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WSJ: American rail cannon can be useful to protect the eastern borders of NATO

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The ER (Electromagnetic Railgun), a powerful electromagnetic rail gun developed by BAE Systems, will help protect the Baltic countries from the “Russian threat” TASS the message "The Wall Street Journal", published a video with tests of a prototype weaponsCreated for the US Navy.

WSJ: American rail cannon can be useful to protect the eastern borders of NATO


“The military believes that the railgun can be useful if the US has to defend the Baltic states from Russia and provide support to the allies against China in the South China Sea,” the newspaper writes.

“We cannot ignore the fact that Russia has the ability to produce and shoot over long distances conventional ammunition of a large mass. We need to be able to resist such volleys. Railgun will potentially give us a cure, ”
quoted the publication of the deputy head of the Pentagon, Robert Wark.

The WSJ recalls that “The US Navy launched the ER program ten years ago, spending half a billion dollars on it. Now it is planned to spend another 800 million dollars in order to turn the rail cannon into a protective type of armament and make its projectiles suitable for deck artillery of American ships. ”

Earlier, TASS reported that the first demonstration railgun owned by BAE Systems. Installation capacity - 32 MJ. She was taken to Dahlgren (Virginia) at the beginning of 2012 g. Then a competing sample from General Atomics was brought there.

Photos used:
AP Photo / US Navy, John F. Williams
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 29 May 2016 10: 10
    +29
    They also carry a power plant by themselves. Or in the Baltic, they will buy it from us.
    1. poquello
      poquello 29 May 2016 10: 13
      +10
      direct and the protection of the Baltic, or a great desire on our border to put any garbage
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 29 May 2016 10: 21
        +45
        The Russian threat is simplicity and reliability ... If they bring it!
        1. Thrall
          Thrall 29 May 2016 11: 14
          +26
          NATO still scares us with its rail machine gunners laughing
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 29 May 2016 11: 18
            +14
            “We cannot ignore the fact that Russia has the ability to produce and shoot over long distances conventional ammunition of a large mass. We need to be able to resist such volleys. Railgun will potentially give us a cure, ”

            ... do not forget to buy a license from the Ukrainians for the Azovets tank, you also cannot do without it in the Baltic States, you will mount a land railgun on it ... where to your Abrams ... laughing
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      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 29 May 2016 10: 23
        +52
        "WSJ: American Rail Cannon May Help Protect NATO's Eastern Frontiers"
        I completely agree! More how useful!
        Just imagine. Bloodthirsty Russians crowded on the border with the Baltic states. They look through binoculars. And those fluff in the chick's socket once. And in the whole of the Baltic states and half of Poland and Finland, the light was completely cut off for a month. Such bloodthirsty Russians speak to each other.
        -From now surrendered to us without light, this eastern Europe!
        And they will not attack them feel
        1. jPilot
          jPilot 29 May 2016 11: 23
          +10
          good lol laughing watched the video, another attempt at bullshit by the "banana" Baltic "freedom-loving" lol to shove the "statesmen", and drive them into debt. How much time will this "flight" of human thought take afterwards to gain energy for a second shot !?
          1. Yuri from Volgograd
            Yuri from Volgograd 29 May 2016 11: 56
            +8
            Quote: jPilot
            good lol laughing watched the video, another attempt at bullshit by the "banana" Baltic "freedom-loving" lol to shove the "statesmen", and drive them into debt. How much time will this "flight" of human thought take afterwards to gain energy for a second shot !?

            There is a joke in the subject when a Jew at the rabbi right-handedly how to get rich. He advises raising chickens, but they drown in a pond, then of course ducks, but they choke on shells. In general, after some time that Jew comes to that Jew for the last time and says that they are all in debt and goes to drown. After listening to the rabbi, he says - Sorry, I still had so many ideas!
            1. sherp2015
              sherp2015 29 May 2016 23: 30
              0
              Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
              There is a joke in the subject when a Jew at the rabbi right-handedly how to get rich. He advises raising chickens, but they drown in a pond, then of course ducks, but they choke on shells. In general, after some time that Jew comes to that Jew for the last time and says that they are all in debt and goes to drown. After listening to the rabbi, he says - Sorry, I still had so many ideas!

              )))
              These ideas from the Jews bring the country's economy to a specific ass
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 29 May 2016 12: 52
        +10
        The rail electromagnetic gun itself, the thing is not very frail. Her shells cannot be shot down, the ammunition for it is not expensive enough, and it thrashes incomparably further than conventional barrel artillery.
        But there is a minus. The system is energy intensive. This system can only be installed on ships no less than the destroyer. In general, that they plan amerikoses.
        Concerning the protection of the Baltic "Tigers". I don't know where the ameri want to stick it there, on the shore, or on what destroyer they own request Question in quantity. 2-3 such systems will not make the weather there. In general, the next PR move, aero defenders want more money.
        1. matross
          matross 29 May 2016 13: 12
          +13
          The range of effective railgun fire is not less than 100 km, but in fact it allows firing from a distance of a direct shot at a land or sea target with direct visibility, since even very tall objects at a distance of more than two to three tens of kilometers are completely beyond the horizon. In particular, when viewed from a height of 25 m, the line-of-sight range of the 9-story building is approximately equal to 18 km. Potentially possible shooting on a flat trajectory, but at ranges that are not comparable to missiles, even light class.
          The high velocity of the projectile allows the use of a railgun as an air defense system. The projectile speed of the perspective gun, which will be tested in 2016, will be 6 M, which is significantly lower than many anti-aircraft missiles (9 M for one of the C-300В4 missiles), maneuvering the projectile is impossible. (S)
          1. SergeBS
            SergeBS 29 May 2016 22: 28
            0
            I apologize in every way, but
            Quote: matRoss
            Range of effective railgun fire of at least 100 km

            a bit wrong. A bullet from the AK-47 MAY kill at 3 kM (if it came without protective clothing or flew into the eye). It’s just unrealistic to get with 3 km to them.
            You drop 3 shops - you will see dust (through binoculars smile ), and not a fact - which is next to the goal.
            And effectively - it is "shot - killed".
            Maybe I confuse it with "real fire range". Correct. hi
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 29 May 2016 13: 40
          +2
          There is an interesting point. In stormy weather, due to the roll of the carrier ship, this gun cannot be used — it can explode or be pulled in the wrong direction! laughing
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 29 May 2016 21: 30
            +3
            Quote: GSH-18
            There is an interesting point. In stormy weather, due to the roll of the carrier ship, this gun cannot be used — it can explode or be pulled in the wrong direction! laughing


            That is, we all know that stabilizers on tanks are not even the day before yesterday.
            Is it impossible to create a precision stabilizer for ship weapons?

            All is solved.
            1. hrych
              hrych 29 May 2016 22: 36
              +3
              Quote: mav1971
              All is solved.

              Thus, the development itself is more than sixty years old, and ours have never lagged behind either in the lasers or in these gadgets. The same laser on an airplane was recognized by us as ineffective 30 years earlier than them, to which they came the other day however ...
    2. Finches
      Finches 29 May 2016 10: 20
      +30
      Scientific and technological progress does not stand still - this is good! The bad thing is that the evolution of morality and humanism ... and in some countries, especially Eastern Europe, there is a process of de-evolution of man as a whole! laughing
      1. Pirogov
        Pirogov 29 May 2016 11: 49
        +5
        Quote: Finches
        Scientific and technological progress does not stand still - this is good! The bad thing is that the evolution of morality and humanism ... and in some countries, especially Eastern Europe, there is a process of de-evolution of man as a whole! laughing

        What morality can we talk about if they rule the Saxanagles?
      2. fzr1000
        fzr1000 29 May 2016 16: 33
        +2
        They are also going to fly to Mars. Few on Earth on ... ali.
    3. hrych
      hrych 29 May 2016 10: 23
      +18
      That's right, they've knocked out their nuclear missile shield, they just stutter about new missiles and boats, and soon the whole line of new ones will take shape with the adoption of "Barguzin" and "Sarmat". In aviation, stealth technologies drove them into a complete dead end, etc. So they decided to surprise them with something, the problem is with the railgun, the same as with the laser, ie. the target is struck by a direct strike, neither the over-the-horizon target, nor the envelope of the relief, this rubbish can not reach. As with a laser, it is the best application in space, but the problem with the power source, and the installation itself is very large and heavy.
      1. PN
        PN 29 May 2016 10: 38
        -19
        In space, there are no problems with energy at all. There is one interesting direction, the use of magnetic waves of the earth. The experiments were, they got such an awesome result that the cable burned out and for some reason closed this topic.
        1. Winnie76
          Winnie76 29 May 2016 11: 03
          +13
          Quote: PN
          There is one interesting direction, the use of magnetic waves of the earth.

          Yeah, throw PV3 to the south pole of the positive posting, to the minus north and to the outlet from the railgun
        2. Homo
          Homo 29 May 2016 13: 46
          +4
          Quote: PN
          In space, there are no problems with energy at all.

          One small problem remained, to extract this energy. recourse
          1. PN
            PN 29 May 2016 14: 06
            -6
            Yes, they’ve already taken it out, it is necessary to read carefully.
            1. Homo
              Homo 29 May 2016 16: 03
              +3
              Yah! On an industrial scale? Is this the article about weapons in our time and not in the distant future, but is they already getting enough energy for a railgun, a laser?
              PS Solar cells for the ISS are not an indicator. And where to read the link do not give?
            2. SergeBS
              SergeBS 29 May 2016 22: 17
              +2
              I'm begging. Do not make me so funny - I burst.
              To obtain electricity, you need "quite a bit" - to spend MECHANICAL energy to move a conductor (a satellite with bells and whistles, for example :)), in a magnetic field. ALL the energy of the satellite (kinetic, the other is not) - will "fly away" on the first shot, as a result of which this satellite will stupidly fall down.
              Nothing personal, just physics.
              Well, it’s not a fact that the satellite’s energy from descent from orbit to the ground will be enough for one shot. Its energy cannot exceed the energy of the carrier that threw it into orbit (cases with a nuclear reactor on board or something else are marked by the agreement on non-nuclear space, for example).
        3. SergeBS
          SergeBS 29 May 2016 22: 19
          0
          Quote: PN
          There is one interesting direction, the use of magnetic waves of the earth. The experiments were, they got such an awesome result that the cable burned out and for some reason closed this topic.

          There are NO perpetual motion machines! Stop talk about this. See below about satellite energy, etc.
        4. CT-55_11-9009
          CT-55_11-9009 30 May 2016 03: 34
          +1
          Gridasov, are you this?
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 May 2016 11: 26
        +19
        Quote: hrych
        the problem is with the railgun, the same as with the laser,

        Yes, perhaps it will be worse.
        The speed of "delivery" of energy / striking element is different. Railgun on a maneuvering target? .. the aiming point will be difficult to determine. And the VIC zone cannot be covered with a "cloud" of shells, as Volcano / Falanx does.
        Therefore, the second question is the rate of fire. What kind of "battery" of storage / capacitors (fast-charging!) Will need to be in order to fire at a swarm of targets (with a bunch of false ones!) Attacking the protected object?
        Guidance and stabilization system. Well, so many "boxes" only a ship can carry! And then, retargeting to targets, with over-sound popping out from behind the radio horizon at an extremely low altitude? Will not those seconds, which may not be enough for "retargeting", become fatal? Again, "swarm" LC !!! Clogging the target channel with an aiming noise ...
        Oh, all this is difficult, oh difficult ... 800 million of greens may not be enough, just as 500 million was not enough before! laughing
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 29 May 2016 11: 32
          +14
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Oh, all this is difficult, oh difficult ... 800 million of greens may not be enough, just as 500 million was not enough before!

          ... and, if we add here the modestly silent ... vitality of the railgun barrel at the moment 10 shots ... laughing
          1. Alex_T
            Alex_T 29 May 2016 18: 36
            +1
            railgun circuit diagram
            The most reasonable comment! Another cut of the loot.
            Back in the 90s, there were articles on this topic. Let me remind you the essence of the problem. "Projectile" is accelerated due to the Lorentz force arising from the current flowing through the projectile itself and the rails on which the projectile lies. Due to the gigantic values ​​of the current of the order of 100000A, the movable contact point between the projectile and the rails, to put it mildly, BURNS up feel Therefore, the rails have to be changed very often. Example of railgun calculations http://vestniken.ru/articles/461/461.pdf hi
        2. ty60
          ty60 29 May 2016 12: 22
          0
          Not enough. This is only the second stage of the cut. There will be at least four, and the result is like F-35
        3. ty60
          ty60 29 May 2016 12: 22
          0
          Not enough. This is only the second stage of the cut. There will be at least four, and the result is like F-35
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 May 2016 13: 13
          0
          Rather, super ionistors will be used to accumulate energy.
        5. Alex_T
          Alex_T 29 May 2016 19: 16
          0
          There was already an article on the theme of railguns http://topwar.ru/10844-amerikanskie-relsovye-pushki-fantasticheskoe-oruzhie-dlya
          -korabley-buduschego.html
        6. The stranger
          The stranger 29 May 2016 20: 09
          -3
          And he does not need to preempt - for him, all goals are motionless. With the exception of warheads and satellites flying into the atmosphere. But their trajectory is known, so that is also not a problem.
        7. mav1971
          mav1971 29 May 2016 21: 36
          +1
          Quote: BoA KAA

          Oh, all this is difficult, oh difficult ... 800 million of greens may not be enough, just as 500 million was not enough before! laughing


          What is the problem of creating a fragmentation warhead (ball, rod, etc.) for a projectile?
          In my opinion, it’s just easier and more efficient - you don’t need to put an warhead on the warhead.
          It’s just revealed in time - and there the speed and air resistance - the whole cloud of fragments themselves will form.
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 29 May 2016 13: 02
        +1
        Quote: hrych
        the target is struck by a direct blow, neither the over-horizontal target, nor the envelope of the relief can get this rubbish.

        This is where you read it, dear? The whole charm of this gun is that the user can optionally set the acceleration of the projectile, which is impossible in the barrel artillery. And over the horizon, she pound, be healthy!
        1. hrych
          hrych 29 May 2016 19: 14
          +3
          If you have a horizon in the sense of how to use a howitzer, then it’s not a problem, if you hit an movable target, it’s adieu. All good combat units now perform anti-aircraft maneuvers before hitting the target (they make a hill, fly in a spiral, etc.), therefore the GOS also maneuvers in order to catch the enemy system, the same shell is deprived of such an opportunity and therefore meaningless.
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 29 May 2016 21: 42
            +1
            Quote: hrych
            If you have a horizon in the sense of how to use a howitzer, then it’s not a problem, if you hit an movable target, it’s adieu. All good combat units now perform anti-aircraft maneuvers before hitting the target (they make a hill, fly in a spiral, etc.), therefore the GOS also maneuvers in order to catch the enemy system, the same shell is deprived of such an opportunity and therefore meaningless.


            1. Did you see the speed of the railgun shell actually?
            2-3 kilometers per second by the way.

            2. What is the distance before a strike? for 2-3 kilometers?

            3. What prevents to destroy a rocket before the maneuvers? at a distance of 10-15 kilometers?
            by the way. which rockets fly in a spiral? Or are you talking about ballistic blocks?
            1. hrych
              hrych 29 May 2016 22: 23
              +1
              Quote: mav1971
              What prevents to destroy a rocket before the maneuvers? at a distance of 10-15 kilometers?
              by the way. which rockets fly in a spiral

              If the laser at least carries destructive energy at the speed of light, but even then not instantly, then the railgun shell rests on the density of the atmosphere, and near the ground itself where it is maximum and naturally slows down, so the speed is limited, as well as the flight time to the target, which leaves from sighting line, and less, but with a comparable speed, but actually the main argument of the staff - the cheapness of the kinetic projectile, devoid of fuse and charge.
              The anti-aircraft missile P-270 "Mosquito" can perform an anti-aircraft maneuver "snake" with turning angles up to 60 degrees and an overload of more than 10 g, and the anti-aircraft missile "Yakhont" makes an anti-aircraft maneuver - "spiral" in the final section.
        2. The stranger
          The stranger 29 May 2016 23: 56
          0
          Of course not. Its only focus is the huge velocity of the projectile, without going out into space.
    4. Andrey K
      Andrey K 29 May 2016 10: 27
      +29
      Quote: Teberii
      They also carry a power plant by themselves. Or in the Baltic, they will buy it from us.

      They just don’t know under what sauce to offer their “protection”, marasmatics wassat
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev 29 May 2016 11: 23
        +4
        Quote: Andrey K
        Quote: Teberii
        They also carry a power plant by themselves. Or in the Baltic, they will buy it from us.

        They just don’t know under what sauce to offer their “protection”, marasmatics wassat

        It was a long time ago and not long ago.
    5. RUSIVAN
      RUSIVAN 29 May 2016 10: 44
      +20
      Of course, the Nuclear Power Plant will float next to this "scam" and charge this one gun))) It's like in "Yeralash" a clock with all the bells and whistles and shows the pressure and temperature .... and take the batteries)))
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 29 May 2016 11: 08
        +15
        Well, if you recall Jumble, then completely!
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    7. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 29 May 2016 11: 24
      +4
      But there will be a reason (as if by chance, but out of need), to restore the Ignalina NPP, or to build a new one, they had such plans by 2021. The closure of the Ignalina nuclear power plant was one of the conditions for the country's accession to the European Union. What the hell do they often do stuff about this gun in the media? Unclear. We have our own, even the very name "Railgun" was invented by the famous Soviet physicist Academician L. Artsimovich. Or are they exceptional, they cannot even imagine that such developments are being conducted not only by them? Or do they want to drive us into a useless race? So this is pointless, we have been developing this for a long time.
      1. The stranger
        The stranger 29 May 2016 14: 41
        +3
        For me, this is clearly a part of psychological warfare. Because for the first time in my life I hear that a strategic weapon in terms of the cost of developing weapons is declared for a purely specific purpose, even with an indication of the theater of operations.
        Maybe - it can't, it works - it doesn't work, but it sounds creepy, scary, and besides, they are threatened directly. A "normal" society by their standards is ordered to immediately get scared to brown trousers, and throw itself on its knees in front of the owner of a cudgel from the rail, simultaneously sweeping and hanging its leader and its government.
        In principle, this is a terrible thing. But I don't know what they have, since after so many years and 500 lemons, they are given MORE 800, "for fine-tuning" :))
        Most likely, they have another exacerbation of the "F-35 syndrome", and not a gun.
    8. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 29 May 2016 12: 27
      +2
      Well, stop mocking our "partners"))) ... Let's discuss more, but mock and laugh))) ... Let's discuss the prospects of this weapon ... I just looked in the reference book (Wikipedia) and found out that this idea Naturally, they came up with the idea back in the USSR, and the second point is that this weapon can only be fired at a direct shot range))) (which 200 km they are talking about on TV is not at all clear), in addition, the speed of the projectile fired from this weapon was 6 M, which even below the speed of the missiles of the S-300V4 9M complex and this projectile does not naturally maneuver, how they were going to shoot from this at the planes, I can't imagine ... !!! That is, these are weapons of shorter range, less speed than the existing weapon systems ... The cost of shells is cheaper, but how much does the equipment and maintenance of the station or anything else that generates energy for this gun cost ?! And most importantly, the destructive capabilities of this weapon? Well, it will make a through hole in the hull, but it may of course be dangerous, but compare with the warhead of a missile that has a high-explosive fragmentation warhead of hundreds of kg, I read somewhere that Argentina drowned the flagship of the British fleet with one Exocet missile, the diameter of the hole in the hull from the missile hit was several meters, the cruiser sank in five minutes ...
      1. matross
        matross 29 May 2016 17: 08
        0
        Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
        Argentina drowned the flagship of the British fleet with one Exocet missile, the hole in the hull from the missile hit was several meters, the cruiser sank in five minutes ...

        Write nonsense. It was not a flagship or a cruiser, but the destroyer Sheffield. And even then, the rocket did not explode - the destroyer was destroyed by the resulting fire - and not in five minutes, of course.
        1. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 29 May 2016 18: 35
          +1
          Yes, I admit, you are really right that with regards to Sheffield, I just looked at the information, a missile that did not even go off, but the one that pierced the hull of the ship eventually sunk it, causing a fire with the remains of jet fuel ... In 5, the destroyer Glamorgan came under fire from the shore - the first missile missed, the second struck the upper deck in the area of ​​the helipad and exploded, forming a 12-meter hole. Debris and explosion products penetrated into the helicopter hangar, where a fully fueled helicopter was at that time. The fire raged for four hours, 1982 sailors were killed in the fight against the fire. The next day, with the help of floating workshops, the destroyer managed to regain limited combat capability. Probably the previous source that I read distorted the information a little ... American weapons often let Argentines down ...
          In any case, inaccuracy in May does not cancel the general message of my message that missile weapons are more effective than this electromagnetic gun ... But Argentina was let down only by the weak effectiveness of American weapons ... If they bought weapons in the USSR, the Falklands could have a different story, already Argentinean. ..
          1. matross
            matross 29 May 2016 18: 56
            0
            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            . American weapons often failed the Argentines ...

            Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
            And Argentina was let down only by the weak effectiveness of American weapons.

            Man, do not write more about it, I have nerves
            shattered !! wassat
            Exoset - French PRK, developed by Aerospasyal !! laughing
            1. Ratmir_Ryazan
              Ratmir_Ryazan 30 May 2016 12: 34
              0
              What’s funny, do not understand? Why such sarcasm? And why did you only indicate the origin of RCC Exoset ?! But didn’t Argentina use American planes and free-falling bombs made in the USA which in more than half of cases didn’t work, but simply pierced the hulls of the ships through without causing significant harm?
    9. dauria
      dauria 29 May 2016 12: 51
      -2
      They also carry a power plant by themselves. Or in the Baltic, they will buy it from us.


      Let's count a little for the D-30 howitzer (approximately)
      offhand 15 kg 700 ms (Em Ve square in half) 3,68 MJ, 8 rounds per min 3,68 * 8 = 29,4 MJ - average power (divide by

      60 sec.) = 490 kW. A diesel generator based on YaMZ engines is enough.
      wink You see, even the Dnieper is not needed.
      I will say more, I myself was surprised - the energy of the Kalash’s horn (already kinetic) is equal to the energy stored in the laptop’s battery.
      winked
      1. krops777
        krops777 29 May 2016 13: 40
        +3
        Let's count a little for the D-30 howitzer (approximately)
        offhand 15 kg 700 ms (Em Ve square in half) 3,68 MJ, 8 rounds per min 3,68 * 8 = 29,4 MJ - average power (divide by

        60 sec.) = 490 kW. A diesel generator based on YaMZ engines is enough.
        wink You see, even the Dnieper is not needed.
        I will say more, I myself was surprised - the energy of the Kalash’s horn (already kinetic) is equal to the energy stored in the laptop’s battery.
        winked


        Well, it’s one thing to reproduce such power, and it’s another thing to tell her the projectile in ten thousandths of a second.
        1. dauria
          dauria 29 May 2016 19: 49
          +1
          Well, it's one thing to reproduce such power,


          Energy and average power have been calculated. To store and "shoot" is really a problem that is NOT solved by the energy source. (Won in a 60-ton press, a 5 kW engine and a flywheel with a crank laughing , absolutely nauseous, you can compress the air with an electric compressor ...) I laugh, of course. wink For linear engines, there are good semiconductor switches if they are pulled a lot.
          This is provided that all the power goes to the shell. I wonder what is the efficiency of the installation?

          In a powder shot, 40% goes to the shell, the rest is wasted. The mechanical energy is calculated. By the way, electrical to mechanical converters (the same electric motors, even linear ones) have a very high efficiency (under 90%)

          In any case, I said that the Dnieper is not needed, and do not confuse the people. Some still have to teach physics, and they, damn it, in tanks.
          1. jPilot
            jPilot 30 May 2016 04: 36
            0
            Really, read physics. the main hitch is that the main energy consumption is needed for the initial movement of the projectile. For example, an electric motor with a power of 2.1 kW needs at least 4-5 kW to start (spin the rotor) !!!! Moreover, the launch process does not occur instantly (as needed for weapons), but on an increasing basis.
            The essence of the powder charge is that the "theoreticians" consider the total energy of the powder charge and its consumption, but the starting (initial) INSTANT moment is important for the movement of the bullet, and at this stage the powder works at 100% efficiency, and then the energy of the powder it is practically indifferent to the bullet, therefore it is used for other "needs" of the weapon.
            As you wrote there: "I will say more, I was surprised myself - the energy of the Kalash horn (already kinetic) is equal to the energy stored in the laptop battery."
            Apply the laptop battery power to the 1st bullet and make it "fly" at least a centimeter. But what about the force of gravity, friction force, air resistance belay... If everything is so simple, then why are we still without "blasters" and in fact they do not even shoot bullets in "fantasy" but "some" electro-plasma substance !? wink
      2. martin-159
        martin-159 29 May 2016 15: 10
        0
        This is provided that all the power goes to the shell. I wonder what is the efficiency of the installation?
    10. max702
      max702 29 May 2016 14: 56
      +1
      That one yes yes .. tadam dam! (On the motive of Santa Barbara)
    11. edge
      edge 29 May 2016 16: 29
      +1
      Quote: Teberii
      They also carry a power plant by themselves. Or in the Baltic, they will buy it from us.

      I read about the development of railguns with us, I read in science and life in the early 90s, and indeed, everything rested on energy supply. As long as there are no acceptable power supplies in size, there will be no mobile railguns. Well, and about placing them in the Baltic states, it’s nonsense -Who will place new and experimental models of weapons dangerously close to the enemy, all the more so as they are afraid of the Russian special forces in a row .... good
    12. Hon
      Hon 29 May 2016 20: 47
      +1
      The warship does not have enough generator power?
    13. Saburov
      Saburov 29 May 2016 20: 48
      +3
      “The military believes that the railgun can be useful if the US has to defend the Baltic states from Russia and provide support to the allies against China in the South China Sea,” the newspaper writes.


      How did education on the planet ... the era of consumerism ... fall? Nothing fundamentally new has been implemented, all technologies are as old as the world (if the laws of physics do not suddenly change)
      About the railgun
      Advantages
      1) High destructive power of a shot;
      2) An impressive firing range (from 150 to 350 km, only you probably forgot that the earth is round, which will not allow to realize this firing range)
      3) The safety of this type of weapon due to the lack of explosive fuel powder
      4) The reduced weight will allow you to equip the equipment with a large number of charges;
      5) The projectile speed can reach nine thousand kilometers per hour. (In the middle of the 80's, Soviet scientists created a prototype railgun. The speed of a projectile made of plastic, comparable in size to a bottle cap, reached 9960 m / s and punched 3 layer of duralumin with a thickness of 4 cm.)

      Disadvantages and problems
      1) A clear, sharp impulse is needed that the projectile accelerates and pushes before it scatters or evaporates
      2) A huge amount of energy with which the pulse gun will be activated (of the order of 60-70 megawatts, which compact energy sources have not yet been invented)
      3) Adverse effects of moisture and salt that corrode the system (relative to fleet use)
      4) System stabilization
      5) Complete unmasking of the launcher that occurs after the first shot
      6) The projectile must have a minimum mass, the material for the manufacture of the projectile and the rail must have high conductivity (to the question of the cost of the projectile)
      7) Guides in the gun have to be changed after every second shot.
      8) Work on increasing the speed leads to the destruction of shells in flight, and this also becomes a serious obstacle to the widespread introduction of the railgun. To this list you can add the need for a high-precision guidance and sight system.
      9) If you need to accumulate 60 megawatts for a shot, then these 60 megawatts need to be generated and saved! Even if without losses with 100% efficiency and type on superconductors, all the same huge aircraft carrier nuclear reactors at 300 megawatts will pump the energy of 15-20 minutes ... until the next shot. You’ll kill yourself, but the laws of physics can’t get around in any way, and to shoot 5 rounds per minute, you need the energy of 100 aircraft carriers ... LITERALLY 100!
      Well, backfill. The projectile will not fly along a ballistic trajectory with a decrease, but in a straight line like a laser beam, meanwhile the earth is round, and the horizon from the destroyer deck starts somewhere at a distance of 15 km, a target at a distance of 50 km cannot be reached with a direct shot . Shoot from an airplane? From the surface of the sea, from the ship, as a result, the projectile will pass in 400 m above the target. A speed of approximately 8 km / s is sufficient to enter the orbit of the earth; above it is already possible to fly to the sun. In addition, a shot with a speed of at least 6 km / s should cause, if it does not occur in a vacuum, a powerful shock wave and instantaneous heating of air in the shot zone.

      PS So all these dances around the miracle of weapons (lasers and railguns) have one meaning ... money and money again.
    14. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 29 May 2016 23: 16
      -1
      They also carry a power plant by themselves. Or in the Baltic, they will buy it from us.

      32 mJ is approximately 9 kWh. Even a retired grandmother can afford such an energy expenditure.
      The technological problem of the railgun is not in the amount of energy expended, but in the fact that this energy must be thrown away instantly.
  2. APASUS
    APASUS 29 May 2016 10: 13
    +6
    I did not understand from this material that the Americans have already solved the problem of instant energy storage?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 May 2016 10: 35
      -1
      Previously considered mainly marine
      application. Therefore, in the warships of the latest models
      invest in the possibility of generating electricity,
      comparable to power plants.
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 29 May 2016 10: 43
        +2
        voyaka uh IL Today, 10:35 PM ↑ New
        Previously considered mainly marine
        application. Therefore, in the warships of the latest models
        invest in the possibility of generating electricity,
        comparable to power plants.

        Well, that is, that is. Project "Leader" This is a confirmation. An electromagnetic gun will appear or not, but the electricity generated on the ship should be enough.
        1. samoletil18
          samoletil18 29 May 2016 12: 46
          0
          And what if he gets the traffic jams? And in battle? The fuse will be dragged to the shield and raised wassat person 6.
      2. bmv04636
        bmv04636 29 May 2016 10: 48
        +8
        and mobile nuclear power plants for icebreakers and not only we create only RITM200
      3. Tusv
        Tusv 29 May 2016 11: 25
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Previously considered mainly marine
        application. Therefore, in the warships of the latest models
        invest in the possibility of generating electricity,
        comparable to power plants.

        Toto Gishpani used a boat to drive away "free" atomic energy with a bunch of missiles on board.
        Yes they can, but who needs it?
      4. demchuk.ig
        demchuk.ig 29 May 2016 11: 36
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Therefore, in the warships of the latest models
        invest in the possibility of generating electricity,
        comparable to power plants.

        Well, put this rail on the ship and what? What will change? Everyone will scatter right away? Apparently I'm not a strategist!
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 29 May 2016 12: 41
          +1
          No one will run away. This is a tactical weapon, long-range
          artillery. Benefit - no need to store powder charges, the detonation of which
          can smash the ship to pieces.
          1. Locksmith
            Locksmith 29 May 2016 18: 06
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            whose detonation
            can smash the ship to pieces.

            The discharge of containers (non-standard) is much more effective - "what should burn-burn out" (C) wink
      5. quote
        quote 29 May 2016 15: 17
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Previously considered mainly marine
        application. Therefore, in the warships of the latest models
        invest in the possibility of generating electricity,
        comparable to power plants.

        Well, what country will let "this ship" close to its shores, so that it "shoots" a hundred kilometers, okay 150?
        That's right, "Papuan". Ten years, and 500 "mulion" and another 800 million and 15 years old.
      6. APASUS
        APASUS 29 May 2016 21: 25
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Previously considered mainly marine
        application. Therefore, in the warships of the latest models
        invest in the possibility of generating electricity,
        comparable to power plants.

        The Americans themselves write and refute their information themselves. An experimental ship with an experimental setup, this seems to be a thing of the distant future and single railguns will not make the weather for the US Navy
        . For a volley from a modern railgun, an impulse of 25 (!) Megawatts is required. One of the ships of the US Navy, which was specially designed taking into account the possibility of being equipped with a railgun, is equipped with 78 megawatt power plants, and the most common electric value. The installation capacity on the ship is a figure of 9 megawatts. For a single shot of the railgun, almost 30% of the power of the special installation is required. fleet ship. The use of this type of weapon on ordinary ships is not worth thinking about.

        The answer in itself begs, there is no solution to the problem of instant charge
    2. Moore
      Moore 29 May 2016 11: 56
      +3
      Yes, they did. All windmills of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and voila connect at once ...
  3. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 29 May 2016 10: 14
    +12
    "Big Bertha", "Karl", "Dora" ... We passed it!
  4. neo1200
    neo1200 29 May 2016 10: 14
    +8
    Another American horror story. A rail gun can only fire direct fire. So its combat effectiveness is a big question.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 29 May 2016 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: neo1200
      The rail gun can only fire direct fire.
      And our former fellow citizens living in Israel, will also teach her to shoot from around the corner. However, I don’t know where to find a corner in the sea.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 May 2016 12: 45
      +1
      "The rail gun can only fire with direct fire" ////

      Why? Shoot the canopy - ordinary ballistics.
      The only difference is who launches the projectile into the air - gunpowder or electricity.
      1. The stranger
        The stranger 29 May 2016 15: 11
        +2
        And then why did they fence the garden? The horror of the railgun is precisely at the possible monstrous initial speed. Because of which the shell cannot be intercepted by anything, no armor can withstand, and the explosion from getting the blanks is comparable to a gigantic bomb.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 29 May 2016 16: 13
          +1
          "The horror of the railgun is precisely in the possible monstrous initial speed" ////

          At this speed, the projectile itself begins to burn. Hypersound, plasma and a whole range of problems.
          Therefore, they calculate the speed in order to throw a shell at 100 kilometers, but
          so that it does not burn out along the road.
          But 100 is cool, compared to a powder charge + all kinds of bottom
          accelerators on the projectile.
          A ship can fill another ship (or shore) with a fair amount of shells
          from a great distance. This will be much cheaper than the Kyrgyz Republic.
          1. The stranger
            The stranger 29 May 2016 17: 06
            +1
            At this speed, even if he really wants to, he basically can’t burn. Like the cumulative jet damage mechanism - NOT burning. For such speeds, its term is gas dynamics.
            And what have you been given these 100 kilometers? This is the battle distance for the existing army - division MLRS, at a cheap price. With a guaranteed defeat of a very large number of targets.
            In a naval battle, for example, the probability of hitting a foreign ship with such a cannon is limited only by the technical reliability of the cannon itself. After all, the time of the projectile's approach to the target is practically not inferior to the time, for example, of the passage of the radar / rangefinder impulses. Moreover, there is probably no question of hitting the target "in general". Because this is not a question, and because it is possible to get into the water nearby, it will cause an even greater effect. Although I don't know, I've never seen things fly so fast.
            As for the huge amount is not sure. There is a lot of energy in the world, but hell knows how to cope with the necessary power. And I do not know how to adjust the range. After all, she has a direct shot range - almost all of these 100 kilometers. By reducing the speed of the projectile, you can reduce the range, but then everything becomes meaningless. Unless to make the projectile self-governing.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 29 May 2016 17: 23
              0
              "This is the battle distance for the already existing army - divisional MLRS" /////

              But they are not installed on ships. Estimate the length of the rockets, the volume that
              they take up storage. Again, full of all the gunpowder-explosives, which
              instantly ditch the ship if hit.
              This is the beauty of the railgun: compact shells and the relative safety of their storage for the ship.
              The railgun is not a super weapon. Just a convenient replacement for naval artillery.
              1. Locksmith
                Locksmith 29 May 2016 18: 17
                +2
                Quote: voyaka uh
                Again, full of all the gunpowder-explosives, which
                instantly ditch the ship if hit.

                Enough already to heal on this subject, well, cellars with power and capacitors, of course, do not weigh anything and are placed in a box from the Xerox ... laughing
                The high-voltage air conditioners are not only huge in size, besides, they also have a highly toxic electrolyte, read about the radar station in Kazakhstan, which was abandoned and the "metalworkers" tried to hand over the air conditioners to metal - how many of them were alive laughing
                1. The stranger
                  The stranger 29 May 2016 20: 04
                  0
                  And it’s not a fact that the thickness and weight of the biological protection already of such a pulsed power supply do not exceed, and much more, the protection of a nuclear reactor. People who launched the first heavy-duty lasers, for example, died. The electrical part is about the same.
            2. Locksmith
              Locksmith 29 May 2016 18: 47
              0
              Quote: Alien
              This is the beauty of the railgun: compact shells and the relative safety of their storage for the ship.

              Gunpowder still needs to be activated (set on fire) - in order for it to do the work, the charge on the containers is always ready to do the work, without activation, without anything at all - just an internal breakdown of the dielectric of capacitors, this is quite a common phenomenon in electronics, but if in everyday life the energy of capacitors is negligible - the "coolest" flash units, rarely have more than 1000 joules, but even its short in the circuit leads to the fact that (literally) a piece of wire with a cross section of 4 squares evaporates, in the case of the race gun there will be an epic "broads" sad with the effect on the half-steamer, I know from experience that the short circuit in the capacitor circuit of the Canon 350 camera flash to mass (energy 20 j) leads to the failure of the control processor.
              1. The stranger
                The stranger 30 May 2016 00: 11
                0
                Nope, not my quote :)
          2. Locksmith
            Locksmith 29 May 2016 18: 08
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            A ship can fill another ship (or shore) with a fair amount of shells
            from a great distance. This will be much cheaper than the Kyrgyz Republic.

            yeah, they’ll only charge and .... right now, after half an hour we’ll fall asleep .. laughing
            It’s a pity that the barrel resource is nothing ..
            the volley of the Kyrgyz Republic will simply smear a thin layer across the ocean, it’s a trough, and if you remember how an electrician burns with a voltage of 10000 volts, it’s generally fireworks in the ocean, and all thanks to a modest racket carrying the generator, or simply, purely on the foam .., American laughing , just fine graphite, so I would have looked HOW MUCH MONTHS THEY WILL WASH THEIR POWER ELECTRONICS FROM IT wassat
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 29 May 2016 22: 41
              0
              The first gunpowder was, you know, .... not really. They were often torn apart, there was no range,
              nor accuracy. And after the appearance of guns, stone-throwing catapults (proven and reliable)
              did not disappear right away.
              Electric weapons at the beginning of the journey, like a laser.
              1. CT-55_11-9009
                CT-55_11-9009 30 May 2016 03: 47
                +1
                Yes, in the beginning. Only for their widespread use should the necessary conditions arise when a laser and a rail are more profitable than an existing weapon. At the moment, it’s only space. In other areas, traditional weapons are more advantageous either in terms of performance characteristics or in terms of price.
  5. izya top
    izya top 29 May 2016 10: 18
    +6
    a railgun can be useful if the US has to defend the Baltic states from Russia
    Is there a socket in the Baltic states?
    1. Winnie76
      Winnie76 29 May 2016 11: 21
      +4
      Quote: izya top
      Is there a socket in the Baltic states?

      Ilonmask will be called. He will give them a bunch of 18650 batteries, little
  6. demiurg
    demiurg 29 May 2016 10: 21
    +6
    Someday, in the distant future, the rail will become a weapon. In the meantime, these are PR experiments.
    There will be a source of electricity comparable in mass and energy to at least smoke powder, then we can think. In the meantime, send the railgun to the Baltic states, let the people go nuts.
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 29 May 2016 11: 31
      +2
      Quote: demiurg
      Someday, in the distant future, the rail will become a weapon. In the meantime, these are PR experiments.
      There will be a source of electricity comparable in mass and energy to at least smoke powder, then we can think. In the meantime, send the railgun to the Baltic states, let the people go nuts.

      Zadornov spoke about Hollywood in one of the programs: "Here's how to explain it all to the young? You need to bring them to the mirror, which I do in my concerts often and show. Here, look at yourself, now from the outside you believe Hollywood films," Indiana Jones "But the films of Hollywood and life are the absolute difference. I, for example, do not watch Hollywood these scarecrows, bloody pumps. Because I find it funny to watch them. Because I know that if, and many young people are afraid, tremble from everything But I, I find it funny, because I know that if you hit a man with a sleeper on the head you won't get a bruise. Brains will pour out of all the holes left, but in all Hollywood films. After all, in general, they drive bullshit for idiots practically. You can't catch up with a drug boat going out to sea on a scooter. And even on a motorcycle you can't. In all their films, men run from cars and overtake cars. And sometimes women crawl away from cars and the whole world believes in it. Well, how can you such, h so that people become impoverished with their brains. I am especially amazed at the end of a Hollywood movie, a fight - to put a nose to negative characters. And they are sure to fight somewhere in the basement, in the hold. Sometimes, my favorite is on the roof of a skyscraper. And someone hits, the negative one hits the positive with an anchor chain. Where does the anchor chain come from? This is only possible with stupid Americans. And he was so cheered up when they slapped him with an anchor chain and put a negative anchor in his mouth for it. And he just jumped up, pulled out the anchor and became so vigorous, as if they made an enema out of a kia. Once and on top of a concrete slab on the goodie. That teeth spat out and, in the end, negative, when it almost wins, you think "well, well, everything is fine." He pushes the positive, he flies from a skyscraper, you feel sorry for him, but he hangs, keeps on three fingers. This moment is touching. And hangs, hangs. Have you tried hanging on a skyscraper with three fingers sometime? And the negative one still hits him on the fingers, and he is already hanging on one. I knocked two off him or sawed off with a hacksaw. And this is the whole world, this shnyaga is watching. And then the police arrive at the end. I like that. The police are really stupid in America, they always come at the end and tell the one who, and already the skull is in another place, ears in another. And he says - everything will be fine - that's what I like.
      laughing
      1. 1rl141
        1rl141 29 May 2016 13: 29
        +1
        Quote: sgazeev
        And he says - everything will be fine - that’s what I like.


        As Ruchechnik told Zheglov:
        “You, boss, do not have pictures, but novels must be written!”
        You have a script for the movie! Do you mind if I sell it to Hollywood?
        I read, directly introduced:
        He’s told him once! And he’s two to him! And this one is a hoban! And that - bzdyn! In general, here is such a canoe !.
        Great movie!
    2. demchuk.ig
      demchuk.ig 29 May 2016 11: 42
      +1
      Quote: demiurg
      b. In the meantime, send the railgun to the Baltic states, let the people go nuts.

      And what, the Balts will be very happy - the "big brother" does not forget about them and the Russian threat will become a thing of the past.
    3. samoletil18
      samoletil18 29 May 2016 12: 48
      +1
      Want to ruin a small state, give him a railgun
  7. Buchenwald
    Buchenwald 29 May 2016 10: 23
    +2
    Straponotron dildo thrower
  8. x587x
    x587x 29 May 2016 10: 24
    +6
    All Baltic energy will charge this wunderwaffle. smile
  9. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 29 May 2016 10: 25
    +3
    Will it fit in the Baltic states?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 May 2016 13: 22
      +3
      This is a cannon and will fit on the howitzer chassis, only you have to attach another chassis, with super capacitors and generators
  10. Tusv
    Tusv 29 May 2016 10: 30
    +4
    The Soviet government once frightened the European burghers so much that they took to the streets shouting: "We do not want to be nuclear hostages" - can you repeat it?
    Ha 101 from Engels, from take-off all of Europe is shot through, without going beyond the scope of the agreement. It is possible to load a universal Iskander missile system onto an ordinary barge without violating the contract.
  11. AFG-X
    AFG-X 29 May 2016 10: 34
    +4
    Now all Baltic Russophobes will pray for it. One rocket from Iskander and all.
  12. masiya
    masiya 29 May 2016 10: 35
    +5
    For each such rail gun, we have our own rail poplar ...
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 29 May 2016 11: 18
      +2
      Quote: masiya
      we will find our rail poplar

      Rail Barguzin You wanted to say?
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 May 2016 10: 36
    +16
    And none of these warriors, fascinated by the energy of the wunderwafele, even thinks about how to get out of it? The projectile is hypersonic, you can't put any guidance into it, there is no stabilization by rotation either. When firing at long range, the atmosphere will "take" the ammunition away from the target.
    And when firing at a long distance, the same atmosphere will slow down the projectile to the speeds of ordinary armor-piercing scrap, and then what?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 29 May 2016 11: 19
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      , and then what?

      Shot will be fired, by area. If the disc will, in flight, break up into segments, say ... from the temperature effect, then somehow it will turn out that way.
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 29 May 2016 11: 34
      +2
      The railgun as an idea has probably been known for 150 years already. By the way, we also conducted research, then silence. IMHO a practical application is possible, but very narrow. For example, short-range missile defense to replace the AK-630
  14. techie
    techie 29 May 2016 10: 38
    +13
    Spit on this supergan, it’s like that, dust in the eyes. Worse, the other thing is that the Americans legitimize and make routine the arming of arms (supposedly defensive, but no fools, they wrote about this already) right to our borders. Of the entire security buffer that we earned by the results of World War II, nothing remained. All of Eastern Europe is now licking the States. Thank you for this hunchback. Not only that, of all the former Soviet republics in the western direction, only Belarus remained with us (and even then the Old Man behaves like the presidential presidents of Dhunta), the rest also lick the States. Thanks to the same hunchback and EBN. This is all very, very bad for us.
    1. aba
      aba 29 May 2016 11: 47
      0
      Worse than the other - Americans legitimize and make arms contraction a routine

      Exactly! They say that the railgun did not fit in the Baltic states, so let us stuff these Baltic marinas with simple weapons ...
  15. masiya
    masiya 29 May 2016 10: 43
    +4
    This prajam shit somehow settled down, to minus all ...
  16. Barakuda
    Barakuda 29 May 2016 10: 43
    +3
    Idiots and we have enough. But more physicists. only that they would have thrown them.
  17. Cord
    Cord 29 May 2016 10: 47
    +4
    Interestingly, what is this for h m about the minuses everybody sculpts?
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 29 May 2016 10: 53
      +2
      Damaging? so to the doctor, not to the site ..,
  18. bmv04636
    bmv04636 29 May 2016 10: 49
    +6
    here it is a powerful mobile source
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 May 2016 13: 29
      +2
      It makes no sense to introduce this explosive generator into a railatron - the explosion of such a device - EMP - will disable all gun control systems, as well as communications equipment.
  19. slovak007
    slovak007 29 May 2016 10: 51
    +2
    “The military believes that the railgun can be useful if the United States has to defend the Baltic states from Russia and support the allies against China in the South China Sea”


    How annoying they are with their "heroism" !!!
  20. Alex0782
    Alex0782 29 May 2016 10: 55
    +5
    Gentlemen, do not be so bloodthirsty and pessimistic, this is just a laboratory sample, and of course an article for cutting the budget ... But whoever says anything, and they are great, they sponsor developments and create jobs, but now there are no such technologies for its practical application, but in the future why not, and now yes, there is no alternative to gunpowder yet ..))
  21. AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 29 May 2016 10: 57
    +4
    Well, yes ... Railgun is a panacea. Yeah.
    Do not specify the rate of fire of the gun? Energy storage time? The survivability of the guide element? (Trunk). Cost and number of copies?
    What can it save and protect from?
    1. Felix
      Felix 29 May 2016 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: AlNikolaich
      Well, yes ... Railgun is a panacea. Yeah.
      Do not specify the rate of fire of the gun? Energy storage time? The survivability of the guide element? (Trunk). Cost and number of copies?
      What can it save and protect from?

      What for? This is the most terrible secret and the main power of the railgun! Having learned the real characteristics of the Russian aggressors will die in heaps of laughter ...
  22. jovanni
    jovanni 29 May 2016 11: 00
    +3
    Well, it remains for us to introduce a good switchman for their rail gun. To translate when it will be necessary ...
  23. misterwulf
    misterwulf 29 May 2016 11: 03
    +3
    And will a nuclear reactor be attached to it? Otherwise, this is not a cannon, but a harkalka or a shooting gallery pneumatic gun.
  24. vanavatny
    vanavatny 29 May 2016 11: 06
    +3
    here it is interesting: will it be obliged to buy the Baltic states, or will they chip themselves?
  25. YohanPalych
    YohanPalych 29 May 2016 11: 06
    +7
    A good piece, killer! (I had one in TanchikiOnline)
    But seriously, all you need to remember about the "railguns" and other similar developments of the Pentagon:
    ... having spent half a billion dollars on it. Now it is planned to spend another 800 million dollars ...
    Well, the bottom line is the Yankees ALREADY on Our border ... stop
  26. Ros 56
    Ros 56 29 May 2016 11: 07
    +2
    We need to use our gun, and it will be much cheaper. Absolutely all the rail tracks leading to the tribal countries are to be disassembled at a length of a kilometer in front of their borders. And I'll see how they sing on the first day, and loudly, loudly. As soon as ours wants and kirdyk will come to them.
  27. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 29 May 2016 11: 08
    +6
    Quote: misterwulf
    And will a nuclear reactor be attached to it? Otherwise, this is not a cannon, but a harkalka or a shooting gallery pneumatic gun.

    Not! Only 220v network!

    American fools - they have 110v on their network.
  28. lukke
    lukke 29 May 2016 11: 12
    +3
    keyword in article "can" ...
  29. HMR333
    HMR333 29 May 2016 11: 17
    +1
    they need to be told that let the wasp ... t the Russians then all the threats from their heads will go away! already just demon their stupid manifestations degradation on the face! Let them degrade so that normal people live normally a week before the shoe.
  30. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 29 May 2016 11: 18
    +1
    That's all, but not an electromagnetic gun! The electromagnetic gun shoots with electricity, and not with the usual powder charges — why there’s a fire loop behind the projectile, which shouldn’t be when shooting from the gun! And the main problem is too much barrel wear due to the gigantic kinetic energy and its high cost in production, such a gun now essentially does not fire gold, but a handful of diamonds.
  31. sabakina
    sabakina 29 May 2016 11: 20
    +5
    I understand that they want to break the record of corporal Svyatkin, who hit 37 tanks with one cartridge, and his second number "Kaluga" finished them off with the butt?
  32. xorgi
    xorgi 29 May 2016 11: 37
    -1
    I didn’t understand why the electromagnetic gun can only fire direct fire? Why can't she shoot howitzer?
    1. xorgi
      xorgi 29 May 2016 16: 01
      0
      Well, for what minus put wise guy?
    2. The stranger
      The stranger 29 May 2016 16: 05
      +2
      Because then it is meaningless.
      With a microscope, you can chop nuts, I checked it myself. But stupid.
    3. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 29 May 2016 17: 41
      +4
      Quote: xorgi
      I didn’t understand why the electromagnetic gun can only fire direct fire? Why can't she shoot howitzer?

      Because the hinged trajectory implies a decrease in the velocity of the projectile and after passing the ascending trajectory going down its speed is equal to or less than the usual projectile, and if we take into account that the main feature is the cheapness of the projectile, i.e. stupidly blanks, the damage from hitting it at the target is lower than the damage from howitzer hits, if you use a railgun to increase the range of landmines, you need a new projectile to withstand severe overloads it is possible but the economy is different, expensive gun with expensive charges, in short not weighted weapons, and tabletop shooting with the maximum speed of the disc is limited by the horizon 30km further higher and into space the earth is round and the path is straight
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 29 May 2016 21: 51
        0
        Quote: Kyrgyz
        Quote: xorgi
        I didn’t understand why the electromagnetic gun can only fire direct fire? Why can't she shoot howitzer?

        Because the hinged trajectory implies a decrease in the velocity of the projectile and after passing the ascending trajectory going down its speed is equal to or less than the usual projectile, and if we take into account that the main feature is the cheapness of the projectile, i.e. stupidly blanks, the damage from hitting it at the target is lower than the damage from howitzer hits, if you use a railgun to increase the range of landmines, you need a new projectile to withstand severe overloads it is possible but the economy is different, expensive gun with expensive charges, in short not weighted weapons, and tabletop shooting with the maximum speed of the disc is limited by the horizon 30km further higher and into space the earth is round and the path is straight



        Mounted shooting is also needed in order to synchronize hits on the target.
        The release of 3-5 shells on different trajectories in case of sufficient rate of fire will make it possible to ensure the simultaneous hit of all 3-5 shells.
        What you yourself understand is a big plus in some situations.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 29 May 2016 21: 57
          +1
          Quote: mav1971
          Release 3-5 shells on different trajectories in case of sufficient rate of fire - will ensure the simultaneous hit of all 3-5 shells

          - You, this .. article, in general, read? A discussion?
          - it has already been said a hundred times - it is impossible while "sufficient rate of fire" from a railgun .. because to charge it a battery is not to push a projectile into a cannon, you need a lot more energy, and time

          Quote: mav1971
          Mounted shooting is also needed in order to synchronize hits on the target ...

          - great .. only again - indirect fire from the railgun is pointless .. because the main feature (and the damaging factor, by the way) is the velocity of the projectile there .. and when mounted, it, speed, drops dramatically ..

          That's something like request
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 30 May 2016 07: 07
            -1
            Quote: Cat Man Null

            That's something like request


            Watch the story.
            The first cannons, with cannonballs, were also initially only "direct fire".
            Everything else was pointless.
            But.
            What has the development of history shown?

            so why not here?
            the development of several types of shells and it turns out a universal tool.


            And about the power - I do not think so. that there are so fools to develop weapons, and to him not be able to create - the main component.
  33. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 29 May 2016 11: 39
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    While our baby is sleeping, let them have fun))
  34. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 29 May 2016 11: 47
    +2
    eccentrics hit hysterics on wunderwaffles. I remember it was already with one hysterical adik. but then he really got mochilo arranged. and these then what?
  35. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 29 May 2016 11: 49
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    and what for the gun? it turns out and em field and gunpowder disperse a shell? at the construction stage? demonstration of future developments? is F-35 reincarnated?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 May 2016 13: 34
      +1
      There is no gunpowder there.
  36. rfv0304
    rfv0304 29 May 2016 11: 58
    +5
    The United States is once again trying to redirect us to Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. We need to keep only sufficient forces to contain possible Baltic "Fuhrer" in the Kaliningrad region, and direct the main forces to defeat the United States and England. These states (USA and England) and their military bases must be dealt the main blow.
  37. Maks-80
    Maks-80 29 May 2016 12: 06
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    What is the next Wunderwafle and the next Pentagon budget cut wassat
  38. Lumumba
    Lumumba 29 May 2016 12: 15
    +3
    Quote: Denis-Skiff
    and what for the gun?


    Explosive magnetocumulative generator, heard of such? Today, this is the most suitable way to reduce power consumption and increase rate of fire (no need to charge capacitors for hours).

    Quote: xorgi
    Why can an electromagnetic gun fire only direct fire?


    Because the initial velocity of the projectile is such that the corrections for the attraction of the earth can be neglected. The trajectory is close to a straight line.
  39. sir_obs
    sir_obs 29 May 2016 12: 22
    +4
    To be honest, I don’t catch up with the meaning of this weapon in principle. If in space its application would be understandable, there is no air resistance and the trajectory of the projectile to the target is practically a straight line, then on Earth it is still a ballistic curve. And at a projectile speed of 10 kilometers per second, you can not aim at a distance of these 10 kilometers especially, take into account the lead, wind speed and so on. But with increasing distance, all these factors will still play their negative role. And getting somewhere there at a distance of several tens of kilometers will already be as difficult as with ordinary guns. I strongly doubt that someone will allow you to get closer to such a distance. When our "loaves" went into combat service, the American augi tried not to come closer than 500 kilometers to the areas of their intended location. That is, at a distance of their use of weapons.
    And at what distance will the prodigy shoot?
    As a means of air defense, you can still understand, but it is still too cumbersome to quickly bring it to a high-speed target. Maybe I'm certainly not right, but so far there are more questions than answers.
  40. Stinger
    Stinger 29 May 2016 12: 30
    +1
    Interestingly, this gun will throw the defender of the Balts, "Deputy Head of the Pentagon Robert Work" from Estonia to the Urals?
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 29 May 2016 18: 33
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      Interestingly, this gun will throw the defender of the Balts, "Deputy Head of the Pentagon Robert Work" from Estonia to the Urals?

      I don’t know about the account to the Urals, but it’s quite possible to line up the Forbes list
  41. lablizn
    lablizn 29 May 2016 12: 39
    +1
    Congratulations to the Baltic states!
    Just because the states will not provide them, you will need to pay for the gun itself and its contents and its shots.
    Just half the budget of all three of the most democratic and independent Baltic states!
  42. Every
    Every 29 May 2016 12: 42
    +2
    Well put one such miracle cannon in the Baltic states, and so what? This is too little. She cannot shoot in lines, she needs time to recharge the batteries.
    If you place several, then you must immediately consider that they will consume just a huge amount of electricity. And now the question is about backfilling - who will pay for it? Americans - I doubt the Balts themselves remain. Apparently a new item will be included in the receipt - the charge of railgun batteries.

    They came up with well-striped ones - we’re our weapon and we use it, but you pay for the maintenance. Good luck to the Balts.
  43. misterwulf
    misterwulf 29 May 2016 12: 47
    +3
    By the way, in conditions of densely populated Europe with a solid dust, smog and water suspension, in the presence of thick clouds, with the same energy consumption, you can arrange a small Armagedon in one line (parallel). This is what I suggested about yesterday. what
  44. samoletil18
    samoletil18 29 May 2016 12: 53
    +1
    The news is still causing skepticism. But it is necessary to produce our own rail-based weapons as soon as possible: "Barguzin". Not so extravagant, but on rails.
  45. mr.fafes
    mr.fafes 29 May 2016 12: 59
    0
    We found something to scare the wretched!
    We also have similar technologies!

    Let them stick it in their fifth point!
  46. Dzhanych
    Dzhanych 29 May 2016 13: 03
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    And none of these warriors, fascinated by the energy of the wunderwafele, even thinks about how to get out of it? The projectile is hypersonic, you can't put any guidance into it, there is no stabilization by rotation either. When firing at long range, the atmosphere will "take" the ammunition away from the target.
    And when firing at a long distance, the same atmosphere will slow down the projectile to the speeds of ordinary armor-piercing scrap, and then what?

    Yeah, I also recommend batteries from AliExpress
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 30 May 2016 14: 42
      0
      Quote: Dzhanych
      batteries recommend from AliExpress

      Seriously - these are very good batteries, especially for capacities from 3A * h!
  47. TOR2
    TOR2 29 May 2016 13: 35
    +2
    Besides power, there is another problem with this thing. Each shot is a powerful electromagnetic burst. Such a side effect, well, cannot but affect the robot of electronic equipment. And for the metal it will not pass without a trace. Electroerrosion has not yet been canceled. About the impact on the crew, this is generally a song. The best and the exceptional will not start showing at half past five after the exercises?
  48. Verteidiger
    Verteidiger 29 May 2016 13: 58
    +1
    Another prodigy from the American Reich. They didn’t call this thing a Dora case? Let the new tank show. Tons per 200.
  49. Valter1364
    Valter1364 29 May 2016 14: 26
    +2
    There are more and more old jokes for Yusov’s affairs:

    The stewardess in the cabin of the new airliner announces what is on the plane:
    - On the first deck - luggage, on the second - a bar, on the third - a golf course, on the fourth pool.
    And adds:
    - And now, gentlemen, fasten your seat belt. Now with all this crap we’ll try to take off.

    laughing
  50. Castor oil
    Castor oil 29 May 2016 14: 39
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    It makes no sense to introduce this explosive generator into a railatron - the explosion of such a device - EMP - will disable all gun control systems, as well as communications equipment.

    good Here! And for some reason, no one even remembers that one operational-tactical missile with a nuclear warhead and, as a result, a powerful electromagnetic pulse will settle everything in a moment, and there will be no "miracle weapon".
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 29 May 2016 16: 41
      +1
      Yes, from the outside, the EMP from the nuclear explosion will be affected by the effect of the nuclear explosion, but if this source is inside the equipment, it will accurately output the system, and the fact that the EMP from the nuclear explosion will remove all the electronics is not entirely true - as an example of testing a thermonuclear charge of 9.8 megatons, right next to flying airplanes, even with cameras, nothing happened - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6PGZ4yiJqY
      1. Castor oil
        Castor oil 29 May 2016 19: 44
        0
        Nuclear weapons, the so-called Super-EMP surface (air) use, are far from fiction and have been known since 60's as a means of combating layered missile defense.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 29 May 2016 20: 51
          0
          It’s just that an air atomic explosion causes a flare on the radar - it blinds, because of this they abandoned the Taran missile defense system in the 70s.