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How to protect the state symbols of Russia from "local designers"?

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How to protect the state symbols of Russia from "local designers"?



State symbols of Russia, such as the flag and emblem, require constant protection. Especially in the regions, periodically claiming “special rights” and “special status”, where “local rules” and “local symbols” have been implemented for decades, and the state authorities are not too carefully, voluntarily or involuntarily distorting them.

On the eve of the holiday 9 in May in Ufa in front of the building of the main heat and power plant of the city - CHP-1 hung the Russian flag. True, upside down. Nobody corrected. So he hung on Victory Day, while Ufa residents did not post photos on social networks (group BashDTP).

The version was expressed that, perhaps, on holidays, the thermal power station employees received a delegation from the Serbian Republic - after all, this is what the Serbia flag looks like. How to know, how to know ...


Alert Ufa residents posted in social networks photos of the Russian flag upside down in front of the city heat station

For example, during the celebration City Day The concert platform in front of the Ufa city administration building was decorated with banners depicting the flag ... of Bohemia and Moravia. Instead of white-blue-red stripes, as expected, there were white-red-blue, as on the flag of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (the territory of the current Czech Republic) - a state that no longer exists in 1945!




This case caused outrage of the audience and a lot of sarcastic comments on social networks. For example, Blondjew wrote: “the most“ blooper ”is that this“ flag ”was hanging for several days before the holiday in front of the windows of the city hall! those. ALL city officials watched him from the windows every day ... " Oleksandr horbunov commented like this: “don't worry already, choose ONE color, red, for example! Remember three different colors, and even consistently? NO! ”

By the way, after the holiday, girls from a youth organization appeared at the door of the Ufa administration, who distributed ribbons with a depiction of the Russian flag to employees of the institution, recalling what it actually looks like ...



Employees of the Ufa administration hand out ribbons with the colors of the Russian flag


There is a tendency with the flag, however ... Something natural for the region, where for a long time as part of the upbringing of “a citizen of sovereign Bashkortostan”, were claimed as state, other symbols — Salavat Yulaev and kurai.


The coat of arms of Russia ... Here the topic is a bit different.

I came across the fact that for some representatives of the local ethnocracy there are two heads of an eagle - a reason to cringe. This irony has its own tradition. I remember in my time the president of Bashkortostan Murtaza Rakhimov, setting his subordinates in a cheerful manner, publicly asked the question - what kind of bird is this? ..

I will not delve into interpretations and heraldry, but especially for local inquisitive minds I will note that the emblem has been of origin from the 15th century. By participating in the wars that Russia fought, the ancestors of the modern Bashkirs went into battle under the Russian flag and, accordingly, the double-headed eagle.

This symbol was present first on the seals of the units of the Bashkir-Mescheryaksky army, and after the formation of a separate Bashkir cavalry army - on the military banner. Under the double-headed eagle, the Bashkirs fought and died. Not under kuraem (umbrella plant, musical instrument). Although kurai is also a significant symbol for a certain part of people, which should be treated with care.



The seal of the 18 th yurt of the 11 th Bashkir canton of the Bashkir-Mescheryak army




Banner of the Bashkir Equestrian Army arr. 1891 of the year (front side)




Banner of the Bashkir Equestrian Army arr. 1891 of the year (downside)


But let us turn to the modern local “adjustments” of the state emblem. Recently I was presented with such a leaflet:




And now its most expressive fragments (from above - from the Appendix to the constitutional law “On the State Emblem of the Russian Federation”, from the bottom - “Ufa Design”).














The format of the leaflet is 26,5 x 20, i.e. close A4. Printed in typography (not a printer!). Output, of course, no. Nobody hangs up such leaflets on the fences, she walks her hands among "her own people", she came to me by chance. The ideas of such a “adjustment” of the state emblem are not new; they wrote about it in due time. But to replicate in the printing ... Hmm ...

Naturally, there are questions: where were they printed? on which equipment? on whose money? What is the circulation? Who is the author of the design? But I repeat the main question - why was it necessary to replicate? For what purpose, exactly? Who and what they wanted to prove?

If, for example, at home ... then you can even place your portrait in the center of the coat of arms. And admire. If you demonstrate such a “coat of arms” on the street, you may have natural questions. As well as cuffs and bruises ... If you are replicating, questions for you are of a completely different plan ...

I gave only a few examples from local practice. But this, I think, is enough.

State symbols are not nonsense, they are fundamental values. For a long time no one cared about them at all. I remember well the times when the Russian flag was torn from the Ufa television center. And no one then defended him. On the contrary, they fawned upon ... And those who did it were strongly encouraged (they still broadcast from the TV screens of Bashkir satellite television). That is, the problem, as it seems, is to a large extent a personnel property.

The carriers of state ideas are concrete people, statesmen (“first the interests of the Fatherland, then my personal ones”), it was they who created the great country. In Soviet times, they were her support, but then they were on the periphery. In “national regions” such people have been squeezed out of socially significant spheres of life for decades - politics, state administration, municipal government, education system, social sciences, toponymy and heraldry, museum business, book publishing, mass media (TV in the first place). Today we are reaping the benefits ...

Changes occur, but extremely slowly. According to my observations, in the “national regions” Moscow is late all the time. Sometimes for a year or two, sometimes for five. So you can not have time ...

So what to do next? To organize monitoring of state-significant symbols? Strengthen control?

Monitoring, of course, is necessary, but not only at the regional level, but without fail at the all-Russian one. I do not call for the creation of a special character protection service. There is an antimonopoly service (for example, the FAS recently defended the symbol "Motherland is calling!"). But, perhaps, it would be more effective to transfer special powers to protect state symbols to the Federal Agency for Nationalities, where experts are concentrated.

They, as they say, and the flag in hand. Both literally and figuratively.
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  1. siberalt
    siberalt 1 June 2016 15: 14
    +15
    What is there to do? If our Ministry of Education and Science churns out tens of thousands of such "designers" a year. lol They also need something to spread on bread.
    1. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 June 2016 15: 20
      +29
      But, perhaps, it would be more efficient to transfer special powers to protect state symbols to the Federal Agency for Nationalities, where specialists are concentrated.

      Specialists request The experts at us were buried by the exam. request
    2. poquello
      poquello 1 June 2016 15: 21
      +25
      Quote: siberalt
      What is there to do? If our Ministry of Education and Science churns out tens of thousands of such "designers" a year. lol They also need something to spread on bread.

      not but I didn’t understand the law

      Article 11
      The use of the State Emblem of the Russian Federation in violation of this Federal Constitutional Law, as well as abuse of the State Emblem of the Russian Federation shall entail liability in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 1 June 2016 15: 35
        +19
        But the answer is completely clear. No one is punished for distorting these symbols ... Because they are Russian. All these actions fit into the state policy of decontamination.
        1. poquello
          poquello 1 June 2016 15: 45
          +12
          Quote: Basarev
          But the answer is completely clear. No one is punished for the distortion of these characters ... Because they are Russian. All these actions fit into the state policy of decontamination.

          so the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the prosecutor’s office must be kicked, the artists quite deserved an administrative fine, this is a minimum in the absence of intent
          1. 31R-US
            31R-US 1 June 2016 17: 15
            +3
            The Ministry of Internal Affairs is already kicking everyone.
    3. Finches
      Finches 1 June 2016 15: 30
      +9
      Now the heroes of thought and spirit will come into power after the primaries therefore .... the show will continue! laughing

      But the thought of returning the one-color red flag is a good idea ... then Aurora will soon be in place ...! laughing

      But it is also possible in a peaceful way - the GDP will be appointed by the Secretary General, the Security Council - to expand and rename into the Politburo, those who disagree to be sent to the Gulag or executed! laughing

      But to be serious - the gray mass of the bureaucracy - this is Russia's misfortune!
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 1 June 2016 16: 00
        +7
        Quote: Finches
        after the primaries come the heroes of thought and spirit

        Truly Russian Knights will come, here they will restore order in Russia. From the shores of Misty Albion.
    4. Vend
      Vend 1 June 2016 15: 32
      +8
      Sometimes it is ignorance, and sometimes it is provocation. There are a lot of such so-called "blunders" and not only in relation to Russian symbols. You can remember the monument at the Belorussky railway station, with a German rifle instead of a Soviet one.
    5. your1970
      your1970 1 June 2016 18: 56
      +4
      in the days of the Russian Empire there was a formula - "besik" (white-blue-red)so that some village eagle does not hang a flag upside down ...
    6. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 1 June 2016 19: 43
      +3
      Quote: siberalt
      What is there to do? If our Ministry of Education and Science churns out tens of thousands of such "designers" a year. They also need to spread something on bread.
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      Allow me, Dear Colleague, to express my own point of view. I somewhat disagree with you regarding the Ministry of Education, although, like you, I consider the employees of this department exclusively to be "unsuccessful" in childhood. But as for the mockery of the Russian symbols, only officials of local administrations allowed themselves to do so. ALL WITHOUT EXCEPTIONS MEMBERS OF THE PARTY UNITED RUSSIA.
      Something like that, colleague. belay
      1. your1970
        your1970 1 June 2016 23: 37
        +1
        There are 22777 municipalities in the Russian Federation, the number of EP is 2,055 million, so even a hundred people do not go to the municipality '+ employees of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation + civil servants + politicians, military, businessmen and others ..
        So when you write `` All without exception '' - you are a little wrong ...
        1. Vladimir 1964
          Vladimir 1964 2 June 2016 17: 43
          0
          Quote: your1970
          There are 22777 municipalities in the Russian Federation, the number of EP is 2,055 million, so even a hundred people do not go to the municipality '+ employees of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation + civil servants + politicians, military, businessmen and others ..
          So when you write `` All without exception '' - you are a little wrong ...

          I will not argue, colleague, of course you are right, and the comment is, to a certain extent, quite emotional. But whatever one may say, "YADRO" ultimately plays a dominant role in the constituent entities and municipalities of the Russian Federation.
          Something like that, colleague. hi
          1. your1970
            your1970 2 June 2016 19: 11
            0
            Levchenko, Sergei Georgievich.Since April 1997 - member of the Central Committee of the Communist Party. Member of the Presidium of the Central Committee of the Communist Party since 2004.
            The governor of the Irkutsk region from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the first to get offhand not from EP ..
            I hope to argue that a new team always comes with a leader, will you not?
  2. Barakuda
    Barakuda 1 June 2016 15: 14
    +1
    Well EVERYTHING, all around again, again Masons .. Pushkin for example ..
    What to do ?
    In detail - a wabble for collectors (it's true. What a bunch of Jews there?). And for the people, For the Homeland, I think they’ll figure it out for themselves, for what banner! and no 3d printer will help.
  3. Greenwood
    Greenwood 1 June 2016 15: 15
    +13
    Oh, how comfortable it used to be. Red cloth and sickle with a hammer. Everything is simple and clear.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 1 June 2016 15: 21
      +11
      Quote: Greenwood
      Oh, how comfortable it used to be. Red cloth and sickle with a hammer. Everything is simple and clear.

      I agree with you!
      I’ll add only, then it was solemn and goosebumps.
      And now everything is popular.

      Well, for example, such crap ... Flag of Moscow Piskaryovka
      1. Greenwood
        Greenwood 1 June 2016 15: 29
        +9
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        then it was solemn and goosebumps.
        Well, yes, an uncomplicated red flag, in front of which the whole world was awed. The current Russian tricolor does not cause such reverence. Moreover, half of the countries of Eastern Europe have almost the same tricolors.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 1 June 2016 15: 35
          +15
          Quote: Greenwood
          Well, yes, an uncomplicated red flag, in front of which the whole world was awed.

          Soviet symbols were laconic and ideologically literate, because they represented the people's state.


          1. 34 region
            34 region 1 June 2016 16: 05
            +5
            Phantom Ace! 15.35. And this state did not try to get into the Western world at least on the sidelines. Although on the other hand. Today's ornithological symbolism also carries a hidden meaning. Chicken heads (brains) and raking wings (hands) reflect the essence of the current world order.
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          3. RUSS
            RUSS 1 June 2016 17: 16
            +1
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS
            Soviet symbols were laconic and ideologically literate, because they represented the people's state.

            Modern Banner of the Armed Forces of Russia combines Imperial and Soviet traditions.
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 1 June 2016 16: 24
          +3
          The multitude of characters is a sign of the stratification of the personality of both the individual and the states.
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 1 June 2016 16: 05
        +8
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        Well, for example, such crap ..

        Victor, and what does this squalor mean? Flag of a hospital with a psychiatric bias?
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 1 June 2016 16: 11
          +5
          Quote: EvgNik
          Victor, and what does this squalor mean? Flag of a hospital with a psychiatric bias?

          Hi Zhenya! drinks
          When I saw, I didn’t immediately understand either to laugh or to cry request
          Flag of Moscow region Piskaryovka St. Petersburg - green cloth with narrow stripes at the pole and the free edge, in the center is the composition of the coat of arms of the municipality of Piskaryovka: an eagle with branches and a garland.

          Characteristics

          County North West
          St. Petersburg Region
          CityPiskaryovka
          If you think about the heraldic symbols, then the hair stand on end in all places!
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 1 June 2016 16: 25
            +7
            Quote: PHANTOM-AS

            If you think about the heraldic symbols, then the hair stand on end in all places!

            Hello, Vit, not that word, not only hair - brains on end. And after all, someone considers this a masterpiece of thought.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 1 June 2016 16: 36
              +7
              Quote: EvgNik
              And after all, someone considers this a masterpiece of thought.

              And the worst thing is that we have such "creative thinkers" for tonsils.
              You know, I’m really really glad now that I was born in the USSR, lived, took the oath, studied, worked.
              Otherwise, I would not have known how it can be good, but how bad it can be!
        2. NordUral
          NordUral 1 June 2016 16: 26
          +3
          This is a flag of the plucked Russian Empire, as I see it.
          The flag of Russia should be red and only red!
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      4. RUSS
        RUSS 1 June 2016 18: 29
        +1
        Quote: PHANTOM-AS
        Well, for example, such crap ... Flag of Moscow Piskaryovka

        Flag of the municipal district Piskaryovka
        The green color of the banner, branches and garland indicate that the territory of the municipality has extensive landscaped spaces that provide an attractive appearance of the municipality and are of particular value in urban conditions.

        Three-part composition (branches, eagle, garland) indicates that the territory of the municipality includes not only the main part of Piskaryovka as the historical part of the city, but also the core of the historical Kushelevka, as well as a significant part of Ruchev.

        The white eagle and the green field are borrowed from the Kushelev family coat of arms. At the same time, the eagle is associated with the symbol of the apostle and evangelist John the Theologian, whose temple is an important element of the urban environment in the territory of the municipality. The white color of the eagle symbolizes purity.

        The garland, as a separate element, correlates with the monumental design of the memorial Piskaryovskoye cemetery and serves as a sign of eternal memory to the departed citizens, while the growing branches that close the composition at the top serve as a sign of fullness of life, renewal and development.
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 2 June 2016 01: 05
          +2
          Quote: RUSS
          Flag of the municipal district Piskaryovka
          The green color of the banner, branches and garland indicate

          I refer you to sane members of the forum, therefore, a quote to you: "In Islam, color as a symbol plays, first of all, ideological significance. Of course, the main color of Islam is green! This is the color of Muslim Paradise in symbolism, where it is believed to be the aspirations of every Muslim are directed. Green - we see in modernity on the flags and heraldry of Islam. "
        2. nobody14
          nobody14 2 June 2016 05: 06
          +1
          PISKAREVKA is a PISKAREVKA !!!!
          And placing eagles on the coat of arms is unacceptable.
          This place is identified only with the blockade, and not Kushelevym and John the Theologian.
  4. CORNET
    CORNET 1 June 2016 15: 15
    +9
    All this should be monitored by the relevant authorities ... And punish severely! And from school to teach children what and how it should look and what to designate ... That's all! hi
    1. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 1 June 2016 15: 23
      +5
      Quote: CORNET
      All this should be monitored by the relevant authorities ... And punish severely! And from school to teach children what and how it should look and what to designate ... That's all! hi


      Absolutely right! Not in vain in the Union in the elementary grades of children MANDATORY taught the country's anthem by heart. I can still sing. And now? You watch the start of a football match, the anthem plays. Of the whole team, two or three sing, the rest of the mouth out of bounds! am
  5. alexanderrzn
    alexanderrzn 1 June 2016 15: 16
    0
    for concern about article +, but I see nothing in this "creativity" except stupidity and tomfoolery.
  6. kit-kat
    kit-kat 1 June 2016 15: 19
    +6
    Well done. Thank you for the article.
  7. Bratan
    Bratan 1 June 2016 15: 20
    -7
    there will always be someone who is stupid can not remember the correct arrangement of colors, etc., do not flush
    1. kit-kat
      kit-kat 1 June 2016 16: 06
      +3
      This is not so harmless. At first, the colors are confused, but in the end they sell their homeland.
      1. dauria
        dauria 1 June 2016 16: 38
        +6
        At first, the colors are confused, but in the end they sell their homeland.


        You know, those who do not confuse anything, sell their homeland at least (and maybe more often fools).
    2. Koshak
      Koshak 1 June 2016 17: 39
      +1
      Quote: BratAn
      there will always be someone who is stupid can not remember the correct arrangement of colors, etc., do not flush

      When the tricolor was introduced, I found it easier to remember the KGB - red, blue, white.
      1. Belgorod
        Belgorod 1 June 2016 23: 59
        +1
        Why come up with?
        It has long been known - BeSiK
        A Dutch Crabs
  8. erased
    erased 1 June 2016 15: 22
    +31
    This flag was not to spoil anyone! And no one would risk it.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 1 June 2016 15: 30
      +15
      To see him over the Kremlin, ehh ...
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 1 June 2016 16: 29
        +5
        Quote: Greenwood
        To see him over the Kremlin

        And the red stars, hmm ...
        1. 34 region
          34 region 1 June 2016 16: 35
          +2
          Eugenic! 16.29. Have you seen the parade on May 9? There are already eagles instead of stars!
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 1 June 2016 21: 57
            +1
            Quote: 34 region
            Eugenic! 16.29. Have you seen the parade on May 9? There are already eagles instead of stars!

            These are eagles on the top of the towers of the State Historical Museum. After the restoration was completed in 1997, it was marked by the return to the main towers of the museum of exact copies of golden double-headed eagles.
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        6. RUSS
          RUSS 1 June 2016 18: 55
          +3
          Quote: EvgNik
          Quote: Greenwood
          To see him over the Kremlin

          And the red stars, hmm ...

          What is this?
      2. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 1 June 2016 16: 46
        +3
        Quote: Greenwood
        To see him over the Kremlin, ehh ...

        We’ll see, you can have no doubt, they saw Berlin and see the Kremlin.
    2. Barakuda
      Barakuda 1 June 2016 15: 32
      +4
      But why. We remember on occasion a bunch of pioneer ties of the USSR and the GDR (they are more burgundy, and the silk is not the same). They tailored the USSR flag. Coat of arms painted on a stencil. Do not dare .. amateurs. to hang out ... Zyuganov was in the bud, like our Simonenko. During the referendum on the USSR was the case.
      1. dauria
        dauria 1 June 2016 16: 31
        +4
        pioneer ties of the USSR and the GDR (they are more burgundy, and the silk is not the same


        In the GDR, the pioneer tie was blue. smile
        1. Barakuda
          Barakuda 1 June 2016 16: 57
          0
          I know, but burgundy people came to us, and in "Sporttovary" they cost 10 kopecks more. Ironed badly.
  9. roman72-452
    roman72-452 1 June 2016 15: 34
    +6
    Administrative, in the most severe cases, criminal liability, otherwise nothing.
    1. alexanderrzn
      alexanderrzn 1 June 2016 15: 41
      -2
      what is the criminal responsibility for? Here's an example of a photo with a screaming woman on the background of the tape. the organizers will simply say that this is a tape and has nothing to do with the flag. the problem is in the heads and upbringing, and not in the censorship, which you propose to tighten. it is better to let the censorship deal with the "free" press.
  10. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 1 June 2016 15: 34
    +4
    How to protect the state symbols of Russia from "local designers"?

    toughening of criminal punishment and increase in fines significantly.
  11. 34 region
    34 region 1 June 2016 15: 40
    +2
    An interesting arrangement of symbols on the paw on the right side. The star of David has a Muslim sickle, then an Orthodox cross. What is the hidden meaning of such symbolism? Here in the Soviet Union there was a sense, an alliance of workers and peasants, and a hidden one, an alliance of Islam (sickle) and Orthodoxy (hammer). And here?
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 1 June 2016 15: 57
      +3
      Quote: 34 region and hidden, the union of Islam (sickle) and Orthodoxy (hammer).

      And the hammer of Orthodoxy, how is it? For the first time I hear. I understand that even a sword looks like a cross, but here?
      1. 34 region
        34 region 1 June 2016 16: 16
        -1
        Avva2012! 15.57. The sword is like. But the sword and the symbol of war. And which religions are calling us to war (radical Islam does not count)? Hammer is a stylization. This intersection of the hammer and sickle is the cross. Although the country was atheistic, they did not go far from symbols. Although I am against religion, but here I have to admit the image. Some recognize male symbols in the hammer, and female symbols in the sickle. No wonder the worker and collective farmer together. By modern standards, this is the answer to the flag of rainbow colors.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 16: 27
          +1
          Quote: Region 34
          Hammer is a stylization. This intersection of the hammer and sickle is the cross.

          powerfully. Can you tell us about the Quality Mark? Masons not?
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 1 June 2016 16: 28
          +4
          Although I am against religion, but here I have to admit the image.

          You are confusing something. Heraldry is a historical discipline subject to certain rules. Symbols, including religious ones, are also subject to rules, but their own. The hammer and sickle, well, they do not fit as a symbol of the cross. And, not to mention that it is a symbol of communism, and therefore has nothing to do with religion. "Everything was confused in the Oblomskys' house."
          1. 34 region
            34 region 1 June 2016 16: 40
            0
            Avva! 16.28. Such subtleties are already for specialists. If there are any, let them enlighten. We are talking about hidden meanings in symbols. This is like symbolism of road signs. Each sign has its own meaning.
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 17: 18
              -8
              Quote: Region 34
              This is like symbolism of road signs.

              Quote: Region 34
              and Orthodoxy (hammer).
      2. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 16: 24
        -2
        Quote: Region 34
        and hidden, the union of Islam (sickle) and Orthodoxy (hammer)

        hidden meanings - they are everywhere ... laughing
        Quote: avva2012
        And the hammer of Orthodoxy, how is it? For the first time I hear. I understand that even a sword looks like a cross, but here?

        tau?
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 1 June 2016 16: 34
          +2
          tau?

          Apparently, yes. need to deepen:
          shear stress in the mechanics of continuous media;
          function in number theory τ (n) {\ displaystyle \ tau (n)} - the number of divisors of the number n;
          characteristic time;
          relaxation time;
          chemical shift (nuclear magnetic resonance);
          tau lepton;
          the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its radius;
          station interval in the operation of railways;
          transit time of the radio signal from the satellite to the receiver in satellite positioning;
          the speed of the transition process;
          average carrier mean free time in semiconductors.
          After all, does this also mean something? winked
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 17: 14
            0
            Quote: avva2012
            After all, does this also mean something?

            laughing
            no, I'm talking about the tau cross)
      3. Koshak
        Koshak 1 June 2016 17: 46
        0
        Quote: avva2012
        And the hammer of Orthodoxy, how is it? For the first time I hear. I understand that even a sword looks like a cross, but here?

        If you put a hammer deeper on the handle, it’s completely a cross.
    2. made13
      made13 1 June 2016 17: 12
      -1
      The star of David, inscribed in the power that the two-headed eagle holds from below, as conceived by the developers, as if hints that Russia (the eagle) holds Israel (the star of David) for w * pu (holds from below). wassat
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 17: 19
        +1
        Quote: made13
        The star of David, inscribed in the power that the two-headed eagle holds from below, as conceived by the developers, as if hints that Russia (the eagle) holds Israel (the star of David) for w * pu (holds from below). wassat

        pretty sick fantasy.
  12. 34 region
    34 region 1 June 2016 15: 53
    +5
    Soviet symbols are nevertheless more understandable and easily reproducible. Sickle, hammer, star. And try to quickly reproduce modern symbolism? Does the eagle need modern realities? The Soviet coat of arms was a transformation of the Russian double-headed eagle. Star-head, body-ball, wings-ears. Sickle and hammer union of denominations. In my opinion, the Soviet emblem looks more modern but does not fit the modern system. Maybe we need to create a modern coat of arms? More simple and concise. After all, today the symbols of Victory are changing - a red flag, a sickle and a hammer, a star. If you look closely at modern symbols, they are stylistically more like the symbols of our sworn friends. And no one is outraged that we erase (rewrite) our history. hi
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 1 June 2016 16: 37
      +6
      Quote: Region 34
      If you look closely at modern symbols, they are stylistically more like the symbols of our sworn friends.

      This too came to my head.
      Greetings Regi.
      Driving away, thinking - seditious thoughts. Not one, so I thought about it.
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 1 June 2016 15: 53
    +4
    We live in a country where, according to the constitution, everyone has rights and freedoms and no duties. No one is obliged to monitor compliance with the symbols, but everyone has the right to freely distort any symbols.
  14. Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 1 June 2016 15: 59
    +4
    The state is one and the color should be one. The tricolor was called the "commercial" flag under the king. The way it is
    I'm not going to argue with sofa marshals. And so everything is clear)
    1. 34 region
      34 region 1 June 2016 16: 27
      +2
      Ivan Ivanovich! 15.59. This tricolor symbolizes the current commerce. Like it or not, but symbolism carries a hidden meaning. The state today is one, but the estates are different. Tops, bottoms. As the hero of one TV show said: I'm not a friend. I am lord! This is when the leader addressed him: Comrade ...
    2. kit_bellew
      kit_bellew 1 June 2016 16: 27
      +5
      Well, under the Romanovs, suppose the state flag was also a tricolor, albeit of different tones.
      But in an earlier era, banners with the image of the Savior on a one-color cloth were used, the color of which varied within the shades of red: from crimson to almost black.
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      2. RUSS
        RUSS 1 June 2016 17: 03
        +5
        Quote: kit_bellew
        Well, under the Romanovs, suppose the state flag was also a tricolor, albeit of different tones.

        The black-yellow-white flag is the coat of arms of the Russian Empire, in modern vernacular also the imperial flag - the flag of the Russian Empire from June 11 (June 23), 1858 to April 29 (May 11), 1896.
        That is, this flag was state only for a couple of dozen years, mainly under Alexander II, until the period 1858-1896 and until 1918 the state flag of the Russian Empire was today's tricolor.
    3. EvgNik
      EvgNik 1 June 2016 16: 42
      +3
      Quote: Ivan Ivanovich
      I'm not going to argue with sofa marshals.

      And who is Ivan Ivanovich arguing with you? Almost everyone agrees. Although you are a real marshal, not a couch.
      1. Ivan Ivanych
        Ivan Ivanych 1 June 2016 17: 36
        0
        I am an ordinary, master of construction work on a warrior. good too laughing
  15. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 1 June 2016 16: 06
    +3
    I would also like to emphasize fair medals, commemorative badges and even orders that are not state and you can buy them on the Internet, even order your own design. Moreover, a block of the classic form of state awards of the Russian Federation, the USSR, the Republic of Ingushetia, the color symbols of these awards and State symbols.
    Such free circulation of this brilliant tinsel depreciates real rewards in one of its appearance. In addition, the gentlemen of these trinkets are random and even unworthy people.
    And of course, the impostors in the parades, all these KGB marshals in the parades, the fake Heroes of the Soviet Union and other fakes. In order to inculcate respect for the state award and intimidate these disgusting types, it is necessary to apply all the severity of the law, up to and including imprisonment in case of relapse.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 June 2016 16: 27
      +4
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      I would also like to emphasize fair medals, commemorative badges and even orders that are not state and you can buy them on the Internet, even order your own design. Moreover, a block of the classic form of state awards of the Russian Federation, the USSR, the Republic of Ingushetia, the color symbols of these awards and State symbols.
      Such free circulation of this brilliant tinsel depreciates real rewards in one of its appearance. In addition, the gentlemen of these trinkets are random and even unworthy people.

      Mokrushin had a post on the topic of departmental, anniversary and other awards. With two "ceremonial" photographs - a famous military officer (eternal memory to him) and the conductor of the orchestra.


      A reasonable thought was expressed in the comments: since these awards cannot be eliminated, it is necessary by law to establish pads of a different shape and ribbons of other colors that do not coincide with normal state orders and medals.
    2. Tanya
      Tanya 1 June 2016 19: 20
      0
      The lady put on herself in a chaotic manner everything that she found. It would be funny if it were not so sad. sad For this it is necessary to plant.
  16. 31rus2
    31rus2 1 June 2016 16: 08
    +3
    Dear, what about the star, have you forgotten? After all, it’s already three-colored, sometimes it is true that instead of white it is black, it’s improvisation.
    1. 34 region
      34 region 1 June 2016 16: 44
      +2
      31rus2! 16.08/XNUMX. What star is there in the bathhouse? There is already a computer cursor! There is no star anymore. The maximum is white (and whose is it white?).
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 June 2016 17: 11
      +2
      Quote: 31rus2
      she is already three color

      Such a tricolor was abandoned.
      1. atos_kin
        atos_kin 2 June 2016 09: 59
        +1
        This chopped crap isn't any better. It looks like a crucified penguin and the absence of a connection between "top" and "bottom" symbolizes fool
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  17. NordUral
    NordUral 1 June 2016 16: 19
    +7
    Leave one color - red and add a star, a sickle and a hammer - this will be the national flag of Russia. The only correct one for our country! But for this, Russia still needs to become truly our people’s.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 June 2016 17: 27
      +2
      Quote: NordUral
      Leave one color - red and add a star, a sickle and a hammer - this will be the national flag of Russia. The only correct one for our country

      The fact is that the hammer and sickle are symbols of a certain political party and they cannot be symbols of a country now.
      1. Parsec
        Parsec 1 June 2016 19: 47
        +1
        Take, for example, the coat of arms of Austria ...
  18. Makarov
    Makarov 1 June 2016 16: 58
    +2
    In general, it would become the Criminal Code and the authorities should figure out who this weirdo might not intentionally, but maybe intentionally ...
  19. qwert111
    qwert111 1 June 2016 17: 02
    +6
    How to save, but very simple. I climbed onto the roof of my house near St. Petersburg and hung the flags of Russia and the USSR and the Navy. The USSR because it was born in this country, studied and began to serve, because my mother grandfathers and great-grandfathers lived in this country and defended it, the Navy because it served in the Navy until retirement, Russia because it is my country. And when the granddaughters arrive (they are still small), but every time I tell them about each of these flags. Do it and you will be happy !!!
  20. atamankko
    atamankko 1 June 2016 17: 19
    +2
    It is necessary to study and remember this in school all your adult life.
  21. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 1 June 2016 17: 31
    0
    Quote: siberalt
    What is there to do? If our Ministry of Education and Science churns out tens of thousands of such "designers" a year. lol They also need something to spread on bread.

    I don’t give a damn about idiots, (designers, they themselves chose their own path, or mother was an ignoramus) but ...
    Let's start with yourself! How many of us do you get up at home and raise your children in the performance of the Russian Anthem? And those Americans we do not like, under their own anthem, family ASK at home !!!
    Which of us today gave the child the concept - "Motherland above all"? Come on, don't lie to yourself !!!
    Sorry, fellow citizens, but it’s one thing to shout about patriotism, and it’s completely different (in my opinion) to be a true patriot of the Motherland! Without pathos, this is my lifelong credo.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 June 2016 17: 50
      +1
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Americans under their own anthem at home as a family !!!

      USA is not the best example since-
      Flag abuse has long been banned in the United States. So, in New Orleans, a certain William Mumford was hanged for the destruction of the banner, and much later media tycoon Larry Flynt was accused of improper use of the banner. The ban on public flag burning was lifted by the Texas v. Johnson decision in 1989.
      The Republican Party of the United States has repeatedly demanded that the desecration of the flag be banned again, but its opponents each time appealed to the First Amendment, so that the burning of "stars and stripes" remains an attribute of many rallies and demonstrations.

      Something like that....
    3. 31rus2
      31rus2 1 June 2016 19: 40
      +1
      Dear, do not judge everyone by yourself, the grandson is 4 years old, knows well and told and taught him in kindergarten and at home
  22. masiya
    masiya 1 June 2016 18: 24
    0
    Only the state can adequately protect state symbols, which is done by certain legislative documents, but what is happening is just a wild illiterate orgy of bred managers and valiant successful applicants for the Unified State Exam, the further into the forest the more "scientists and smart" there will be, who do not see the difference in colors or symbols ...
  23. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 1 June 2016 18: 27
    +1
    Quote: RUSS
    USA is not the best example since-
    Flag abuse has long been banned in the United States.

    Do you actually understand what I was talking about? I said that Russia begins with Respect for the Flag, Anthem and the Constitution. And if We do not instill THESE CONCEPTS with our children, the fate of unhappy Ukraine will not blow you and me! Something you are not talking about, sir ... but that is not good.
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 1 June 2016 18: 47
      +2
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Do you actually understand what I was talking about?

      Got it.
      Quote: avg-mgn
      And those Americans we do not like, under their own anthem, family ASK at home !!!

      You cited the Americans as an example, I answered you that their patriotism is ostentatious and even such a symbol as the flag of a country in the USA can be burned in public.
      Moreover, if you ask an American where he is from, he will answer that he is from Nevada or Tahas, etc., but rarely with the USA. In the same Texas or Louisiana during the day with fire you will not find the US flag, and the flags of a particular State directly around or even the flag of the Confederation.
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Something you are not talking about, sir ...

      I'm not sir. hi
  24. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev 1 June 2016 19: 32
    -9
    This is a crossbow! It turns out that over a quarter of a century they have not learned how to correctly hang flags that completely copy the Vlasov rags and chevrons of the whitewaters in their colors. How so? And in all this, it turns out, the USE and other elements of domestic policy are to blame. That is, the very reforms carried out by the state, whose symbols are not able to correctly depict the electorate based on the results of these reforms. We also urgently need to introduce the Department of Symbology on the basis of youth organizations, whose activists at least know how to draw the tricolor correctly. The Shobes controlled the correctness in drawing and placing this very symbolism according to all the rules of official patriotism, tkskzt.
    1. 31rus2
      31rus2 1 June 2016 19: 55
      +3
      Dear, the fact of the matter is that we easily bury one thing (with good and bad) without even trying to figure it out, we easily produce another, again with the same problems and we want to comply with some ethical rules, but we don’t care about elementary education, there is no question of eagles and stars, but of attitude to each other, to history, to the ability to respect both each other and the country in which we live
      1. Undermined ustoev
        Undermined ustoev 1 June 2016 22: 35
        +2
        I respect the country. I respect people of physical and mental labor, simple hard workers, engineers, teachers, doctors. There are no comprador bourgeois, their lackeys and their rotten state. Class interest, excuse me.
  25. mik0588
    mik0588 1 June 2016 19: 44
    0
    Which state, such and symbols. Everything is extremely interconnected!
  26. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 1 June 2016 21: 13
    +1
    Only creatures with the intelligence of a snail can handle state symbols in this way. fool
  27. esaul1950
    esaul1950 1 June 2016 23: 15
    -4
    Which state is such a flag, what flag is such an attitude to it.
  28. Aljavad
    Aljavad 1 June 2016 23: 46
    +1
    By the way, after the holiday, girls from a youth organization appeared at the door of the Ufa administration, who distributed ribbons with a depiction of the Russian flag to employees of the institution, recalling what it actually looks like ...


    Girls - respect (and youth organizations too), good to "employees" - TY-Y-Y-Y-Y-Y !!!!! negative
  29. 96423lom
    96423lom 2 June 2016 06: 39
    0
    Officials should be responsible for the fact that such symbolism comes out to the people. And whoever allowed this to be either an enemy or a military committee, the FSB should be the first to deal with it, and the qualification commission should be the second.
  30. sogdianec
    sogdianec 2 June 2016 06: 41
    +1
    The article is not only about state symbols. But also about national politics in the regions, on the example of Bashkiria. In the 90s, many regional princes created the illusion that they could just chop off an inheritance from Russia and become sovereign. The hope of some modern feudal lords, sorry, officials still remains. Tougher is necessary, tougher, they do not understand differently.
  31. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev 2 June 2016 08: 48
    +3
    I don’t give a damn about idiots, (designers, they themselves chose their own path, or mother was an ignoramus) but ...
    Let's start with yourself! How many of us do you get up at home and raise your children in the performance of the Russian Anthem? And those Americans we do not like, under their own anthem, family ASK at home !!!

    My children get up on an alarm clock and first go to wash, and then go to breakfast. If you have these procedures replaced by the bourgeois anthem, insolently stolen from the Soviet, then I sympathize with your children.
    Which of us today gave the child the concept - "Motherland above all"? Come on, don't lie to yourself !!!

    Aren't you lying? There is a homeland, but there is a state. But these concepts are completely different. Why mix something that doesn't mix?
    Sorry, fellow citizens, but it’s one thing to shout about patriotism, and it’s completely different (in my opinion) to be a true patriot of the Motherland! Without pathos, this is my lifelong credo.

    If you do not distinguish between patriotism as love for your country and official patriotism, as veneration of the state and its attributes, then it may well turn out something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ii0EgfjSzI
    PS: And someone’s profit grew 2,5 times in the wake of sanctions. This is such a crisis, yeah. But for pensioners for some reason there is no denyuh.
  32. Ros 56
    Ros 56 3 June 2016 13: 04
    +1
    A strange question, the Criminal Code, as far as I know, has not been canceled yet. You just have to use it. hi
  33. Mentat
    Mentat 5 June 2016 01: 19
    0
    Quote: Pinky F.
    Quote: Region 34
    This is like symbolism of road signs.

    Quote: Region 34
    and Orthodoxy (hammer).

    Nick fits your thinking processes completely.