The bill on the state status of the Russian language was rejected by the Latvian Saeima

On Thursday, during the next plenary session of the Latvian Seim, the draft amendments were rejected for consideration by the commission. This project involved giving the Russian language the status of a second state. Thus, this issue will be submitted to a referendum.

60 Seimas deputies opposed the project being submitted to the commission for consideration. One of the deputies of VL-TB / DNNL - Karlis Kreslinsh - abstained. It was noted that the representatives of the “Consent Center” faction pointedly left the meeting room shortly before the voting began.

According to the Latvian Satversme (Constitution), the draft amendments are submitted for voting at a referendum. A nationwide vote on this issue is likely to take place within one, maximum two months after the decision made by parliament. The preliminary date is called February 18.

The question of introducing a second state language in Latvia was raised at the suggestion of the Native Language society, among whose leaders were Alexander Gaponenko, Vladimir Linderman and Yevgeny Osipov. In order to get a basis for a survey of the population of Latvia, they managed in record time to get more than 12 thousands of signatures of citizens. The second stage of the campaign, which took place from 1 to 30 in November, allowed 180 to receive thousands of signatures from Latvian citizens in support of the bill. In total, the initiative was supported by 12.14% of the country's population that participated in the previous parliamentary elections.

Already announced the amount that will have to spend from the budget for the referendum. According to preliminary estimates, it can reach 1.7 million LVL.

Representatives of the top leadership of Latvia did not support the proposal of the “mother tongue”. The referendum was called an “absurd game” by President Andris Berzins, who declared that he was not going to take part in it. The parties in power, on the contrary, call on citizens to visit polling stations on election day and cast votes against the controversial initiative. The consent center, in turn, calls for a vote that is consistent with the personal convictions of each of the citizens.

In order for the amendments to the Constitution to be adopted, the support of more than half of the voters who participated in the last elections of the Sejm is necessary. This means that you will need at least 771893 votes to adopt a project.

Earlier in the newspaper "Vzglyad" a message appeared from the Speaker of the Latvian Parliament Solvite Aboltina, who said that the Seimas deputies do not have the moral right to vote for granting the status of the second state Russian language. At the moment, Russian is a foreign language in its status.

In Latvia, the current population is about 2 million people, 44% of which are Russian-speaking. 16% of them have the status of non-citizens, people who moved to Latvia during the USSR. The rights of citizens and non-citizens are about 80 differences, among which is that non-citizens can not participate in elections and referendums.

Comments

[Lech e-mine]

Which is to be expected. But the struggle for the rights of the Russian-speaking population still needs to be continued.

[KuigoroZHIK]

not only continue, but also support!

[Vadim]

Terry fascism of the highest standard, worthy successors of the Fuhrer. And this is in the liberal-democratic European Union. And where is the policy of multiculturalism, human rights?

[serge]

The main question is posed. But it is possible to implement it not in the constitutional field.

[Alexei]

Look how they get rid of the "Russian plague", but they just can't. Poor fellows ... After all, for so many years in the Soviet occupation, they suffered and suffered, I already have tears welling up from pity.
To go nuts: "citizens" and "non-citizens", pendosy --- AU-U, answer me, here is undemocratic democracy, it’s hare to sign up for gay people and lesbians.

[Odessa]

Yes, Alexej, you will not refuse a sense of humor, especially regarding the Soviet occupation. If the Russians had not served in Latvia in Soviet times, my parents would not have met, and so I simply have to say thank-to the Soviet occupation with my birth And the attitude towards Russians in the Baltic states was almost always negative, these Latvian arrows, and during the Second World War hot resin pouring from the rooftops onto the heads of the liberators, etc. But this is history, maybe it's time to change attitudes towards Russians and, accordingly, language. May God grant that the referendum be held in favor of the Russian!

[Alexei]

Yes, he (Russian) is simply too complicated for the Baltic states, so they sculpt otmazy

[Odessa]

And for Russians, Latvian is absolutely easy and easy to learn ?!

[Alexei]

Yes, like two centimes on the asphalt. I’m joking, the languages ​​are similar, probably there wouldn’t be any special difficulties

[Voldemar]

Languages ​​are completely different.

[Ascetic]

He studied in the 80s in Riga, he didn’t specifically learn the language and nobody even demanded that he communicate freely at the household level, although it seemed that not a polyglot could even utter such words as Chiekurkalns and Vec myel gravils without hesitation

[Odesit]

Well done. All right. The attitude towards us was always negative, but they were silent. and smiled. I was born there I know. I always did not understand this vile, small-town, tricky attitude towards those who created Latvia within its real borders, created the economy, and made it possible for Latvians to feel like a people, not laborers on the estates of German barons. Do not build illusions dear. Under German, Polish and Swedish rule, Latvians were only a labor force. There was no question of any access to power. As for the referendum, one can be sure that they will not give the Russian language the status of a second state language. Unfortunately, now the situation is that you can’t help the tanks, but it's a pity.

[dred]

Quote: Odessa

And for Russians, Latvian is absolutely easy and easy to learn ?! smile

Sure?

[Odessa]

Wow, I’m not sure either. I DON’T know whether it is TRUE or NO, but I heard somewhere that in the Baltic states, as well as in Western Ukraine. If you contact not in Latvian or Ukrainian, with the usual question ... how to get there here and there, local patriots can specifically say how to go ... and send you in a completely different direction. Although the world is not without good people

[Alexei]

Yes you are. This is a child's excuse (fool's inclusion). I heard Ukrainian speech many times and always understood what was being played, the Polish channel also watched. You listen and understand that the words are not too different.

[Odessa]

I wrote that I don’t know whether this is true or not. And I know Ukrainian, but what's the point?

[Voldemar]

And here the Ukrainian language, Latvian does not look like Russian at all.

[Voldemar]

It happens, but rarely.

[Ascetic]

And you, in response to them "Latvieu govs" (Latvian cow) push piesu (abnormal), will immediately understand

[Lyokha79]

But how could it be otherwise?

[Odesit]

Dear! God forbid you imagine what Russians and Ukrainians endured. Belarusians and other peoples in Latvia, sample 1990-1998 It is now they are a little besieged back. The crisis, we need gas and we need oil, we need the transit of scrap metal, etc. By the way, when Russia blocked the import of scrap metal, 3 \ 4 of the port facilities of Riga stopped. It's very hard for our people there. God grant that it will work out with the referendum, but I don't believe it. Firstly, the influence of our "friends", and secondly, the local "Pindos".

[Chuck-norris]

If they throw weapons, let them arrange a civil war there. Or is it better to always be inferior? The EU will not help anyway. Only Russia remains.

[Freedom eagle]

The bill on the state status of the Russian language was rejected by the Latvian Saeima
Which is to be expected. The very question of the status of the Russian language in Latvia was only an empty formality.
In fairness, it must be said that if Stalin could capture Finland in the Winter War, then in this country too, all Russians would have the same attitude, if not worse.
Here everyone is slandering, they say, "the whole world hates Pindos," for the way they behave, - a fair question arises: What is it that the Russians did in the Baltic states, in what way did the Russians get the Baltic states that they still hate Russia and do not like Russians? - So the problem is still in the Soviet occupation?

Quote: Odessa

If the Russians had not served in Latvia in Soviet times, my parents would not have met, and so I simply have to say thank-to the Soviet occupation with my birth

Odessan, don’t worry, if your parents had programmed a meeting of the stars, they would certainly have met, but in a different setting, under different circumstances.

Quote: Odessa

I don’t know whether it is TRUE or NO, but I heard somewhere that in the Baltic states, as well as in Western Ukraine. If you contact not in Latvian or Ukrainian, with the usual question ...

The truth is this. When for the first time in the times of the Union he ended up in the Baltic states and addressed a passerby in Russian, he made me understand that he did not understand me. The second or third attempts - the same result, even openly sent. But as soon as I switched to Ukrainian language, my attitude changed to the exact opposite. After that, I already spoke in Ukrainian with people in Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia.

[Odessa]

Freedom Eagle,
yes, my friend, the stars and it was obscured, they were at the dad's uniform, so he SERVED in Latvia.

[Odesit]

Free eagle "FREEDOM EAGLE" What nest are you from? Pentagon, Capitol or Brussels? The attitude towards us was always negative, but they were silent. and smiled. I was born there, I know. I have always been incomprehensible this vile, small-town, tricky attitude towards those who created Latvia within its present borders, created the economy, gave Latvians the opportunity to feel like a people, not farm laborers in the estates of German barons. Do not build illusions dear. Under German, Polish and Swedish rule, Latvians were only a labor force. There could be no question of any access to power. Your position is not clear to me. I do not want to offend. But if you yourself did not live THERE, then do not make hasty conclusions in defense of the "unfortunate", "oppressed" and "humiliated" people

[Samsebenaum]

By all means distance themselves from Russia and the Russians.
This is a dismissive, I would say squeamish attitude, the political top is on display.
Well, well, Uncle Sam sees your efforts.
Russia, by the way, is also ...

[APASUS]

In Latvia, the current population is about 2 million people, 44% of whom are Russian-speaking. 16% of them have the status of non-citizens,

What do you want???
After all, even the European Union indicated Latvia the non-legal status of non-citizens and non-compliance of the status with European legislation!
This is generally a "field of miracles" - they want to live in Europe but according to their own laws !!!!!

[Odesit]

Passport Non-citizen so-called "brown passport" is nonsense. I have not seen this in any legal system. Yes, citizens. stateless persons, refugees, etc. But to issue a passport Not a citizen ?! A marriage certificate for a mistress looks more reasonable.

[vasek-3180]

it could not be otherwise ...

[ESCANDER]

God did not give a mind, but blocked it with ambition.
“Like a Latvian - h. Yes soul”, they will come to that (the way there).

[Odesit]

And so it will be. Not long ago I looked at the quantitative composition of the armed forces of Latvia. It is funny and sad at the same time ! a pair of BMPs, a pair of "Hamers" and other trifles and of course used boat minesweepers and patrol boats made in the former GDR, Sweden and some of our junk. Against this background, even Ukraine looks like a superpower! But ambition!

[serge]

Russian-Riga, Hansam-nevermind.

[Freedom eagle]

Quote: Odess

The attitude towards us was always negative, but they were silent. and smiled.

The attitude towards a foreign ethnic group in ANY country is always negative - this is the law of nature. Especially if the "alien" is an occupier.

Now I want to hear, or rather read the answer to such questions:

1_Why in Finland, which defended itself from Soviet aggression in the Winter War, and did not know 40-45 years of Soviet occupation, is the attitude towards Russians normal, if not friendly? And in the Baltics, over 40 years of "Soviet happiness", hatred of Russians has not changed to mercy, and after the collapse of "indestructible and indivisible" - has it not gotten any better?

2_Why don't the "oppressed" Russians in the Baltics return to their historical homeland? Is it because the "oppressed" status in these countries is still better than in Russia itself?

3_Why have these Russians not learned the state languages ​​for TWENTY years of independence of these countries? Maybe they pretend that they do not know the national language of the country in which they live? Or basically do not want to learn? Then you will have to return to the first part of the second question.

4_Why the State of Russia, so "worried" about its ethnos in the Baltic states, will not ensure the relocation of those who really want to return to Russia? In total, it is business: - to take on legal issues on the sale of Russian real estate in these countries and the purchase with this money, taking into account the deduction of a small (2 - 3) percent for intermediary services, comparable in price to housing for them in Russia.

You can sculpt any minuses you want - I don't care - this "rating" only shows that Russia does not like the truth, and it has never been held in high esteem. Truth is offensive to Russians, they don't need it.

[Odesit]

I answer on points.
1. It would be better not to talk about the attitude towards Russians in Finland. Check out the latest developments in the border regions of Finland, where regular Russian pogroms take place. And by the way, Finland did not reflect, as you said, "aggression". Finland came out of the war after actually losing it.
2. Let it be you "know, about 200 tons. Russian-speaking people left Latvia for Russia, Ukraine, etc., including my family.
3. Why should they teach him? And what kind of country is this? If Vietnamese settle on my floor do I need to learn Vietnamese too?
4. I will not even discuss! go to the website of any embassy or consulate of the Russian Federation and find out about the resettlement program. Surprisingly, under this program, even from Odessa, people are moving to the Russian Federation.
And the last one. Why so much hatred for Russia ?! I do not understand

[Nick]

Everyone has their own truth, but where is the truth, Freedom Eagle?

[Ascetic]

1. The image of Russia in Finland
Finns' hatred of Russians can only be compared with anti-Semitism in Nazi Germany or with early racism in the United States. Historically, Finns' hatred of Russians arose in the 1920s. This hatred is especially directed towards Russian women.
Finns consider all Russian women to be prostitutes. According to the Finnish media, prostitution is a prestigious profession among Russian women, and most Russian women engage in prostitution at some stage in their lives. The Finnish media most often publishes materials in which Russian women appear as prostitutes, Russian men as bandits, and Russian youth as drug addicts. Even Russian children are most often portrayed as demented alcoholics sniffing glue and suffering from syphilis.
In the most popular Finnish television series, Russian women always act as prostitutes, and Russian men as thieves and murderers. For example, after the series Russian Friend, it seemed that a Russian could kill even his best friend at any time. This series was at its peak in the 1990s.
2. Because there they were born there, they grew up they live there their ancestors cleared the Baltic states from fascism
3.Thanks to Russia (USSR), the Baltic peoples retained their identity, including and language In the west, they have one fate - the Germanized Chukhons laborers or the English-speaking Chaldeans. Russians in the Baltic states have a HISTORICAL right to Russian
4. The liberal-democratic power of the aliens in the 90s in Russia is the last thing concerned about the situation of Russians both abroad and in Russia.

[Freedom eagle]

Quote: Odess

Free eagle "FREEDOM EAGLE" What nest are you from? Pentagon, Capitol or Brussels?

Why this question? What do you want to say or emphasize to them?

Quote: Odess

The attitude towards us was always negative, but they were silent. and smiled. I was born there I know.

How old are you? Why am I asking?

Quote: Odess

God forbid you to imagine what the Russians, Ukrainians, carried out. Belarusians and other peoples in Latvia sample 1990-1998

I have been to the Baltic states in 70-80. Even then, they did not like Russians there, but the attitude towards the Ukrainians was friendly.
Further: there would have been no blood in the 90th year, maybe the attitude towards the Russians in that period (1990-1998) would have been more tolerant.

[Odesit]

1. Your views are too reeking of Western liberalism.
2. I am 33 years old.
3. What kind of blood are you talking about? About the operetta to seize the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Latvian SSR? it's funny.
4. And what do you think when walking along the streets of Riga or Tukums, everyone passing by introduced themselves - I am Ukrainian! - I am not a Muscovite!
5. And the last thing. To be and live as we say "Two big differences"

[ares3]

You boiled with the tongue because the Nazis wanted to ban learning in Russian. But the referendum failed. In contrast to them, they held another referendum and took the maximum for the second state Russian. But no one counts on our victory. In Soviet times, Latvian they didn’t forbid language, we taught it in schools, and now we wanted to ban Russian LEGISLATively. Why Russians don’t go to Russia - it’s better and faster to Europe, even to Belarus and even easier.

[Freedom eagle]

Quote: Odess

1. It would be better not to talk about the attitude towards Russians in Finland. Check out the latest events in the border areas of Finland, where regular Russian pogroms take place.

Pecking the detail - "in the border" - to see the Russians there are so bad that the Finns are already excited.

Quote: Odess

And by the way, Finland did not reflect as you said "aggression" Finland

Since when is the ATTACK against a neighboring country not an AGGRESSION? It was just impudent, mean AGGRESSION - Exactly, without quotes.

Quote: Odess

Finland emerged from the war by actually losing it.

It was the Soviet Union that lost the Winter War. The task was to seize, or as they valued it there, to satisfy the request of the oppressed Finnish people, to join Finland to the fraternal Union of Free Happy Republics. The task was not completed. The Finns defended their independence, which means that Finland won the war. And also explain: How can exit from war when they bomb you? This is called surrender.
I am very sorry that you taught history from Soviet textbooks, although you shouldn’t have done it by age.

Quote: Odess

Why should they teach him? And what kind of country is this?

Yes, because they live in that country!

Quote: Odess

If Vietnamese settle on my floor do I need to learn Vietnamese too?

Do not confuse God's gift with a lizard, you pervert the essence of the matter. If a Vietnamese settled on MY floor in MY house, then he is in MY country. Therefore, if he wants to live in MY country, let him learn the language of MY country. And YOU WILL learn Vietnamese if you want to live in Vietnam. Did I make it clear?

Quote: Odess

what kind of blood are you talking about?

Assault telecentre.
On the night of January 13, 1991, Soviet troops stormed the television center building. Fighters of the Alpha group participated in the capture of the building. As a result of the attack 15 people died, about 600 were injured of varying severity.
And before that were:
March 23, 1990 - Soviet troops and tanks are brought into Vilnius.
April 18, 1990 - Moscow begins the economic blockade of Lithuania.
Is this not enough to incite even greater self-hatred in the republics where Russians were not loved without it?

Quote: Odess

And what do you think when walking along the streets of Riga or Tukums, everyone passing by introduced themselves - I am Ukrainian! - I am not a Muscovite!

You inattentively read what I wrote. Again.

Quote: Freedom Eagle

The truth is this. When for the first time in the times of the Union he ended up in the Baltic states and addressed a passerby in Russian, he made me understand that he did not understand me. The second or third attempts - the same result, even openly sent. But As soon as I switched to Ukrainian language, my attitude changed to the exact opposite. After that, I already spoke in Ukrainian with people in Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia.

[serge]

Dear Freedom Eagle, you have a lot of grammatical errors. Which country are you writing from?

[Odessa]

Here is a book, from the time of tsar to the collapse of the union.

[Odesit]

Please tell me the name of the publisher, year of issue and author or team of authors. Thanks in advance.

[Odessa]

Pecking detail - "in the border", - to see the Russians there are so ugly that the Finns are already excited. - Everything is clear, Freedom Eagle, I'm not on my way with you!

[Odesit]

I firmly shake my hand.

[Odesit]

Freedom Eagle. Please answer and you for a couple of questions.
1. Where does such tender love for the "oppressed" peoples of the former USSR come from and does it extend to the oppressed Kurds, Basques, Northern Irish, Serbs in Kosovo, etc.
2. So all the same, where does so much hatred for Russia and all Russian come from?

PS when I talked about Finland getting out of the war I had the Great Patriotic War. Or do you like to call the Second World War? Or maybe you have not heard about this?
End of communication.

[Nick]

The draft law on the state status of the Russian language was rejected by the Sejm of Latvia.

Did anyone doubt it?

[Freedom eagle]

Quote: Nick

Freedom Eagle. Please answer and you for a couple of questions.

Always please.

Quote: Odess

1. Where does such tender love for the "oppressed" peoples of the former USSR come from and does it extend to the oppressed Kurds, Basques, Northern Irish, Serbs in Kosovo, etc.

This is not love for the "oppressed", I am for objectivity, so to speak - a sober analysis.

Quote: Odess

2. So all the same, where does so much hatred for Russia and all Russian come from?

What made you make such a conclusion? What is in my comments anti-Russian?

Quote: Odess

when I talked about Finland getting out of the war I had the Great Patriotic War. Or do you like to call the Second World War?

And I talked about Winter War 1939-1940, or have you never heard of this?
And I am well aware of Finland’s participation in the war against the USSR on the German side. And I note to you that the Finns were not drawn into the war by the Germans, but by the Soviet Union. It was the USSR that attacked Finland on June 25, 1941, after which the Finns were forced to clash with the Soviets again, to the delight of Hitler, by the way, because the Finns did not agree on any fascist persuasion, attack the USSR together with them.

PS The Great Patriotic War is only part of the Second World War, which means that they are not separable from one another. So Soviet veterans of the Second World War are also veterans of World War II.

Quote: Odess

End of communication.

What’s so?

[Odesit]

Quote: Freedom Eagle. Shaw?
And what about your grammar, or are you also one of the "oppressed and offended"? If I remember, then in Russian it is written "and what so".

[Tyumen]

Quote: Freedom Eagle

It was the USSR that attacked Finland on June 25, 1941

And why? Yes, because German bombers took off from Finnish airfields.

[Freedom eagle]

Quote: Odess

And what about your grammar, or are you also one of the "oppressed and offended"? If I remember, then in Russian it is written "and what so".

And this is me, in your opinion, in Odessa.
By the way, you are also limping in grammar, - odessit - spelled with two "C".

By the way:

Quote: serge

Dear Freedom Eagle, you have a lot of grammatical errors. Which country are you writing from?

Dear serg, this is not a grammatical error, this is a black sheep.

[Freedom eagle]

Quote: Tyumen 35

Quote: Freedom Eagle
It was the USSR that attacked Finland on June 25, 1941

And why? Yes, because German bombers took off from Finnish airfields.

This is not true. Until the USSR attacked Finland, the Finns forbade the Germans to take any action against the USSR from their territory. German bombers began to take off from Finnish airfields only after June 25th.

[skullcap]

Needle.
In vain boast of your alleged objectivity. You do not have it at all. Although I would not count the disadvantages: every person has the right to defend his point of view.
However, one should strive for objectivity. But you must also have enough intelligence and willpower to admit that you are wrong where it is.
There is no time to answer you in detail on all points, especially since you have already answered them enough, but you just do not want to perceive them.
I just wanted to clarify that at least Latvians and Estonians may have dislike for Russians for the simple reason that they don’t even speak, but know deep down that they do not live on their own, but on Russian soil. After all, these lands were annexed to Russia, even after the Northern War, but not as a result of the conquest of independent Chukhonian tribes (they were not its owners), but were bought by the Russian empire from the legal owners - the Swedes, for which two heaps of gold were last paid: thalers and efimkov. So while the descendants of the mentioned tribes do not return money to Russia for this land, they have no right to it under all civilized laws. Therefore, it is they who should study exactly the Russian language, like that poor Vietnamese, by the example of which you tried to solve this logical problem here.

[dred]

Here are the bastards !! Why?