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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov tried to explain why Russia does not recognize the independence of the DNI and the LC

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The website of the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper is broadcasting an interview with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov. Any of the site visitors or newspaper readers had (has) the opportunity to ask Sergey Viktorovich their question. The event "Komsomolskaya Pravda" is called “Ask Lavrov”.


One of the questions that went to the head of Russian diplomacy related to the issue of non-recognition by the Russian Federation of the DNR and the LC. The question was this: why has Russia still not recognized the people's republics of Donbass as modeled on South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

According to Lavrov, Russia does not carry out recognition, as it expects Kiev to fulfill the Minsk agreements. Sergey Lavrov noted that Russia is not going to slam the door, threatening Kiev with the recognition of the DNI and the LC, and is not going to, in principle, repeat the mistakes of those who do not know how to use diplomatic and political tools.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov tried to explain why Russia does not recognize the independence of the DNI and the LC


Sergei Lavrov:
I am convinced that it will be counterproductive, that at least it will give a reason to move away from the current, even such "gentle" position of pressure on Kiev. This document (the Minsk Agreement) now no one can oppose to anything, it can not be questioned. If we now say that our patience is exhausted, we will go the other way, they will say: “fine”, then the West will not exert any influence on the current Ukrainian government.


Does the West put due pressure on Kiev now? - that is the question. The territory of the DPR is subjected to daily attacks from the Ukrainian side. On the night of Tuesday 31 in May, the Ukrainian security forces once again fired at the northern suburb of Donetsk and the Yasinovatskoy junction area. Gorlovka environs were also subjected to mortar shelling. From the statement of Eduard Basurin (quote DAN):
From about half of 11-th until midnight yesterday, the Ukrainian side fired at the Yasinovatsk roadblock, the Volvo-Center neighborhood, the Donetsk airport and the Veselee village of 82 and 120 mm mortars.
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  1. Vend
    Vend 31 May 2016 13: 49
    +26
    Our people are able to think a few moves ahead. Just when you don’t understand something, you begin to doubt the correctness of the decisions. An obvious solution, our enemies can calculate. So we need not an obvious and not even the right decision, but a victorious decision. And apparently, Russia has it.
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 31 May 2016 13: 53
      +22
      I think until 2017, the valley will stretch. Moscow apparently hopes that Ukraine without collapse of the militia will fall apart.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 31 May 2016 13: 59
        +15
        Sergey Lavrov tried to explain why Russia does not recognize the independence of the DPR and LPR
        - Only in Crimea how much money had to be thrown in, which is very sensitive for all our "successes" of the liberals. In the Donbass, they could specifically overstrain. There is a healthy grain here. Although how to say ... - After all, the Donetsk people believed that Russia would take them away as Crimea, and now they are in a stalemate.
        1. rammjager
          rammjager 31 May 2016 14: 14
          +25
          But don’t they get a lot of money in the Donbass? Where does the ruble mass come from? And can you think Kiev is fulfilling the Minsk agreements? By the way, in the Donbass they are already beginning to slowly bewilderment about the Kremlin’s position.
          1. ALABAY45
            ALABAY45 31 May 2016 14: 46
            +1
            Maybe I don’t understand what, but what should be the position of the Kremlin ?!
            1. rammjager
              rammjager 31 May 2016 15: 01
              +10
              Yes-No. And do not fool people.
              1. ALABAY45
                ALABAY45 31 May 2016 15: 48
                +2
                And if "NO", then what will happen ?!
                1. rammjager
                  rammjager 31 May 2016 15: 57
                  +6
                  And if No, then there is nothing to yell at the whole world about the "Russian World." That's all.
                  1. ALABAY45
                    ALABAY45 31 May 2016 16: 23
                    +2
                    Well, that is, nothing will happen to us ?! And it pleases...!
                  2. Al1977
                    Al1977 1 June 2016 13: 15
                    -1
                    Quote: rammjager
                    And if No, then there is nothing to yell at the whole world about the "Russian World." That's all

                    "Russian world" is a community of people united by one language and values.
                    What does "Yes-NO" have to do with it. WHEN did Putin say YES? NEVER.
                    You confuse TV with propaganda, the task of which is to simplify geopolitics to the level of a friend or foe, so that its people would swallow. People need it easier. Fascist Soldier Defender. And not about the geopolitical games of obese and bored already from the authorities and unlimited access to the dough of the elite of power.
                  3. A. Vlasov
                    A. Vlasov 5 June 2016 06: 51
                    0
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Quote: Canecat There is no such hope, there is a big game with the West, where the mistakes of the West are our trump cards.

                    I agree. The game called Ukraine has been going on for decades. The West has taken it into account, like everything. A huge number of collaborators who remained after the war and were amnestied by Khrushchev. Their gradual seepage into power structures. And, as a result, the collapse of the USSR with the implementation of an "independent" state. But, their goal has not yet been fully achieved. Everyone understands that Ukraine is a mine under Russia. Therefore, demining is very careful. First of all, in my opinion, there should be a division of people and non-people in Ukraine. Why should we step on the same rake, leaving werewolves in the country. They give, in my opinion, time. Some will kill each other, others will leave for the West, blessed for them, others will simply become visible.


                    And if people are all destroyed during this period?
      2. Cananecat
        Cananecat 31 May 2016 14: 05
        +9
        There is no such hope, there is a big game with the West, where the mistakes of the West are our trump cards. It is not enough to hold a referendum among the inhabitants of LNR, it will be necessary to wait a couple more years until the de-militarization of these regions takes place. Only then will it be possible to raise the issue of accession.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 31 May 2016 14: 26
          +9
          Quote: Canecat There is no such hope, there is a big game with the West, where the mistakes of the West are our trump cards.

          I agree. The game called Ukraine has been going on for decades. The West has taken it into account, like everything. A huge number of collaborators who remained after the war and were amnestied by Khrushchev. Their gradual seepage into power structures. And, as a result, the collapse of the USSR with the implementation of an "independent" state. But, their goal has not yet been fully achieved. Everyone understands that Ukraine is a mine under Russia. Therefore, demining is very careful. First of all, in my opinion, there should be a division of people and non-people in Ukraine. Why should we step on the same rake, leaving werewolves in the country. They give, in my opinion, time. Some will kill each other, others will leave for the West, blessed for them, others will simply become visible.
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 31 May 2016 20: 02
            +2
            Quote: avva2012
            First of all, in my opinion, there should be a division in Ukraine of people and nonhumans. Why do we step on the same rake, leaving werewolves in the country.

            It is known that in any country 10-15% of passionate, active people rule the mood, the rest of the mass is "muscular", where the weather vane turns.
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        2. Pushkar77
          Pushkar77 31 May 2016 14: 50
          +3
          Demilitarization by itself will never pass there, not for that the mattresses there have swelled billions of greens to take all this and leave it. At the moment, militarization on the part of ukrovoyak is only growing, along with fierce anger and hatred. The operation to remove this swollen will have to be done by anyone, otherwise it will grow and destroy everything there.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 31 May 2016 14: 59
            +1
            Quote: Pushkar77 Demilitarization by itself will never pass there for the wrong mattress mattresses; there were billions of green ones that swelled

            There is hope for Anglo-Saxon snobbery. The habit of looking at people, like a microbiologist at bacteria, "damn, how interesting, but they still twitch!"
            The psychology of the descendants of the punitive and Bandera should be specific. The current ones, because they were brought up by their grandfathers, fathers, heroes. The punisher is a marauder and a killer. What kind of psychology is he? Shaw not eat ...
            The Queen of Rats has already been thrown, what's next?
          2. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 16: 38
            0
            Quote: Pushkar77
            not for that the mattresses there swelled billions of green

            in fact it is not so much. Not the money to protect your investment until the last hoxla. And absolutely a penny in geopolitical poker.
          3. boris-1230
            boris-1230 31 May 2016 21: 32
            0
            not for that the mattresses there swelled billions of green
            I will continue:
            to give Crimea to Russia!
            hi
        3. Al1977
          Al1977 31 May 2016 17: 36
          +2
          Quote: Canecat
          There is no such hope, there is a big game with the West,

          And why do we live worse as a result of this game? They are bored, they play, and we have an average salary in the country of 200 bucks. In America and Europe, 10 times more. Ours that do not know how to play football, that in hockey, that politics.
        4. atalef
          atalef 31 May 2016 21: 30
          +1
          Quote: Canecat
          it will be necessary to wait a couple more years until the de-militarization of these regions takes place.

          How will it happen?
      3. Altona
        Altona 31 May 2016 14: 12
        +14
        Quote: Sith Lord
        I think until 2017, the valley will stretch. Moscow apparently hopes that Ukraine without collapse of the militia will fall apart.

        --------------------
        Here the diplomatic meaning is that the DPR and LPR are in a quasi-state, as it were, within Ukraine, but in a state of internal conflict. That is, Ukraine is a country with an internal conflict and undecided borders, which gives it the right, or rather does not give it the right to join NATO, the EU and other international organizations that are unfriendly to us. The recognition of the DPR and LPR will lead, in general, to an open conflict. A stub of Ukraine (or rather the former Ukrainian SSR) will become, or rather, it will quickly become a NATO protectorate like Georgia. Well, everything else. We will be accused of supporting the LDNR, the republics can also be declared "terrorist". How their fantasy will play there. This is the only way to explain the official non-recognition of the DPR and LPR, de facto we recognized them long ago.
        1. Lieutenant Izhe
          Lieutenant Izhe 31 May 2016 15: 01
          +1
          Ukrainian "federalization" opens a narrow-winding international legal path for the self-determination of regions ...
          THIS does not suit the modern Ukrainian "elite", because..
          the entry of their estates into Russia will seriously Worsen their situation!
          1. Vend
            Vend 31 May 2016 15: 24
            0
            Quote: Lieutenant Izhe
            Ukrainian "federalization" opens a narrow-winding international legal path for the self-determination of regions ...
            THIS does not suit the modern Ukrainian "elite", because..
            the entry of their estates into Russia will seriously Worsen their situation!

            You are right, but only who will ask them. This path is the only way the US can get out of the situation and save what is left of the face. laughing
          2. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 16: 51
            0
            Quote: Lieutenant Izhe
            THIS does not suit the modern Ukrainian "elite", FOR ..
            the entry of their estates into Russia will seriously Worsen their situation!

            and do not give a damn? Anyway, the relevance of all these fantasies about “joining Russia” is zero.
        2. atalef
          atalef 31 May 2016 21: 33
          +3
          Quote: Altona
          Here the diplomatic meaning is that the DPR and LPR are in a quasi-state, as it were, as part of Ukraine, but in a state of internal conflict. That is, Ukraine is a country with an internal conflict and undetermined borders, which gives the right, or rather does not give it the right to join NATO, the EU and other international organizations,

          so what ? And so they would not have entered there in the next 15 years.
          And the question is, what is worse, the country of NATO (such as the Baltic near) or Ukraine - hating Russia?
          Quote: Altona
          This is the only way to explain the official non-recognition of the DPR and LPR, de facto, we have long recognized them.

          De facto - the people of these republics are held by Russia as hostages, promised - the people were addicted, but it turns out they are cold-blooded so that Ukraine does not join the EU.
          Just how much patience does the people have?
          1. Winnie76
            Winnie76 1 June 2016 07: 25
            -1
            Quote: atalef
            De facto - the people of these republics are held by Russia as hostages, promised - the people took the lead

            An example of promises in the studio !!!!
            1. atalef
              atalef 1 June 2016 07: 32
              +1
              Quote: Winnie76
              Quote: atalef
              De facto - the people of these republics are held by Russia as hostages, promised - the people took the lead

              An example of promises in the studio !!!!

              Google to help, even too lazy to look
      4. friend of animals
        friend of animals 31 May 2016 14: 15
        +4
        Stupid idea, if so. The USA and Europe will pull Ukraine even to their own detriment.
      5. Nsk 54
        Nsk 54 31 May 2016 14: 28
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        I think until 2017, the valley will stretch. Moscow apparently hopes that Ukraine without collapse of the militia will fall apart.

        There is no such hope. Moreover, Moscow will not allow the collapse of Ukraine. Where will the millions of refugees go? Who will the Western media blame? It would be better at least some state than its absence.
      6. RUSS
        RUSS 31 May 2016 14: 57
        +1
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Moscow apparently hopes that Ukraine without collapse of the militia will fall apart.

        Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in an interview with Komsomolskaya Pravda said that Moscow will not abandon the southeast of Ukraine.

        “We do not abandon the south-east of Ukraine, do not forget about it and very actively support it,” Lavrov said.

        He recalled that Russia provides humanitarian aid to the Donbass, helps to solve economic problems, and ensure the vital activity of the territory. The head of the foreign ministry also emphasized that a number of countries, including Great Britain, France and Germany, volunteered to resolve the problem of banking services in the Donbass, but were unable to do this and Russia is now doing this.
      7. atalef
        atalef 31 May 2016 21: 29
        +2
        Quote: Sith Lord
        I think until 2017, the valley will stretch.

        And further - further
        Quote: Sith Lord
        I am. Moscow apparently hopes that Ukraine without collapse of the militia will fall apart.

        Yes, Ukraine will not fall apart, this was expected in 2014 and 15 and 16.
        Russia simply doesn’t know what to do - a suitcase without a handle, it’s a pity to leave, it’s hard to carry it.
        And Poroshenko is in no hurry. and where should he rush?
    2. Karasik
      Karasik 31 May 2016 14: 19
      +5
      Quote: Wend
      ... So we need not an obvious and not even the right decision, but a victorious decision. And apparently, Russia has it.

      I'd like to hope that there is such a solution. Already 2 of the year this bagpipes has been stretching, you subconsciously understand that everything should end well, but it’s still sour in my soul. And there is one reason - Russian people are dying.
      The Minsk agreements are a sword of Damocles for the Kiev authorities. Their implementation (in letter, and not in the free interpretation of the Kiev gang) - means the collapse of this gang itself. Therefore, they are not fulfilled. The main question is how to make it?
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 31 May 2016 15: 10
        +6
        The whole history of the outskirts originates in the ugly foreign policy of the Russian Federation for 25 years, regarding the post-Soviet republics.
        Our "great" leadership has managed to grow a hostile state with a reactionary regime at its side from a fraternal republic.
    3. GradusHuK
      GradusHuK 31 May 2016 15: 03
      +1
      Words, words, words. Everything ingenious is simple! We philosophize for a long time! People die and this is not excusable !.
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    5. okunevich_rv
      okunevich_rv 1 June 2016 06: 22
      -1
      For example, in the case of the contingent's entry into the territory of the LPR and the DPR, it is not limited to the seizure of recognized republics, but is already cleared of contamination to the border with neighboring states. Our Kiev :)
      Joke. Or not :)
      S. Lavrov knows the truth, I see through the eyes.
  2. Dave36
    Dave36 31 May 2016 13: 55
    +8
    Well, yes ... we twist assholes everywhere ... Spy tactics are good, no doubt, but not for the long term ..
    1. izGOI
      izGOI 31 May 2016 14: 33
      -1
      Quote: Dave36
      Well, yes ... we twist assholes everywhere ... Spy tactics are good, no doubt, but not for the long term ..

      So for that diplomacy there exists, something to twist ... to make a profit for the country. Shvarnadzy and Kozyrkin counts.
  3. volodimer
    volodimer 31 May 2016 13: 56
    +3
    Yes, it is clear that there are plans for most of Ukraine, and not within the existing borders of LDNR.
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 31 May 2016 14: 34
      0
      Quote: volodimer
      Yes, it is clear that there are plans for most of Ukraine, and not within the existing borders of LDNR.

      We are waiting for November-December, something will give birth to a mattress and we will build a policy in accordance with realities.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 31 May 2016 14: 42
        +2
        July 1, 2014, what is the connection with the current situation?
  4. 23424636
    23424636 31 May 2016 13: 58
    +17
    You can not recognize but do everything for recognition. First open direct train. communication with Donetsk and Lugansk with Rostov Peter and Moscow, secondly, open bank transfers from Russia to Donbass and vice versa, how the system works in Crimea or through virtual non-banking systems or Hawala, open Russian post offices in large cities or any Russian postal agent for parcels and translations. This minimum of 3 points cannot be dolby from the department of Dima for 2 years. This is so difficult if in the country banks are run by guys like Gref, who are waiting for the sanctions to be relaxed.
    1. rammjager
      rammjager 31 May 2016 14: 17
      +3
      All this is done. While in small volumes, but nevertheless there are some shifts. People get tired of uncertainty.
    2. Altona
      Altona 31 May 2016 14: 31
      +12
      Quote: 23424636
      This is so difficult if in the country banks are run by guys like Gref, who are waiting for the sanctions to be relaxed.

      --------------------
      Lyosha Kudrin began his "structural reform" with "easing geopolitical tensions." Like, let's hand over the Russian people wholesale and retail and live as before. This is what the rogues dream of, in money, as before, to swim and hang out beautifully. And you don't have to do anything almost, got a wagon of money, give half a wagon to Omeriga, under "government bonds". And Gref, in general, feeds on the old woman's money and all that is possible.
    3. sgazeev
      sgazeev 31 May 2016 14: 36
      +3
      Quote: 23424636
      You can not recognize but do everything for recognition. First open direct train. communication with Donetsk and Lugansk with Rostov Peter and Moscow, secondly, open bank transfers from Russia to Donbass and vice versa, how the system works in Crimea or through virtual non-banking systems or Hawala, open Russian post offices in large cities or any Russian postal agent for parcels and translations. This minimum of 3 points cannot be dolby from the department of Dima for 2 years. This is so difficult if in the country banks are run by guys like Gref, who are waiting for the sanctions to be relaxed.

      It seems that through South Ossetia all things are spinning.
    4. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 16: 44
      -1
      Quote: 23424636
      You can not recognize but do everything for recognition. First open direct train. communication with Donetsk and Lugansk with Rostov Peter and Moscow, secondly, open bank transfers from Russia to Donbass and back

      in short, as I understand it, to pretend that nothing is happening. It’s stupid to take an incomprehensible quasi-state entity on the balance of the Russian budget.
    5. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 16: 46
      0
      Quote: 23424636
      guys like Gref, who are waiting for sanctions to loosen.

      everyone is waiting for this in the vertical, let’s do it without illusions. And populist chatter - on havchik people.
    6. Lens
      Lens 31 May 2016 23: 29
      0
      How can you not understand that all these actions will be another "red rag" for the bull (USA EUROPE). And then the sanctions do not come to naught, but start a new round. Etc
  5. trantor
    trantor 31 May 2016 14: 03
    +7
    The situation is really dead-end, and it may be beneficial for us to "freeze" this conflict. There is only one concern - too much of this "permafrost" around us and with our participation is formed. Someday it will all explode.
  6. SklochPensioner
    SklochPensioner 31 May 2016 14: 05
    0
    If we now say that our patience has run out, we will go the other way, they will say: “great,” then the West will not have any impact on the current Ukrainian government.


    The answer is for this very West. Waiting for something. And - and we and the West ... What only?
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      1. SklochPensioner
        SklochPensioner 31 May 2016 14: 58
        +1
        Everything can be ... But THIS we do not expect, for sure laughing
  7. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 31 May 2016 14: 05
    +1
    La-la-la. The minus is shorter.
  8. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 31 May 2016 14: 12
    0
    One of the questions that went to the head of Russian diplomacy concerned the issue of non-recognition by the Russian Federation of the DPR and LPR.
    Not every simple question implies a simple and unambiguous answer, and not all information from these diplomatic games and intrigues is available to us. And the ministry, headed by Sergei Lavrov, knows its work well and conducts our foreign policy "line" very effectively. Good luck to them!
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 May 2016 23: 11
      0
      Quote: LÄRZ
      One of the questions that went to the head of Russian diplomacy concerned the issue of non-recognition by the Russian Federation of the DPR and LPR.
      Not every simple question implies a simple and unambiguous answer.

      Are you sure that each question has a unique answer?
      Well, as an example, answer - yes or not -
      Have you stopped drinking in the morning? laughing
  9. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 31 May 2016 14: 15
    +4
    Russia does not recognize, as it expects Kiev to comply with the Minsk agreements.
    According to "Minsk", Ukraine is returning control over all Donbass sections of the border. I consider this a "bottleneck" in the agreements (then you can forget about military assistance to Donbass).
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 31 May 2016 14: 46
      +4
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Russia does not recognize, as it expects Kiev to comply with the Minsk agreements.
      According to "Minsk", Ukraine is returning control over all Donbass sections of the border. I consider this a "bottleneck" in the agreements (then you can forget about military assistance to Donbass).

      Ensure an immediate bilateral cessation of the use of weapons. Kiev does not comply. Ensure monitoring and verification by the OSCE of the regime of non-use of weapons. The OSCE does not comply. Decentralize power, including by adopting the Law of Ukraine "On the temporary procedure for local self-government in certain areas of Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts "(Law on special status). Kiev will never fulfill.
      Provide ongoing monitoring on the Ukrainian-Russian border and verification by the OSCE with the creation of a security zone in the border regions of Ukraine and the Russian Federation. The failure of Kiev and the OSCE to fulfill the above three points about the fourth can be forgotten.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 31 May 2016 15: 25
        0
        Indeed, the Minsk accords will then be strictly observed when the sky falls to the ground or Borisfen flows backwards. So we have a big tactical pause providing freedom of maneuver and the advancement of our will. And if Poroshenko-Obama wants to work around, then they can get a lot of I think it’s more to lose than to gain. True, a series of negotiations between Surkov and American diplomacy are actively underway. I would like to wish our concessions and unprofitable compromises.
    2. A. Vlasov
      A. Vlasov 5 June 2016 07: 05
      0
      And there will be no one to help! All will be destroyed in a short time, especially if, on our side, the border is closed ...
  10. Skubudu
    Skubudu 31 May 2016 14: 27
    +4
    Why are Russians in LDNR worse than Russians in Crimea?
    Sanctions against the Russian Federation will not be canceled anyway.
    If you do not send troops, then at least strike retaliation against troops of Ukropia that violate the ceasefire, for example:
    from the village of Salozhralnya, artillery 404 fired at the village of Russkoye in the LPNR ... Ivanov, II, who turned out to be a citizen of the Russian Federation who came to stay, died under fire. In response, directly from the territory of the Russian Federation, let Iskander in line with the position of the ukpropopitheks who killed a citizen of the Russian Federation. In general, to destroy all the accumulations of Khokhlstanskaya equipment on the border of the LPNR with missile strikes, and say that this is "NOT US"
    1. Lens
      Lens 31 May 2016 23: 36
      0
      Are you seriously considering such a scenario or blah blah blah as a child? If this happens, then Lavrov's next interview will begin with the words "I am leaving the post ...." He is already sandwiched between the anvil and the hammer, and your proposal is ... In general, I have no words - come up with it yourself!
  11. friend of animals
    friend of animals 31 May 2016 14: 38
    +3
    Lavrov maneuvers between heated public opinion in Russia and the position of the West. The conflict is frozen so as not to make this choice. But you still have to do it. And then they will tell us on TV either about the improving Ukraine, or about the decaying West. Both options are not very pleasant to listen to.

    It remains to freeze the conflict for twenty years and leave others to rake. But people living in such territories cannot be envied.
  12. Fame
    Fame 31 May 2016 14: 47
    0
    Russia may begin to implement the Minsk agreements. those. all military. equipment and mines / art calculations found on a demilitarized line destroy all available means. Let obsey then fix and disassemble
    1. SklochPensioner
      SklochPensioner 31 May 2016 15: 04
      +2
      Quote: Shuhrat
      Russia may begin to implement the Minsk agreements. those. all military. equipment and mines / art calculations found on a demilitarized line destroy all available means.

      Well, YOU see it like that. And many in Russia, too, I think)
      However, POLICY, ... t!
      At the same time, I am sure that there would be no victims among civilians and militias smile
    2. Lens
      Lens 31 May 2016 23: 38
      0
      And what to destroy? Indeed, according to the Minsk agreements, heavy weapons should not be on both sides! Will you order tanks to shoot from Kalash?
      1. A. Vlasov
        A. Vlasov 5 June 2016 07: 45
        0
        Chinese air conditioners and mobile phones to help us repeat
  13. rudolff
    rudolff 31 May 2016 14: 51
    +8
    Recognizing the election of Poroshenko under the current and legal president of Ukraine, we essentially recognized the results of the fascist coup in Kiev and contributed to their legitimization. And stopping the Minsk-1 militia attack on Mariupol, they saved the current Kiev government from total defeat. Well, now we have what it has. Poker face. A good face on a bad game.
  14. Mestny
    Mestny 31 May 2016 14: 56
    +1
    Quote: Altona
    Lyosha Kudrin began his "structural reform" with "easing geopolitical tensions."

    He has not started anything yet. Just suggested.
    Do not rush to scream all is lost.
    "When they beat you, you will cry"
  15. rica1952
    rica1952 31 May 2016 15: 36
    +7
    That is why they are not considered and will not be considered with our country.
  16. Aleksander
    Aleksander 31 May 2016 15: 38
    +9
    History shows that there is no such supreme meaning and secret wise knowledge that leaders supposedly possess: the same, in general terms, is known and ordinary people. Moreover, ordinary people will ALWAYS be much smarter than their leaders, knowing what to do right-the war and support to the aggressor would never have been allowed.

    There are a million examples: both the WWII and the Munich conspiracy, also had many steps, thoughtful statements, winks, but what ended up with? And ordinary people, knowing the same thing (most important) as the leaders, would have acted completely differently.

    And based on these considerations, I think that Russia's attitude to New Russia dishonestly: it was necessary to recognize, like Crimea, otherwise there is neither logic nor honesty.
    1. A. Vlasov
      A. Vlasov 5 June 2016 07: 47
      0
      Let's fix it - the Russian authorities ... hi
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  17. Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 31 May 2016 15: 50
    -2
    Quote: skarl
    You have relatives there in Donetsk and Krasnoarmeysk, and we live there !!!!! And every day we feel these atrocities of the Ukrainian fascists, here you have all the sources of information ... and we take them (sources) from our own lives ... It’s easy to be clever while hundreds or thousands of kilometers from the events ... Welcome to us .. Let's show our airport for example ...


    Scarl, so go and fight. Or do I owe you?
  18. Al1977
    Al1977 31 May 2016 16: 41
    0
    It seems to me alone that he carries this nonsense for the ordinary population, who believes everything that they would not say. And there is a completely different game.
    By the way, how do you like the main idiologist of the fight against ukro-fascists on our TV:
    http://primechaniya.ru/home/politics/13064/13447/
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 17: 08
      +2
      Quote: Al1977
      By the way, how do you like the main idiologist of the fight against ukro-fascists on our TV:

      No way. Ass and pocket verbiage. Are you still watching "Sunday evening"? He already resembles "Spotlight Perishilton" - the same, the same. Boys are invited for a beat and, to the hooting of the hall, they are lined with rough emery. And the moderator in a stylized jacket is either Kerensky, or (ts-ss-ss ...)
      1. Dr. Sorge
        Dr. Sorge 31 May 2016 17: 56
        +5
        Do you remember how in 2014 all the shirts tore on themselves? Yes, we, yes now ... That's it, the diplomats dispersed to diplomacy, they are comfortable and calm. After August 2014 I do not watch these "evenings" either. Emptiness and verbiage.
  19. Grave With Cross 3
    Grave With Cross 3 31 May 2016 16: 44
    -4
    But the opinion of Strelkov.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 16: 55
      -1
      Quote: Grave With Cross 3
      But the opinion of Strelkov

      where without him. Did you watch the video yourself? Nothing at all.
    2. Bramb
      Bramb 31 May 2016 17: 12
      +1
      How Ukrainians scared a pensioner with a shotgun! )))
      Until now, they cannot move away from fear. Probably again full of Turkish (which you pass off as your own) bloomers from hatred? )))
      The whole hohloarmiya trembled before a pensioner and 50 local hunters with berdanks! And still afraid! Military, itt.)))
  20. Bramb
    Bramb 31 May 2016 17: 07
    -2
    And the jumping monkeys still claim that it is the separatists who are firing on themselves?
    And how do they relate to the OSCE and the French, who officially declared that not only the Russian army was not there, but even preparations for the invasion were not noticed.
    There are hard-black macaques here, I know. Answer or, as always, creep into the habit of habit?
  21. Flipman
    Flipman 31 May 2016 17: 07
    +1
    in the Minsk agreements there is not a word about Russia! then I apologize to ask what kind of goblin against the Russian Federation sanctions were introduced due to the fact that the Russian Federation does not fulfill the conditions ?!
  22. Chulman
    Chulman 31 May 2016 17: 20
    0
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    I think until 2017, the valley will stretch. Moscow apparently hopes that Ukraine without collapse of the militia will fall apart.

    And I am sure that the wall will stretch as long as the world-wide wall between Israel and Palestine.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 17: 26
      0
      Quote: Chulman
      as much as the world-famous valenka stretches between Israel and Palestine.

      well, at least about 140 states recognized Palestine. Even the Vatican.
  23. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 31 May 2016 17: 54
    +3
    The fact that during the Minsk "truces" people die every day, the great diplomats do not care about that ... They have everything arranged warmly and calmly ...
    What can I say?
    Helplessness is shown by diplomacy. Apparently someone does not allow.
  24. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 31 May 2016 18: 00
    +4
    "If we now say that our patience has run out, we will go the other way, they will say:" great, "then the West will not have any impact on the current Ukrainian government." Is the West exerting any pressure now? To kill the Russian world - yes. This is the west.
    And do we need it, is it the Western Pindyndos opinion?
  25. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 31 May 2016 20: 10
    +3
    You need to be a very stupid person to seriously, still believe that Bandera Dill will fulfill some kind of agreement.
  26. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 31 May 2016 20: 20
    0
    When is the war planned?
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 21: 18
      +3
      Quote: Denis-Skiff
      When is the war planned?

      read comments IN: she is already coming. We are winning. The adversary trembles and retreats.
  27. Ros 56
    Ros 56 31 May 2016 21: 10
    +1
    You can argue as much as you like, but besides relatives and just people, there is still a big policy where, alas, such categories are not taken into account. Here, the interests of the state, or rather leading politicians and big business, are involved, on which the fate of the state and peoples ultimately depends on the state inhabiting it. Well, tell me, who in the same Europe listens to the opinions of ordinary people, despite all their protests. And only as a last resort, when people take up arms, something begins to change, and even then it is not known which way judged by Ukraine.
  28. Straight
    Straight 1 June 2016 00: 01
    +5
    The Kremlin’s position is Ukraine’s internal conflict, civil war. But why then the Kremlin officially recognizes the Bandera side of the conflict and does not recognize the Donbass. I’ll say right away to the opponents - Putin met officially with Poroshenko more than once, but never with Zakharchenko !!!
    1. nik230794
      nik230794 1 June 2016 00: 27
      +2
      But you're right ...
  29. Mentat
    Mentat 1 June 2016 22: 41
    0
    Quote: Al1977
    Quote: Wend
    I guess what will happen.

    I propose to bet on 200 dollars, say in a year. Ready? Only honestly. We are negotiating now, in a personal account. Here we declare openly that there wouldn’t be any then ... Ready ????

    A year is too small a gap. The situation so radically cannot change over this period.

    Russia, of course, will not allow the fragmentation of Ukraine. The gradual involvement of the DPR and LPR in close financial and economic cooperation will be taken, and steps have already been taken in this direction, including at the regional legislative level, however, we will not allow any Western “unnecessary” regions from Ukraine to be allocated. For many reasons. From geopolitical to ethical and legal. These borders are fixed on the basis of the Second World War, Russia absolutely firmly adheres to the inviolability of these agreements, believing that the stability of modern society is largely based on them.

    The current regime of the Ukrainian junta will be gradually squeezed out, and criminal and criminal elements under the law will be prosecuted and publicly prosecuted for war crimes, crimes against childhood and then on a long list. The process is not fast, but inevitable.
  30. Mentat
    Mentat 1 June 2016 22: 49
    0
    Quote: Direct
    The Kremlin’s position is Ukraine’s internal conflict, civil war. But why then the Kremlin officially recognizes the Bandera side of the conflict and does not recognize the Donbass. I’ll say right away to the opponents - Putin met officially with Poroshenko more than once, but never with Zakharchenko !!!

    Because Putin is not just a popular politician, but an official. The summit is held on certain principles and is in itself a strong geopolitical “statement”.

    Russia stands for the indivisibility of Ukraine. Without current junta. Ukraine may become federal, but Russia cannot allow it to turn into small fragments, on which complete chaos and chaos will begin. That would be much, much worse. First of all, for people who would be in the zone of economic, humanitarian, legal and social catastrophe.
  31. A. Vlasov
    A. Vlasov 5 June 2016 05: 52
    0
    Quote: Wend
    Quote: captain
    You spoke wisely, of course, but there is one caveat, they kill Russian people. Our leaders made two very big mistakes (I understand that it is easy to be "smart" later, but some politicians wrote about it at that time): they recognized the elections of Poroshenko and did not allowed the militias to continue their attack on Mariupol. As a result, they saved Ukraine and imposed sanctions on themselves.

    I don’t know what sources you use, but I have relatives there in Donetsk and Krasnoarmeysk. I get first-hand information. In Donetsk, everyone is already working. I’ll say more about shelling the Armed Forces of Ukraine, there is immediately given an artillery response and very accurate. Regarding the recognition of Poroshenko, well, they would not have recognized him, then what? Would he cease to be president? And as for stopping the onset of the militia, there was no strength for that. Rush forward and be hit? Time works against Ukraine, but for Russia and the DPR and LPR. Any military action leads to loss, destruction and hatred. Those losses that are now disproportionately small in comparison with those that would be on the offensive. And now more and more often the regions of Ukraine declare decentralization. Ukraine will be destroyed by the hands of Ukrainians. And there, the part will become New Russia, then join Russia, and the Western woman will migrate from the West, where she will be absorbed.


    Who do you want to tell fairy tales to "from the first" of what? What kind of artovettes? Come here and be a "little loss"! Everything could have ended near Mariupol in 2014! You say there was no strength))) How many "small losses" were there during this time, how many civilians died, how many schools, gardens, houses were shot? How much shame have we, those who have weapons, experienced for the fact that we cannot protect those who believe in us? Tell me, strategy expert!