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The EU celebrates the centenary of the battle of Verdun

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In Germany and France today they remember those who died in the longest battle of the First World War, which was included in History as the Verden meat grinder, reports Bi-bi-si.




"French President Francois Hollande and German Chancellor Angela Merkel will lay mourning wreaths on the graves of those killed in the Battle of Verdun," the report said.

On the eve, Merkel said: "The invitation from France to honor the memory of those killed in this battle shows how close the relations between France and Germany have become today."

The battle lasted 10 months - from 21 February to 18 December 1916 g, about 300 thousand people died in it (the Germans lost 163 thousand, the French lost 143 thousand). The figures are approximate, historians still argue about the number of losses.

“The plan of the German Empire, which had fought on several fronts, was to put a lightning operation with the massive support of artillery to inflict maximum damage to the French army in manpower and thereby withdraw France from the war,” the newspaper reminds.

German troops launched an offensive on February 21, but the shock army of the German army was stuck on the outskirts of Verdun. "The fighting acquired a protracted nature, the parties alternately attempted breakthroughs, but could not move more than a few kilometers," the article says.

In the fall, the Germans “finally turned to defense, refusing further offensive, and by the end of December the French army regained the positions it had taken at the beginning of the year,” says the publication.

Currently, Verdun "is a symbol of reconciliation between France and Germany, so both Hollande and Merkel are expected on the memorable day to talk about the importance of the unity of Europe," writes Bi-bi-si.

"Europe, in this there is no doubt, faced with difficult challenges," - said the German Chancellor.
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  1. poquello
    poquello 29 May 2016 13: 21
    -5
    "The battle lasted 10 months"
    in, and say Estonians
    1. Pavel Tsybai
      Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 13: 29
      +6
      At least they remember, and it pleases.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 29 May 2016 13: 54
        +21
        Quote: Pavel Tsybay
        At least they remember, and it pleases.
        How can you not remember? In the First World War, these two "civilized nations" enthusiastically destroyed each other. From their point of view, this is the greatest tragedy. After all, it is one thing to jointly genocide the "subhuman Slavs", and it is another thing to massacre those close in blood and spirit. Moreover, it seems that in the battles of Verdun and the Somme, the French almost lost the passionate part of the nation. Therefore, they could not provide the Germans with worthy resistance in the Second World War. The Germans turned out to be stronger - as a result, the descendants of Frederick the Great in 1940 unconditionally defeated the descendants of Napoleon. But why the hell did France end up among the victorious countries of the Third Reich?
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 29 May 2016 14: 38
          +16
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          But just what the hell France was among the victorious countries of the Third Reich?

          And this, the namesake, is called polites negative
          The French, in spite of industry working for Germany, food supplies and the collaborationist regime of Vichy, managed to sit at the winners table negative
          1. cniza
            cniza 29 May 2016 15: 50
            +6
            Yes, De Gaulle made a fuss in time and France became a victorious country.
            1. sgazeev
              sgazeev 29 May 2016 19: 49
              +4
              Quote: cniza
              Yes, De Gaulle made a fuss in time and France became a victorious country.

              In fact, Stalin pinned his hopes on de Gaulle on the arrangement of Europe after the war and agreed to recognize the country as an anti-Hitler coalition.
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        2. sgazeev
          sgazeev 29 May 2016 19: 34
          +2
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Quote: Pavel Tsybay
          At least they remember, and it pleases.
          How can you not remember? In the First World War, these two "civilized nations" enthusiastically destroyed each other. From their point of view, this is the greatest tragedy. After all, it is one thing to jointly genocide the "subhuman Slavs", and it is another thing to massacre those close in blood and spirit. Moreover, it seems that in the battles of Verdun and the Somme, the French almost lost the passionate part of the nation. Therefore, they could not provide the Germans with worthy resistance in the Second World War. The Germans turned out to be stronger - as a result, the descendants of Frederick the Great in 1940 unconditionally defeated the descendants of Napoleon. But why the hell did France end up among the victorious countries of the Third Reich?

          They croaked over the Channel.
        3. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 30 May 2016 02: 07
          -2
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          But just what the hell France was among the victorious countries of the Third Reich?


          But what losses did the USSR suffer in the GREAT PATRIOTIC? Here is nothingness. They wanted to spit on us, but what are we?
      2. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 29 May 2016 14: 21
        +13
        Quote: Pavel Tsybay
        At least they remember, and it pleases.

        - And what pleases? The fact that Russia then took the main burden of the First World War, repeatedly helping out the allies of the Entente, but by the grace of the Bolsheviks of the same England, France and the USA, was on the verge of collapse. That’s about the help of Russia, hell, they’ll make a difference, hypocrites polished.
        1. KVIRTU
          KVIRTU 29 May 2016 22: 41
          +2
          Exactly. I would like to remind:
          “After artillery preparation, which lasted two days, the Russian troops launched an offensive. The 2nd Army south of Lake Naroch wedged into the defenses of the 10th German Army by 2-9 km.
          The enemy hardly restrained the fierce attacks of the Russian troops. But the Germans pulled significant forces to the offensive area and repelled the Russian offensive.
          The Russian and German armies suffered heavy losses.
          The German command decided that the Russians had launched a general offensive and were ready to break through the German defense, and attack on Verdun stopped for two weeks... In fact, this operation was a distraction, in the summer the German command expected the main blow on its front, and the Russian carried out the Brusilov breakthrough on the Austrian front, which brought tremendous success and put Austria-Hungary on the brink of military defeat. "
          The paddlers are ungrateful, in a word. They ..., at the cost of the lives of our soldiers, were given the opportunity to regroup, tighten up reserves, distracted the Germans, and these ...
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 30 May 2016 06: 09
            +2
            - And what pleases? The fact that Russia then took the main burden of the First World War, repeatedly helping out the allies of the Entente, but by the grace of the Bolsheviks of the same England, France and the USA, was on the verge of collapse. That’s about the help of Russia, hell, they’ll make a difference, hypocrites polished.

            In the first world war, in contrast to the second world war, the main forces of Germany were concentrated on the western front, not on the eastern. In Russia, even full mobilization was not carried out. Both human and economic. As for the "bleating" of the Entente countries about the enormous role of Russia in World War I, firstly such bleating was on the part of Churchill. And secondly, there is a cemetery in France where Russian legionnaires who died on the western front are buried. All names are preserved, monuments are in order, not a single missing person. The same cannot be said about those killed on the eastern front.
      3. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 29 May 2016 14: 22
        +9
        About our soldiers from the expeditionary force did not remember .. And they saved Paris ...
        1. misterwulf
          misterwulf 29 May 2016 15: 46
          +15
          Comrade Marshal Malinovsky was there. Another sergeant (Unter).
          Our sacrifices are sacrifices for them, and their losses.
          Lupasili from the line in direct fire even from machine guns. Not to mention artillery (very heavy). And the gas is poisoned.
          They systematically suffered "wild losses" and are now crying and taking offense at Russia.
          God be their judge. I feel sorry for the people, but they don’t remember ours near Moscow, Leningrad, in Sevastopol and Stalingrad, near Rzhev and Vyazma, in Kiev and Berlin and in other places.
          Let the dead themselves bury their dead.
        2. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 16: 16
          -4
          Quote: dmi.pris
          About our soldiers from the expeditionary force did not remember .. And they saved Paris ...

          And the Parisian taxi drivers from the common French propaganda cliché about the "Marne taxi" were not remembered. Ay-yay.
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 29 May 2016 17: 50
            +6
            They didn’t remember about taxi drivers? Well, all right .. They didn’t go on the attack, they didn’t fly on airplanes .. But our soldiers directly participated in this battle. And Pinky, you don’t have to compare soldiers and Paris taxi drivers Ai-yi .. French pilots remember ..
            Quote: Pinky F.
            Quote: dmi.pris
            About our soldiers from the expeditionary force did not remember .. And they saved Paris ...

            And the Parisian taxi drivers from the common French propaganda cliché about the "Marne taxi" were not remembered. Ay-yay.
        3. Andrey K
          Andrey K 29 May 2016 16: 25
          +13
          Quote: dmi.pris
          About our soldiers from the expeditionary force did not remember .. And they saved Paris ...

          March of the expeditionary forces of the Russian Imperial Army in Paris soldier
        4. Normal ok
          Normal ok 29 May 2016 18: 06
          +2
          Quote: dmi.pris
          About our soldiers from the expeditionary force did not remember .. And they saved Paris ...

          You're not right. Remember our warriors:
          http://vksrs.com/news/frantsiya-pomnit-voinov-russkogo-ekspeditsionnogo-korpusa-
          /
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 29 May 2016 19: 20
            +1
            I agree. But not at this event ..
            Quote: Normal ok
            Quote: dmi.pris
            About our soldiers from the expeditionary force did not remember .. And they saved Paris ...

            You're not right. Remember our warriors:
            http://vksrs.com/news/frantsiya-pomnit-voinov-russkogo-ekspeditsionnogo-korpusa-

            /
      4. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 16: 10
        -3
        Quote: Pavel Tsybay
        At least they remember, and it pleases.

        In fact, in amnesia about the Great War, neither the Germans, nor the British, nor the French were ever seen, comrade. So your phrase can most likely be attributed to us.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 29 May 2016 16: 36
          +11
          Quote: Pinky F.
          In fact, in amnesia about the Great War, neither the Germans, nor the British, nor the French were ever seen, comrade. So your phrase can most likely be attributed to us.

          Dear Pinky F, you somehow already ... cool generalize negative
          Do you know about amnesia about the Second World War with us? How does this amnesia appear massively at the state level? I simply can’t attribute your phrase to myself, or to my relatives, acquaintances and others. request
          I do not see this amnesia that you mention request
          I do not see the truth, with rare exceptions from those listed by you: "... neither the Germans, nor the British, nor the French ..." ... especially the French negative
          After all, they "fought" so fiercely that Hitler conquered France in 38 days. And even therefore, your phrase about the "Great War", in relation to this particular state, sounds monstrously clumsyrequest
          And after all they are "winners", even in the UN Security Council as a "victorious country", they are a permanent memberwassat
          I have nothing against the French, these are very nice little people. Like the British yes
          For lack of something to trump, they simply lie and invent victories for themselves. More often, just embellishing their local "yard battles" and underestimating the "meat grinder" in the East negative
          It’s wrong somehow request
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 17: 27
            -4
            Quote: Andrey K
            Do you know about amnesia about the Second World War with us?

            But what does the Second World War?
            Quote: Andrey K
            Your phrase about the "Great War", in relation to this particular state, sounds monstrously clumsy

            what? "Sloppy"? Moreover, "monstrous"? Don't tell me, dear. The war of 1914-1918 was called "Great" in Western historiography. I do not understand what is the connection with the Second World War.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 29 May 2016 17: 36
              +7
              Quote: Pinky F.
              what? "Sloppy"? Moreover, "monstrous"? Don't tell me, dear. The war of 1914-1918 was called "Great" in Western historiography. I do not understand what is the connection with the Second World War.

              Dear, I probably lost a lot and am not fond of Western historiography request
              The word "Great" in our country is applied to the Patriotic War of 1812 and the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. hi
              What is being discussed with our colleagues - The First World War (in our historiography) hi
              Since you are confused in the concepts, then initially, for people like me, who do not put "Western historiography" as an authority, would you be so kind as to put dates hi
              So that we talked about the same thing hi
              1. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 17: 51
                -1
                Quote: Andrey K
                Since you are confused in concepts

                I am not confused in anything. I talked about the war of 1914-1918 and how neither the British nor the French ever consigned it to oblivion. And offtopic "we won in World War II, but one got attached .." I think it's stupidity in this subject. Especially when you consider that such a jealous approach to the results of PMA is absolutely not suitable.
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 29 May 2016 17: 59
                  +7
                  Quote: Pinky F.
                  I am not confused in anything. I talked about the war of 1914-1918 and how neither the British nor the French ever consigned it to oblivion. And offtopic "we won in World War II, but one got attached .." I think it's stupidity in this subject. Especially when you consider that such a jealous approach to the results of PMA is absolutely not suitable.

                  The one-sided approach using Western historiographic falsification does not fit hi
                  The British and the French do not betray their oblivion - well yes
                  The fact that, at the same time, the role of the Russian Imperial Army in general in the possibility of the existence of these states is silenced is insulting negative
                  That's all, and not that, referring to "Western historiography" - to deprive Russia of a decisive role in victory request
                  1. Pinkie F.
                    Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 18: 24
                    -2
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    deprive Russia of a decisive role in victory

                    in more detail about the decisive role of the Republic of Ingushetia in the victory in the WWII do not you please state?
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 29 May 2016 18: 43
                      +5
                      Quote: Pinky F.
                      Quote: Andrey K
                      deprive Russia of a decisive role in victory

                      in more detail about the decisive role of the Republic of Ingushetia in the victory in the WWII do not you please state?


                      Yes, I would have deigned, but I will give you the opportunity to familiarize yourself with Russian and Russian historiography hi
                      And then you will then be uninteresting yes
                      I recommend you the works of participants in those events: M.V. Frunze and M.N. Tukhachevsky, very informative. You can read A.A. Kersnovsky - this is generally what is called a view from emigration hi
                      1. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 19: 40
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        get acquainted with domestic, Russian historiography ... I recommend you the works of participants in those events: M.V. Frunze and M.N. Tukhachevsky

                        And since when did memoirs become historiography, my dear?
                      2. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 29 May 2016 20: 42
                        +5
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        get acquainted with domestic, Russian historiography ... I recommend you the works of participants in those events: M.V. Frunze and M.N. Tukhachevsky

                        And since when did memoirs become historiography, my dear?

                        Now minus you, from merequest
                        Dearest, before asking a gl ... hmm ... unprofessional question, check out the term "historiography" request
                        And I wrote to you that these Great people were engaged in historiography request
                        They are not historians, they are participants in the events described. Do you feel the difference? request
                        Dear, I’ll stop contacting you like this if you don’t stop flooding negative
                        Do not betray your fabrications - for my words, ugly negative
                        By the way: domestic historiography, in studies of this period of time, also used the above works hi
                        Read it, do not be lazy, maybe in the future you will refer to Russian science, and not to "Western fantasies" negative
                      3. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 20: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        these great people were engaged in historiography

                        "Great"? Oh well.
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        they are participants in the events described.

                        below you have been answered.
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        if you do not stop flood

                        well, you know, my dear ... This is too much. Either you do not understand the meaning of this term, or you think your mentoring mentality, peeped with emoticons and not far-fetched advice, is the ultimate truth. Hey.
                      4. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 29 May 2016 21: 23
                        +5
                        Pinky F. The Great Ones? Oh well..."
                        Do you put yourself above famous generals? Oh well negative
                        ... below they answered you ...
                        The answer is superficial. See comment for answer too negative
                        ... well, you know, my dear ... This is too much. Or you do not understand the meaning of this term ...
                        Flood (from the English flood - flood) is a way of conducting discussions on the Internet, when the participants in the discussion, instead of normal argumentation, essentially make long speeches, distracting from the essence of the topic under discussion hi
                        You do not say a word on the topic to which I have repeatedly tried to return you - about the role of the Imperial Army in WWI, you are in general and incomprehensible based on "Western historiography" negative
                        Dear, you first would have known yours, before referring to Western datanegative
                        ... or consider your mentor mentality, peppered with emoticons and narrow-minded advice, the ultimate truth. Hi...
                        But this is already outright rudeness request
                        NOT respected, it is not your business to judge "distant or near-by advice", especially since I politely advised you to read the works of a million times more respected people than Western false historians and you personally negative
                        Regarding emoticons - I can do without your comments laughing
                        Stop flooding and speak out on the topic, the truth is somewhere nearby, and not "in the last resort" laughing
                        Hi hi
                      5. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 21: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        illustrious generals?

                        deep. The illustrious General M.V. Frunze, who has not fought a day in the Imperialist? Very practical advice - to draw something from his memoirs
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        about the role of the Imperial Army in WWI,
                        .
                      6. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 29 May 2016 21: 46
                        +5
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        deep. The illustrious General M.V. Frunze, who has not fought a day in the Imperialist? Very practical advice - to draw something from his memoirs

                        Good, open a story, preferably written in our state.
                        Even worse, you can open Wikipedia. Maybe after that you stop writing nonsense ...
                        Good luck laughing
              2. DV69
                DV69 29 May 2016 23: 01
                -2
                Quote: Pinky F.
                Quote: Andrey K
                get acquainted with domestic, Russian historiography ... I recommend you the works of participants in those events: M.V. Frunze and M.N. Tukhachevsky

                And since when did memoirs become historiography, my dear?

                Respected! If you forgot, memoirs always belonged to historical sources.
              3. DV69
                DV69 29 May 2016 23: 20
                +1
                And historiography is an interpretation of historical sources.
          2. family tree
            family tree 29 May 2016 19: 51
            +1
            Quote: Andrey K
            I recommend you the works of participants in those events: M.V. Frunze and M.N. Tukhachevsky,

            Not, cho, normal eyewitnesses, Vasilich was engaged in the whole rear, like, but Nikolayevich, from the fifteenth, escaped from captivity for two years and still escaped. request what
          3. Andrey K
            Andrey K 29 May 2016 21: 09
            +6
            Quote: perepilka
            Not, cho, normal eyewitnesses, Vasilich was engaged in the whole rear, like, but Nikolayevich, from the fifteenth, escaped from captivity for two years and still escaped. request what

            And the logistical support of the belligerent army, not service, no? And the second was taken prisoner without serving a day? He earned several military orders, probably on the "distribution was" laughing
            And in the same "despised" captivity, in Fort No. 9 of the Ingolstadt fortress, there was another "normal eyewitness" with him - Charles de Gaulle laughing
            We will go far with such considerations. request
          4. family tree
            family tree 30 May 2016 11: 07
            +1
            Quote: Andrey K
            And the rear support of the warring army, not a service, no? And the second was captured not having served a day?

            And the rear service, and captivity, not a shame even once. And in general, I respect these uncles, therefore, by patronymic. Only, here they are in strategy in Civil, with a full answer, and First, memoirs, yeah, I would remember myself after the green caps, although yes, do not judge by yourself, they were teetotalers what
          5. Andrey K
            Andrey K 30 May 2016 14: 57
            +6
            Quote: perepilka
            And the rear service, and captivity, not a shame even once. And in general, I respect these uncles, therefore, by patronymic. Only, here they are in strategy in Civil, with a full answer, and First, memoirs, yeah, I would remember myself after the green caps, although yes, do not judge by yourself, they were teetotalers what

            I cannot judge their professionalism in WWI, but ... My friend - the memoirs of these two officers, outweigh all the historical "delights" of Western "historiography". I think you will agree with me yes
          6. family tree
            family tree 30 May 2016 19: 22
            +1
            Quote: Andrey K
            memoirs of these two officers,

            At the expense of the memoirs, so Anton Ivanovich Denikin passed both Russian-Japanese and was closer to the rate.
          7. Andrey K
            Andrey K 30 May 2016 21: 36
            +5
            Quote: perepilka
            At the expense of the memoirs, so Anton Ivanovich Denikin passed both Russian-Japanese and was closer to the rate.

            I recommended three to my opponent - to read, to get acquainted. Denikin did not load good
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 29 May 2016 19: 09
    +1
    Listen, Pink Floyd .. Let's remember December 1944 and January 45 — how did the allies feel? What saved them? Paton's army or the Vistula-Oder operation Tell me, did the Americans save? Well, then you and I live at different poles .. I’m in the Kuban, well, and you’re probably in Canada .. In 1914, the Germans stood a step away from taking Paris .. It broke, the imperial army launched an offensive in Prussia. I had to Kaiser to transfer forces there. And so almost the whole war
    Quote: Pinky F.
    Quote: Andrey K
    deprive Russia of a decisive role in victory

    in more detail about the decisive role of the Republic of Ingushetia in the victory in the WWII do not you please state?
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 19: 29
      -1
      Quote: dmi.pris
      .Let's remember December1944 and January 45g-how did the Allies feel?

      no need to "give" - ​​with what fright "remember" events that are thirty years ahead of the subject? laughing
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 29 May 2016 18: 03
    +2
    At that time in the Russian Empire this war was called the Second World War ...
    Quote: Andrey K
    Quote: Pinky F.
    what? "Sloppy"? Moreover, "monstrous"? Don't tell me, dear. The war of 1914-1918 was called "Great" in Western historiography. I do not understand what is the connection with the Second World War.

    Dear, I probably lost a lot and am not fond of Western historiography request
    The word "Great" in our country is applied to the Patriotic War of 1812 and the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945. hi
    What is being discussed with our colleagues - The First World War (in our historiography) hi
    Since you are confused in the concepts, then initially, for people like me, who do not put "Western historiography" as an authority, would you be so kind as to put dates hi
    So that we talked about the same thing hi
    1. Andrey K
      Andrey K 29 May 2016 18: 28
      +5
      Quote: dmi.pris
      At that time in the Russian Empire this war was called the Second World War ...

      Yes, they called it differently - in the people it was called Imperialist, German, but not Great, about which a respected colleague inspires us request
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 18: 42
        -1
        Quote: Andrey K
        but not the Great one, about which a respected colleague inspires us

        I do not inspire anything to anyone. There are enough terms. I chose "Great", you like "Second Patriotic War". What is the problem? That someone's vocabulary is different from yours?
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 29 May 2016 19: 06
          +5
          Quote: Pinky F.
          I do not inspire anything to anyone. There are enough terms. I chose "Great", you like "Second Patriotic War". What is the problem? That someone's vocabulary is different from yours?

          Yes, I am generally not interested in how "Western historiography" turned your mind over request
          We are in Russia with you, and you can read the "Western historiography" to get acquainted, but I would not oppose it to the domestic one, it does not deserve trust ... absolutely request
  • Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 29 May 2016 21: 27
    +2
    Western "civilized" do not suffer from amnesia!?! Yeah, right now, what about the 2 Germans who died in the expulsion of 000 Germans from Poland and Czechoslovakia after the spring of 0000? They were both the Poles and the Czechs perly, robbed, killed, trampled, and now at the government level all organizations trying to erect memorials, in general, open their mouths on this topic, such obstacles that few people know about it. It is clear that they were driven for the cause in the majority - all they were in the case of the Nazis.
  • kotvov
    kotvov 29 May 2016 17: 52
    +2
    At least they remember, and it pleases. ,,
    they remember that, but they apparently forgot about the 2nd world. with what servility they try to rewrite the hegemon in glory.
  • sgazeev
    sgazeev 29 May 2016 19: 32
    +1
    Quote: Pavel Tsybay
    At least they remember, and it pleases.

    Let them remember, forget to recall.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 19: 47
      -2
      Quote: sgazeev
      Let them remember, forget to recall.

      this is how you got together "if anything" to remind Europe of the First World War? Conclude a New Brest Peace?
  • Finches
    Finches 29 May 2016 14: 22
    +16
    And I, in turn, want to remind the allies that they did not budge when a year earlier the Russian army retreated, suffering heavy losses and needed help. But in 1916, when the Germans launched a massive offensive, the French and Italians, the Austro-Hungarians killed them, demanded that the Russians attack, in order, among other things, to pull the German forces from their Verdun. For example, the British sent the French to such a request. ... Now we have a brilliant offensive operation that went down in world history as the "Brusilov Breakthrough" (beginning on May 22, 1916), and they, the stupid "Verdun meat grinder"!

    And if we recall the beginning of the war, when Samsonov’s 2nd Army in Prussia completely died while saving Paris, then this is where Hollande should lay flowers in the swamps of the Masurian Lakes, to the glory of the Russian army!
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 29 May 2016 15: 38
      +7
      Quote: Finches
      that's where Hollande should lay flowers now - in the swamps of the Masurian lakes
      Hollande is just right now to lay flowers on the grave of Belle France with her "liberte, egalite, fraternite" (remember the slogan of the Great French Revolution?) - after all, the beautiful Marianne in a Phrygian cap lay under the disgusting goat-bearded Uncle Sam. Verdun's heroes are now turning over in their grave ...
      1. Finches
        Finches 29 May 2016 16: 05
        +3
        It seems to me that the basis of such a present humiliating situation in France is precisely defeat in the war with Hitler! After all, the political elite of France actively worked together with the Anglo-Saxons to establish Nazi Germany, but then was treacherously left to the mercy of fate by cunning Anglo-Saxons and eventually became the loser and now France is forced to pose in a position in front of Uncle Sam, paying off debts for successful landing of allies in Normandy! And although de Gaulle tried to restore the French national identity, he was quickly removed and now "beautiful France" - just a territory of comfortable living, and "lovely Marianne" attendants for sovereigns from overseas! This is a stereotype of the political leadership of the 5th republic - to obey shouts from overseas!
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 17: 52
          -7
          Quote: Finches
          It seems to me that at the heart of such a current humiliating situation in France

          and what is the humiliating situation?
          1. dmi.pris
            dmi.pris 29 May 2016 18: 07
            +4
            Lack of one’s own policy isn’t it a matter of humiliation?
            Quote: Pinky F.
            Quote: Finches
            It seems to me that at the heart of such a current humiliating situation in France

            and what is the humiliating situation?
            1. Pinkie F.
              Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 20: 43
              -3
              Quote: dmi.pris
              Lack of one’s own policy isn’t humiliation?

              Do they need her?
              Quote: dmi.pris
              Alas, Hollande is far from De Gaulle.

              this boar is not even Mitterrand or Sarkozy. The genome of political impotence will kill France. laughing
              1. Finches
                Finches 29 May 2016 21: 03
                +1
                I think that - the real French need it! After all "France cannot be France without greatness!" once de Gaulle said! But I think that you can safely look back centuries when France was truly an independent state!
    2. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 29 May 2016 17: 06
      +4
      Quote: Finches
      And I, in turn, want to remind the allies that they did not budge when a year earlier the Russian army retreated, suffering heavy losses and needed help. But in 1916, when the Germans launched a massive offensive, the French and Italians, the Austro-Hungarians killed them, demanded that the Russians attack, in order, among other things, to pull the German forces from their Verdun. For example, the British sent the French to such a request. ... Now we have a brilliant offensive operation that went down in world history as the "Brusilov Breakthrough" (beginning on May 22, 1916), and they, the stupid "Verdun meat grinder"!

      And if we recall the beginning of the war, when Samsonov’s 2nd Army in Prussia completely died while saving Paris, then this is where Hollande should lay flowers in the swamps of the Masurian Lakes, to the glory of the Russian army!

      Well, what? Normal Europractice since the time of Paul the 1st. One passage Suvorov through the Alps is worth it!
      In short, God save you from such allies, and we will deal with enemies ourselves. Tea is not the first time.
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 29 May 2016 18: 50
    +1
    In Germany and France today they remember those who died in the longest battle of the First World War, which entered History as the “Verdun meat grinder,” reports Bi-bi-si.
    The battle lasted 10 months - from 21 February to 18 December 1916 g, about 300 thousand people died in it (the Germans lost 163 thousand, the French lost 143 thousand). The figures are approximate, historians still argue about the number of losses.
    but THEY DID NOT HEAR ABOUT THIS ??? - Previous Entry Share Next Entry
    BATTLE FOR MOSCOW. STATISTICS


    MOSCOW STRATEGIC DEFENSE OPERATION
    September 30 - December 5, 1941

    It was carried out by the troops of the Western, Reserve, Bryansk and Kalinin fronts. During the fighting, the Soviet troops additionally included: the Kalinin Front Directorate, the 1st Shock, 5th, 10th and 16th Armies, 34 divisions and 40 brigades. Within the framework of this operation, the Oryol-Bryansk, Vyazemskaya, Mozhaisk-Maloyaroslavets, Kalinin, Tula, Klinsko-Solnechnogorsk and Naro-Fominsk front-line defensive operations were carried out.

    Duration - 67 days. The width of the front of hostilities is 700-1110 km. The depth of retreat of Soviet troops is 250-300 km. The operation marked the beginning of the battle for Moscow and was its first stage.

    1. The combat strength, the number of troops of the Red Army and casualties:

    Western Front (2.10-5.12.41). G.-p. Konev - 558.000 people Irrecoverable losses - 254.726 people, sanitary - 55.514 people. In total - 310.240 people. The average daily - 4.700 people.

    Reserve Front (2.10-12.10.41 g.). m. Budyonny - 448.000 people. Irrecoverable losses - 127.566 people, sanitary - 61.195 people. In total - 188.761 people. The average daily rate is 15.730 people.

    Bryansk Front (30.9-10.11.41 g.) - Eremenko - 244.000 people. Irrecoverable losses - 103.378 people, sanitary - 6.537 people. In total - 109.915 people. The average daily - 2.617 people.

    TOTAL: 1.250.000 people Losses (taking into account losses of the Kalinin Front (20.10/5.12.41/514.338/41,1/143.941) Irretrievable losses - 658.279 people. (9.825%), sanitary - XNUMX people. In total - XNUMX people. The average daily rate is XNUMX people.

    The number of military equipment of the Red Army:

    Guns and mortars - 7.600 units.
    Tanks and self-propelled guns - 990 units.
    Aircraft - 677 units.

    2. The number of troops of the Wehrmacht - 1.750.000 people.

    The number of military equipment:

    Guns and mortars - 13.680 units.
    Tanks and self-propelled guns - 1.683 units.
    Aircraft - 1.354 * units.

    * - From July 21, 1941 to April 1942, a total of 8600 aircraft participated in raids on Moscow. Of these, 1392 were shot down. 234 broke through directly to the city.

    3. Aspect ratio (RKKA: Wehrmacht):

    Personnel - 1: 1,4
    Guns and mortars - 1: 1,8
    Tanks and self-propelled guns - 1: 1,7
    Aircraft - 1: 2
    (just wondering, have you heard or not ... if Verdun’s 300 meat grinder, then what, the Battle of Moscow?
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 29 May 2016 20: 08
      +1
      At the end of October 1941, the French legion was sent to the Soviet-German front. The regiment included two battalions, and Colonel Roger Labonn, the former military attache of France in Turkey, was appointed its commander.
      According to the German nomenclature, the regiment was assigned No. 638 and it was sent to the VII Army Corps operating in the Moscow direction. The total number of regiments at that time was 3852 people, of which 1400 Frenchmen were at the Debitz training ground, where the formation of the III battalion took place, and 181 officers and 2271 lower ranks (I and II battalions) were at the front. The road to the front was difficult for the French, frost pursued them, as a result of this, even before joining the battle, the number of the legion decreased by almost 500 people, due to frostbitten and severely ill ranks. The corps command gave French volunteers the 7th Infantry Division. At the end of November 1941, the regiment was located 80 km from Moscow in the villages of New Mikhailovskoye and Golovkovo (regiment headquarters). For combat use, the French battalions were assigned to 19 and 61 regiments of the division. On November 24, I battalion was advanced to the front to the village of Dyakovo, the daytime temperature by this time had dropped to -20. On December 1, part I of the battalion receives an order to go on the attack at the position of the 32nd Siberian Rifle Division at Dyakovo. We must remember. fool
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 29 May 2016 13: 28
    +1
    Defense means have repeatedly surpassed defense means. Hence such a monstrous meat grinder + standing still
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 29 May 2016 13: 29
    +18
    Ordinary soldiers are always a pity. Not for that, their mothers gave birth and dad threw them into heaven. The Russian Expeditionary Force fought in France, although it doesn’t matter where fate befalls you. A living example is that monstrous victims do not stop the politicians and, after a couple of decades, the politicians drove again their peoples in the trenches where there were even more victims. Contemporaries wrote well about the First World War. About all this filth and senselessness ...
    P.S. Although at Verdun commemorative events, Poroshenko did without a sputter of Europe.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 29 May 2016 14: 09
      +5
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Although at Verdun commemorative events, Poroshenko did without a sputter of Europe.
      The heroes of present-day Ukraine - Galician Sich Riflemen - Makovka Mountain were heroically defended from Russian barbarians. This is undoubtedly much cooler than Verdun! Therefore, Poroshenko, as a very tactful person, did not consider it necessary to point out to his European friends the incompatibility of some small Verdun battle with the epic Makovsky epic. But from this Ukraine will not cease to be the savior of Europe, right?
      Oh, and Don Pedroo is the "savior" of Europe or her "drinker"? From the word "solder"? laughing
      1. Karasik
        Karasik 29 May 2016 15: 32
        +5
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Heroes of modern Ukraine - Galician Sich archers

        In Kiev, not so long ago (within the framework of decommunization), Artem Street was renamed into Sichovykh Streltsy Street. The fact is that in Ukrainian "slash" is "urine". Now that's what I call it - Urine Archers Street. And not only me wassat
      2. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 29 May 2016 17: 09
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Although at Verdun commemorative events, Poroshenko did without a sputter of Europe.
        The heroes of present-day Ukraine - Galician Sich Riflemen - Makovka Mountain were heroically defended from Russian barbarians. This is undoubtedly much cooler than Verdun! Therefore, Poroshenko, as a very tactful person, did not consider it necessary to point out to his European friends the incompatibility of some small Verdun battle with the epic Makovsky epic. But from this Ukraine will not cease to be the savior of Europe, right?
        Oh, and Don Pedroo is the "savior" of Europe or her "drinker"? From the word "solder"? laughing

        But how to drink, how to sleep! Real Nachtigall
        Source: http://rus.ans4.com/1774959/kak-po-nemetski-solovey/
  • Abbra
    Abbra 29 May 2016 13: 30
    +4
    Jokes, jokes, but 300 thousand men were killed. The question is - in the name of what?
    1. poquello
      poquello 29 May 2016 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: Abbra
      Jokes, jokes, but 300 thousand men were killed. The question is - in the name of what?

      oh, and the Nazis how many died in WWII, it’s especially a pity for those who organized concentration camps, oh such ventures
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 16: 18
        -6
        Quote: poquello
        oh, and the Nazis how many died in WWII, it’s especially a pity for those who organized concentration camps, oh such ventures

        this is what blurted out?
        1. poquello
          poquello 29 May 2016 22: 48
          0
          Quote: Pinky F.
          Quote: poquello
          oh, and the Nazis how many died in WWII, it’s especially a pity for those who organized concentration camps, oh such ventures

          it to what blurted out?

          to the previous comment, click on the arrow that is up and lo and behold, a post appears to which the answer relates
          Quote: Abbra
          Jokes, jokes, but 300 thousand men were killed. The question is - in the name of what?

          I’m completely fooled by 300 thousand mediocre peasants dumbly killed by their command when pretzels marching in friendly countries with fascist uniforms and fascist symbols
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 29 May 2016 13: 31
    +6
    ... "Look at how close our relationship has become!"
    As always, everything is simple at the gentlemen of politicians! A complete idyll, and 300.000 people laid their heads!
    Or take it from us - millions of people died in the "Second World War", then Humpback came and after him Yeltsin (of course, their associates), they sold everything, gave everything, in short, they lost everything. Abomination! Sorry for the common soldiers!
  • Pirogov
    Pirogov 29 May 2016 13: 31
    +3
    Yes, not those Tsar Father supported, arrogant and francs, thank and thank, Russia, that .. for all ententes covered everyone ......
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 May 2016 14: 34
      +4
      Rasputin sklonjal Nikolaja k sojuzu s Vilgelmom ... Za cto i byl ubit 5 kolonnoj ... I vse skazki pro nego-bessovestnaja informacionnaja vojna byla po ocerneniju ego obraza ... Nicego ne napominaet? Pavel Pervyjjoluz sklon .., zakoncil kak Rasputin ... Pro MI-6 nicego plohogo skazat ne mogu, horoscho rabotajut!
  • Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 29 May 2016 13: 33
    +7
    Well, if the Battle of Verdun is celebrated, why not celebrate the anniversaries of the end of World War II, in which many more people died. Well, probably because Russia played a decisive role in the destruction of fascism.
    1. RUSIVAN
      RUSIVAN 29 May 2016 14: 01
      +3
      Because the "Dark Lord of the Sith" from America did not allow his colonialists to celebrate the end of World War II ...
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 29 May 2016 14: 16
      +12
      World War II is celebrated in Western Europe, grandiose and pompously. The most solemn and beautiful events are held in France,WHY THAT request ...
      But Prague on May 9 of our time ----- as you can see, the American "comrades" feel at ease here. Maybe they have already rewritten history and during the Prague offensive operation, Patton's tankers were the first to break into the city with the crew of Brad Peet, and not the head patrol 63 XNUMXst Guards Chelyabinsk Tank Brigade of three tanks under the command of the Guard platoon commander, Lieutenant Lieutenant Burakov?
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 16: 27
        -3
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        World War II in Western Europe is celebrated, grandiose and with fanfare.

        So what's next? Which side is it to Verdun? And in our country "victory in the First World War" is not celebrated "grandly and with pomp", since we are not among the winners.
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 29 May 2016 17: 12
          +8
          Quote: Pinky F.
          So what's next? Which side is it to Verdun? And in our country "victory in the First World War" is not celebrated "grandly and with pomp", since we are not among the winners.

          Someone should appoint us a winner? negative
          Or we simply, ourselves, without instructions, should remember our heroes yes
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 17: 36
            -1
            Quote: Andrey K
            Someone should appoint us a winner?

            Why on earth? Once again: in that we were not victors in the war.
            Quote: Andrey K
            Or we simply, ourselves, without instructions, should remember our heroes

            Yes, thank God, they remembered after so many years of oblivion. In our history, WWI has always been a stepdaughter in the shadow of the Second World War. This, I think, is not fair. Although, of course, it is understandable.
            1. Andrey K
              Andrey K 29 May 2016 17: 44
              +7
              Quote: Pinky F.
              Quote: Andrey K
              Someone should appoint us a winner?

              Why on earth? Once again: in that we were not victors in the war.

              And who said, or appointed, us in that war "not winners" negative
              What are you about hi
              At the direction of Ulyanov and the Bolshevik camarilla, they did not officially recall negative
              It was unprofitable to stick out the merits of the Russian Imperial Army ... negative
              And where are they, the merits and the "eastern meat grinder", suddenly evaporated negative
              Or is it written in "Western historiography"? negative
              1. Pinkie F.
                Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 18: 18
                -1
                Quote: Andrey K
                What are you about
                It was unprofitable to stick out the merits of the Russian Imperial Army ...

                why push them out, if as a result the front collapsed, the army rotted from the inside and the processes of "yeast in a jerk" began?
                Quote: Andrey K
                Or is it written in "Western historiography"?

                read the domestic. The heroic splint is wonderful, but everything has merged from the world stage onto the periphery of civil strife. So the search for your place among the winners in WWI is very difficult due to the events of February 17th and subsequent ones. The logic of that time does little to fit into the textbook concepts of "victory".
                1. Andrey K
                  Andrey K 29 May 2016 18: 58
                  +6
                  Quote: Pinky F.

                  why push them out, if as a result the front collapsed, the army rotted from the inside and the processes of "yeast in a jerk" began?

                  Two to your history teacher and five "Western historiography" along with Marxist-Leninist propaganda request
                  The front did not "collapse" by itself, before the ridge of Kaiser's Germany "collapsed" there was thoroughly worn out good
                  And the Bolshevik story with German-Japanese "help", with the "collapsed" front, fraternization and other things, leave the heroism of the Imperial Army outside the brackets yes
                  Quote: Pinky F.
                  read the domestic. The heroic splint is wonderful, but everything has merged from the world stage onto the periphery of civil strife. So the search for your place among the winners in WWI is very difficult due to the events of February 17th and subsequent ones. The logic of that time does little to fit into the textbook concepts of "victory".

                  Nobody imposes heroic splint on you (if you haven't noticed), unlike your "Western historiography". I am glad for you that you know her so well, I have enough of the information that I was invested at the university in my student years and in my family. My great-grandfathers fought in both Japanese and German yes
                  Your phrase about "looking for a place among the winners" is completely out of place, as well as the fact that you have involved the civil war here. Everything is clear - in the "heap" it looks more effective, but ... This is not professional, I am talking with you about the role of the Imperial Army on the front line, and not how they tried to erase the memory of the people here and in the West negative
                  And the winner is not the one who stole the victory, but the one who secured it good
                  1. Pinkie F.
                    Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 19: 23
                    -1
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    Two to your history teacher

                    just give without mentoring. I see that it’s not for you to rate.
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    And the Bolshevik story with German-Japanese "help", with the "collapsed" front, fraternization and other things, leave the heroism of the Imperial Army outside the brackets

                    Yes, of course, let's set brackets and accents, dying out what we don’t like, scrape off the slag, shame, setbacks and dullness of command and get the picture of the pink-cheeked hero-winner, beloved by many, without fear and reproach.
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    You got a civil war here too.

                    well, let's proceed from your personal historiography. So - the dates Russian First World War (imperialist, German, World War II, etc.) sound, please. As I understand it, it consists entirely of the brilliant victories of the RA and ends on the border of the chaos of revolutions and the Great War. Then everything is the damned Bolsheviks and the Entente.
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    This is not professional

                    and I, unlike, apparently, an amateur from you.
                    Quote: Andrey K
                    And the winner is not the one who stole the victory, but the one who secured it

                    A curtain. Russia won the First World War. It is professional.
                    1. Andrey K
                      Andrey K 29 May 2016 19: 47
                      +5
                      Quote: Pinky F.
                      just give without mentoring. I see that it’s not for you to rate.

                      Well, based on knowledge of domestic history, I can give two marks to the one who taught you I can laughing
                      Moreover, to "Western" historians, I put five laughing
                      See - harsh, but fair laughing
                      Quote: Pinky F.
                      Yes, of course, let's set brackets and accents, dying out what we don’t like, scrape off the slag, shame, setbacks and dullness of command and get the picture of the pink-cheeked hero-winner, beloved by many, without fear and reproach.

                      And let's, in the context of the article, talk about the stupidity of the Entente command - British, French, American stupidity and cowardice fellow
                      Or, in the historiography of the West, the "popular" dull, tired of winning - British, French? request
                      There was enough slag and failures everywhere, but we are talking about the role of the Imperial Army in the battle with Germany in the WWI, and not about the nuances of how victories were won. Is not it? The cowardice of the allies outweighs all the failures and stupidity of certain individuals of the Republic of Armenia yes
                      Quote: Pinky F.
                      well, let's proceed from your personal historiography. So - the dates Russian First World War (imperialist, German, World War II, etc.) sound, please. As I understand it, it entirely consists of the brilliant victories of the RA and ends on the border of the chaos of revolutions and the Great War. Then everything is damned Bolsheviks and the Entente

                      I did not focus on who is to blame, if you did not notice, there were defeats, there were victories. Everything else, you understood me correctly yes
                      Quote: Pinky F.
                      and I, unlike, apparently, an amateur from you.

                      Your personal qualities are not discussed and do not discuss, do not exacerbate hi
                      Quote: Pinky F.
                      A curtain. Russia won the First World War. It is professional.

                      Do not professionally underestimate the role of Russia and its Imperial Army. It’s not the first time I’ve been arguing. On this let me give you time to chat with other colleagues hi
                      1. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 20: 10
                        -1
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        And let's, in the context of the article, talk about the stupidity of the Entente command - British, French, American stupidity and cowardice

                        Let's. There is enough material on this topic. One thing stands in the way - they are, whatever one may say, the winners - whether formally, as you say, "stealing" the victory, or deservedly - but this is so, this is a historical reality. We were not at Versailles.
                      2. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 29 May 2016 20: 27
                        +5
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        Let's. There is enough material on this topic. One thing stands in the way - they are, whatever one may say, the winners - whether formally, as you say, "stealing" the victory, or deservedly - but this is so, this is a historical reality. We were not at Versailles.

                        I’ll say more about horror ... wassat
                        The German Surrender Act was signed on May 7 request
                        Favorite western fun - pull the blanket over yourself negative
                        А presence, as witness the signing of the act, the commander-in-chief of the "French army" General Delatre de Tassigny - gave rise to declare France one of the victor countries negative
                        And only at the request of Stalin, on May 8, in the suburb of Berlin Karlshorst, a second signing of surrender took place good
                        If it were not for this, you would now also, referring to "Western historiography", prove that formally or not, the USSR was not among the winners negative
                        Colleague, no longer interesting negative
                        I repeat and finish here: The winner is not the one who stole the victory, but the one who secured it good
                      3. Pinkie F.
                        Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 20: 48
                        -1
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        If it were not for this, you would now also, referring to "Western historiography", prove that formally or not, the USSR was not among the winners

                        In Reims, Susloparov signed. So everything was official, and
                        Quote: Andrey K
                        USSR among the winners
                        was, do not distort.
                      4. Andrey K
                        Andrey K 29 May 2016 21: 39
                        +5
                        Quote: Pinky F.

                        In Reims, Susloparov signed. So everything was official, and

                        Two now to you negative
                        Wikipedia will not write clever, Susloparov arbitrarily signed this paper, with a reservation about the possibility of re-signing. And after the ban came from Moscow, a re-signing of the act was appointed request
                        Quote: Pinky F.
                        was, do not distort

                        You have nothing more to do, like verbiage? Do not pull phrases out of context and do not answer a question that you were not asked negative
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 29 May 2016 17: 22
    0
    So that's the point!
    We fought in the First World War, not the winners.
    And France did not fight in World War II (just don’t say that this is a war
    "France declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939, but did not conduct hostilities. By May 10, 1940, 93 French divisions, 10 British divisions and 1 Polish division were deployed in northeastern France. Germany held on the border with the Netherlands, Belgium and France 89 divisions.
    On May 10, 1940, German troops crossed the border of the Netherlands and Belgium. On the same day, French troops entered Belgium. Directly on the German-French border, no hostilities were fought. The first clash of German and French troops occurred on May 13 in Belgium. On the same day, German troops crossed the Belgian-French border.
    On May 25, Commander-in-Chief of the French Armed Forces, General Weygand announced at a government meeting that the Germans should be asked to accept surrender.
    On June 8, German troops reached the Seine River. On June 10, the French government moved from Paris to the Orleans area. Paris was officially declared an open city. On the morning of June 14, German troops entered Paris.
    On June 17, the French government asked Germany for an armistice. On June 24, 1940, France surrendered to Germany. "https://touch.otvet.mail.ru/question/59550932".), and the winners!
    You must be able, however!
  • Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 29 May 2016 17: 14
    0
    "The Second World War is celebrated in Western Europe, grandiosely and with pomp. The most solemn and beautiful events are held in France, WHY request ..."
    Duc himself does not praise himself, no one will remember.
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 29 May 2016 13: 39
    +2
    Future soldiers of Verdun-3 wink
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 29 May 2016 14: 24
      -1
      Quote: samarin1969
      Future soldiers of Verdun-3 wink

      Why the future, in Syria is now a meat grinder worse than Verdun.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 16: 31
        -1
        Quote: razmik72
        in Syria, now the meat grinder is worse than Verdun.

        do not exaggerate.
  • Monos
    Monos 29 May 2016 13: 45
    +4
    The Germans are some masochists. Another defeat is celebrated. And what kind of fate is this among the people?
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 May 2016 14: 38
      +4
      U nih vybora net segodnja.Poka net, oni zdut momenta ...
      1. Monos
        Monos 29 May 2016 15: 43
        +5
        Quote: Karlovar
        U nih vybora net segodnja.Poka net, oni zdut momenta ...


        So every time like this: wait for the moment, arrange a massacre, rake up shafts, and then for a long time they are perplexed and mourned.
        1. HERMES
          HERMES 29 May 2016 18: 50
          +1
          Quote: Monos
          So every time like this: wait for the moment, arrange a massacre, rake up shafts, and then for a long time they are perplexed and mourned.


          They rake it up ... and how many "shafts" do everyone else rake when the Germans participate in the war? The Germans lost war after war ... but why is it still considered the most powerful power in Europe. From catastrophic devastation and losses they recovered so quickly when like another nation would recover for decades.
          1. Monos
            Monos 29 May 2016 20: 25
            +5
            Quote: HERMES
            They recovered from catastrophic devastation and losses as quickly as when another nation would recover for decades.


            Already in the 1947 year, the industrial potential of the USSR was fully restored, and in the 1950 year it grew more than 2 times in relation to the pre-war 1940 year. None of the countries affected by the war by this time even reached the pre-war level, despite powerful financial injections from the United States.

            Prices for basic foodstuffs, during the post-war 5 years in the USSR, fell more than 2 times, while in the largest countries these prices increased, and in some even 2 more than times.
            This is, sorry, statistics. It is necessary to operate with numbers, not emotions.
  • Obolensky
    Obolensky 29 May 2016 13: 47
    +1
    Western Europe has never lived peacefully. Always fought, always shared something. First kings and emperors. Then the politicians of different stripes. And ordinary people suffer. They may not want to fight. But they are still forced by all sorts of politicians. After all, only because of the ambitions of these politicians are all wars unleashed.

    And remember, this is good. Only these people cannot be returned. As in any war.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 29 May 2016 13: 52
    +8
    Quote: Monos
    The Germans are some masochists. Another defeat is celebrated. And what kind of fate is this among the people?

    Yes, they do not celebrate, but remember the fallen. A soldier in any war is a man, not a trench louse.
    1. Karlovar
      Karlovar 29 May 2016 14: 41
      +3
      U Solovjova odin poziloj nemec skazal, cto nemcy 9Maja otmecajut (po-tihomu) kak den traura, pozornogo porazenija ...
    2. Monos
      Monos 29 May 2016 14: 48
      +6
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Yes, they do not celebrate, but remember the fallen


      Yes, I agree. The wording is unsuccessful.
  • Yak-15
    Yak-15 29 May 2016 14: 00
    0
    It is a pity that they did not kill each other another hundred years ago. Sorry. The Crusades must be practiced, the camellers must have come to see their own.
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 29 May 2016 14: 00
    0
    And how did they not think of holding another bugger parade in memory of the battle?
  • captain
    captain 29 May 2016 14: 12
    +8
    If we discard the political component, then the French fellows, remember their soldiers. Unfortunately, we don’t remember those who created Russia with their lives. We do not have monuments and dates dedicated to those who died in the 1 World War, in the war with the Japanese in 1905, in wars with the Turks and French, etc. As Comrade used to say Trotsky; ... it is necessary to deprive the Russians of historical memory, all that was before the 17 revolution, the builders of the new society suggested that we forget. They remembered only in 41 when they realized that a sad end could come.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 29 May 2016 14: 44
    +1
    They need to call their joint tank "Verdun". This will be a symbol of the final consensus and reconciliation. And then, with this tank, everything is for the defense of the Baltic States from the terrible Russian bear. wassat
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 May 2016 15: 57
    +2
    Verdun battle, or rather, a meat grinder, is a monument to human stupidity. The trench warfare showed that no artillery would help break through the deep lines of defense occupied by a determined and courageous enemy. And the generals, having fallen into a strategic impasse, stupidly drove hundreds of thousands of soldiers to slaughter, since they were unable to come up with any other actions.
  • An64
    An64 29 May 2016 16: 49
    +1
    When will we also respect our losses in such battles?
    The Battle of Rzhev - the military operations of Soviet and German troops during the Great Patriotic War, taking place in the Rzhevsky ledge from January 5, 1942 to March 21, 1943 (more than 14 months)!
    The battles near Rzhev became one of the bloodiest episodes of World War II. According to the study of the historian A.V. Isaev, conducted on the basis of TsAMO data, losses in operations on an arc encircling Rzhev with a length of 200-250 kilometers, from January 1942 to March 1943 amounted to: irretrievable - 392 554 people; sanitary - 768 people ...
  • Kibl
    Kibl 29 May 2016 17: 00
    +2
    Aha battle! Well! Well! The thresher is yes! Purely trench strategy, throwing "suitcases" and blunt blows in the forehead. About all sorts of flanking detours and blows it for hell! Stupid in the forehead, the warriors are fucking !!!
  • Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 29 May 2016 17: 06
    +1
    Friends, for the first time in my 18 years, I read how the Germans captured France in 2-3 weeks. I just couldn't believe it then. And I could not explain to myself how such a "great power" fell so quickly. France still exists as a state only thanks to Russia. And on Verdun, President Putin should have been invited !!!
    Well, the information for the event is good!
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 29 May 2016 20: 23
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      Quote: Robert Nevsky
      Friends, for the first time in my 18 years, I read how the Germans captured France in 2-3 weeks.

      the next cultural shock - and Denmark in general in a few hours.
    2. thinker
      thinker 29 May 2016 23: 19
      0
      Marshal of France Ferdinand Foch wrote: “The fact that France was not erased from the map of Europe, we owe primarily to Russia.”
  • misterwulf
    misterwulf 29 May 2016 17: 26
    0
    Quote: An64
    The Battle of Rzhev - the military operations of Soviet and German troops during the Great Patriotic War, taking place in the Rzhevsky ledge from January 5, 1942 to March 21, 1943 (more than 14 months)!


    I think the bloodiest page of ALL military history. Verdun raised to a power. No one really knows the loss, but let me assume that, for ONE + one million on each side there is definitely! What's the point? The front line held? I myself have a little of that ... was at war. Nothing just happens. So it was necessary.
    In Sevastopol we fought back so “cheerfully and successfully” (this is not true, people in the besieged City felt like in St. Petersburg) until the Headquarters surrendered the City. The losses of the defenders were small (how small can we talk about when it comes to tens of thousands?) The Nazis lost more than 300 goals. And upon surrendering, all the unevacuated defenders of the City were thrown. Someone was killed, someone was taken prisoner and a concentration camp was taken, someone was saved ... Now we argue. How many were thrown. 000 or 50 thousand at the Chersonesos metro station?
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    Verdun meat grinder? In our history, such meat grinders will be enough for the whole of Europe!
  • hohol95
    hohol95 29 May 2016 18: 04
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    Why are they so "overexcited" ??? Well fought! Well put people up ... !!! We are now advised not to be proud of a whole victory in the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR and forget to celebrate VICTORY DAY! So let them forget! AND TRUE, AND SOMMU, AND MARN AND THEIR OTHER "SHIPPING"! Yes, the First World War did not end with the capture of BERLIN, VIENNA, SOFIA, ISTANBUL !!!
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 29 May 2016 18: 09
    0
    Then they came up with the European Union, so that such
    bloody wars did not recur.
    And, despite many problems, national differences between countries, the EU, I think, will continue
    and expand. And, of course, over time, overcoming temporary difficulties,
    Russia will also join him as a full member,
    as a prosperous state of Europe.
    It’s better to master Mars and space, drink beer yesterday in Paris - tomorrow in Moscow, drinks
    drive cars on the through highway from the Atlantic to the Pacific Oken,
    than sitting with grim faces opposite each other in dirty trenches and writhes in rusty tanks. negative
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 29 May 2016 20: 36
      0
      And when will this Golden time come? So far, we are only being lined with military bases like flags. I think that this will happen immediately as your country makes friends with the Palestinians, Iran and the like. drinks
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 30 May 2016 09: 59
        0
        Here I agree with you. About 50 years - not before.
  • masiya
    masiya 29 May 2016 18: 42
    0
    Yes, in fact, these refugees in Europe, like a reverse "crusade", a thousand years later the revenge of the beaten Muslims returned, although if it were not for the mentally flawed Americans, and some Europeans did not shake North Africa and the Middle East, then nothing would have happened - they would live for themselves, they ate shawarma with kebabs, and slowly akbar to Allah, without the Wahhabi and ISIS pathos.
  • Pitot
    Pitot 29 May 2016 20: 43
    0
    What are the frog pads with the Hans celebrating there? Or celebrate? Mutual extermination? By the way, in my opinion, Brusilov helped the frogs. His offensive did not allow the Hans to finish off these snail-eaters. If not confused. But it's not that. I'm looking at all this geyrope - I got the impression that these are not countries - Germany, France, Hungary, Poland, etc. These are corridor rugs. Throughout the known history, they always went to visit each other through their neighbors as through the corridors at the door. And not with a glass of beer, there are crayfish, plum brandy or wines from Champagne. Nifiga. They went on a visit for massacre and with weapons in their hands - arrows, spears, swords, sabers, swords, guns, pistols, machine guns. It left an imprint on them. They have now become simply "banana eater" rugs. But how pompous they celebrate their massacre ..... It is a pity, they did not finish off each other, Russia would then have swooped down on 1917. Bellhead slapsticks ...
  • iouris
    iouris 30 May 2016 01: 00
    0
    The Russian expeditionary force fought in France: this does not count.
  • Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 30 May 2016 06: 24
    0
    I agree with Mr. Pito - the famous Brusilov breakthrough thwarted not only the plans of the Germans to seize Paris and win the war, but also put Austria-Hungary, Germany's ally, on the brink of defeat! It is also worth recalling the role of Yudenich, who by this time had actually defeated another ally - Turkey! We should remember the heroes - the Black Sea people who helped the French in battles at sea and support the amphibious assault! And of course, 17 thousand Russian expeditionary corps, 1 brigade of which fought directly at Verdun. There is even a monument and a cemetery for 7 (!) "Bunk - places" of our heroes, it is not clear why they laid down their heads for the ungrateful French - "snail-eaters" according to Mr. Pitot?