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Turkish President Erdogan wanted to improve relations with Russia. Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the German Foreign Minister, suggested thinking about lifting the sanctions on Russia, since no one is interested in destroying the Russian economy. In the Los Angeles Times, they wrote about the need to guarantee the non-expansion of NATO to the Russians, and the Finns lost the information war to the Russians and understood: it’s better not to go.


31 May Recep Tayyip Erdogan said he wants to improve relations with Russia. His words leads "Lenta.ru," with reference to the agency Reuters.

It seems that the Turkish ruler showed some kind of incomprehensibility, because he stated that he did not understand what steps Moscow expected of him. And he said that both countries should work on improving relations.

Further, “neosultan” again referred to his own incompetence, noting that “he does not understand how relations between states were sacrificed because of the“ error ”committed by the pilot.

A little earlier, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told about the desire to defuse tensions with Russia. He was far more intelligent than Erdogan.

His statement published edition "Frankfurter Rundschau".

Apparently, the minister is eager to change the course of Germany towards Russia, since it is not the first time that he speaks in favor of easing sanctions and for dialogue with the Russians. Steinmeier even announced the start of a new phase of cooperation between Germany and the Russian Federation.

Speaking at the German-Russian forum, he noted that sanctions were “not an end in themselves” at all, and Russia's counter-sanctions should not become a means used in order “to put the partner on his knees”.

According to him, “no one is interested in the complete destruction of the Russian economy,” since such destruction certainly will not be a “contribution to strengthening European security.”

However, Steinmeier rejects sanctions very cunning. He believes that they should be applied "intelligently." The politician does not allow the recognition of the "annexation" of the Crimea. And nevertheless, “consistent progress” in the implementation of the Minsk Agreements should be the basis for “phased cancellation of sanctions instruments”.

Steinmeier also spoke out against a “return to NATO philosophy,” which is still being built solely on “enhancing the ability to conduct military operations.”

In addition to Steinmeier, Katharina Barley (General Secretary of the SPD) spoke out for loosening the sanctions, and on behalf of the party: she emphasized that the Social Democrats would like to speak.

Joshua Itskovich-Shifrinson, renowned publicist at Dartmouth College, Assistant Professor at the Bush School of Government (Texas A & M University), in a new article for "Los Angeles Times" spoke about the need to guarantee the Russian non-expansion of NATO.

Western analysts now argue that under Vladimir Putin, Russia is becoming more aggressive and intends to almost seize its neighbors and threaten Europe altogether.

But the leaders in Moscow are talking about something else. For them, Russia is the injured party. They argue that the United States is not in a position to keep its promise about NATO’s non-expansion, made in the 1990 year of the negotiations between the West and the Soviet Union on the unification of Germany.

The West simply denies such an agreement. Nevertheless, the publicist points out, hundreds of notes, minutes of meetings and printouts from the archives of the United States point to it. Putin is “not holy,” but Russia's accusations of aggressiveness are “not quite fair.” Stability in Europe also depends on the West’s readiness to reassure Russia on the issue of the borders of NATO states.

No wonder that Russia was angry. Since the middle of the 1990s, Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, the Baltic countries and others have gained membership in NATO. Boris Yeltsin, Dmitry Medvedev and Gorbachev himself protested through both state and private channels, claiming that the US leaders had violated the non-expansion agreement. Later, the alliance reached further east, began to look towards Ukraine and Georgia.

Therefore, Russia's objections deserve attention. US policy has contributed to the tension in Europe.

Soon the heads of western states will gather in Warsaw for the NATO summit. The discussions will undoubtedly focus on efforts to curb “Russian adventurism” - including another increase in the presence of NATO troops in Eastern Europe and deepening NATO’s ties with Ukraine and Georgia. Such steps will “only strengthen” the Russian opinion about the “duplicity of the United States,” the author believes.

And concludes: just as the promise not to expand NATO in 1990 helped put an end to the Cold War, even today the guarantees of non-expansion of the alliance could help reanimate relations between the US and Russia.

The Russians did not just get angry, as comrade noted. Itskovich Shifrinson, but very angry. The other day, some Finns felt their angry. You could even say that these Finns lost the Russian information war.

On the Finnish theme writes Andrew Higgins in "The New York Times".

Finnish journalist Jessikka Aro, a journalist in Finland, working for the Yle Kioski television and radio company, has had to deal with the Russian info convoys.

She asked the audience to talk about their personal impressions of the activities of the so-called "army of trolls" from Russia. (The journalist Higgins immediately called them "vicious and poisonous" forces leading the network "agitation.")

Of course, Ms. Aro received feedback. But not only from the audience and listeners from Finland, who came across the network with the actions of the "aggressive" spokesmen of the "pro-Russian position", but also from those "poisonous" ones.

According to the publication, against the Jessica began the "evil campaign of retaliation." Higgins is sure that the very experts on defending the "pro-Russian position" led her. These people seemed not to be too shy, verbally attacking and falling asleep to her, and at the same time her television and radio company, with “insults”.

The actions of the “pro-Russian heralds” are so “destructive,” a journalist assures the American public that “NATO and the European Union have even created task forces to combat them.”

In the 2015 year, recalls the newspaper, Mrs. Aro was in St. Petersburg. The purpose of the trip was to investigate the activities of the "factory trolls." Pro-Russian activists in response staged a protest at the office of the company “Yle”, and Aro herself was bombarded with “offensive e-mails”. At the same time, they poured mud on social networks and even accused of drug trafficking. She dedicated a special video on "YouTube". The journalist appeared before the audience in the form of a deranged painted girl.



The article further states that Finland is on the front of the information war. Russians don't want Finland to join NATO. Hence the infoveyna.

A US journalist reports that many insults to Aro came from anonymous authors. Nevertheless, one of her critics did not hide his name. This is Johan Beckman from Finland, a supporter of Putin. He denies the fact that information attacks on Aro were part of the “information war”. On the contrary, the West is waging a campaign against the Russians full of misinformation. And Aro herself participated in this campaign, she made attempts to limit the freedom of speech to those people in Finland who are supporters of Russia. According to Comrade. Beckman, she and they declared "Russian trolls."

Earlier, the same Beckman declared that Mrs. Aro was an “helper of the United States and Baltic special services”. Higgins writes that at about that time they began to call her a "NATO slut."

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Such achievements of Mrs. Aro can hardly be called a victory in the information war. With all due respect to her, we note that the search for truth brought her too far. Of course, today readers of the Military Review will speak about its activities. And they certainly are neither paid agents of the Kremlin nor the notorious “Russian trolls”. They write their reviews for free.

Jessica Aro (and along with her and Recep Tayyip Erdogan) it would be worth learning the wits from Herr Steinmeier. To strengthen friendship between nations, he does much more than the first two. Perhaps, he will even become the person thanks to whom the sanction anti-Russian noose will weaken.
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  1. Berber
    Berber 1 June 2016 09: 25
    +34
    It seems that schizophrenia for Western partners is no longer a diagnosis, but a norm. Only the stage is different.
    1. Sharapov
      Sharapov 1 June 2016 09: 53
      +13
      The article was filled with the rarest quotes of the "neosultan", Herr Stanm and other echoes of common sense. I am sure there are 0,0000 such opinions .... 314% of the total flow of foreign media, saturated with Russophobia. The same neosultan and herr mentioned above come to Russia several times a day.
      So do not be very deceived.
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 1 June 2016 11: 48
        +45
        increasing the presence of NATO troops in Eastern Europe; and deepening NATO ties with Ukraine and Georgia. Such steps “only strengthen” the Russian opinion of “US duplicity,” the author believes.

        My opinion - I believe that along the perimeter of the borders of Russia there can be no NATO member countries at all. So that would not be contrary to our security. Your freedom ends where the freedom of another begins. Throughout recent history, Russia has made no concessions without neglecting its own security. But we all hoped the west was good.

        Conversations about the fact that there - Poland, Ukraine, Georgia - have the right to choose something themselves - bullshit. No one has ever asked them, and the most interesting thing is that they won’t ask (and even if I’m slightly not tolerant). The United States never asks anyone. You can make the appearance of free choice, but no more.

        The fact that along the perimeter of our borders and near our borders is the sphere of our strategic interests. And in the near future Russia will have to act precisely on US tactics, as it is not cynical. Overthrow non-loyal regimes, establish their own government and ensure its security. This is how any model works - of any state that calls itself a power. The only question is opportunities.

        Whether we like it or not, but in Ukraine, the degree of Russophobic sentiment is already going wild, and one day we will have to solve the issue of the Bandera regime. And probably a revolver and a kind word.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 1 June 2016 16: 15
          0
          Vladislav

          As you said?

          "Your freedom ends where the freedom of another ends."

          Is logical. She’s moral, the reptile will not let you lie.

          That's just Comrade Itsikovich understands what is the matter. Assistant to some professor. It is a pity that the professor himself is not a wolf. Well, let's hope that Comrade Itsikovich will one day become the president of the United States, or at least an adviser.

          That is remembered in history was a very wise ruler. I.V. Stalin. He sent experienced managers to penal servitude of the year by 3. And the most interesting thing was how he behaved with care. None of his subordinates knew who would be next. But Comrade Stalin's greed knew no bounds. He had the audacity of hard-labor officials to rehabilitate and return them back to their jobs so that they could pass on their experience. Gave a good salary of 3 x the salary of a cleaning lady. The cleaning ladies made good money. And life in the country went up sharply.

          So here, wise thoughts are only with Comrade Itsikovich. Well, of course, the assistant’s salary is small, but I’d like to live. Yes, there is also a nuclear war on the nose. The meaning of life must be corrected again.

          Ehh how everything is simple in the world. Moral, the thing is rude. Want to lie, will not. You’ll get it in the teeth.
          1. Alena Frolovna
            Alena Frolovna 1 June 2016 21: 02
            +9
            It seems that schizophrenia for Western partners is no longer a diagnosis, but a norm.


            ISLAND

            We live on the continent
            And they are on the islands.
            We stand on a pedestal.
            They shake on the waves.
            Then it pulls into the fog,
            Something else somewhere.
            And the islanders in the water
            First on the neck, then on the chest.
            And we have to the horizon
            The earth is firm under the foot.
            And the robinsons dream
            To us ... And to us - what the hell?
            Meanwhile, under the guise of NATO
            Jumping and jumping
            Boarding Pirates
            Climb to us on the mainland.
            Wanted the life of the master,
            So that we are like a monument!
            And they want to make money
            Eurasian continent.
            They know, in fact,
            Everyone knows, including:
            Who owns Eurasia
            That master on Earth.
            So they climb not once
            To us on the land of the island:
            That is America, an infection,
            That is the English brotherhood.
            But until now on the planet
            Deserved rights
            We live on the continent
            And they are on the islands.
            We don’t take off the navel of the Earth,
            Understanding what's what:
            In this world we are eurasim
            And ready for anything.
            Leonid Kornilov
          2. KaPToC
            KaPToC 1 June 2016 22: 23
            +1
            Your freedom ends where the freedom of another begins.
        2. Victor Demchenko
          Victor Demchenko 1 June 2016 20: 23
          0
          Of course, you can achieve a lot with a kind word, but with a gun it’s fashionable to achieve more. hi
      2. Cresta999
        Cresta999 1 June 2016 13: 54
        +5
        Flatter yourself? Yes, we should be happy !!! Is there at least one reason why we should want the lifting of sanctions ?!
      3. Vasiliev Yu
        Vasiliev Yu 4 June 2016 00: 50
        0
        Quote: Sharapov
        The article was filled with the rarest quotes of the "neosultan", Herr Stanm and other echoes of common sense. I am sure there are 0,0000 such opinions .... 314% of the total flow of foreign media, saturated with Russophobia. The same neosultan and herr mentioned above come to Russia several times a day.
        So do not be very deceived.

        That's for sure, because of similar thoughts he just stupidly diagonally looked through this article. There is no point in discussing something here.
    2. megafair
      megafair 1 June 2016 09: 55
      +4
      Quote: BerBer
      It seems that schizophrenia for Western partners is no longer a diagnosis, but a norm. Only the stage is different.

      This is the Overton window in action.
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 1 June 2016 10: 25
        +22
        "Russian counter-sanctions should not become a means used to bring a partner to his knees."

        Everything is corny - losses. The most vulnerable spot is the wallet.
        In other words, Russia can be spoiled, but counter-sanctions are prohibitive.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 1 June 2016 12: 24
          +9
          Quote: Reserve officer
          Everything is corny - losses.

          ... the true picture of the state of the economy and the banking system of the Eurogroup now ... can be estimated by this action:
          Moody's has downgraded the ratings of Deutsche Bank for the second time this year due to the growing problems of the largest German bank in connection with the implementation of the anti-crisis plan, reports the correspondent of Banki.ru in Brussels.
          Moody's downgraded the bank's long-term deposit rating from A3 to A2, senior unsecured debt rating from Baa1 to Baa2 (two steps to the garbage level) Deutsche Bank's short-term ratings and short-term counterparty risk ratings were also downgraded to Prime-2 from Prime-1 and to Prime-2 (CR) from Prime-1 (CR), respectively.
          Last fall, the bank adopted a five-year plan aimed at increasing the profits of a financial institution and strengthening capital after many years of low profitability and high legal costs. The plan provides for the reduction of 9 thousand jobs, curtailment of business in 10 countriescost reduction. Sources:
          http://www.banki.ru/news/lenta/?id=8937554
          https://www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-downgrades-Deutsche-Banks-ratings
          ...
          ... here is such a victory with the isolation of Russia and in the sanctions war ... hi ... but you should not feel illusions about the long-term policy of the European Union and the mattress ... they just now need a regrouping ... all the latest events are talking about this and that ... an attempt to jump out of control sanctions through the development of regional economic relations, remember Bavaria's tumultuous activities on this front at the beginning of the year ... ah, politics ?! ... she will remain the same, they will continue to tell us what kind of aggressive Russian barbarians we are, although from my point of view, I see nothing bad in returning what Sweden had paid gold to Peter the Great for wink and will teach life on the basis of "democratic European and European values" and continue to try to start another turmoil / revolution in Russia, while they do not care whose slogans and flags it will be red or brown or white ... the main result is the collapse of Russia ... that's where it's so simple ... hi
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 1 June 2016 13: 33
            +6
            Quote: Inok10
            Moody's has downgraded the ratings of Deutsche Bank for the second time this year due to the growing problems of the largest German bank in connection with the implementation of the anti-crisis plan, reports the correspondent of Banki.ru in Brussels.

            laughing All these agencies are tame, as soon as the EU is forced to join the transatlantic trade union, they will immediately draw what ratings are needed. In the meantime, systematic attempts are underway to push TTIP and sooner or later they will sell if there are no serious changes in the EU’s structure itself and the change of power of the burghers, the frog-gogom and the log-boom.
        2. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 1 June 2016 14: 19
          +4
          Erdogan said he did not understand what steps Moscow expected from him.
          What is incomprehensible here? One step from the balcony will immediately solve all problems .....
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 1 June 2016 14: 56
      +3
      Only the vanquished kneel down and nothing to shag the tank laughing
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 June 2016 09: 30
    +12
    German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier proposed to consider lifting the sanctions against Russia,

    The weather vane spins less in the wind than this F.V. How many times has he said the opposite! Campaign, he already does not respect himself! laughing
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 1 June 2016 10: 07
      +11
      Quote: aszzz888
      The weather vane spins less in the wind than this F.V. How many times has he said the opposite! Campaign, he already does not respect himself!

      Respect, only ... it is necessary to please the United States and its businessmen! Yes, even to support Merkel, otherwise "the throne staggered", so it will not take long to fly into the trash can. In short, as in that saying "eat a fish and ..." then you know. wassat
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 1 June 2016 16: 33
        0
        Egoza

        The problem is that these "thrones" also need to be supported. But here, too, the question is blunt, to what extent to support?

        If you recall, the last king began that war. Due to moral considerations. Which grew into the first world.

        There is such a thing. It is necessary to conduct a dialogue, to develop mutual understanding.

        The USSR and Russia have already done a lot and promoting systems for developing a unified moral of survival. But man lives 70 years. Experience does not pass. History is being changed. Wisdom is not enough.

        There will still be a real security system. Yes, here it’s damn capitalism, which cannot move to a new qualitative level and is constantly rocking the situation.
    2. Kasym
      Kasym 1 June 2016 10: 47
      +15
      Cold War propaganda doesn't work. Now all media, especially virtual ones, cannot be controlled, especially since there is no iron curtain and people are free to move and communicate. It doesn’t work out with Evil Ivan.
      It has long been clear that the EU leaders will not sit in their offices for long. The White House will have to "spud" new leaders. But it seems that the likes of Marie Lee Peng or "Alternative Germany" cannot be easily stopped. Even Arabs are queuing up to meet with VVP. A "riot on a ship" seems inevitable. There is already a problem in Austria. The US policy is bursting at the seams and the duct tape is definitely not enough.
      After the terrorist attacks, the French and Belgians understood that their leaders made an obvious show about the ATO, but Moscow has obvious positive results. Moreover, the Russian Federation already has one victory over terror in its own Caucasus (although there are still echoes) - for some reason this fact is hushed up in the West by the media, but the same Europeans, ordinary people, remember and know this. It seems to me that the diplomats and the authorities of the Russian Federation, the Russian media should talk and voice more about this. So who will lead the fight against terror in the world? Yankees & Co. have no accomplishments on this front. After September 11, it only got worse (I'm afraid the bearded men won't miss the European Championship). And why, even on Ros.TV, in disputes with foreign political scientists, no one talks about this? Who are they to indicate what and how to do; what merits do they have, who created this chaos and who is now putting things in order? That Stahnmeier and Kerry nevertheless understand - from this such sometimes diametrically opposite statements. If they were true, they would not toil between Moscow and Washington, would not ask for telephone conversations. Sometimes the endurance and politeness of VVP and Co. is surprising - I would have sent these "negotiators" (both in Syria and in Ukraine) long ago - they only smile (apparently they figured everything out a long time ago - "we are ready for any scenario" VVP). hi
  3. tsvetkov1274
    tsvetkov1274 1 June 2016 09: 32
    +2
    Yeah ... at first they expanded - there is simply nowhere else, now again "guarantees" about not expanding expansion ... request
  4. Alexez
    Alexez 1 June 2016 09: 34
    +5
    According to him, “no one is interested in the complete destruction of the Russian economy,” since such destruction certainly will not be a “contribution to strengthening European security.”

    I wonder what degree of destruction of the Russian economy will satisfy Mr. Steinmeier? This hero is cunning - you can’t believe him!
    1. 97110
      97110 1 June 2016 10: 10
      +6
      Quote: Alexez
      This hero is cunning

      Why is this a hero? On the door of the OO in Deutschland, instead of M they write "Herren". So do not distort the German language for reasons of strange political correctness. Herr - he is herr. (The name of the Russian letter X is not allowed by moderation. With regard to herren, this is not politically correct?)
      1. Alexez
        Alexez 1 June 2016 11: 43
        +2
        I first wrote with the letter "X", but in this version the word in the message disappeared)))
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 2 June 2016 01: 15
        +1
        The 8th letter of the Latin alphabet in English and, for example, Danish is pronounced as "X", but in Latin (as well as German, Polish, Czech) it is read as "fricative ("Ukrainian") g"and into Russian traditionally transliterated as "g" (for example, when transliterating Ukrainian surnames, Poles transmit their "g" exactly as h - remember the dill-and-n-dos judge Pohorelski, who arrested Borodin? Similarly, Czechs pronounce "g" in the same way as Ukrainians - and in Czech the letter "g" is found only in borrowed words, and in Czech they write exactly h) Although there are quite a few exceptions: "hende hoh" and, even funnier - in one phrase, where both words are read from the same letter, Heil is transliterated as Хayl, but Hitler - still Гitler!
  5. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 1 June 2016 09: 37
    +4
    Turkish President Erdogan wanted to improve relations with Russia. Frank-Walter Steinmeier, the German Foreign Minister, suggested thinking about lifting the sanctions on Russia, since no one is interested in destroying the Russian economy. In the Los Angeles Times, they wrote about the need to guarantee the non-expansion of NATO to the Russians, and the Finns lost the information war to the Russians and understood: it’s better not to go.
    I would like to address all of the above, the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich, which he uttered at the UN: "Do you at least understand what you have done?"
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 1 June 2016 17: 15
      +1
      Larz

      You, I see also very much respect GDP ?. By the way, ordinary citizens of the countries of the golden billion respect GDP more than citizens of the Russian Federation. Although of course the GDP has 88% percent confidence. But no one considered the percentage of confidence in GDP among citizens of other countries, especially among those of the golden billion. But it was a word.

      And morality is as follows.

      If you want to find a common language with someone, first of all decide on a person’s value system. Understand why this person lives. How does he survive.

      Under capitalism, the percentage of rich people is very small. That's why he and capitalism, in order to reduce the percentage of the rich, through the impoverishment of others. But the problem is that for these destitute, how they live just the responsibility of this minuscule of the rich.

      Can they do it well? Of course not. Your problems are not of interest to them.

      So we live all the time with a broken trough.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 1 June 2016 18: 56
        +1
        Here I sit and watch.

        Neither minuses nor pluses come up for "suck up to Putin."

        This is bad. The sneak is not counted. Liza deeper.

        Look.

        Vladimir Vladimirovich went to some monastery, someone told me this morning, to Athos, supposedly the coolest one. There the monks closed and morality was observed. Solemnly, the gold icons, the monks cheeks swelled. Here is the GDP modestly. And what does he think at the same time.

        And he thinks the following.

        Why the hell do I need all this? I have everything, money, fame ... Why do I go to work every time? Watch and you listen to the ministers who create automobile laws and do not drive a car. To hold such a good choking. But no, the public will not allow it. And who form the opinion of this public? Yes, these are the ministers who create such laws.

        And the GDP goes to work and pulls its strap. But because it can not be otherwise. Because if not he then who? Because it is MORALITY. And which of them is holier? GDP or is it a herd of monks?

        Nothing Vladimir Vladimirovich, do what you need .... Many people understand this.
        1. pts-m
          pts-m 2 June 2016 05: 35
          0
          All is correct. The owner in the state should be Alone, and not a whole mosquito of lizoblyudov at court.
  6. wandlitz
    wandlitz 1 June 2016 09: 41
    +9
    Joshua Itskovich-Shifrinson, a well-known publicist, an employee of Dartmouth College, an assistant professor at the Bush School of Government (Texas A & M University), spoke in a new article for the Los Angeles Times about the need to guarantee Russian non-expansion of NATO.
    It is necessary to think so, NATO promises not to expand to the East through the state border of RUSSIA ???
    1. Karasik
      Karasik 1 June 2016 09: 50
      +2
      Quote: wandlitz
      ... the need to guarantee Russian non-expansion of NATO.

      Right! It's time to start guaranteeing a sharp narrowing of NATO!
  7. Patriot 771
    Patriot 771 1 June 2016 09: 50
    +6
    I agree. Only here is one thing I cannot understand - the goal is clear, the means are defined and identified, but then what? History fits into patterns, patterns in turn give rise to a model of behavior, thinking - BEING. Not so long ago (100 years ago) it all ended in wars in the interval of 40 years in Europe. Those events differ fundamentally only by the speed of information dissemination (in fact, by the lack of speed). This is what contributed to the not-so-noticeable advance of troops, echelons, etc. In our time, this will not happen (unless in Finland, which slept through the entrance of the allies, although the allies enter by invitation). So - are they all there, have become immortals or hope for Odin that he will wipe us off the face of the earth? It is not true, One normal, not dill, not an Amer, not a half-witted god, he has been protecting them for centuries (words of my colleague from Denmark). It turns out that he turned his back on his flock because it deprives them of their mind. Is it possible that when all this buffoonery is over, and it cannot but end, we will have to take care of millions of "blessed"? Guys let's be friends!!!
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 1 June 2016 19: 21
      0
      Patriot 771

      It’s good that you remembered Genesis.

      Lenin, using philosophy, turned the world inside out, shook it and restored it clean. He knew V.I. how to bring philosophy into applied channel.

      Come on, morality is primary. Primary morality is selfish, but the general is already collective. The key to success in the formation of morality.
  8. Denis DV
    Denis DV 1 June 2016 09: 54
    +2
    Finnish anti-fascists work laughing laughing laughing
  9. Artemka
    Artemka 1 June 2016 09: 56
    +5
    I won’t be surprised that in the future Barak Kharitonych, Recep Taishech, Angelka, etc. give an order for the strengthening of Russia! If not for them, we would not have remembered that we have our own agriculture, our own light and heavy engineering! Malodtsi! Suppose that not everything is working out now, there are a lot of mistakes and excesses, but the one who does not do anything is not mistaken!
    1. Karasik
      Karasik 1 June 2016 10: 03
      +3
      Quote: Artemka
      I won’t be surprised that in the future Barak Kharitonych, Recep Taishech, Angelka, etc. give an order for the strengthening of Russia! If not for them, we would not have remembered that we have our own agriculture, our own light and heavy engineering! Malodtsi! Suppose that not everything is working out now, there are a lot of mistakes and excesses, but the one who does not do anything is not mistaken!

      Well, still give "ordin" for the high level of grammar among the population. wink
      1. Artemka
        Artemka 1 June 2016 10: 10
        +2
        I repent, sinful! crying
  10. Denis DV
    Denis DV 1 June 2016 09: 57
    +2
    Of course, Ms. Aro received feedback. But not only from the audience and listeners from Finland, who came across the network with the actions of the "aggressive" spokesmen of the "pro-Russian position", but also from those "poisonous" ones.


    Blonde Day was yesterday laughing
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 June 2016 10: 01
    +8
    For one generation we were definitely vaccinated against Eurofilia. And after he himself traveled, talked, worked with the Europeans ... Ours are better. And I have such a distinct feeling that in Europe, apart from the frostbitten Poles and the accompanying Poles and a small part of Svidomo, no one will fight with us does not want and will not. They ran out of fuse. No wonder ALL of Europe amicably, without resistance, fell under the German. And the Germans, after the defeat, also lost their gene pool, and are not distinguished by their "passionarity." They cannot be "shaken" even on Muslim migrants.
    1. Karasik
      Karasik 1 June 2016 10: 09
      +8
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      No wonder ALL Europe together, without resistance, lay under the German.

      Well, why without resistance? Some countries resisted HOURS! wassat For example, Denmark - 6 hours!
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 1 June 2016 12: 03
        +3
        Quote: Karasik
        For example, Denmark - 6 hours!

        France declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939. On May 10, 1940, German troops crossed the border of the Netherlands and Belgium. On June 8, German troops reached the Seine River. On June 24, 1940, France surrendered to Germany.
        That’s the whole war. And the troops, both in numbers and in armament, were comparable.
  12. newcomer
    newcomer 1 June 2016 10: 03
    +5
    I don’t believe either Steinchik, nor the arch, nor the fart.
  13. mihasik
    mihasik 1 June 2016 10: 04
    +9
    And what are our political technologists shy of?
    As soon as the United States breaks up into 50 separate, independent, democratic and free SAGs, NATO disappears like morning fog. Freedom to the American people! Give the Yeltsin revolution in the United States! laughing
  14. kit_bellew
    kit_bellew 1 June 2016 10: 05
    +5
    Quote: Patriot-771
    Is it possible that when all this buffoonery is over, and it cannot but end, we will have to take care of millions of "blessed"?

    The buffoonery will end anyway. But the likelihood that everyone will live really friendlyfar below the likelihood of a nuclear or environmental disaster. Today, it’s not even Russia that pushes toward such scenarios - the modern world economy and politicians dancing to its tune.
  15. newcomer
    newcomer 1 June 2016 10: 06
    +7
    but ordinary Finns certainly pleased, at least someone has no worms in their head.
  16. shcishcok
    shcishcok 1 June 2016 10: 15
    +15
    Ladies and gentlemen, journalists, stop talking about whether the West will lift the sanctions or not. We are completely purple to lift the sanctions or not. You are escalating the situation yourself - one said "they will cancel", another said "they will not cancel", the third said "they will partially cancel". Independently !! What difference does it make to us when they decide to cancel? Cancellation - good, not canceled - thank God. Don't be hysterical about this. The government said that the issue of sanctions is not on the agenda of work issues. That is, we absolutely do not give a damn when they decide to cancel or introduce additional ones. It will be better if the media do not touch on this topic at all, well, the citizens of our country are not interested when the sanctions are lifted. Now, if this topic disappears from the news feeds of the media, the West will immediately become agitated - and what is it? we are trying here, but they are not interested! Then the result will be.
    1. rusmat73
      rusmat73 1 June 2016 10: 46
      +5
      SUPPORT! good about the sanctions in the media at least information! and for the sanctions to remain - I think most of the inhabitants of our homeland are only FOR !!! there is a huge reason to "score" for the whole west and the USA bully and let them spin as they want! and whoever wants to work with Russia, let them come to us and get citizenship and work for themselves and for the benefit of our common Motherland with them! My personal opinion. hi
      1. Artemka
        Artemka 1 June 2016 16: 01
        0
        Give Russian citizenship to the world! laughing And then, probably, they will shout at Alpha-centaur. Russians are coming !!! wassat
    2. asher
      asher 1 June 2016 17: 01
      +3
      The main thing is that the counter-sanctions of Russia remain for centuries, regardless of what they decide with sanctions!
    3. Camel
      Camel 1 June 2016 21: 54
      +2
      Moreover, the "lifting of sanctions" by the West against Russia will in no way lead to an improvement (or restoration of past achievements in the Western economy). In this issue, the important point is not that the West imposed sanctions, but that Russia, in response, imposed counter-sanctions (a food embargo, for example). And it is precisely the abolition of the embargo that the West is seeking - they, you see, have lost the sales market. Well, now they will NOT find it - a warm place is taken.
      And here's another thing, I wonder, who told them that after the lifting of "Western sanctions" on Russia, there will be an automatic cancellation of food barriers? RosSelHozNadzor seems to be in effect, RosPotrebNadzor too, and the Chief Sanitary Doctor of the Russian Federation is like another superweapon. am
      There will be no reason to simply ban the import of food - they will find some harmful bacterium or something else not kosher laughing
  17. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 1 June 2016 10: 23
    +2
    It may already be enough to pay, and even more so to focus on the squeals and yapping of all kinds of gayropic shackodyavki!?!
  18. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 1 June 2016 10: 31
    +3
    Yes, even if these sanctions are not lifted.
  19. Arkan
    Arkan 1 June 2016 10: 36
    +2
    All these conversations from people from the opposing camp show the right direction chosen by our government. The countermeasures undertaken by the Russian Federation are effective, if the counter-sanctions are strengthened, we can say with full confidence that the "songs" that the West is now singing will turn into crying.
  20. Irbis77
    Irbis77 1 June 2016 10: 40
    +5
    The following phrase infuriates me *** According to him, “no one is interested in the complete destruction of the Russian economy,” since such a destruction would certainly not be “a contribution to strengthening European security.” *** The interest of Western partners in not completely destroying the economy is therefore text quite satisfied with the West ???? but they would not go on .... !!!!!!
  21. Sergey
    Sergey 1 June 2016 11: 13
    +3
    Politicians do not admit recognition of the “annexation” of Crimea.
    It is good that annexation is not allowed ...
    V.V. Putin is great. Revenge is a cold dish. It's nice to see "Needles" from the Kurds ... So R. Erdogan's brains were corrected ...
  22. satris
    satris 1 June 2016 11: 21
    +1
    Well, if she really is a "NATO whore", how else can you call her? One can only agree with this definition.
  23. weksha50
    weksha50 1 June 2016 11: 39
    +5
    "Jessica Aro (and with her and Recep Tayyip Erdogan) worth learning from Herr Steinmeier. To strengthen friendship between nations, he does much more than the first two... Perhaps he will even become the person thanks to whom the sanctions anti-Russian noose will weaken "...

    Um ... I would not agree with this argument ...

    Steinmeier is not an exalted sultan in politics, and plays wisely both yours and ours ...
    However, the evil grin remains ... How else to understand this: he seems to be against continuing sanctions against Russia, but he also immediately sets the conditions for the non-recognition of the annexation of Crimea and the mandatory implementation by Russia (!!!) of the Minsk agreements ...

    And why is he bashfully silent about the fact that Germany is one of the main guarantors-signatories of these agreements ??? What, again, Russia is around and one is to blame ???

    Well, as for the lifting of sanctions ... German business in Russia has suffered losses for the second year ... Businessmen and entrepreneurs are not sleeping, they are bugging this Steinmeier and this Merkel ... So altruism towards Russia does not smell here .. .

    So, as he was an enemy of Russia, he remained, and one should not particularly listen to his inflections ...
  24. udincev
    udincev 1 June 2016 11: 49
    +2
    The trend looms like this:
    One notorious gunner prefers to be considered a pilot.
    Another misunderstood
    the Turkish ruler showed some lack of understanding, for he stated that he did not understand what steps Moscow expected from him
    in an oriental way, he also hints at his mistake at the pilot ...
    Is there any connection in the manifested love of heaven with the beautiful actions of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria ... smile
  25. EvgNik
    EvgNik 1 June 2016 11: 50
    +5
    worth learning from Herr Steinmeier.

    Here I do not agree with Oleg Chuvakin. I don’t see much intelligence or reason. Who does not fulfill the Minsk agreements? Kiev. Do you think Steinmeier does not see this and does not know? He knows very well. Once again, he showed a fig. And someone was delighted: Oh, how smart he is, rational. Let's learn from him.
  26. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 1 June 2016 12: 00
    +2
    I don’t understand why the author omits Putin’s statement of May 28, because he is the first, again raised the topic of relations between Russia and Turkey. And Erdogan after 3 days, in fact, answered
    President Vladimir Putin said that Russia wants to resume relations with Turkey and is waiting for concrete steps by Ankara in this direction, but so far they are not. According to him, "we didn’t think that the Turkish fighter could strike at our bomber, which is unprotected for the fighter." “We were not going to fight with Turkey and the Turkish armed forces. Otherwise, we would act differently and by other means. I hope it never comes to this, ”Putin said during his visit to Greece.
    “When Erdogan had a normal dialogue with Putin, the West behaved more carefully towards Turkey”
    The head of state added that “we heard the explanations of the Turkish authorities, we did not hear an apology. And they did not hear the readiness to repair the damage. " “We hear statements about the desire to renew (the relationship). We also want to renew relations. We did not destroy them. We have done everything to bring Russian-Turkish relations to an unprecedented level of partnership and friendship for decades. And this friendship between the Russian and Turkish people, it really reached a very large level. We treasured this very much. Why this was done, I still can’t put my mind to it, ”the Russian president added.
    The author, however, turns out that this is all again Erdogan rushing about
  27. 31rus2
    31rus2 1 June 2016 12: 04
    +3
    dear, that early on you started playing fanfare, somehow you forgot about a small detail this is the USA, and on this "all quiet front", while politicians in the EU are looking for opportunities for rapprochement with Russia, the USA is confidently moving towards our borders and the same Germans ready to provide a battalion to protect the Baltic states, so gentlemen, first things first, and then we can discuss it, in general, the very issue of lifting sanctions with some kind of linkages is not subject to consideration by Russia, so you go to the forest
  28. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 1 June 2016 12: 20
    +8
    About Finland. I went there last week on business. I visited a gathering of historians studying the "Salpa line" (everyone knows about the "Mannerheim line", but few people know about the "Salpa line"), and so the Finns just howl from their own sanctions. The Russians have now stopped visiting them almost entirely. Their entire business, which was actually "sharpened" for Russia, is gradually "bent", but in fact it has almost "bent". Moreover, not only what is connected with tourism and trade, but also with production - ours began to produce themselves a lot of what they used to buy in Finland. Finns are pragmatists and they are already really expressing their dissatisfaction with the fact that following in the channel of the notorious "European solidarity" they are rapidly losing their positions as an important trading partner of Russia, losing income and jobs, receiving nothing in return from the EU, fodder of a benevolent pat on the shoulder and expanded quotas for the accommodation of "refugees" from the Middle East. Even those of the "stoned" "Russian-haters" who used to shout at all corners about the dominance of Russians in Helsinki and other cities, now apologize and ask the Russians to return back as their place was filled by the so-called "refugees" from the Middle East who are more Passionate, zaserayut cities where they are located and only demand and demand without giving anything in return. Passing Lappeenranta I saw a poster on the side of the road: "Russians come back!"
    1. Parsec
      Parsec 1 June 2016 14: 59
      +5
      The average salary in Finland is 3 euros,
      The average pension is 1 euros.

      Let them cry.
  29. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 1 June 2016 12: 21
    +3
    All these movements have ultimately the goal of obtaining concessions and a change of position from us. Save us from sin, start trading principles. There are things that are not for sale and from which they are not giving up.
    1. GIS
      GIS 2 June 2016 05: 45
      +1
      this is Kudrin, and others I’ll shoot in the head.
  30. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 1 June 2016 12: 43
    +2
    Well, for someone who is wearing a helmet, it is explained again ... Russian Presidential Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov explained what steps Moscow expects from Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan to establish relations between the two countries. On Wednesday, June 1, reports the correspondent "Lenti.ru."
    “It is necessary to recall the statement of the president of our country and the explanations that were given at various levels. It was the president who, several days after the murder of our pilots, said that after such aggressive and treacherous actions, the Russian side expects an apology, an explanation of what happened, payment of compensation for the plane and the family of the deceased pilot, ”Peskov listed.https: //lenta.ru/news / 2016/06/01 / peskov_turkey /
  31. unsinkable
    unsinkable 1 June 2016 13: 24
    +1
    All of their calls for easing the sanctions of the Stannmeier fable and others like him in order to lull our vigilance. Let us recall the Swordman who just fell asleep from the promises of the West. We see today what came of this. He needs time to consider the following dirty tricks of pressure on Russia.
  32. mamont5
    mamont5 1 June 2016 14: 00
    0
    "The" neosultan "again referred to his own lack of understanding, noting that" he does not understand how relations between states were sacrificed because of the "mistake" made by the pilot. "

    What pilot does he mean? Our or Turkish?
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 1 June 2016 14: 46
      +3
      He means exactly "our" pilot. A few months after the downing of our plane, when our sanctions began to take effect, the Turks probed the soil in our diplomatic mission in the sense that the conflict needs to be extinguished because it is not beneficial to us or the Turks, but for this we, that is, Russia, must to admit that it was our plane that crossed the Turkish border "by mistake" and therefore was shot down, there can be no other interpretation. And now Erdogan insists on this version.
      1. Bramb
        Bramb 1 June 2016 16: 02
        +1
        Late!
        Turk was given three days and then another three days to do three quite adequate things: apologize, extradite the pilot and pay us compensation. There will be no softening! Let him pray that he is not ordered to kneel down and accept Christianity.
        D.u.ra.ch.ok this Turk Erodogashka.
  33. Starik72
    Starik72 1 June 2016 15: 50
    0
    The United States, led by a financial oligarchy, only thinks about its wallet and profits. He tells us that you don’t worry, we don’t wish you any bad. And he does everything to weaken us, and then destroy us. We need to do our job to strengthen the economy and defense, not paying attention to the whole whining. But we must act on the actions of this camarilla adequately and firmly, without any sussing.
  34. Barakuda
    Barakuda 1 June 2016 15: 56
    0
    Who will kneel whom
    ROMAN PAPA will put on its knees, I’ll even prepare a 1k43m copy of the hedgehogs under the heels of His Holiness (their fate is to torment themselves) AND DRUM THOUSAND for the benefit of the Church of the Chrestians of the slain. .from the turbine blades, although they are not whetted by bastards, but I can. am
    And to the GURIs of the much-appointed Erdogan in the treasured places of the turbine from the same turbines (or he forgot, he dreamed of a terrible pilot), they’ll be enough, rafting! sad

    I broke up. sorry. But I do not really think so. In this case.
  35. Bramb
    Bramb 1 June 2016 15: 59
    +3
    And I do not agree with the author!
    Aro is our man! You can’t lift the sanctions against us now! It is impossible !!!
    Everyone already knows about agricultural production: it grows and swells. The peasants, of course, seized the moment and the prices lifted up. But they invest this money in business! And try to get a loan at the bank! They will give under 20, minus 8 state, but then. Maybe return. Valio oil, for example, is all, bye-bye.))
    Chemistry, mechanical engineering, pharmaceuticals are developing ... In my opinion, more has been done in a year than in recent years 10.
    Bitch, of course, this Aro. But water pours into our mill.))
  36. Essex62
    Essex62 1 June 2016 16: 11
    +2
    Here to me, as a simple citizen, all this fuss of pins with intimidation of European inhabitants is absolutely tom-tom. We have enough of our problems and concerns, state-owned corporations started selling, although common sense dictates the opposite (Rosneft has something there the Indians were leaked, already a precedent), Kudrin again on the horizon drew himself with a proposal again to stand in a certain pose. It is bad of course that we have lost all allies and if we have to wave it alone, but the population is not very rich. And so it’s all green wrappers down, the oligarchs to Kolyma, a fence along the entire border, so that not a single liberal comes to our land and Tyrnet filters out any hack (technically possible, verified) Privatization of strategic industries, job creation, investment in manufacturing sector of the economy, tight state control over the banking system with the subsequent liquidation of private banks.
    1. Artemka
      Artemka 1 June 2016 16: 18
      +1
      Wow! Be quiet, it smells of North Korea already! Military communism is not an option either!

      Here the neighbors tried to throw off the oligarchs and enter the bright future, but even the vols were half a meter lower and in the dark!
      1. Essex62
        Essex62 1 June 2016 19: 02
        +1
        Where did you see war communism? The Soviet Union modernized, the one that Kosygin was preparing. Private property is permissible but only in the field of small-scale production (with the sale of its products, i.e., trade) and the service sector. Well, in general, it’s a help to the state and the opportunity for those in the ass to feel themselves the master. You need to stifle this desire to climb above the top by building a castle with golden toilets, driving in front of this on the heads and corpses of fellow citizens. Burn with a hot iron! The consequences of the coup d'état hit back hundreds of millions of our fellow citizens. For the first time in the history of mankind, it was possible to create a just society in which ministers and retirees were comfortable and a bunch of freaks who took advantage of society’s unwillingness to resist a coup from above (it used to get the secretary general to trust infinitely) ruined the best model of society in history.
  37. sa-ag
    sa-ag 1 June 2016 17: 16
    +1
    "... Moscow. June 1. INTERFAX.RU - The Russian government has weakened the pro-embargo regime for beef, poultry and vegetables, which will be used for the production of baby food.

    According to a government decree of May 27, 2016 (N472), cattle meat, poultry and poultry offal, vegetables (raw or boiled in water or steamed) frozen and dried vegetables intended for the production of baby food are removed from the pro-embargo regime.

    The import of these products is allowed upon confirmation by the Ministry of Agriculture of its intended purpose. The agrarian department also establishes the procedure and scope of permitted import. "

    http://www.interfax.ru/business/511182
  38. Foxmara
    Foxmara 1 June 2016 17: 28
    +1
    Remarkably, there are almost no comments about Ms. Aro. This is understandable, there is no point in discussing the behavior of the "NATO whore". Not she, so it will be different. Which of the talking heads will throw shit at the fan - there is no difference.
  39. Maxfulminant
    Maxfulminant 1 June 2016 18: 19
    +1
    wink NATO battalion will stop the Russian army! straight funny! and the minister of Poland said this
  40. geologist
    geologist 1 June 2016 21: 27
    +1
    It will be a guard of honor battalion !!! and girls with bread and salt!
  41. Maaslo Sallonen
    Maaslo Sallonen 2 June 2016 05: 53
    0
    Erdogan drove his soldiers to Syria, putting them at risk of destruction by our VKS. No NATO will stand up for them. Our Foreign Ministry at the UN will push the decision on their illegal presence in Syria and the need for withdrawal, Lavrov has already made statements, and then an ultimatum and terms after which they will turn into a mess. Now he is trying to lick the GDP, he understands why he is facing such a balance and what will happen in Turkey after that.
  42. esaul1950
    esaul1950 2 June 2016 21: 58
    0
    Quote: Alena Frolovna
    It seems that schizophrenia for Western partners is no longer a diagnosis, but a norm.


    ISLAND

    We live on the continent
    And they are on the islands.
    We stand on a pedestal.
    They shake on the waves.
    Then it pulls into the fog,
    Something else somewhere.
    And the islanders in the water
    First on the neck, then on the chest.
    And we have to the horizon
    The earth is firm under the foot.
    And the robinsons dream
    To us ... And to us - what the hell?
    Meanwhile, under the guise of NATO
    Jumping and jumping
    Boarding Pirates
    Climb to us on the mainland.
    Wanted the life of the master,
    So that we are like a monument!
    And they want to make money
    Eurasian continent.
    They know, in fact,
    Everyone knows, including:
    Who owns Eurasia
    That master on Earth.
    So they climb not once
    To us on the land of the island:
    That is America, an infection,
    That is the English brotherhood.
    But until now on the planet
    Deserved rights
    We live on the continent
    And they are on the islands.
    We don’t take off the navel of the Earth,
    Understanding what's what:
    In this world we are eurasim
    And ready for anything.
    Leonid Kornilov

    Ingenious! Russia needs to Arm, arm, arm ... and fight for world peace, and spit out everything else.
  43. Old warrior
    Old warrior 2 June 2016 23: 17
    0
    Honestly, tired of these white savages with their stupidity!
  44. NordUral
    NordUral 3 June 2016 14: 24
    0
    And what can you expect from a not-so-smart journalist with mattress coloring on her tummy?