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Syrian T-82 become more secure

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Syrian tankers have long been criticized for their careless attitude to their vehicles - losses tanks became unacceptably high. Recently, however, combat vehicles equipped with anti-cumulative screens have begun to fall into the frame more and more. Messenger of Mordovia.


Syrian T-82 become more secure


“T-82 tanks were the first to undergo this field modernization (this designation was given in Syria to T-72A, which were supplied to the country during the times of the Soviet Union). For a long time it was not known exactly how these armored vehicles behave in combat. But in recent days, the militants have posted several videos on the Web, on which they unsuccessfully tried to destroy those who were confined by the T-82, ”writes the author of the article, Lev Romanov.



Earlier, Vestnik told about one of such cases when, after 2's hits from the RPG-7 to the confined board, the T-72М1 tank continued to move.

“Now new video facts of invulnerability of such tanks have appeared. They were all shot in the same suburb of Damascus - Darayya. The equipment received rocket-propelled grenades on board, but again there are no personnel with fireworks of ammunition and flying towers, ”the author writes.



Romanov notes that a number of Russian experts were very skeptical of this type of protection. “As it turned out, nothing. It is not excluded that the T-72B and T-90 operating in the composition of the Syrian troops will also receive anti-cumulative screens, ”concludes Romanov.

Photos used:
Photos Of The Syrian Army, Courage2004
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  1. Lieutenant Izhe
    Lieutenant Izhe 30 May 2016 10: 51
    +18
    The ratio PRICE-effectiveness of protection with the coefficient for Arab gouging makes us look for ACCEPTABLE options ...
    1. vodolaz
      vodolaz 30 May 2016 20: 08
      +1
      But APU, these grilles did not help, burned them as well as without screens. The Syrians are darkening something.
  2. Yarik76
    Yarik76 30 May 2016 10: 53
    +2
    The hunger for inventions is strong! Fasten the mattress if only it helps! The power of self-suggestion is great.
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 30 May 2016 11: 00
      +11
      Quote: Yarik76
      The hunger for inventions is strong! Fasten the mattress if only it helps! The power of self-suggestion is great.

      If you are talking about grills, then they are also on Armata, though in a small amount, they cover the engine.
      1. abuyanovus
        abuyanovus 30 May 2016 11: 05
        +12
        Apparently, on the Armata, it serves to dissipate the exhaust temperature. With any breeze or movement, the grille creates a fairly strong swirl of air, which, when mixed with the exhaust, significantly reduces its temperature. I'm not sure about the application of the "Syrian experience".
    2. The stranger
      The stranger 30 May 2016 14: 36
      +1
      And it certainly helps when shot from afar, and the grenade is already at the end.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 May 2016 16: 01
      +1
      Quote: Yarik76
      The hunger for inventions is strong! Fasten the mattress if only it helps! The power of self-suggestion is great.

      But is it not so in the Donbass? Even the 34th reanimated and the Novorossiysk kulibins master new types of weapons that show themselves quite efficiently.
    4. Bayonet
      Bayonet 30 May 2016 16: 25
      +2
      Quote: Yarik76
      The hunger for inventions is strong! Fasten the mattress if only it helps!

      Right! Ours once, too, came to this. Need forced - Faustniki.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 May 2016 18: 20
        0
        Quote: Bayonet
        Right! Ours once, too, came to this. Need forced - Faustniki.

        But the minus put, to put it mildly, not an intelligent person! The fact that our tankers have welded up bed nets and wire screens made in field workshops to protect against faustpatrons can only be denied by not smart or ..... hi
        1. Alex0782
          Alex0782 30 May 2016 23: 41
          0
          They welded it, hoping for a miracle and complacency of the tankmen ... But the commission of the People’s Commissariat for Tank Industry concluded that this measure of protection of the tank against cumulative ammunition was ineffective. Read if it’s interesting ... It was for this reason that nothing like this was installed on all our production tanks.
          Yes, I didn’t set a minus ...))
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 30 May 2016 18: 24
        +1
        Here is another shot!
  3. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 30 May 2016 10: 54
    +9
    All the same, trellised armor really helps whoever says anything.
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    2. Denis DV
      Denis DV 30 May 2016 11: 13
      +16
      Anything happens, it happens and does not help request
    3. 34 region
      34 region 30 May 2016 12: 38
      0
      Air Force reserve stock! 10.54. So here we’ve already posted a video on testing the grating. And judging by the video, the sense of it is like a goat of milk. Not tested on a tank. A piece of stove, grill, shot.
      1. igordok
        igordok 30 May 2016 13: 55
        +7
        The lattice screen causes either destruction of the ammunition, or its premature operation. Both for a heavy BT can be a salvation, but for a light BT a premature operation is unlikely to save. The energy of the jet will still be enough to break through weak armor.
        1. Lanista
          Lanista 30 May 2016 19: 07
          +1
          The lattice screen causes either destruction of the ammunition, or its premature operation.

          Not quite so. The lattice is designed so that the projectile can hit it by sheathing a cumulative funnel in a position in which the head fuse passes into the lattice cell. In this case, the cumulative funnel does not form a normal stream. If the fuse gets on the grill itself (i.e., on the grill bar), then there will be no sense in such armor by the same principle as you described.
          The flexible mesh, naturally, does not have such a protective effect, creating at best the effect of "spaced armor", but not destruction of the charge shape.
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 31 May 2016 00: 12
        +1
        There was one video with MTLB and a radiator from the refrigerator. With such a video, it’s really useless, like with a goat of milk
  4. killganoff
    killganoff 30 May 2016 10: 56
    0
    They say a lot about this, and I want to believe! Show the video where the facts are ?!
  5. Magic archer
    Magic archer 30 May 2016 10: 56
    +6
    As far as I remember, the Jews used Merkava’s chains for the first time. There were a lot of skepticism and ridicule. And in the end it turned out to be quite effective! And most importantly, cheap and simple.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 30 May 2016 11: 48
      +5
      Quote: Magic Archer
      As far as I remember, the Jews used Merkava’s chains for the first time. There were a lot of skepticism and ridicule. And in the end it turned out to be quite effective! And most importantly, cheap and simple.

      They slammed the idea of ​​the Swedes -
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 30 May 2016 11: 51
        +5
        And those, in turn - the Spaniards;)
        1. Magic archer
          Magic archer 30 May 2016 14: 15
          0
          Thank you) I didn’t know! And in the first photo, is it not the English Centurion?
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 30 May 2016 18: 47
        +1
        lelikas

        Have Merkava vysyuli stamen. Near neighbors.

        But nevertheless "Vestnik Mordovii" ignites. The editor has a strange hobby.
      3. Professor
        Professor 30 May 2016 20: 15
        0
        Quote: lelikas
        They slammed the idea of ​​the Swedes -

        The Swedes write that this is an experimental tank of the mid-80s. Who has got it? Who to believe? request
        http://www.ointres.se/strv_81_101_102_104_centurion.htm
    2. Professor
      Professor 30 May 2016 19: 37
      +1
      Quote: Magic Archer
      As far as I remember, the Jews used Merkava chains for the first time.

      Not the first and not the last. Today I photographed on the way home. fellow

      1. alexmach
        alexmach 31 May 2016 00: 16
        0
        What's the point here? type that the "sedan" would not drive under the beam? what would the airbag "detonate" before contact with the face in the bumper?
      2. Lankaster
        Lankaster 31 May 2016 09: 29
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Not the first and not the last.

        And the Vietnamese on the T-54 smile
  6. RUSS
    RUSS 30 May 2016 10: 59
    +1
    These photos have probably been a couple of months.
  7. Barakuda
    Barakuda 30 May 2016 11: 07
    +28
    Experience came much earlier.
  8. Verdun
    Verdun 30 May 2016 11: 16
    +6
    Perhaps such protection is effective, but in appearance it is the dream of an Arab taxi driver. Only carpets with bells are not enough. But seriously, this protection is due to the nature of the war in Syria. Such use of an ATGM, as in the plots of various jihad videos, is possible only in conditions of slow-paced hostilities. I believe that in the event of a full-scale offensive with a high concentration of artillery, aircraft, tanks and infantry, these "warriors of Allah" with a launcher in one hand and a video camera in the other would run, throwing both.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 30 May 2016 11: 20
      +10
      About 800 T-34oks were burned in Berlin, and the concentration there was great. And especially no one ran. I know, sad, but true.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 30 May 2016 12: 03
        +11
        Quote: Barracuda
        About 800 T-34oks were burned in Berlin, and the concentration there was great. And especially no one ran. I know, sad, but true.

        This is not entirely true - about 800 are Katukov’s words (I can be mistaken for at work) and the numbers of losses of the entire BTT for the entire Berlin operation, in the street battles, the first and second tank armies lost only about 16% of those, and in the approaches - about 40%. That is, the terrifying loss of tanks in urban battles for Berlin is greatly exaggerated. The burnt guys from this is not easier and sorry for everyone, but nonetheless.
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 30 May 2016 15: 24
          0
          Quote: lelikas
          but nonetheless .


          Sometimes you were lucky, probably none of you had to drink vodka with a former WWII tanker who received TWO funerals. And my friend's father, he saw with his own eyes, two funerals came at one time. His mother i.e. my friend’s grandmother told me that you are telling the guys you can’t even imagine what it is to bury your son twice, but he came alive and healthy. The last battle as he told us was on May 9 in Prague, then the caterpillars cleared human remains, it’s scary.
      2. Verdun
        Verdun 30 May 2016 13: 02
        +1
        Quote: Barracuda
        Berlin burned about 800 T-34ok, And the concentration there was huge. And especially no one ran. I know, sad, but true.

        Let me ask, where was Berlin to escape from? And then, I’m not ready to compare the soldiers and officers of the Wehrmacht with ISIS militants.
  9. Leto
    Leto 30 May 2016 11: 24
    +2
    Now there are new video facts of the invulnerability of such tanks.

    Yes, there were photos of the burned-out "T-82", which the screens did not help. There are no invulnerable ones.
  10. megafair
    megafair 30 May 2016 11: 24
    -1
    It would be better if the plates of dynamic protection were hung up, why reinvent the wheel. Moreover, with a tandem head - neither a lattice nor a DZ plate - will help.
  11. marshes
    marshes 30 May 2016 11: 24
    +3
    Can someone answer, did anyone shoot a canister of water from an RPG? What are the results?
  12. nivander
    nivander 30 May 2016 11: 31
    +1
    inhabited island
  13. Barakuda
    Barakuda 30 May 2016 11: 37
    +6
    Quote: marshes
    Can someone answer, did anyone shoot a canister of water from an RPG? What are the results?

    I shot, though in a barrel. NO RESULTS. In general. wink Only mate and laughter.
    1. marshes
      marshes 30 May 2016 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: Barracuda
      I shot, though in a barrel. NO RESULTS. In general.

      That is, there was no penetration of the back wall?
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 30 May 2016 11: 59
        +6
        There was nothing at all .. Torn pieces. No one with a barbell and a micrometer went there, and did not look for the remains. Neighing and all.
  14. erased
    erased 30 May 2016 11: 37
    -2
    I knew that they would reprint with an error. Which Syrian T-82? A typo, of course, but cool. Still T-70 would have written.
    And additional defense is completely nothing if it holds a blow.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 30 May 2016 11: 44
      +3
      Quote: erased
      I knew that they would reprint with an error. Which Syrian T-82? A typo, of course, but cool. Still T-70 would have written.
      And additional defense is completely nothing if it holds a blow.

      The article generally indicates why the T-82. Maybe you just need to read the article? And not just look at pictures?
  15. LPD17
    LPD17 30 May 2016 11: 45
    +2
    Question .... before minus .... sorry for not the topic ......
    and on what basis did the Magi decide to give the commander-in-chief from the museum to Israel?
    we have a lot of Magahs in storerooms and museums ???
    or will they send another one in return ???
    then let chtol and our equipment be returned!
    Ie donated state property-exhibit of the museum? as?!?!?
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 30 May 2016 12: 09
      +1
      Quote: LPD17
      Question .... before minus .... sorry for not the topic ......
      and on what basis did the Magi decide to give the commander-in-chief from the museum to Israel?
      we have a lot of Magahs in storerooms and museums ???
      or will they send another one in return ???
      then let chtol and our equipment be returned!
      Ie donated state property-exhibit of the museum? as?!?!?

      By the way, the same question arose - why not change?
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 31 May 2016 00: 20
        0
        By the way, the same question arose - why not change?

        So maybe they changed it for something? and not necessarily to a museum piece.
  16. LPD17
    LPD17 30 May 2016 11: 54
    +2
    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu thanked Russian President Vladimir Putin for returning to Jerusalem a tank captured during the battle near the village of Sultan Yaakub during the first Lebanon war. This was reported on the Israeli premier's Facebook page.

    “I thank the President of Russia, Vladimir Putin, for satisfying my request to return to Israel the tank captured in the battle from Sultan-Yaakub. The families of the missing Zachariah Baumel, Zvi Feldman and Yehuda Katz have not been aware of the fate of their sons for thirty-four years, they don’t know where their graves are, ”Netanyahu said. “This tank is the only evidence of that battle, and now it will return to Israel thanks to President Putin.”

    [media = http: //ria.ru/world/20160529/1440458752.html]
  17. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 30 May 2016 11: 57
    +2
    a number of Russian experts were very skeptical of this type of protection. “As it turned out, in vain.

    The best expert is the battlefield. And if, for example, the downy feather bed will save - confuse ...
    Only the experience of combat use will dot the i, the main thing is to absorb and take into account.
  18. svp67
    svp67 30 May 2016 12: 11
    +1
    Syrian T-82 become more secure
    , but if there are no observation cameras installed, then more "blind" ...
    In general, there is still room for improvement, I remember that during the Second World War there was one suggestion to increase the protection of the T-34 from German CS, using the concreting method -
    1. Bochik
      Bochik 30 May 2016 23: 00
      0
      but if there are no observation cameras installed, then even more "blind" ...

      And what is wrong with visibility? Does the look through the bars not penetrate?
  19. Chisayna
    Chisayna 30 May 2016 12: 51
    +1
    In KTO, in 74th Motorized Rifle Brigade, in TB, not a single tank was lost from RPGs and petro. There were explosions on HE mines. We did it like this. Zip boxes, on the tower were freed from Zip and filled up with sand. Fuel tanks on the right shelf and boxes On the left, too. In addition, on the tower in vulnerable places, boxes from under cartridges stuffed with sand or stones were tied. As it was, they drove on internal tanks, shells were loaded only into the transporter.
  20. Dulat
    Dulat 30 May 2016 12: 57
    +2
    If they began to hang in large numbers, then it helps
  21. Sars
    Sars 30 May 2016 12: 57
    0
    Thanks to body ads, the phrase "more secure" has a different meaning.

    And since the Syrians don’t hang anything from pieces of steel to baskets with stones, they probably help something, maybe even just from the psychological side.
  22. Lecha57
    Lecha57 30 May 2016 13: 02
    0
    The grill is not a panacea! But if, even 1: 5, something else. Moreover, it is difficult to argue with modern anti-tank systems.
  23. sinoptic
    sinoptic 30 May 2016 13: 11
    0
    Photo tanks - offset.
    They also forgot to curtain everything with carpets and pull the "jerboas" on the levers :)
  24. Aristide
    Aristide 30 May 2016 15: 10
    0
    In Syria, as in Russia, invention begins to flourish from hopelessness, but at the same time reaches the heights of efficiency. A very revealing example. Is it not a Russian invented? Then it is doubly pleasant that our people create miracles from the simplest materials.
  25. grawizapa
    grawizapa 30 May 2016 21: 57
    0
    exactly this photo of khokhlyat tanks last year caused laughter and contempt among our readers, why don’t our friends laugh now?
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 30 May 2016 23: 42
      0
      Quote: grawizapa
      exactly this photo of khokhlyat tanks last year caused laughter and contempt among our readers, why don’t our friends laugh now?

      Do not confuse shushpanzery and bets hung with window bars with serial production?
      What they do in factories, and even according to the standards of the Research Institute of Steel, is quite a good defense.