Saab and Lockheed "aggressively" promote their aircraft to the Indian market

The Swedish company Saab is taking active steps in order to participate in the “Do it in India” program, reports Military Parity.

“The company offers India a licensed production of Gripen-E fighter jets and technical assistance in building a light Tejas fighter. Already eight Indian companies are cooperating to some extent with the Saab group, ”writes a resource referring to Western media.

It is noted that "the American companies Boeing and Lockheed Martin with their F / A-18 and F-16 fighters are in sharp competition." However, Saab continues to actively fight. The company “is not limited only to promoting aviation programs, but also offers its services for the deployment of production of missile weapons, in particular short-range air defense systems and portable air defense systems. "

In turn, Lockheed Martin "handles" the Indian company Tata Group, offering on its basis to organize mass production of F-16.

"Lockheed hopes that New Delhi will make the right decision and organize the production of approximately 100 F-16 fighters," the article says.

According to the publication AirTeamImages.com, "Lockheed hopes that it will be able to win the competition in the next major competition for the production of fighters in India, which will be announced next year."

Comments

[oleg-gr]

"... New Delhi will make the right decision." Correct for Americans, not Indians. They are promoting old F-16. No, to offer the F-22 at the Tata price.

[just exp]

amers have a normal proposal. they also offer superhornets. and this is a very modern aircraft. and besides it is a deck, and the Indians, although they themselves build AB. and they take the catapult and the states, and not just the catapult. and here the superhornet will come in handy. what is the most perfect aircraft of all that they were offered.
but in the place of the Indians, I would not take the American. nobody canceled the bookmarks.

[Irokez]

Quote: just explo

In place of the Indians, I would not take the Ameroskoye. nobody canceled the bookmarks.

Well, you are also an Indian. Or they are like you. )))

[GSH-18]

It is noted that "the American companies Boeing and Lockheed Martin with their F / A-18 and F-16 fighters are in sharp competition." However, Saab continues to struggle actively.

It seems to me that the Americans will fly with a bang! Like plywood over Paris For all their modernization, Efka has been over-modernized and modernized to an impossible old age, nothing shines in them in Indosia. It’s just impossible to endlessly give off an old plane for nishtyak despite the fact that the new Russian models make this ecfically over-modernized wunderwafle in the tail and mane. Yes, and the Chinese already too. But Saab correctly approached the conclusion of the transaction. It’s just that the Indians love when all sorts of new and secret nishtyaks are handed over to them for free in the form of production regulations!

[just exp]

superhornet is a practically new plane. the difference between a hornet and a super hornet is like between a Su-27 and a Su-35. You will not call the Su-35 an old plane.

[Talgat]

Quote: oleg-gr

No, to offer the F-22 at the Tata price.

Here I think the question is not that. what junk offers. and not f 22

The key question is that the United States wants to tear India away from the BRICS, from Russia and China,

If India begins to arm itself with the United States, it will become dependent, and will be forced to follow their policies
And that means a confrontation with China

If it cooperates with Russia, then Russia will always be a mediator between China and India - t is not interested in the Russian Federation in the conflict. Nobody needs a conflict here, except for the USA

[alexmach]

The key question is that the United States wants to tear India away from the BRICS, from Russia and China,

What kind of brix? this is your brix only exists in the imagination of stock market speculators, that's all. There is no need to tear anything from him, because there is nothing. Nothing these countries together holds in that format.

[Irokez]

Well, yes, "Let me climb up to you and we'll turn around there." Hindus do not take junk they need new technologies.

[Blondy]

I don’t know, I somehow didn’t pay attention, but I got the impression that our aircraft-building capacities had already reached their limit, and there was already a queue of importers for our exports. And many cannot wait and seek other opportunities. That is, we are simply "harnessing" for too long.

[Altona]

Quote: Blondy

I don’t know, I somehow didn’t pay attention, but I got the impression that our aircraft-building capacities had already reached their limit, and there was already a queue of importers for our exports. And many cannot wait and seek other opportunities. That is, we are simply "harnessing" for too long.

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You wrote such an ambiguous comment. For an engineer with the availability of components, components and other necessary things, including qualified locksmiths, organizing the production is not a big brain. For a manager who prescribes all sorts of hooks in contracts, limits his workers' wages, limits his supply in order to increase profits, His Majesty the owner is a huge task.

[Blondy]

It somehow looks too easy - and who will ensure the availability of additional components, where to get additional locksmiths, on what and how to make new or additional equipment - so the engineers are puzzled above the roof. The more effective the managers are puzzled by a very new urgent problem - I quote:

Komsomolskaya Pravda 20:49 (see also iReactor 12:16, Izvestia 07:01)
The Ministry of Industry and Trade will allocate 200 million rubles for an electric airplane
The total cost of developing new items can be about 200 million rubles. As explained in the department, the need to create aircraft with alternative energy sources is due to the environmental situation on the planet and the depletion of oil reserves.

[Altona]

Quote: Blondy

It somehow looks too easy - and who will ensure the availability of additional components, where to get additional locksmiths, on what and how to make new or additional equipment - so the engineers are puzzled above the roof.

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The availability of engineers and locksmiths is the task of the state. Its education system should provide modern personnel, including good locksmiths. Otherwise, here at our factory a machine operator or a locksmith of more than 50 years of age will get sick and all the bosses with huge salaries have a headache - how to make a plan and ship it on time. The drums are not sharpened or the linings are not riveted. Well, in that spirit. What can you do? With the next "optimization", the performers were again reduced.

[dauria]

For an engineer with the availability of components, components and other necessary things, including qualified locksmiths, organizing the production is not a big brain.

The necessary things do not lie on the road, but are produced by a huge bunch of subcontractors who (oddly enough) need money and time. Nobody will give money without "hooks" in contracts. And time (for example, the number of engines per month) does not accelerate without money. Any general manager is more a manager than an engineer. (Do not be indignant, I am for the fact that the production experience of the level of the master-beginning. Of the shop - the director of the plant, he still had). But why, for example, Tupolev needed to know how many legs a transistor has? And what kind of engineer should, say, the director of a glass factory be? You have a negative attitude towards managers (and lawyers with accountants), but where can you go without them?

[Altona]

Quote: dauria

The necessary things do not lie on the road, but are produced by a huge bunch of subcontractors who (oddly enough) need money and time. Nobody will give money without "hooks" in contracts. And time (for example, the number of engines per month) does not accelerate without money. Any general manager is more a manager than an engineer. (Do not be indignant, I am for the fact that the production experience of the level of the master-beginning. Of the shop - the director of the plant, he still had). But why, for example, Tupolev needed to know how many legs a transistor has? And what kind of engineer should, say, the director of a glass factory be? You have a negative attitude towards managers (and lawyers with accountants), but where can you go without them?

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Firstly, I do not have a "negative attitude" towards managers in general, but a negative attitude towards the excessive role of some of them, who basically rule financial flows and they are absolutely not interested in your engines as such, but how much they will have from them. And the first question from them will be "the price of the issue" or "how much." As for the "hooks" in contracts, this is again to the question of taxing financial flows. Under Soviet rule, the "ruble" was used in industry as a means of measurement as "meter" or "kilogram". Now the "contractual system" prescribes the "risk of not receiving profit" from the project or disruption of supplies. As for the "subcontractors", here for some reason you went into the Soviet system. Most of your "subcontractors" are now in China. They will present you with a logistics plan and you are doing wonderfully well. Slap you gaskets and fittings, all kinds of rings and caps for them is not a question at all. You can order the same thing in Turkey, in Germany, anywhere. So, you have a kind of understanding. And the director of a glass factory must be a chemist and know the process well. In addition, it is desirable for him to know the basics of ACS in industry. Glass giants are now fully automated, such as in the city of Bor. There, the operators just sit in the operating room and watch the passage of the game. The warehouse is also automated, everything is there on multi-lifts, feeders and sorters. There are sensors and photocells around. I don’t know about the "transistor legs", for Tupolev the work of the flaps and wing mechanization was probably more important. Well, such things as engine thrust, dimensions of mechanisms and so on. After all, the greats were above all brilliant linkers. And the "transistor legs" are still made by a specialized company, in Chuvashia we make avionics by the way for aircraft.

[Verdun]

Quote: Altona

For an engineer with the availability of components, components and other necessary things, including qualified locksmiths, organizing the production is not a big brain. For a manager who prescribes all sorts of hooks in contracts, limits his workers' wages, limits his supply in order to increase profits, His Majesty the owner is a huge task.

A typical view of the manager, who never saw in the eyes of not completing, nor the element base, nor a qualified locksmith ...

[Altona]

Quote: Verdun

A typical view of the manager, who never saw in the eyes of not completing, nor the element base, nor a qualified locksmith ...

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I have not seen that? Collecting products (semi-trailers) weighing up to 25 tons. You probably haven't seen. As a manager and as an engineer, I worked at the same time. He negotiated with suppliers, delved into the new design and also transferred the technology to the new team, where to start. And for everything, my head and my not the biggest salary was enough for me. I had to re-calculate fittings, piping in an incorrectly designed brake system. Make TEBS versions for WABCO or Knorr-Bremse components. Calculate the length of the pipelines right there. With hydraulics, the same topic, look for distributors, flow dividers, fittings, pipelines, hydraulic cylinders of the required diameter and length. Also, drawings in the office 3D-draftsmen draw such that you have to draw a technological simplified sketch on a draft in the workshop. Here is a "typical look".

[Verdun]

Quote: Altona

I didn’t see it?

Then it’s not clear why you wrote such a comment. If there was sarcasm, from the side it was not visible.

I had to recount the fittings, pipelines in an improperly designed brake system. Make TEBS variants on WABCO or Knorr-Bremse accessories.

making changes to the brake system without coordination with the designers and manufacturers is a matter of law with real and very serious deadlines. From two years or more. I, as a car designer, even in the past, would definitely not risk it.

[Verdun]

Quote: Altona

recount fittings, pipelines in improperly designed brake system

I thought a little, and yet decided to take an interest in catching up. What can be counted in hoses or tubes of the brake system? In Her threaded fittings and tees? Withstand pressure? So this is just the problem of choosing the necessary components. They are either standardized for a specific pressure or not. I do not think that in this case someone was engaged in the manufacture of special parts. Lengths of pipes and hoses? So what is there to consider? Measure with a tape measure? Complex calculations are brake cylinders, discs, drums, springs ... And wiring is like that, the task for a student is a maximum of the second year.

[NordUral]

We, that is, they, effective managers, talk too much and interfere too much with techies in our populist chatter.

[megafair]

The first reaction was "Why couldn't ours get through to India," but then he changed his mind - we now need to re-equip our army, expand production capacity, and only then - it will be possible to drive for export ...

[razmik72]

Quote: megafair

The first reaction was "Why couldn't ours get through to India," but then he changed his mind - we now need to re-equip our army, expand production capacity, and only then - it will be possible to drive for export ...

Indians do not take Russian, mainly because of too advanced technologies, it is difficult for them to master such a technique.

[just exp]

nonsense. and mastered before and now will master. Trouble is that the Indians want too much. and in order to pay less and in order to transfer assembly and technology to them. and constantly needing more and more cheaply.

[razmik72]

Quote: just EXPL

nonsense. and mastered before and now will master. Trouble is that the Indians want too much. and in order to pay less and in order to transfer assembly and technology to them. and constantly needing more and more cheaply.

Reading VO, I came to this conclusion - Russian military technology has reached unprecedented heights.

[just exp]

You confuse the management of technology and its development.

[razmik72]

Quote: just EXPL

You confuse the management of technology and its development.

I don’t confuse anything — here on the site, every nation and every country has derogatory nicknames and nicknames, so I came to the conclusion that they will not be able to control Russian equipment, they have not grown to this.

[just exp]

Someone called you chock and you, offended by this, decided that all Russians think so?
You're wrong .

[HERMES]

Quote: just explo

Someone called you chock and you, offended by this, decided that all Russians think so?
You're wrong .

Someone called you m0skal and Urus and you are offended by this and decided that all chocks think so?
You're wrong.

[just exp]

I don’t think so. I separate the bad from the good. I know great people among Caucasians and I know real scum among them. among Russians the same situation.
but then what’s the reason for your resentment?

[HERMES]

Quote: just EXPL

I don’t think so. I separate the bad from the good. I know great people among Caucasians and I know real scum among them. among Russians the same situation.
but then what’s the reason for your resentment?

There is no resentment I support comrade razmik72 in this context ... being an Azerbaijani. And first of all he meant the contingent of the site. And he is right. Since on my own experiment in one topic, I first had a fairly good discussion on an ethnic topic ... before that the moment I did not specifically designate myself as an Azerbaijani - an instant change in the manner of conducting the discussion in a negative current. Standard jokes about the bazaar and tomatoes, and with a negative connotation. And the opponents at first seemed solid people. "From a high point" on the representatives of Central Asia and the Caucasus do not shy away from many of the representatives of the commentators on this site. Sometimes they cross the border ... right up to statements in an explicit Nazi manner.

[just exp]

so there were Azerbaijanis who in topics about Armenia and Karabakh spoke very derogatoryly about Russia.
these are wedges people, blurted out one, everyone was to blame.
there are many Nazis among the Russians, there are moderate nationalists, I am one of them (this is when you do not treat other nations badly, but you love your own, in fact it should be for every person of any nationality), there are Toleras who generally abandon their people. but about tomatoes and stuff, this is a common stereotype (which is not true), such as the fact that all Russian drunks. Yes, among the Russians there are a lot of thumping ones, but among Azerbaijanis there are many who sell vegetables and fruits, but this does not apply to the rest.

[Pereira]

It’s hard to master. It is necessary to think of such a thing?

[HERMES]

Quote: razmik72

Indians do not take Russian, mainly because of too advanced technologies, it is difficult for them to master such a technique.

For this reason, Indians may not buy equipment from the USA or Europe (Rafal, Typhoon, Efrofayter and other midges) ... that is, not because of advanced technologies, but their wisdom. The combat effectiveness of Russian (Soviet) equipment is not inferior to American, while that the cost of technology is much lower, production is faster and cheaper, maintenance is easier.

[dauria]

The combat readiness of Russian (Soviet) equipment is not inferior to American, despite the fact that the cost of technology is much lower

F-16 is the most massive and cheapest of the 4th generation aircraft in the world. If it suits them according to the characteristics, if the conditions of the contract suit them, why not buy it? People walk around the market ...

[Altona]

Quote: megafair

The first reaction was "Why couldn't ours get into India",

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On TV, one Indian showed a primitive bracket bent on a listogib and said that "the Russians limit even such primitive things" in technology transfer. If he is right, it’s not surprising.

[Backfire]

It does not interfere.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

India needs a 5th generation fighter, not 4th generation aircraft. Let me remind you that India has more than 400 Su-30MKI fighters. Which they can upgrade until the arrival of the 5th generation fighter in service.
Interestingly, no one offers them the F-35.

[razmik72]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

India needs a 5th generation fighter, not 4th generation aircraft. Let me remind you that India has more than 400 Su-30MKI fighters. Which they can upgrade until the arrival of the 5th generation fighter in service.
Interestingly, no one offers them the F-35.

As far as I remember, India, together with Russia, was developing a fifth-generation T-50 aircraft, the fifth generation should be offered by Russia, not the States and Swedes.

[megafair]

India is participating in the PAKFA project - only with money. In exchange, it receives an export version + AFAR technology for the modernization of its Su-30s. Like so.

[just exp]

Indians participate in the FFA program and a little engineering. they participate in the development of avionics, and wrote something about participation and engines, but along the way the news was fake. + they there on materials Th wanted to shove their own.

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Su-30

Well, no, up to 400 pieces, the Su-30 of India is still far away.

[just exp]

Do not tell me, how can the Su-30MKI be upgraded to a fifth-generation aircraft?
below, a person has already written that Indians are waiting for FFA.

[Mountain shooter]

To begin with, the capitalist is strong because he understands his benefits and "climbs" without soap into any crack. At present, this is not our primary task. Indians are cunning. Often this "seething" is associated with an attempt to bring down the price.

[FID]

By the way, the Indians abandoned the joint production of IL-214 ... They do not like our officials ...

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: SSI

They do not like our officials ...

Nobody likes them!

[quote]

Quote: PHANTOM-AS

Quote: SSI

They do not like our officials ...

Nobody likes them!

And who like Hindu officials! For five rupees, they will take out the "brain" and the basin will not be needed. Since they will also have the technology for the basin, and then be responsible for the "crooked handles" (there are a lot of claims, and as a result, violation of the production and technical process )!

[Thunderbolt]

"Il", diplomatically stated that with the Indians frozen for adjustment. But also said that:“IL-214 will appear if the Ministry of Defense decides”.What is the Defense Ministry keeping silent? The budget is not rubber or again "friends of the people" officials hurry up?

[Stas157]

Quote: SSI

By the way, the Indians abandoned the joint production of IL-214 ... They do not like our officials ...

Can I have a link? It was reported that the Indians and Antonov agreed to produce the An-178, which, in fact, knowing the Indians how old they can peck their brains, it’s written with a pitchfork on the water. IL-214 slowed down, but there was no failure on it! Perhaps the negotiations on the An-178, the Indians knock prices. Another point, the Indians wanted imported engines on the Il-214, it is unlikely that after this the Ukrainian ones will do!

[edeligor]

Hindus on the chaff will not lead! Most likely, another throw-think think, wanting to master the darkness of our market, bargaining is appropriate.

[Zaurbek]

Hindus smoke, it seems to me that it’s zabory. Initially, the theme was to unify the fleet of light fighters, a modern light-medium universal fighter.
Practically produced their Tejas (judging by the engine) classmate and F-16 and Grippen. At first they wanted to buy Rafal and produce it.
Now they also want to buy and do the F-16 with Grippen.
If you already made a tejas, well, saw it and it will be armed with a light tejas, a heavy su-30. Why so many different types of aircraft ?! Or they wouldn’t bother and bought a license for Grippen or F-16.

[alexmach]

why something, and somehow they are not at all afraid of diversity.

[Aaron Zawi]

Generally visible tedtion in Indian claws. They are ready to conclude large contracts only with the transfer of technology and the organization of production on the spot.

TSAMTO, May 27. The Indian Ministry of Defense has completed negotiations with the Israeli Rafael Advanced Defense Systems on the cost of selling Spike anti-tank missile systems.
According to the Janice Defense Weekly, citing industry sources, the Indian Defense Ministry negotiating committee completed consultations on the acquisition of 275 launchers and 5500 Spike missiles and an unnamed number of simulators. The agreement will also include the transfer of technology to the state-owned Bharat Dynamics Limited (Bharat Dynamics Limited - BDL) for the production of 1500 systems and 30 thousand missiles.
The contract for the supply of a firing-and-forget ATGM system with an active-passive third-generation guidance system capable of hitting a target in the upper projection is likely to be signed as part of a visit to India by Israeli President Reuven Rivlin.
It is expected that deliveries will be completed within 48-60 months after the signing of the contract, and Bharat Dynamic Limited will continue to manufacture complexes under license for the next 20-25 years.
Kalyani Strategic Systems, a company with which Rafael signed an agreement on the creation of a joint venture in February 2015, will also take part in the implementation of the contract by supplying components and subsystems manufactured at a company in Hyderabad.
As TsAMTO reported, in 2009 the Ministry of Defense of India approved the purchase directly from the manufacturer and manufacture in the country of 1914 ATGM launchers, 37860 missiles, including training ammunition and 107 simulators, to equip 359 infantry battalions. The reason for the purchase was called the DRDO's inability to deliver a national production system.
ATGM Spike successfully passed preliminary tests in India during 2010-2011, during which more than 50 missiles were launched. However, the growing number of corruption allegations in the purchase of defense products forced the Indian Ministry of Defense in 2013 to abandon the acquisition of anti-tank systems from a single manufacturer.
Nevertheless, in the future, under pressure from the SV command, the procurement procedure was resumed. After being adopted, Spike will supplement the ATGM Nag, which has been developed by DRDO for almost 33 years. In 2010-2011 SV took "Nag" into service with reservations. SV placed an order for 443 Nag complexes and 13 Namika self-propelled complexes, but their delivery was delayed for several years due to technological problems.
DRDO also turned to Rafael with a proposal to put the GOS for ATG “Nag”. This step was taken after the refusal of the French Thales, which previously supplied them to India, to transfer the production technology of GOS.
The supply of SPIK anti-tank systems is important for the SV, which intend to equip about 1000 BMP-2 / 2K units with them during the modernization. An Israeli ATGM will also likely be armed with a promising FICV infantry fighting vehicle.

[Zaurbek]

I am for consistency and unification ... Spike is a breakthrough technology, here the interest is clear. and with planes they’re a mess. And still there is no special independence. China can even produce the Su-30, completely. Something better, something worse than the original. And the Hindus cannot. The same is with tejas and other projects.

[megafair]

I probably missed something at the expense of China

Quote: Zaurbek

China can even produce the Su-30, completely. Something better, something worse than the original.

Enlighten;)

[newcomer]

in the summer our state will undergo state tests35. then there will be a contract from our mo. here, then I think all the arrogance will disappear and the Indians will buy a moment35.

[iouris]

In our world, everyone is free to strive to sell their independence as expensive as possible.

[MACCABI-TLV]

on SAAB radar with AFAR? who is in the know?

[Verdun]

The offer of the Swedes, at least in the form described in the article, is much more profitable. Not only ready-made aircraft, but also technologies and assistance in development. "Teach a man to fish, and you will provide him with food for life ..."

[iouris]

Everyone is interested in acquiring technology, not technology.