In Sevastopol, began to repair the cruiser "Moscow"

The flagship of the Black Sea Fleet cruiser Moscow rose to the dock of the 13-th ship-repair factory in Sevastopol, a number of small works have already been carried out on the ship, reports Flotprom with reference to its source.

"The repair work on the ship was scheduled to begin in January 2016, immediately after his return from the campaign to the shores of Syria, but the military did not give them good," said the source.

At the same time, he stressed that "we are talking only about repair work, and not modernization of the cruiser, which was planned for 2015 year and postponed by the command of the Navy."

According to him, modernization can hardly be expected before the arrival of the frigate Admiral Grigorovich on the Black Sea Fleet.

Resource Help: “It was previously planned that the cruiser Moskva in 2015 will undergo a four-year repair with deep modernization. At this time, the flagship of the Black Sea fleet “Kerch” was supposed to become the BOD, but in the fall of 2014 there was a fire on this ship and at present it is de facto unable to fulfill its intended purpose. ”

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[dsm100]

Handsome. I saw him live.

[Lord of the Sith]

Finally, the hands reached the old man.

[evgeny1td]

I saw him in Sochi. Very pretty.

[Sailor]

In my time it was called "Glory", I think the history of renaming is known to everyone.

[GSH-18]

Quote: dsm100

Handsome. I saw him live.

He didn’t come to us in Sochi for the Olympics. Flaunted on the raid POWER!

[Lt. Air Force stock]

I hope the repair is enough for 5-7 years. And then we have submarines (restoration of technical readiness) for 2,5 years only being repaired, and then again for 6-12 months in a dry dock ... And there is no end to the repairs. Factories are just repaired and loaded, and there are not enough capacities to build ...

[Grandson of Veteran]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

I hope the repair will last for 5 years. And then we have a submarine (restoration of technical readiness) for only 2,5 years, they repair it, and then again for 6-12 months in a dry dock ...

So this is understandable. Old equipment breaks down more often and is repaired longer. A direct analogy with a car, the greater the mileage, the more often the breakdown.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Veteran's grandson

A direct analogy with a car, the greater the mileage, the more often the breakdown.

If you completely repair the car, it will be like new. Did you see the old American rusted cars repairing by discovery?

Quote: Veteran's grandson

So this is understandable. Old equipment breaks down more often and is repaired longer.

Disassemble to the skeleton and reassemble. It is better to let the ship stay at the shipyard for 1,5-2 years, and serve 10 years without repairs, than such a mess every 2,5 years. Because of which our fleet does not receive new ships during.

[poquello]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

If you completely repair the car, it will be like new. Did you see the old American rusted cars repairing by discovery?

Have you seen the maintenance plan of a modern foreign car? if the node is not serviced during time, it will be killed

[3officer]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Disassemble to the skeleton and reassemble. It is better to let the ship stay at the shipyard for 1,5-2 years, and serve 10 years without repairs, than such a mess every 2,5 years. Because of which our fleet does not receive new ships during.

10 years without repairs, you got excited. Without an "average", certainly not, no such mechanisms have been invented yet ..

[Verdun]

Quote: 3officer

0 years without repairs, that's you got excited. Without an "average", certainly not, such mechanisms have not yet been invented.

If you design the unit correctly, and then maintain it correctly, ten years is far from the limit. All normal truck tractors can withstand a mileage of a million or more kilometers. Another thing is that in the hands of the Papuan technicians are a heap of scrap metal. Yes, and repair repairs are different. Some companies even repair serious equipment "cosmetically", if only the act was signed, but the grandmother paid.

[3officer]

Well, in this case, I question the operation without repair and docking of the BU of a ship built in the 80s. years without SRZ - technologies do not stand still.

[Verdun]

Quote: 3officer

Well, in this case, I doubt the operation without repair and docking of the BU of a ship built in the 80s

I had my friends in the use of a KTShch (boat minesweeper) during WWII. It was powered by two Packard Lendlease engines. And the lads complained that they have to sort out those engines every two years. They wanted to change them to domestic ones, but new ones. I honestly dissuaded them - they did not listen. After the replacement, engine repairs became their favorite business. Every month - some kind of crap ...

[3officer]

Mechanics are generally fans of something to sort out and make their own "improvements" this is their professional "trick" probably But at the same time, our people are appreciated for the fact that in "if something happens" they can get into the crankcase and do, unlike the "bourgeois" inmates in the CPU))

[Dart2027]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Disassemble to the skeleton and reassemble. Better let the ship stay at the shipyard of the year 1,5-2

3-4 years. And this is at least.

[Verdun]

Quote: Dart2027

3-4 years. And this is at least.

This is if the ship is repaired by the same method that roads are repaired in Russia, or communications are changed. First, they tear the road. Not much, but you can’t drive anymore. Then they wait for the transfer of money for the first quarter. Then, slowly work on the indicated amount. Then, for some reason, payment for the next phase of work is delayed. And if there is no payment, there is no work. Then, when the money finally appears, it turns out that the prices for materials have changed and the contract must be reviewed. In short, in this vein, you can write a couple more pages at least. And if you take a closer look (with a glance not of an effective manager, but of a competent technician), it turns out that the real work is three days. Under Stalin, they would be shot for such matters. Under Brezhnev - removed from office. Under Andropov, they would have been imprisoned. And now this is the norm.

[Dart2027]

Direct work can last for three days, but this kind of work is a complex interaction between a huge number of people, and here it is not so simple. The main problems are precisely in the normal organization of production.

[Verdun]

Quote: Dart2027

The main problems are precisely in the normal organization of production.

Let's just say there are two ways. The first is normal. This is when they first arrange financing, acquire equipment, establish support, hire professionals, enter into an agreement, and only then drive the ship to the shipyard for repair. But more often the other way is practiced. This is when at first they promise to do everything quickly and cheaply, they drive the ship, hire people, and only then they try to knock out additional funding for it, promising to share with the right people and stressing that the work has already begun, the ship has been disassembled and there’s still something something to do. Which do you prefer?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Verdun

Let's just say there are two ways. The first is normal.

This is the normal organization of production.

[pavelty]

Yes, our fleet is in a "so-so" state ... in comparison with aviation, for example, it's bad.

[Aleksander]

It is especially pleasing that it repairs it native Sevastopol.

[es.d]

And the 13-ship repair - "newly acquired"? I doubt it. Minor works in the form of "... tilting of the klotik and digitizing the rails ..." were probably carried out in Sevastopol.
PS Sorry ... kakago ... I have a flag - European

[Grandson of Veteran]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Quote: Veteran's grandson
A direct analogy with a car, the greater the mileage, the more often the breakdown.
If you completely repair the car, it will be like new.
Quote: Veteran's grandson
So this is understandable. Old equipment breaks down more often and is repaired longer.
Disassemble to the skeleton and reassemble. It is better to let the ship stay at the shipyard for 1,5-2 years, and serve 10 years without repairs, than such a mess every 2,5 years. Because of which our fleet does not receive new ships during.

I do not agree with you about "to the skeleton". It will be more profitable to build a new one.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Veteran's grandson

I do not agree with you about "to the skeleton". It will be more profitable to build a new one.

Well, the Eagles will be upgraded with the installation of Onyx, Caliber, a new air defense system, new electronics, etc.
That is, they will replace almost everything.

[Wiruz]

Well, the Eagles will be upgraded with the installation of Onyx, Caliber, a new air defense system, new electronics, etc.
That is, they will replace almost everything.

A link to the new air defense system is possible? It seems the opposite was said that the Fort will be left

[brasist]

A pitun will not mind ...

[msm]

Where is the frigate "Admiral Grigorovich"? Putin has already left Greece-Athos - it would be time to go home.

[Wiruz]

And where is Greece? Grigorovich was hanging out in Malta. Now on the road again.

[Grandson of Veteran]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Well, the Eagles will be upgraded with the installation of Onyx, Caliber, a new air defense system, new electronics, etc.
That is, they will replace almost everything.

This is what confuses me ... Everything, including the ship's hull, has a finite resource. How much will the final upgrade cost? And how much is such a ship until the final "retirement? This is not a retro car-restored and costs half a century in the garage."

[Wiruz]

There was information in the network that the air defense systems in Orlan would not be changed. They will leave the Fort as it is. I hope that new missiles will be loaded. Is there 48n6dm there? They can just be replaced by 40n6 / 40n6m.

[Banishing liberoids]

The good thing is that the Crimean plants began to work for the Russian defense industry.

[LÄRZ]

I wandered the sea, it's time to patter.

The 1164 Project Guards Missile Cruiser Moscow is sent for repairs. On May 21 of 2016, near 11-00, his transition from the wall of berth No. 12 to the floating dock “PD-30 ″ took place. “RB-136 ″ (from the bow),“ RB-365 ″ (from the stern), “RB-389 ″ (from the port side) and“ RB-244 ″ (from the port side) participated in the transition. Prior to this, over the past three weeks, the cruiser has lagged to the pier, the ship was being prepared for docking, some equipment, weapons, and all ammunition were unloaded from it. Prior to this, at the end of January, the cruiser began operations on unloading the ammunition of the main strike weapon of the ship - the Vulkan anti-ship cruise missiles, actually shortly after its return from military service in the Mediterranean Sea off the coast of Syria. There, the cruiser covered the Russian air base Khmeimim air defense. Prior to this, the PD-30 floating dock was occupied by the Ivan Bubnov military tanker, and after the tanker was withdrawn, work was carried out on the dock deck for two days to prepare it for the reception of the cruiser, in particular, kiloblocks for the Moscow missile cruiser were installed here. In the near future, the ship’s dock “PD-30 ″ will carry out a defect inspection of the ship’s hull and revise the condition of the overboard fittings. Workers of FSUE SRZ-13 will also repair the power plant of the cruiser and its auxiliary mechanisms. In November 2015, the naval assistant’s commander-in-chief for military research, 1 rank captain Andrei Surov, announced that the Moscow missile cruiser of the 1164 project would serve the fleet for at least a decade and would be modernized for new weapons and communications systems.

Source: http://bastion-karpenko.ru/nov_publikacii/ MTC "BASTION" AVKarpenko

[ver_]

Quote: Verdun

Quote: Dart2027

The main problems are precisely in the normal organization of production.

Let's just say there are two ways. The first is normal. This is when they first arrange financing, acquire equipment, establish support, hire professionals, enter into an agreement, and only then drive the ship to the shipyard for repair. But more often the other way is practiced. This is when at first they promise to do everything quickly and cheaply, they drive the ship, hire people, and only then they try to knock out additional funding for it, promising to share with the right people and stressing that the work has already begun, the ship has been disassembled and there’s still something something to do. Which do you prefer?

Quote: Verdun

Quote: Dart2027

The main problems are precisely in the normal organization of production.

Let's just say there are two ways. The first is normal. This is when they first arrange financing, acquire equipment, establish support, hire professionals, enter into an agreement, and only then drive the ship to the shipyard for repair. But more often the other way is practiced. This is when at first they promise to do everything quickly and cheaply, they drive the ship, hire people, and only then they try to knock out additional funding for it, promising to share with the right people and stressing that the work has already begun, the ship has been disassembled and there’s still something something to do. Which do you prefer?

... when I was still in the "girls", I happened to be present at the conversation of the old men .. One said that during the Second World War they had to install a boiler in the boiler room .. It turned out that the rail along which the boiler was being pulled in was cracked. It was the end of the work and they decided to postpone the installation for the next day and left .. In the evening they came for them and they installed the boiler where necessary overnight .. The great strength of the NKVD ..