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Vladimir Putin visited Athos, where the celebration of the millennium of the presence of Russian monasticism on Holy Hill took place. As stated by the President of the Russian Federation, Mount Athos is in many ways a source of the moral foundations of society. According to V. V. Putin, Russia's ties with the Holy Mountain and Greece will be strengthened.




In 1016, the mention of a Russian monastery on Mount Athos (Ksilurgu monastery) appeared in the Athos annals. Now it also exists: it is a hermitage at the Holy Panteleimon monastery.

Today Athos, notes "Russian Planet", becomes the center of political confrontation. The fact is that the European Union does not leave attempts to “spray” the Holy Mountain in its anti-religious space. At the beginning of the “zero years”, the European Parliament, relying on the feminist movement, tried to cancel the avaton - the thousand-year rule of the Holy Mountain, which prohibits women from visiting it. In the future, there were "attempts to bribe - the loans allocated by the EU for the reconstruction of monasteries, which, for example, Kostamonit, for example, refused, were fundamentally refused, saying that" loans are equal dependence and lawlessness. "

It is not surprising that the millennial date is so important and is declared the source of the moral foundations of the Orthodox society: Russia and the West have come together here in their ideological confrontation.

Correspondent "Kommersant" Pavel Korobov watched the Russian president receive in Greece.

May 27 V. Putin met with colleague Prokopis Pavlopoulos and Prime Minister A. Tsipras. Then the president went by car to the St. Panteleimon monastery - the center of Russian monasticism on the peninsula. The monks covered the road to the main cathedral with laurel leaves: this is done for selected guests. “For us, Vladimir Putin is a welcome guest,” one of the monks confirmed to the correspondent. “We invited him to the celebrations in advance, wrote a special letter.”

Half an hour before Putin’s arrival, the monks lit wax candles on the chandeliers and began to rock them. "This is a Greek tradition, - explained in the monastery. - Symbolizes the image of the forces of heaven, which were in motion at the creation of the world."

Under the ringing of the bells, the publication further reports, the Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia Kirill (who arrived on Athos earlier) came out of the altar, went to the monastery gates, and then, accompanied by monks, led Putin to the cathedral.

“I cordially greet you on behalf of the Russian Orthodox Church, on behalf of the monastic brotherhood on Mount Athos, on the memorable days of the 1000 anniversary of the presence of Russian monasticism on Holy Mount,” the patriarch addressed the president. - During these thousand years much has happened: Athos has undergone both ups and downs, both peaceful life and war. And very often it is with Russia, with the Russian people, that the quiet life on this Holy Mountain is connected. ” Thanking then the head of the Russian Federation for participating in the rebuilding of the shrines, the patriarch noted that "today at the divine service we prayed for you as the head of the Russian state, we prayed for our church, for the people." In memory, the president was presented the image of the martyr Panteleimon.

In response, the president said that he visited Athos in 2005, and acknowledged that the changes here "have just happened." He recalled that Russia and Athos have long been linked by close religious ties, and "the Athos monastic traditions play a significant role in the life of the Russian people."

Holy Mount Athos is in many ways a source of the moral foundations of society, Vladimir Putin said. He thanked the Ecumenical Patriarch and the primates of the Greek Orthodox Church for what they did to maintain relations with the Russian Orthodox Church and the Russian people. "I am here for the second time and always feel a special warmth, kindness and the best attitude not only to me as the head of the Russian state, but to the Russian people, the people as a whole," Putin said. TASS.

The President noted that an “act very necessary for the Orthodox world” is taking place on the Holy Mountain, associated with the strengthening of the moral foundations of society. “You are largely the source of this well-being and grace,” Putin said.

In addition to participating in the celebration of the millennium of the presence of Russian monasticism on Holy Mountain, the Russian president held a meeting with the Greek president, Prokopis Pavlopoulos. The parties signed a package of documents relating to cooperation in the field of investment development, agriculture, energy efficiency, tourism, energy, interregional cooperation, reports RBC.

Contrary to the sanctions, plans of cooperation were approved at the talks, notes "Russian newspaper".

Answering the question of the RG observer about the new gas pipeline project from Russia to Greece, and then to Italy under the Black Sea, Putin said that economic cooperation is the best guarantee for ensuring peace.

“We are ready to consider any project, regardless of the context of political relations with any country in Europe, with our neighbors,” he said. “But we need preliminary guarantees, just to talk about the fact that this is of great mutual interest, we will no longer buy, and we will not spend money on it.”

Something said and the Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras. “We strive to function within the framework of the European Union and NATO as a positive bridge of friendship and cooperation between Europe and Russia,” he said. “Energy should act as a bridge of cooperation in the region, and not as a springboard for clashes, for dictation or for tempting someone.”

Putin’s response was voiced: “We don’t expect from Greece to accomplish the exploits of Hercules, and it is unlikely that Greece will be able to clean the Augean stables of the European bureaucracy”.

Local journalists also asked how Moscow intends to improve relations with Turkey. "We also want to resume relations, we did not destroy them," Putin recalled. He added: “We are waiting for some concrete steps on their part. While they are not.

We talked about the tourist prospects. Here in Greece and Russia everything is fine. Against the background of the “closed” now Turkey and Egypt resorts of Hellas, on the contrary, are in demand among Russians. For March 2016, the number of Russian tourists there grew by 523 percent!

Some experts doubt the practical significance of Putin’s visit to Greece.

Former employee of the Russian Embassy in Greece, international journalist, editor-in-chief of the Moscow Carnegie Center website Alexander Baunov in an interview with the Russian Service "BBC" told why the president of Russia is Greece and Athos.

“The Greeks are primarily pursuing economic goals, but they cannot achieve anything from us because they cannot offer anything so concrete,” he noted.

Russia wants to come to the Greek economy, for example, to participate in the privatization of assets. Now the Greeks must "privatize a lot of things according to the plan of salvation." True, given the current sanctions, the European business (especially state-owned) Europeans do not want to let go where he has serious plans. “Therefore, there will not be any economic specifics significant, breakthrough,” the expert concluded. “It’s just that Russia does not give Greece money, because, firstly, democracy is in Greece, and secondly, Moscow perceives, however, not without reason, Greece as a country with limited sovereignty,” he added.

As for the likely blocking of the extension of sanctions by Greece, Bauen doubts this: "Athens could theoretically block sanctions because they are taken by complete consensus, but Greece will not have enough political courage to do it."

The expert also spoke about visiting Athos. “This year is the millennium of the Russian presence on Mount Athos, and the Greeks are not very fond of Russians on Mount Athos,” he noted.

"The fact is that at the end of the Romanov empire, the Russian presence on Mount Athos was so much eclipsed by all the other presence, both financially, by the number of monks, by the number of pilgrims, and by the amount of money donated from the Russian Empire to Athos, which in fact was already a Russian colony.

And the Greeks felt the excessiveness of this presence and some loss of Athos. They perceive painfully enough attempts to revive this presence, to increase its scale. ”


As a result, they are pleased with the arrival of the Orthodox president of an Orthodox country, but “the Russian presence there is not very happy about them” “Thus,” the analyst concludes, “there is the usual old diplomatic butt, Greece wants to reduce its Russian presence on Athos, and Russia wants to keep it and expand it, if possible.” This is simply an inherited question from all previous Russian governments. ”

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Analysts and experts, whose opinions about Putin’s visit to Greece on the Internet are a dime a dozen, have missed one small detail: with the example of Greece (by the way, which is far from being in a better financial position and strongly dependent in every sense on the will of supranational institutions and creditors) any EU state could make one important conclusion. From now on, Putin’s arrival is not a dangerous undertaking for which political punishment will immediately fall on the heads of the perpetrators. Moreover, the Greek media actively and worldwide transmitted news about the visit of the Russian president, and local television followed him almost relentlessly.

It would be ridiculous to talk about isolating Russia against such a background, so even the most progressive Western press somehow forgot about that word. Either the “electrical tape ended”, or the limit of propaganda was groped, beyond which half-truth turns into the most ordinary lie.

Of course, Russia still has to “butt” with Brussels and Washington, and sanctions are unlikely to be lifted this summer. And yet, Putin’s visit to the EU country showed that Russia had already emerged from that tight isolation ring that BN Obama built in 2014 in the year.

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  1. CORNET
    CORNET 30 May 2016 08: 58
    +17
    The European Union does not abandon attempts to “spray” the Holy Mountain in its anti-religious space.

    Putin nevertheless chose the right direction, faith is the cementing composition of Russia! No wonder there is such a run over to the Russian Orthodox Church, Islam and everything connected with the spiritual component of Russia .. They believe in Russia and hope in us!
    1. Finches
      Finches 30 May 2016 09: 09
      +31
      The ideas of one of the elders of the Pskov Elizarov monastery named Philotheus, summarized in the formula:"Moscow is the third Rome, and there will be no fourth" set out in a letter to Moscow Tsar Vasily III Ivanovich, as early as 1524 laid one of the cornerstones in building the Great Russian Empire and its subsequent prosperity and power, as a unifying center: the spiritual, political, economic and military of all Orthodox peoples! And this prophecy over time grew into the truth, confirmed over the next centuries! And the holy fathers of Athos, they understand this, like no other!
      1. cniza
        cniza 30 May 2016 09: 28
        +23
        Quote: CORNET
        The European Union does not abandon attempts to “spray” the Holy Mountain in its anti-religious space.

        Putin nevertheless chose the right direction, faith is the cementing composition of Russia! No wonder there is such a run over to the Russian Orthodox Church, Islam and everything connected with the spiritual component of Russia .. They believe in Russia and hope in us!


        There remains the last bastion, which can and must stop the advance of the depraved West.
        1. dauria
          dauria 30 May 2016 10: 41
          +15
          ... declaring that “loans are equal to dependence and lack of rights”.


          Write in huge letters across the country ....
        2. Valery Valery
          Valery Valery 30 May 2016 16: 05
          +4
          Not last!!! There is still me, my friends, my family, Suzdal, Kolomna, Novosibirsk, Crimea, about. Sakhalin, etc., etc. !!!
          1. D. Dan
            D. Dan 31 May 2016 08: 48
            0
            And my Russian North and I with my Family. And grandfathers are just grandfathers.
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      3. VSkilled
        VSkilled 30 May 2016 10: 07
        +9
        So, it is so ...

        Yes, only, to use the ancient church ideology against the modern sophisticated ideology of "mass consumption", it's like fighting with a bow and arrow against the SVD.

        Especially against the background of SUCH clergy, who clearly do not shy away from "worldly joys", and - well-fed "I just can't do it."

        Incidentally, last but not least, the current Church is also responsible for the fact that the people reached the boiling point in 1917.

        We need a fundamental reform.

        Personally, I, the whole crowd, lick the common spoon "for communion" - never "smiles". Be it three times silver. For, in any way: unsanitary conditions in "pure" form.

        As well as kissing, all the same crowd, someone's bones.

        And, even better - a new ideology, without any special hope for the mercy of some completely alien Jewish god.

        Sobsno, folk wisdom has recorded this in the corresponding proverbs and sayings, for example: "Trust in God, yes - do not make a mistake yourself!"

        Ideology is needed, in general - NAD-religious, like the "evil commies".

        So that no one would be offended in a multinational and multi-confessional country: neither to Christians, nor to Muslims, nor to Buddhists, nor to shamanists.

        And, in general, the picture resembles a rather crude flattery: in impoverished Greece there is no money, so the "long-maned" - all hope for the "Darkest". Therefore, the "throne" is not a pity.
        1. Mikhail Matyugin
          Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 12: 11
          -1
          Quote: VSkilled
          Personally, I, the whole crowd, lick the common spoon "for communion" - never "smiles". Be it three times silver. For, in any way: unsanitary conditions in "pure" form.

          Well, firstly, nobody personally forces you. If life does not force. But usually then it’s too late.

          But this is so - you, comrade, apparently are not Orthodox at all and have never been to church for Communion. So, no one licks the "liar". Nobody. And the priest carefully puts the Holy Gifts into the open mouth of the sacrament, without touching. Trying to lick a spoon or grab it with your lips is considered abomination.

          Quote: VSkilled
          As well as kissing, all the same crowd, someone's bones.
          Again, no one forces you to do this. RF secular state. The remains of revered saints are in temples as they were originally in burial places. In general, believers in the vast majority simply kiss the tomb or simply apply their foreheads, but not the relics of the saints themselves.
          1. xoma58
            xoma58 30 May 2016 15: 34
            -6
            It is interesting what happens if you cut off a piece from your loved one (God forbid, of course) die and put it in a box and carry it with you and kiss and apply it to the box. I think, at best, you will clatter in a psychiatric hospital or in prison. But the priests do similar things, and nothing. Yes you guys are ordinary satanists. And your main pop calls on everyone to come to terms and endure. You can’t get rid of ep, but there are priests.
            1. Heimdall47
              Heimdall47 30 May 2016 15: 52
              +3
              Quote: xoma58
              It is interesting what happens if you cut off a piece from your loved one (God forbid, of course) die and put it in a box and carry it with you and kiss and apply it to the box. I think, at best, you will clatter in a psychiatric hospital or in prison. But the priests do similar things, and nothing. Yes you guys are ordinary satanists. And your main pop calls on everyone to come to terms and endure. You can’t get rid of ep, but there are priests.

              The brain of beloved comrade Lenin was cut out and sent to another place. And Ilyich himself - why not power? Is this the Communists thundered in a psychiatric hospital? No - but it would be necessary.
              In the atheistic West, the corpse of a native person is burned and the ashes are pressed into a diamond. And they put it on a finger.
              So you - atheists and communists, have long surpassed all the priests. Only in your eye do you not see logs.
              1. xoma58
                xoma58 30 May 2016 15: 57
                -6
                Yes, I'm not a communist and not an atheist. So look for a log in yourself.
                1. Heimdall47
                  Heimdall47 30 May 2016 16: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: xoma58
                  log

                  And who, though, is an agnostic or a pagan? smile
                  1. xoma58
                    xoma58 30 May 2016 17: 42
                    -1
                    Who I am is not important. And here you are a regular selling troll.
                    1. Heimdall47
                      Heimdall47 30 May 2016 21: 13
                      -3
                      Quote: xoma58
                      Who I am is not important. And here you are a regular selling troll.

                      Still, I would like to know - have you already expressed your indignation to the Communists about the relics of Vladimir Ilyich? How many years people were taken to this fall, their heads fooled. Or are you only interested in priests? smile
                2. ioann1
                  ioann1 30 May 2016 17: 00
                  -3
                  May Christ forbid!
            2. ioann1
              ioann1 30 May 2016 16: 58
              +1
              I think, at best, you will be thrown into a psychiatric hospital or prison. But the priests do similar things, and nothing. (C) Can you clarify what the similar "priests" do?
              1. xoma58
                xoma58 30 May 2016 17: 44
                +1
                Judging by the nickname with modesty you have a problem. So think at least.
            3. D. Dan
              D. Dan 31 May 2016 08: 52
              -1
              Minus you, see what religious fervor has awakened
              1. D. Dan
                D. Dan 31 May 2016 09: 31
                0
                Oh, I said minus goes? And for what, ROBOTS ???
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 30 May 2016 13: 24
          +2
          God is not Jewish, German, Russian and Chukchi. All kinds of fantasies of people do not have much significance. HE is God! Everyone honors him as best he can, and otherwise honors Satan.
          1. Heimdall47
            Heimdall47 30 May 2016 14: 13
            +2
            Quote: housewife
            God is not Jewish, German, Russian and Chukchi. All kinds of fantasies of people do not have much significance. HE is God! Everyone honors him as best he can, and otherwise honors Satan.

            The main thing here is not to confuse. And with your approach, it will certainly happen.
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 30 May 2016 23: 12
              -1
              Who to confuse with whom? God is one. Does not mean that every spirit, good or evil, that someone has declared to be a god, he is. I have a fire on my avatar. Who does not understand - the Eternal Flame on Heroes' Square in the hero city of Novorossiysk. This is a symbol of the memory of heroism in the name of life. I don’t worship him. This is how you can declare each candle a symbol of hell. Every object and every word has exactly the meaning that a person gives to it. I don't have to know who worships what, I know about myself. It's like hanging a portrait of a loved one on the wall. Doesn't mean that I worship this portrait. However, if someone tries to humiliate the portrait in some way, I will take it as a personal insult, although this is not an icon, but just a portrait. I think every normal person has such feelings.By the way, many things that are attributed to Orthodoxy are not Orthodoxy. For example, icons. There is a veneration of icons. But many turn them into icon-worship. Also with relics. I am Orthodox, and I venerate icons, but I do not worship. How many I spoke to different people - the answer is one. "That's how our grandmothers taught us." Unfortunately, individual priests sometimes carry pure heresy. Well, everyone will answer for himself. Examples of pagan sacrifices are already tired, as are pseudo-Christians like the conquistadors. wolves in sheep's clothing. Sacrifices were forbidden, and people themselves were destroyed. Of course, they have one god - the devil. Some actually acted only from profit, others sincerely believed, so this is fanaticism, a kind of madness. Normal people understood all this in their subconscious, but they were silent, because you can't argue against force.
              1. Mikhail Matyugin
                Mikhail Matyugin 31 May 2016 00: 07
                +3
                Quote: housewife
                I don’t worship him. You can declare every candle a symbol of hell.
                From a Christian point of view, eternal flame can only be in one place. And you - worship the altars of the eternal flame, from a Christian point of view - and nothing else. What is Satanism or Zoroastrianism - your choice.

                Quote: housewife
                Every object and every word has exactly the meaning that a person gives it.
                Certain objects have a mystical meaning without the will or will of man.

                Quote: housewife
                There is a veneration of icons. But many turn them into icon-worship. Also with relics. I am Orthodox, and I venerate icons, but I do not worship. How many I spoke to different people - the answer is one. "That's how our grandmothers taught us."
                I wonder what the difference is.

                Quote: housewife
                pseudo-Christians, like the conquistadors. wolves in sheep's clothing. Sacrifices were forbidden, and people themselves were destroyed. Of course, they have one god - the devil.
                An interesting opinion, extremely widespread, that's just a pity - erroneous.
                Well, I'm not asking you to talk to the Indians of the New World themselves and find out THEIR opinion about the period of Spanish rule, this is beyond the reach of the majority. Believe me, you will be amazed at many "wonderful discoveries". fellow

                But at least you can read something other than Soviet literature after all?

                And I will ask you, dear Housewife, a simple question - are you Orthodox as you said yourself?
                So they should read the Holy Prophet Elijah ?!
                So - it will probably be a revelation for you, but this holy prophet in one day, with God's help, organized the murder of 450 "priests of Baal" who were banally cut by God's supporters.
                That's how the Spaniards in the New World were guided by precisely this and other similar examples belonged to the Aztec priests and preachers of bloody cults.
                1. a housewife
                  a housewife 31 May 2016 01: 19
                  -1
                  Well, maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t read the Old Testament, it is more interesting to me from a historical point of view. He is full of wars and all kinds of showdowns, an eye for an eye worked. And again there was more politics than anything else. Who will be the king, who will conquer the earth and collect taxes. I absolutely agree - the same as the conquistadors. And many saints are declared as such for specific acts, rarely for a completely righteous life. For example, Abraham. This is an extra argument for the fact that the truth is written there, otherwise it would have been nicely embellished over the centuries. The same Ilya was chilling in earnest after the reprisal. He ran away and before God filed and made excuses - For you, God tried! In general, the Old Testament ended with the coming of Christ.
              2. D. Dan
                D. Dan 31 May 2016 08: 53
                -1
                This is not just a "fire" It is a natural Cult Fire, Perunov, the Father of Warriors. All elements - guards with weapons and the ground with the ashes of the Warriors rises. Pts I respect this symbol.
          2. Mikhail Matyugin
            Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 16: 39
            -3
            Quote: housewife
            God is not Jewish, German, Russian and Chukchi.
            Hm. God is alone. But only under him disguises a huge variety of fallen spirits.

            Or do you think that, for example, the ancient Aztecs, who made human sacrifices to their god, and the Spanish conquistadors, who liberated the local tribes of the New World from their power, worshiped the Holy Trinity and forbade human sacrifice, worshiped one god?


            By the way, what is depicted on your avatar is either the altar of the Zoroastrians, or a direct symbol of the hellish flame. From a Christian point of view - nothing else.
            1. Al1977
              Al1977 30 May 2016 17: 03
              +3
              Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
              Hm. God is alone.

              Who told you this? Is he personally? Such peremptory ... Maybe present the evidence ???? I now believe in Zeus and the goddess Aphrodite. And everyone who lives on Mount Olympus. And you insult the feelings of those who believe in them.
              1. Heimdall47
                Heimdall47 30 May 2016 17: 11
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                Quote: Al1977
                Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
                Hm. God is alone.

                Who told you this? Is he personally? Such peremptory ... Maybe present the evidence ???? I now believe in Zeus and the goddess Aphrodite. And everyone who lives on Mount Olympus. And you insult the feelings of those who believe in them.

                Unified fundamental mathematical, physical, chemical, etc. laws of being speak about this. On which life on planet Earth rests. It is understandable that they are based on a single will and reason.
                1. Al1977
                  Al1977 31 May 2016 10: 41
                  0
                  Quote: Heimdall47
                  Unified fundamental mathematical, physical, chemical, etc. laws of being speak about this.

                  Strange, he finished MISIS, they didn’t tell us about it there. Where did you study?
                  1. Heimdall47
                    Heimdall47 31 May 2016 11: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Al1977
                    Where did you study?

                    Are we that? Yes, practically nowhere - they kicked out after elementary school for poor progress smile I go, I collect bottles this year laughing
                    Quote: Al1977
                    Strange, he finished MISIS, they didn’t tell us about it there.

                    What exactly did not say - that the vast majority of species has a similar body structure and principles of existence? Cows drink water and chickens drink it. And they could have sulfuric acid by the way.
                    What are the unified laws behind all natural phenomena, that everything is calculated and proved using the mathematical apparatus? That all are affected by the uniform gravity of the Earth at last.
                    Of course, in order to comprehend all this, MISIS can not do.
                    To implement any complex project, there must be a boss who coordinates and directs everything. Otherwise, any design will become cancer as a result. It’s not necessary to say for sure that our Universe is an extremely complex interconnected mechanism.
                    1. Al1977
                      Al1977 31 May 2016 12: 24
                      -2
                      Quote: Heimdall47
                      What exactly did not say - that the vast majority of species has a similar body structure and principles of existence? Cows drink water and chickens drink it. And they could have sulfuric acid by the way.

                      This is all clear, but what is divine about it? Is cows drinking water? Based on this, do you believe in one God? We, at the institute, were taught to believe the facts. And all that you use at home, people invented and made with their own hands, and not divine power. Why did you decide that we are not controlled by aliens from alpha centaurs through telepathy? And what are we the product of their experiments? Why THIS theory is worse than God.
                      GOD is with you, believe even in Krishna, even in a cow drinking water. Good luck.
                      1. Heimdall47
                        Heimdall47 31 May 2016 12: 40
                        -1
                        Quote: Al1977
                        And all that you use at home, people invented and made with their own hands, and not divine power.

                        They didn’t do anything — they adapted to the existing laws of the universe.
                        If I figured out the internal combustion engine and can even fix it sometimes, it does not mean that there is no designer of this engine and it is not needed. Only I showed some ingenuity.
                        But only.
                        Why did you decide that we are not controlled by aliens from alpha centaurs through telepathy? And what are we the product of their experiments? Why THIS theory is worse than God.

                        This theory has a right to life. Here everyone makes their own subjective decision. I studied the Bible and came to the conclusion that this theory is the most logical, thought out and comprehensive. Blood rivers were spilled for her, and everything that stands on blood is solid and arouses respect. Show me a work equal to the Bible and the books of the Church Fathers, who also puts everything on the shelves. Alpha Centauri Speak? Let's give this theory to the table - read, decompose.
                        But you don’t have a fig constructive. One idleness and criticism. But just about what happens, run to the same church - to baptize, hallow Easter cakes, etc.
              2. Mikhail Matyugin
                Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 18: 49
                0
                Quote: Al1977
                I now believe in Zeus and the goddess Aphrodite. And everyone who lives on Mount Olympus. And you insult the feelings of those who believe in them.

                Are we, in the Russian Federation, the traditional religion of the indigenous population is the Hellenic pagan myths? Hmm, I didn’t.
                1. bastard
                  bastard 30 May 2016 20: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: Mikhail Matyugin

                  Quote: Al1977
                  I now believe in Zeus and the goddess Aphrodite. And everyone who lives on Mount Olympus. And you insult the feelings of those who believe in them.
                  Mikhail Matyugin:
                  Are we, in the Russian Federation, the traditional religion of the indigenous population is the Hellenic pagan myths? Hmm, I didn’t.

                  As I understand it, do you consider Christianity, which came (?) From the Middle East to Europe, and from there to us, originally the local religious creed? Hmm, I didn’t. belay
                  1. Mikhail Matyugin
                    Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 23: 45
                    0
                    Quote: villain
                    e Christianity, which came (?) from the Middle East to Europe, and from there to us, the original local religious creed?

                    During 2000, including Crimea, and for 1200 years without Crimea, Christianity became a traditional religion in Russia. Don't you like it? Yes please ! Only this is legally confirmed by the laws of the Russian Federation.
                    1. D. Dan
                      D. Dan 31 May 2016 09: 01
                      +1
                      But you never know their confirmed religions, in general, then read the constitution, Russia is a secular state.
                  2. D. Dan
                    D. Dan 31 May 2016 09: 00
                    +1
                    The Greek, Byzantine faith imposed on the Russians, which, two hundred years after this, killed and corrupted our original beliefs, continues to lie to this day.
              3. a housewife
                a housewife 30 May 2016 23: 30
                0
                The Apostle Paul, having arrived in Athens, visited the sacred places. And he said to the Greeks: "Passing and inspecting your shrines, I also found an altar on which it is written:" To an unknown God. "This is something Whom you, not knowing, honor, I preach to you." I think this is my personal opinion, I do not pretend to be true, but I think THAT. Satan divides people and fools his head. People, expelled from the Garden of Eden, have forgotten God, but angels and demons have been elevated to the rank of gods. And there are a myriad of them. It is interesting that among the North American Indians, God is the Great Manitou, who created everything, and man, and the rest are not gods, but spirits, evil and good.
                1. D. Dan
                  D. Dan 31 May 2016 09: 03
                  0
                  your "Satan" divides only those with whom he lives in their heads. He has no control over others.
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        4. navigator
          navigator 30 May 2016 14: 16
          +2
          Quote: VSkilled
          therefore, the "Long-Maned" - all hope for the "Darkest". Therefore, the "throne" is not a pity


          How many nonsense and bile in one post.
          Give at least ONE example of infection, when “with the whole crowd, lick the common spoon” for communion. ”As for the proverbs, I’ll give a few more especially for the guy from the steppe.
          "Without God, not to the threshold, but with God even beyond the sea", "Whoever did not walk in the sea, he did not maltreat to God", "Why a person is bad, from the fact that he forgets that God is above him"
        5. D. Dan
          D. Dan 31 May 2016 08: 50
          0
          Well said, I don’t see to this day I am the church pillar of state building. Putin, of course, was given by the presumptuous president, but he puts on the beaten card.
          1. navigator
            navigator 31 May 2016 09: 04
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            Quote: D. Dan
            Putin, of course, was given by the presumptuous president, but he puts on the beaten card.


            We must advise Vladimir Vladimirovich D. Dan to ask how to steer the country.
      4. ioann1
        ioann1 30 May 2016 16: 49
        0
        If we are talking about confronting the Catholic heresy at the beginning of the 16th century, then Tsar Vasily III was able to resist this and multiply the Orthodox faith. For your information, the Saints in Orthodoxy are only in Heaven. And on earth, only the Latins have holy fathers in Catholicism. They are all "sinless" there, and the Pope replaces Christ ... Therefore, in our time there is an attack on Orthodoxy in order to unite all the Local Churches under the leadership of the Pope, who is the first in honor.
        In connection with the upcoming cathedral in Crete, not only Catholic Jesuit orders, but also American special services, which landed their assault on Crete, became more active.
        Athos monks pray for Putin and Russia, but we should not rest on our laurels!
    2. Blondy
      Blondy 30 May 2016 09: 17
      +4
      Quote: CORNET
      No wonder there is such a run over to the Russian Orthodox Church,

      Of course, not in vain, one should not confuse religion with church. And since pre-revolutionary times, the ROC has been visited more than once and for good reason. "We are all servants of God, do not be overwhelmed by pride, strive for the spiritual, not the material." And where is "Do not make yourself an idol, drive out the slave from your soul and go to God?" That is, God does not need slaves, and people with dignity should come to God.
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 30 May 2016 10: 03
        +1
        Quote: Blondy
        And where is "Do not create an idol for yourself, drive out the slave from your soul and go to God?" That is, God does not need slaves, and people with dignity should come to God.

        And this is how it turns out ... There is no "idol in the soul and a slave too .." Communist education works, but there is faith in the depths of my soul (I was baptized already in adulthood ..) I can compare and analyze the spiritual and ideological component of life in Russia ... I can't explain it to you exactly, but something is happening in my soul (watching all this chaos in the world ..) Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers (when they died en masse) knew something, for what and why! Here's something like this ... hi
      2. avva2012
        avva2012 30 May 2016 10: 21
        +7
        Quote: Blondy God does not need slaves, but people with dignity should come to God.

        Actually, pride is a mortal sin. "Servant of God" is self-esteem. To bow your head only before God, not everyone in life is given.
      3. Volzhanin
        Volzhanin 30 May 2016 12: 54
        0
        The main thing is not to confuse religion / church and FAITH!
        Then much will fall into place.
        1. navigator
          navigator 30 May 2016 15: 18
          +1
          Quote: Volzhanin
          The main thing is not to confuse religion / church and FAITH!


          Quite the opposite: "To whom the Church is not a mother, to him God is not a Father" - St. Cyprian.
          1. D. Dan
            D. Dan 31 May 2016 09: 07
            -2
            From the same opera "there is no salvation outside the church", like that, friends. He who does not go to drink blood and eat flesh, and does not wear the image of the murdered man on his chest, is not a person at all.
            1. navigator
              navigator 31 May 2016 10: 30
              +3
              Quote: D. Dan
              From the same opera "there is no salvation outside the church", like that, friends. He who does not go to drink blood and eat flesh, and does not wear the image of the murdered man on his chest, is not a person at all.


              You only know how to juggle. "No salvation" does not mean that the dying monsters. Answer your words, opera lover.
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      4. Heimdall47
        Heimdall47 30 May 2016 14: 28
        0
        Quote: Blondy

        Of course, not in vain, do not confuse religion with the church.

        Teach - how to distinguish between religion and church? What are the definitions of these concepts?
        "Do not make yourself an idol, drive out the slave from your soul and go to God?

        This is from what manuscript is taken?
      5. ioann1
        ioann1 30 May 2016 17: 06
        +1
        Quote: Blondy
        Quote: CORNET
        No wonder there is such a run over to the Russian Orthodox Church,

        Of course, not in vain, one should not confuse religion with church. And since pre-revolutionary times, the ROC has been visited more than once and for good reason. "We are all servants of God, do not be overwhelmed by pride, strive for the spiritual, not the material." And where is "Do not make yourself an idol, drive out the slave from your soul and go to God?" That is, God does not need slaves, and people with dignity should come to God.

        with a sense of self-esteem, the angel Dannitsa came forward, but for the displayed call to God he was cursed and cast down into hell. His name is the devil, and the host of his angels was also cursed and called demons.
        But for a person far from the Church, such concepts have little to say.
        1. bastard
          bastard 30 May 2016 21: 09
          +1
          Quote: ioann1
          with a sense of self-esteem, the angel Dannitsa came forward, but for the displayed call to God he was cursed and cast down into hell.

          This is called tyranny.

          navigator:
          Quite the opposite: "To whom the Church is not a mother, to him God is not a Father" - St. Cyprian.

          The spirit of slavery lies in the idol and in the Kaaba,
          Chime of bells - language of humility slave,
          And slavery black seal lies equally
          On the rosary and cross, on the church and mihrab.
          O. Khayyam

          If a mill, a bath, a luxurious palace
          Receives a scoundrel as a gift,
          A worthy goes into bondage because of bread -
          I do not care about your justice, creator!
          He also

          Take away the Christian’s fear of hell and you will take away his faith.
          D. Didro
          1. navigator
            navigator 30 May 2016 21: 29
            0
            Quote: villain
            Take away the Christian’s fear of hell and you will take away his faith. Didro


            Not authority. Few people spit on anyone, who wrote what, the paper will endure everything. Besides, the character with such a nickname should not be answered.
            1. bastard
              bastard 30 May 2016 22: 18
              0
              Quote: villain
              Take away the Christian’s fear of hell and you will take away his faith. Didro

              Quote: navigator
              Not authority.

              Nothing, nothing happens. Sterligov influenced? At my previous place of work, a Baptist, recently admitted to their community, was working with me, because it was impossible to talk to him, since he had not read anything besides the Bible and believed that the most correct description of the structure of the world was described in the scriptures, i.e. The earth is flat and is located in the center of the universe and other nonsense about crystal skies, about the music of heavenly spheres (true, this is from Aristotle, but he did not read it, because Aristotle is an atheist), about the revolution of the Sun around the Earth, they say, this is obvious, etc. n. All this he spun to me with the joy of a neophyte, well, it should be so. But he used a mobile phone (this is from the evil one!), And drove smoky and stinking "Zhiguli" (hellish car).
              How he managed to finish vocational school - I can’t imagine. The welder. I must say, they asked him from that job, since he knew how to cook only horizontal seams.
              Quote: navigator
              . Few who spit in anyone, who wrote what, the paper will endure everything.

              The same applies to your favorite book. Alas!
              Quote: navigator
              In addition, a character with such a nickname should not be answered.

              Please do not reply. Anyway, I don’t get constructive dialogue with believers.
              Best wishes to you! hi
              PES:
              We read prayers, danced with a tambourine, cast spells - it does not work. Until I myself got behind the machine and turned a nut.
              1. a housewife
                a housewife 30 May 2016 23: 48
                +2
                Dear Wretch (Hmm, a combination). Here I am a believer, I agree with you and disagree. Is it really so impossible to talk to me? As for the believers who have not read anything but the Bible, there are also those who rob themselves. Whether he is a Baptist - and who knows, there are many of them divorced, for an ordinary person they are all Baptists. As for the structure of the world according to the Bible - honestly, there is nothing like a flat Earth, as well as three whales, turtles, etc. no. On the contrary, and this is amazing, it is said that the Lord suspended the Earth "on nothing." Mention is made of the greenhouse effect ("steam rose from the face of the earth and irrigated everything"), the water cycle in nature, and many other interesting things. And praying for the nut to be turned is funny, she appreciated the joke. But before work, it is normal to pray for the day to pass safely. One doctor told me - "every time before work I pray so as not to harm anyone by accident."
                1. Mikhail Matyugin
                  Mikhail Matyugin 31 May 2016 00: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: housewife
                  As for the structure of the world according to the Bible - honestly, there is nothing like a flat Earth, as well as three whales, turtles, etc. no. On the contrary, and this is amazing, it is said that the Lord suspended the Earth "on nothing."

                  It's nice to read the words of a person who knows the Bible. Indeed, this is still a long-standing Soviet tradition - ravings of pagans of India or Basriy Muslims are taken - and are passed off as the opinion of Christian theologians, and supposedly based on both Testaments!
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              3. navigator
                navigator 31 May 2016 08: 23
                0
                Quote: villain
                Please do not reply. Anyway, I don’t get constructive dialogue with believers. All the best to you! Es: We said prayers, danced with a tambourine, cast spells - it does not work. Until I myself got behind the machine and turned a nut.


                What kind of conversations does a scoundrel have with believers if they use insults and distortions? It seems to me that it doesn’t work out with unbelievers too, did they run around with a tambourine to get a nut? , which was written even not worth talking. Confused God's gift with fried eggs.
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          3. Mikhail Matyugin
            Mikhail Matyugin 31 May 2016 00: 14
            0
            By the way, you reason like a typical Zindik, Mazdaki, Manichaean, etc. - which, incidentally, was Omar Khayyam, by the way.
      6. navigator
        navigator 30 May 2016 20: 01
        0
        Quote: Blondy
        And where is "Do not make yourself an idol, drive out the slave from your soul and go to God?"


        Why commandment to misinterpret. Which slave to expel and where to go? Have you invented yourself?

        2nd commandment: “Do not make yourself an idol, and any kind of likeness, a spruce in the heavens of a mountain, and a spruce on the earth below, and a spruce in the waters below the earth: may you not bow to them, nor serve them”



        Quote: Blondy
        That is, God does not need slaves, but people with dignity should come to God.



        God needs the humble, not "with dignity." You confused.
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 30 May 2016 10: 11
      +8
      What misery and shame these "EP bride"! It turns out that there are no worthy people in Russia? There are, of course, honest people! But they do not want to go to United Russia, as well as to the Russian decorative parliament. The system needs to be changed!
      1. D. Dan
        D. Dan 31 May 2016 09: 08
        +1
        Wai maladtsa!
    5. starshina78
      starshina78 30 May 2016 12: 25
      +1
      At a time when religion in the West turned into a laughing stock (marriage of same-sex marriages, approval of other perversions), and when the Western flock stops going to church and believe in God, Orthodoxy and Islam (in Russia) are exactly what Russia does not allow openly profess debauchery. If you look at the service in any church or mosque in Russia, you can see a large number of young people who came to church not because it is fashionable, but pray. And the President is right that the Church does not move away, works with representatives of all religions of Russia. because it unites the nation. I'm not talking about liberalists. He himself is not a brother.
    6. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 30 May 2016 12: 52
      0
      Faith - yes. But not religion. True believers in the country 10% - percent (you can argue for the exact number, but the fact that it is relatively small, no doubt). Betting on it is reckless. The Russian people quite clearly showed their attitude to Christianity and the ROC in 1917 and subsequent years.
      The genetic code that has developed over many millennia simply does not allow the Slavs to sincerely believe in an incomprehensible Jewish God. The Slavs considered themselves children of God (and the Sun), but not slaves at all. And praised the LAW! And even the term ORTHODOX Nikon privatized is understandable for what. In fact, the process of Christianization of the Slavs lasted until the end of the 19th century. This process was bloody and cruel. Numerous written testimonies leave no illusions about this. According to the works of the same A.S. Pushkin quite clearly and convincingly shows the attitude of the Slavs to priests, etc. There are many such written testimonies. Putin is adequate enough not to know or understand that the Russian Orthodox Church is just one of many small bonds, but not a dominant one.
      1. Mikhail Matyugin
        Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 16: 44
        -1
        Quote: Volzhanin
        Putin is adequate enough not to know or understand that the Russian Orthodox Church is just one of many small bonds, but not a dominant one.

        You really think our President is such a narrow-minded person who does not know about Stalin's experience - who, being the ruler of a state where atheism was declared the official "religion", the bitter experience of 1941-42. realized that without the revival of Christianity there will be no victory?
        1. Petr petrov
          Petr petrov 31 May 2016 19: 31
          +1
          What is it like!!!!!!
          How revived !!!!!
    7. Uncle
      Uncle 30 May 2016 12: 54
      0
      Quote: CORNET
      Islam and everything related to the spiritual component of Russia.

      Fortunately, we have a different Islam, without explosions, executions, such a "home" version. And they want to make him radical.
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 30 May 2016 13: 04
        0
        Quote: Uncle Fortunately, we have a different Islam, without explosions, executions, such a "home" version. And they want to make him radical.

        Fortunately, our Muslims do not live close to the Protestants and Catholics of Europe. And then they would quickly radicalize. hi
    8. Al1977
      Al1977 30 May 2016 16: 54
      +3
      Quote: CORNET
      No wonder there is such a run over to the Russian Orthodox Church,

      Do not distort !!! Hitting the gentlemen Gundyaev and his hangers-on, who bathe in money, have chic apartments, cars and other attributes of the capitalist luxury. This has nothing to do with faith. And to hide behind this is spirituality.
    9. ioann1
      ioann1 30 May 2016 17: 09
      +2
      Quote: CORNET
      The European Union does not abandon attempts to “spray” the Holy Mountain in its anti-religious space.

      Putin nevertheless chose the right direction, faith is the cementing composition of Russia! No wonder there is such a run over to the Russian Orthodox Church, Islam and everything connected with the spiritual component of Russia .. They believe in Russia and hope in us!

      Since when has Islam been the spiritual foundation of Russia?
      1. Rarog
        Rarog 30 May 2016 18: 18
        0
        Can't you see how they persistently impose it on us ?! These "cornets" will say whatever they want just to replace Orthodoxy, even Islam, even liberalism ...
        1. Al1977
          Al1977 31 May 2016 10: 32
          -2
          Quote: Rarog
          Can't you see how they persistently impose it on us ?! These "cornets" will say whatever they want just to replace Orthodoxy, even Islam, even liberalism ...

          Who! Surnames, facts in the studio. Go to Chechnya and say so. At least one wise guy here will be less.
        2. Al1977
          Al1977 31 May 2016 10: 33
          -1
          Quote: Rarog
          Can't you see how they persistently impose it on us ?! These "cornets" will say whatever they want just to replace Orthodoxy, even Islam, even liberalism ...

          Who! Surnames, facts in the studio. Go to Chechnya and say so. At least one wise guy here will be less.
    10. Oorfene Deuce
      Oorfene Deuce 30 May 2016 17: 35
      +2
      Quote: CORNET
      Putin still chose the right direction

      Holy Mount Athos is in many ways a source of moral principles of society - from the article.
      Well, finally, I decided ... iPhone, to blame ... Athos!
    11. Petr petrov
      Petr petrov 31 May 2016 19: 24
      +1
      No way in the Byzantine kings marks !!!!!

      (((for example, the Monastery of Costamonite, who stated that “loans are equal to dependence and lack of rights”.)))
      However, the monks, better than our figures, think in finances !!!!!!
  2. 31rus2
    31rus2 30 May 2016 09: 00
    +5
    Dear, alas, Greece is not able to influence the EU policy, and no one will listen to it, but that is the essence of starting from the "weak link", there are other common topics, this is Turkey, it is a pity that the Greek leadership in position and wants and pricks, and the second dominates
    1. user3970
      user3970 31 May 2016 10: 21
      +1
      Dear 31rus2. Stop mocking the Russian language!
  3. polite people
    polite people 30 May 2016 09: 03
    +4
    The spiritual component of man is the Fear of God. If a person has it, there are many chances that he will not behave like cattle. Because he understands that he does not live alone in this world. An example of the opposite is Ukraine. The complete lack thereof. It is clearly seen what a person is capable of when he does not have the Fear of God.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 30 May 2016 12: 20
      +2
      Quote: polite people
      The spiritual component of man is the Fear of God. If a person has it, there are many chances that he will not behave like cattle. Because he understands that he does not live alone in this world. An example of the opposite is Ukraine. The complete lack thereof. It is clearly seen what a person is capable of when he does not have the Fear of God.


      Fear of God, speak? But not all outstanding religious figures agree with you. For example, the book of the Dalai Lama “Beyond Religion. Ethics for the Whole World ”, which he published in 2011 and in which he claims that religion alone cannot provide a safe solution to world difficulties. “Any religion-based solution to the problem of our neglect of inner values ​​can never be universal, and, accordingly, will be inappropriate. What we need today is an approach to ethics that does not turn to religion for help and can be equally acceptable for both believers and unbelievers: this is secular ethics. ”
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 30 May 2016 13: 00
        -1
        Quote: Stock Officer For example, the book of the Dalai Lama “Beyond Religion. Ethics for the Whole World

        Here is an example, in my opinion, of a dissident’s reasoning. The game of politics is not good even for spiritual leaders. Although of course, not for me to evaluate.
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 30 May 2016 19: 02
          +5
          Alexander, your comment is indicative. Instead of understanding, it's easier to label.
          It is secular ethics, not some religion. Reread the quote again.
          Remember the relationship in the USSR. Kinder, spiritual and moral than now. Although now they have given the whole television channel to Orthodoxy, but on Muslim holidays I’m blocking the main streets near mosques.
          I am an atheist, in my environment there are Jews and Muslims (the best friend is Lezgin, Dagestan) and Orthodox. So - intolerance can be traced precisely in their judgments. And according to current laws, there is responsibility for insulting the feelings of believers. And for an insult to my feelings, for imposing on me and millions of atheists an alien way of thinking, where is the responsibility?
          Now a tremendous bias in the perception of religion is already one thing that on all holidays I see the first persons of the state, in the past members of the CPSU, who are baptized passionately, cause rejection in me. This is false. That is not faith. And about moral precepts here in general there is no speech.
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 31 May 2016 00: 01
            +3
            Quote: Reserve officer
            I am an atheist, in my environment there are Jews and Muslims (the best friend is Lezgin, Dagestan) and Orthodox. So - intolerance can be traced precisely in their judgments. And according to current laws, there is responsibility for insulting the feelings of believers. And for an insult to my feelings, for imposing on me and millions of atheists an alien way of thinking, where is the responsibility?

            Colleague, you are not alone. I hope that during our lifetime we will not have to "partisan" through sewers and other underground utilities, humming in a whisper: "We are the children of the galaxy ..." and "... we were baptized with a star ..." We will fight back somehow. hi
            Quote: Reserve officer
            Now a tremendous bias in the perception of religion is already one thing that on all holidays I see the first persons of the state, in the past members of the CPSU, who are baptized passionately, cause rejection in me. This is false. That is not faith. And about moral precepts here in general there is no speech.

            This topic was raised here, at VO, not so long ago. I will only repeat that all this fuss began with the collapse of the USSR, in the 90s. It was then that a crowd of atheists who had suddenly "recovered their sight" rushed into the church. Someone - "to atone for sins", others - "to renounce worldly suffering", others - to "be in trend" ... Yes, paradoxically, but under Soviet Power, people going to church were more natural, more sincere in expressing their feelings. This is the look of an uninterested person, from the side, so to speak ... an uninterested person by the name of ... Afonsky. hi Sometimes it happens.
    2. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 30 May 2016 13: 05
      +8
      What nonsense? In the USSR, no one especially felt the fear of God (except true believers), but the Soviet people (up to a certain point) were spiritually richer, kinder, more moral, cultural and cleaner than in the pre-and post-Soviet periods.
      Not necessarily universal values ​​(do not steal, do not kill, do not offend, do not lie, etc. - there are much more of them than in the Bible) should be the prerogative of some religion. They are universal. These installations always ruled the world, otherwise the people would not differ from cattle.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 30 May 2016 13: 37
        -1
        How would you more clearly explain ... The fear of God is not a fear of God. Do you have a mom? Are you afraid to offend her? Or are you afraid of mom? People who are afraid to do some evil and abomination have the Fear of God. Sometimes they themselves do not suspect this. And religion has nothing to do with it. Religion is a collection of external, visual actions, ceremonies, objects, clothes. You can carefully observe all this and not have Faith - before God it is a complete zero. But if there is Faith, while a person observes religiosity - one corresponds to the other, a person lives in harmony. Well, people who like believers like to externally express their ideas about the Divine. The main thing is that these concepts do not offend people of another religion. Unfortunately, not very educated people often think that their rituals are EVERYTHING. Politicians play on this, because of this you can set people against each other, incite hatred. Does God Approve?
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  4. Putinets
    Putinets 30 May 2016 09: 06
    +10
    Former employee of the Russian embassy in Greece, international journalist, editor-in-chief of the Carnegie Moscow Center website, Alexander Baunov, told the Russian BBC service why the President of Russia Greece and Athos

    Another "employee" Fashington "cuckoo about what Russia needs and what not.
    I wonder how much more time it takes for the word "liberal" and "Yeltsinist" to be equated with swearing?
  5. Scout
    Scout 30 May 2016 09: 13
    +17
    The throne of the Byzantine emperors is busy, and this is the main thing.
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 30 May 2016 09: 57
      +7
      The throne of the Byzantine emperors is busy, and this is the main thing.

      by the way YESA very transparent hint for everyone with eyes to see.
  6. avva2012
    avva2012 30 May 2016 09: 15
    +2
    A visit to Greece for the President, apparently, is like a vacation. I went, admired the beauty, breathed in the fresh sea air. The country is under full control, what is there to deceive others.
  7. Engineer
    Engineer 30 May 2016 09: 15
    +21
    It is not right to replace the absence of the ideology of the state with religion, and state ideology is forbidden in our country by the Yeltsin constitution, if anyone does not know. We have at least 25% of the population of atheists and supporters of another religion. Therefore, the imposition of such an ideology on the state is extremely wrong. Faith, religion is an independent choice of each person. Ideology is the goal of the existence and development of the state. These are completely different things.
    1. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 30 May 2016 13: 09
      +1
      Only not nearly 25%, but SIGNIFICANTLY MUCH more. You won’t find exact numbers anywhere, but indirectly you can get them by expert means. A better look around and count, estimate.
  8. Berber
    Berber 30 May 2016 09: 16
    +7
    It is unfortunate that politics is doing dirty things here too. The main task of Western politicians is to divide us. And already divided, it is easier to defeat us. Partly they succeeded - it is a separate Ukraine and Georgia. I really hope that someday this process will be able to start reversing. Putin’s visit to Mount Athos is a reminder to everyone that we are still an Orthodox nation.
    1. cap
      cap 30 May 2016 10: 53
      +5
      Quote: BerBer
      Putin’s visit to Mount Athos is a reminder to everyone that we are still an Orthodox nation.


      I also took this trip, in this perspective.
      The fall of Europe is brought from beyond the "sea of ​​okiyana" - this is a hint to "partners" and their henchmen,
      "God, Faith and Fatherland are with us," and therefore we cannot be defeated.
      That something like this.
  9. Karasik
    Karasik 30 May 2016 09: 17
    +1
    "Loans are equal dependence and lack of rights."

    You can’t say better!
    From now on, Putin’s arrival is not a dangerous event for which political punishment will immediately fall on the heads of those guilty ... Talking about isolating Russia against such a background would be ridiculous ...

    The process of "sobering up" of Western society is underway, but only overseas, someone is asleep and sees how to "offer beer to Sharikov."
  10. Putinets
    Putinets 30 May 2016 09: 18
    +7
    Quote: Kukaner
    Stop washing eyes with church banners

    And where does the Church?
    Is this the Church and Kirill personally raised Medvedev?
    Or should some uncle be responsible for everything in the country, and not the performer personally?
    Medvedev is one of those believers who are baptized with one hand and the back of the head are handed out. Standing in the service does not mean being a believing member of the Church.
  11. megafair
    megafair 30 May 2016 09: 21
    +8
    We do not expect from Greece the achievement of Heracles, and it is unlikely that Greece will be able to clear the Augean stables of the European bureaucracy


    To pin it so subtly, this is a talent :) only in relation to Greece, after they had forced themselves under the EU and did not begin to return their currency, after that - everything else "Sisyphus labor" ...
    1. ruAlex
      ruAlex 30 May 2016 10: 33
      +3
      I also liked this answer of Putin about Heracles and the Augean stables, briefly and succinctly and everyone understood everything. Only he can.
    2. dauria
      dauria 30 May 2016 10: 58
      +3
      So thinly pin up, this is talent :)


      wink There "image makers" do not receive money in vain ... Do not be naive.

      "I told her one of those phrases that everyone should have prepared for such a case" M.Yu. Lermontov.
  12. ava09
    ava09 30 May 2016 09: 34
    +4
    Do many people still think that, as V. Solovyov said (c) Our Jewish ancestors came to the territory of Russia in the second century, the Slavs appeared as a people in the sixth century, so don't be rude when visiting (c) That is why the language is for us " created "two messiahs - Cyril and Methodius. And then the history was written by the Germans who do not know the Russian language. And the fact that the ancient Slavic chronology is 144 thousand years old and from the Creation of the World in the Star Temple, 7524 is now going on in our Round-the-clock, how? And so much time without Vera?
    1. Glaaki
      Glaaki 30 May 2016 09: 41
      0
      [sarcasm] Very interesting. Tell me something else. For example, about the fact that Aryan pro-Russian SSs arrived from the stars, defeated the Chinese 7500 years ago, created all the languages ​​that exist today, and so on. [Sarcasm /]
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny 30 May 2016 10: 24
        +8
        never amuses the act of Peter 1, who easily throws it into the trash for 5000 years .. as a result, most are sure: before the adoption of Christianity, the ancestors lived on trees and ate each other, although even official historical science suspects something ... but now it’s not important - Orthodoxy is so Orthodoxy, Rodnovers - yes please (axes, by the way, are not few) loyal Leninists - atheists - but for God's sake, if only they loved the Motherland, otherwise they nearly nibbled over a couple of decades

        1. D. Dan
          D. Dan 31 May 2016 09: 49
          +1
          So about the fact that the Slavs were barbarians, and Gundyaev himself spoke.

          here you are, look. Or, will anyone claim that this video is "grossly out of context!"
          And the fact that they nearly scotched, yes. It’s even strange that they didn’t come round, there IS still strength in us, we WILL LIVE.
      2. Glaaki
        Glaaki 30 May 2016 11: 13
        -1
        Bida-bida, Dolboslavs were looking at my turnip!
        1. Volzhanin
          Volzhanin 30 May 2016 13: 27
          +5
          Pictures for those without brains in principle!
          It is precisely with such false tricks that the Westerners, liberals and Russophobes, denigrate, for example, Stalin.
          They add 50% of the truth, add as much fiction and give it out to the mountain!
        2. a housewife
          a housewife 30 May 2016 13: 55
          +1
          Turn on your brains a bit! We have LAND in Russia and forest and fields. And they often prayed to the forest and living trees. In Hellas, stone upon stone, what else would they build from? And by the way, on their beautiful ships, crawling along the banks of the river, they brought to our beautiful cities grain and honey bought here, leather and wood, wax and furs. And they came to us and built cities along the coast for trade, and not we to them. Scratch your turnip and don’t jerk it off.
          1. Glaaki
            Glaaki 30 May 2016 14: 55
            -2
            You and I did not drink to the Brudershaft to poke at me. This is the first.
            Secondly, your nickname perfectly reflects your manners and IQ coefficient. Verily, there are no arguments - go straight to the insult. Typical a housewife.
            1. EvgNik
              EvgNik 30 May 2016 18: 40
              +2
              Quote: Glaaki
              Immediately go to the insult. Typical housewife.

              So you immediately turned to insults. Also in relation to a woman. In my soul - you - minus.
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    3. Volzhanin
      Volzhanin 30 May 2016 13: 22
      +3
      Those who have empty cells in their head, not burdened with knowledge, think so. But!
      Faith was, is and will be. Nikon did not succeed in crossing "a donkey and a quivering doe". Everything will return to normal. The Christian shell of FAITH is simply transformed into another religion. Perhaps the new secular ideology will be more progressive and universal (like the USSR 2.0 / 3.0), and therefore the special need for religions will disappear, especially those imposed from the outside by alien civilizations.
      1. Mikhail Matyugin
        Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 16: 53
        +1
        Quote: Volzhanin
        consequently, a special need for religions will disappear, especially imposed from outside by alien civilizations.

        Interesting, and who are you talking about? Suspect what about Orthodox Christianity. Which 1200 years only among the Eastern Slavs exists, and in Russia (if we take the Crimea and Abkhazia)) for almost 2000 years. Oh, what an alien religion, what an alien ... request
      2. D. Dan
        D. Dan 31 May 2016 09: 34
        0
        But this is a very interesting theory, thank you!
    4. a housewife
      a housewife 30 May 2016 13: 48
      -1
      And not 7528? Jews around the world have long spread. And the territory of Russia is not only the middle lane. But the Slavs lived for a long time, they occupied large territories and HOW THE PEOPLE did not immediately take shape. Writing was also a long time ago, only the people spread widely, there were discrepancies, moreover they wrote without special rules. Even now they are not given to everyone. But Cyril and Methodius engaged in systematization, especially not for the Russians, but for the Bulgarians. But the thought was correct. Mendeleev, too, did not compose his table from scratch, let's say that chemistry was before him. It seems like adults, but they write nonsense - immeasurably!
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 30 May 2016 09: 44
    +14
    Something = looking at this photo I do not feel any pride. And if we talk about the culture and morality that House-2 was closed, the bee-shit dance, which defeated Nazism in the country, is still considered the norm, the Nazi dance was not condemned. what moral principles can we talk about if we are urged to throw out children. like trash in boxes.
    1. ruAlex
      ruAlex 30 May 2016 10: 39
      0
      Choosing the wrong angle, no need to find fault with the photo.
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 30 May 2016 11: 14
        +1
        Quote: ruAlex
        Choosing the wrong angle, no need to find fault with the photo.

        Exactly ... and specifically ..! hi
      2. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 30 May 2016 11: 38
        +13
        Quote: ruAlex
        Choosing the wrong angle, no need to find fault with the photo.


        Here any angle is unsuccessful :))) And not in a photographic sense.
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir 30 May 2016 12: 07
        +7
        Bad view selected
        This angle has been selected for 16 years.
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 30 May 2016 14: 01
      +2
      Putin, of course, is respected. But is this Putin put on an honorable place. He represents Russia. This is SO respected by Russia. And by the way, modestly worth it. Look at those to his left.
    3. ioann1
      ioann1 30 May 2016 17: 16
      +2
      You just don’t understand what it’s about ...
      1. D. Dan
        D. Dan 31 May 2016 09: 50
        0
        and why the skull in the hands, do not understand? belay
        1. Basil50
          Basil50 2 June 2016 20: 06
          0
          to John. It seems that this skull of someone who * is guilty of something *, that's hammered * with the truths * of the blessing.
  14. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 30 May 2016 09: 56
    +4
    Well, well, "a landmark meeting", you say ... Upon arrival in Greece, Putin was met at the airport, only the Minister of Defense of Greece. For some reason, our media do not focus on this.
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 30 May 2016 10: 18
      +8
      and after Tsipras ran from the red carpet from top to down, he ran up to Putin with outstretched hands (to the sounds of the Russian anthem and at the solemn guard hi ) ...... this can also be emphasized wink
      1. Monster_Fat
        Monster_Fat 30 May 2016 10: 50
        +2
        Uh-uh .. my dear, then that he then kind of "ran up" -in diplomacy "does not count." The main thing is "who meets" "on the gangplank" - this is what emphasizes the attention to the guest, his importance for the meeting party and the level of "expectation" from the meeting.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 30 May 2016 10: 55
          0
          Uh-uh .. my dear, then that he then kind of "ran up" -in diplomacy "does not count." The main thing is "who meets" "on the gangplank" - this is what emphasizes the attention to the guest, his importance for the meeting party and the level of "expectation" from the meeting.

          So, Tsipras, how then to explain to the owners if he would meet the President at the airport? And so he could not bear it, poor fellow. I think V.V. Putin, knew about this in advance, understood and forgave. About the Augean stables, was that what he said about this?
  15. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 30 May 2016 10: 00
    +9
    As for strengthening the moral principles of society.
    Good words, but they must be filled with specific content.
    Visiting temples is wonderful, but you need to build a society based on moral and moral values, and what kind of society is being built in the country today? In a society in which the dictates of hypocrisy.
    Today in the country it is difficult to find a job with decent pay. Yesterday at VO, in one of the comments, a question was raised about the salary at the defense industry complex enterprise, a young engineer receives 63 rubles per hour. At 22 working days per month, it is 11 thousand rubles. and how to live on such a salary? And these are people with higher technical education, the ability to have to get such an education. And how to get a decent income? Yes, by deception. Representatives of various organizations walk around the apartments, imposing services and deceiving people. All how much they deceive is their earnings. The neighbor said. Such a representative simply yelled at her, forcing to urgently change the meter, for the service 2,6 thousand rubles, and the neighbor is a lonely disabled person, her money goes to medicines. I’ll explain that free medicines are given only for the main disease from the list of vital signs, but There are many other problems and it is problematic to find such an amount. I was upset, attacked, fell, an ambulance came from the Ministry of Emergencies, they entered the apartment through the window. Firstly, such a service is provided by a resource supplying organization, it costs 1 thousand, they take readings and seal the meter. And they go to impose services on them, moreover, they have no right to seal the meters, i.e. after their visit you still have to pay. And where is their conscience? They caused harm to a sick person, they are deceiving the population, they have no right to go home and watch equipment. What vacuum cleaners sell for 70 thousand, etc. stories are known to all. Deceived, and with money, honestly work, a decent salary if you receive, then not soon.
    Morality is not a common word, it is a way of life, it is the methods of governing the country, its economy.
    This is what people should understand when speaking of moral principles and morality.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 30 May 2016 14: 11
      -4
      Scheduled exchange of meters is FREE. Now, if you yourself decided to replace, then you fully pay. The deception lies in the fact that they are yelling at you, that you are violating, and then they will issue it as a replacement according to your application. There are examples. For this we must ruthlessly punish! But our people were brought up by the Soviet government - since a person came from an official institution, he knows what and how, he needs to obey, otherwise it will be bad. And nothing happens at all for free. Need some videos on TV. There, they already got it about the agricultural census, but you need the same thing, but with an elementary explanation - who will come, what documents to have, for what purpose is the census voluntary? After all, a bunch of scammers can come to grandmothers in the village.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 30 May 2016 18: 56
        +3
        Quote: housewife
        Scheduled exchange of meters is FREE

        I don’t know where you live, but here it’s not made. Perm region. At my own expense. And reinstall and the counter itself. And sealing. Everything is tested on yourself. And the nerves spent unmeasured.
        1. a housewife
          a housewife 31 May 2016 00: 13
          +1
          Several years ago we came to visit my mother-in-law, she lived in the village. Shows me a counter - "look, how new, little white". And literally a week before that, a neighbor complained to me that they had come to change the meter and demanded 3,5 thousand. She burst into tears, they say, my grandfather and I are disabled, the pension is small. They told her, well, okay, we'll put it for 1,5. And on TV the local announced that the planned replacement would be free. So I ask my mother-in-law - "How much did they take from you?" Answers - "free". How so lucky? It turns out that on the street they began to take 2,5 thousand for the installation (not the city). And they reached someone stubborn. He took the statement to the prosecutor's office. The next day, everyone was delivered free of charge and the collected ones were returned. Adygea. Did I explain a little messy? Well, I think it's understandable. And they make a fool wherever they can. Now, if the light was cut off for non-payment, then you have to pay, it seems, 25 or 30 percent, and you must immediately connect, free of charge. My friend, having got into a difficult situation, did not pay for several months, the light came to her, cut off. Then she paid 16 thousand of the debt, then 8 thousand for the connection, and waited another month for this. The main thing is that she told me on the phone when everything was over. I climbed the Internet, looked and read the comments of people and lawyers. They violated everything that was possible: there were no written warnings for a month or a week, they forced to pay the entire debt at once, took the connection money and made her wait. The funny thing is that in about a year she was returned almost all this money !!! Apparently, there was some kind of check. That is, receipts for the light were drawn up for her as paid, but they did not take money. Fiction! This is Nizhnebakansky, in the Kuban. Everything must be followed. Last year, they tried to force us to change the gas meter and also to fine and count by calculation. And it was changed and the verification period has not yet expired. It’s good that I don’t throw out a single receipt and not a single check for housing and communal services.
          1. D. Dan
            D. Dan 31 May 2016 09: 52
            0
            And we generally change it yourself, they will come and seal a mustache. That's exactly what I did. ANY can change the counter. Wife shone, I changed.
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  16. Riv
    Riv 30 May 2016 10: 16
    +5
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, you hold on there!
    1. Mengad
      Mengad 30 May 2016 10: 49
      +3
      Yeah ... but around the hyena ... ,, Putin scolded Kudrin in response to a proposal to cede to the West ,,
      http://riafan.ru/525755-putin-otchital-kudrina-v-otvet-na-predlozhenie-ustupit-z
      apadu
  17. Grave With Cross 3
    Grave With Cross 3 30 May 2016 10: 45
    -2
    Now also the Byzantine throne ?!
    1. vanavatny
      vanavatny 30 May 2016 10: 57
      +7
      only if Constantinople is returned: by the way, it is ours by all accounts ... laughing
      1. Mikhail Matyugin
        Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 12: 15
        +3
        Quote: vanavate
        if Constantinople return: he, by the way, is ours by all accounts

        Well, if only "by concepts."
        And so, including under international law, quite, completely not Russian.

        I will say more - none of the Russian tsars was going to make Constantinople a Russian city.
        1. vanavatny
          vanavatny 30 May 2016 13: 24
          +1
          Remember now you are my word:
          Glory to the warrior - joy;
          Your name is glorified by victory;
          Your shield on the gates of Constantinople;
          And the waves and the land are submissive to you;
          The enemy is jealous of such a wondrous fate. hi spawning no one had any plans -Pushkin one stop
          1. Mikhail Matyugin
            Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 16: 34
            0
            Quote: vanavate
            No one had plans, Pushkin was alone

            But who is this verse about, can you tell me? Let me remind you of Oleg Veshch, who was 1000 in the first years ago, and in the second was the Scandinavian king, but not the Russian Tsar.
            1. vanavatny
              vanavatny 30 May 2016 17: 45
              +1
              Disputes about Oleg will lead us into the darkness of nonexistent archives; we cited the lines only because the interest was long before the appearance of the “Russian Tsars”, speaking about the concepts I meant that we have more rights to Constantinople than the Turks and generally whom any of the existing legal successors of the states of that period
              1. Mikhail Matyugin
                Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 19: 13
                +1
                Quote: vanavate
                we have more rights to Constantinople than the Turks and generally any of the existing legal successors of the states of that period

                How to say. Focusing on international practice and the fact that in all treaties Constantinople ceased to be such, and became Istanbul for 500 years, the Turks have enough rights to it. The Russians in 1878 would have captured him or the British in World War I — another conversation.

                There are also historical roots - so they are from the Greeks, that of Greece, that of Cyprus. But relying on them - is more expensive for oneself - so anyone can say that Russia has captured and must be given back - the Crimean Tatars insist on this.
                1. vanavatny
                  vanavatny 30 May 2016 20: 02
                  +1
                  therefore, everything is always decided by force, and even specially trained people will sing and decorate, in fact, the history of Constantinople and Crimea speaks of something like that
        2. user3970
          user3970 31 May 2016 10: 54
          -2
          Jerusalem is a Russian city. Almost ALL the territory of present-day Jerusalem was bought by the Russian tsars. But Khrushchev "generously" gave it (sold) to Israel for a steamer with oranges. "Exchange" documents in the studio!
  18. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 30 May 2016 11: 02
    +4
    It’s not for nothing that our President went to Greece at this particular time. An eco-Turkish sausage.
    Erdogan: Turkey's enemies take revenge for the conquest of Istanbul in the 15th century.
    Turkey’s enemies want to avenge her conquest of Istanbul in 1453, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said and expressed confidence that by the 100th anniversary of the founding of the Republic of Turkey in 2023, the country will become one of the most developed economies in the world.
    “The enemies of Turkey want to take revenge on us for the conquest of Istanbul. However, no one can destroy our country. After the conquest of Istanbul, the Turks settled in Anatolia and Thrace and are not going to leave these lands, ”RIA Novosti quoted him as saying with reference to Anadolu agency. “This nation a century ago gave a worthy answer to the enemies. I’m sure that by the 100th anniversary of the founding of the Republic of Turkey (in 2023), our country will be among the ten most developed economies in the world, ”Erdogan said at a meeting in Istanbul on the 563rd anniversary of the capture of this city by the Ottoman forces.
    He added that over 100 years, Turkey has greatly changed, having turned from the successor of the “sick man”, who was then called the Ottoman Empire, into one of the leading economies in the world. But today, according to the Turkish president, certain states that call themselves its allies are blinking at the “dirty games in Syria” and “supporting the terrorists.”
    "What is the matter of Russia and Iran to Syria? What do they do there? What are American soldiers in uniforms with emblems of terrorists (Syrian Kurdish self-defense forces) doing on Syrian lands? IG (terrorist group "Islamic State") is an artificially created structure, and under the pretext of combating it, games are realized whose purpose is extremely clear. Certain forces are trying to tear Turkey away from the Middle East and North Africa, ”Erdogan said.
    Istanbul rally was dedicated to the anniversary of the fall of Byzantium. In 1453, the Turkish sultan Mehmed II captured Constantinople and proclaimed it the capital of the Ottoman Empire.http: //vz.ru/news/2016/5/30/813350.html
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 30 May 2016 11: 30
      0
      Quote: vladimirvn "What is the matter of Russia and Iran to Syria? What do they do there? What are American soldiers in uniforms with emblems of terrorists (Syrian Kurdish self-defense forces) doing on Syrian lands?

      And really, what does the US care about Syria? I support.
      And, actually, Erdogan is definitely sick. He does not need to talk with Poroshenko, but with Gadia. They would understand each other without words.
    2. Al1977
      Al1977 30 May 2016 17: 02
      -1
      Quote: vladimirvn
      It’s not for nothing that our President went to Greece at this particular time. An eco-Turkish sausage.

      Our president does EVERYTHING "not in vain", if you noticed))) What is not an act is a brilliant foreign policy step that strengthens Russia, makes it richer, and the population happier) Glory, glory to Saint Vladimir, health to you, good luck, goodbye!
  19. sa-ag
    sa-ag 30 May 2016 11: 12
    +4
    "... any EU state could have made one important conclusion for itself. From now on, Putin's arrival is not some kind of dangerous measure, for which political punishment will immediately fall on the heads of the guilty. Moreover, the Greek media actively and to the whole world broadcast news about the visit of the Russian president and local television followed him almost relentlessly. "

    They can talk about anything in Greece, but when it comes to money, then all sorts of metamorphoses begin, and yes, the European Commission will still not give permission for laying a gas pipeline ...
  20. L. A. A.
    L. A. A. 30 May 2016 12: 21
    0
    Interesting photo. President Putin is here as king. Pretty pretty.
    1. Bokassa
      Bokassa 30 May 2016 12: 43
      -15%
      Putin here looks like a disingenuous, but in other matters it is.
      1. cedar
        cedar 30 May 2016 18: 28
        -1
        zgin, haste!
  21. Khabarov
    Khabarov 30 May 2016 12: 28
    +6
    Can also go somewhere in the holy places, put a candle pood for the death of all insurance companies? It seems that Putin doesn’t have time, maybe HE will help to restore some order at all.
  22. Wayna qhapaq
    Wayna qhapaq 30 May 2016 12: 42
    -5
    If it is for foreign policy purposes (who knows), I support it. If the next Brezhnev kiss with "fraternal countries" is only for their "hamsters" - negative. Any religion (Christianity, Islam) is a brake on progress - my personal opinion. All Abrahamic religions are a collection of old Jewish folk tales, rewritten a thousand times. If we exaggerate, then we can believe in Baba Yaga and Koshchei the Immortal with the same success.
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 30 May 2016 16: 59
      +1
      Quote: Wayna Qhapaq
      If this is for foreign policy purposes (who knows), I support it.

      It is for them.))) Tomorrow your life will change for the better))))
  23. VeteranS
    VeteranS 30 May 2016 14: 00
    -5
    It is not surprising that Sodom's Western Europe and the United States (their politicians and authorities) are so up in arms against Mother Russia, Holy Russia, and our respected Orthodox President Vladimir Putin, since Russia has become a stumbling block for the establishment of the Antichrist in the world and the power of demons on earth and death human civilization ... The reliance in Russia on our traditional religions (Orthodoxy, Islam, Buddhism and Judaism) and the values ​​inherent in man by God himself will give us the strength to defeat the most insidious and powerful numerous enemy, for as the holy noble prince once said invincible warrior and diplomat Alexander Nevsky, "God is not in power, but in truth" ... but Truth and Truth are in the heart of Russia!
    1. Al1977
      Al1977 31 May 2016 12: 35
      -1
      Quote: VeteranS
      It is not surprising that Sodom’s Western Europe and the United States (their policies and authorities) have so fought against Mother Russia, Holy Russia, and our esteemed Orthodox President Vladimir Putin, since Russia has become a stumbling block for the establishment of anti-christ and demonic power on earth and death human civilization ....

      In Warcraft outplayed?)))))))
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 31 May 2016 13: 10
        -2
        Quote: Al1977
        Quote: VeteranS
        It is not surprising that Sodom’s Western Europe and the United States (their policies and authorities) have so fought against Mother Russia, Holy Russia, and our esteemed Orthodox President Vladimir Putin, since Russia has become a stumbling block for the establishment of anti-christ and demonic power on earth and death human civilization ....

        In Warcraft outplayed?)))))))

        Who put a minus, a gamer, are you?))))) You don’t get angry, I understand that computer games and the desire to touch change your mind, but this is not a Full House program, so that you would smack the garbage out ... work thinner and will you pluses ...
        PS May force come with you and may God grant you a magical staff +5 improve ...))))
        I had fun, for this a plus sign ... but I can’t, already minus you slapped))))
  24. Bokassa
    Bokassa 30 May 2016 15: 35
    -14%
    and then a box with a chainsaw hool in two!
    1. cedar
      cedar 30 May 2016 18: 30
      +1
      zgin kodla devilish!
    2. Rarog
      Rarog 30 May 2016 18: 53
      +2
      Jump-jump, jump-jump, the main thing is not to stop
  25. dojjdik
    dojjdik 30 May 2016 15: 38
    +1
    ignorance and illiteracy are the basis of those countries where churches are built and religion is planted; sects deceit and death of people who got into them, we say to shoot thieves-officials and that’s right, but there are also priests who are fattening on parasites -healthy muggy men waving codeiles and muttering indistinctly under their breath; they already know that they will not be shot
    1. ioann1
      ioann1 30 May 2016 18: 37
      -1
      Thy holy will be done!
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 30 May 2016 20: 09
      -1
      In the words "shoot, shoot" - you make a gross mistake twice, this is not a typo - this speaks of your illiteracy and ignorance, and you are being clever, about fat priests, you would know better what they are muttering about.
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 30 May 2016 20: 33
        +4
        Dear smart guy, you are ours! Can you explain to the illiterate monkeys climbing trees (according to Gundyaev) that Patriarch Alexy violated the canonical rite of the funeral service for citizen Yeltsin and called him not a servant of God, but "the first president of Russia B ... N ... E ...". Thank you in advance for your answer.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 30 May 2016 20: 48
          -3
          Not ... according to Gundyaev, dear, and Patriarch Kirill (this indicates your rudeness)
          The first president of Russia did not deserve to be called the Servant of God.
          1. KBR109
            KBR109 30 May 2016 20: 53
            +3
            The canonical burial service is the same for all. The Russian emperors were buried like that - not like the drunk of this shameful one. This already speaks of your absolute lack of ownership of the issue of sim.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 30 May 2016 21: 06
              -4
              So HE did not look like Russian tsars, and calling the first President of Russia is the last thing.

              Have you seen the film: "One of our own among strangers, a stranger among our own"?
              One of the heroes of the film, performed by A.Kaydanovsky, his remark:
              All the best, I take my leave (this is from myself)
              1. KBR109
                KBR109 30 May 2016 21: 12
                +4
                How incomprehensible you are, to put it mildly! No priest (including the high priest) has the right to change church canons. This is HERESY. Did it get there? We have frank lizoblyudstvo and petty frivolity. But in the end - SHAME!
  26. Mikhail Matyugin
    Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 16: 47
    0
    Quote: dojjdik
    they already know that they will not be shot

    I’ll only say one thing in your mind — you probably don’t know at all that the one depicted on your profile picture - being 50 years old an atheist-communist, turned to Catholicism in his old age, opened churches in Cuba and even today The Pope came to visit Fidel Castro, simultaneously meeting in Cuba with the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church! From how it is, Mikhalych!
  27. Basil50
    Basil50 30 May 2016 17: 19
    +2
    The joy of the monks of Greece is understandable, they were noticed, noted and that means * forage base * will be more. Is this what RUSSIA was delighted with? I was always outraged that the church claims to be a culture, the formation of RUSI as a state, now they turn out to be a moral measure. It turns out that only the one who repented, and of course, unfastened his ass immediately becomes * moral *, a lot of unfastens will become * highly moral *.
    Few people know that in Russia there were so-called * servile monasteries * and they were destroyed mercilessly, the latter were destroyed under Catherine the Second. Here manuscripts on the history of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE were concentrated there. Around the same time, the theory of * Normans * and the * Mongol-Tatar * invasion was finally * framed, after which churches arose in every city in Russia. Draw conclusions.
    1. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 19: 24
      -2
      Quote: Vasily50
      The joy of the monks of Greece is understandable, they were noticed, noted and that means * forage base * will be more. Is this what RUSSIA was delighted with?

      Orthodox Christians were delighted to see once again that their president was still Orthodox people (at least figuratively).

      Quote: Vasily50
      It turns out that only the one who repented, and of course, unfastened his ass immediately becomes * moral *, a lot of unfastens will become * highly moral *.
      Basil, stop bearing your nonsense, because The sacrament of repentance in the Russian Federation in the Russian Orthodox Church is FREE. You see, I kind of write in Russian - WITHOUT MONEY! From the word at all!

      If you want (SAM! NOBODY TO MAKE IT!) To buy candles in the church or to donate something just to the temple, then this is welcome.

      Quote: Vasily50
      the so-called * servile monasteries * and they were destroyed mercilessly, the latter were destroyed under Catherine the Second.
      Who destroyed monasteries in Russia, do not recall, except for the Bolsheviks? Or are you making a world discovery?
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 30 May 2016 21: 54
        +1
        It is strange that anyone climbs to teach, without demand and without knowledge.
        Catherine II carried out * sequestration * (seizure) of church land, church slaves, church values ​​so much that no one can ever compare with her. A lot of the seized was then handed out as a reward, but the archives were destroyed.
        It is clear when the church defends the rights to slaves and other values, but the desire to become a slave and to defend this right does not fit in one’s head.
        And again, the church appropriated ORTHODOXY in 1943, before that it was * Greek Catholic *. Those who did not know this, let them ask their priest, since they must know that.
        1. navigator
          navigator 31 May 2016 15: 16
          +1
          Quote: Vasily50
          And again, the church appropriated ORTHODOXY in 1943, before that it was * Greek Catholic *. Those who did not know this, let them ask their priest, since they must know that.


          Where did you read this? Our Church was never Greek Catholic. It was always Catholic. And no priest will tell you such stupidity, because it's a lie.
          1. Basil50
            Basil50 1 June 2016 15: 11
            -1
            to the navigator.
            To cheat with writing letters or rearranging phrases, to change the meaning of the written, is an old and very common technique. Catholics have also recently become Catholics; they are separated from the * Greek-Catholic * KAPHOLICS.
            1. navigator
              navigator 1 June 2016 23: 50
              0
              Quote: Vasily50
              to the navigator. To cheat with writing letters or rearranging phrases, to change the meaning of the written, is an old and very common technique. Catholics have also recently become Catholics; they are separated from the * Greek-Catholic * KAPHOLICS.


              Learn history, you will not write nonsense, all the more, blame the scam. The Catholic Church includes the Greeks too. And the Roman Church broke away in the 11th century, becoming Catholics, ceasing to be a Catholic Church.
            2. Basil50
              Basil50 2 June 2016 06: 21
              -1
              An interesting fact is that in the whole west the word denoting SLAVAN equated to the word * slave *. Today there are those who claim that the church in the name has the word * slave *.
              And with the sound * f * in the word Katolik, everything is ambiguous, it was pronounced as convenient, today it is shaking from righteous anger that it is being denied Catholicism, but under Nikon, there were a lot of theologians from Europe, with the blessing of the pope, who were among the ideologists of those transformations of the church that led to * split *.
              1. Basil50
                Basil50 2 June 2016 11: 48
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                In Byzantium, as in the rest of Europe, * glory * denoted a slave. In Byzantium, they bought slaves and resold, which was not a small part * of the economy *, the church also did not shy away from the slave trade.
                1. navigator
                  navigator 2 June 2016 16: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: Vasily50
                  In Byzantium, as in the rest of Europe, * glory * denoted a slave. In Byzantium, they bought slaves and resold, which was not a small part * of the economy *, the church also did not shy away from the slave trade.


                  As you have already tired of your fables. Not "glory", but "slave", it is still in English. The fact that you water the Church with slops, you can't calm down, you don't know the history, it is also clear and understandable. It's not clear. I know this topic much deeper than you. And to teach that it's not a letter, that every word has its own meaning and even one letter changes its meaning completely and pronounced it as it should, and not "as convenient", is not included in my tasks. About the fact that "under Nikon, very many theologians from Europe, with the blessing of the pope, were among the ideologists of those transformations of the church that led to * schism *", I suggest to name a few "out of very many." you will not name. You lied, I denied. Disagree-flag in hand.
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                3. Basil50
                  Basil50 2 June 2016 19: 54
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                  to the navigator. In connection with the Catholic influence on the split, I immediately recall Semyon (Simeon) Polotsky, the rest need to be clarified, which frankly I do not want to do, it is disgusting.
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  29. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 30 May 2016 18: 03
    +4
    The next "brothers", ready to suck money from the Russian pocket and a bad person, ready to tear away from his own and give to strangers.


    At the same time, it is still not clear why Russia, for example, to finance and defend the despotic regime of distant Tajikistan, which has long expelled all Russians and is now carefully erasing the remnants of the Russian language. Or why provide patronage of isolated Armenia, which belongs to our country exclusively consumer?

    Will the Russian people pull new "brothers" from Athos?
  30. Mengad
    Mengad 30 May 2016 18: 05
    +5
    They talked about God bully Gentlemen? I want to ask you a question: Did any of you read the Bible? Apparently not, if you were reading, would you remember ... that the temple of God is in the soul of man! And all these intermediaries in outfits are heresy! Whether you are a pagan, a Catholic, or who knows who!
    1. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 19: 18
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      Quote: Mengad
      Did anyone of you read the Bible? Apparently not, if you were reading, would you remember ... that the temple of God is in the soul of man!

      With your quote, you have confirmed your banal ignorance and that you do not know the Bible.

      Don't the words "My Father's house" tell you anything?
  31. Mengad
    Mengad 30 May 2016 18: 18
    +1
    Quote: Vasily50
    The joy of the monks of Greece is understandable, they were noticed, noted and that means * forage base * will be more. Is this what RUSSIA was delighted with? I was always outraged that the church claims to be a culture, the formation of RUSI as a state, now they turn out to be a moral measure. It turns out that only the one who repented, and of course, unfastened his ass immediately becomes * moral *, a lot of unfastens will become * highly moral *.
    Few people know that in Russia there were so-called * servile monasteries * and they were destroyed mercilessly, the latter were destroyed under Catherine the Second. Here manuscripts on the history of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE were concentrated there. Around the same time, the theory of * Normans * and the * Mongol-Tatar * invasion was finally * framed, after which churches arose in every city in Russia. Draw conclusions.

    Everything is simple
    Divide and conquer! Physically, a person belongs to the state .. and religion draws spiritually under him. A person is not born evil, the surrounding world in which we live makes him evil, if the world were good and there would be no need for churches and religion.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 30 May 2016 19: 23
      +2
      Quote: Mengad
      Everything is simple

      yes a dog is biting, only from a dog’s life.
  32. Mengad
    Mengad 30 May 2016 19: 01
    +1
    Quote: Glaaki
    Bida-bida, Dolboslavs were looking at my turnip!

    Meet on clothes .. and on the mind see off .. familiar?
    and for reference: The second commandment Do not make yourself an idol and no image; Do not worship them and do not serve them.
  33. Mengad
    Mengad 30 May 2016 20: 22
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    Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
    Quote: Mengad
    Did anyone of you read the Bible? Apparently not, if you were reading, would you remember ... that the temple of God is in the soul of man!

    With your quote, you have confirmed your banal ignorance and that you do not know the Bible.

    Don't the words "My Father's house" tell you anything?


    Yes, I remember this ... only if you are a Jew? then yes .. this is your quote but not mine smile
    ,, The Jewish Passover was approaching, and Jesus came to Jerusalem and found that in the temple they sold oxen, sheep and pigeons, and money changers were sitting. And having made a scourge of ropes, he drove out of the temple all, [also] both sheep and oxen; and he scattered money with the exchangers, and overturned their tables. And he said to the selling doves: Take this from here and do not make My Father’s house a house of commerce. ,,
    PS Unfamiliar ford, do not pop into the water.
    1. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 23: 50
      +1
      Oops, Jewish accusations have gone! It’s already becoming interesting ...

      And what follows from your quote? In my opinion, this is exactly what is said about reverence for the Temple, that it should not be desecrated by worldly affairs, because this is the primary place for fellowship with God.
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 31 May 2016 00: 30
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      Nowhere did Christ have anything in common with those priests, scribes, and Pharisees who taught the people in the Temple. Nevertheless, He always came to the Temple, showing people what to do, although he loved to pray in solitude, in the garden or on the mountain. And he told people about the Pharisees, so that they would fulfill what they said in the Temple, since they didn’t speak for themselves, but do not do their deeds. And He drove out merchants and changed, not priests.
  34. Mengad
    Mengad 30 May 2016 21: 28
    +1
    Quote: Mengad
    Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
    Quote: Mengad
    Did anyone of you read the Bible? Apparently not, if you were reading, would you remember ... that the temple of God is in the soul of man!

    With your quote, you have confirmed your banal ignorance and that you do not know the Bible.

    Don't the words "My Father's house" tell you anything?


    Yes, I remember this ... only if you are a Jew? then yes .. this is your quote but not mine smile
    ,, The Jewish Passover was approaching, and Jesus came to Jerusalem and found that in the temple they sold oxen, sheep and pigeons, and money changers were sitting. And having made a scourge of ropes, he drove out of the temple all, [also] both sheep and oxen; and he scattered money with the exchangers, and overturned their tables. And he said to the selling doves: Take this from here and do not make My Father’s house a house of commerce. ,,
    PS Unfamiliar ford, do not pop into the water.

    I understand that not everyone has read the Bible and it is very difficult to understand it .. it must be analyzed very slowly to delve into every word. "Here is a transcript of what Jesus meant by the Temple (at least this is the interpretation)
    ,, The high priests understood the words of Christ literally and, referring them to the Jerusalem Temple, tried to restore the people against him. They did not understand that He was talking about the temple of His body (John 2, 21). That is, with the words about the destruction and erection of the Temple, the Lord foretold His death, the destruction of His body and His Resurrection from the dead on the third day.

    In addition, here you can see a hint that since then Jesus Himself will become the true Temple. God is present and reveals Glory not in man-made structures, but in His crucified and risen Son. Only the presence of the living, risen Christ turns this whole world into the Temple of God. That's why John says that later, the disciples, remembering these words, saw in them the prediction of the Resurrection. So our Temple is our soul, and not these buildings are gilded.
    1. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 30 May 2016 23: 54
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      Your last thesis doesn’t follow from the quote you quoted NO -
      Quote: Mengad
      our Temple is our soul, and not these buildings are gilded.
      . There is absolutely no connection. The temple as a place of fellowship with God is affirmed unambiguously in both Testaments.
    2. a housewife
      a housewife 31 May 2016 00: 40
      0
      All in one mess! Christ spoke about the Temple of his body in one specific place. In all other places the Temple is the Temple. The whole world is not the Temple of God, for "until the time" Satan rules the earth. Our soul is our life. This is the only way to understand some phrases. For example, about those who gave their souls for their friends. All the confusion is due to the fact that in Russian there are three meanings of the word "church". The church is a prayer building. The church is a gathering of Christians, an organization. The Church - all believers in Christ - both living and living long ago, because with God everyone is alive. And the head of the Church is Christ.
  35. Grave With Cross 3
    Grave With Cross 3 30 May 2016 21: 40
    +1
    "The source of the moral foundations of society"
    And I thought all morality comes from the rulers. laughing
  36. Pancho
    Pancho 30 May 2016 22: 12
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    Quote: Volzhanin
    And praised the LAW

    And the Etruscans from "these are Russians"? What kind of fashion is it to adjust the meaning to words that are completely different in meaning? Which "right" was glorified - Roman or Magdeburg?
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 31 May 2016 10: 40
      -1
      Possessing history has become fashionable, especially since historians sometimes express such ideas that the desire to put in the face is simply unbearable. As for the Etruscans, generally interesting and sometimes exotic assumptions, it’s possible to read Etruscan inscriptions only with the help of the RUSSIAN language fact. But Gundyaev and his * accomplices * on ideology claim that before Christianity there was nothing, and there was no history, and they learned to write much later, there are those who believe in the words of the priests.
      1. navigator
        navigator 31 May 2016 17: 39
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        Quote: Vasily50
        But Gundyaev and his * accomplices * on ideology claim that before Christianity there was nothing, and there was no history, and they learned to write much later, there are those who believe in the words of the priests.


        Where, when did you hear this, read it? Before Christianity, there was paganism. No need to introduce
        delusion of the ignorant, none of the "priests", as you call them, ever said such nonsense.
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  37. Armat
    Armat 30 May 2016 23: 39
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    Rejoice the Orthodox world, You have found a faithful defender in the person of Vladimir! And let the ravens croak the wicked and vile, but the chime of the Orthodox world they can’t outsmart !!!!!!!
  38. Manage
    Manage 31 May 2016 03: 00
    +1
    And these are people who do not want Orthodox Russia to see. They want what to see her? Dirty, smelly, brutal, hungry, corrupt? Fools, I come from an old Russian family - about 800 years old my Orthodox family. And to my pagan ancestors even more. So: moral principles have not changed for several thousand years.
    1. Tired
      Tired 31 May 2016 04: 51
      +3
      "Dirty, smelly, cruel, hungry, corrupt" was the Russian Empire, in the last years of its life, where there was a criminal article for blasphemy and general religious and patriotic hysteria forced by the government. But in the godless USSR, for some reason, these problems either did not exist at all, or there were incomparably fewer. Morality has long since changed since medieval times. And what characteristically changed exclusively for the better - the number of reasons for murder (but only in countries where the priests were removed from power) was seriously reduced, and the inequality between people no longer turns some into property of others. Religion has the same attitude to morality as a worm to health - the interest of a parasite and nothing more. As for the pedaling of a religious theme in modern Russia, it has an extremely banal goal - to explain to citizens that the growing poverty and disorder is not a reason for unrest. The Patriarch is already openly making statements in the style: "You are poor and this is wonderful!" And I want to see Russia modern and progressive and not backward and obscurantist.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 31 May 2016 07: 57
        +3
        Gestione.
        What today is called the * Orthodox Church *. has no relation to Orthodoxy. In 1943, * the Greek Catholic Orthodox * church changed its name to * Orthodox *. It turns out that the church claims to be RUSSIAN gods and the history of the RUSSIAN PEOPLE. Gundyaev openly stated that only Christians have the right to history.
        1. andj61
          andj61 31 May 2016 08: 28
          -1
          Quote: Vasily50
          What today is called the * Orthodox Church *. has no relation to Orthodoxy. In 1943, * the Greek Catholic Orthodox * church changed its name to * Orthodox *.

          And where did you get this? The Greek Catholic Church has an extremely distant relationship to Orthodoxy, and exclusively in the rite - the Orthodox Greek rite or, as it is called not in Russian, orthodox, but obey the Pope. There are also certain concessions to Rome in matters of religious dogma. Ukrainian and Belarusian Greek Catholic churches are the heirs of the Brest Union of 1596. in the Commonwealth, they are also called Uniates. The Russian Orthodox Church is one of the names of the church that has existed for a very long time. There was another name - the Orthodox Catholic Eastern Greek-Russian Church - in various combinations of these words. But the words "Orthodox" and "Russian" or "Russian" have always been used.
          And in 1943, the Soviet state (not the people, not the church itself, not other local Orthodox churches, but only the USSR state!) Only officially recognized the name of the church - the Russian Orthodox Church. Well, Stalin could not agree with the name of the church, to For example, the Soviet Orthodox is generally an oxymoron. fellow And the Russian would remind of the Russian Empire ... bully
          And the name "catholic" is universal, ecumenical (not Catholic) in the church and now it is also present ... At the same time, a constituent part of the current ROC - the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia (ROCOR) received this name back in 1927 after the break of foreign hierarchs of the church from church in the USSR.
          And where does the current patriarch and the Russian gods? what Before making such statements, it would be worthwhile to familiarize yourself with the subject of discussion. yes But now it’s not too late to do it - Google will help you! hi
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  39. D. Dan
    D. Dan 31 May 2016 10: 13
    +2
    In general, I will say so. I do not pretend and am not proud, but ...
    To this day, betting on religion is highly unreasonable.
    The same "Orthodoxy". I understand there are many Orthodox Christians here, this is in the "trend" right now.
    About myself so as not to minus in vain and not grimace viciously, I will say this.
    I am a descendant of the rector of the Orthodox Church. Since childhood I read these books, my grandmother inspired, prayers, a psalter, beatings. He was going to be baptized. Then he left the army, and then generally entered into one sect, where he circled me for several years.
    Then he returned to Orthodoxy. Again I went to the temple, by the way an adequate priest got caught, we had a good conversation, thank God, they said he told me that you thought better of it.
    Well, I thought, thought and changed my mind completely.

    Who I am and what I believe in can be seen from my avatar. There are a lot of us. Believe me, more than you think. And we do not pray to stones and trees, and there is no fog in our head. Far from fog.
    The same “bible” of many Orthodox Christians was read by hardly 10%. I know from experience.
    I just learned it by heart. All 66 canon books. I examined it up and down, read from the first to the last, then from the last to the first, then in the order of writing, then first the prophetic, then the artistic parts, then first the gospels as they were written, and so on - as soon as I did not read it ... On the table were Greek word-for-word translations, a Hebrew dictionary, and serious Bible symphonies. In a word, he studied. Moreover, in different translations. From "Tanaka" to SP.
    It’s me that I’m far from being a sucker in the Bible, believe me.
    He was fond of the history of Christianity. Especially early. The first four cathedrals.
    And all sorts of nonsense about "to whom God has revealed, to whom it is given, to whom it is not given" - oh, leave these tales, be so kind.
    Everything is revealed only to the one who OPENS. And he does not wait for spiritual donation and does not pray a prayer in which through the word "GIVE-GIVE-NISPOSHLI".
    How does most.
    It was the same with the Quran. But I mastered it only in the first five suras and selectively ayah from the following suras nadergal.
    I was with the Baptists, I was with the Adventists, I talked with Hare Krishna more than once.
    And in Orthodoxy, too, I studied a lot, listened, read. There was no day that an audio lecture didn’t sound in my house or some book on a tablet didn’t mean Orthodox. That was about two years ago two years ago.

    And as a person who
    1. Knows Christianity.
    2. WAS in the temple and knows the background of the liturgical part.
    3. Not a kid and makes a conscious choice,
    I say, religion is not suitable as a state lever on the people.

    One good example. Now there is an intensive pumping of youth - they are trying to impose religiosity as they can.
    An example from real life was about a month ago. One guy 16 years old (this is our future) in the classroom found an icon in the closet. Well, he says, I think, let me show the class what the class will say.
    I take it out, he says, and exclamations from all places - "burn it" "break" "let me plug the hole in the wall, don't ruin it."
    So you say, teens, are they always like that? But no. I would tear to pieces at 16 for such a thing. And they do not care. And in our city, a powerful parish, Sunday school ... Think, believe what you want, just don’t bother with other souls, and do not advertise your religion.
    1. andj61
      andj61 31 May 2016 10: 53
      +1
      Quote: D. Dan
      To this day, betting on religion is highly unreasonable.

      Yes, now it’s impossible to rely on religion in state-building. Those in power, supporting religion and positioning themselves Orthodox, only show in this way a commitment to traditional values ​​- and more. Religious rites and religious moments in life have only the external side, the vast majority are religious in the understanding of a person who lived 100 years ago, and are not.
      In the same way, traditional Slavic cults were integrated into Orthodoxy, and into our everyday life, and continue to live in it, although we often do not even suspect it.
      Quote: D. Dan
      Now there is an intensive pumping of youth - they are trying to impose religiosity as they can.

      They are trying to somehow attach to religion, and even then only at the level of grandparents, and very unsuccessfully.
      Now we, too, like the Western countries, stand in the way of destroying the traditional way of life, and this is not good. And religion can help preserve tradition.
      Quote: D. Dan
      Who I am and what I believe in can be seen from my avatar. There are a lot of us. Believe me, more than you think. And we do not pray to stones and trees, and there is no fog in our head. Far from fog.

      On your avatar you have the sign "Aleph", the sign of Veles.
      Veles], Volos (Veles), Veles, other Russian Veles, Volos) - a deity in the old Russian pagan pantheon, “cattle god”, patron of storytellers and poetry.
      According to the theory of the “basic myth” - one of the central deities in Slavic mythology, the Serpent is the antagonist of the Thunderer of Perun.

      You are also an adherent of tradition, but earlier than Orthodoxy. And this tradition is still preserved - implicitly! - in our traditional way. M. Semyonova writes about this very popularly in her book "We are Slavs!"
      Any, including such preservation of tradition, only strengthens our way of life.
      1. Mikhail Matyugin
        Mikhail Matyugin 31 May 2016 15: 59
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        Quote: andj61
        On your avatar you have the sign "Aleph", the sign of Veles.

        He is not a fan of Veles, but a real worshiper of the devil, Satan, Iblis, etc. - for "Alpha" is a symbol of God, an inverted Alpha, and even with a triangle downward - a symbol of those who deny God.
        1. D. Dan
          D. Dan 1 June 2016 20: 29
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          Tell these tales to someone else, fellow words.
          One word, "matyugin"
      2. D. Dan
        D. Dan 1 June 2016 20: 30
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        Glad to meet an adequate person. Thank you. Bend your line and do not look at the servants of Chernobog.
    2. navigator
      navigator 31 May 2016 15: 23
      +1
      Quote: D. Dan
      I am a descendant of the rector of the Orthodox Church. Since childhood I read these books, my grandmother inspired, prayers, a psalter, beatings. He was going to be baptized. Then he left the army, and then generally joined the same sect, where he circled me for several years. Then he returned to Orthodoxy. Again he went to the temple, by the way an adequate priest got caught, they talked well, thank God, they say he told me that you thought better of it.



      Sadness: But nothing, the ancestor prays, not everything is lost for the injured descendant.
    3. navigator
      navigator 31 May 2016 15: 23
      0
      Quote: D. Dan
      I am a descendant of the rector of the Orthodox Church. Since childhood I read these books, my grandmother inspired, prayers, a psalter, beatings. He was going to be baptized. Then he left the army, and then generally joined the same sect, where he circled me for several years. Then he returned to Orthodoxy. Again he went to the temple, by the way an adequate priest got caught, they talked well, thank God, they say he told me that you thought better of it.



      Sadness: But nothing, the ancestor prays, not everything is lost for the injured descendant.
      1. D. Dan
        D. Dan 1 June 2016 20: 28
        -1
        Sadness, adnaka. Nothing is still lost for the followers of the Fathers who betrayed the faith, such as those for whom "sadness" is a person who awakened consciousness from lies.
    4. Mikhail Matyugin
      Mikhail Matyugin 31 May 2016 15: 56
      +1
      Quote: D. Dan
      I say, religion does not fit as a state lever on the people

      And where is it? I would say that categorically does not fit - religion (and there are many of them) is one thing, and the state apparatus is completely, completely different.
  40. user3970
    user3970 31 May 2016 11: 38
    -4
    But I will join D. DENU. He himself went a similar path. I want to do the experiment myself. Most of those who sit on this page consider themselves Orthodox. Okay . Everyone knows that 2 * 2 = 4. Everyone who wears a pectoral cross MUST KNOW THE "SYMBOL OF FAITH"! Who knows - minuses me, who does not know - gives me a plus. Only HONESTLY, DO NOT LOOK!
    1. D. Dan
      D. Dan 1 June 2016 20: 34
      -1
      I plus only. Thanks for the support.
      There is also such a picture where the Dalai Lama is 14 and Gundyaev. Also, they say Vera and Business.
  41. Armat
    Armat 31 May 2016 11: 41
    -1
    All comments against Putin were transmitted by me to the FSB! All of you will be prosecuted!
    1. D. Dan
      D. Dan 1 June 2016 20: 33
      0
      Nothing against Putin and does not revolt. Putin plays with the black church while he needs it. He is a very far-sighted person and will never put his "faith" above faith in his PEOPLE.
      Woe to you when you "play enough".
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    1. andj61
      andj61 31 May 2016 15: 46
      -1
      Quote: user3970
      And what exactly under the pressure of Jewish priests did the Roman governor Pontius Pilate execute Christ.

      To be precise, it is not under pressure, but according to Roman law. Insulting greatness in those days was a great crime. But the Jewish elders and high priests simply did not appeal to the procurator of Judea with a request to have mercy in honor of the feast of the peaceful prophet Jesus, who even then shook the foundations of the faith with his sermons, although Pilate himself asked them for advice. As a result, the robber of Barabbas was pardoned.
      Quote: user3970
      Have you tried to compare the meaning and ideas that are set forth in the Old Testament with the meaning and ideas in the New Testament? The book is one, the meaning and ideas are diametrically opposite!

      good So religious figures note this: in the Old Testament there is a harsh, even evil God who can demand a sacrifice in the form of a son, destroy the entire population of the earth, except for a select few, wipe out a couple of cities whose inhabitants do not correspond to the concepts of morality and good.
      And in the New Testament - a good God, who through his sufferings on the cross and his death atones for the sins of people. And it can hardly be said that the Old Testament is for internal use, and the New Testament is for the external environment. So you can agree that the Jews rule in the world.
      Of course, many Jews are constantly at the hearing, especially the last century and a half, but the fact that they own the whole world, and even created Christianity to enslave others, is still too much! 15 million Jews against almost 8 billion of the world's population - this is insignificant, even vanishingly small.
      But after fifty years, people with Chinese names will rule the world, or at least hold all financial flows in their hands. Also, the Jews should be blamed for this?
    2. navigator
      navigator 31 May 2016 16: 25
      -1
      Quote: user3970
      perched on the throne (exaltation)


      Hard to believe, who allowed him such filth? The throne is not confused with the pulpit?
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  43. user3970
    user3970 31 May 2016 20: 17
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    andj61. Repeatedly repeated: the world is ruled by capital ... The personal fortune of the Rothschilds (Jewish Levites) is 300 trillion dollars. it's not money. These are countries, governments, mineral resources, energy and other real estate, including in Russia or all of Russia. I read somewhere that the total cost of Russia is 170, 190 trillion dollars. A lot. But several families in the world (and not only the Rothschilds) can afford the luxury of "buying" Russia). There are precedents. In favor of whom does the Russian government "rule"? And who is "overseeing" the government and Russia? One should read the Old Testament more attentively and thoughtfully. Everything is written there. The program is in place and it is being executed.
    1. navigator
      navigator 31 May 2016 20: 37
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      Quote: user3970
      Carefully and thoughtfully it is necessary to read the Old Testament. Everything is written there. The program is in place and it is being implemented.


      We read carefully. Do not panic, panikovsky, God will not allow, the pig will not eat. The world behind the scenes, the Freemasons, have been puffing for centuries, but the program has not been implemented in any way. And why? Live carefully and thoughtfully.
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  44. user3970
    user3970 31 May 2016 20: 55
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    I will continue ... In order not to be a demagogue, I recommend opening the Bible. Old Testament. Deuteronomy. The book of the prophet Isaiah. Chapters 153, 6 ,, 23.19, 20 60.10, 11,12. "Slaves, obey your masters according to the flesh and with fear, in the simplicity of your heart, like Christ. Not only with visible servility, like people pleasing to people, but like servants of Christ, fulfilling the will of God from the soul. Serving with zeal, like the Lord, and not like men Knowing that everyone will receive from the Lord according to the good that he has done, a slave or a master. "The Bible. New Testament. Paul. To Euseyans ch. 6 and similarly to Colossians ch. 322.
    1. navigator
      navigator 31 May 2016 21: 06
      -1
      Quote: user3970
      I will continue ... In order not to be a demagogue I recommend opening the Bible


      Don't worry, let's open it. And if you read, then remember "what all this should be", then "that not a single hair from your head will fall" and so on. I do not want to load with Bible quotes. God rules the world, not Rothschilds with Rockefellers with the Bilderbury club, the Masonic lodges running errands.
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  45. user3970
    user3970 31 May 2016 21: 25
    +1
    Blessed is he who believes, God's servant (sheep).
    1. navigator
      navigator 31 May 2016 22: 38
      +2
      Quote: user3970
      Blessed is he who believes, God's servant (sheep).


      Amen!
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  46. Manage
    Manage 4 June 2016 07: 23
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    How ridiculous to read these ignorant comments! Christianity is one of the highest sciences. You should at least ask her before criticizing. Weakly criticized Nobel laureates in physics, chemistry and other exact sciences?