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Defense Ministry will order command posts on the basis of helicopters

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is developing a technical task for new air control points (VZPU) based on helicopters, the press service reports Rosteha.


Defense Ministry will order command posts on the basis of helicopters


“The project of such a helicopter is present in the state armaments program. The technical task is now being formed, ”said the general director of the enterprise“ Flight ”(included in Rostec), Alexey Komyakov.

For the first time information about the project was made public in February of this year. “Then it was reported that the specialists of NPP Polyat created a prototype of equipment for the new generation of helicopters,” the press service recalled.

“Earlier, in the Soviet Union, several helicopters were developed that served as air command posts. In particular, they were equipped with Mi-6 helicopters (this variant is also known as Mi-22) and Mi-8. In addition, the control point was tested on the basis of a heavy Mi-26 helicopter, ”the corporation said.
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  1. Alex_Rarog
    Alex_Rarog 28 May 2016 12: 20
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    I think useful KP and maneuverability and radius in comparison with ground will be higher! so good luck to our designers!
    1. cniza
      cniza 28 May 2016 12: 23
      +4
      It will add mobility and efficiency in management and decision making.
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  2. ICT
    ICT 28 May 2016 12: 22
    +6
    "flight" began to row with a shovel ......?

    in the first Chechen everything was already proven and recorded,
    really needed VZPU IT il-22, everything else is an extra load .........,
    why step on the same rake
    1. dauria
      dauria 28 May 2016 12: 40
      +7
      really necessary VZPU IT is il-22, everything else is an extra load ..


      In any OVE attached to a motorized rifle division there was a VKP based on the Mi-8iv (Mi-9), which, incidentally, could "work" from the site. Or will you give the IL-18 (20, 22) divisions? Where will she put it?
      "in the first Chechen everything has already been proven ... "The only thing that Afghanistan and the Chechen company have proved is that after the seizure of the enemy's capital, the war (you can call it an occupation regime) continues, and not the kind for which they were preparing, but in which there is more work for the FSB and the police than for the army.
      1. ICT
        ICT 28 May 2016 14: 26
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        which, by the way, could "work" from the site

        but why if there is, there are enough ground-based PUs,
        Quote: dauria
        attached motorized division was the CPSU on the basis of Mi-8

        and who says that there wasn’t, the question is whether they are necessary (necessary) at the level
        Quote: dauria
        motorized rifle division
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 28 May 2016 16: 37
          +2
          Quote: TIT
          but why if there is, there are enough ground-based PUs,

          It depends on what motions are going on, there may be different situations, but it is not possible to carry the crank on the suspension.
      2. sgazeev
        sgazeev 28 May 2016 18: 17
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        In OVE, the GSVG had a VKP based on the Mi-6, it was heavy, it took off only by plane, then it entered the Mi-26 base, it was lighter, but it still crashed on takeoff with a strain.
  3. weksha50
    weksha50 28 May 2016 12: 25
    +1
    ""Earlier, in the Soviet Union, several rotorcraft were developedacting as air command posts "...

    Well, not a few, but more ... Maybe not the same as now, but still ...

    This is purely for the operational command, for the army and the district ...

    A necessary, even a very necessary thing for command and control ...
  4. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 28 May 2016 12: 28
    +1
    Previously, even the Mi-26 did not fit all the equipment, now of course it has become easier with electronics.
  5. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 28 May 2016 12: 37
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    Not enough information - command post of the air regiment, squadron? Armed or a minimum of armor and weapons? ...
  6. 31rus2
    31rus2 28 May 2016 12: 45
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    Dear, good news, it’s time to lift the airborne into the air, we have good helicopters and the weather is already one of the best.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 28 May 2016 13: 59
      +2
      Quote: 31rus2
      it's time to combine
      "Lever" also flew in the Union. And now this topic is not pushed
  7. Holsten
    Holsten 28 May 2016 13: 13
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    Helicopters for this purpose is the most. Especially when you consider that our helicopters are going to fly at a speed of 450 km \ h in the near future. Now is the time of limited military conflicts, and therefore the territory is limited, i.e. airplanes have nothing to do here (in that capacity).
  8. megafair
    megafair 28 May 2016 14: 27
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    The thing is definitely necessary, it allows you to increase mobility, it’s not for you to sit in the headquarters tent, and it’s necessary to send signalmen to stretch the cable, it’s not for the command armored personnel carrier to ride ...
    It’s harder to find, harder to destroy, more opportunities, higher mobility, and you don’t need a runway, complete independence from infrastructure, in general - I see solid pluses if you apply this technique correctly and wisely ...
    1. ICT
      ICT 28 May 2016 14: 44
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      Quote: megafair
      in general - I see solid pluses

      the main disadvantage is it is very expensive, both in itself and in the process of operation, it cannot be driven into the garage and wait for the next exercises,
      Quote: megafair
      it's not in a team armored personnel carrier to ride ...

      here I am about too prestige show off in one word
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 28 May 2016 21: 28
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        Quote: TIT
        here I am about prestige too, in one word

        You have a salon in the photo, not a control center. The board of the VSPU is much more modest. I do not presume to judge other types (arms) of troops, but in the Strategic Missile Forces this unit was in great demand, especially when the regiments were dispersed in field positions. In the division (before the abolition of the OVE) there were two sides of the Ivolga VTPU ​​(based on the Mi 17, if I don't confuse it). And they did not stand idle.
  9. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 28 May 2016 15: 51
    -1
    Quote: 31rus2
    Dear, good news, it’s time to lift the airborne into the air, we have good helicopters and the weather is already one of the best.

    EW in a helicopter? In principle, from the ground 100-200 is active up to 400km in the passive mode - there are no questions, and the turntable will have a weak power supply, only for the passive mode because, in addition to equipment with its requests, you also need to take the operators on board. In general, is there any point?
  10. igor67
    igor67 28 May 2016 18: 05
    +3
    Behind mi 8, there is mi 6 A, it was a flying command post under the Union, it was full of equipment,
    1. 3officer
      3officer 28 May 2016 21: 44
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      Mi 6 was com. point under the Union, and the eight with a torn tail is the current Ukrainian laughing What is such a command and command))
      1. not main
        not main 28 May 2016 22: 24
        +1
        Quote: 3officer
        Mi 6 was com. point under the Union, and the eight with a torn tail is the current Ukrainian laughing What is such a command and command))

        With all due respect, the helicopter does not have a tail, but an end beam!
  11. pvv113
    pvv113 28 May 2016 19: 05
    +2
    terms of reference for new airborne control centers (VzPU) based on helicopters

    On the basis of the Mi-8 / Mi-8MT, several modifications of the air command posts were created.
    Air command posts
    Mi-8VKP or Mi-8VzPU - air command post.
    Mi-8IV or Mi-9 - air command post for division commanders, serial modification.
    Mi-9 is an air command post for commanders of motorized rifle and tank divisions. Equipped with an automated communications system. It was created in 1977 on the basis of the Mi-8T.
    Mi-9R is an air command post for commanders of missile divisions of the Strategic Missile Forces. Equipped with an automated communications system. It was created in 1987 on the basis of the Mi-8MT.

    ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ми-8#.D0.9F.D0.BE.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.BD.D0.BE.D0.B2.D1.8
    9.D0.B8.D0.BA.D0.B8_.D0.BF.D0.BE.D0.BC.D0.B5.D1.85
    Many are still in service.
    In fact, Milevsky cars are reliable and tenacious. It is possible that the new VzKP will be created on the basis of the Mi-171 or Mi-172, depending on which plant will be assigned the task.
  12. Sukhoi
    Sukhoi 28 May 2016 20: 07
    0
    On the Mi-38, there would be nothing to myself.
  13. gregor6549
    gregor6549 29 May 2016 04: 36
    +1
    Suppose they make the CPSU on the basis of a military transport helicopter. Who will cover this helicopter from air and ground attacks?
    Indeed, in order to ensure an acceptable range of his regular means of radio communication and data transfer, he will need to rise to a decent height and thereby turn into a darling target for many enemy land defense systems and for his fighter and not only fighter aircraft. It will be such a VKP as a good bait for radio-homing missiles, especially since enemy reconnaissance instantly classifies such a helicopter as a particularly important target with all the ensuing consequences. We will also take into account that booking such a VKP as well as anti-aircraft and ground-based air defense systems will be absent. with a probability of .99.99% (because everything will be occupied by the VKP equipment) and we will get a very vulnerable VKP which not every commander would risk using for its intended purpose and exposing himself to his beloved unnecessary risk . It will be easier for him to command from a dugout or KShM placed on armor or auto equipment. Using a helicopter as an element of an information reconnaissance network, for example, a radio relay or a flying radar, is another matter. There is also a risk, but not the commanders will take the risk. My reasoning is not based on sand, but on assessments of the possibility of using helicopters and other flying machines to control dry troops, which was carried out in the 70x and 80x years when the ASUV Maneuver was developed