Military Review

Tests of the new CP-10 aircraft in Kubinka

142
At the Kubinka airbase, tests of the CP-10 aircraft began, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.


Tests of the new CP-10 aircraft in Kubinka


The abbreviation in the name of the aircraft is deciphered as follows: "a jet aircraft with a sweep of the wing –10 degrees." It was developed by the Moscow Design Bureau aviation technologies".

According to the developers, “reverse sweep allows you to make the plane compact and improves stability at low speeds, which makes the CP-10 suitable for teaching the basics of piloting.”

“The Yak-130 combat training enrolled in the air force is, in fact, an advanced training aircraft, and there are no simple and cheap jet machines for obtaining initial skills in Russia. The cadets are engaged in outdated and much heavier L-39, ”said the CB representative.

According to him, “the CP-10 flight hour cost is almost four times less than that of the Yak-130: 2500 dollars versus 8000, and in terms of training efficiency, it exceeds the X-NUMX percent L-10”.



In the red-colored video, the CP-10 performs a standard exercise for fighters: landing on the lane, followed by take-off. Earlier, the plane made flights from the airfield Oreshkino (Kaluga region).

The aircraft is equipped with AI-25TLSh turbojet dual-flow engine and K-93 ejection seats.
Photos used:
http://www.kb-sat.ru
142 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. Altona
    Altona 30 May 2016 18: 05
    +86
    Beautiful thing. It was previously shown on TV as an example of private design and manufacturing. Such private is welcome. Especially if they were canceled VAT, and not to oil exporters.
    1. captain
      captain 30 May 2016 18: 31
      +42
      Will we bring this aircraft to production in series? Many pilots will be very happy. Instead of the Czech L-39 will be a great car. Good luck to you .
      1. zennon
        zennon 30 May 2016 19: 32
        +23
        Quote: captain
        Many pilots will be very happy. Instead, the Czech L-39 will be a great car.

        And again with the Kokhlov pikhl. "Motor Sich", Zaporozhye (clickable) ...
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 30 May 2016 20: 06
          +32
          Quote: zennon
          And again with the Kokhlov pikhl. "Motor Sich", Zaporozhye (clickable) ...

          Permitted for a prototype. For the Yak-130, too, at first there were Ukrainian engines, and now Salyut makes them.
          1. zennon
            zennon 30 May 2016 20: 49
            +1
            Quote: Gray Brother
            Permitted for a prototype. For the Yak-130, too, at first there were Ukrainian engines, and now Salyut makes them.

            This is what they will take for the SR-10 instead of the Kakhlovsky one? AL-55 ?! So "Salyut" does not make it. They developed it for India with their money and their production will begin at Mowgli.
            Designed for the training aircraft HJT-36 developed by Hindustan Aeronautics Corporation (India). The main development work was completed in August 2010. In India, the organization of licensed production of AL-55I is being carried out; before the start of production, small batches of engines for the HJT-36 are purchased from NPO Saturn. The engine was created with funding from India.
            On February 19, 2015, the head of the United Engine Corporation (UEC, part of Rostec) Vladislav Masalov announced that the production of Russian AL-55I engines for HJT-36 Indian training aircraft is planned to begin in India in 2016.

            At present, Salyut has no specific plans to launch production of the AL-55 in Russia.
            1. yehat
              yehat 31 May 2016 11: 34
              +6
              I think if serious departments are included in their plans, then engine production will not be a problem.
        2. Altona
          Altona 30 May 2016 20: 35
          +7
          Quote: zennon
          And again with the Kokhlov pikhl. "Motor Sich", Zaporozhye (clickable) ...

          -----------------
          Well, in this size of the aircraft will find other analogues of engines (Canadian, Brazilian, Chinese, some more). But you still need to make such beauty.
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 31 May 2016 14: 19
            +6
            Quote: Altona
            Quote: zennon
            And again with the Kokhlov pikhl. "Motor Sich", Zaporozhye (clickable) ...

            -----------------
            Well, in this size of the aircraft will find other analogues of engines (Canadian, Brazilian, Chinese, some more). But you still need to make such beauty.

            Stalin urgently needs to be taught to make the entire line of his engines.
          2. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot 1 June 2016 23: 13
            0
            Quote: Altona
            Well, in this size of the aircraft will find other analogues of engines (Canadian, Brazilian, Chinese



            Have come ...
        3. sgazeev
          sgazeev 30 May 2016 21: 05
          +2
          Quote: zennon
          Quote: captain
          Many pilots will be very happy. Instead, the Czech L-39 will be a great car.

          And again with the Kokhlov pikhl. "Motor Sich", Zaporozhye (clickable) ...

          Power point,
          type / number x power., kgf
          Turbojet engine
          1 x 1750The first prototypes of the aircraft are equipped with a AI-25TSR dual-circuit turbojet engine with a thrust of 1750 kgf designed by the Zaporizhzhya Engineering Design Bureau Progress named after Academician A.G. Ivchenko
        4. ibu355yandex.ru
          ibu355yandex.ru 31 May 2016 17: 12
          +3
          There is nothing to be done ... While flying on these engines. If it comes to the series! And then, after all, our bureaucrats will cover up any good deed! Here only the voice of GDP can help!
        5. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 1 June 2016 16: 57
          +1
          Quote: zennon
          And again with the Kokhlov pikhl. "Motor Sich", Zaporozhye (clickable) ...

          Well, our NK-25 or NK-32 will not fit in it.
        6. GSH-18
          GSH-18 1 June 2016 20: 07
          0
          Quote: zennon
          And again with the Kokhlov pikhl. "Motor Sich", Zaporozhye (clickable) ...

          So first you need to put your own engine, and only then deliver cadets for training.
    2. firefighter
      firefighter 30 May 2016 19: 18
      +2
      And they gave money to advance in life. Show performance characteristics! Did not see. I didn’t read ... Well, I really want to ...
      1. zennon
        zennon 30 May 2016 20: 54
        +10
        Quote: fire nick
        Show performance characteristics! Did not see. I didn’t read ... Well, I really want to ...

        Let's take a look at the "Wiki":
        Flight performance
        The main LHT UTS SR-10
        Power point,
        type / number x power., kgf
        Turbojet engine
        X 1 1750
        Crew location
        tandem
        Max. take-off weight kg
        3100
        Max. speed km / h
        800
        Practical ceiling, m
        11 000
        Practical range, km
        1200
        Max. operational overload, units
        + 8 / -6
        Landing speed, km / h
        180
        What is rich ...
  2. 3officer
    3officer 30 May 2016 18: 07
    +2
    It seems that Albatros was just going to be replaced by the Yak-130, now a training training? but what about unification.
    1. FID
      FID 30 May 2016 18: 10
      +15
      Quote: 3officer
      It seems that Albatross was just going to replace the Yak-130

      So, Albatross is back in service. Recently, one of the bosses boasted that the cadets again began to fly on Elki ...
      1. 3officer
        3officer 30 May 2016 18: 15
        +3
        Well, they know better, of course, but why a huge fleet of training aircraft duplicating each other is incomprehensible honestly. what
        1. dmi.pris
          dmi.pris 30 May 2016 18: 19
          +11
          But why do you need a fleet of equipment manufactured by a NATO member country?
        2. yehat
          yehat 31 May 2016 11: 38
          +5
          training aircraft also have a specialization
          Yak-130 is a plane that teaches to use modern equipment of a fighter-bomber. This is too fat for a simple training aircraft.
          therefore, there is a niche for such a machine and the task is to fill it.
          1. Azitral
            Azitral 2 June 2016 08: 58
            0
            Forgot to add: 130th is a masterpiece of its kind. It hurts a lot of people, not as a combat training, but as a combat simple. For the currency. In our difficult times.
      2. Maxom75
        Maxom75 30 May 2016 22: 56
        +29
        Krasnodar flight, now his wife’s nephew flies on the Elks. Says a school desk. Well, in my opinion, give him a kite and he will fly on it like a Su-35. A guy from 10 years old raved about the sky. That dream came true. They laughed at him: If you don’t pay your salary, you will leave the aircraft? He says even if it will be necessary to pay extra for flights, I will still fly.
      3. Pereira
        Pereira 31 May 2016 09: 21
        -2
        Moreover, it was served as an achievement.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 30 May 2016 18: 38
      +17
      Quote: 3officer
      It seems that Albatross was just going to replace the Yak-130



      It has already been written more than once that the Yak-130 is complicated for young, just beginning pilots ...

      What excites me most is that the engine is not ours, not of Russian production ...
      1. FID
        FID 30 May 2016 18: 48
        +6
        Quote: weksha50
        What excites me the most is that the engine is not ours, not of Russian production ..

        If you are about 130th, then he has 2 of them (two Zaporizhzhya motors) ...
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 30 May 2016 18: 58
          +14
          Quote: weksha50
          What excites me most is that the engine is not ours, not of Russian production ...

          ... a used engine for the first tests, at the moment the CP-10 is considered a prototype ... well, like AI-222-25 ... there will be unification of the engine with the Yak-130 ... hi
          Quote: SSI
          If you are about 130th, then he has 2 of them (two Zaporizhzhya motors) ...

          ... already Russian since 2015 Moscow "Salute" completely without Ukrainian components ... hi
          1. firefighter
            firefighter 30 May 2016 19: 29
            +10
            And this is a completely different story. Khokhlyatsky plant is a pity, but its own shirt ... And it is desirable that our motors forever and everywhere! And kakly let them amer sell their. Maybe even instead of RD-180 will adapt lol what
            1. yehat
              yehat 31 May 2016 11: 47
              +5
              Quote: fire nick
              Khokhlyatsk plant is sorry, but own shirt

              At one time, the leadership of the USSR made a mistake. On the one hand, it developed Ukraine in every possible way by cutting the budgets of other republics, especially the RSFSR, on the other, it did not remove the roots of separatism, and on the third, under Khrushchev Ukraine gained completely undeserved authority, historical records, as well as territorial acquisitions, and then collusion under Yeltsin completed the picture.
              In general, I am against the behavior of Moscow when it concentrates everything important nearby, and the regions can only be surprised at the collection of taxes in Moscow from their enterprises, however, cooperation with Ukraine is now destructive. The more production elements will be replaced from Ukrainian to ours (without sacrificing quality), the better.
              1. Azitral
                Azitral 2 June 2016 09: 06
                0
                Alas. The most important resource is trained people. Where can you find engine builders in an open field to quickly? So it is near Moscow, near Rostov, near Nizhny. We again do not have enough time to do well, because again we need to do it quickly. And about the radical de-Ukrainianization in 40-50-60 you are right. No "Govoryt Kyeu ..." on the radio, no alphabets with "i", no document circulation in mov, nowhere, in the Western region - in the first place. You look - it would dissolve.
          2. Bayonet
            Bayonet 30 May 2016 20: 36
            +3
            Quote: Inok10
            ... used engine for the first tests, at the moment the CP-10 is considered a prototype ... well, like AI-222-25

            AB-222-25 also "Motor Sich" rivets request
            1. goose
              goose 31 May 2016 11: 04
              +10
              For 70 years, the Soviet government has been trying to make more proletarians in Ukraine in order to strengthen the Soviet power by building hydroelectric power stations there, factories for assembling all that is possible, an electronics cluster, but everything turned out to be in vain.
              Farmer's narrow-mindedness always defeated civilization; the first alarm bell (even a bell) sounded in Chernobyl as a symbol of the victory of the feudal worldview over common sense and science. Conclusions were made, but in vain. Blind faith that you do not need to learn anything was and is an immunity. The result was the gradual destruction of all high-tech industries from computers, aircraft, mechanical engineering, instruments, rockets, ships to common cars. The country was oriented toward consumption, only no one thought what to pay.
        2. firefighter
          firefighter 30 May 2016 19: 21
          +1
          Are they still alive? If so, then glad. Not for Ukrainians, for the plant. But it’s time to make room in this industry already.
        3. weksha50
          weksha50 30 May 2016 21: 47
          0
          Quote: SSI
          If you are about 130th, then he has 2 of them (two Zaporizhzhya motors) ...



          And about the 130th, and about the SR-10 ....
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 30 May 2016 21: 19
        0
        It has already been written more than once that the Yak-130 is complicated for young, just beginning pilots ...


        And in the Yak-130 brochures it seems that he is easy to pilot and write a lot forgiveness.

        The airplane is beautiful. I’m more embarrassed by something else, recently they wrote in the article in the VO that the cadets' initial flight training begins ... from the end of the 3rd year. Is it normal that they are more than half the term of study and don’t fly then?
        1. faridg7
          faridg7 30 May 2016 23: 40
          +8
          Normally, in general, among other things, they should receive an education. third-year students have been flying since mid-April, my second year student, he says they will be scattered across the shelves in September, and by December they should be on the wing. In Ulyanovsk, civilians, so they generally only begin to fly in their fifth year
          1. dauria
            dauria 31 May 2016 01: 52
            +5
            Normally, in general, among other things, they should receive an education.


            Fine ? But what about the USSR? CHVVAUL- from the first course (well, civilly, from the second semester) from spring to autumn? 2 years - elki, 2 years - MiG-23? What else is there to learn for 2 years? Or the alphabet with the multiplication table ... with the exam, perhaps, I won’t be surprised. laughing Everything is simpler, I'm afraid. No money, no resource, no flights.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 31 May 2016 20: 32
              0
              This is what I wanted to hear, how they cooked before, how they cook at the "partners". It turns out that the training system has been completely destroyed? now it is necessary to reanimate.
        2. yehat
          yehat 31 May 2016 11: 51
          +1
          they are not WW2 pilots who depend only on tactics and skills
          Now you need a lot of knowledge, both theoretical and applied. Knowledge of equipment.
          And aerobatics only later. In other matters, the fact that civilians fly only from the 5th year in Ulyanovsk is also bad. Aerobatics is not necessary for them to master, but there are many specific skills that are needed. One navigational training is worth it.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 31 May 2016 20: 30
            +1
            Knowledge is knowledge and skills are skills. Why can’t you develop skills starting from the first course in parallel with obtaining knowledge? ... well, of course, apart from the fact that there is nothing to get them ...
            1. faridg7
              faridg7 2 June 2016 15: 44
              0
              They will still be engineers. In addition to piloting skills, they should gain knowledge on the compromising information, the theory of parts and machines, higher mathematics, and so on and so on ... Training preparation again. This is all a lot of time. And besides, as I understand it, the school’s airfield cannot provide such an intensity of flights, especially since the guys will all master different types of planes — it’s only on the wing that they become on albatrosses, and then their paths diverge. So they parted on the shelves
    3. oblako
      oblako 31 May 2016 04: 31
      0
      This is a different class of machine.
  3. quote
    quote 30 May 2016 18: 08
    +8
    Like it! That's it! I'm starting to save on a plane!
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 30 May 2016 20: 04
      +10
      Quote: devis
      ! Start saving up for a plane!

      Yeah, a similar case on my collective farm. I’m afraid that the piggy bank will crack. laughing
    2. faridg7
      faridg7 30 May 2016 23: 45
      +4
      Buy your Yak55 (54). they are ready, standing at the factory in Arsenyev, waiting for the buyer. Last summer, the price tag was around 5,5 million.
      1. yehat
        yehat 31 May 2016 12: 14
        0
        for a frame with a motor (this is exactly what the Yak-55 looks like to me) 5.5 million?
        not expensive?
        ps
        I’ve calculated a little for comparison, with some errors, a bf-109G6 of 43 years old for the ruble exchange rate in early May 2016 would cost about 20 million rubles
        1. faridg7
          faridg7 31 May 2016 14: 44
          +1
          Frame with a motor ??? Excuse me, this is a great sports aircraft. And 5,5 million is prohibitively expensive for me, otherwise I would love to buy it, for my son, I myself have been afraid of heights for some time now.
          1. Alex_Tug
            Alex_Tug 1 June 2016 00: 26
            +1
            Take a look at Zenith
            http://www.zenithair.com/stolch750/750-price.html
            I’ll have to collect it myself (it will take a month).
            1. faridg7
              faridg7 2 June 2016 14: 32
              0
              It’s cool, although it’s prohibitive for me (but already more real), but with certification, how? here, after all, it will have to be not only assembled but also issued.
              1. Alex_Tug
                Alex_Tug 2 June 2016 15: 26
                0
                He has a certificate. Russian why? Not intended for passenger traffic. Get only registration number. In the states, in order to obtain a pilot license for such aircraft, one must study at 20-hour courses.
        2. faridg7
          faridg7 2 June 2016 14: 34
          0
          Yes, you are just an accountant. For what minus, I did not understand. set himself plus for the amendment
          1. Alex_Tug
            Alex_Tug 2 June 2016 15: 27
            0
            Do not mind it. Likes do not interest me.
            1. faridg7
              faridg7 2 June 2016 16: 02
              0
              Quote: Alex_Tug
              He has a certificate. Russian why? Not intended for passenger traffic. Get only registration number. In the states, in order to obtain a pilot license for such aircraft, one must study at 20-hour courses.

              In general, I have very little English, does this come out to about 20000 just a set of parts? In addition, what kind of whales will you have to purchase for assembly (and with these whales, at least do a series)?
              1. Alex_Tug
                Alex_Tug 2 June 2016 16: 48
                0
                The minimum flying kit is 14000. (This is with the engine).
                In principle, this is like a Lego constructor. You can buy and assemble the required set of parts. In principle, you can put another engine. Whales are already a bunch of different devices and different gadgets. You can buy at least 100 sets. Unless buyers have to look. Then you probably need an instructor with a license for training. How a business model can actually work. There are more than one aircraft model in the line.
                1. faridg7
                  faridg7 2 June 2016 17: 41
                  0
                  Yeah, I'm going to wipe my saliva
                  1. Alex_Tug
                    Alex_Tug 2 June 2016 20: 50
                    0
                    Watch videos with different devices.
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dn3oCvHZs0Q
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emuub4qC8Bo
  4. staryivoin
    staryivoin 30 May 2016 18: 09
    +4
    A small plane has a great future. The most important thing is that every take-off ends with landing !!!
  5. EvgNik
    EvgNik 30 May 2016 18: 09
    +1
    It seemed to me, or is it really: when you plant it a little "goat"? Takeoff is fine, short takeoff run, but the landing is uncertain. I'm not a specialist and I can be wrong.
    1. wow
      wow 30 May 2016 19: 02
      +4
      The aircraft is very light, it is difficult to smoothly "rub" it to the runway.
      1. faridg7
        faridg7 2 June 2016 14: 43
        0
        What then can be said about the three-hundred-kilogram technology P2000? then, in general, can’t you rub it into the strip?
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 30 May 2016 19: 47
      +1
      I think the strip is to blame.
      1. alex-defensor
        alex-defensor 31 May 2016 10: 13
        +1
        Quote: NordUral
        I think the strip is to blame.

        Of course, Putin is to blame! wassat

        Guys, I reviewed the second landing three times ... in what language are negotiations with the dispatcher being conducted?
  6. Irokez
    Irokez 30 May 2016 18: 10
    0
    Okay, keep it up. And there you look and trample on export to African-Asian countries because of cheapness. The right way is, longer sanctions would be preserved.
  7. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 May 2016 18: 11
    +3
    Not bad at all. Simple and cheap jet machines for acquiring initial skills in Russia no. Well then, they will now, although it was necessary yesterday. Clear sky car!
  8. megafair
    megafair 30 May 2016 18: 12
    -2
    Heh, but where are they going to take the AI-25TLSh engines, Motor Sich is living out its last days, at the same time it is stubbornly killing itself against the wall of its own "sanctions" ...

    Yes, and 1 engine on the training machine - and if the failure? On two, the yellowhorn still has a chance, but here xs ...
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 30 May 2016 18: 24
      +5
      Well, "Motor Sich" is not living out its last days, let's be realistic. While they have orders for both new and repaired engines. It's time to stop waiting for everything to shut down. Such countries live for decades in the process of half-life.
      Quote: megafair
      Heh, but where are they going to take the AI-25TLSh engines, Motor Sich is living out its last days, at the same time it is stubbornly killing itself against the wall of its own "sanctions" ...

      Yes, and 1 engine on the training machine - and if the failure? On two, the yellowhorn still has a chance, but here xs ...
      1. megafair
        megafair 30 May 2016 18: 38
        +6
        Yeah, Yuzhmash is already standing, Motor Sich incurs losses for the third year in a row ... It doesn’t make me happy, it’s a shame, such an enterprise (they built the whole union), I’m worried that the engines on the CP-3 are those that soon and no one will be able to release ...
        But I read on the network - they plan to put them on our Ufa AL-55 in the future.
    2. faridg7
      faridg7 30 May 2016 23: 51
      +2
      For this seat ejection is. and the yellowhorns could cope with one, but with the failure of one of the two, it will not be easier for them.
      there is actually AI25, it's almost like AK
  9. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 30 May 2016 18: 12
    +5
    He says a lot! Can DOSAAF be revived soon? It would not hurt!
    1. faridg7
      faridg7 31 May 2016 07: 49
      +2
      To revive? You just need to take under the wing those flying clubs that are and that barely flounder. I assure you, and there will be enough instructors and attendants. If the state takes at least half of the necessary expenses on maintenance and maintenance of equipment, there will already be a sharp rise
  10. 1536
    1536 30 May 2016 18: 15
    +3
    Is the industry awake? As the hero of the film "When the trees were big" said: "They remember their hands. They remember!"
    1. faridg7
      faridg7 31 May 2016 11: 05
      +1
      Well, if at least we do not interfere much, then we will rise. I read somewhere that the economy is such a thing that can’t grow if you don’t kill it.
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 1 June 2016 23: 58
      0
      1536 RU May 30, 2016 18:15
      Has industry woken up?


      The airplane was built in Dagestan. Some nito aircraft repair, nito aircraft factory, than harnessed to die without orders harnessed - and built!

      (source - forgot! request some Dagestan site)
  11. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 May 2016 18: 15
    +4
    Attorney General felon, Pahan drunk and half the country on a parasail ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 30 May 2016 18: 29
      +11
      Quote: avg-mgn
      the prosecutor general from among the criminals, pahan drunk, and the country on a parasail

      You, in my opinion, got a branch.
  12. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 30 May 2016 18: 25
    +1
    On the basis of one hundred and thirty, make an easy attack aircraft, and use this bird just as a training one.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 30 May 2016 21: 28
      +1
      Why does the army need such an attack aircraft? Is it better to restore the production of SU-25? Or what a modernized project based on it.
      1. yehat
        yehat 31 May 2016 12: 35
        +1
        Su-25 needs a serious revision of the concept. The machine was created to support the masses of troops on the scale of the Warsaw Pact, but times have changed and technology has also changed, and the requirements for attack aircraft have also changed. We need to continue to stamp the modernization of the Su25m, su25m2 ... su25m99 and prepare a brand new car. In my opinion, now there is no point in too much speed of the aircraft. This potential can be used for other characteristics, first of all, to rethink the combat survivability of the aircraft.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 31 May 2016 20: 46
          0
          I do not argue that it is necessary to develop new ones and modernize existing ones. In Syria, the SU-25 is not at all the troops of the Warsaw Pact who support it. And in terms of combat survivability, he is supposed to give a head start on YAK-130 ..
  13. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 May 2016 18: 35
    +8
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: avg-mgn
    the prosecutor general from among the criminals, pahan drunk, and the country on a parasail

    You, in my opinion, got a branch.

    I apologize to the community, the machine crashed, pulled out of RAM and stuck the window in the wrong place. Sorry wildly!
  14. Sergey333
    Sergey333 30 May 2016 18: 37
    +2
    And the engine is the Sich engine, where would it be without him. And how will such an aircraft be produced for the army?
    1. megafair
      megafair 30 May 2016 19: 14
      -1
      They plan to put on them our Ufa AL-55.
  15. Verdun
    Verdun 30 May 2016 18: 39
    +1
    The plane may be quite good, although it is too early to speak before the end of the tests. But the AI-25TLSh engine is Motor Sich. My own, as I understand, was not found. Will it not turn out that tomorrow this button accordion will have nowhere to attach? Or is everything good with Ukraine?
    1. megafair
      megafair 30 May 2016 19: 14
      0
      I wrote about the same a little earlier:
      But I read on the network - they plan to put them on our Ufa AL-55 in the future.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 30 May 2016 20: 50
        0
        Quote: megafair
        plan to put our Ufa AL-55.

        What do not immediately put? You have to understand, is there a problem?
    2. Orionvit
      Orionvit 30 May 2016 22: 28
      +5
      Please do not confuse Ukraine and Motor Sich. There will be no Ukraine tomorrow, but the plant will remain if it survives. With all these bans on the part of Kiev, workers are sitting without work anyway.
      1. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 31 May 2016 14: 24
        +2
        Quote: Orionvit
        Please do not confuse Ukraine and Motor Sich. There will be no Ukraine tomorrow, but the plant will remain if it survives.

        Your words to God in the ears ...
  16. atamankko
    atamankko 30 May 2016 18: 46
    +2
    A flying school desk is needed, and young romantics, too.
  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 May 2016 18: 46
    +2
    How cute! Probably I won't be mistaken if this is the first production aircraft with a forward-swept wing (if it reaches the series). Landing speed is very low, if anything, and without an engine sits down. We need motors for a large series - Russia will decide with motors too. PD -14 mastered, let alone such "small things".
  18. jaguar
    jaguar 30 May 2016 18: 47
    +3
    “The cost of an SR-10 flight hour is almost four times less than that of a Yak-130: $ 2500 versus $ 8000. Lope? belay belay belay What does the author smoke?
    1. Dam
      Dam 30 May 2016 18: 50
      0
      Keyword: almost
    2. sisa29
      sisa29 31 May 2016 01: 04
      +1
      Why is the cost of flying our aircraft in dollars? Is flying to Alaska refuel?
  19. Yak28
    Yak28 30 May 2016 18: 51
    -3
    It’s similar to Yak. But why muddle with the sweep of the wing, I thought the Su-47 “Golden Eagle” had already demonstrated its incapacity, and they won’t return to such a scheme
    1. megafair
      megafair 30 May 2016 19: 25
      +19
      Well here is a little different:
      Firstly, the reverse sweep of the wing has no end disruptions, and, therefore, its lift is higher. Secondly, flow stall at large angles of attack at such a wing occurs first in the root of the wing, without disrupting the ailerons, leaving the aircraft controlled.
      Secondly, the reverse sweep wing improves anti-tearing characteristics, and generally works great at large angles of attack, what is its attractiveness.
      Thirdly, the Su-47 began to have problems at supersonic speeds, the KOS twisted, which is not fundamental for the RS-10, as a flying desk - he will not know these problems;)
      1. yehat
        yehat 31 May 2016 12: 50
        +1
        Quote: megafair

        Thirdly, the Su-47 problems began to arise at supersonic speeds, there was a twisting

        as far as people from Sukhoi say, they solved this problem to the level that simply the resource of the wing was many times less, which increased the cost of operation.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 30 May 2016 21: 31
      0
      It is similar to Yak in that the training and cockpit for 2 pilots on such a baby looks disproportionately large.
    3. yehat
      yehat 31 May 2016 12: 48
      +1
      and what was the Su-47 incapable of? laughing
      oh, this is a new generation for me, which argues through a loser / successful filter.
      "If the Su-47 did not go into production, then, therefore, a loser. And if a loser, then there is why."
      Here is such a dumb logical chain.
      Don’t read further, because your brain will burn out due to tearing up the information pattern.
      Su-47 fully met the expectations of the creators - repeated all the characteristics. Both positive and negative. The main reason for abandoning him and his scheme was that the main advantages of reverse sweep turned out to be unnecessary when a controlled thrust vector appeared on the engine nozzle.
      But, there is no controlled thrust vector on the training aircraft. And the question arises that the use of such a wing is appropriate. So what is the main plus wing of the reverse sweep?
      In the absence of stall. For a training aircraft, very valuable quality.
      1. King
        King 1 June 2016 17: 28
        0
        Quote: yehat
        The main cause of failure ...

        this is not true.

        megafair wrote
  20. bt-50
    bt-50 30 May 2016 18: 53
    +4
    And here are the dollars per hour of operation? Are we Yankees?
    1. uragan114
      uragan114 31 May 2016 07: 25
      0
      Quote: bt-50
      And here are the dollars per hour of operation? Are we Yankees?


      This is not to frighten readers with large numbers.))
      The number 2500 is somehow less than 165000. At the last rate.)
      Although yes, idiocy, pay in rubles, and count in shares.
    2. unclevad
      unclevad 31 May 2016 11: 39
      0
      At the same time as “AI-25TLSh ... dual turbojet engine.” Type Google translation AI-25TLSh double-circuit, two-shaft.
  21. narval20
    narval20 30 May 2016 19: 02
    +5
    I saw this airplane flying (it passed above Zvenigorod, near Kubinka) - the reverse sweep of the wing looks very unusual from the ground :)
    Good luck and skill to our guys, pilots!
  22. NordUral
    NordUral 30 May 2016 19: 45
    0
    Good car!
  23. newcomer
    newcomer 30 May 2016 19: 51
    +3
    I read about this plane where in the winter, on the VPK. at that time he was undergoing factory tests. my promised, in the case of a positive state test in the spring, immediately make an order for these cars. apparently sr10 will still be bought mo.
  24. Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 30 May 2016 20: 10
    +1
    It’s good that there are guys in the forum who know about aviation ... Likbez got especially about the reverse sweep. A good plane with good takeoffs and similar landings ...
  25. masiya
    masiya 30 May 2016 20: 24
    0
    The little thing is of course interesting, only they will build their grandmothers, otherwise all the cheapness of training will be covered by the manufacturing costs, they started to learn how to use PO-2 in due time, and what makes the YAK -130 worse, harder, but closer to the original ... (L -39 will pass soon ... just finish its resource, but something new must be thought ...)
  26. Sergey333
    Sergey333 30 May 2016 20: 49
    -1
    Quote: megafair
    They plan to put on them our Ufa AL-55.

    In 2007, during the tests, the TTT did not pass, spontaneous combustion was noted, because of which the engine did not start flight tests.
    Good replacement, you can’t say anything. belay
  27. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 30 May 2016 20: 58
    -1
    As the saying goes: "More good and different goods!"
  28. Yak28
    Yak28 30 May 2016 21: 01
    0
    We have a very large gap from prototypes to mass production, how much they mess with the PAK FA (T-50), it seems that when it gets on the conveyor, it will become obsolete. In the meantime, at least 2-3 hundreds of aircraft will be built another 15 years -20 will go
  29. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 30 May 2016 21: 26
    +2
    Quote: EvgNik
    It seemed to me, or is it really: when you plant it a little "goat"? Takeoff is fine, short takeoff run, but the landing is uncertain. I'm not a specialist and I can be wrong.

    no "goat", just a sidewind landing. The last two approaches or there was no wind, but most likely the pilot just got used to it, perfectly ground the car to the runway.
  30. Armat
    Armat 30 May 2016 22: 04
    +3
    I sincerely wish Russian chicks in the future to become irresistible falcons that will protect the blue sky of Russia from all evil spirits: phantoms and tornadoes!
  31. Orionvit
    Orionvit 30 May 2016 22: 22
    +3
    Quote: zennon
    Quote: captain
    Many pilots will be very happy. Instead, the Czech L-39 will be a great car.

    And again with the Kokhlov pikhl. "Motor Sich", Zaporozhye (clickable) ...

    You smart guy would be silent already. Motor Sich has nothing to do with Ukraine, except territorially. 80% of the production was delivered to Russia, and after the ban on cooperation with Russia, workers are very "glad" that they were left without work. By the way, Motor Sich has never worked for Ukraine, for 25 years of independence, not a single order has been received from Ukraine. And by the way, the AI-25tlsh is an excellent motor in its class, and there is no need to slander.
    1. zennon
      zennon 30 May 2016 23: 34
      +1
      Quote: Orionvit
      You wise guy would be silent already.

      And you do not shut up my mouth, I do not care about you with your flag.
      Quote: Orionvit
      Motor Sich has nothing to do with Ukraine, except territorially.

      Tell it to your fellow citizens. Here they are neighing.
  32. zemnoyd
    zemnoyd 30 May 2016 23: 13
    0
    February flight, even before painting: https://cont.ws/post/215188
  33. RusDV
    RusDV 31 May 2016 05: 42
    +2
    The development of the aircraft project began in 2007 with the efforts of two enthusiasts - Maxim Mironov and Sergey Yushin. Initially, the aircraft was positioned as a light sports and aerobatic, but already in the process of working on the project, the Russian Air Force also showed interest in it. After analyzing the relevant market for the TCB, designers came to the conclusion that the CP-10 can be used as a replacement for the L-39 for basic flight training of future military pilots. The designers believe that for the development of the SR-10, it is enough to have initial flight training on a Yak-52 class aircraft. In terms of its flight performance, the CP-10 is much superior to the obsolete L-39 in rate of climb, speed, maneuverability, turn radius and, importantly, it is lighter than a Czech car and outperforms it in terms of price / quality. That is, the aircraft is important and necessary, and I should get a ticket to life soon.
  34. Wolka
    Wolka 31 May 2016 05: 47
    +1
    good luck, a very funny bird, most importantly in demand in its niche of training machines, and as a possible alternative to sports piston flyers ...
  35. Taygerus
    Taygerus 31 May 2016 06: 14
    +2
    I wish the developers the shortest way to serial production, the aircraft will be in demand and I think not only in Russia
  36. Hariton laptev
    Hariton laptev 31 May 2016 08: 53
    +1
    Quote: Altona
    Well, in this size of the aircraft will find other analogues of engines (Canadian, Brazilian, Chinese, some more). But you still need to make such beauty.



    And again, on the same rake without an engine, this is a pile of iron and why do we need it with the Khokhlyatsky Canadian and other engines. You have to do your own.
  37. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 31 May 2016 11: 06
    +1

    “The Yak-130 combat training enrolled in the air force is, in fact, an advanced training aircraft, and there are no simple and cheap jet machines for obtaining initial skills in Russia. The cadets are engaged in outdated and much heavier L-39, ”said the CB representative.
    In Russia back in the 90s, the MiG Design Bureau was created a wonderful lightweight modern real MiG-AT initial training aircraft. But he, contrary to common sense, but in accordance with the traditions of the new Russia, lost the tender to the heavy Yak-130.
  38. AKsvlad047
    AKsvlad047 31 May 2016 12: 07
    +1
    New domestic aircraft of any class is the pride of Russia!
  39. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 31 May 2016 12: 30
    +1
    It’s interesting to fly on such a plane., At one time I was still studying on L29, I did not have time to fly on the Mig-17, they wrote off it for scrap. Now the planes are cooler and kerasin is ... Enviably and joyfully
  40. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 31 May 2016 15: 03
    +1
    Quote: faridg7
    To revive? You just need to take under the wing those flying clubs that are and that barely flounder. I assure you, and there will be enough instructors and attendants. If the state takes on at least half of the necessary expenses for the maintenance and maintenance of equipment, there will already be a sharp rise

    Oh, your words to God in the ears!
    And I would like to fly / master on such an airplane, otherwise years + VLEK ...
  41. msm
    msm 31 May 2016 15: 31
    +1
    I have one thing - good luck !!
  42. Old warrior
    Old warrior 31 May 2016 16: 49
    +1
    Have a good flight.
  43. vkfriendly
    vkfriendly 31 May 2016 17: 37
    0
    http://judgesuhov.livejournal.com/189133.html?thread=3744973
    Here it is described in more detail, although I do not agree.
  44. cedar
    cedar 31 May 2016 18: 03
    +2
    I wish the young designers the launch of their brainchild in a series! It’s hard for Russian aviation to stand on the wing of the reverse sweep, and for beginner pilots an excellent training desk SR-10, so that in the 21st century in Russia there would be new Kozheduby and Pokryshkin!
  45. VOENOBOZ
    VOENOBOZ 31 May 2016 19: 40
    +1
    And the Golden Eagle is the car of the future, apparently, the run-in begins with light training.
  46. Dormidont2
    Dormidont2 31 May 2016 19: 41
    +2
    Well, there is a platform for combat UAV lol
  47. Aandrewsir
    Aandrewsir 31 May 2016 23: 49
    +1
    Glad for our young pilots and defense industry!
  48. Zloy ork
    Zloy ork 1 June 2016 09: 55
    +1
    Is this what the editorial board of topvar happily spreads the news about using the Khokhlyat engine? Well then, all nishtyak, black-assed groundhog and Vika Nuland are proud of you. Brothers, tell me a good patriotic news resource.
    1. King
      King 1 June 2016 17: 35
      0
      it’s being treated, but you haven’t yet paid attention to the double SS zippers on its wings
    2. King
      King 1 June 2016 17: 35
      0
      it’s being treated, but you haven’t yet paid attention to the double SS zippers on its wings
  49. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 1 June 2016 17: 33
    0
    a beautiful machine ..... but you need your own engine and in a series .... I'm glad that something is being developed on our own initiative ..
  50. Nzn
    Nzn 2 June 2016 10: 35
    0
    According to him, “the cost of an SR-10 flight hour is almost four times less than that of a Yak-130: $ 2500 versus $ 8000,


    Wow, what a price! belay If not a typo. it’s interesting whether such cars will be put into civilian operation