnaks did such things there that the Cossacks had to save both the Turks and the Kurds.
    There were no right or guilty parties, there were completely different times and morality as well. If you start touching the past, then let's make the Genoese merchants repent for the trade in Slavic slaves. And even the Crimean Tatars can forget all their claims - for their trips to Russia for prey. How many slaves were sold, according to some reports up to 10 millions.
    We must look into the future.
    1. PKTRL
      PKTRL 1 June 2016 18: 24
      +7
      certero RU Today, 17:18 New

      Ted up affairs a hundred years ago - not tired? I read memoirs about the Caucasian front. The Dashnaks did such things there that the Cossacks had to save both the Turks and the Kurds.
      There were no right or guilty parties, there were completely different times and morality as well. If you start touching the past, then let's make the Genoese merchants repent for the trade in Slavic slaves. And even the Crimean Tatars can forget all their claims - for their trips to Russia for prey. How many slaves were sold, according to some reports up to 10 millions.
      We must look into the future.


      Do things? The murder of women, children, the elderly - these are things !? Confused sweet man ..? There is no statute of limitations for the killings! And the fact that for a century no one from the West recognized the killing of Armenians in their native land, do you consider it normal? By your analogy, you can forget about 27 million. Soviet people destroyed by the Nazis in the Second World War?
      There must always be memory. A future without memory cannot be built! Your philosophy is very liberal: forget the whole past and destroy it, look only into the future. If your parents were looking only to the future, you would have worn you in this world, you are our futurist! hi
    2. sem_juver
      sem_juver 1 June 2016 20: 54
      +4
      The Dashnaks did not kill defenseless women and children, and Turks with Kurds were engaged in genocide in those years, and not only Armenians please recall the Greeks, Assyrians and less numerous Christians of that filthy empire. It is simply beneficial for the Turks to expose all this not as genocide, but as mutual destruction. It is not serious to compare the scale of the crimes of all the Bashibuzuk and Dashnaks there, if any. As a result, there were no Christians in Turkey, and the lands on which the Armenians lived for more than a millennium are now occupied by Turks and Kurds. In general, it is better to read not Turkish or Armenian sources, but third-party historians and contemporaries, then many things become clear.
  15. Orionvit
    Orionvit 1 June 2016 17: 32
    -6
    The issue of genocide is always raised by those who have a stigma in a cannon. How many Russians were destroyed, and the question of genocide never came up. We just remember the story, and do not forget those who are forcibly condemned to death, just because they are Russians. And on occasion, someone else will answer for their crimes, nothing is forgotten. What are the Armenians, the Jews and the rest Azerbaijanis with the Georgians put together, what have they done good for Russia and Russians in particular? Now a howl will rise about the fact that in every nation there are good and bad, and that they say you can not all under one comb. I got this demagoguery. Alone, they are all good, but when they gather more than three, they become creatures. There are nations of creators, these are all crooks, to check go to the local market and look. Where there is real money and goods, that is, where you can cheat, they are all there. We also need to recall how many Russians were slaughtered in the Caucasus in the early 90s, where all the proud Caucasian peoples distinguished themselves.
    1. Fhvty
      Fhvty 1 June 2016 17: 55
      +9
      What are the Armenians, the Jews and the rest Azerbaijanis with the Georgians put together, what have they done good for Russia and Russians in particular?

      But he was not interested in why the Turks slaughtered the Armenians? So the Turks themselves say: for the fact that the Armenians supported Russia in the war and helped the Russian army.
      Alone, they are all good, but when they gather more than three, they become creatures. There are nations of creators, these are all crooks,

      And to show your creature’s essence you don’t even have to do anything, it’s enough that you wrote here. Also me, creator damn it!
      1. reservist
        reservist 1 June 2016 18: 25
        +1
        Quote: Fhvty
        Why did the Turks slaughter the Armenians? So the Turks themselves say: for the fact that the Armenians supported Russia in the war and helped the Russian army

        not only Armenians, but also the rest of the Christians, the same Greeks, were also then cut out ...

        those. If you follow this logic, then that part of the Tatar population that supported the German army should not have been evicted, but destroyed "at the root"?
        1. Fhvty
          Fhvty 1 June 2016 19: 09
          +1
          those. If you follow this logic, then that part of the Tatar population that supported the German army should not have been evicted, but destroyed "at the root"?

          Well, we are talking about Turkish logic ...
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    2. oldzek
      oldzek 1 June 2016 18: 02
      +1
      you contacted them only at the bazaar, and I’m in their countries. and you know there is a difference. But the merchants are ours that are not ours, the SAME. And how rich the rich behave abroad is just awful.
  16. Arkan
    Arkan 1 June 2016 17: 44
    0
    We consider this vote absurd and unmotivated.


    The new vizier has "iron arguments", but what about others? Gay Europeans are still those fruits! The issue of genocide was raised just in time, now we can remind the Turks that they are in the role of asking in the EU, and not vice versa.
  17. PKTRL
    PKTRL 1 June 2016 17: 49
    0
    Quote: kapitan_21
    Such in our market are selling watermelons)) and there is an official !!!!))

    Well ... if voting in the Bundestag is absurd, then why should Yelderme from Cherkizovsky worry ..?! belay Behind the pamdor and melon ... lol
  18. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 June 2016 18: 34
    +4
    I always believed that Mount Ararat is NOT ON THE SIDE OF THE BORDER am
    The Janissaries really got everyone. Erdogash called on Turkish women to give birth without ceasing. How they clapped him! How the eyes of Turkish women burned! Here is a new idea for becoming a GREAT TURAN.
  19. CORNET
    CORNET 1 June 2016 19: 22
    +8
    Armenia is an ancient country and its history is still there ... It has been living on its territory for a long time already ... We in Russia will respect and protect such people!
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 1 June 2016 21: 24
      -9
      Cornet, if God forbid they have something like that, then you give them your address. Let 50-100 Armenian refugees come to you and register at your place.
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 2 June 2016 19: 56
      0
      Armenia is an ancient country and it still has a history ... It has been living on its territory for a long time.
      So let them live. You may not know, but in Ukraine in 2008 in the city of Marganets, there was an uprising. The Armenian diaspora got everyone to such an extent that the city revolted. There were Armenian pogroms, and houses were burned, and people crammed with children in the plantings. And a column of armed Armenians left Dnepropetrovsk in support of their "brothers". Fortunately, that "Berkut" stopped them. But the carnage was avoided. Who is to blame for this? I really saw all this only on the third day, but I have the information firsthand. Troops were brought in, and a curfew was declared, at every intersection a checkpoint. And this is in peacetime. Who knows about it? This is about Kondapoga and other cities, besides the fate of people. Have you ever heard of this? Or in our time of the universal Internet, all people sit on the net, and do not know anything except their interests. And you do not be lazy, and type in the search engine "riots in Manganese 2008". Maybe you will see a little.
  20. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev 1 June 2016 20: 00
    0
    He warned that the adoption of the law would adversely affect German-Turkish relations. “It’s certainly, but we don’t want it,” Yıldırım said, expressing hope that “the Bundestag will take into account the opinion of 3,5 of millions of ethnic Turks who have German citizenship.
    A Turk cleaning cleanrooms in Deutschland will gladly take the side of Yıldırım in order to lose his job, citizenship, livelihood and the burden of getting a deportation kick to the country of origin, where explosions are constantly booming, there is a civil war and it’s a little tense with work.
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 2 June 2016 07: 12
      0
      Yes, they do not clean the toilet bowls, if Erdogad has become a leader from a street vendor, then the Turk is a huckster by nature. The first migrants still worked in factories, the investigation has sharply dropped "German quality". From one fourth to one fifth of the Turks in Germany are ethnic Kurds (approximately 750 people). The largest number of Turks live in the federal state of North Rhine-Westphalia. Their number at the end of 000 was 2002 people, or 868% of the total population of this land, which amounted to 000 people (for comparison, the second largest Turkish population in Germany, Baden-Württemberg, has half the number of Turks). Of these, 4,8 are Turkish citizens and 18 are German citizens. The volume of investments of Turkish entrepreneurs in this land in 076 amounted to 000 billion euros, and an annual turnover of 638 billion euros. At the same time, the number of employees of these enterprises amounted to 000 people, the main areas of their activity: retail trade (230%), food sales (000%), services (2002%), handicrafts (2,4 %), wholesale trade (9,4%), mining (103%), processing industry (000%), so a Pole will be more happy to clean the toilet than a Turk, although Poles and Turks have overestimated self-esteem
      1. Orionvit
        Orionvit 3 June 2016 01: 54
        0
        For my life, I have never seen an Armenian plumber, or an Azerbaijani engineer. Maybe they are somewhere out there in another world, but I have not seen this.
  21. Red Shield
    Red Shield 1 June 2016 21: 31
    0
    Well, the Germans recognize what? What is the point - will the Armenians live better or the Turks worse?
    If Germany recognizes the Armenian genocide at the state level, for the Turks this will be another indicator of how they actually treat it in the main country of the European Union.
  22. lukke
    lukke 1 June 2016 22: 31
    0
    very interesting moment! - some former "arbiters of destinies" of other nations will threaten the finger at other "arbiters"))) squabble members of Nata and, more, you have a cartridge in the clips
  23. Orionvit
    Orionvit 2 June 2016 13: 13
    +1
    On the cons are stuck. "brothers Armenians and Azerbaijanis", but sort it out among yourself, got it. Knowing you, I understand that in any case, Russia will always be to blame. Forgot how the Turks killed you? Few of you were saved in the 19th and 20th centuries, from complete destruction. Forgot? How did they ask to be under the wing of the Moscow Tsar, did they also forget? How many Russian soldiers were killed for the fact that you would exist on earth, have you also forgotten? If it were not for Russia, then such nationalities as Armenians, Azerbaijanis and Georgians would not exist at all. There would be only one Turks. I myself am from the Caucasus, and I know your rotten mentality not by hearsay, and I don’t need to rub in that you are soft and fluffy. Everything. Now you can minus further. Only a request, leave the names, otherwise the anonymous heroes to hell.