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Russian world and European civilization (composition of a student of the 11 class)

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Recently, in the Western and in the liberal domestic journalism a lot has been written about Russian barbarism against the background of European civilization. But if you compare the moral ideals and the real life of nations, look through the heroic pages stories Russian people, then there is a completely different picture.

For example, in the Russian pagan pantheon there was never a god of war, while among European nations the concept of a warlike deity dominated, the whole epic was built around wars and conquests.

After the victory over the Gentiles, the Russian man never sought to forcibly convert them to his faith.

In the epic “Ilya Muromets and Idol,” the Russian hero liberates Tsargrad from the rotten Idol, but refuses to be the commander of the city and returns to his homeland.

In ancient Russian literature there is no topic of enrichment during conquests, robberies, while plots on this topic are common in Western European literature.

The heroes of the "Song of the Nibelungen" obsessed with finding a hidden treasure - the gold of the Rhine.

The protagonist of the ancient English poem "Beowulf" dies, "saturating the eyes with a game of gems and the glitter of gold ... In exchange for wealth, I laid down life."

None of the heroes of the Russian epic does not come to mind putting life in exchange for wealth. Moreover, Ilya Muromets is not capable of accepting the payoff offered by the robbers - “the golden treasury, the colored dress and the good horses as needed”. He, without doubting, rejects the way where the "rich be", but voluntarily tests the way where the "killed be."

And not only in the epic, but also in legends, fairy tales, songs, proverbs and sayings of the Russian people, the duty of personal or clan honor has nothing to do with the duty of personal or clan revenge.

The concept of revenge as such is generally absent in Russian folklore, as if it was not originally included in the “genetic code” of the people, and the Russian soldier has always been a soldier-liberator.

And this is the difference between the Russian person and the West European one.

The Russian historian and philosopher Ivan Ilyin wrote: “Europe does not know us ... because the Slavo-Russian contemplation of the world, nature and man is alien to it. Western European humanity is moving by the will and mind. Russian man lives above all in his heart and imagination, and only then in his mind and will. Therefore, the average European is ashamed of sincerity, conscience and kindness as "stupidity."

Russian people, on the contrary, expect from a person first of all kindness, conscience and sincerity.

The European, brought up by Rome, despises to himself other peoples and wants to rule over them.

Russian people have always enjoyed the natural freedom of their space ... He always “wondered” at other nations, kindly got along with them and hated only invading enslavers ... ”.

The good neighborly attitude towards the peoples of the annexed territories testifies to the mercy and justice of the Russian people. The Russian people did not do such atrocities as enlightened Europeans in the conquered lands.

In national psychology there was a certain restraining moral principle. By nature, a strong, resilient, dynamic people were endowed with amazing survival.

On the strength of the spirit based and famous Russian long-suffering, and tolerance for others.

Under continuous invasions from all sides, in incredibly harsh climatic conditions, the Russian people colonized vast territories without destroying, enslaving, robbing and not crossing any people by force.

The colonial policies of the Western European nations eradicated the aborigines of the three continents, turned into slaves the people of vast Africa and invariably metropolises grew rich through colonies.

The Russian people, leading not only defensive wars, annexing, like all large nations, large territories, never treated the conquered like Europeans. From the European conquests the European nations lived better, the robbery of the colonies enriched the metropolis.

The Russian people did not plunder neither Siberia, nor Central Asia, nor the Caucasus, nor the Baltic states. Russia has saved every nation that has entered it. She was their protector, provided them with the right to land, property, faith, customs, culture.

Russia has never been a nationalist state, it belonged simultaneously to everyone living in it. The Russian people had only one “advantage” - to bear the burden of state-building.

As a result, a unique state in world history was created, which the Russian people defended with their blood, not sparing their lives.

It was precisely because he suffered such sufferings and tremendous sacrifices to his share that my people accepted, as their own pain, the sufferings of other peoples under the yoke of the nazis fascists.

And after the liberation of his native country with the same self-sacrifice, he released half of Europe with the same energy.

That was the heroism! This is the strength of the people’s spirit that gives birth to the Russian land!
And it seems to me that even a great people can decide on such a feat once a century.

Patriotism, which was demonstrated by a Russian soldier on the margins of the Great Patriotic War, is the patriotism of the highest standard, which neither world nor Russian history knew. And I will never agree with statements in the press about Russian “barbarism” and European “virtuousness”.

I am proud that our ancestors, our heroic ancestors were such beautiful, persistent, courageous and resilient, and we are their descendants!
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  1. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 1 June 2016 09: 28
    +106
    That's why in the West they hate us, because spiritually Russians are not from their gang of money-lovers. It is also pleasing that our youth is growing patriotic and kind.
    1. Finches
      Finches 1 June 2016 09: 33
      +183
      Well done girl!
      But I would also take off my hat to the teachers of the Radkov school of the Prokhorovsky district! hi
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 1 June 2016 09: 47
        +52
        To parents! To teachers! well done, otherwise they grow in places ...
        Yesterday on TV they showed a report from a forum taking place in the Amur Region. There, our young lady, studying at a Chinese school in Heihe, advertised her educational institution by saying that if you have shit with an ege, then you can go there ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 1 June 2016 09: 55
          +28
          Quote: Finches
          Well done girl!
          But I would also take off my hat to the teachers of the Radkov school of the Prokhorovsky district! hi


          Bravo, Russia will be the successor of its foundations and traditions - always.
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          2. megafair
            megafair 1 June 2016 11: 25
            +6
            Quote: cniza
            Russia will continue its traditions and traditions - always
            In order for it to be like this "always", it is necessary that people realize that their children should be raised by parents, not TV, at school they should not just give knowledge, but teach taking into account the great historical heritage of our Motherland.
            And this must be aware and do - each of us!
        2. Kostyar
          Kostyar 1 June 2016 10: 09
          +9
          Good girl!
          Though write books !!!
          1. Karasik
            Karasik 1 June 2016 10: 30
            +9
            Quote: Bone
            Good girl!
            Though write books !!!

            The girl has talent! He writes on such a topic, but without pathos, and still takes it for his soul. Remember her name Anna Zhdanova, we will see her books on store shelves soon. That’s it, Annushka, when you get married, don’t change your last name. You have already become famous! Bravo!
        3. lukewarm
          lukewarm 3 June 2016 13: 00
          0
          laughing The Unified State Exam, and so is a moron. This is what an epic freak ... you need to be a dummy so that everything sucks with EGE? Well, patriotism, of course, "rolls over" that the "yylita", that the "bottom": some shove into Oxfords Harvards and other .... And in the Amur region it turns out to be lucky to learn in a Chinese school. Colony, sir ...
      2. Sharapov
        Sharapov 1 June 2016 10: 18
        -1
        A worthy helper for Maria Zakharova is growing. Well done!
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 1 June 2016 10: 24
          +20
          Quote: Sharapov
          A worthy helper for Maria Zakharova is growing. Well done!

          Well, after Zakharova’s remarks about Stalin, I don’t respect him. And let the girl who knows the story be better than her.
          1. Sharapov
            Sharapov 1 June 2016 11: 10
            +1
            And Stalin, what side to the article? Try to discuss also the pedigree of Zakharova and her hobbies.
            Do not judge, but you will not be judged ..... (Matthew 7: 1,2)
        2. Finches
          Finches 1 June 2016 10: 27
          +9
          Zakharova lost a lot in my eyes after speaking about Stalin - it is immediately evident that MGIMO teachers worked with her, from the heyday of liberalism and the abusive attitude to her own history!
      3. Blondy
        Blondy 1 June 2016 10: 24
        .
        Am I supposed to lisp, or write to the ceiling from children's installations on the topic we are good and they are not very good. Diligent girls can make a lot of things, before, for example, they wrote about love for the CPSU — it also looked beautiful and patriotic. Maybe somewhere in a different audience we’ll deal with sussing.
        1. Finches
          Finches 1 June 2016 10: 31
          +33
          It’s not a matter of scribbling or a certain naivety of the composition — it’s the foundation that is correctly laid! And from this basis the real citizen will turn out that will benefit himself and our country, rather than pouring mud on it, receiving money from foreign grant-eaters! His children in the same spirit educates - that’s the point!
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 1 June 2016 11: 57
            +5
            Quote: Finches
            Raises his children in the same spirit - that’s the point!
            He educates if he sincerely believes in what he writes. And if you do not grow cold with age to your current ideals. The hardened cynics are frustrated romantics.
            1. Finches
              Finches 1 June 2016 12: 09
              +3
              It’s certainly possible to be disappointed in ideals, but to be disappointed in the spiritual and moral foundations is somewhat more difficult! To review, rethink over the years - yes, but no more ... They either exist or they don’t exist at all!
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 1 June 2016 13: 12
                +1
                Quote: Finches
                It’s certainly possible to be disappointed in ideals, but to be disappointed in the spiritual and moral foundations is somewhat more difficult! To review, rethink over the years - yes, but no more ... They either exist or they don’t exist at all!

                what Well, if not senior comrades suggested a topic, they say write about it - patriotism is now in fashion, judges will appreciate the competition.
                The girl could write from the heart, but she could just win the contest, score points, etc. Understanding comes far in 20 years, now all this, if the family and the school does not have the proper upbringing and environment, will quickly collapse. How many pioneers then became burnt hucksters / bandyuk remember? And the Communists are sellers of the motherland?
                The text is curious, a little naive, with Zadornovsky hints, the feeling that it was picked up somewhere on the tops, but nothing more. If she herself thinks exactly as she writes, then praise her parents and teachers.
                1. 2ez
                  2ez 2 June 2016 09: 36
                  +1
                  Sorry, understanding comes to those who seek ... And it’s far from always far beyond 20 ... By your logic, my grandfather went up to the attack without brains, drove like a slaughter? It is sad if you think so. It's not about age. In my relatives (as it happened) almost all men are warriors. The last one is a brother who has not crawled out of hostilities for 10 years. He is teaching now, he wanted to leave the army, they did not let me go, they say, with your experience he is obliged to pass on to the young. He told me that in war people grow up in hours ...
              2. a housewife
                a housewife 1 June 2016 14: 32
                +6
                I agree completely! How can a whole country be disappointed ?! In my country! You can change your mind about individual events or people, but our country is Great! That's right, the girl wrote everything. It is seen that from the heart. No stamped phrases. Well done!
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        2. avva2012
          avva2012 1 June 2016 10: 34
          +10
          Quote: Blondy Maybe somewhere in a different audience we’ll deal with sussing.

          Well, what are you, we need to repeat from morning to evening, "the country of slaves, the country of masters." And ashes, head, ashes.
          A nation, like an individual, needs a positive attitude towards itself. And overwhelming is periodically useful.
          1. Lukich
            Lukich 1 June 2016 11: 27
            +15
            Quote: avva2012
            Well, what are you, we need to repeat from morning to evening, "the country of slaves, the country of masters." And ashes, head, ashes.
            A nation, like an individual, needs a positive attitude towards itself. And overwhelming is periodically useful.

            just what I found on the internet. awesome ...
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 1 June 2016 12: 51
              +6
              Quote: Lukich just what I found on the internet. awesome ...

              An excellently made, so-called, viral video. good It is a pity that there are few Russian rollers of such quality and content and that he has not been translated into the language of a potential adversary.
        3. Spnsr
          Spnsr 1 June 2016 10: 51
          +8
          Quote: Blondy
          Am I supposed to lisp, or write to the ceiling from children's installations on the topic we are good and they are not very good. Diligent girls can make a lot of things, before, for example, they wrote about love for the CPSU — it also looked beautiful and patriotic. Maybe somewhere in a different audience we’ll deal with sussing.

          why don't you admit that
          Quote: Blondy
          Diligent girls can make a lot of things, before, for example, they wrote about love for the CPSU — it also looked beautiful and patriotic.
          weren't sincere?
          and so here the topic is not about sussyukaniyu, but about the continuation! what we want and what we want to see in posterity !!!
          1. Blondy
            Blondy 1 June 2016 11: 34
            -9
            Of course, sincere, but are you sure sure that this sincerity of the kindergarten will be enough not to be modified in an environment with a pronounced manipulation of consciousness and not in the spirit of the values ​​of the Russian world?
            1. Finches
              Finches 1 June 2016 11: 54
              +11
              The girl is 16 years old and she is on the right track, and you are trying to find some second bottom of hypocrisy in her ... Maybe you are just jealous of her youth?

              Sorry if I allowed myself a little extra! hi
            2. Spnsr
              Spnsr 1 June 2016 15: 19
              +1
              Quote: Blondy
              Of course, sincere, but are you sure sure that this sincerity of the kindergarten will be enough not to be modified in an environment with a pronounced manipulation of consciousness and not in the spirit of the values ​​of the Russian world?

              breaking of human consciousness occurs at any time interval! today is the most ardent "patriot", tomorrow may be the most ardent opponent ...
              a lot depends on how pliable a person is, the human psyche is not an empty phrase! it's like history, jags define the perception of modernity! and even at the last moment, when a person already begins to perceive differently, there remains a doubt emanating through the "authoritative" word, which throws a person back into "slavery", not for nothing that the Slav in the English is a slave, and now the Turkic-speaking tribes are substituting the concept of a Turk by blood! all this breaks the consciousness of people, makes them abandon their ancestors, the past and flee to Europe or Turkey, just because they have already convinced themselves that they are above all the trash slaves! and as soon as something like this appears, as in this article, someone will surely appear who will oppose his power to the one who gives to another, and from which we have not given up, but he wants to make sure that others refuse this involvement, exposing criticism, knowing that there are people who are weak, susceptible to momentary influence and who will subconsciously support, since they also do not believe in themselves but believe in a slave story !!!
        4. bulvas
          bulvas 1 June 2016 11: 43
          +5
          Quote: Blondy
          Am I supposed to lisp, or write to the ceiling from children's installations on the topic we are good and they are not very good. Diligent girls can make a lot of things, before, for example, they wrote about love for the CPSU — it also looked beautiful and patriotic. Maybe somewhere in a different audience we’ll deal with sussing.


          I would choose "Write to the ceiling" - it would be interesting to see


          1. lukewarm
            lukewarm 3 June 2016 13: 27
            +1
            laughing Mozh and interesting, but to stay away. So that the fountain does not cover. I didn’t see the ceiling at home ... Bile burst here.
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        6. capitosha1rang
          capitosha1rang 1 June 2016 14: 21
          +3
          I don’t know who this (or maybe such) this / this Blondy is, but you can already debate with her / him - you can see the human face, and not the chevrons-emblems of the arms of the armed forces under general stars.
          In our time, you can express your opinion without hiding your face, but what happens - again, the days of anonymous letters come?
          1. Finches
            Finches 1 June 2016 14: 23
            +3
            Alex, what are you talking about? Do you suggest that only the user's photo would be in the place of the avatar? With such ideas, you need to go to the State Duma - there is a similar lawmaking in honor! laughing

            To you my "+" for originality! hi
            1. capitosha1rang
              capitosha1rang 1 June 2016 15: 22
              +7
              I mean that, relatively speaking, "laudatory" comments can be presented by anyone / anything - they have the main position, a compromising one. The avatar can have an image of anything, even a ram. Well, because if you agree, nobody cares about your image.
              And, in case of disagreement, if you want to express what you really think and what your soul hurts about, show your face. Come out, defend your position with an open visor.
              Especially, if on shoulders officer, especially general shoulder straps!
              At what times did Russian officers hide behind masks of raccoons, some gingerbread cookies, etc. (You yourself see what plywood many of the commentators sit under)?
              There is an opinion, if you want to speak / comment - express, comment, but keep in mind that you must (or have to) answer for your words.
              The prospect of answering for your words, you see, will only contribute to the content and quality of the comments.
              Otherwise, our reputable site will become like some kind of Facebook, Classmates, LJ and other gossips.
              If my message hurt you personally, I’m sorry, but understand my position - well, enough, barked, at one time due to curtains in the kitchen.
              Yours faithfully,
              Alex Linkevich

              Russian patriot and writer
              proza.ru ›avtor / alinkufa
        7. RomanS
          RomanS 2 June 2016 08: 49
          +2
          Dear Blondy, these comments forum users discuss an article written not by you. Expressing a personal, subjective attitude to the text and the author (again not about you). A diligent girl will broadcast her worldview to the surrounding society. And he finds many people who share her views.
      4. Prisoner
        Prisoner 1 June 2016 10: 39
        0
        In front of the girl (everything was splendidly stated, clever!), In front of teachers and in front of parents.
      5. Valter1364
        Valter1364 1 June 2016 10: 55
        +1
        The girl is rather smart! smile
      6. Skif83
        Skif83 1 June 2016 12: 53
        +3
        Moreover, to force officials at all levels to memorize this letter and be guided by it. And who is not with us ... angry
      7. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 1 June 2016 17: 41
        +2
        "I am proud that our ancestors, our heroic ancestors, and we are their descendants were so beautiful, persistent, courageous and hardy!"

        And I am proud that in spite of everything, in Russia there are such girls. Annushka, write me in a personal address - to send a bouquet of flowers.
      8. Pasha
        Pasha 2 June 2016 12: 14
        0
        Girl 16 years old. Thanks to her and her parents. Teachers too.
        The main idea is the Purity of the Slavic World.
        To expand the territory of the state is not conquering, but defending. This is the point.
        WELL DONE.
      9. python2a
        python2a 2 June 2016 15: 45
        0
        Without good teachers and parents, such a girl would not have been.
      10. Apsit
        Apsit 3 June 2016 10: 45
        0
        Quote: Finches
        he took off his hat to the teachers of the Radkov school of the Prokhorovsky district!

        And in front of her parents hi
      11. su163
        su163 3 June 2016 20: 58
        0
        And bowed before the Parents.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 1 June 2016 09: 36
      +28
      Russian world and European civilization (essay by a student of grade 11

      Thank God, that such a generation is growing up in our country, you will look at Ukraine, what kind of tricks there have been brought up, it’s terrible. I’m happy to thank you for your work and for keeping the memory of our heroic ancestors. yes
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 1 June 2016 10: 30
        +11
        Quote: vovanpain
        Thank God that such a generation is growing up in our country, you will look at Ukraine, what kind of smoothes have been raised there, it takes terrible things.

        about the generation: yesterday there were four in the garages, 13-14 years old, and one girlfriend with them, they whipped beer from the "poltorashka", squeezed the girl in turn, and of course smoked. ... I was recruiting a district police officer - evening - they were resting, they did not take the pipe, sir, I got cops: let's find out who I am, where I live, who I am "children", invited to write a statement! spat (sent everyone to himself). like this ... what can you do to them? "Ombutsman" Astakhov will come and put me in jail for ... find for what ... he consoles a little that there are children like this, who wrote the essay. recourse
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 1 June 2016 11: 18
          +13
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          about the generation: yesterday there were four in garages, about 13-14 years old, and one girlfriend with them, they whipped beer from the "poltorashka", squeezed the girl in turn, and smoked, of course.

          but this is the same generation.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 1 June 2016 18: 53
            0
            Quote: Lukich
            but this is the same generation.

            such guys warm their souls! hi
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 1 June 2016 14: 50
          +4
          Such as in the garage were, there are and under any conditions will still be. The main thing is that there are people like this Anya. And who else was there at the competition? Not from the garages, for sure. Here it is all about quantity - how many of these. And not even in quantity, but in trend. The naivete of a girl in an essay? And who at the age of 16-18 was not naive? Were all at once wise and understanding everything? At this age, children still represent what they absorbed from their surroundings, especially in the family. But also at school! And with friends! It is very important what friends. From the garage or ordinary, normal people. Anya, undoubtedly a talent, it is necessary to support him. And then there are those that immediately peck to rush. Out of envy or anger.
          1. Andrey Yuryevich
            Andrey Yuryevich 1 June 2016 18: 54
            +2
            Quote: housewife
            Here it is all about quantity - how many of these.

            holy truth ... but my eyes do not console me ..
            . It is very important what friends. From the garage or ordinary, normal people.
            THEY are not from the GARAGE, and at home they are ordinary and normal. You understand Irina, children have now become "advanced", cunning and smart in the wrong direction, "social networks" are a feeding trough for them, they learn everything from them, including how to "dissolve old people", this is a very difficult topic, and in a nutshell, do not describe ... if I gave them a slap on the head and kicked them under *** y, I would have been in the cell! and they KNOW IT! They would have hanged all the dogs on me, oh poor children ... they are just children! (Does it look like anything?) It's hard to say, but not everything is all right in our country with young people, not everything ...
      2. Strategia
        Strategia 2 June 2016 22: 52
        0
        Are you talking about the burned out in the House of Trade Unions in Odessa? Do you think they are splatters? And in Moscow, the White House in 1993, the heroes shot or spanking?
    3. shooter18
      shooter18 1 June 2016 10: 16
      +9
      I would also add the difference of punishments in laws in the countries of Europe and Russia .. For example, for stealing a horse in Russia, you were obliged to pay a fine of 3 hryvnias, a horse in the market cost 3 hryvnias !! And in Europe, for the crime too, they chopped off a hand (self-mutilation) ... And at the same time, for public humiliation, for example, for a torn tuft of beard)) in Russia a fine of 12 hryvnias was imposed !! But in Europe there was no such law! That is, our honor and dignity have always been above all material wealth !!
      1. potroshenko
        potroshenko 1 June 2016 12: 15
        -5
        For example, for stealing a horse in Russia, they obligated to pay a fine of 3 hryvnias, a horse in the market cost 3 hryvnias !!

        And they paid as much for stealing a horse as for the life of an ordinary Russian peasant (slave, stink). See Klim Zhukov (a wonderful historian) and get enlightened.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 1 June 2016 14: 56
          0
          And in the west they paid nothing. There were other punishments. And how much now does the state pay the family for the killed not a slave, but a citizen? Compare with the price of the car.
          1. potroshenko
            potroshenko 1 June 2016 16: 28
            -3
            And in the west they paid nothing. There were other punishments.

            What do your minuses have to do with my factual claim? True eyes prick? Can you back up your text with evidence?
            And how much now does the state pay the family for the killed not a slave, but a citizen? Compare with the price of the car.

            Well, compare how much it pays in Western countries and in Russia. The result will not be in your favor.
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 1 June 2016 18: 03
              0
              Do you understand me? What am I saying - nowadays they pay a lot? They pay a little. I just wanted to say that paying with money is only material compensation and that’s it. And only recently, it seems, they have passed a law that the one who caused it must pay the damage to the citizen, and if it is impossible, the state. Which does not exempt from criminal liability. I'm not talking about the payments that are paid to the relatives of those killed in disasters or in the performance of duties (military or firefighters, for example). By the way, your statements are based on what facts - it is not visible here. And at the same time share how there with these questions in the independent? All in chocolate?
            2. lukewarm
              lukewarm 3 June 2016 13: 34
              +1
              The amount here does not change the essence. Everyone has different possibilities. Would print money like the Fed - would also give more. A minus to you is not for the facts (which, by the way, are not visible), but for the ideology of a purebred.
        2. shooter18
          shooter18 1 June 2016 19: 09
          +2
          I said that for a Russian man honor is more expensive than money ... the West is material, they tried to live their whole history so that they would envy them, they say look at how they live .. But I'm not interested, I’m more familiar with my house ...
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 1 June 2016 14: 32
        +3
        Quote: shooter18
        I would also add the difference of punishments in laws in the countries of Europe and Russia ..

        "And it should be like in Turkey. There the thief will be put in a vat of shit, and above him a janissary with a scimitar and every 5 minutes vzhiiik ..." smile
    4. Lukich
      Lukich 1 June 2016 10: 24
      +6
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      because spiritually the Russians are not from their gang of money-lovers.
    5. Volga Cossack
      Volga Cossack 1 June 2016 10: 25
      +4
      smart girl Anya !!!! written from the Soul. I am calm for the next generation while such compositions are written in schools. and you Anechka and Teachers and your Parents - Thank you!
    6. Volga Cossack
      Volga Cossack 1 June 2016 10: 25
      0
      smart girl Anya !!!! written from the Soul. I am calm for the next generation while such compositions are written in schools. and you Anechka and Teachers and your Parents - Thank you!
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 1 June 2016 15: 09
        0
        And the standard of living in the West is still an order of magnitude higher than ours. And this is the main carrier, the backbone of genuine patriotism. In tales of spirituality with the general poverty of the people you will not go far.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 1 June 2016 15: 14
          +3
          Quote: Basarev And the standard of living in the West is still an order of magnitude higher than ours. And this is the main carrier, the backbone of genuine patriotism. In tales of spirituality with the general poverty of the people you will not go far.

          You have some kind of gastrointestinal patriotism. Good appetite and stool, is this the main thing?
          "Widespread poverty" in Russia? You are from BBC virtual reality, disconnect.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 1 June 2016 15: 48
            -1
            You will compare how pensioners live in Denmark and with us - and you will understand too.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 1 June 2016 16: 07
              +4
              Quote: Basarev You will compare how pensioners live in Denmark and with us - and you will understand too.

              Yes Yes. They live differently. And, here are pensioners of the Wehrmacht, they generally had a wonderful life. Why they lived, what they fought for, hell knows. Although, the gastrointestinal tract did not work badly. This, I'm talking about spirituality.
              1. Basarev
                Basarev 1 June 2016 20: 15
                -1
                That is, you approve of the actions of the authorities, because of which grandmothers sometimes have to rummage through garbage dumps, as I understand it?
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 2 June 2016 03: 48
                  +1
                  I don’t remember the name of how you answered, but it has nothing to do with logic. If my comment was that I approve of low pensions, then your question would be correct. And, so, this is called juggling (the term household, alas). My idea is that patriotism is a state of mind that is not related to the quality and quantity of food. Our veterans may not have ridden Mercedes, but they did not hide the awards and did not feel like killers, unlike them.
                  Yes, and where did you see pensioners in the garbage can? Homeless people there will not be allowed to rummage.
                  1. Basarev
                    Basarev 2 June 2016 06: 12
                    0
                    Quote: avva2012
                    If my comment was that I approve of low pensions, then your question would be correct.

                    Just, judging by your comment, you equate a decent standard of living in general and large pensions to robbery and imperialism, which is noticeable in your quote
                    Quote: avva2012
                    And, here are pensioners of the Wehrmacht, they generally had a wonderful life. Why they lived, what they fought for, hell knows. Although, the gastrointestinal tract did not work badly. This, I'm talking about spirituality.

                    Which is very close in meaning to full agreement and promotion of poverty created by the state. But I consider the level of material consumption primary and central, and all sorts of absurd ideas are far in tenths. And Marx, by the way, agrees with me. In Capital, it is absolutely explicitly written that the economy is the main carrier of the standard of living, and the ideology and various ideological ideals like patriotism and spirituality are just a superstructure that does not play any significant role.
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 2 June 2016 07: 38
                      +1
                      Quote: Basarev you equate a decent standard of living in general and large pensions to robbery and imperialism

                      This is not what I equate, but the classics of Marxism, but on the whole I agree with them.
                      the level of material consumption is primary and central, and all sorts of absurd ideas are far in tenths

                      Patriotism, an absurd idea? Oh well.
                      and ideology and various near-ideological mura like patriotism and spirituality are just a superstructure that does not play any significant role.

                      The first thing a child understands is: is he a boy or a girl. Then, that he has a surname. After some time, nationality (belonging to religion). Who am I?! This is ideology, part of self-identification. We are rural, they are urban, beat them! The same thing happens at the state level. Paramount, who are WE?
                      An example that is known from school. Weimer Republic. Hunger, unemployment, inflation, poverty. Result: the rise of patriotism in the country. The Germans did not cease to be Germans, did not give up self-identification.
                      What you write is really scary. This is the dream of any conqueror. Destroy, turn into muru self-awareness of the people.
                      Around the 50s of the 20th century, in the United States, experiments were carried out to treat the mentally ill. In one of the clinics, a supporter of your basis, decided that you can defeat the disease by erasing the patient's personality. Then, as he thought, "write" a new one. What happened, can you imagine?
                      You want to do a similar thing with the country.
                      1. Basarev
                        Basarev 2 June 2016 09: 23
                        0
                        I’m writing not to destroy self-awareness, but to stop plugging economic punctures with patriotism. You write the opposite - all for the sake of patriotism, and you are even ready to put the welfare of the people in ruin. So I see the ending of your idea - a poor, backward country like Cuba or Cambodia, but with an outrageous conceit.
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 2 June 2016 12: 38
                        0
                        Spirit, this is the only thing that distinguishes man from the beast. Believe me, these are not big words. An animal, after all, also has a soul; it thinks, it has emotions.
                        We will cease to be people if havchik becomes the main one. Something like annelids. Food and breeding.
                        Modern Western society is pushing its citizens towards this. They are already willing to pay something like a welfer to everyone who is "not particularly valuable." Herb, no question, you want heroin, you don't want it, methadone. Universe of spectacled snakes of the small intestine.
                        Do you want this for us? And do not nod to Cuba and Cambodia. You apparently didn’t talk to these people. I, too, but in my opinion, live, give birth to children, are happy watching the sunset over the sea.
                        And, they are people (at least in larger numbers) than where you like it.
                      3. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 2 June 2016 20: 58
                        -3
                        And do not nod to Cuba and Cambodia.
                        Do you want Cambodian happiness for yourself?
                      4. avva2012
                        avva2012 3 June 2016 03: 47
                        +2
                        Do you want Cambodian happiness for yourself?

                        You make sense, then you understand, no? And la, Alexander Romanov? True, he asks such a question about the DPRK, but what's the difference for you?
  • starshina78
    starshina78 2 June 2016 09: 36
    0
    Reading this, written by a student of grade 11, is very unusual. Or maybe I'm not very good opinion about modern eleventh graders? Amazing Well done Anya! This essay must be distributed to the UN so that members of the organization read it and understand that they know and value their history in Russia.
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  • Al1977
    Al1977 2 June 2016 12: 50
    0
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    That's why in the West they hate us

    In which country have you been and felt hatred?
    I’m not much mistaken if ... in no way, for what is there to be done in this geyrop who hates us
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 2 June 2016 14: 25
      -1
      Quote: Al1977
      We will cease to be people if havchik becomes the main one.

      But we all understand that prosperity and spirituality are not antonyms. You will not argue that only complete and hopeless poverty leads to enlightenment. So far I see the opposite: after all, everyone knows that one of the highest degrees of spirituality is pacifism, which is the large-scale desire of the masses for peace. So, in rich countries of Western Europe, one cannot hear warlike slogans - only in the garbage republics of Eastern Europe. And in the Middle East, they wet each other with bundles without stopping the machine - also because of poverty. It is precisely in this that the real reason for the hatred of the Arab states toward Israel is banal black envy. The bottom line is that wealth and honor do not lead to degeneration - with proper management of this wealth.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 2 June 2016 16: 25
        +1
        Quote: Basarev So far I see the opposite: after all, everyone knows that one of the highest degrees of spirituality is pacifism, which is the large-scale desire of the masses for peace. So, in rich countries of Western Europe, one cannot hear warlike slogans - only in the garbage republics of Eastern Europe. And in the Middle East, they wet each other with bundles without stopping the machine - also because of poverty. It is precisely in this that the real reason for the hatred of the Arab states toward Israel is banal black envy. The bottom line is that wealth and honor do not lead to degeneration - with proper management of this wealth.

        The highest spiritual value is love for one's neighbor.
        Agree, but this ideal is unattainable in relation to the masses, like a horizon. An individual can, but after a long spiritual work on himself. But will he then be called a man?
        And, pacifism, it’s on the mind of the consumer, a fake, in short. The masses cannot strive for peace, because aggression is the basic instinct of any living creature. Since aggression is instinct, it cannot be crushed by any reasoning. It can be redirected (therefore, those people who could overcome aggression, are they people?), To something else. Usually, aggression crushed in the outside goes inside. "So, in the rich countries of Western Europe, something is not heard militant slogans." Yes, I can’t hear it, they quietly end their lives. The most advanced suicide country is Switzerland. Then come the Scandinavian countries. Well, and so on, by the same principle. The richer the country, the higher the level of independent departure from life. Where is Cuba and Cambodia on this list?
        In Europe, it is not just degeneration that happens; people lose their meaning in life there. There is no God, there is plenty of food, you can have sex as soon as the pussy has risen and in any possible ways. If only enough imagination, no one will blame.
        Particulars that you bring: Israel and ISIS.
        Again I will return from where I started. The point is not that the Palestinians live poorly (ask the Israelis at the forum at least), and as you put it, "envy." In my opinion, they are fighting for an idea, for their Palestine, that is, freedom. Therefore, they are at war. The Jews, who themselves have experienced a lot in history, for a certain number of "well-fed years", simply ceased to understand this. On this line, a colleague from Israel writes, "we built water pipelines for them ...", but they don't agree to a compromise.
        Everything on this place you can sign. The Jews of Israel, after some time, are degrading into the same European ghouls. It's a pity.
        ISIS? You know, but it seems to me that this chimera is artificially formed. IT was made by specialists from the USA. This is the approbation of technologies that will be used in the future and in another theater of operations. Something from the "white brotherhood" in the 90s, only with the AK-47. IMHO, I understand that this thought is already close to paranoia.
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 2 June 2016 17: 23
          0
          The most advanced suicide country is Switzerland. Then come the Scandinavian countries. Well, and so on, by the same principle. The richer the country, the higher the level of independent departure from life. Where is Cuba and Cambodia on this list?

          May I see your source of information?
          Here is what Wiipedia says about this:
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%81%D1%82%

          D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%BF%D0%BE_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%

          D0%B2%D1%83_%D1%81%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2

          This is not at all what you are writing about. How can this be explained?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 3 June 2016 04: 12
            +1
            This is not at all what you are writing about. How can this be explained?

            In general, explaining is not required, as you understand. Such appeal to a person who is not subordinate to you or if you are not a prosecutor is not beautiful.
            But still I’ll answer, because you are not the only one reading the comments.
            I understand perfectly well that you can check this or that information in a commentary in a matter of seconds, so if you respect yourself, you will not write explicit misinformation. This example is proof that not everything that is written on Wikipedia is the ultimate truth. This article is co-authored, Suicide Prevention: A Global Imperative. 2012 WHO European Office. I don’t want to blame anyone, or God forbid, to raise doubts in you, in the impartiality of this article, but excuse me, I have other sources of information. Are there any, they are in the public domain on the Internet, I don't know, I haven't looked. I cannot give links. So, whatever your will, you can think about me, about this, whatever. I skimmed through the report, questions still appeared about its content.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 June 2016 09: 32
    +13
    Ah, well done. I wrote from the heart. You can only join.
  • Putinets
    Putinets 1 June 2016 09: 35
    +14
    If there are such youths, we are invincible and Russia will not perish. Not all around DB and majors. They are simply more visible, they are like a teal, which is visible from afar. But the body is basically clean
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 1 June 2016 09: 35
    +5
    In general, it’s true, but there is enough stupidity in us, with which it is necessary "fight mercilessly" (C)
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 1 June 2016 09: 35
    +16
    16 years old girl, but thinks right! hi
  • Denis DV
    Denis DV 1 June 2016 09: 36
    +8
    Well done! 5+ good
  • Russia
    Russia 1 June 2016 09: 38
    +4
    Strong!!!



    The moderator asks you to add words, but I don’t want to ...
  • Siga77
    Siga77 1 June 2016 09: 40
    +8
    There are a lot of such essays, reflections, and utterances for all to see, not only in the internet, but in all mass media. It would be nice to organize a whole section on television about the patriotic education of children, but it would be better to show our TV how the whores are shaking * opami * on stage and singing under plywood.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 1 June 2016 09: 50
      +18
      Author of text (words):
      Ancharov M.
      Composer (music):
      Kataev I.
      Text (words) of the song “Remember, Russia, how it all happened” (print)

      Remember, Russia
      How it all happened:
      How half life went
      You have to fight
      How are your songs
      Halfway around the world
      Half a century flew by
      On your rails.

      And a hundred thousand hopes
      And the ruins of red-hot
      And a hundred thousand fireworks,
      And a groan of wires
      And fierce tenderness
      Your battalions
      Fit in yours
      Fifty years.

      At your borders
      Blazing fires.
      Every year, like a temple
      Surviving the fire.
      Every year, as an inter
      Between new and old.
      Every year, like a child,
      Hurrying to me.

      On the edge of town
      Where are the new homes,
      In the cold wind
      I'll open my finger
      So that flying to the stars
      Moscow triples
      I'm freezing dust
      Dropped in the face.
      So that flying to the stars
      Moscow triples
      I'm freezing dust
      Dropped in the face.

      Winter is just there -
      After all, summer has come out!
      And forever saying goodbye
      With old longing
      The shell breaks
      Old woman planet -
      Young comes out
      From the foam of the sea.

      I love and laugh
      Nothing to regret.
      I fought and lived
      How could - according to a dream.
      I'm sorry if it's better
      I can’t say.
      I’m in, Russia,
      To your beauty!
      1. 97110
        97110 1 June 2016 10: 27
        +7
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Remember, Russia
        How it all happened:
        How half life went
        You have to fight

        And, most importantly, don’t forget, Russia, how you sold it all, for the right to steal and the right to buy sausage, jeans and chewing gum.
  • mpzss
    mpzss 1 June 2016 09: 41
    +6
    Well, what can I say?
    You won’t say anything! Cool written! The main thing is that if not all would think so, then most of the citizens of our mighty, large and great country!
    1. wandlitz
      wandlitz 1 June 2016 09: 45
      +4
      And if even those in power thought so and those who were wrestling near power.
      1. volodimer
        volodimer 1 June 2016 10: 09
        +4
        (sadly in voice) And you, my friend, a romantic ...
      2. Lukich
        Lukich 1 June 2016 10: 19
        +21
        Quote: wandlitz
        And if even those in power thought so and those who were wrestling near power.

        previously thought
    2. kit_bellew
      kit_bellew 1 June 2016 10: 38
      +4
      Quote: mpzss
      You won’t say anything! Cool written! The main thing is that if not all would think so, then most of the citizens of our mighty, large and great country!

      Quote: wandlitz
      And if even those in power thought so and those who were wrestling near power.

      Alas, this is not why democracy was implanted in Russia so that those in power would listen to schoolchildren. Although - that's a paradox! - just all of us, "multinational people" should be in power (Article 3 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation).
      In the USSR, meetings of labor collectives, among other things, performed the function of nominating people to local (district, city, rural, etc.) councils. They nominated people whom they knew well, with whom they worked side by side, who would be guaranteed to defend the interests of the people. And now? Confusion on all planes of being and the "powers that be" is known it’s not known where they caught all the folk fish in muddy water. And frankly by poaching. And you still want, they shoby shmazlov, you listened? Oh, wei!
  • Alexez
    Alexez 1 June 2016 09: 42
    +7
    + Anna, was not afraid to write what she thinks and feels!
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 2 June 2016 12: 52
      -1
      Quote: Alexez
      Anna, was not afraid to write what she thinks and feels!

      Who was not afraid?
  • efimich41
    efimich41 1 June 2016 09: 43
    +7
    Well done Anna Zhdanova. It is pleasant to know that our youth receive a good patriotic education and read the necessary books. I put "+".
  • avva2012
    avva2012 1 June 2016 09: 48
    +1
    Ancestors, they are ....
    The Roman method of warfare was distinguished by targeted cruelty. The battles in which the Romans participated were accompanied by the deaths of tens of thousands of people. An even greater number were recaptured by cavalry during the pursuit. Men captured with weapons in their hands were killed or maimed. Old men, women and children were killed, stolen or driven out into the field. The war-ridden terrain was devastated, cities and villages were ruined, buildings were burned, livestock and property of the inhabitants were plundered. Why did the “civilized” Romans use such barbaric methods of armed struggle during wars?
    Carrying out the tactics of terror, the Romans pursued two main goals. Firstly, destroying the enemy’s resources in the bud, they deprived him of the further opportunity to resist in an organized manner. Secondly, by intimidating enemies with manifestations of cruelty, the Romans sought to break or suppress their will to resist.
    How strongly impressed by these tactics of terror on their opponents, we can learn from the message of the Roman historian Titus Livius. In his presentation of this material he relied on another, not reached us, the original text of Polybius. The case took place in the spring of 199 BC. at the initial stage of the Second Macedonian War, when two detachments of scouts from the Roman and Macedonian army suddenly collided with each other. They entered into a fight that lasted for a long time, and then each parted in his own direction, losing a certain amount of his people.
    “Philip [the Macedonian king] decided to take care of the burial of the horsemen who died in this battle ... The sight of the funeral was to arouse the soldiers' ardor and readiness not to spare their lives, but instead filled them with fear and despondency. Until now, they only had to see wounds from spears or arrows, occasionally from a peak, Yes, and they used to fight only with the Greeks and Illyrians; now, having seen corpses mutilated by Spanish swords, hands cut off with one blow along with a shoulder, severed heads, tumbled out guts and much more, just as scary and disgusting, Philip’s soldiers were horrified by what kind of people they would have to deal with with what weapons ” .
    http://warspot.ru/6004-gore-pobezhdyonnym
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 11: 53
      +10
      Quote: avva2012
      Ancestors, they are ....

      and descendants, they are ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 1 June 2016 12: 36
        +2
        Quote: Pinky F. and descendants, they are ...

        Whose descendants? Did you come from the Romans? belayOr this blockhead?
        Pretending you do not understand what it is about? wink
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 13: 32
          -2
          Quote: avva2012
          Pretending you do not understand what it is about?

          Yeah, I don’t understand what this multi-letter retrospection is for. The peak of stupidity is to approach antiquity with the current civilizational patterns. As I understand it, the bloodthirstiness of Flavius ​​compares favorably with the touching splint of peace and creativity of our ancestors?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 1 June 2016 14: 29
            +2
            Quote: Pinky F. Yeah, I don’t understand what this multi-letter retrospection is for. The peak of stupidity is to approach antiquity with the current civilizational patterns.

            Social Darwinism, in another way, is it more understandable? If the ancestors were ghouls, and you associate yourself with them, then you can expect approximately the same behavior from you. This, I'm about Europeans. Hence gas chambers, concentration camps, experiments on people. Hence, 26-7.300 mln. (Military personnel), the loss of the USSR in the Great Patriotic War. Top reached? wink
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 1 June 2016 18: 15
          +1
          And there are two descendants - one machine with the correct inscription parked badly, and the other - left the right letter. I don’t think that my grandfather wrote a note.
  • PValery53
    PValery53 1 June 2016 09: 50
    +7
    The schoolgirl spoke out as it should, to the Russian man. Well done! - All the conquerors found and will find only big troubles on Russian soil.
    1. Lukich
      Lukich 1 June 2016 10: 21
      +13
      Quote: PValery53
      All the conquerors found and will find on the Russian land only great troubles.

      quite right
      1. boris-1230
        boris-1230 1 June 2016 17: 25
        +2
        Whoever comes to us with a sword will receive a shout!
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 1 June 2016 09: 53
    0
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    That's why in the West they hate us, because spiritually Russians are not from their gang of money-lovers. It is also pleasing that our youth is growing patriotic and kind.

    They hate it because at the subconscious level they understand their inferiority compared to Russian people. They smell that Russian people are smarter, stronger, more moral, cleaner and better in every way! That's what gnaws at these western wimps!
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 09: 56
      +1
      Quote: Volzhanin
      Russian people are smarter, stronger, more moral, cleaner and better in every way!

      to tears...
      Quote: Volzhanin
      That's what gnaws at these western wimps!

      Yes nothing gnaws them. No need to sculpt myths about our exclusiveness. People are like people.
    2. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 2 June 2016 21: 26
      0
      understand their inferiority compared to Russian people.
      Are you serial? And yes, nothing is chewing on anyone in the west. For them, Russia is a distant distant country like Brazil.
  • volodya
    volodya 1 June 2016 09: 55
    +5
    It is gratifying that the young write such compositions!
  • Megavolt
    Megavolt 1 June 2016 09: 58
    .
    But what about such, say, statements ..?
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 1 June 2016 10: 03
      +13
      Did you specifically put this fake here or knowingly?
      The feeling of the second! All interviews of the Patriarch on this subject are online.
      Where is Lavrov with his statement ?!
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 1 June 2016 10: 07
        +3
        This is the interview!
      2. Megavolt
        Megavolt 1 June 2016 10: 07
        .
        Gundyaev said what he said ...
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 10: 10
          -8
          Quote: Megavolt
          Gundyaev said what he said ...

          "painted himself in those colors in which he ... painted himself." (c)
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 1 June 2016 10: 14
          +6
          Someone hears words, while someone listens to the work of their own intestines, and therefore perversely perceives human speech. Yes, if you don’t know, then the Patriarch is a monk. It has only the name given during monastic tonsure.
          1. Megavolt
            Megavolt 1 June 2016 10: 24
            -5
            Yes, if not in the know, then the Patriarch is a monk

            Well then, can you recall the size of this monk's Moscow "monastic cell" ..?
            Or the make and model of the vehicle that this "monk" uses on his travels ..? laughing
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 1 June 2016 10: 41
              +9
              Quote: Megavolt Well then, can you recall the size of this monk's Moscow "monastic cell" ..? Or the make and model of the vehicle that this "monk" uses in his travels ..?

              Not you, but you.
              Secondly, he is practically the head of state with a considerable population. Accordingly, nothing belongs to him personally, including as a monk. Thirdly, it's time to change the training manual.
              Wander from site to site and how to carry a carbon copy of the same. Do you have your own brains?
              1. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 10: 49
                -1
                Quote: avva2012
                Secondly, he is practically the head of state with a considerable population.

                Well, you are too much, perhaps)
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 1 June 2016 10: 57
                  +5
                  Orthodox related to the Russian Orthodox Church, how much? What, over here. Patriarch, is he that head of the natives of Polynesia to walk in a loincloth? Yes, and he wears a beautiful bandage. Prestige and respect for the chapter, that's all.
                  1. Pinkie F.
                    Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 11: 05
                    +3
                    Quote: avva2012
                    Patriarch, is he that head of the natives of Polynesia to walk in a loincloth?

                    but I did not say that he should go in rags, you confuse me with someone) I have all this pomp that accompanies his life, exits, services, etc. generally indifferent, to be honest. He does not participate in social life - the state does not creep into his garden, everything is parallel - everyone is happy. The church in the role of a remoralizer has not yet been very successful.
                  2. potroshenko
                    potroshenko 1 June 2016 12: 37
                    -3
                    Patriarch, is he that head of the natives of Polynesia to walk in a loincloth?

                    Judging by your words, should Christ go to preach in golden brocade?
                    1. avva2012
                      avva2012 1 June 2016 13: 10
                      +3
                      Quote: potroshenko Judging by your words, should Christ go to preach in golden brocade?

                      As far as I understand, the Savior spoke about the spiritual.
                      And not for me, and not for you, to comment on the words of Christ. Heresy, she is such a thing. Today, an opinion has appeared, and tomorrow there is confidence in the exclusivity of their opinion. Well, if a competent psychiatrist meets on the way. And if not? recourse
                      Therefore, for the sake of our own health, let's not discuss on who and in what brocade went to preach. At least, such an assumption, this is already almost sacrilege.
                      1. potroshenko
                        potroshenko 1 June 2016 16: 59
                        -1
                        As far as I understand, the Savior spoke about the spiritual.
                        And not for me, and not for you, to comment on the words of Christ. Heresy, she is such a thing. Today, an opinion has appeared, and tomorrow there is confidence in the exclusivity of their opinion. Well, if a competent psychiatrist meets on the way. And if not? recourse
                        Therefore, for the sake of our own health, let's not discuss on who and in what brocade went to preach. At a minimum, such an assumption is almost sacrilege.

                        Dear, you do not evade an answer with some threats to your health and "sacrilege".
                        1. I did not comment on the words of Christ.
                        2. The Savior spoke about the spiritual - yes, but on the contrary it proves my statement, with what thoughts did you type your typing?
                        3.Heresy speak? Heresy is exactly what is not in the biblical covenants. Where is it written that the first preacher must drive Mercedes and walk in gold? As you said, "prestige and respect" through ostentatious luxury is heresy and betrayal of the covenants of Christ. How many beggars could be fed and helped orphans for church bins and pretentious residences and Mercedes?
                      2. avva2012
                        avva2012 2 June 2016 04: 03
                        +2
                        This is how many beggars could be fed and help orphans for church bins and pathos residences and Mercedes?

                        This is exactly what Protestants and Sin-Catholics say.
                        Maybe one of their main walks in rags?
                        Do not press on emotions, promote a "healthy lifestyle" and separate meals. Leave, "ostentatious luxury is heresy and betrayal of the covenants of Christ," Calvin and Luther. Their descendants built the USA. Oh, how they help the poor and orphans (if, where they are not, then they appear). Your education is not theological, so there is no need to speculate about the precepts of the Savior.
                        Orthodox, referring to the Russian Orthodox Church, millions. And, not you, them, heresy from the manuals of the century before last to propagate.
                      3. potroshenko
                        potroshenko 2 June 2016 10: 51
                        -1
                        This is exactly what Protestants and Sin-Catholics say.
                        Maybe one of their main walks in rags?

                        Your mind is not enough to give an answer, so you decided to smoke on others? I don't care what Protestants and Catholics have there. Orthodoxy is only the same equal direction of Christianity.
                        Your education is not theological, therefore, do not talk about the Savior's covenants.

                        For me, a higher education and reading biblical covenants is enough to dunk you into your own contradictions.
                        Orthodox, referring to the Russian Orthodox Church, millions. And, not you, them, heresy from the manuals of the century before last to propagate.

                        Again, there is nothing to answer and your argument - there are millions of us. Somehow weakly. There is a zombie effect, not a constructive approach. And you carry heresy, refuting your own sacred texts.
                      4. avva2012
                        avva2012 2 June 2016 12: 54
                        +1
                        And you carry heresy, refuting your own sacred texts.

                        Brr, I didn't understand anything. What are the "sacred texts"? If you're talking about the Bible, then it turns out it's not yours? Well, then there’s nothing to talk about, much less “to argue”.
                        "There are millions of us," in the sense of society. A person, a social being, whether you like it or not. It is necessary to take into account. We are.
                        Boasts of a higher education, forgive the bad manners.
                        Well, if you have it, then using such words as "dunk" with a certain negative meaning is generally indecent.
                        I would also like to remind you that people have been engaged in "reading biblical covenants", as you put it, for more than one year. In addition, they read the interpretation of the Bible, and also, for example, such people as Gregory the Theologian, and other fathers who devoted their entire lives to the study of this subject.
                        I do not care, sorry, not worth it, the monitor will be dirty.
                        As a child, there was such a saying: If you spit on the team, then it will rub off, but if the team spits on you ... "
                        All the best.
        3. Megavolt
          Megavolt 1 June 2016 11: 30
          -3
          Accordingly, nothing belongs to him personally, including as a monk.

          Yeah, really ... laughing
          1. Al1977
            Al1977 2 June 2016 13: 01
            0
            Quote: Megavolt
            Accordingly, nothing belongs to him personally, including as a monk.

            Yeah, really ... laughing

            Yes, this is a straight meme)) You can make such posters, together with the Medvedevskys "No money, all the best)))
            As Peleven wrote, "A solid Lord for respectable gentlemen)))))
          2. Al1977
            Al1977 2 June 2016 13: 08
            -1
            Quote: Megavolt
            Accordingly, nothing belongs to him personally, including as a monk.

            Yeah, really ... laughing

            Yes, this is a straight meme)) You can make such posters, together with the Medvedevskys "No money, all the best)))
            As Peleven wrote, "A solid Lord for respectable gentlemen)))))
      3. a housewife
        a housewife 1 June 2016 18: 22
        +1
        But Putin generally lives in the wards! Become a President or Patriarch and live there! By the way, about Christ. Who said where that Christ was a beggar and walked in rags? The son of a carpenter, up to 30 years old, he worked, but not beggared. He had a house, a workshop, probably, there was a cash reserve. When I went with students, they had a treasury. (By the way, Judas was the treasurer, while stealing.) He paid taxes. And when they brought to the execution, they cast lots about his clothes. Because tunics sewn from rectangular pieces of fabric usually wore, it was easy to tear them apart to divide. And His tunic was all woven. It was an expensive thing, made in a special way. I think Mom dressed up.
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 2 June 2016 14: 49
          0
          Quote: housewife
          Become a President or Patriarch and live there!

          Can’t you live like that by a doctor or professor? And why can the Patriarch, but not the teacher? Teacher makes less contribution to the development of my beloved Motherland than Gundyaev?
          Gundyaev may be trying to pave the way for the bureaucrat who has clung to our long-suffering country and all the juices from it?
        2. Al1977
          Al1977 2 June 2016 14: 50
          -1
          Quote: housewife
          Become a President or Patriarch and live there!

          Can’t you live like that by a doctor or professor? And why can the Patriarch, but not the teacher? Teacher makes less contribution to the development of my beloved Motherland than Gundyaev?
          Gundyaev may be trying to pave the way for the bureaucrat who has clung to our long-suffering country and all the juices from it?
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 1 June 2016 10: 38
      -7
      The monk climbs with statements because he is confident in impunity, Gundyaevskaya irresponsibility is well protected by the authorities.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 1 June 2016 10: 45
        +7
        Nobody knows, today is Walpurgis Night's Eve? Where did you get so much from?
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 10: 48
          +1
          Quote: avva2012
          Nobody knows, today is Walpurgis Night's Eve?

          have you been mistaken for a month?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 1 June 2016 11: 08
            +3
            Not in the know, I'm not interested in Satanism.
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 11: 19
              -1
              Quote: avva2012
              Not in the know, I'm not interested in Satanism.

              well, to the satanism of V.N. has nothing to do)
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 1 June 2016 12: 02
                0
                Quote: Pinky F. well, to the satanism of V.N. has nothing to do)
                And why? V.N., coincides with the date of the traditional pagan holiday of spring, which in medieval folklore turned into a mythical spring Sabbath of witches and sorcerers. Therefore, Walpurgis Night was considered a time of rampant evil spirits.
        2. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 1 June 2016 11: 09
          +6
          Quote: avva2012
          Where did you get so much from?

          Pannochka died. laughing
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 11: 36
            +4
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            Pannochka died.
          2. a housewife
            a housewife 1 June 2016 18: 35
            +3
            The little girl died.
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  • Dizzi-kgd
    Dizzi-kgd 1 June 2016 12: 38
    +4
    Well, firstly, the Russian Orthodox Church cut and burned at the stake the pagans and Old Believers of Russi.
    Secondly, she still pursues them.
    And thirdly, religion is not about any morality or spirituality, especially the church (Orthodox, Catholic, Muslim) has never been and never is, it’s just a way to influence the masses while gaining power and money.
    And the girl is just smart, the composition is magnificent.
    And it’s not about religion, it’s about people, about their attitude to the world and others.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 1 June 2016 18: 39
      +2
      If the Church cut and burned all the Gentiles, then whom is it still persecuting? The question is, what generation are you a pagan in, and who exactly were your ancestors at the time when the Orthodox slaughtered the pagans?
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  • Hell's Angel
    Hell's Angel 1 June 2016 10: 41
    0
    The wife insisted on the christening of the youngest ... Says two idiots "infidels" are growing up. Showed her THIS. Now he doesn't even stutter. "How grandma whispered!"
    1. DMM2006
      DMM2006 1 June 2016 11: 32
      +2
      Sorry minusanul without thinking. After listening to the interview in full, I honestly sat like a stick bruised. It’s in vain he’s wrong, so it’s impossible with the Russians. You see, the people are vindictive on such things.

      PS: and returning to the topic of discussion: The girl is still a great fellow. And it doesn’t matter that her thoughts sound slightly naive. The main thing is that these are her thoughts embedded in her head by correct and intelligent teachers.
    2. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 13: 23
      -3
      Quote: Hell Angel
      The wife insisted on the christening of the youngest ... Says two idiots "infidels" are growing up. Showed her THIS.
  • okunevich_rv
    okunevich_rv 1 June 2016 09: 58
    +8
    I join the girl well done sets out the right thoughts.
    A bit off topic but still: In the 18th century, a person who accepted Orthodoxy was considered Russian, at 20 the one who wrote in his passport that he was Russian, and now this is probably a state of mind.
    Do not consider it a provocation, but what do you think it means to be Russian.
  • ARES623
    ARES623 1 June 2016 10: 00
    +3
    Well done girl, it's nice to read such compositions. Only here I do not quite agree with the opinion of Ivan Ilyin. More precisely, in contrast to Ilyin, Danilevsky wrote in his book "Russia and Europe": ".... It is still in fashion for us to attribute everything to the ignorance of Europe, to its ignorance of Russia. Our press is silent, or at least until recently time was silent, and the enemies slander us. Where can poor Europe find out the truth? She is bewildered, bewildered. Risum teneatis, amici [viii], or, in Russian, laughing chickens, my friends .... Europe is not knows, because he does not want to know, or, better to say, he knows how he wants to know, that is, how it corresponds to her preconceived opinions, passions, pride, hatred and contempt. through their means to enlighten and make clear the erring and blinded public opinion of Europe ... There is no need to take off a thorn to someone who has eyes and cannot see; there is nothing to cure for deafness from someone who has ears and does not hear ... and she herself, without our help, will find out what she wants, and if she wants to know ... The point is that Europe does not recognize us as its own. She sees in Russia and in the Slavs in general something alien to her, and at the same time something that cannot serve for her as a simple material from which she could derive her benefits, as she derives from China, India, Africa, most of America, etc. . d. "This is, so to speak, a summary of the topic. The book is very interesting. The author is very authoritative. I recommend it.
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 1 June 2016 10: 01
    +2
    For example, in the Russian pagan pantheon there was never a god of war, while among European nations the concept of a warlike deity dominated, the whole epic was built around wars and conquests.
    But what about Perun the Thunderer? And this is not a borrowed, but a primordially Slavic god. From the sources it is quite possible to understand who He is and what He is. In the first sentence there is such a gross factual error!
    the whole epic is built around wars and conquestsBut our princes did not fight and did not conquer, it turns out ...?
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 10: 08
      -2
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      But what about Perun the Thunderer?

      head of the pantheon? Well, he is kind and not belligerent, apparently. Dushka. Although the patron of the prince's squad.
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      But our princes did not fight and did not conquer, it turns out ...?

      Of course not. "Caress, caress ... The only way that is possible in dealing with a living creature ..." (c)
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 1 June 2016 10: 17
        +2
        Of course not. "Caress, caress ... The only way that is possible in dealing with a living creature ..." (c)

        Can you remember this with us?
        1. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 1 June 2016 11: 11
          +9
          Quote: avva2012
          Can you remember this with us?

          Better not offer, otherwise I can pile so many such examples ... East Slavs, as it were, are not peaceful people.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 1 June 2016 12: 10
            +1
            Quote: Mikhail Matyugin Better not offer, otherwise I can pile so many such examples ... East Slavs, as it were, are not peaceful people.

            Yes, I'm not talking about that. Savagery and bestiality, always enough and everywhere. And, like that, but in stone, this was because society considered similar things to be the norm. We were proud of it.
            1. Mikhail Matyugin
              Mikhail Matyugin 1 June 2016 12: 38
              +3
              "The Russian people without Orthodoxy turns into a uniform beast." I didn't say it, Dostoevsky. Well, you probably know this.


              And Trayan’s column is like a newsreel in stone, everything is just very authentic depicted. But such the ancient Romans were not proud.
        2. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 11: 23
          +1
          Quote: avva2012
          Can you remember this with us?

          No, I can’t remember the bas-reliefs of the times of Olga. laughing
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 1 June 2016 10: 37
      +3
      But what about Perun the Thunderbolt? And this is not a borrowed, but a primordially Slavic god.
      .....
      the whole epic is built around wars and conquestsAnd our princes did not fight and did not conquer, it turns out ...?


      The traits of Perun were transferred to Ilya the Prophet and St. George the Victorious. Perun corresponds to Zeus in Greek mythology and to Jupiter in Roman mythology.
      THIS IS NOT A GOD OF WAR! patron of warriors - Yes! But not God provoking war. And the Russian princes basically fought among themselves, and for their lands, but did not rush to conquer ALIENS!
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 10: 42
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        And the Russian princes basically fought among themselves, and for their lands, but did not rush to conquer ALIENS!

        Yes?
        Tale of Bygone Years:
        The squad told Igor: “The Sveneld youths were dressed in weapons and clothes, and we are naked. “Come, prince, with us for a tribute, and you will get yourself, and us.” And Igor listened to them - went to the Drevlyans for a tribute and added a new tribute to the old one, and his men committed violence against them. Taking a tribute, he went to his city. When he went back, after reflection, he said to his retinue: “Go home with a tribute, and I will come back and look again.” And he let his squad go home, and he returned with a small part of the squad, desiring more wealth.
        How it ended is known.
        It would be interesting to establish Russian statehood without expansion.
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 1 June 2016 11: 32
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Perun corresponds to Zeus in Greek mythology and to Jupiter in Roman mythology.
        What kind of Jupiter would like to ask. The point is that Perun, as the supreme deity, embodied several hypostases at once. In essence, this is a god who embodied all essences. Just as Jupiter was, for example, Feretrius, the god of war and a happy victory, the ceremony of triumphs and uplifting laurel wreaths everything to him --- to Jupiter. Therefore, to simplify and say that, they say, Western Europeans had gods of war and conquest, and peaceful plowmen did not have Slavs --- I believe that this is not pure truth. not everything was so simple with these gods!
        Quote: Egoza
        Russian princes basically fought among themselves, and for their lands, but did not eager to conquer ALIENS!
        If you are talking about the western border of other Russian principalities, then where to conquer: neighbors were no less belligerent states --- here you would have to defend yours and not lose!
        However, we could develop to the east and develop the north. Here, Mr. Veliky Novgorod extended his influence. And he disputed the right to own these lands with German, Swedish, Danish detachments. And the aborigine in general is violet who will impose a fur and reserve tax on him. I want to emphasize that wherever it was possible to take it, it was taken like that. Wherever it was, they waged wars. This is quite natural for all continents and civilizations. YES! We had to repel the cruel and destructive onslaught many times and the enemy lost more than we tried to find with us. But the general laws are the same for everyone. And to look for some special sacredness or genetic peculiarity --- this will not lead to anything good.
  • 96423lom
    96423lom 1 June 2016 10: 06
    +8
    But the Americans did not succeed in corrupting our youth. And such works are written and in the army there wasn’t enough space for everyone.
    1. Finches
      Finches 1 June 2016 10: 19
      +2
      Well, for the army, I can say that in St. Petersburg and Moscow it is far from as rosy as in the country, but when compared with a decade ago, things are better!
  • Kibl
    Kibl 1 June 2016 10: 18
    +7
    Anya is great! But I very much doubt that all of today's youth think so. And this situation is everywhere and everywhere! What is in Russia, what we have in Latvia. It's a pity and alarming! But Anya is done !!!!
    1. 97110
      97110 1 June 2016 10: 43
      -1
      Quote: KIBL
      But I very much doubt that all current youth think so.

      You, in Latvia, it is strange not to doubt. In shaise up to his ears, and in the same place, "doubt". Thinking about the fact that we were an advanced republic, the face of the great Soviet Union, but became a training ground and brothel for European scum - is it impossible? Just doubt about Russia? Do not hesitate, among our young people there are much less adored LGBT people and other "free" from human norms of behavior than you think from your swamp. And if you figure it out, currying favor with the United States, you will be very surprised how many you got by begging for enlightenment in your brains.
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 2 June 2016 21: 37
        -1
        than it seems to you from your swamp. And if you guess
        Are you in the kitchen giving cockroaches with your slipper, and they are your intellect?
  • newterra
    newterra 1 June 2016 10: 23
    +2
    Super! Well done!
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 1 June 2016 10: 26
    -3
    "For example, in the Russian pagan pantheon there has never been a god of war" ////

    It just wasn't there ... And who was Perun? - The most important god of the Slavic pantheon.

    "God of war, god of thunder and lightning. In the last centuries of paganism in Russia -
    also a god personifying princely power, and therefore one of the most important gods.
    In ancient times, Perun was portrayed as a fierce wild bull - tour.
    It is not by chance that the author of The Lay of Igor's Regiment calls a tour of princes who were particularly brave in battle
    - these he compares them to the god of war himself. "
    1. Finches
      Finches 1 June 2016 10: 35
      +5
      Oh! God's chosen people pulled themselves up hi Now they, to us, Sivoryly, will explain about the path from the Varangians to the Greeks ... laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 June 2016 10: 58
        -4
        I don’t remember the other gods, but it’s a shame not to know about Perun ...

        And the girl is an ordinary village nationalist, and we have enough such nationalists "with one gyrus" in Israel who will excitedly explain 100 reasons why "Jews are the kindest-smartest-cool-super-duper
        and bring light to the whole world. "
        hi
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 1 June 2016 11: 11
          +6
          A nationalist is one who hates other nations.
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 11: 26
            +2
            Quote: avva2012
            A nationalist is one who hates other nations.

            it's a racist soon. The nationalist defends the exclusivity of his people and combs the history on his part.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 1 June 2016 14: 37
              +3
              Quote: Pinky F. it's a racist soon. The nationalist defends the exclusivity of his people and combs the history on his part.

              IMHO, but this is Nazism.
              A man who believes that his people are the best, but at the same time does not feel hatred for other nations, albeit naive, but a patriot. For a girl of 16 years old, this is an acceptable position.
              Racist, from the word race. As we remember, there are three of them. There is a broader understanding of "their race", but I personally do not think that Hitler is the character to look up to.
              1. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 15: 04
                0
                Quote: Pinky F.
                Nationalist

                Quote: avva2012
                IMHO, but this is Nazism.

                national-socialism.
                Quote: avva2012
                A man who believes that his people are the best, but at the same time does not feel hatred for other nations, albeit naive, but patriotic.

                internationalist)
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 1 June 2016 15: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Pinky F. internationalist)

                  Feel free to tell the truth, communist! laughing
              2. a housewife
                a housewife 1 June 2016 18: 50
                +1
                Indeed, it would be abnormal if people of any nationality would consider not their own, but some other nationality as the best nationality. The main thing is how they relate to others - with hatred, contempt, or also worthy.
                1. Pinkie F.
                  Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 21: 14
                  -2
                  Quote: housewife
                  The main thing is how they relate to others - with hatred, contempt, or also worthy.

                  right, right. Do you know what is especially cute on VO? These are the comments "Americans are years! Europe is degenerates! Jews are ....." with the indispensable remark "well, this does not apply to ordinary people ... We love them ...". Although in relation to the latter, more often without a remark. In other words:
        2. Finches
          Finches 1 June 2016 11: 22
          +3
          Alexey!

          You substitute concepts, trying to equate the spiritual and moral sense of love for the Motherland, which, albeit a bit naive and somewhere with youthful maximalism, the girl tried to express with political ideology! Although, I think, you know perfectly well the difference between patriotism and nationalism, but consciously level this difference!
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 1 June 2016 14: 22
            -7
            "I think you know perfectly well the difference between patriotism and nationalism" ///

            If a girl wrote, for example:
            "I love my Motherland, the Russian army, our president,
            my land, my city ... "This is patriotism. And I welcome it.

            But she produced a detailed historical and political
            comparative analysis of the Russian people
            with other peoples with an unambiguous conclusion: "the Russian people are the best"
            And this is not patriotism, but a completely different word.

            To make it clearer.
            I can say: "We, the Jews, gave the ordinary Palestinian fellahs electricity, sewerage, the world's best medicine and agriculture, and they should be grateful to us for that, and we bring light and joy to other peoples."
            What will the Palestinian answer ?: "Yes, you perish together with your technologies, bloody
            occupiers, we want to live like our ancestors lived ... etc "
            Is the example clear?
            1. Finches
              Finches 1 June 2016 15: 13
              +5
              The example is not correct! Do not distort, Alexey, it was on the basis of historical facts that she concluded for herself that the Russian people are like that, but she read carefully, hasn’t written anywhere that the German people, the English people are second-rate! Nationalism precisely emphasizes the second-rate character of another nation, and patriotism emphasizes the peculiarity of its nation! Each nationality has its own characteristics - in her essay, the girl emphasized the characteristics of the Russian people, which she is proud of!

              Is the example clear?
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 1 June 2016 10: 54
      +3
      Quote: voyaka uh "The God of war, the god of thunder and lightning. In the last centuries of paganism in Russia, he is also a god who personifies princely power, and therefore one of the most important gods. In ancient times, Perun was depicted as a fierce wild bull - a tour.

      I write without mockery. Can you tell me some serious scientific works on pre-Christian Russian mythology? Where, you take such information about the ancient Russian pantheon, from "The Word about the Regiment .."? Where is the archaeological data about the reliable legends of our (from Kievan Rus at least) ancestors? And, it turns out. that everyone seems to know about Perun, Svarog, Dazhdbog. You start to figure it out, and you get a cocktail of different deities of the entire South-Eastern Slavs.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 June 2016 11: 09
        -2
        My quote is from http://dokumentika.org/en/religiya
        I do not think that these serious historians wrote, but about Perun
        and before knew: the main god - thunder, lightning, war.
        I have no pranks: ancient Kievan-Vladimir Russia was
        a fully developed state with architecture, writing,
        closely integrated with Greek Byzantium. Russia was not inferior to anything
        in 10-13 centuries Western Europe. The invasion of the Tatar-Mongols crushed Russia.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 1 June 2016 12: 25
          +5
          Quote: voyaka uh I have no jokes: the ancient Kievan-Vladimir Russia was a fully developed state with architecture, writing,
          closely integrated with Greek Byzantium. Russia was not inferior to anything
          in 10-13 centuries Western Europe.

          10-13 century! Christianity adopted in Russia: 988 And what happened before, where are the sources of ancient Slavic polytheism? Objective. request Where the new pagans come from is not at all clear. There are no reliable sources.
      2. Mikhail Matyugin
        Mikhail Matyugin 1 June 2016 11: 13
        +1
        Quote: avva2012
        Where is the archaeological evidence of reliable traditions of our (from Kievan Rus at least) ancestors? Ah, it turns out. that everyone seems to know about Perun, Svarog, Dazhdbog. You begin to understand, and you get a cocktail from different gods of the whole southeast Slavs.

        Read the narratives of Arab early medieval writers. I am sure you will discover a lot of new things.
    3. ksv36
      ksv36 1 June 2016 11: 04
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      "For example, in the Russian pagan pantheon there has never been a god of war" ////

      It just wasn't there ... And who was Perun? - The most important god of the Slavic pantheon.

      "God of war, god of thunder and lightning. In the last centuries of paganism in Russia -
      also a god personifying princely power, and therefore one of the most important gods.
      In ancient times, Perun was portrayed as a fierce wild bull - tour.
      It is not by chance that the author of The Lay of Igor's Regiment calls a tour of princes who were particularly brave in battle
      - these he compares them to the god of war himself. "


      Perun

      Perun is the Slavic god of thunder and military valor, the youngest son of Lada and Svarog, the most legendary of the Svarozhich brothers. Some researchers attribute it to the gods of the second generation (that is, to the gods-sons), others believe that it is more reasonable to put Perun on a par with the gods of the third generation (gods-grandchildren). Nevertheless, the god Perun, regardless of belonging to a particular level of the Slavic pantheon Yasuney, is the most famous character in the mythology of our distant ancestors.

      Speaking about the role that this god played in the life of the ancient Slavs, first of all, it is worth mentioning that it was Perun who was the patron saint of the prince and princely squad. As a thunder god, Perun acted as an allegory of the indestructible power of Light, which invariably prevailed over the numerous, but spiritually weak forces of Darkness.

      Learn the mate part before writing.
      Taken from here: _http: //radogost.ru/perun.html
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 1 June 2016 12: 32
        +3
        Quote: ksv36 Learn the mate part before writing.
        Taken from here: _http: //radogost.ru/perun.html

        Yeah, Israeli, do you need it?
        From Wiki:
        Slavic mythology has become the subject of scientific research. from the second half of the XNUMXth century, with the advent of the works of M. I. Popov “Description of the ancient Slavic pagan fabulous” (1768) and M. D. Chulkov “Abegega of Russian superstitions ...” (1786). At the beginning of the 1804th century, the studies of G. A. Glinka “The Ancient Religion of the Slavs” (1810) and A. S. Kaysarov “Slavic and Russian Mythology” (XNUMX) appeared.
        Scientists restore Slavic mythology from various sources.
        Firstly, these are written sources. Texts of Byzantine authors of the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries: Procopius of Caesarea, Theophylact of Simocatta, Konstantin Bagryanorodny, Leo Deacon and others. West European authors of the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries: Bavarian Geographer, Titmar of Merseburg, Helmold, Saxon Grammatik and others. Arab authors of the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries -Massudi, Ibn Fadlan, Ibn Ruste and others. In the Scandinavian sagas of the XIII century, in the Elder and Younger Edds there is information that can be used to reconstruct Slavic paganism. Old Russian West Slavic (Kozma Prague with its "Czech Chronicle") and South Slavic sources XI — XV centuries: annals, teachings and instructions against the Gentiles (Cyril Turovsky, Kirik Novgorodets and others) and insertion into translated literature, including apocrypha. A special place is occupied by the "Word of Igor's Regiment", which reflected a significant layer of pagan myths mentioned by the heir and bearer of pagan culture - an unknown songwriter. All these texts do not contain any holistic expositions of mythology or individual myths. In any case, it should be remembered that this is not an exposition of the myths themselves, but a retelling of their understanding by contemporaries of other religions.
        Secondly, written sources of the XV — XVII centuries and folklore sources XVIII — XX centuries. !!!
        In addition to Byzantine sources (I didn’t read, I repent), all the rest appeared after the baptism of Russia. All foreigners. It turns out that all we know about Perun and others is research in the second half of the 18th century. In a thousand years. And, if about Varangians, at least some cross-references, at least something is preserved in the form of finds, then recreate in full, like the beliefs of the ancient Greeks, for example. we paganism is not able. Who are the new-minded then? belay
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 1 June 2016 13: 09
          -2
          "Aha, an Israelite, does it need it?" ////

          You, I see, are arguing with me, but I am not with you. I AM
          I agree with what you wrote. Reestablish
          pagan polytheism is difficult. But some structure, of course, was.
          People prayed, set idols. The material was wood, not stone,
          therefore there are almost no artifacts.
          Like the Jews: before Yahweh (and a long period in parallel with it)
          prayed to all the gods / goddesses of fertility taken from the Assyrians
          and other peoples older than Jews.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 1 June 2016 13: 21
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh You, I see, are arguing with me, but I am not with you.

            No, I do not argue, I am with you. You, Perun mentioned, here I am attached.
            Suddenly what information.
            People prayed, set idols. The material was wood, not stone,
            therefore there are almost no artifacts.
            Yes, and there was no paper, and papyrus was expensive, so that the ancient ancestors could write something (and whether they could).
            I hope your pagans did not appear?
      2. Dizzi-kgd
        Dizzi-kgd 1 June 2016 13: 01
        -1
        Well, at least you read what you wrote yourself, PERUN God THUNDER and military valor, ADVANCE and not WAR. There is a huge logical pit, the abyss can be said between the GOD OF WAR and the GOD of GOODITY and the fact that it is MILITARY a second time he is the god of GOOD (Ability to resist fear; a synonym for courage, courage, courage). Teach the mat part of the SALAGA ;-))
      3. a housewife
        a housewife 1 June 2016 18: 55
        +1
        That is, according to the Orthodox - "Michael the Archangel". The creator of everything is Svarog.
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    4. mart-kot
      mart-kot 1 June 2016 12: 31
      0
      So the main god of the Slavs is Rod, and Perun is his son
    5. RusDV
      RusDV 3 June 2016 09: 29
      0
      Perun (dr.Rus. Perun, Ukrainian. Perun, Belorussian. Pyarun, Polish. Piorun, Perun [4] [5]) - the god of thunder in Slavic mythology, the patron of the prince and the squad in the old Russian pagan pantheon. The name of Perun leads the list of gods of the pantheon of Prince Vladimir in The Tale of Bygone Years.


      So on Wikipedia. Check it out. It is similar in Slavic mythology. "God of War" was not born there. Why invent? It seems like they faked on purpose ...
    6. Anton Valerevich
      Anton Valerevich 3 June 2016 16: 56
      0
      Yeah, I’m ashamed not to know that Perun was an exact analogue of the Greek god Zeus, and was not a god of war as such. But there are no analogues of Ares in Russian mythology and never has been!
  • bober1982
    bober1982 1 June 2016 10: 32
    +4
    All my school classmates, at the age of 16, thought and dreamed of something completely different. Eternal girlish dreams - gentlemen, dances, outfits, etc. And as a result - they became all strong, healthy aunts.
    Also proud of their ancestors.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 10: 55
      +3
      Quote: bober1982
      All my schoolmates, at the age of 16, thought and dreamed about something completely different. Eternal girlish dreams - gentlemen, dances, outfits, etc.

      I find this normal at puberty.
      Quote: bober1982
      Also proud of their ancestors.

      the author of the work, I think, also combines. But the children's look is certainly interesting.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 1 June 2016 10: 34
    +5
    It is very pleasant to read such lines from a 16-year-old girl - a young citizen of Russia. It is encouraging that not all young people are affected by the virus of worship in the West. I think a lot depends on the education of the family, school and the street, but genes are also very important.
  • Arct
    Arct 1 June 2016 10: 41
    +3
    With a thunder, I advise you to study mythology and carefully read the text. The Thunder God is by no means the god of war. It is rather a manager with the function of punishment (exaggerated of course). Compare with the main Western mythologies, where there are Ares / Mars and Tyr / Tyr, plus a handful of goddesses and deities with a warlike beginning. In Vedic mythology and Hinduism, the gods and deities of war are not original either, but are borrowed from other (absorbed) pantheons. But the Vedas are not just Westerners. And for guests from the promised land, we advise you to study the issue more deeply in order to understand a simple thing - all the Thunders are gods of war only in a modernized interpretation - there are no such references in old sources ...
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 13: 35
      0
      Keyword:
      Quote: Arkt
      mythology

      We study and create a new one. All is correct.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 1 June 2016 10: 42
    +2
    Well, how to kneel the country in which such wonderful, smart girls live? Sobchaki and Gaidar against the background of such people look even more disgusting.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 17: 06
      0
      Quote: Captive
      Well how to kneel

      not kneel, but tie knee-highs.
  • tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 1 June 2016 11: 02
    +2
    I would also add-In Russia there was never an Inquisition and the church did not occupy a dominant role in government, but was closely associated with society and the state. And yet, when our ancestors, in particular Yermak, came to Siberia, there was nothing besides snow and taiga. And the claim of the West that Siberia should not belong only to Russia, idle talk mu .. ringing.
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 1 June 2016 12: 27
      +4
      In Siberia there was not only snow and taiga. In Siberia and other peoples lived and live.
    2. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 1 June 2016 17: 05
      +2
      Quote: tolyasik0577
      I would also add, In Russia there has never been an Inquisition and the church did not occupy a dominant role in government,

      Well done! And nothing so that Patriarch Nikon almost became the "Pope for Russians"? and there are also a couple of examples of this kind.

      And yes, the Inquisition as a special system was not. But people burned enough. Categories: various heretics, blasphemers and sorcerers. After the split, the Old Believers also.

      Of course, we are far from Catholic and especially Protestant proportions - but in the Moscow kingdom there were also enough burnings.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 1 June 2016 19: 02
        +2
        I barely became, most importantly - did not. Burned - obscurantism is continuous! Type - for Christianity. Of course, did Christ himself call for this? But the schismatics - didn’t they burn themselves?
        1. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 2 June 2016 09: 58
          -1
          Quote: housewife
          Type - for Christianity

          Well, the struggle of ideas - you know, in general, it’s the worst thing ...

          Quote: housewife
          But the schismatics - didn’t they burn themselves?
          In different ways, I don’t know the comparative statistics with an accuracy of a person, but they were sentenced to "burning in a log house" in the Muscovite kingdom enough. Especially for the period of the XVI-XVII centuries. - i.e. at about the same time when religious wars were raging in Europe - and before the spread of the ideas of the Enlightenment in the XNUMXth century, only our scale is smaller than in Europe and the peak of the process went chronologically with a slight delay.
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  • weksha50
    weksha50 1 June 2016 11: 08
    +2
    "I am proud that our ancestors, our heroic ancestors, were so beautiful, persistent, courageous and hardy, and we are their descendants!"...


    Voooot ... As long as there are such children - Russia - to be !!!

    Not everyone has degenerated into a generation of Pepsi and Coke ...

    And the girl, her parents and teachers - honor and respect ...
  • Arkan
    Arkan 1 June 2016 11: 10
    0
    Beautiful, concise composition! Bravo to the author !!!
    1. friend of animals
      friend of animals 1 June 2016 12: 14
      +1
      Yeah, an essay on content like thanks to Stalin for a happy childhood and a blue sky above his head. Try not to put the top five. wink
  • Londa
    Londa 1 June 2016 11: 19
    +1
    Well done Anechka !!! Respect for her and her parents)))
  • Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin 1 June 2016 11: 23
    +1
    Comrades, well, is it really pleasant for you to comment on the delusional composition of a schoolgirl? There errors are hardly EVERY BOTTOM. Intentional or unintentional.

    After the victory over the Gentiles, the Russian man never sought to forcibly convert them to his faith.

    Hmm. The fate of the "black hoods" and the Polovtsians, for example? and Kazan or Astrakhan Tatars? I'm not saying that this was a dominant feature, but it happened.

    The heroes of the "Song of the Nibelungen" obsessed with finding a hidden treasure - the gold of the Rhine.

    The protagonist of the ancient English poem "Beowulf" dies, "saturating the eyes with a game of gems and the glitter of gold ... In exchange for wealth, I laid down life."
    The girl pulled quotes from somewhere, but DID NOT READ either the Nibelungs or Beowulf.

    Therefore, the average European is ashamed of sincerity, conscience and kindness as "stupidity."
    Sorry. Village simpleton. I have never communicated with normal average Europeans.


    The Russian people did not plunder neither Siberia, nor Central Asia, nor the Caucasus, nor the Baltic states. Russia has saved every nation that has entered it. She was their protector, provided them with the right to land, property, faith, customs, culture.
    The Roman aristocrat wrote about the Roman Empire. Yeah, really, really.

    Question - why do we need such sincere, but biased compositions on a military-themed website?
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 11: 49
      -1
      Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
      Question - why do we need such sincere, but biased compositions on a military-themed website?

      so that the tears are let out especially sentimental. It turned out, it seems.
  • pavelty
    pavelty 1 June 2016 11: 49
    +5
    And why should the girl sculpt cons? I look here a lot of very smart and knowledgeable people, they sorted everything out by quotes, sucked every inaccuracy, remember yourself in the 10th grade ...
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 1 June 2016 15: 06
      +2
      Quote: pavlentiy I look here a lot of very smart and knowledgeable people, they sorted everything out by quotes, sucked every inaccuracy, remember yourself in the 10th grade ...

      A child, he is naive and sincere. And, that’s what children are not sculpting, but for people's money.

      From a wonderful movie, such as a remake ...
  • Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev 1 June 2016 11: 55
    -1
    The concept of revenge as such is generally absent in Russian folklore, as if it was not originally included in the “genetic code” of the people, and the Russian soldier has always been a soldier-liberator.
    Not true. Revenge of the invaders, rapists, robbers, tormentors of people. Still here merciless revenge can be attributed to all adversaries, to all parasites of the working masses, revenge and death to all plutocratic kings ...
    The girl is curled. But it’s excusable to her that they poured into her brain at school, she gave out. So he’ll go to work, he will repay it for about 15 years, and then he will read his essay and tear it to hell, 100%.
    Nobody also spoke about the criminal prosecution in the Republic of Ingushetia for changing faith from Orthodoxy to any other girl. About the Pale of Settlement, class laws, for example, about cook children, are also not told at school, it seems. Well, that is, the very values ​​that the philosopher Ilyin defended.
    It turns out cool. We take the false theses of Govorukhin, Starikov, Svanidze and other bastards about Russia, which we have lost. We take the USSR, throw out the "superfluous" from the USSR, transforming the state of workers and peasants into a kind of "empire". Then we spread one on top of the other. Voila. It turns out a typical bourgeois, nationalized failures and privatized successes. The girl has nothing to do with it, she was taught this at school. The work is quite consistent with schizophrenic modernity, when such children's works, where they pull an owl on a globe, cause delight. When such theses are confirmed in practice, it turns out quite sadly. Well, why do you want to hang up a embezzler, or to shoot some kind of Deripaska for leaving people without work by signing them in fact a death warrant? There is no place for revenge in Russian folklore. Pray, fast and listen to radio Radonezh, and read Ilyin, essno.
    1. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 1 June 2016 12: 42
      +2
      Quote: Undermining the Foundations
      Well, what do you want to hang up the embezzler, or to shoot some kind of deripaska because you left people without work by signing them with a death sentence? In Russian folklore there is no place for revenge.

      But really there is no revenge. But there is always a just reward according to merit. Different methods for different merits. To whom the royal daughter, and to whom a boiling cauldron.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 12: 51
        0
        Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
        But really there is no revenge.

        "How the prophetic Oleg is now being assembled
        To take revenge on the unreasonable khozars: "(c)
        laughing
        1. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 1 June 2016 17: 08
          0
          Quote: Pinky F.
          How is prophetic Oleg now gathered
          To take revenge on the unreasonable khozars: "(c)

          This is no longer Russian folklore, it is already the great Pushkin, who, not only from the Ethiopians, also spoke French almost better than Russian.
  • Des10
    Des10 1 June 2016 11: 59
    -4
    Composition according to age and intentions is quite enough for 16 years old, and for HE is small. There are no complaints to the girl, I tried, possibly sincerely because of - lack of information and naivety.
    Follower Zadornova laughing in the best sense.
  • Obolensky
    Obolensky 1 June 2016 12: 11
    +3
    I read it with pleasure. Well done girl. That's right.
  • friend of animals
    friend of animals 1 June 2016 12: 11
    +1
    Vigorous kvass, already hopped. The degree of exaggeration of one's own virtue is over the top.
  • 1536
    1536 1 June 2016 12: 17
    +3
    At the age of 16, people are characterized by maximalism and an idealistic view of life. There is nothing to be done, this is a person’s property from birth until he falls into a hostile environment, or is on the edge of the abyss.
    The fact that the Russian people turned out to be the most divided people in the world is a consequence of their kindness. The fact that the Russian people saved humanity at the cost of their own lives, and then humanity crap and spit in his soul, is a consequence of his natural naivety. Those open spaces on which we live, and the climate in which Europeans cannot live and develop, save us from destruction. From this we draw our strength, as it does not sound paradoxical.
    The fact is that a war has now begun against us. They attacked us and want to destroy us. And remembering the tales about Ilya Muromets, who refused to sit in Constantinople as a prince, is pointless, because you must first get to Constantinople. And once you hit, think hard whether you need to give up and go home, since the great-great-great-grandchildren will have to repeat the path they have traveled again. And this, you see, is meaningless. But it was repeated countless times in Russian history. Today many have realized this, hence the fear that suddenly appeared among the Western "partners" that sooner or later they will have to answer for what they have done in relation to us and not only to us. Fear that next time we will not leave. And for sure: we won't leave!
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 12: 25
      +2
      Quote: 1536
      At the age of 16, people are characterized by maximalism and an idealistic view of life.

      definitely, definitely. True, he did not find any maximalism in the composition.
      Quote: 1536
      And for sure: we won’t leave!

      whence?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 1 June 2016 12: 54
        +3
        Quote: Pinky F.
        whence?

        From the den of a potential adversary. In!
  • Dizzi-kgd
    Dizzi-kgd 1 June 2016 12: 23
    +3
    The girl is just smart.
  • cyber
    cyber 1 June 2016 12: 45
    +3
    Anna is just great! But the problem is that the country will not be ruled by such clever and clever people as Anya, but "golden youth" ... such as, for example, the son of the vice-president of Lukoil ... and the children of other oligarchs, businessmen and others ... alas, natural selection chooses according to other criteria ...
  • Theophanes
    Theophanes 1 June 2016 12: 55
    +4
    Thank you very much, Anechka !!! A low bow to Parents !!! Thanks to the school and teachers.
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 1 June 2016 13: 58
    +2
    I’ll subscribe to every word of this person. even if it was written by an old man at the age of 100 years
  • sailor52
    sailor52 1 June 2016 14: 56
    +2
    Quote: Megavolt

    Quote: Megavolt
    Yes, if not in the know, then the Patriarch is a monk

    Well then, can you recall the size of this monk's Moscow "monastic cell" ..?
    Or the make and model of the vehicle that this "monk" uses on his travels ..? laughing


    Car brand, the one that purchased the FSO. Why in the garage of the FSO are not Lada-Grants, and Mercedes - is not a question for the Patriarch.
    In addition, the life and work of the Patriarch is fully written into the federal law of 27.05.1996 No. 57-FZ by the will of the President, and all "wanderings" are fully regulated by the instructions and regulations of this organization.
  • Nirvanko
    Nirvanko 1 June 2016 15: 41
    +2
    Quote: 96423lom
    But the Americans did not succeed in corrupting our youth. And such works are written and in the army there wasn’t enough space for everyone.


    Did they do this? After the fall of the Iron Curtain, everyone rushed to watch Western films and TV shows that show the same western man in the street. Hollywood does not make films intended only for Russia in order to corrupt.

    And unfortunately, often on the shelves you can see the figures of all sorts of SpiderMan-s, and not Russian heroes.
  • Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 1 June 2016 16: 06
    +1
    Quote: Blondy
    Am I supposed to lisp, or write to the ceiling from children's installations on the topic we are good and they are not very good.

    No, why, you can head with a run up against the wall, well, as an option, so as not to lisp fool
  • Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. 1 June 2016 16: 12
    0
    Quote: Nirvanko
    And unfortunately, often on the shelves you can see the figures of all sorts of SpiderMan-s, and not Russian heroes.

    this is a conspiracy !!!
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 1 June 2016 16: 21
    +2
    We are different and our faith is different - Orthodox Christians and Catholics. Therefore, we have nothing in common and do not understand each other.
  • Seryj2
    Seryj2 1 June 2016 17: 01
    +2
    Well done girl!
  • morprepud
    morprepud 1 June 2016 17: 35
    +2
    As a teacher, I want to note her gratitude to parents!
    And ask them to send their pupil to the pedagogical University!
    And we, the inhabitants of Russia, can only rejoice for our uniki! good
    What about faith
    tolmachiev51 (1)
    I can add that there is a big difference between Orthodox and Catholics in an Appeal to God: We are on our knees or standing (!), and the Catholics in the chair .......
  • Galleon
    Galleon 1 June 2016 17: 37
    +3
    Here are these seven negative reviews about the composition ... I would like to bring them out in front of the whole "class", and let them explain why they have a negative attitude towards this composition.