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Russian tank for urban combat (photo)

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Internet resource Protect Russia posted photos of the new version tank T-72, designed for urban combat, which will be presented at the KADEX-2016 exhibition in Kazakhstan.




It is reported that "the machine is equipped with a new fire control system with a multichannel gunner sight" Sosna ", a new stabilizer with an electromechanical drive, a modernized 2А46М gun, modified for automatic missile firing."

The tank is "equipped with a" bulldozer "blade for clearing obstacles and barricades, as well as a" birdhouse "- an armored cabin of the tank commander to monitor the environment in battle and firing from an anti-aircraft machine gun," the article notes.

“We made this cabin with windows so that it had a circular view, but it was all closed, there was mainly bullet-proof booking,” says the publication of the deputy general director of Uralvagonzavod, Vyacheslav Khalitov.

The tank was developed based on the experience of military operations in Syria and other hot spots.

“If you look closely at the armed conflicts in the world, basically the war is in the cities, no one is fighting in the open, because this is, in fact, instant destruction,” said Halitov.

“And in the city, and in general in urban areas, you can fight quite successfully. Therefore, making an analysis of Syria, the wars in Iraq and in the Middle East in general, we came to the conclusion that we could make a set of special additional protective equipment that can be installed on the machine at the right time and be more effective in urban conditions, ”he added.



According to Khalitov, “the car received a new 1000 engine with horsepower and an automatic transmission, just like on the T-90 tank.”

“The tank is hung with dynamic protection modules from all sides. In addition, it is planned to install lattice screens, which should "cut" the cumulative jets of reactive anti-tank grenades and guided missiles, reducing the impact power of this type of ammunition, "he said.

The machine is also equipped with equipment that suppresses radio-controlled explosive devices.
Photos used:
ALEXEY ZHARYCH / FACEBOOK
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  1. Korgot
    Korgot 31 May 2016 14: 09
    -48%
    IMHO a mixture of a bulldog with a rhino ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 31 May 2016 14: 12
      +7
      Quote: Korgot
      IMHO a mixture of a bulldog with a rhino ...

      because updating the existing device, you need to try new ideas
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 31 May 2016 14: 20
        +32
        Something like this begs for a long time, it remains to break in in a real battle.
        I hope this will be an export version, and our guys won't have to sit in the "birdhouses".
        1. poquello
          poquello 31 May 2016 14: 32
          +8
          Quote: Thrall
          Something like this begs for a long time, it remains to break in in a real battle.
          I hope this will be an export version, and our guys won't have to sit in the "birdhouses".

          Yes, it’s more like conclusions drawn from a real battle
          1. DMB_95
            DMB_95 31 May 2016 15: 15
            +5
            What about the emergency leaving the tank? Birdhouse will destroy the commander.
            1. poquello
              poquello 31 May 2016 21: 11
              +1
              Quote: DMB_95
              What about the emergency leaving the tank? Birdhouse will destroy the commander.

              Quote: Alekseev
              Landing is difficult

              but xs, it won’t work from the ass to the stomach, but the front is covered, probably this was the problem
            2. Rostovchanin
              Rostovchanin 2 June 2016 10: 20
              +4
              This is a self-catapulting birdhouse;) the commander climbs into it and ala - uhl - flies away. the rest leave the tank normally
          2. Alekseev
            Alekseev 31 May 2016 17: 00
            +18
            Quote: poquello
            Yes, it’s more like conclusions drawn from a real battle

            Does not look like it. No.
            Let's start with the "birdhouse".
            To protect the commander when firing from the Cliff, there have long been not "birdhouses" at all, but closed-type ZPUs (T-64, T-80, T-90).
            Bulletproof armor will not protect even from 12,7 mm, and in front where the machine gun sticks out (in the picture it will be at the back) there is none at all ... request
            Landing and disembarkation is difficult, the size is increased.
            There is no automatic gearbox either on the T-90 or on the T-72. Yes, she is not needed there
            There two onboard gearboxes with hydraulic control.The gears are shifted very easily, the gearshift lever m / in is driven only by a small spool in the distribution mechanism.
            It is strange that the director does not know this, but perhaps his writing was distorted by the writing brothers.
            But my personal opinion, it would be possible to strengthen the DZ, if only at the expense of the old Contact, against cumulative grenades.
            A bulldozer will not hurt.
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 31 May 2016 19: 06
              +6
              Quote: Alekseev
              To protect the commander when firing from the Cliff, for a long time, there are not "birdhouses" at all, but closed-type ZPU

              As I understand it, you need it for a better overview. The problem with the tank is that in the city it is difficult to look around from it.
              1. atalef
                atalef 31 May 2016 22: 07
                +5
                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: Alekseev
                To protect the commander when firing from the Cliff, for a long time, there are not "birdhouses" at all, but closed-type ZPU

                As I understand it, you need it for a better overview. The problem with the tank is that in the city it is difficult to look around from it.

                “The tank is hung with dynamic protection modules from all sides. In addition, it is planned to install lattice screens, which should "cut" the cumulative jets of reactive anti-tank grenades and guided missiles, reducing the impact power of this type of ammunition, "he said.

                In Israel, such back in the 70s wassat
                1. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 31 May 2016 23: 40
                  +4
                  Quote: atalef
                  In Israel, such back in the 70s

                  Perhaps I was not interested, but reasoning logically in similar conditions will be similar technical solutions
                2. yehat
                  yehat 1 June 2016 18: 08
                  0
                  looks like a dovecote that was released before WW2 laughing
                  True, they were not tracked ...
              2. iConst
                iConst 1 June 2016 12: 28
                +7
                Quote: Dart2027
                As I understand it, you need it for a better overview. The problem with the tank is that in the city it is difficult to look around from it.

                Yes, they talk about it all the time.

                Therefore, until the problem of situational awareness of the tank is resolved, they will suffer heavy losses.

                In general, the amateur’s opinion is as follows: in city battles, use other vehicles based on the same T-72 chassis. Well armored and armed. For example, like Terminator and another machine with a module similar to Bahcha, only charges for a 100mm gun are flamethrower like Bumblebee, but with a greater range and programmable detonation.

                A tank with its powerful and long-range cannon is not so effective in a city where battle distances are estimated at a hundred meters at best.

                Purely IMHO.
                1. yehat
                  yehat 1 June 2016 18: 11
                  0
                  interesting, but for tanks there are barreled grenades, like on shotguns or some kind of shells, opposite to the sub-caliber and firing low-speed shells?
                  and even more interesting would be to apply a system of laser counteraction similar to the Chinese with the duplication of vectors to the targets of the arrows in the tank or commander
                2. Dart2027
                  Dart2027 1 June 2016 19: 28
                  0
                  Quote: iConst
                  In general, the amateur’s opinion is as follows: in city battles, use other vehicles based on the same T-72 chassis

                  In my opinion this is logical, but I'm not a professional either.
                3. Midshipman
                  Midshipman 2 June 2016 17: 55
                  +1
                  It seems so. A tank gun is not needed in the city. We need a module with a short-barreled gun-howitzer-mortar paired with a 30 mm gun. And if it is made in caliber 152mm, then there will generally be a shaitan machine.
                  1. DimerVladimer
                    DimerVladimer 3 June 2016 09: 35
                    +1
                    Quote: Midshipman
                    It seems so. A tank gun is not needed in the city. We need a module with a short-barreled gun-howitzer-mortar paired with a 30 mm gun. And if it is made in caliber 152mm, then there will generally be a shaitan machine.


                    send us to the story?
                    there were already similar armored objects
                4. DimerVladimer
                  DimerVladimer 3 June 2016 09: 32
                  +3
                  How will the Terminator "disassemble" the baricade covered by the grenade launchers? Will it spud it with a 30 mm twin?
                  Whereas a 125 mm HE tank with a baricade shell will throw a couple of shots from a distance.
                  The terminator is a vehicle for covering MBT from grenade launchers and ATGMs, it will be difficult for her to independently act in urban combat, but it is impossible to cope with barricades and fortified strong points.
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            3. bolat19640303
              bolat19640303 31 May 2016 19: 18
              +17
              Alekseev (1) RU  Today, 17:00 To protect the commander when firing from the Cliff, for a long time, there have not been "birdhouses" at all, but closed-type ZPUs (T-64, T-80, T-90) ...

              I had a chance to shoot with the ZPU T-64B - to find the target, even seeing it in the TKN-3, through the sight of the ZPU - oh, how difficult it is. To use the existing ZPU (by the way, there were none on the T-80) in battle in urban conditions, where you need to fire at tank-hazardous targets (ATGM operator, grenade launcher ...) sitting in a shelter, where time is playing against you, I think it is inappropriate. In such a form, as in the photo, the commander still has more chances to detect and hit the target in a timely manner. Another issue is the security of this design. And the ability to quickly leave the car. Protection against small arms (circular from 7,62 mm) would probably be sufficient. Claims about the damageability of a 12,7 mm bullet are probably justified, but the next claim will be about protection from 14,5 mm, then from 23 mm, etc., so no one will ever fence in the second tower instead of the "birdhouse".
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 31 May 2016 21: 51
                0
                And the city with the cliff is not particularly run.
                Not for urban combat this thing.
                1. ermak.sidorov
                  ermak.sidorov 2 June 2016 13: 28
                  0
                  The cliff is yes, but is a sniper with the 12th caliber still a rarity or already routine?
              2. Alekseev
                Alekseev 31 May 2016 21: 57
                +6
                Quote: bolat19640303
                I happened to shoot with the T-64B ZPU - to find the target, even after seeing it in TKN-3, through the ZPU sight - oh, how difficult it is

                That's for sure, I confirm. The ROM-5 sight is single-shot (i.e. there is practically no increase, this is done for a larger field of view, the helicopter is large, but the space where it can appear is also considerable) and by no means panoramic. wink Also, the dispersion is very significant.
                Nobody, I think, recommends this ancient device for modern modernization. But the "birdhouse" in combination with a "manual" turret and a primitive collimator is an even larger "collective farm".
                1. ermak.sidorov
                  ermak.sidorov 2 June 2016 13: 25
                  +1
                  And what if, like on a "breakthrough" - remote control and gaze (hang cameras for more and different for a better view) ... cameras are certainly not eyes, but there is a big difference between a bullet in the camera and a bullet in the head ... if anything, I am also not competent.
              3. Alekseev
                Alekseev 31 May 2016 22: 14
                +1
                Quote: bolat19640303
                by the way on the T-80 they were not

                On the T-80UD were.
                Although this is not the point.
            4. Damask
              Damask 31 May 2016 22: 16
              0
              And shorten the trunk
            5. iConst
              iConst 1 June 2016 12: 13
              +3
              Quote: Alekseev
              Let's start with the "birdhouse".

              - In my opinion, an amateur: the windows are located high - the head will stick out.
              In urban combat, when many multi-storey buildings, the angle of shelling from the upper and middle floors will often be such that if the front one in relation to the attack and somehow protects the commander, then the bullets flying from above at an angle downward will hit the rear wall and ricochet all over " birdhouse ".

              And rightly said - to leave the car will be many times more difficult, God forbid, even the wounded.

              IMHO: the turrets are late - we need controlled modules. Let primitive.
          3. mole
            mole 31 May 2016 17: 31
            +5
            Quote: poquello
            Quote: Thrall
            Something like this begs for a long time, it remains to break in in a real battle.
            I hope this will be an export version, and our guys won't have to sit in the "birdhouses".

            Yes, it’s more like conclusions drawn from a real battle

            Conclusions from Syria were asking. Recently, an article was about the gratings "which cut cumulative jets" on the VO from the Bulletin. Apparently there is still a positive from them. Moreover, the "infantry" sitting in the "birdhouse" will be protected from small arms. Thus, a minimum of infantry should be allowed on foot to destroy the means of destruction of armored vehicles. Also in the photo recently, there are many Syrian Army tanks with a bulldozer blade. The "weak points" of the DZ are also apparently taken into account. Here's to you
            Quote: poquello
            a mixture of a bulldog with a rhino ...
        2. Come on
          Come on 2 June 2016 12: 46
          +1
          Quote: Thrall
          I hope this will be an export option, and our guys won't have to sit in the "birdhouses"


          Or maybe at least our tankers would get it? Now what happen, what will they send? T-72B3, this is at best, well, and T-90, which are not intended for fighting in the city! And this option is at least something. For a long time, all modern tanks have an urban body kit, from Leclerc, Abrams, to Leo2 and also DUBMs, and in the Russian army there are still neither DUBMs, nor even birdhouses and all-angle enhanced protection.
      2. Oleg Lavrov
        Oleg Lavrov 31 May 2016 16: 18
        +1
        Hmm ... tank for urban combat !! I would like to look at its real capabilities ... after all, in urban combat, equipment is usually very vulnerable!
      3. Oleg_84
        Oleg_84 3 June 2016 02: 14
        0
        what does new mean?
        like this tank lacks armor, horses or a kitchen?
        there’s just enough in it = you need to lick the tank under certain situations - what they are doing !!!
  2. Voin555
    Voin555 31 May 2016 14: 10
    -14%
    Tanks have no place in the city;
    1. poquello
      poquello 31 May 2016 14: 35
      +5
      Quote: Voin555
      Tanks have no place in the city;

      there are different tanks
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 31 May 2016 14: 39
        +29
        Quote: Voin555
        Tanks have no place in the city;
        And the soldiers should not go in there --- they’ll kill anyway
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 31 May 2016 14: 47
          +13
          And to fight, as well as to live, is generally a dangerous occupation. You can die.
    2. Bronis
      Bronis 31 May 2016 14: 49
      +13
      Quote: Voin555
      Tanks have no place in the city;

      just the place, if not the tank army ...
      but within the assault groups - yes. tell motorized riflemen who need to cross the shooting area that they don’t need tanks. really needed, naturally adapted for urban conditions
    3. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 31 May 2016 15: 28
      0
      The question is how many spirits this tank rolls before it is beaten and how many other equipment and how many perimeters it can keep under control.
    4. yehat
      yehat 1 June 2016 18: 18
      0
      crew figure out for three be beaten up? laughing
  3. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 31 May 2016 14: 11
    +6
    Yes, with all the bells and whistles of this tank, I would not want to be the commander in it in a natural urban battle. Still, it’s better to finish it a bit, and to put a robot in there.
  4. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 31 May 2016 14: 11
    +15
    "I, Oryol will not take! The streets are narrow there, all the tanks will burn me there ..." Marshal Rybalko ... Is it really ripe ?!
  5. Alexez
    Alexez 31 May 2016 14: 12
    -19%
    And how will the tankman from this birdhouse aim?
    1. Homo
      Homo 31 May 2016 15: 15
      +2
      Quote: Alexez
      And how will the tankman from this birdhouse aim?

      Who are you talking about? Probably about the driver? wink
      1. Alexez
        Alexez 31 May 2016 15: 53
        +3
        No, I'm talking about the "cabin with windows", which is located on the tower. The photo shows that the viewing windows are high almost at the very cut of the armor shields, and the installation site of the anti-aircraft machine gun is low. Accordingly, the question is - how to aim for a tanker? The open sight of the machine gun is inaccessible because it is closed by armor, and you can aim at the cockpit window only along the course and then approximately.
        The question is removed, since in the photo from RUSS "rear view" you can see that the cabin turns out to be turned backwards and the arrow from the front does not cover anything, only from behind from partially from the sides ...
        But thanks for the minuses - I had to first consider all angles)))
  6. NEXUS
    NEXUS 31 May 2016 14: 12
    +17
    Most likely this tank in this configuration was assembled on the basis of the experience of using our 72s in Syria and Donbass. Now we would send it to run into the same Syria and refine it according to the results.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 31 May 2016 14: 20
      +6
      So the director speaks directly about it and says:
      Thus, doing analysis Syria, the wars in Iraq and the Middle East in general, came to the conclusion make a set of special additional protective equipment, which at the right time can be installed on the machine and fight more efficiently in urban conditions
    2. poquello
      poquello 31 May 2016 14: 22
      +5
      Quote: NEXUS
      Most likely this tank in this configuration was assembled on the basis of the experience of using our 72s in Syria and Donbass. Now we would send it to run into the same Syria and refine it according to the results.

      it is written - from experience, of course it’s still a tank - they work on fortifications, for the passage of the city you need a different fire system
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    4. yehat
      yehat 1 June 2016 18: 19
      0
      in Kiev it would be more interesting ...
  7. Lanista
    Lanista 31 May 2016 14: 12
    +7
    To be honest, on the urban modification it would be necessary to increase the DZ containers along the sides of the tower, otherwise the side projection in the city is still more often affected than in the field.

    And also - purely in my opinion - it is necessary to create a special machine for the battle in the city. Or a complex of interacting machines. And then there are persistent rumors that the most optimal machine for a battle in the city is the UR-77. One salvo - and the street is cleared.
    1. poquello
      poquello 31 May 2016 14: 37
      +3
      Quote: Lanista
      it is necessary to create a special machine for the battle in the city

      it’s like they planned a terminator for the city, or they are preparing a breakthrough in technology, they even subsided
  8. RUSS
    RUSS 31 May 2016 14: 15
    +16
    Back view.
    1. Mechanic
      Mechanic 31 May 2016 14: 56
      +1
      Really back?
      1. mole
        mole 31 May 2016 19: 56
        +1
        Quote: Mechanic
        Really back?

        laughing
        View from the stern or rear? wink
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 3 June 2016 07: 26
      0
      So the "birdhouse" is not circular ...
  9. Wolka
    Wolka 31 May 2016 14: 24
    +6
    as soon as the garden was fenced in, for me a "terminator" (tank support vehicle) in a city battle would be preferable to a classic tank ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 31 May 2016 14: 28
      +3
      Quote: Volka
      as soon as the garden was fenced in, for me a "terminator" (tank support vehicle) in a city battle would be preferable to a classic tank ...

      The terminator has not been adopted by the Russian army ... so far it is only exported and, as I understand it, in small batches.
      And Terminator-3 on the platform of Almaty is still in development and it is unclear whether our Moscow Region will take it or again only let it export.
      1. poquello
        poquello 31 May 2016 14: 39
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: Volka
        as soon as the garden was fenced in, for me a "terminator" (tank support vehicle) in a city battle would be preferable to a classic tank ...

        The terminator has not been adopted by the Russian army ... so far it is only exported and, as I understand it, in small batches.
        And Terminator-3 on the platform of Almaty is still in development and it is unclear whether our Moscow Region will take it or again only let it export.

        IMHO not a reason not to try
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      3. RUSS
        RUSS 31 May 2016 14: 46
        +2
        Quote: NEXUS
        so far it is exported only and, as I understand it, in small batches.

        Apart from Kazakhstan, nobody seems to buy it.
        1. kytx
          kytx 31 May 2016 15: 04
          0
          the Saudis seemed to be buying
  10. activator
    activator 31 May 2016 14: 27
    +9
    In my opinion, this birdhouse is complete. Why can’t you make a remote module controlled from under armor? And the dynamic protection units on the side screens together with the grilles will remain on the poles, fences and corners of the buildings. in order to protect against defeat from above, nothing was done at all to the tower and the hull. request In general, you need something more serious.
    1. Lanista
      Lanista 31 May 2016 14: 34
      +5
      why it is impossible to make a remote module controlled from under armor?

      T-90A, T-90 MS, "Armata". Already done. There is a problem in the camera's viewing angle, the machine gun operator (tank commander) cannot normally search for targets through the camera, it is more effective with his own eyes. Therefore, the booth.
      1. activator
        activator 31 May 2016 14: 43
        +3
        Quote: Lanista
        -90A, T-90 MS, "Armata". Already done. There the problem is in the camera's viewing angle, the machine gun operator (tank commander) cannot normally search for targets through the camera, it is more effective with his own eyes. Therefore, the booth.

        Yes, I understand, but the commander in this booth IMHO is not a tenant, as it is better for me to see through the camera a little worse, but longer than good, but a little bit. Here, in my opinion, the connection with the infantry will be more important, which will cover the tank and give target designation.
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 31 May 2016 17: 07
      +2
      Actually, I think that it was not stupid people who know about such issues that did it. I didn’t take part in street battles, so I will not say anything, and I will not advise anything. Since the experts thought that this was necessary, then it would be more effective. Although the opinion of home "experts" is also interesting to read.
  11. kit-kat
    kit-kat 31 May 2016 14: 34
    +2
    It seems to me that the "terminator" is more suitable for these purposes. Hang a bucket on it and that's it. Although ... I'm an amateur in this matter. The designers know better.
  12. BAI
    BAI 31 May 2016 14: 47
    +1
    Tanks in the city are actually suicide bombers. But if you make a tank for the city - you need a short-barreled gun. On the SU-100 this has already passed. Self-propelled guns, very successful for open spaces, turned out to be very vulnerable in the city - a long barrel sharply limited maneuverability.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 31 May 2016 14: 50
      +1
      Correct, but somewhere I heard that a shot of 125mm., A conventional tank gun along the street, causes barotrauma of varying severity in the horns sitting in the houses.? request
      1. Passer
        Passer 31 May 2016 14: 57
        +3
        Nonsense, even 152 mm 2s3 does not cause. Verified. Although, there are different cases.
        1. ARES623
          ARES623 31 May 2016 15: 22
          +3
          Quote: Passer
          Nonsense, even 152 mm 2s3 does not cause

          The tank barrel is the most loaded, especially in comparison with howitzer. The gas pressure inside the tank barrel is from 5,5 to 7 (2-83) kg / sq.cm, therefore barotrauma will be more severe from it. And then, the 2c3 wave launches mainly at a large angle to the surface and much higher than the human head, the tank, on the contrary, is along the surface of the earth. And if a person stands in front of the tank, even with an offset to the side, it will still fall into the front of the gas wave of enormous pressure.
          1. ARES623
            ARES623 31 May 2016 20: 34
            0
            Quote: ARES623
            Gas pressure inside the tank barrel from 5,5 to 7 (2-83) kg / sq.cm

            of course 5,5 -7 thousand kg / sq.cm
      2. Mobik
        Mobik 31 May 2016 14: 58
        0
        I live on a street whose width is about 60 meters, so it is doubtful.
      3. activator
        activator 31 May 2016 15: 50
        +2
        Quote: avva2012
        Correct, but somewhere I heard that a shot of 125mm., A conventional tank gun along the street, causes barotrauma of varying severity in the horns sitting in the houses.? request

        In general, I was at the training ground, and tankers were shooting nearby, the tank was away 50 meters. The shot was not particularly impressive, but for some reason it was not easy for me to bear behind the tanks, and here the tank shot, I must admit that at this moment the world began to play with new colors for me laughing . The shot was so strong that I fell to the ground, all the more so because I did not expect such a distance of the same 50 meters, but the effect ... It was very different from the power of the shot from the side.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 31 May 2016 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: BAI
      Tanks in the city are actually suicide bombers. But if you make a tank for the city - you need a short-barreled gun.

      Perhaps for this case, they are going to equip the BMP-3 with the Baikal module with a 57 mm cannon ... specifically to combat armored personnel carriers and lightly armored targets.
  13. Mobik
    Mobik 31 May 2016 14: 53
    +2
    Everyone is perplexed about the birdhouse, and only the KV-5 radio operator is happy.
  14. Jamuqa
    Jamuqa 31 May 2016 14: 54
    +1
    And according to my designers there’s nothing more to do ..., the tank was not originally designed for urban combat, it is still a breakthrough machine on the FIELD of battle. For urban combat, you need initially and fundamentally different machine. And this is another attempt (IMHO unsuccessful) to extend the life of the issued UVZ tanks this series.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 31 May 2016 14: 57
      +3
      Quote: Jamuha
      And this is another attempt (IMHO unsuccessful) to extend the life of the tanks produced in this series by UVZ.

      Minimum investment and changes for sale to the poor relative to the country that can not afford the T-90 ... why not?
    2. Mechanic
      Mechanic 31 May 2016 15: 01
      0
      How is there nothing to do? And the development of budget funds? They are just doing this.
    3. yehat
      yehat 1 June 2016 18: 28
      0
      absolutely right. tank for the city is weakly applicable.
      firstly, the tower is not high for turning the gun up.
      secondly, the high velocity of the projectile plays against
      thirdly, there is no well-thought machine-gun weapons against infantry, which can be around and above.
      fourthly, the size in the city can even be a plus, for example, it better covers the infantry with its carcass
      perhaps the armata will be much more effective, especially with a 152mm rod.
  15. Wedmak
    Wedmak 31 May 2016 14: 58
    +1
    In a birdhouse AGS would put, the most firing points to suppress.
    1. yehat
      yehat 1 June 2016 18: 29
      +1
      there you can make a turret with a pair of AGS and a machine gun.
      1. ermak.sidorov
        ermak.sidorov 2 June 2016 13: 39
        0
        ... and 152mm mortar laughing
        Sorry - I could not resist, I wanted to offer something like that = _
  16. Air defense SSH
    Air defense SSH 31 May 2016 15: 07
    +5
    Sushka has no turning tower. The experience of taking Berlin showed the effectiveness of the tanks in interaction with the infantry when moving on a ledge - the infantry is slightly ahead of two tanks on both sides of the street behind. The infantry detects the firing points, the tanks suppress, the infantry cleans and the main communication - then the losses are minimal. And no marching columns like in Grozny.
  17. Skubudu
    Skubudu 31 May 2016 15: 08
    -2
    Birdhouse is a cheap crazy idea to improve the visibility of the tank.
    Sit in it, wait until 12.7 arrives ...
    It is necessary to radically improve visibility to use thermal imagers, etc.
    Maximize the reservation of stern, sides and roof
    Also, we need a new, more powerful high-explosive bp.
    All foreshortening turret with a machine gun.
    1. iliya87
      iliya87 2 June 2016 10: 52
      0
      Well, gentlemen, you give. Look in Syria installing a simplified version on cars with machine guns. And answer yourself the question is someone sitting in it? And why is it needed. And then Comment.
  18. lukewarm
    lukewarm 31 May 2016 15: 12
    +3
    Competitor T-90MS? Cheaper option? Box T-90, dviglo - too. Probably a large 72-park. For modernization.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 31 May 2016 15: 14
      +3
      Quote: unwillingly
      Competitor T-90MS? Cheaper option? Box T-90, dviglo - too. Probably a large 72-park. For modernization.

      And what do you think is cheaper: to remake the 72-ku in the T-90 or upgrade to at least such a state as in the photo?
  19. lukke
    lukke 31 May 2016 15: 24
    +1
    I think that for a city tank the length of the cannon can be shortened, and the turret can be supplemented with an automatic cannon (paired with the main cannon) of 23 mm or 30 mm caliber.
  20. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 31 May 2016 15: 26
    +2
    Quote: Thrall
    Something like this begs for a long time, it remains to break in in a real battle.

    What would be good not a ball tank (east), but, they are for the battlefield... And the Great Tankman Rybalko was right a thousand times when he said the immortal words: "I will not take Berlin with tanks, I will easily bypass it, and I will give all the glory to the infantry!" In the city, at the modern level, robotic complexes, burners and smoke-boxes should work, ... and not armor from above, below, along the stern ..., they will find it as scrap to send, but the crew in the city is doomed. Sorry, I saw and there was a case, I tried to pull it out, but to no avail.
  21. Bayonet
    Bayonet 31 May 2016 15: 32
    +4
    "... it is planned to install lattice screens, which should" cut "cumulative jets of anti-tank grenades and guided missiles, reducing the impact power of ammunition of this type"
    This - "cutting cumulative jets" - is simply incomparable! smile
    In fact, lattice screens are designed to destroy or trigger a cumulative charge before contact with the armor.
    1. MaksoMelan
      MaksoMelan 31 May 2016 15: 54
      +1
      And better than destruction. Since modern-day CS chutli not on the floor of the tank can flash. But all the same, I think this is against the likeness of RPG7.
    2. yehat
      yehat 1 June 2016 18: 41
      0
      how do you know which gratings you were planning to install?
      maybe they will not only be able to cut the cumulative stream, but also a couple of blocks of neighboring dimensions laughing
  22. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 31 May 2016 15: 32
    +2
    they came up with a city tank after the domestic one, after the storming of the formidable and here again. but this thing is necessary and necessary
  23. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 31 May 2016 15: 39
    +2
    Quote: seregatara1969
    they came up with a city tank after the domestic one, after the storming of the formidable and here again. but this thing is necessary and necessary

    So about Grozny I spoke a little higher. Rake gardener's tool, not a weapon!
  24. iouris
    iouris 31 May 2016 15: 48
    0
    This is called palliative. In order not to have to "weld" additional protection, the complex must be developed practically "from scratch". For autonomous detection and recognition and destruction of targets, a multi-channel optoelectronic system, artificial intelligence and various means of destruction are needed.
    Such a tank should become an element of a "large system" within which interaction between different forces is established. A large system should ensure the capture of the city block (district) and have an open architecture.
    1. yehat
      yehat 1 June 2016 18: 42
      0
      Yes, it is necessary and will continue to refine the armature. And the T72 needs to be equipped with effective ersatz and this is limited.
  25. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan 31 May 2016 15: 52
    0
    I would prefer two wide and panoramic screens; one shows the rear panorama above or below the other, the second - the front panorama. But the screens so that they are curved like a semicircle. So as not to rotate the camera but to rotate it. Left to right in the tank itself.
  26. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 31 May 2016 15: 54
    +3
    Continue a little hooked. It seems that some managers in the military-industrial complex do not understand what is at stake, or the stray media carry a blizzard. Here is him or them in this tank and in the city of Alepo, for example. There, from the RPG to the maximum, he was stuck in the mechanics from the sewer hatch to the cover and under the donkey. The city is not a battlefield, where about 3 / 1, God forbid the city is 10-30 / 1, and the iron is there, until the second shot.
  27. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 31 May 2016 16: 14
    +2
    Quote: avva2012
    along the street, causes barotrauma of varying severity

    Because the corridor is acoustic + bar, imagine - a ditch, there you are - and suddenly water, the greater the pressure of water, the less chance of survival. More or less like this
  28. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 31 May 2016 16: 25
    +8
    "" If you look closely at armed conflicts in the world,
    basically the war is in cities, no one is fighting in open areas now,
    because it is, in fact, instant destruction, "- said Khalitov." ////

    The city is even more dangerous for the tank actually. sad

    You have to fight in cities because cities are spreading out in the suburbs
    everywhere merge. It will turn out a solid building.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 31 May 2016 18: 17
      +7
      Quote: voyaka uh
      You have to fight in cities because cities are spreading out in the suburbs
      everywhere merge. It turns out a good building

      Come to Russia. You will be amazed at the amount of urban development outside the central regions.)) In fact, the problem is not that the cities are spreading, but in the nature of the wars and their methods. Previously, this urban development would have been razed to the ground by artillery or air strikes. And today it is considered inhumane, shouting that civilians are suffering. In the meantime, all alone care about humanity, others slaughter civilians like sheep.
      1. yehat
        yehat 1 June 2016 18: 52
        0
        nevertheless, the slaughter of the sheep is more humane than the carpet bombardment or the modern gun barrage.
    2. yehat
      yehat 1 June 2016 18: 49
      0
      The city is even more dangerous for a tank


      maybe even better? book a thicker place, like a megamork, make the tank louder and taller so that it is noticeable and let it fly like flies to honey, and when they spend it, even the jeeps will not have anything left from the VET. And to arm the car itself with some mortars of circular fire, AGS systems and machine guns, which in response will throw particularly hot fans.
  29. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 31 May 2016 16: 31
    +2
    The tank will be needed, as the world rolls - there will be many urban battles ... soldier
  30. marshes
    marshes 31 May 2016 16: 40
    +4
    I would like if UVZ still presented a mixture of "bulldog with a rhinoceros", Chassis from T-72, with a new turret and 120mm gun from VIENNA, plus 12,7mm DBM.
    Something like that.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 31 May 2016 17: 56
      +6
      Something is needed. Chassis, armor of the tank, hang more armor on the side, DZ.
      A shortened mortar gun, like Vienna, and preferably two 12.5 machine guns:
      one forward, one back with control from inside the tank by video.
      1. marshes
        marshes 31 May 2016 18: 43
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Something is needed. Chassis, armor of the tank, hang more armor on the side, DZ.
        A shortened mortar gun, like Vienna, and preferably two 12.5 machine guns:
        one forward, one back with control from inside the tank by video.

        I agree, BC placing sections with embroidery panels.
        As we discussed this topic with Mr. Lopatov, about the T-72 chassis, we have a lot of them, at first the NONA's barrel is used as a weapon, well, if on our own, yes from "junk".
      2. ermak.sidorov
        ermak.sidorov 2 June 2016 13: 43
        0
        For the city, such a combination is probably better than any terminator .... but in the photo above what is it?
  31. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 31 May 2016 16: 40
    +2
    I’m glad that UVZ quickly responds to the experience of the SA, dump this thing ... it’ll bury itself and hit the parapet for itself and the infantry ... the tool is certainly universal, but for barmels in the city at a short distance the trunk is shorter and the caliber is bigger .. so : shot-not at home ... what you need, so I did the street
    1. iouris
      iouris 2 June 2016 13: 18
      +1
      That's it: very powerful assault guns and self-propelled identity were created for the assault on Koenigsberg. For urban combat, high mobility is not needed, but the ability to shoot at a mortar can be useful. Need special ammunition. At the same time, unification with MBT is necessary, otherwise the MTO will become more complicated.
  32. Technologist
    Technologist 31 May 2016 16: 51
    +1
    And the sidewall of the tower is bare, and the gap between the dynamics of the tower and the body would not hurt to cover it.
  33. Strashila
    Strashila 31 May 2016 17: 16
    +3
    Recent experience ... how much the tank is protected from attacks from above.
    Video from Syria, where militants fire from the upper floors, the events of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict with the use of combat UAVs.
    This must be taken into account.
    Further, what are the elevation angles of the guns ... hardly large, then this is a minus.
    Optics viewing angles, the same question.
    How is the connection resolved .... ???
  34. Verdun
    Verdun 31 May 2016 17: 46
    0
    The tank was developed based on the experience of military operations in Syria and other hot spots.
    Increasingly, in the course of hostilities, the tank is used as a powerful sniper rifle. I do not think this is the right approach. You can still understand when this happens due to the poverty of the warring parties, which, in addition to several tanks, have nothing. But this approach is hardly acceptable for well-equipped armies.
  35. ARES623
    ARES623 31 May 2016 20: 41
    +2
    The tank is certainly interesting, almost a bulldozer for BAM. But to me, all the same, I think that no matter what tank they come up with, he will not go to the city alone. It is quite obvious that this will be a kind of assault group in the form of a detachment, reinforced by sappers, a TV, possibly a fire platoon with Nona and an reconnaissance group with a set of quadrocopters. A tank is only one of the elements that still needs to be built into the battle formation of this group.
  36. Michael_59
    Michael_59 31 May 2016 21: 02
    +3
    The "new" version of year 3 is already, no less.
    And Syria with Donbas, respectively, has nothing to do with it.
    DUBM instead of a booth - yes, super, of course, only here the military modernization of the T-72B3 has holes in the distribution of DZ according to the main projections. It looks like all the money for Serdyukov was "distributed".
  37. BLACK-SHARK-64
    BLACK-SHARK-64 1 June 2016 23: 47
    +2
    Quote: Korgot
    IMHO a mixture of a bulldog with a rhino ...

    idiot ..... bully
  38. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 June 2016 12: 50
    0
    This tank is modified for counterguerrilla operations. The requirements for combined arms combat and for colonial wars are different and the machines must be modified in different ways. T-72, 64 we have a lot in stock. A good tank for the National Guard will succeed.
  39. cat 23
    cat 23 2 June 2016 20: 17
    0
    A birdhouse is certainly cool, but there really is no option to make it like a commander’s movable turret with a circular view and NSW on the 80-ke?
  40. abrede
    abrede 2 June 2016 21: 34
    0
    What will happen to this birdhouse (and tank commander) after getting into this RPG or Molotov cocktail?
  41. nesvobodnye
    nesvobodnye 2 June 2016 22: 40
    0
    For the city you need a short gun.
  42. Nikolaysobakin
    Nikolaysobakin 3 June 2016 01: 22
    0
    Hello everyone, but you can compare tovarischi tank crews.
    about the birdhouse - Earlier, leaning out of the hatch - nothing but the tank helmet sent the head of the tank.
    From nothing.
    Though throw a grenade into the hatch.
    1 vryatli com. Tanka sits high in the birdhouse there.
    2 is 100 percent better than a helmet.
    You can watch 3 in all directions - even under fire and 100 percent through triplex.
    4 hundred pounds it is mounted on the hatch - and opens as before as a hatch.
    5 I’m not a tanker - but - everyone who from the hatches of an armored personnel carrier of 80 lined up dumped rake from the deer from the dear.
    6 all who fell from the side - survived.
    7 machine gun from a birdhouse 200 percent can work from the button - com. tank there may not climb under fire.
    8 after a march of 50 km I didn’t have that PKM-t - the KPVT refused to polish cleanly - 2 baskets and poking - there with 2 kg of sand and clay - while you are walking in the convoy, you get enough.
    9 2 boxes of KPVT out of 10 - it just seems - and then the soldiers and mechanics believed in you - and you, like a pregnant woman, have a delay, but there seems to be another 8.
    10 But the dump stuck it in the ground and mines are torn before you - I am silent about the demolition of the house.
    11 a booty with a net - it’s not so heated, and an RPG and a grenade 1 - 2 will hold
    12 and you tried to look beyond the intersection where the floor of the house fell - and the height of the dam was 2 meters - either on foot or a birdhouse.
    13 and why everyone thinks that the tank lump climbed into the birdhouse on the heels - and from 12,7 sniper gun a grenade thrower is also marked in it. And did the mehan for the marozhenny go? Oh what will happen? oh after hitting?
    14 death - can not be avoided - but an extra tool - does not hurt.
    15th what became the high profile of the tank from the birdhouse - for the grenade launcher in the city from the 12th floor.

    Veterans - write a case
  43. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 3 June 2016 07: 28
    0
    Why not based on the T-90?
  44. General Frost
    General Frost 3 June 2016 07: 38
    0
    Quote: Korgot
    IMHO a mixture of a bulldog with a rhino ...

    Well, yes, everything is true, not a "Azov". Where are we to "Maydaun" geniuses wassat
    Respectfully to all forum users hi
  45. Slon_on
    Slon_on 3 June 2016 10: 39
    +2
    I dare to insert my 5 kopecks. Such kits are necessary primarily for conventional linear tank units, because it is impractical to form specialized tank units specifically for urban battles. As a rule, tanks in the city are used as a means of reinforcing the infantry, without the infantry in the city tanku - karachun. Therefore, the "urban kit" must be "sharpened" for this. Those. provide additional protection, increased visibility, communication with the infantry and, be quickly mounted by the crew. Yes "Terminators" etc. good for the city, but they are somewhere, but the city is here and it must be taken, here is the "city kit" and come in handy, so it will be brought up from the regimental rear. Moreover, they will throw more OFs. Well, something like this.
    With regards to the "birdhouse", of course, it is controversial, in my opinion the shield asks for the "Cliff".
  46. air wolf
    air wolf 3 June 2016 12: 34
    0
    The turret of the commander, just the target for the RPG laughing
    1. Nikolaysobakin
      Nikolaysobakin 3 June 2016 12: 41
      0
      oh what became the high profile of the tank from the birdhouse - for the rocket launcher in the city from 12 floors. And before - the whole tank was invisible ... and now the goal is direct
  47. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 June 2016 13: 51
    0
    If we talk about the assault on the city (hard), then we need an assault vehicle of the ISU-152 type. The most reserved version of the T-72 with an armor plate and a 152mm gun with an average barrel length, with all types of booking and Remote modules with 12,7mm and 30mm grenade launchers.