Turkish armored car in flight (video)

Turkish Kurds have posted a video with the explosion on the land mine of the Kipri ​​type MRAP armored vehicles of the government security forces.

The video was filmed on May 18 in the southeast of Hakkari province (Turkey).

The Kipri ​​wheel armored vehicle (4х4) is produced in Turkey by BMC Otomotiv ve Savunma Sanayi. This is one of the versions of the car Navigator, developed by a small Israeli company Hatehof (now - Carmor). All rights to it were bought by the Turkish manufacturer.

A total of 2010 th to 2015 g was produced and delivered to the power structures of 620 machines. The Turkish military are actively using them in a special operation against local Kurds.

Comments

[avvg]

Erdogan with the Kurds will definitely play out.

[Sharapov]

The Kurds marked the place for laying a land mine with a column ...
And the roadside was torn up to the asphalt.

[Alexey-74]

yeah .... noticed

[Trotil42]

Mentally it turned out ...

[RULEVOY]

BEAUTIFULLY REMOVED FROM SEVERAL VIEWS

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

I hope so. no one was hurt.

[renics]

Yes, like in Hollywood, in which the car explodes like a nuclear weapon.

[Gradus HuK]

Ugh-ff! Ash pil go get it))

[CORNET]

Quote: avvg

Erdogan with the Kurds will definitely play out.

I understand the Kurds ... The Ottomans only need this if they do not want to agree on a good one!

[Now we are free]

The most interesting thing is that in such MRAP type armored vehicles the maximum emphasis is placed on the ANTI-MINING defense (to the detriment of other characteristics of the armored car) as seen from the video, the mine protection did not help. In general, as one wise proverb says -For any ... there is a bolt.

[domokl]

Quote: Now we are free

like MRAP type armored vehicles, the maximum emphasis is placed precisely on the ANTI-MINI protection

The fact is that in reality the armored capsule remains intact. Even with such a powerful land mine. Another thing is that pressure and "flight" will make stuffing of the crew ...

[lelikas]

Quote: domokl

The fact is that in reality the armored capsule remains intact. Even with such a powerful land mine. Another thing is that pressure and "flight" will make stuffing of the crew.

And if, they were not fastened sitting inside .....

[Orionvit]

What is the difference, fastened or not. If he had thrown back the meter by two then okay, and then he would have thrown about ten meters. With such overloads, no one will survive.

[mikhail065]

Those who are not fastened in minced meat and those who are fastened will sit almost as if alive.)))

[code54]

Have you seen in Turkey fastened? or generally with rights? ;))))

[papik09]

Quote: lelikas

And if, they were not fastened sitting inside .....

And in this case, the INTERNAL PAINT of the armored capsule will be made ...

[alpamys]

Quote: domokl

The fact is that in reality the armored capsule remains intact. Even with such a powerful land mine. Another thing is that pressure and "flight" will make stuffing of the crew ...

seen in the video how drove into minced meat turned

[73bor]

But judging by the frames, only the hood flew to the ground!

[Skifotavr]

Quote: domokl

The fact is that in reality the armored capsule remains intact. Even with such a powerful land mine. Another thing is that pressure and "flight" will make stuffing of the crew ...

Make a full-screen video in maximum quality and you will see that nothing whole has landed on the ground. Only torn pieces of metal.

[GSH-18]

Quote: domokl

The fact is that in reality the armored capsule remains intact.

The armored capsule? Are you talking about her scattered scum? There was nothing left after the explosion. Demolitioners laid a competent charge. Apparently the armored personnel carriers were waiting. Well, the armored car was simply swept away. About the crew and not worth talking about.

[Maksus]

Given the ratio of the size of the armored car and the size of the cloud, it’s not like an armored car, the tank would have thrown it. Here the helicopter would capsize)))

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Maksus

Given the ratio of the size of the armored car and the size of the cloud, it’s not like an armored car, the tank would have thrown it. Here the helicopter would capsize)))

On YouTube, there used to be many videos where 60 ton American abrams soared into the sky on a generous Afghan and Iraqi mine blast

[michell]

Quote: Now we are free

as you can see from the video, mine protection did not help. In general, as one wise proverb says, -Anyone ... there is a bolt of its own.

Another wise proverb says: "There is no reception against scrap" ...

[Conductor]

It is striking that the survivors remained:

after the blast, 5 out of 13 servicemen were killed, 8 received various wounds and injuries, including 4 soldiers - heavy.

given that the explosives were clearly larger than 8 kg (according to STANAG 4569 Level 3)

[cap]

Quote: CORNET

Quote: avvg

Erdogan with the Kurds will definitely play out.

I understand the Kurds ... The Ottomans only need this if they do not want to agree on a good one!

In war, as in war. What to negotiate when the Kurds are not considered people. Almost the genocide of an entire nation.

[Lelek]

Quote: cap

.What to negotiate when the Kurds are not considered for people.

Kurds (Turkish, Iranian, Syrian, Iraqi) are guerrilla warriors who have been fighting the Ottomans for centuries. The bad thing is that they do not have a common platform, each diaspora fights for ownership only on its territory, and the broom, as you know, is easier to break down on a separate twig. Well, yes, giving advice is the second easiest job after writing in the bath.

[Neftci]

Kurds are the floor of the Turkish parliament, even the president was a Kurdish time, do not judge everyone by their arshin. And so the Turks, Russians, Anglo-Saxons are all imperial peoples for them political interests are more important than human lives.

[NordUral]

The Russian empire is a special form of empires - the metropolis shoves all resources into "colonies".

[Pereira]

Russian Empire - Empire 2 type.
The rest of the 1 type.

[Trotil42]

It’s just that the rest will be smarter .. and in general Russian imperialism is the same mystery as Russian fools and roads ..

[venik]

Quote: Trotil42

It’s just that the rest will be smarter .. and in general Russian imperialism is the same mystery as Russian fools and roads ..

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Another big mystery - European democracies !!!

[kvapu1976]

Yes, no riddles, democracies - piderasts. The whole riddle for geyropa.

[Alex20042004]

Maybe you already clean up the CensorNet, will it be more comfortable for you there? Nehren here to do all sorts of nerds.

[code54]

So nefig to climb with us with their riddles, laws !!! We will deal with our fools and roads! Do not go into something that you do not understand!

[Prisoner]

No riddles. It’s just that you’re not smart enough to understand ordinary things. And who ?

[AllXVahhaB]

And what is the mind? Where is the British Empire, in which the sun did not set? Where is the Spanish Empire that owned most of the world? Where is the French Empire crushing the whole of Europe? Where is the Austro-Hungarian Empire mistress of the Slavs and the Balkans? Where is the Ottoman Empire the mistress of the Middle East and North Africa? Where are all these wiseacres ???
And Russia - here it is: in the same Urals, in the same Siberia and the Far East! And this hour we turn and the rest lost. And we will return !!!
Russia lost the Cold War and survived, Britain won the Second World War and lost everything except its island! So who is smarter ???
Historically, only two Empires are unsinkable: the Russian and Chinese, which, passing through defeats, crises and cataclysms, always revive, the others having lost once leave the historical scene forever, like Sweden, Portugal, Holland and many others ...

[venik]

Quote: Neftci

Kurds are the floor of the Turkish parliament, even the president was a Kurdish time, do not judge everyone by their arshin. And so the Turks, Russians, Anglo-Saxons are all imperial peoples for them political interests are more important than human lives.

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Look who's Talking!
ALL absolutely ALL "Western democracy" is abruptly involved in LIES and LYCEMERIES !!
Imperial peoples? And who is the most imperial ??? For whom are political interests most important? Who claims to have the right to world domination? Who "brings democracy" to where they don't ask? Why didn't you mention them ??

[Alex20042004]

Where do such smart people come from ?!

[alpamys]

Quote: cap

In war, as in war. What to negotiate when the Kurds are not considered people. Almost the genocide of an entire nation.

at work with a Turk he talked about the Kurds, he cited Chechnya as an example, they say the Kurds are the same as the Chechens in the 90s in Russia.

[code54]

And you yourself did not move from Kazakhstan to Germany?

[alpamys]

Quote: code54

And you yourself did not move from Kazakhstan to Germany?

from Kazakhstan.

[AllXVahhaB]

It lies to you, a completely different situation: our Chechens have their own autonomy, in which they live compactly, with their own language, national attributes and freedom of self-identification, and make up 1% of the total population of Russia. Kurds in Turkey make up 30-35% (according to the CIA for 2014) and have neither autonomy nor a recognized language, and even have no self-name - the Turks are trying to identify them all!
And what is the similarity here ???

[ordinary]

Quote: alpamys

Quote: cap

In war, as in war. What to negotiate when the Kurds are not considered people. Almost the genocide of an entire nation.

at work with a Turk he talked about the Kurds, he cited Chechnya as an example, they say the Kurds are the same as the Chechens in the 90s in Russia.

you see my friend .. explain to your friend that Akhmat Kadyrov made the decision himself and led the whole Chechnya ... and there Erdogashka asks neither Kurds nor Turks and seems only to consult a mirror

[kamikaze]

the first flight of Turkish astronauts to the moon

[Finches]

I do not like these spectacular killings! This was invented by the CIA for the report of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan ... I never rejoice in the death of soldiers, even if they are opponents! Not only regrets - punishers, mercenaries, bandits ... Therefore, over the death of the dead Turkish soldiers you just need to be silent.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Finches

Therefore, over the death of the dead Turkish soldiers you just need to be silent

So the Kurds did their job in silence, destroying the Turkish punishers. Not a single "Allahakbar" on the air.

[Finches]

Here I do not agree with you! Another thing is that the Turks need to somehow begin to negotiate with the Kurds!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Finches

I never rejoice in the death of soldiers, even if they are opponents! Not only regrets - punishers,

In this case, Turkish soldiers for the Kurds are punitive.

Quote: Finches

Another thing is that the Turks need to somehow begin to negotiate with the Kurds!

Such actions are precisely aimed at that, to force official Turkey to stop the destruction of the Kurdish population and sit at the negotiating table.
Agree, the Kurds do not arrange terrorist attacks against the civilian population of Turkey and only the security forces become the objects of their "attention".

[igorka357]

Just remember Chechnya!

[AllXVahhaB]

And why remember her? Chechnya "wandered" since 1991, when the Union collapsed, since 1995 - hostilities, at the beginning of the XNUMXs we sorted it out. Today the Chechen issue has been resolved - Chechnya is a much calmer region than neighboring Dagestan!
The Kurdish uprising began in 1984 and continues to this day. The end he does not even see! Turkey, like Ukraine, will not go to federalization, so it will face the same fate - collapse!

[papik09]

Quote: igorka357

Just remember Chechnya!

Do not confuse God's gift with the scrambled eggs !!!

[The stranger]

Not necessary. And it will be scary, and Europe will not seem enough.

[Olegovi4]

Quote: Finches

the Turks need to somehow begin to negotiate with the Kurds!

they "negotiate", tie them to the car and drag them around the city (you can look for a photo / video yourself, if you wish).

[Executer]

First of all, it is necessary for Kurds to negotiate with the Kurds. And there, the turn will reach the Turks.

[igorka357]

And you dear, do not understand the differences of words, a military man and a punisher! Being a military man of the Russian army you will be sent to restore constitutional order in Dagestan, for example, or Ingushetia ... you probably desert, you are not a punisher? So think and then say, or be silent! Punisher it’s the one who destroys people with pleasure, or for his own benefit! A soldier, he is a soldier to fulfill orders of commanders, and commanders, in turn, are orders of the country's leadership!

[Jack-b]

Quote: igorka357

Being a serviceman of the Russian army, they will send you to restore constitutional order to Dagestan, for example, or to Ingushetia ... I suppose you are deserting, aren't you a punisher?

You confuse the restoration of the constitutional order with genocide and intimidation of civilians.

[igorka357]

Dear me, in December 94th it was on the drum, as it was called, and in the 99th near Tando and Ansalta too! It now comes to me, because every year it seems more and more brains! The Kurds want to live independently, and Chechnya wanted, just the Kurds that the Chechens wanted to live independently of anyone, but at someone's expense! We people love to judge one-sidedly, only as it is more convenient for us to look! That Chechnya would collapse and become a gadyushnik, without outside help, that Kurdistan cannot exist at the expense of Kurdistan alone, they have no state education, no enterprises, nothing ... all this wanted to get that some that the second, at the expense of the states they entered! And the "genocide" as you put it there began only after the Kurds began too zealously to demand independence, which we observed earlier in Chechnya, and I ask you to notice from the Chechens side, we also staged genocide for them, and they also considered us invaders and punishers! As soon as the Kurds receive infusions from Turkey commensurate with the fact that we have entered Chechnya lived ... Kurds and Turks will become brothers for a century! Only the Turks do not have as much money as Russia has ... um, it was at least! Of course, the Kurds are closer to us now than the Turks, but only a couple of years ago the Turks were our friends, and we would have supported the Turks and not the Kurds in the armed confrontation, because who are the Kurds ... what can they give us, but they can't give a nichrome, but Turkey is a partner and a firm and strong partner, as we thought at that time! the situation that is now there, that we had .. almost the same, with a few exceptions!

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: igorka357

Kurds want to live independently, and Chechnya wanted

What Dudaev, what Maskhadov (both Soviet generals, by the way) said: we are ready to live in the USSR, but do not want to live in the Russian Federation! And they could be understood, since the Russian Federation, at that time, was a viper worse than today's Ukraine - with the same oligarchs, overseas curators and letting and selling everyone and everything! And the Chechens, by mentality, respect only strength and serve only the strong! Thank God, we are not Ukrainians, so we returned to the right path and everything fell into place, including the Chechens!

Quote: igorka357

and I ask you to notice from the side of the Chechens we also arranged genocide for them, and they also considered us as occupiers, and punishers!

How you behaved in Chechnya is a matter of your conscience. You claim to be following orders. So here you can show us the order to destroy the peaceful Chechen population? Or was it your personal initiative?

Quote: igorka357

That Chechnya would fall apart and become a viper, without outside help, that Kurdistan could not exist at the expense of Kurdistan itself, they don’t have a state education, they don’t have any enterprises, there’s nothing .. all of this they wanted to get that second, at the expense of the states in which come in!

The fate of small nations is to be under someone, working out their interests. But Kurds are 40 million people - the only people in the world of such numbers who do not have their own statehood! Here Pakistan also never had a public education, but they got it and live! What makes the Kurds worse?

[AllXVahhaB]

Quote: igorka357

As soon as the Kurds begin to receive injections from Turkey commensurate with what we have invested in Chechnya ... Kurds and Turks will become brothers forever!

No shit! Kurds do not need money; first of all, they need their own autonomy, language and self-government recognized at the state level! All that our Chechens have. Money will never replace it ...

Quote: igorka357

but just a couple of years ago, the Turks were friends with us, and we would have supported the Turks and not the Kurds in armed confrontation, because who the Kurds are ... what can they give us, but they can’t

Which friends? What are you about??? We have always (!!!) supported the Kurds, just like the Turks supported our Caucasian separatists! If you personally went on vacation to Turkey, this does not mean that our countries were "friends"!

Quote: igorka357

Turkey is a partner, and the partner is firm and strong, as we thought at that time!

You don't know history well! Explore the Russo-Turkish Wars. The only short moment when our countries were partners is the 20s of the last century. Then we saved Turkey from the division of it by the Entente and contributed to the formation of a state within today's borders. That is why Frunze and Voroshilov are standing on the left hand of Ataturk on Taksim Square in Istanbul! Then Turkey joined NATO and deployed missiles with nuclear warheads on its territory! What a partnership. In the confusion of the 90s, those like you thought that we were "friends" - well, of course, shuttles carry goods, and tourists bask on the beach. But at the same time, Chechen fighters were treated and recovered in Turkey! Now Erdogan is pursuing a "pro-Ottoman" policy and everything is returning to the level of the XNUMXth century!
So what kind of partnership can we talk about ???

Quote: igorka357

Therefore, the situation that is now there, that was with us ... is practically the same, with a few exceptions!

Absolutely different situations!

[vandarus]

Ah tyzh ... We have arranged a genocide for them ?! And when did they cut out all the nineties, they forgot Russian? Do you know how they got weapons? Maybe you arranged a genocide for them? Confess robbed? Shoot the peace? My comrades and I did not arrange genocide, but they fought honestly and the locals were driving us food for a block on the Grozny-Argun road not for fear, but, normally, for money. And they’ve never tried to travail, they don’t behave like that with oppressors.

[AllXVahhaB]

Your definitions are strange ... Whoever destroys people with pleasure is a maniac, who for his own benefit is a mercenary. And the punisher is just a soldier destroying the civilian population, not participating in the hostilities, and for what purpose - to intimidate, clear the territory or undermine the partisan base, as well as the feelings he experiences while doing this, have nothing to do with it!

[nikon7717]

I agree on a human basis. Sorry for the people.
But I remember. Whoever comes to us with a sword will die by the sword.
According to the Ottoman Turks came as invaders, and organized the genocide.
There, in essence, fascism and the plan "Ost" in miniature.
During the Second World War, the Kurds had a "rail war".

[bocsman]

Quote: Finches

I do not like these spectacular killings! This was invented by the CIA for the report of the Mujahideen in Afghanistan ... I never rejoice in the death of soldiers, even if they are opponents! Not only regrets - punishers, mercenaries, bandits ... Therefore, over the death of the dead Turkish soldiers you just need to be silent.

"You shouldn't feel sorry for us,
After all, we did not spare anyone, "
There is such a song, Volontir performed.
But for Turkish soldiers, this is the job. After all, shooting at the peaceful and non-peaceful population of the Kurds they think that they are doing their duty. Well, any debt - Payment is beautiful!

[AID.S]

I agree, this is reality, it has become available to everyone who wants and does not want to look at it and comment. And in any case, you will not envy the soldiers. Indeed, a bad world is better ....

[domokl]

Quote: Finches

I do not like these spectacular killings!

In war as in war. The videos have the same purpose as the demonstration executions ... Intimidate the enemy.
I agree, it's disgusting when they kill for a movie. But the comparison with Afghanistan, in my opinion, is not very. There is a report, there is intimidation through the Internet ... Demoralization of the enemy

[Finches]

Yes, God knows him ... Maybe the same report ...

[Alexey-74]

I support ....

[Uncle]

Quote: Finches

Therefore, over the death of the dead Turkish soldiers you just need to be silent.

Well, you give, a minute of silence they honor their fallen. For example, those killed in Syria.

[Finches]

These are the rules of a good military tone - keep quiet over the soldier’s grave! If he is not a looter, punisher, bandit or murderer ... but just a soldier!

[Jack-b]

Quote: Finches

These are the rules of a good military tone - keep quiet over the soldier’s grave! If he is not a looter, punisher, bandit or murderer ... but just a soldier!

Why doesn’t the language turn to call them soldiers.

[igorka357]

In your 18-19 years, weren't you soldiers too?

[maxbrov74]

You probably weren’t. You have a pederastic flag.

[insular]

That's who would speak for the flags ...

[Jack-b]

Quote: igorka357

In your 18-19 years, weren't you soldiers too?

Also burned people alive?

[uranium]

to trust RT not to respect themselves in the report, the number of victims is growing exponentially every minute, then 200 then 300 then 400. be objective

[igorka357]

Come on ... but don’t remember how the German soldiers buried our heroes with honors, it happened like that, can you imagine ..?

[Alex20042004]

Yes, it was, but when on one of ours, there were 30-50 adversaries.

[maxbrov74]

Are you asking us to feel sorry for the dead German soldiers? These "noble people" who burned most of our country and killed 27 million of our citizens? I don't care who and how they buried. I would flatten all the graves of these scum and fill them with salt along with their cities.

[igorka357]

I fully support, and always held such an opinion!

[Pitot]

Yes. I agree. They are soldiers, carried out the order. And they died like soldiers. Laughter is inappropriate.

[Ruswolf]

Pitot
Yes. I agree. They are soldiers, carried out the order. And they died like soldiers. Laughter is inappropriate.

This is what distinguishes the real Russian (Russian in spirit) - For the Russian, the enemy is an enemy soldier with weapons in his hands during the battle. And in battle, Russian is ready to tear enemies with his hands and teeth, without pity and regret .... but only in battle!
And after the battle, with sympathy: - "And why did you not sit at home! Why did you come here to us?"
I do not argue this attitude could only be to a soldier on the battlefield. And the punishers are killers, and they did not have forgiveness.
No wonder the Russian language has no analogue to the word killer

[Zlodeey]

By the way, the v-shaped capsule remained intact, however, this did not help the crew.

[Monster_Fat]

hope no one got hurt ...

[Karasik]

Quote: Monster_Fat

hope no one got hurt ..

Are you kidding me? Who could survive there ?!

[inkass_98]

Quote: ZloDeey

v-shaped capsule left intact

Yeah, as in that joke: "Pop fell from the bell tower in new galoshes. Galoshes at least something, but pop into smithereens."
With such an explosion, there should be canned food inside the "mass grave", no protection will help, it was not the tank that was blown up.

[revnagan]

On a mountain serpentine a shabby "Moskichenok" "cuts" a "steep" Merce "and he falls into the abyss. A frightened little man jumps out of the" Moskvich ", runs up to the edge of the abyss and shouts: -Is there anyone alive?

[Sly]

Quote: ZloDeey

By the way, the v-shaped capsule remained intact, however, this did not help the crew.

Stanno, what’s twisted in the video then flies over the mountain?

[Chills]

Suspension like or face (dviglo with a hood).

[genisis]

According to the Turks http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/three-security-officers-killed-in-pkk-attacks-c
ar-crash-in-turkeys-southeast.aspx? pageID = 238 & nID = 99429 & NewsCatID = 509

Apparently the V-shaped bottom and hanging chairs helped. Of the 13, only 5 were killed (one died already in the hospital), 8 were injured, four of them, seriously.

[Trotil42]

Well, it’s not true that it didn’t help ... it really helped .. now they are appeased by 40 virgins in the Muslim paradise ... the rest are preparing and envying

[alpamys]

Quote: ZloDeey

By the way, the v-shaped capsule remained intact, however, this did not help the crew.

I think that the V-shaped floor is much more dangerous than the simple one, in the event of an explosion, the blast wave divides the angle and it flows around it (fig. left), with the V-shaped whole wave goes directly to the side (fig. right)

[Alex_Rarog]

Damn interesting hopping there explosives he was 10 meters soared!

[Michael67]

I went a little low. Looks like rain.
This is revenge for crime and genocide.
Still ahead.

[dmi.pris1]

"The first seconds ..... The flight is normal ...!

[Yars]

Quote: avvg

Erdogan with the Kurds will definitely play out.

I think he already played out!

[4ekist]

What did the Turks have flying armored cars? Cool.

[kit-kat]

Terrible thing. I would not want to be in this armored car.

[Andrey K]

Civil Kurds, whom the Turks, by order of the "Sultan", are simply destroying at the root
The Turks probably thought that the destruction of the population, their own people, they just get away with it
All these bombings, attacks, hijackings of police stations, suicide bombers in Ankara - will continue until Erdogan ceases the genocide against the Kurds

[uranium]

do not forget Chechnya house bombings hostage-taking. Or not, oh yes double standards)))

[A-Sim]

experience is felt.

[Dan4eG]

Can anyone tell me how many explosives were?

[CORNET]

Quote: Dan4eG

Can anyone tell me how many explosives were?

Minimum 50 kg ...

[Dan4eG]

Not sickly 16 tons claimed! There probably would have been no good for the tank!

[Mountain shooter]

By eye, 20 kilograms of TNT. Maybe less. Undermined from the slope under the canvas. In the Machine, or rather, in its wreckage, of course, stuffing. The pillar is a landmark. Most likely, the detonation is remote. Although ... Personally, I would have waited for the column
Soldiers - it’s a pity, they execute the order, but if Erdogan was sitting there
Oh, dreams ...

[CORNET]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

By eye, 20 kilograms of TNT

More ... obviously! I'm sure ..

[MACCABI-TLV]

Quote: CORNET

More ... obviously! I'm sure ..

most likely you are right.

[igorka357]

Not a fact, in vain you are so sure .. you saw a 152mm high-explosive mine blast ..? He would have already convinced you!

[Scoun]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

By eye, 20 kilograms of TNT. Maybe less.

+ Most likely you are right. The picture is clickable.

[igorka357]

Yes, the majority does not understand here that they were the same there as we were in the 94th! Right now any Turk is a soldier, murderer and executioner of innocent Kurds!

[Denis DV]

Kurds do not spare explosives, a powerful explosion

[Andreitas]

What he sowed, he shook it.

[Afinogen]

Why did one armor explode, and not when the column was traveling (there would have been an explosive wave and light jeeps)?

[Pyokhar]

Obviously, the Kurds didn’t include a clash: they quietly blew up a single armored car and quietly retreated.

[Disant]

yes, other cars would not be hurt. but the fact that he rode in isolation - this, in my opinion, played a role. perhaps there was a machine in the convoy with a jammer from a radio mine, and this one was not under the hood ...

[Doomph]

Ottomans flew to the guria?

[igorka357]

Another wise guy, well, what the hell, huh? To Muslims like faithful Muslims fly, who gave their lives in jihad, although there are different opinions on this!

[Sly]

Quote: Dan4eG

Can anyone tell me how many explosives were?

it is necessary to ask the Kurds

[universe1]

Low gone. Looks like rain. And on the subject, yes, what goes around comes around.

[vadimtt]

Yes, protection class 3b (8kg BB) according to STANAG is clearly not enough. There is no reception against scrap.

[wandlitz]

Erdogan needs to remember the truth "You reap what you sow."

[Runx135]

Hardcore. There, even if the whole capsule remained, it was enough to have one overload which was transferred by all those participating in this "attraction".

[domokl]

there is stuffing ... The explosion is very professional.

[Chills]

Broke everyone?

[DenZ]

Quote: Athenogen

Why did one armor explode, and not when the column was traveling (there would have been a blast wave and light jeeps would have suffered

We must have tried to inflict as much damage as possible on manpower (in MRAPe). IMHO the right tactic.

[Afinogen]

Quote: DenZ

We must have tried to inflict as much damage as possible on manpower

Damage would be much greater if they exploded the armor in the column when jeeps were driving in front and behind.

[Chills]

In the battle of physical education with the Trudovik, the Trudovik defeated. Because karate is karate, and an ax is an ax. Inspired by ...

[gukoyan]

Beautifully flew)) (((

[BOB044]

Until the Kurds have their own state. And they will live in it calmly. And no one will not threaten them, only then will their hostilities with the Turks cease.

[cap]

Quote: BOB044

Until the Kurds have their own state. And they will live in it calmly. And no one will not threaten them, only then will their hostilities with the Turks cease.

As soon as the Kurds sitting on oil have a state, they will have to forget about a quiet life, and then the opposition will appear.
Naturally moderate.

[tracker]

Iraqi Kurds sit well on oil and with Turks as friends and spit on Turkish Kurds

[Pinkie F.]

Quote: BOB044

Until the Kurds have their own state. And they will live in it calmly. And no one will not threaten them, only then will their hostilities with the Turks cease.

and do you believe in this nonsense? That is - give them statehood (more precisely - five) - and the point is in the hat, the Kurds will graze the sheep and build a powerful economy?

[The stranger]

How they will live in their state is their business. They will not decide for us. But they certainly will not live under the Turks.
You also did not want to live under the Mongols, Tatars, Panas, Napoleon, Hitler ... And you even beat the Turks, helping me to get out from under them.
Their cause is just, and victory will be theirs.

[igorka357]

And here the matter is in force, Chechnya also did not want to be part of, but the composition said that it would be, and it remained .. and right now, brothers for a century, Ramzan is ready to gnaw at the throats for GDP, still ... so much dough was swelled there. !

[Max White]

“Chechnya didn’t want to be a member either,” do you really think so?
Chechnya was pushed to it from the outside in order to separate it from Russia. Kadyrov at one time realized that the people of Chechnya use third forces as cannon fodder in their interests, and he saved his people, going over to the side of the federal forces.
And you still don’t seem to understand this.

[igorka357]

Well, people here do not understand this ..))!

[igorka357]

What will they live on, dig a pit and draw oil in buckets and drag it to the market, nothing for the Kurds to live on except for their gardens, and besides the land they don’t have anything, everything is Turkish, have you ever thought about that?

[Penzuck]

Does the posting of such a video on such a respectable VO resource comply with moral norms?
I think that the video from the test of the Kipri ​​armored vehicle for detonation from a land mine would get a definite plus (as an illustration of the practical value / inferiority of the use of this type of equipment in police operations). Those. the article is not "technical" or "military-practical", but political ...
No matter how we “love” our “Kurdish allies”, it is not right to rejoice at the death of the Turkish military (like revenge? For our pilots and marines, but then why are we better?). Immoral. Some people think that putting SUCH article as a plus, we answer the question: "Is the Russian Federation good from undermining" Erdogan's henchmen "that we hate?", In fact, the question is different: "Do we support the propaganda of terrorism?" otherwise, double standards. After all, we do not know what kind of "Kurds" they are, maybe they are not members of the Turkish PKK, but ISIS fighters?

[vvp2412]

Do not go swimming!
a good enemy is a dead enemy!
Who is to blame?
Turks. The Turks began to wet the Kurds after a long truce, the Turks fed Isil.
Soldiers are part of the system. The same soldier-pilots shot down our plane on the orders of Perdogan!

[Penzuck]

Quote: vvp2412

Do not go swimming!

Yes, I’m not a moralist.

Quote: vvp2412

a good enemy is a dead enemy!

When the Americans genocide Indians were also sensitive and acted directly on your principle ...

Quote: vvp2412

Who is to blame?

But let's not spit on the monitor and bring the conversation to the interpersonal level. An article about the unthinkable (straight to the point of courage) "flight" of a Turkish armored car -

"Turkish armored car in flight (video)"

Maybe re-name: "One flew over the Cuckoo's nest" - laugh for one over the corpses?

[Andrey Skokovsky]

Quote: Penzuck

Maybe re-name: "One flew over the Cuckoo's nest" - laugh for one over the corpses?

You confuse mockery of the enemy, with respect for well-done and proper work. Based on your logic, any soldier must constantly repent and pray, since he is forced to kill.

This is a primitive but thoughtful liberal manipulation - you blur the difference between a murder committed in the name of protecting your country, your people and murder for the sake of profit and self-interest. You make the very possibility of armed defense - shameful.

The same methods are used by the West to destroy the results of the Great Patriotic War, there is a chatter that all the bad ones and the Wehrmacht and the Red Army were all killing, this is especially pronounced in today's Ukraine.
Ukrainian youth, without exception, taldychit it, hard-knocked into the brains of televisions, and in fact deceived from the people the victory in the Second World War paid for by the blood of their ancestors. Grandchildren are ashamed of their grandfathers! Bingo!

By the way, the next stage in such rhetoric is "love" for the one who commits aggression against you, instead of protecting the victim, you feel sorry for the rapist, you can admire in flowers in civilized Europe!
So you go to x .... with your advice, and once again we will admire how a Turkish-made Jewish bronik turns into mincemeat, for we deserve it in full and only so with such people.

[Penzuck]

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

You confuse mockery of the enemy, with respect for well-done and proper work.

I do not confuse, but use the grotesque to emphasize ... the defectiveness of this article.

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

Based on your logic

What?

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

liberal manipulation

It’s rather a gray matter that went numb in your convolutions. Since I did not condemn NEVER on this site the national liberation struggle of the Kurds.

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

So go on ....

Oh how. How hooked you are. And they stuck about the Second World War, and they drew Hitler and called him a liberal. And on the basis of their own delirium they were offended and sent me.

[Max White]

"The flaw in this article" - what is the flaw in the article? Do not confuse with the inferiority of some comments to it, for example yours.

[renics]

But don’t you see how Kurds humanely acted? And it couldn’t have happened humanely, first they undermine the front transport, then the rear and the whole bag, then they finish the middle.

[andrew42]

Enough of grimacing already. Firstly, this is not our war, and sentiment is inappropriate here. Anyone who is impatient - go to the demonstration with a poster "Forgive us, Turks!" Secondly, Erdogan's Turkey is one step away from the war with Russia, ahead of the entire NATO locomotive. And, I think, most of our people are even morally prepared for the Russian-Turkish war. In such a situation, it is inappropriate to feel sorry for the Turkish soldiers. If we were weaker, these armored vehicles would have traveled across Crimea. Thirdly, we are not yet at war with either the Turks or the Kurds, and we do not want this. Therefore, we have every moral right to determine for ourselves who is the predator and who is the victim. Now the victim is the Kurds. And the armor with predators was blown up. Dot. No condolences for these stupid but deservedly God-sent deaths.

[Penzuck]

Quote: andrew42

No condolences for these stupid, but deservedly sent by God deaths.

Now God added to his writings?

Quote: andrew42

go to the demonstration

It’s good to send me, already sent to three places

Quote: andrew42

Be weaker

Mr. Evidence, in this regard I don’t argue with YOU, eat Vitamin A calm down already.
It is a civilizational question, who does not respect the enemy - he will surely get rid of him. And the article in the form it is now (sic!) Is unsatisfactory. My "logic" IMHO:
sugar in vermicelli is inappropriate - disgusting.
You argue:
sugar-carbohydrate, if you don’t eat carbohydrates, you will become bent.
I tell you:
pasta is also carbohydrates.
You tell me:
You are a liberal, you want to take sugar from children.
I say: there were no thoughts.
You say: they fed me sugar and noodles in the kindergarten under Stalin, and Putin also did not disdain, while Hitler took sugar from children in concentration camps. In general, God himself ordered sugar to be eaten with noodles and nothing else.
Bottom line: you are raving.
CONCLUSION: It remains for me to twist at the temple and end the conversation with you.

[andrew42]

Firstly, I didn’t sign up to be a mister. Secondly, you did not understand anything at all. They just took the bit. Personally, I am also disgusted with the schadenfreude of some comments. But I am not going to crumble in courtesies to the Turks either. It's my pleasure. SOLDIERS were killed. On the right side or not, depending on where you look. But they went to kill, and died themselves. Thirdly, today these are the soldiers of the most likely enemy. If Turkey and Russia will have peace and love, then we will sprinkle ashes on our heads and condole. So far, the opposite is true. And then it’s interesting to learn from you: you feel sorry for the Turkish soldiers, but they do not seem to feel sorry for their own (if tomorrow there is a war with Turkey). War is such a well-known thing: some good people kill other good people, and mutually. Only some of them are their own, while others are strangers. Let's throw out our own, caress others? And the last one, where did you dig it from, that I "do not respect" the strength of the Turkish armed forces? - Just the same very "respect", and regard it as the most combat-ready component of NATO on the Russian borders, moreover, ready for an adventure.

[Penzuck]

Quote: andrew42

I didn’t make an appointment with Misters

1.

Quote: andrew42

Secondly, you didn’t understand anything at all.

2.

Quote: andrew42

. To me personally, the gloating of some comments is also disgusting.

3. Progress has gone, At the time when I wrote the comment, there were most "nasty comments".

Quote: andrew42

courtesies before the Turks crumble

4. I DO NOT OFFER!

Quote: andrew42

depending on where to look

5. On what grounds did you compose a Turkish epic here? I look from the same side as you, only more cautious in the conclusions.

Quote: andrew42

then we will sprinkle ashes on our heads, but condolences.

6. I understand your sensual emotional organization, I won’t be surprised that you will still sob into the Turkish soldiers’s pillow ... enough about that, I would hug you and stroke your head, but the monitor does not allow ...
7.

Quote: andrew42

Just the same, I "respect" it very much, and I regard it as the most combat-ready component of NATO on the Russian borders, and moreover, ready for an adventure.

Once again: YOU - Respect, you are well done, that I can not say about the author of this article. This can even be seen from the title of the article and its poor quality. (how fast do you repeat that?)

[Penzuck]

Everyone has already figured out that I put the minus of the article.
30: 1 in favor of the "hurray-patriots" against me. Aggravate? RF Criminal Code
Article 280. Public calls for extremist activity
1. Public calls for extremist activity -
etc.
2. The same acts committed using the media or information and telecommunication networks, including the Internet,
shall be punishable by forced labor for a term of up to five years, with or without deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions for a period of up to three years, or deprivation of liberty for a term of up to five years, with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years.

Who agrees with

Quote: Ros 56

So it is also necessary to mine the roads from Turkey to Syria

and justification can be specious:

Quote: Ros 56

so that the militants do not penetrate.

[Andrey Skokovsky]

Quote: Penzuck

Everyone has already figured out that I put the minus of the article.
30: 1 in favor of the "hurray-patriots" against me. Aggravate? RF Criminal Code
Article 280. Public calls for extremist activity
1. Public calls for extremist activity -
etc.
2. The same acts committed using the media or information and telecommunication networks, including the Internet,
shall be punishable by forced labor for a term of up to five years, with or without deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions for a period of up to three years, or deprivation of liberty for a term of up to five years, with deprivation of the right to occupy certain positions or engage in certain activities for a term of up to three years.

you dear Shoigu, run to court sue based on your liberal logic, he should thunder to the maximum and all the Russian Armed Forces too, imagine, they even took an oath, to defend the people and country with weapons .....
unequivocally, the terrorists themselves admitted.

[Penzuck]

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

you dear

- yes (in certain circles )

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

Shoigu

Sergey Kuzhugetovich will be offended if you apply his authoritative figure to your speech.

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

run to court

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

So go on ....

Is it torn now?

Quote: Andrey Skokovsky

uniquely

The only word I liked.

[andrew42]

Verbiage is continuous.

[exumer]

Each state has the right to independently decide how to protect its borders. This is, above all, the defense of one’s own sovereignty.

[Max White]

"Do we support the propaganda of terrorism?" - this is not terrorism, this is war. Where do you see civilians? An army armored car with soldiers was blown up. Do not mix two different concepts into one mess. Or our great-grandfathers, partisans, undermining the fascist train were also terrorists ???
"After all, we do not know what kind of" Kurds "they are, maybe they are not members of the Turkish PKK, but ISIS fighters?" - you want to say that the ISIS will undermine their breadwinners, those who supply them with weapons and provide support ???
Carry your nonsense somewhere else!

[Ros 56]

It is also necessary to mine the roads from Turkey to Syria so that the militants do not penetrate.

[sodick]

Because of the stupidity and greed, a handful of politicians are dying, sorry.

[masiya]

the realities of the war ... what the sultan wanted is what he gets, he only ruins the people and the Kurds and his own, but unih it’s in the blood apparently the Janissaries are bad ...

[Dimon19661]

Well, the soldier is sorry, but politicians have not suffered (

[encarcelado]

The Russian audience compares favorably with the Ukrainian one. There isn't much gloating. On the contrary, they feel sorry for the soldiers. On Ukrainian forums on video and photo "peremog" with "Russian" victims ukropatriots scratching all kinds of evil rubbish.

[Sly]

Quote: encarcelado

The Russian audience compares favorably with the Ukrainian one.

And what is the benefit? I think the wrong word.

[Chills]

Duc IN zhezh, the military component of the incident is more interesting. Those. how many kg? Why didn't the fighters survive? How would a tank survive such a land mine? How could the Turks not get stuck? How did the Kurds so cleverly disguise themselves as land mines? How would the explosion work if there were not asphalt but concrete?

[Penzuck]

Quote: universe1

Low gone. Looks like rain. And on the subject, yes, what goes around comes around.

9-50

Quote: Doomph

Ottomans flew to the guria?

9-46

Quote: Militon

Not long tormented the old woman in high-voltage wires, her charred carcass and still lies in the bushes. Death of the punisher, a holiday for the population.

9-48

Quote: gukoyan

Beautifully flew)) (((

9-57

Quote: encarcelado

There is no particular gloating. On the contrary - the soldiers feel sorry

10-33
encarcelado - you are not a troll case? I don’t believe that you wrote a comment for 40 minutes.

[Konstantin Yu]

I hope from the explosion, none of the Kurds were hurt .... about the rest, I do not hope

[Anphy]

Low went. Looks like rain.

[Penzuck]

Quote: Anphy

Low went. Looks like rain.

Little plagiarism ...
"Chukchi is not a reader, Chukchi is a writer" ...

[Thompson]

Quote: inkass_98

Quote: ZloDeey

v-shaped capsule left intact

Yeah, as in that joke: "Pop fell from the bell tower in new galoshes. Galoshes at least something, but pop into smithereens."
With such an explosion, there should be canned food inside the "mass grave", no protection will help, it was not the tank that was blown up.

Her, as in another joke - Stewardess - citizens are passengers, we go to the landing, please fasten your seat belts, otherwise it will be like last time.
... and how was the last time ???
How, how, who didn’t fasten, those who smeared, who fastened, how alive they were.
And laughter and sin. But the war .. it is so bad

[Taygerus]

good greetings to the farther from the Kurds turned out, yet to send him himself on such a flight, it is possible without an armored car, so that he goes higher

[Arkan]

The car in the trash !!! The Turks are getting more and more expensive the genocide of the Kurdish people. Erdogan really doesn’t give a damn about the sacrifices on both sides, because he does not lose his relatives or close friends.

[Berkut752]

Russia at one time created, and continues to create, flying tanks (capable of jumping from ski jumps), but the Kurds decided to modernize the Turkish armored car .... but they decided to test, it is better to entrust the Turkish military specialists.
The withdrawal of the armored car remained "intact", but refinement, stabilization during "planning and landing" is needed.
As for the deaths of soldiers, every soldier knows that this is a war and you can die on it. Moreover, they didn’t go to a sanatorium to rest, but to kill Kurds.

[Echo]

The first Turkish crew of the Kipri ​​spacecraft was successfully put into low Earth orbit.

[Ruswolf]

For me, the capsule is only needed to calm the "passengers" and is designed for a small explosive charge. Only now the enemy always fights against the rules ..... All the time he overestimates the norm of what is permitted.

[Skubudu]

Nevertheless, the armored capsule saved most of the crew.
The machine itself can be set 5-ku for the fact that with such a powerful explosion, there are survivors.

[Horst78]

As I understand it, the bookmark was under ASPHALT

[Deniosf]

Beautifully flew

[free]

Sow the wind, reap the storm!

[Zaurbek]

Tin, even if the car withstood the blast, the mince remained from the fighters.

[Orionvit]

Quote: BOB044

Until the Kurds have their own state. And they will live in it calmly. And no one will not threaten them, only then will their hostilities with the Turks cease.

As long as there is no normal relationship with the Kurds, there will be no order. Unfortunately time is lost. It’s like in the Donbas. It was possible to agree, while they did not start shooting people, now nothing. On the other hand, the Turks consider themselves to be a stubborn nation, and believe that everything is allowed to them. Although if you look at the history, then, in addition to grief, suffering, and direct destruction, the surrounding peoples and states did not see the Turks. So they have already gained their karma, now it's time to pay.

[brr1]

Film remembered from childhood - "Flight of the Navigator"

[Old warrior]

What a horror. And how many explosives were there?

[Russian]

Quote: avvg

Erdogan with the Kurds will definitely play out.

God forbid, not the last.

[armat]

I constantly watch Kurdish TV channels. I especially like the channel of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, which is waging a liberation struggle against Turkish Nazism. I felt bitterness when I watched the unacceptable rapprochement between Russia and the Erdogan regime. I understood that there were good tactical reasons for this, but the masks were ripped off! and Russia paid a bitter price.
As for the Kurds. 20 million Kurds do not have their own statehood due to religious, political and socio-cultural disunity. If a state like Kurdistan arises, then it must certainly be federal. The heterogeneity of the ethnic group is so great.
Kurds are great fighters. I especially admire the Kurdish women, who can be seen not only in the national units, but also in the special units of the Iraqi army.
Even the American special forces are forced to wear the uniform of the Kurdistan liberation army, which caused Erdogan's wild fury. Kurds must independently determine their reliable ally. Kurds are increasing pressure on the United States and in the near future we will find out what choice the Kurds will make.

[Undermined ustoev]

I understood that there are good tactical reasons for this.
Yes, the usual loot, gesheft and other profit. Why gloss over something?
Russia paid a bitter price
Not at all. I’ve lost only three soldiers, if you believe the official report. (Relatives of each have a different lemon in the mouth, a magnificent funeral and other honors so that the others do not think that they will be forgotten. But they will be forgotten. The central media have already forgotten.) But the Russian ones state monopolies will receive from Assad the exclusive right to develop resources and supply finished products to Syria, which will not hinder once again the prices in Russia itself to blow up. Apparently, the guys in Syria died for this. Tensions in the North Caucasus, for example, because of successes in Syria, have not diminished. Constantly from there alarming reports come.
Kurds are great fighters. I especially admire the Kurdish women, who can be seen not only in the national units, but also in the special units of the Iraqi army.
And what else is left to do for people on whom they constantly, for several generations, "work out techniques"? Fight back or surrender. Kurds are fighting back. Well done. Until they fought back to the point that the war in some way turned for them into the meaning of life and a source of existence.

[Andrew]

Everything is going on like in Ukraine ... Ukraine, like Turkey, greatly underestimated their rivals giving such arguments as - they are weakly dressed! They have poor and small weapons! There are fewer than us! And the winner is not the one who has more meat in shape, but the one who has a head on his shoulder

[doework]

"Good" terrorists ... "Bad" terrorists ... Insurgents ... Militias ... Oppositionists ...

a complete mess is going on ... sooner or later the number of assorted "militias" will turn into a large-scale conflict ... The Americans are masters of inciting and supporting local conflicts, away from their borders!

[proud]

Mal mosquito yes bites painfully!

[ratfly]

Mdaaa ... the Kurds seem to have launched their first space ship, but with the Turkish crew ...

[Algetxnumx]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Ami du peuple (5) Today, 09:52 ↑
Quote: Finches
Therefore, over the death of the dead Turkish soldiers, you just need to keep silent. Here the Kurds did their job in silence, destroying the Turkish punishers. Not a single "Allahakbar" on the air.

I agree one hundred percent, and in general, the soldiers also shot down our "drying room", although they acted like bandits, and the conversation with the bandits is short.

[Prisoner]

The lads fell under the distribution. And don’t do it.

[Vim]

For some reason, no one objects to the comparison of Chechnya and Kurdistan. In my opinion, the situation is not comparable. No one humiliated Chechens in Russia, much less killed before the start of hostilities on their part. Turks lower and destroy Kurds for a long time and regularly with variable intensity. Another significant argument is that there are just over 1 million Chechens and, by definition, a state with such a population cannot be independent in the modern world. There will be a new overlord instantly (and not even one) and we can say for sure who it would be in the case of Chechnya. And here are 40 million Kurds! And this is a very strong argument. And on the topic here, many correctly said: sow the wind - reap the storm.

[Forever so]

Oh, and nichrome yourself, as the astronauts say - Ain seconds, normal flight, seconds, normal flight, drive seconds, uncontrolled rotation began.

[Evil 55]

Only speed saves lives ..

[newterra]

It's amazing how they took off ((

[infantryman2020]

Quote: Trotil42

Mentally it turned out ...

You, dear, are simply... Do you also watch similar footage of the explosions of our military in Chechnya and drool with happiness?

[infantryman2020]

Half of those who commented on the post. What are you happy about?

[japs]

It was done quite professionally for the partisans. Most likely, a 122 mm landmine was planted. A careful look reveals a freshly dug roadside, leading to the idea that the detonation was carried out by an operator.
The Kurds, having fought since 1984, have gained good experience. War is their way of existence. The peaceful Kurds flocked to Geyropa and settled there completely.

[Munchhausen]

Who said that the crew died?
Energy-absorbing seats + fastened crew. Do pilots experience much less overload when ejecting?

[Voenoboz]

Not even a tank can survive a landmine. The crew was probably crushed to dust.

[Munchhausen]

Quote: infantryman2020

Half of those who commented on the post. What are you happy about?

The same thing that some people rejoiced at when the Su-24 was shot down.

[Brigadier]

The "ErdoGADA chicks" flew beautifully! Welcome!

[Aandrewsir]

Kurds are a “big and fat plus”!!!

[kvapu1976]

Such a bookmark is enough for a tank. The punishers paid for their insolence. You can even determine the location of the bookmark on the screen.

[gorez.69]

It flies beautifully, however,

[Balagan]

It scattered beautifully.

[lukewarm]

Allah Akbar shouted? usually they scream - everything explodes at once . Right down to the kettle. There are a lot of videos, I would say psaki

[Rock616]

Alah-babah, death to Ishak Perdogan and his assholes

[Sever086]

Quote: andrew42

Enough of grimacing already. Firstly, this is not our war, and sentiment is inappropriate here. Anyone who is impatient - go to the demonstration with a poster "Forgive us, Turks!" Secondly, Erdogan's Turkey is one step away from the war with Russia, ahead of the entire NATO locomotive. And, I think, most of our people are even morally prepared for the Russian-Turkish war. In such a situation, it is inappropriate to feel sorry for the Turkish soldiers. If we were weaker, these armored vehicles would have traveled across Crimea. Thirdly, we are not yet at war with either the Turks or the Kurds, and we do not want this. Therefore, we have every moral right to determine for ourselves who is the predator and who is the victim. Now the victim is the Kurds. And the armor with predators was blown up. Dot. No condolences for these stupid but deservedly God-sent deaths.

Straight to the point....