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The newspaper “Pravda”, as a historical source (examples from 1941 – 1942).

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How often, when we are told that we read about this or that in a newspaper, in response we hear a contemptuous answer - “Yes, they all lie, in these newspapers!” That is, a person for some reason initially casts doubt on the authenticity contained materials. What does this mean? Well, firstly, that this man himself is inclined to deceive and, accordingly, knowing this vice for himself, sees him in all the others. And secondly, that he has the experience of the fact that yesterday, the newspaper wrote one thing, but today it is something completely different.


And, nevertheless, even in this case, newspapers, including Pravda, remain the most valuable sources of information about “the affairs of bygone days.” It is clear that the published materials should be treated critically, but a careful analysis of printed newspaper materials can bring many benefits.


This is how the filing of all the Pravda newspaper issues for 1942 a year looks like. Heavy "album" has to be brought by a researcher on a trolley!


Very good photo. We are not alone in the fight against Hitler, help will come.


And ... help came! Also a very good and timely photo in the newspaper # 327 dated November 25, 1941, although the Matilda tank itself is not very visible on it. By the way, oh tanks "Matilda" Penza newspaper "Stalin's banner" in 1941 wrote: "... In the column, the tanks of Captain Morozov's unit stood out with their impressive appearance ... These are British tanks with powerful diesel engines, working clearly and silently ... From the very first days of studying British tanks, our the fighters were convinced of their high qualities. The multi-ton tank is very mobile. It has steel armor, simple controls and powerful firepower to fight enemy tanks and infantry ... The armored British transporters following in the column were of great interest. They are well armed, their weapon with equal success can hit on air and ground targets. "


Who in this photo to the left, like this, without looking at the signature, not everyone will say. It was at this time that this person was going to write a book, was awarded for the defense of Moscow, and they placed a photo on the pages of Pravda surrounded by people who are well known to all of us today. Who is this? This is ... the future traitor General Vlasov. So far, still among the heroes ...


Surprisingly, even then Pravda met materials written on the principle of "they wanted the best, but it turned out ... not very bad." This could be the author's desire to please the authorities, and an order from her. In any case (although we will not find out now), we are dealing with a distortion of reality, and quite stupid and inept! For example, look at the article “Lenin and Stalin - the founders and leaders of Pravda” in the 5 issue of May 1942 of the year dedicated to its anniversary. It says that the newspaper was founded on the orders of Lenin, on the initiative of Stalin. And here we read that at this time Stalin was in exile. True, then he fled from it, and, arriving in St. Petersburg, began to organize the work of the newspaper. But it all took time, that is, when the “Truth” started, it was quite far from it, and mobile phones did not exist then. And on the day of the 1 issue, he was again arrested and sent to Narym Territory for three years. And when did he run the newspaper with Lenin? And if it strikes me, then did people who still remember how it all really did not notice at that time? And after all, they noticed it and, probably, said something about this, although not all and not always loudly.

And here is the question: why did you need to write such an ambiguous article, after which every little bit thinking person had more questions than she gave answers. For example, as an editor standing guard over the foundations of the Soviet state, I would not have missed such an article. But ... she came out and, as you think, she strengthened the people in a certain opinion, or on the contrary - it undermined this opinion in a certain way?


We read an article by M. Sergeev, published in the same 1942 year, about the growing economic power of the United States. It seems to be all right. Such a mighty ally and his successes delight. But ... and where are the starving workers, about whom the very same “Truth” wrote just a year ago, negroes who were hanged by the court of Lynch, destitute farmers? How was it done? Or just not ordered to write? Meanwhile, it was necessary to write about it, because our ideological and economic differences did not go anywhere, and people had to be periodically reminded that “it’s bad”, that “we are enemies”, and allies are only temporary. Then I wouldn’t have to break the rainbow picture of US success, and, therefore, cause readers to distrust - yesterday, they say, this is how it is today ...

21 June 1942 of the Year “Pravda” on the first page placed the text of the agreement between England and the USSR on cooperation for a period of 20 years, that is, up to 1962 of the year. Great news for 1942, right? What was missing? But what the article is about whether the “British bourgeoisie” has enough goodwill to keep it to the very end! Because immediately after the war, both this and all other treaties with England and the United States de facto, and even de jure, ceased to act and ... it was necessary to refer to the article that was published in the same 42 - “We already knew then that they cannot be trusted! ”and“ Here they are bad! ”By the way, the notorious George Orwell, who brought an article about Stalinism in the USSR to one of the British newspapers, was also refused, motivated by the fact that“ now is not the time ”. “But how do you explain to the workers after the war, why did you start writing about it now, but didn’t write then?” He asked a reasonable question to the editor. “But then we will think how to explain!” The editor answered. And if he had printed it? Would it have affected the combat capability of the Red Army and the supply of lend-lease? No, of course, just people would not be deceived - “friendship is friendship, and a snuff apart!”


The newspaper is “so bad” that you have to think about every word in it, because black letters printed on white paper cannot be cut down with an ax - this is a document! However, no less need to think about the pictures placed in it. Others - well, just a godsend for spies. Here is a photo in the newspaper from 7 May 1942 year, page 1: our tanks with troops on the armor attack the enemy. But look at the wheels. They do not have rubber! And this, as we know, greatly worsened their performance characteristics. And on the photo of the T-34 in the newspaper for the 41 year, the wheels were rubber-coated, and here, as you see, it is not. It is clear that the Germans at the front already knew that we were sorely lacking rubber, and that the roar from our tanks could be heard for many kilometers, which was what the “silent” Germanic “sturmgeshütz” based on T-III used. But ... why is it also a photo in the newspaper of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B) to confirm? Well, they would have removed these tanks at close range, so that apart from the tower and the people, there is nothing to be seen! And if I were a German propagandist-agitator, I would have immediately reprinted this photo in all German newspapers and wrote that the Russians had all the tires over, that their tanks were worse day by day, and our victory was close! And now - see "direct evidence of this!"

In the source analysis of newspaper material, the frequency of images of the same weapon in the photo plays a very important role. For example, in the Pravda newspaper for 1941, we see soldiers of the Red Army armed with PPD machine guns, SVT and ABC rifles, and only by the end of the year do they force out the PPSh and the three-tine line. In the newspaper for 42, the first year of the CBT is only in one photo, but since the second half of the year, the PPSh have already completely replaced the FPD, and there are a lot of them in the photos.


This photo (No. 10 for 10 in January 1942) is simply not the place in the newspaper! After all, on it you see PPD-34 / 38 - the rarest sample and ... as if, for example, I used this photo, if I were a German propagandist? And here is how: “You see that the Russians have raked the last weapon from their warehouses, the 1934 automatons of release are coming into the picture. The Soviet industry is falling apart! Our victory is near! ”

But the supply of Lend-Lease gradually began to affect, and on the front wheel of the T-34 tires appeared again, about which Pravda immediately “reports” 2 of October of the year 1942!

Amazing isn't it? And despite the fact that the entire 41 year, our tank crews fought on anonymous tanks, and the pilots on anonymous combat aircraft. The aircraft had the name "bomber", "hawk", as if in their very name was a terrible military secret. We should be proud of our technology, educate the people on the example of wonderful samples of our weapons, and what we had instead was complete anonymity, but how proud of the fact that it has no name?

And only in the number 309 for November 5 in Pravda there appeared the marks of the Soviet T-34 and KV tanks, and the article was written by J. Ya. Kotin! They wrote about tanks before that, even for some reason, the numbers of factories producing them were given in the newspaper, but ... without designations! True, the HF itself was named before the T-34. Another 8 of July of the same year in the article “Struggle for HF”, authored by the director of the Kirov plant S. Makhonin.


Here it is, the famous photograph of the assembly of tanks KV. But under it is not written that it is HF! Secret!


And this is the first photo, under which it is written that it shows the assembly of the Yak aircraft! (Pravda, 8 June 1942, No. 159. C.3)

However, all this mystery of the 40s (war after all!) Is not as funny as the "mystery of the 80s." Then, namely from 1980 to 1991 year, I conducted TV shows for children on Penza television on children's technical creativity ("Let's make toys", "Studio of young technicians", "Stars name," "Guys-inventors"), and after each I was summoned to the Committee for the Protection of State Secrets in the press! “Here it is written here,” a woman in glasses asked me, shocking me with the deadly thickness that we had a T-34 / 85 tank. Where did you get this? This is secret data! ”


An article about polar explorers who bought KV tanks for the front. Such articles appeared quite often in Pravda at that time, but here photos of them were published by no means always, but in vain!

Knowing who I was dealing with, I took the most in advance, that the children's magazine “Young Technician” did not and showed the vigilant lady: “That's where!” She literally sniffed at this magazine, watched all his data and was wildly surprised: it’s necessary, but it’s written in my book that this is a military secret! ”“ And what year is it for you, let me see? ” , not a single one, when I could not confirm my information with the data of the open press, the magazines "Young Technician", "Technique of Youth" and "M delist Design ", but I still called back whenever encountered any military acronym. Once I could not stand it and asked how you can keep such an illiterate fool in such a responsible position? Oh, that was! They invited me to my boss, and he very politely explained to me that the spies were not asleep! “Then you need to put all the editors of these magazines!” “But we are in Penza! - the chief shrugged his shoulders, - it is necessary to work according to the old instructions! So you can imagine on what basis and how this “committee” worked in that distant wartime!


Well, finally, observing the interests of the country, I would not give in the newspaper and photos of these German self-propelled guns. Very much they are some disreputable! They still seem undignified, but in 42-oh they did not seem solid. But the Germans fought on them and reached the Caucasus! On such a shit, God forgive me! It would be necessary to place on the photos of trophies a larger caliber cannon, and a barrel to the viewer. And visible, and scary, and joyful, and pride embraces! On modern young people tested!


This photo with a trophy gun everyone likes much more!

So it is obvious that the publication of the newspaper, especially if it is published in wartime, requires considerable art and the highest professionalism. And with that, and with others in Pravda it was not bad, yes, but one could have done the same thing much better, could it not? With greater efficiency, at the same cost!

The newspaper “Pravda”, as a historical source (examples from 1941 – 1942).

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  1. V.ic
    V.ic 7 June 2016 06: 33
    +2
    An anecdote of the 70s of the 20th century (Anti-Soviet! Sympathetic to Zyuganov is not recommended for reading!): A man approaches a newsstand.
    "The truth," please!
    There is no "Truth" ...
    Then "Soviet Russia"?
    Sold out ...
    What is left?
    "Work"...
    1. qwert
      qwert 7 June 2016 07: 09
      +1
      "And this, as you know, greatly worsened their performance characteristics. Moreover, in the photo of the T-34 in the newspaper for the 41st year, the wheels were with rubber, but here, as you can see, there is none. It is clear that the Germans at the front already knew that rubber we sorely lack, and that the roar from our tanks can be heard for many kilometers, which was used by the "quiet" German "Sturmgeshütze" based on the T-III. "
      During the war, they switched to skating rinks with internal depreciation. She was not on the bandages, she was at the hub, and there was no longer a terrible roar. Although yes, this was done also due to lack of rubber.
      1. kalibr
        7 June 2016 07: 17
        +3
        The iron of the rollers hit the iron of the trucks, and here the internal depreciation. This is completely different...
        1. Riv
          Riv 8 June 2016 15: 03
          0
          Despite the fact that tank diesel in any case will block the clang of tracks. Cushioning is needed primarily to protect bearings and suspension. If the rink is made completely solid, then at high speed the tracks in the nodes of the suspension there is a strong vibration. But this is with the tank, and for example, no one bothers with the tractor - it will not develop much speed.
          Well, in the 41st year, a short suspension service life was also not an actual drawback.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 June 2016 10: 20
      +4
      Quote: V.ic
      An anecdote of the 70s of the 20th century (Anti-Soviet! Sympathetic to Zyuganov is not recommended for reading!):

      A joke is incomplete. smile
      The full version was as follows:
      - "Truth", please!
      - No "Truth" ...
      - Then "Soviet Russia"?
      - Sold out ...
      - And what is left?
      - Only "Trud" for three kopecks.
    3. Koshak
      Koshak 7 June 2016 18: 30
      0
      "What's left?
      "Labor" .. the end of the anecdote:
      ... 2 kopecks each "
      1. Riv
        Riv 8 June 2016 15: 06
        0
        "Labor" seemed to cost four kopecks ...
  2. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 7 June 2016 06: 45
    +7
    Thanks to the author for the article. An original look at an unlit topic.
    It is thanks to newspaper bloopers, incl. custom-made sayings are born among the people such as: "There is no truth in Izvestia, but in Pravda there is no Izvestia."
    However, I was somewhat embarrassed by such a violent emotional reaction to an ordinary photo in Pravda:
    The newspaper “so bad” is that you need to think about every word in it, because black letters printed on white paper cannot be cut down with an ax - this is a document! (and rightly so, it’s nice to think about it with the current media). However, no less than you need to think about the photos placed in it. Others - well, just a godsend for spies. Here is a photo in the newspaper of May 7, 1942, page 1: our tanks with a landing on the armor attack the enemy. But look at the wheels. There is no rubber on them! And this, as you know, greatly worsened their performance characteristics. Moreover, in the photo of the T-34 in the newspaper for the 41st year, the wheels were with rubber, but here, as you see, it is not. It is clear that the Germans at the front already knew that we were sorely lacking in rubber, and that the rumble from our tanks could be heard for many kilometers, which was used by the "quiet" German "assault gates" based on the T-III. But ... why is this also a photo in the newspaper of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B) to confirm? Well, they would have removed these tanks near, so that apart from the tower and people, nothing would have been visible! And if I were a German propagandist-agitator, I would immediately reprint this photo in all German newspapers and write that the Russians had run out of tires, that their tanks were worse day by day, and our victory was near! And now - see "direct proof of that!"

    How this photo could become a godsend for a spy, I personally do not understand. The same Germans could see (and believe me) hundreds of such T-34s both in the sights of their guns, and knocked out and left in the territory occupied by the enemy, and certainly the Germans, without any Pravda newspaper, knew about the shortage of rubber in the USSR.
    And propaganda photos Goebbels pets preferred a slightly different character. And if they printed the enemy’s photos in newspapers, it was either a burned-out or abandoned tank (and other equipment) or captured Red Army soldiers, and among the latter they tried to choose those who looked worse — or with obvious signs of degeneration (such always occur) either with Mongoloid features, etc. - in order to clearly demonstrate to the reader what subhumans the Wehrmacht and the nation are fighting. And what lies at the same time godlessly - that was the essence of Goebelsian propaganda.
    1. kalibr
      7 June 2016 06: 57
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      Quote: Aleksandr72
      It is clear that the Germans at the front already knew that we were sorely lacking rubber, and that the rumble from our tanks could be heard for many kilometers, which was used by the "quiet" German "storm troopers" based on the T-III. But ... why is this also a photo in the newspaper of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B) to confirm?


      A trifle, yes, but it’s easier not to give than to give or trim.
  3. qwert
    qwert 7 June 2016 07: 10
    +5
    Yes, I have long been convinced that in Soviet times we were told the truth. Especially talking about capitalism. But when Gorbachev began to lie and misinterpret
    1. kalibr
      7 June 2016 07: 23
      +2
      Dear Edward, under Gorbachev there was also "socialism" and the Congress of Soviets, and they also talked about capitalism. And they talked about renewed socialism. But somehow these stories didn’t affect people in 91. Although they should have understood that breaking everything and everything would lead to a real disaster for them. That only 20% will be able to fit into the new reality (this is why, by the way, in the USSR they did not write about the Pareto law in textbooks!), And 80% will not. But the communist party schools, universities of Marxism-Leninism, "round tables", schools of propagandists, departments of counter-propaganda were working. If you lived then, remember how lecturers-propagandists from the RK and OK KPSS painted the horrors of capitalism? Didn't work though!
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 10 June 2016 19: 00
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        Quote: kalibr
        It didn’t work, however!

        To the great regret. Jeans, chewing gum and Coca-Cola outweighed.
        And newspapers ... And AiF in 70 years will be the most true newspaper, which, in principle, is not far from the truth.
        Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich.
  4. ovod84
    ovod84 7 June 2016 07: 59
    +6
    When I delved into the archives I read these newspapers, among other things, with the exception of the ideological trend, a good newspaper where all spheres of life were touched. It is even better written than in some modern newspapers
    1. kalibr
      7 June 2016 08: 40
      +3
      And then the word was just masterful. There was a good Russian language school. There were no phrases in the newspaper "Pret not for a detsk!"
    2. Aryan
      Aryan 7 June 2016 11: 07
      0
      Quote: ovod84
      When I delved into the archives I read these newspapers, among other things, with the exception of the ideological trend, a good newspaper where all spheres of life were touched. It is even better written than in some modern newspapers


      If it’s not difficult, share links to the archives of Soviet newspapers of those times and in general which ones were published at that time. In general, I am looking for newspapers from 1946-1947, in one of them, according to my mother, there was an article about the tragic fate of my grandfather.
      Thanks in advance.
      1. kalibr
        7 June 2016 11: 32
        +2
        Newspapers should be in the state archive of your city, once, in the regional library of your city, two, in the GARF - the State Archive of the Russian Federation - three. In Lenin - The Lenin Library in Moscow.
  5. parusnik
    parusnik 7 June 2016 08: 36
    +4
    Thank you, an interesting review ...They invited me to the boss, and he very politely explained to me that the spies are not asleep! ... I have to work according to the old instructions! ” Alas, the Belikovs, with their "as if something happened", have not gone anywhere .. And they have existed and exist at all times ..
  6. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 7 June 2016 08: 52
    +2
    The author is right, instead of propaganda of Soviet military equipment in the 70-80s there was a continuous "struggle for peace", in one office even from the foreign magazines "Flight" and "Aviation week" pages with Soviet military aircraft were cut out.
    1. kalibr
      7 June 2016 09: 28
      +3
      What's this! In 1986, he worked in the closed section of Leninka. There in the chipboard were drawings of the T-27 wedges! The book of the Signal publishing house about BMPs from different countries of the world was in secret access. Got it - I look what’s the matter, where is sedition? And the text says - the fighting compartment of the BMP-1 is very close. And it’s underlined and a checkmark on the side! And how did it plead with our accomplishments? But the silhouette is low and the 73-mm gun against the American 20-mm and the height of the house. We should be proud of the fact that we are highly appreciated. Well, not without criticism. So what's wrong? No, it's all a secret. Drawings of T-24 I literally scribbled at US because they were going to burn them anyway. And here I am with my letter - they sent me a pack.
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 7 June 2016 22: 15
        +1
        In the 70s and early 80s. many events outside the USSR, which for some reason were not covered in our country, could be learned from Bulgarian, Polish, Romanian newspapers and magazines that were sold in our kiosks or sent to regional libraries, libraries of universities. I remember that the menu was very surprised that the magazine "Socialist Romania", which was published in Russian, contained information about Ceausescu's meetings with representatives of the Chinese leadership. But then the USSR had very tense relations with the PRC. Or there were materials calling for the withdrawal of Vietnamese troops from Kampuchea. This magazine published speeches of the Romanian leaders, in which some of the actions of the USSR were criticized. Although, it must be admitted, much more positive materials about the USSR and the Soviet leadership were published in this magazine. And from a Bulgarian magazine (I honestly don't remember the name) it was possible to find out information about the unsuccessful launch of a rocket from Baikonur in the early 80s, which our newspapers and television did not report. interesting information was published in the Polish newspaper Trybuna Ludu, organ of the PUWP Central Committee. True, it was published only in Polish. But after some practice it was possible to read.))
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 June 2016 10: 26
      +3
      Quote: Aviator_
      The author is right, instead of propaganda of Soviet military equipment in the 70-80s there was a continuous "struggle for peace", in one office even from the foreign magazines "Flight" and "Aviation week" pages with Soviet military aircraft were cut out.

      He-he-he ... Jane's reference books were removed to special stores precisely because of the data on our equipment provided in them. To facilitate familiarization with the "probable enemy", the USSR published its own reference books (the same "Jane", but translated and without seditious pages).
      1. kalibr
        7 June 2016 12: 25
        +1
        In 1976, when I was studying at the institute, books were sent as a gift from the US Embassy to our regional library named after Lermontov. One - "Star Wars" - I then learned that there is such a film, read voraciously. And there was "White Book" ("Soviet Military Paua"), someone probably overlooked. And then I took her for six months and thus generally saved from withdrawal. It was a shock to read this book. Such numbers! There was hope that it was a lie. But then, already in the 90s, everything was confirmed, including the data on the JI and RMD agreements. It turns out that "there" everyone knew it, but we have "only special persons". That is, huge expenditures on armaments were hidden from the people. And what's the point to cut it later? That is, people did not know how to govern the country so that they could eat a fish and ride on the bones and crush Western politicians for themselves. Only by force! And the muscles are the superiority of the bull, not the man. Man takes another.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 7 June 2016 14: 24
          +2
          Quote: kalibr
          It was a shock to read this book. Such numbers! There was hope that it was a lie. But then, already in the 90s, everything was confirmed, including the data on the JI and RMD agreements. It turns out that "there" everyone knew it, but we have "only special persons".

          Evgeny Belash AKA ecoross1 occasionally pops up the topic of Soviet propaganda. More precisely, stagnation and squalor, into which it has already become since the 60s. Instead of being proud and promoting the power of the Soviet army and navy (on a reasonable scale - general photographs and short performance characteristics with "chips" - like, "The 125-mm gun, in addition to shells, has guided missiles in the BC", but without excessive detailing), there was a total classification of even what was sold for export.
          As a result, it reached the point of insanity: Tu-128, MiG-25, MiG-27 and Tu-22M3 flaunt in the "Jaina" - and we all print MiG-21, Tu-16 and the general view of MiG-23. For the army, our propaganda includes "Kalash", T-62 (or the first T-72) and D-30 with "hail". As for the fleet, everything stopped at 68 bis, even on pr. 61 there was almost no information, not to mention 1134 or 1143 (for 1144 there were generally only photos from foreign publications).

          On the other hand, the same propaganda frightened us with enemy aircraft carriers, supersonic bombers, "tomahawks" and, in general, with the bestial grin of imperialism and its vanguard - the American military, armed to the teeth with the most modern weapons. Compared to this, the Soviet army in its Soviet propaganda view looked somehow ... faded.
    3. creak
      creak 7 June 2016 11: 54
      +1
      Quote: Aviator_

      The author is right, instead of the propaganda of Soviet military technology in the 70-80s there was a continuous "struggle for peace


      Speaking of the struggle for peace and the Pravda newspaper.
      In 1970, Pravda published an article in the basement, in which it sharply rebuked the bourgeois falsifiers who claimed that there were Soviet servicemen in Egypt and they allegedly even took part in hostilities ...
      These allegations were called an attempt to cast a shadow on the peaceful foreign policy of the USSR.
      Information on the 18th Air Defense Division in Egypt in the foreign press appeared immediately after its arrival, as well as data on advisers in the Egyptian Armed Forces.
      Tel Aviv Radio conducted regular news broadcasts for our troops.
      So our participation in the war with Israel was a secret only for Soviet citizens, and for many it remains to this day, who believe that in Egypt Soviet citizens only built the Aswan Dam and other national economic facilities ....
      1. kalibr
        7 June 2016 12: 19
        +2
        As well as the text of Khrushchev's speech at the XX Congress, Pravda was not published, but appeared in the West the very next day. The communists were informed by a "closed letter", but these were extracts from his speech, and not the speech itself. And the question is - what and who were they afraid of?
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 7 June 2016 14: 26
        +1
        Quote: rYou are still talking about anger
        In 1970, Pravda published an article in the basement, in which it sharply rebuked the bourgeois falsifiers who claimed that there were Soviet servicemen in Egypt and they allegedly even took part in hostilities ...
        These allegations were called an attempt to cast a shadow on the peaceful foreign policy of the USSR.

        Bgggg ... You still remember about the Soviet RSD in Cuba - you also denied it to the last.
  7. Alceers
    Alceers 7 June 2016 09: 02
    +1
    Here I read the first lines and determine the author without even reaching the signature.
    Caliber. You are showing your rotten gut again. As a common thread throughout the article "if I were a German propagandist ..." Don't dream, you would not have been hired because of your professional incompetence. You again undertook to analyze
    Let me explain.

    About the newspaper True. Have you ever read the article itself? Whose photo did you bring? Or do you think that readers make ready-made conclusions? So in the text there is no trace of your speculation. Only the facts - he created the CEC newspaper, headed by Lenin, at the initiative of Stalin and received his main glory in the period when Stalin was the chief editor.
    About rubber. A German propagandist would have thought about how much rubber in the Reich itself and how many ersatz, but was silent bashfully.
    About the submachine gun. Goebbels ’extortion would be silent since the Wehrmacht’s weapons were sometimes orders of magnitude older. The same Mauser 98.
    In a word, I congratulate you, once again
    1. creak
      creak 7 June 2016 13: 05
      +2
      Quote: Alceers
      About the submachine gun. Goebbels ’extortion would be silent since the Wehrmacht’s weapons were sometimes orders of magnitude older. The same Mauser 98.


      No army in the world can be fully armed with only modern weapons. In the Wehrmacht was the Mauser 98 rifle, a veteran of the PMV, and in the Red Army was widely used, along with PPSh and PPS submachine guns,
      his veteran is Mosin’s trouble-free three-ruler of 1891. And what follows from this?
      Just both vinov were a kind of masterpiece and this explains their long life cycle ...
      And insulting epithets for the opponent - is that - from a lack of arguments or education?
      Do not confuse the forum with a squabble in a communal kitchen ....
      1. Alceers
        Alceers 7 June 2016 14: 12
        +1
        What am I talking about !? You, if you can’t essentially object, don’t disgrace yourself. Read carefully first what statement the author, in this article, was my comment. And then you zinnusili my post and then said the same thing that I did, but in other words ...
        And where did you find the insults? What is the author of Germano and Hitlerophile? so he is proud of it himself!
        1. creak
          creak 7 June 2016 15: 15
          +3
          Quote: Alceers
          And then you zaminusili my post


          As for the minuses, it looks like your shameless manner of communication is not like not only me ...
          Quote: Alceers
          What is the author of Germano and Hitlerophile?

          and do not forget that he is still Goebbels ’uprising ...
          Five minutes later, the prosecutor Vyshinsky ... am
          1. Alceers
            Alceers 7 June 2016 17: 48
            +1
            I mean, I'm right. You don't know how to read or didn't bother to read, otherwise you would have noted the context of the phrase. "Goebel's fosterling" in the third argument is synonymous with the "German propagandist" in the second, and by the way to the author! did not apply. The parish first class is enough to understand this. Such a magnificent negligence to details can only be explained by stupidity or disrespect for the interlocutor, so do not be offended by the answer. Did you forget about the rest of the arguments from the post too?
            1. Riv
              Riv 8 June 2016 15: 11
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              Evgeny Vaganovich, I recognized you. Log in.
  8. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 7 June 2016 09: 59
    +2
    I remember you wrote about the Panfilovites debunking the myths and legends created by Pravda, or rather one of its scribblers, and now you defend it? Strange ...
    1. kalibr
      7 June 2016 11: 36
      +2
      I am not defending. I write from the point of view of "protection of foundations". That is, any work must be done professionally. Agree that this commands respect in any case. And in the case of Panfilov's men, again ... it was unprofessional to invent all this, but it was even more stupid to admit that he had invented it! It was necessary to refer to a dead eyewitness and a bad memory ... that's it! And so, the man did a disservice to himself and to his country. This is why I always tell my PR students that a true PR specialist never lies. Either speaks the truth or is silent. Half-truths are usually worse than any lie! So there are no contradictions!
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 8 June 2016 09: 23
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        Understood, I just got the impression that something like: well, there are inaccuracies and bloopers in the "truth", but you are also given your head not only to eat there, but it will be quite capable if you think about it.
  9. Stas57
    Stas57 7 June 2016 11: 02
    +1
    http://hranitel-slov.livejournal.com/78020.html

    and here are some links about newspapers

    http://rostislavddd.livejournal.com/47080.html
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 7 June 2016 13: 43
      +1
      Quote: Stas57
      and here are some links about newspapers

      http://rostislavddd.livejournal.com/47080.html

      Ahhh ... the incident of Balthermanz, when, due to propaganda fumes of the editorial board, a generally uninjured photographer suffered.
      1. Stas57
        Stas57 7 June 2016 20: 38
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        I also think that he is not to blame, but alas ..
  10. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 7 June 2016 13: 37
    +3
    I read the article with interest. I liked the photos of newspapers of a different life. Regardless of their content.
    Yes, there was ideological work, but, probably, a lot of things were wrong in it.
  11. tasha
    tasha 7 June 2016 16: 46
    +1
    That is, any work must be done professionally. Agree that this is respected in any case.


    Totally agree with you. This includes writing articles professionally. You are commenting on publications in the Pravda newspaper and the feeling is that the incomprehensible "ash of Klaas" is knocking somewhere. Again, I repeat, someone on the cover of a notebook in a magnifying glass sees "a swastika and a Japanese helmet", and who from each photo sucks immense material for German propagandists, sorry ...
  12. tasha
    tasha 7 June 2016 17: 19
    +2
    As for the role of JV Stalin in organizing the publication of the newspaper "Pravda", it should be noted that from 10 to 22 April 1912. Stalin was in St. Petersburg and edited the Zvezda newspaper (and was an author - he wrote three leading articles and other articles). And the first issue of Pravda came out with Stalin's editorial "Our goals" - this is the beginning:

    Anyone who reads "Zvezda" and knows its employees, who are also employees of "Pravda", will not find it difficult to understand in which direction Pravda will work. To illuminate the path of the Russian workers 'movement with the light of international social democracy, to sow the truth among the workers about the friends and enemies of the working class, to stand guard over the interests of the workers' cause — these are the aims of Pravda.
  13. japs
    japs 7 June 2016 18: 24
    +9
    I read your comments, gentlemen, comrades. It becomes sad, in everything you see only negative. I would advise the author of the article to carefully compare the current press with the Soviet one.
    It just can't be compared. The fact that not the whole truth was written then is a fact. But lies, such lies, as now were not. There were too many ideologies, but there were very few authors with the gift of this ideology to present sensibly. So there were these muddy little editorials about nothing. There was censorship, under the control of the office. There were little "Khrushchi" sitting there, no matter what happened. Therefore, we knew how to read correctly. In general, the story is reflected in the newspapers of that time truthfully.

    Now, each author is the ultimate truth! They carry such nonsense that neither in a fairy tale nor a pen to describe!

    Therefore, I follow the advice of Professor Preobrazhensky, I do not read any at all. There is a satellite dish, a positioner, knowledge of languages ​​- this is quite enough to have the necessary information. And internet
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 7 June 2016 21: 27
      +1
      And all these dissonant authors from different media are actually a choir. This choir sings in accordance with what is written in today's other article about the media.
    2. kalibr
      8 June 2016 15: 23
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      Well, about the reptilians among us and the end of the world in December, then they definitely didn’t write!
    3. EvgNik
      EvgNik 10 June 2016 19: 14
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      Quote: japs
      There were too many ideologies

      And now it is not in principle. That is, it is, but it is not proclaimed - rob everything and everyone, and you will not be judged.
  14. sigdoc
    sigdoc 7 June 2016 21: 55
    +1
    By digging a pile of newspapers, the author could only find fault with rubber on wheels and small cannons in the photo !!!
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 10 June 2016 19: 17
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      Quote: sigdoc
      By digging a pile of newspapers, the author could only find fault with rubber on wheels and small cannons in the photo !!!

      Sergey, the author did not want to find fault with anything. He wanted to remind us of the newspapers of the time. I took it that way.