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Buy you a mirror, gentlemen "democrats"?

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How did I get this hypocritical whine of the West and its puppets about the poor Poles, who were divided as a result of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.


Buy you a mirror, gentlemen "democrats"?

Well, first of all, there was no “pact”. There was a "contract". Non-aggression pact.

Secondly, this treaty was preceded by some other “covenants”.

To begin with, who signed the treaties with Hitler and Mussolini there long before Stalin? Oh, suddenly! September 30 The so-called Munich Agreement was concluded by 1938, according to which Great Britain and France handed over to the Third Reich the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia. Representatives of the USSR, by the way, were denied participation in the negotiations.

The Pact on the plum of the Sudetenland region of Czechoslovakia to the Nazis was signed by British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, French Prime Minister Edward Daladier, German Chancellor Adolf Hitler and Italian Prime Minister Benito Mussolini.

Two years ago, in 2014, the “non-aggression pact” between Yanukovych and the opposition Maidan was signed by the ministers of France and Germany. Do not suggest analogies and parallels?

Actually, here is a photo of the entire company, not to get out (from left to right, as listed above).


But back to stories. In the spring of 1939, Nazi troops invade Czechoslovakia. The Soviet Union, which had an agreement on mutual assistance with Czechoslovakia, is ready to intervene and asks Poland for a corridor so that Soviet troops defend Czechoslovakia from the Nazis.

By the way, of all the countries participating in the League of Nations, only the USSR tried in March 1938 to protest against the annexation of Austria, but the United Kingdom sharply opposed the Soviet efforts again.

And it was the Soviet representative who declared at the plenum of the Council of the League of Nations about the need for urgent measures in support of Czechoslovakia, as well as the requirement to raise the issue of German aggression in the League of Nations. What was ignored by the UK and France (nothing like?).

Moreover, the Soviet government makes a statement to the Polish government that any attempt by the latter to occupy part of Czechoslovakia automatically cancels the non-aggression treaty between the USSR and Poland.

And Poland refuses the USSR the right of passage for the Soviet army. It got to the point that the Polish ambassador in Paris, Lukasevich, assured the US ambassador to France Bullitt that Poland would immediately declare war on the USSR if he tried to send troops through Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia, and if Soviet planes appeared over Poland on the way to Czechoslovakia, they would immediately will be attacked by the Polish aviation.

Instead of helping the Czechs, Poland itself invades Czechoslovakia and seizes the Cieszyn region (after which the USSR had all the rights to declare war on Poland). In fact, Poland shares Czechoslovakia with the Third Reich, which was a preliminary agreement between Polish Foreign Minister Jozef Beck and Foreign Minister of the Third Reich, the notorious Ribbentrop.

The so-called Beck-Ribbentrop Pact. What happened? Pilsudski worse than Hitler?

But he, by the way, together Goebbels.



And in the third photo just Polish Minister Beck. Oh, who is he with? Is it with Adik? Can not be! This is Photoshop! Kremlin propaganda!



So what happens, citizens? The head of Poland Mostsitsky is the same as Hitler? British Prime Minister Chamberlain is the same as Hitler? French Prime is the same as Hitler? Or are they all even worse than Hitler, as the liberals broadcast to us about Stalin (in Poland, by the way, had their own concentration camps, for example, in Birch Kartuzsky)?

Wasn’t it advisor to the British Prime Minister, Horace Wilson, stated that "Germany and England are the two pillars supporting the peace of the order against the destructive pressure of Bolshevism"? Kissing with Hitler in the gums? More like smacking!

It turns out that the capitalist ideology (liberal, democratic, without a difference) is equal to Nazism? Need to strongly condemn the British monarchy for collaborating with the Nazis? Where does the democratic public look? It is time to hold accountable damned hypocrites who have entered into agreements with Hitler!

Buy you a mirror, gentlemen "democrats"?

PS I have to admit that in this situation Winston Churchill looks worthy, who, on this occasion, said “England was offered the choice between war and disgrace. She chose dishonor and will get the war. ”
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  1. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 28 May 2016 04: 59
    +40
    Great Britain and France gave the Third Reich the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia. Representatives of the USSR, by the way, were denied participation in the negotiations.

    It should also be noted that Czechoslovakians were not invited either.
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 28 May 2016 05: 10
      +42
      Quote: ShadowCat
      Czechoslovakians were not invited either.

      - The West and America remember only what is beneficial to them. And to look closer - these same "democrats" are still LAPSHEVES.
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 28 May 2016 05: 50
        +8
        Uguk. And others shob poke repentance! * damn I lack pathos for all this * laughing
        1. BilliBoms09
          BilliBoms09 28 May 2016 08: 42
          +43
          How did I get this hypocritical whine of the West and its puppets about the poor Poles, who were divided as a result of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.
          I also got this whining. By and large, there was no occupation of Poland by the USSR: firstly, the Union returned the original Russian lands, which were supposed to go to the RSFSR through Curzon, and secondly, the Red Army entered this territory after Poland lost the German war and the Polish government fled to London. Those. there was no attack and occupation, because there was no one to attack !!!
          1. Alena Frolovna
            Alena Frolovna 28 May 2016 14: 50
            +33
            UNNA MORITS

            about these very "democrats"

            Fifteen years ago, the Serbs requested
            They can’t be bombed during Orthodox Easter,
            They cannot be bombed when Christ is Risen.
            But a lady with a devilish smile of excellence
            She answered on behalf of the State Department,
            On behalf of global domination,
            That the request of the Serbs is historically ridiculous,
            And if you think about global interest,
            About democracy, about moral progress,
            It’s necessary for Serbs to bomb on Easter,
            Without this, it will not be convincing
            Victory not bombing on Easter
            For the reason that Christ is Risen.




            For the West, Russia has a bone in its throat.
    2. Blondy
      Blondy 28 May 2016 07: 35
      +45
      It should also be noted the Hitler-Pilsudski Pact of 1934 with secret annexes, the disputed territories between Poland and Germany were decided at the expense of Russia, which the three of Japan Peolsha and Germany were going to attack. But the Americans only published the Molotov Ribbetronprop Pact. And Yakovlev, for some reason, did not ask the question in his time: why are the staffs in which all the captured Reich archives of the Reich can be stored, did not publish the rest of the treaties. including secret ones, and they were full. And under Yeltsin, for some reason everyone was silent in a rag, and strange things were happening with a folder in Katyn.
      1. tolian
        tolian 29 May 2016 17: 19
        +4
        Ask the chemist historian Svanidze. He knows for sure.
    3. Amurets
      Amurets 28 May 2016 08: 00
      +1
      Quote: ShadowCat
      Great Britain and France gave the Third Reich the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia. Representatives of the USSR, by the way, were denied participation in the negotiations.

      It should also be noted that Czechoslovakians were not invited either.

      For the next, 1939, England and France sent delegations that did not have authority. http://www.perspektivy.info/print.php?ID=39530 In addition, Maisky writes about this in his memoirs. http://militera.lib.ru/memo/russian/maisky_im1/05.html
      And on August 23, when Ribbentrop suddenly flew to Moscow and the non-aggression pact was signed, then everyone was in shock. Https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%BE% D0% B2% D0% BE% D1% 80_% D0
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      %B5%D0%B6%D0%B4%D1%83_%D0%93%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0
      %B8_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BC_%D0%A1%D0%BE%D1%8E%D0
      % B7% D0% BE% D0% BC. This is where Wiki can be fully trusted.
    4. Seren
      Seren 28 May 2016 09: 30
      -45%
      It should be noted that in this story everyone is disgusting: Chamberlain, Daladier, Pilsudsky ... But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.

      PS By the way, the Czechs had a very powerful and equipped army at that time. What they did not have was fighting spirit and readiness to fight and die for their country.

      PPS I can understand the fears of the Poles to open their border for the passage of Soviet troops to help Czechoslovakia. This would end in a "sudden" communist revolution in Warsaw.
      1. DV69
        DV69 28 May 2016 09: 37
        +33
        It should be noted that in this story everyone is disgusting: Chamberlain, Daladier, Pilsudsky ... But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.


        Again 25. Again Stalin is to blame. Again, talk that Stalin unleashed 2 MB.
        For people like you, it’s always Stalin, Putin and others who are always to blame. And that is characteristic, all of these Stalin-Putin did and are doing ve for the good of Russia. Maybe their main fault is this?

        1. AleksUkr
          AleksUkr 29 May 2016 01: 29
          +6
          Quote: DV69
          Maybe their main fault is this?


          There are no doubters among normal, sensible people. They are only among staunch representatives who hate everything Russian. Unfortunately, many of them live in Russia, but try to harm her, all citizens. They have nothing to do with it. During the war, there were practically no 5th column in the USSR . I.V. Stalin cleaned them in the 30s. So they can’t calm down. They are waiting for them to organize a worthy meeting with those who have left for a different world .... Wait. The patience of the people may dry up ...
      2. kotvov
        kotvov 28 May 2016 09: 50
        -24%
        . But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place. ,,
        I think by the number of civilians killed, you, like a pig, are standing nearby.
        1. DV69
          DV69 28 May 2016 12: 25
          +25
          Quote: kotvov
          . But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place. ,,
          I think by the number of civilians killed, you, like a pig, are standing nearby.

          You are kind, do not talk, if Joseph Vissarionovich killed his population, then the problems of bandravets in today's Ukraine did not stand, due to the lack of nationalists. And he sent them to the camps, from where the members of UNAUNSO and the UPA left, then bred and now we have what we have.
          And by the way, why are they all forgetting about Khrushchev, with his executions of workers in the Rostov Region?
          Can you bring the fact of the same actions of Stalin?
          1. 2ez
            2ez 31 May 2016 09: 34
            0
            I will add that Bandera, having received 25 years of camps each (then the death penalty was abolished in the USSR, this is a fact!), Received an amnesty for the corn-worker, returned to their homeland, bringing ALL the money they earned in the camps ... And they paid well there! By the way, there is an excellent story on this topic, by Ivan Shamyakin, "I'll Take Your Pain", the film of the same name with Vladimir Gostyukhin in the title role was also shot, however, there is about a Belarusian policeman, but horseradish is no sweeter radish ...
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      3. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 28 May 2016 09: 53
        +36
        Quote: seren
        But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.
        In general, it is funny to hear such words from a citizen of the state, which was created with the active participation of Stalin. And by the way, how many Jews did the Stalin regime gobble up? And Hitler?
        1. MrK
          MrK 28 May 2016 21: 59
          +23
          Thanks Ami du peuple. I will supplement your comment, for those who equate Stalin and Hitler, with a poem by Yunna Moritz, my beloved poetess (I myself am Russian).

          "When would you live in Europe
          Under Goebbels and Ribbentrop,
          WHERE EUROPEAN JEWISH
          THROWED IN THE FURNACE, SKY WARMING, -

          Then you would not argue:
          Who is worse - Hitler or Stalin?

          When would you live in Europe
          Under Goebbels and Ribbentrop,
          Where are the European fascists
          There were fluffy and scented
          In the soap factory where the beast
          Brewed soap from a Jew, -

          Then you would not argue:
          Who is worse - Hitler or Stalin? ...
      4. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 28 May 2016 10: 05
        +11
        "... It would end in a 'sudden' communist revolution in Warsaw."
        History knows no subjunctive mood. So that "would" not roll. What was - what was. What wasn’t worth talking about is not worth it.
      5. alicante11
        alicante11 28 May 2016 11: 11
        +9
        PS By the way, the Czechs had a very powerful and equipped army at that time. What they did not have was fighting spirit and readiness to fight and die for their country.


        And you compare this powerful army with the Wehrmacht, even if not in its heyday, plus the Italian army. And, quite possibly, the Anglo-French contingents. Because the Czechs were strongly advised not to resist, but to relax and try to have fun.
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 28 May 2016 23: 52
          +3
          From memory of 38 Czech divisions against 45 German. Moreover, Czech divisions defended themselves on the strongest fortified areas. The Italian army didn’t even smell there.

          As for fighting spirit, too, is not all simple. After the announcement of the mobilization, the first reservists began to arrive at the recruiting stations after 15 minutes. The second volume of the history of the Second World War.
          1. tolian
            tolian 29 May 2016 17: 36
            +4
            But during the operation "Bagration", in 44, my grandmother rescued a burnt SS tanker in Belarus. He kept saying - I’m not German, I’m Czech.
            I won’t be surprised if we ever hear that I’m not an American, I am a Pole, or I am a crest from a Banderstad.
        2. alexej123
          alexej123 29 May 2016 11: 38
          +1
          From V. Shelenberg's memoirs (there is a book, but is it true or not?) - after the seizure of Czechoslovakia, G. Himmler, having familiarized himself with the work of the special services of Czechoslovakia, said: "I will take them all to the Wafen SS, exceptional material." That is, it cost them in 1938. only help, let the Red Army go to them. And I think there would not have been 41 as we know him.
      6. Aleksander
        Aleksander 28 May 2016 12: 04
        +16
        Quote: seren
        It should be noted that in this story everyone is disgusting: Chamberlain, Daladier, Pilsudsky ... But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.

        That is, you sincerely regret that Hitler did not take Brest, Lviv and other Jewish towns already in 1939 and didn’t destroy local Jews even then? Which, however, you do not like Jews.
        1. 2ez
          2ez 31 May 2016 09: 38
          0
          The Germans took Brest in 1939 ... The fortress defended as many as three! days, then the garrison quickly scattered. Then there was a joint parade of German and Soviet troops. More precisely, the Germans left, ours entered, took this parade Guderian and brigade commander Krivoshein.
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      8. atakan
        atakan 28 May 2016 12: 35
        +11
        Seren
        But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.

        looked at the commentator’s flag,
        - Well, not at all surprised!

        And the fact that Hitler worked hand in hand with
        Jewish organizations for the organization of Israel, is this not considered?
        They killed all the crosses and are happy !!
        1. I am human
          I am human 30 May 2016 09: 29
          -1
          I looked at the TV ... too, only in a more perverse form [
          quote = atakan] looked at the commentator’s checkbox,
          - Well, not at all surprised! [/ quote]
      9. Dart2027
        Dart2027 28 May 2016 12: 59
        0
        Quote: seren
        But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.

        The one that pitted Hitler with its creators?
      10. andrew42
        andrew42 28 May 2016 14: 05
        +4
        This is called "from a sore head, but to a healthy one." Come on, burn it. Why waste time on trifles! Write immediately "Putin is to blame."
        1. 2ez
          2ez 31 May 2016 09: 39
          0
          THREE GUILTY PUTIN !!! lol
      11. Altona
        Altona 28 May 2016 14: 29
        +3
        Quote: seren
        But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.

        ---------------------
        Dear, your fucking country (Israel) was created by the way Stalin. And how do you live in it?
        1. Seren
          Seren 28 May 2016 14: 42
          -22%
          My country was created by the soldiers of Ezel, Haganah, Palmach and Lehi, who were almost unarmed able to drive the British invaders and then repelled the Arab aggression. And Comrade Stalin had the hope of turning the Israeli socialists into Soviet satellites. As soon as Comrade Stalin realized that this would not happen, diplomatic relations with Israel were broken and a company was launched in the USSR to exterminate Jewish culture, mass anti-Semitism and prepare the Holocaust in the Soviet version. Fortunately for us, Comrade Stalin died in time and his grandiose plans to exterminate the Jews did not materialize. But the poisonous seeds of anti-Semitism yielded an abundant harvest, which we can observe in many comments on VO. By the way, one can have many complaints against Putin, but one thing can be firmly said: unlike Stalin or Khrushchev, he is not anti-Semitic.
          1. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 28 May 2016 15: 06
            +40
            Quote: seren
            Fortunately for us, Comrade Stalin died in time and his grandiose plans to exterminate the Jews did not materialize.
            Eva, how are you doing it on behalf of Stalin! Maybe because in the 30s he cleaned out the "old Bolsheviks", the majority of which consisted of people of the Jewish faith? And then, "kgovy Begia", having become the people's commissar of internal affairs, cleaned out the "cleaners", who for the most part also (surprise!) Came from the pre-revolutionary "Pale of Settlement". By 1939, by the way, the national composition of the NKVD organs underwent tremendous changes. If even in the 37th, 70% of the people of the People's Commissariat were of Jewish nationality, then two years later the proportion changed - 70% were Russians.
            This is probably why the descendants of the "commissars in dusty sideways" who emigrated to the "promised land" are so jarred by any positive (or even neutral) mention of Stalin.
            Quote: seren
            But the poisonous seeds of anti-Semitism yielded a plentiful harvest, which we can observe in many comments on
            The Jewish national trait touches when, in response to disagreement with their position, these citizens begin to accuse the opponent of anti-Semitism. Well, talk on your kosher resources. What is the problem? And then, on your part, just some kind of moral masochism turns out.
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 28 May 2016 16: 01
              +27
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              The Jewish national trait touches when, in response to disagreement with their position, these citizens begin to accuse the opponent of anti-Semitism.

              And this is not a defensive reaction, this is an attack. yes
              In the modern world, anti-Semite is not one who does not like Jews, but one who does not like Jews. (C)
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 28 May 2016 18: 06
              +3
              Ami du people

              At the expense of moral mozahism amused.

              Yes, Zionism uses ideology. Changes in morality.

              Zionism is the ideology of gaining the superiority of one people in the assimilation of another people in the country.

              The well-known "catechesis" is a program for changing morality to gain superiority.
            3. tolian
              tolian 29 May 2016 17: 44
              0
              And they still necessarily disagree with them will be accused of ...... envy !!!! Well, powders with Kolomoisky!
          2. Parsec
            Parsec 28 May 2016 16: 22
            +13
            Quote: seren
            My country was created by the soldiers of Ezel, Haganah, Palmach and Lehi, who were almost unarmed able to drive the British invaders and then repelled the Arab aggression.


            The Jew, which rushing, on the show off, covers the dag as a bull to a sheep.

            Wake up, Haganer. You forgot what the British Empire was about and what your courageous fighters on a piece of desert were. The big ones decided - to be Israel, and Israel became.
          3. ochakow703
            ochakow703 28 May 2016 16: 44
            +5
            Ohhh ... a really sick Jew. Well this is how much anger lurks in a human, there is probably something for it, or maybe just a loser.
            1. tolian
              tolian 29 May 2016 17: 46
              0
              He is not a Jew. Jew is a nationality. HE is typical LJ, and this is a profession.
          4. Dym71
            Dym71 28 May 2016 16: 57
            +2
            Quote: seren
            And Comrade Stalin had the hope of turning the Israeli socialists into Soviet satellites. As soon as Comrade Stalin realized that this would not happen, diplomatic relations with Israel were broken


            I wish I could learn more about this story! Seren, you are probably aware of the topic, please light up the question, you look the book will come out, I have already come up with a name for it - "How the Israeli socialist comrades of Comrade Stalin carried out" - what do you name? If you liked it, take it for free laughing
          5. Orionvit
            Orionvit 28 May 2016 17: 11
            +3
            In serena, the ukro-maidan tumor progresses. It seems that he read the history of Israel in Ukrainian history textbooks. In what form does insanity not flourish. For Jews, history is what is written in their torus, which has nothing to do with real events, on the basis of which the Jewish state was created, and the genocide of the local population (Palestinians, Arabs, etc.) was carried out.
          6. gladcu2
            gladcu2 28 May 2016 18: 11
            +4
            Seren

            You have a wild mess in your head.

            Putin deliberately ignores Zionism. And he talks with the Jews from the standpoint of generally accepted morality. In this regard, he is certainly not an anti-Semite.

            Yes, Putin, the man is still the same. Thank you for being there. If not for it, then the whole world would have covered itself with a copper basin.
            1. atalef
              atalef 28 May 2016 18: 18
              -10%
              Quote: gladcu2
              And he talks with the Jews from the standpoint of generally accepted morality.

              you constantly appeal to the term - generally accepted moral
              It is possible in more detail and more specifically, that it also to point-wise.
              And then suddenly it turns out that your generally accepted morality is the morality of the Aleuts from the Canadian north.
              Quote: gladcu2
              If not for it, then the whole world would have covered itself with a copper basin.

              Is it all right?
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 28 May 2016 18: 27
                +6
                atalef

                I will answer. The question is correct.

                According to Aristotle, law is not a state law, but the right to use one’s freedom within a family without intersecting with the rights of other family members. Morality is an extended right with a going beyond within the seed.

                Morality is a system of concepts, relationships in society are not subject to regulation by the laws of the state due to the insignificance of the consequences of violation of these laws.

                Aristotle put morality at the basis of the creation and development of the state.

                Well, any immoral act of members of the government carries with it serious material consequences.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 28 May 2016 19: 07
                  -8
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  According to Aristotle, law is not a state law, but the right to use one’s freedom within a family without intersecting with the rights of other family members. Morality is an extended right with a going beyond within the seed.

                  It can be easier for plebeians, pliz.
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Morality is a system of concepts, relationships in society are not subject to regulation by the laws of the state due to the insignificance of the consequences of violation of these laws.

                  about morality - I agree, but you are pushing the cart a bit ahead of the steam locomotive on the basis of moral standards (local and each in many ways) and the laws of the country are being formed
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Aristotle put morality at the basis of the creation and development of the state.

                  Morality is an ephemeral thing, if it is not specified, since from the moral point of view of cannibals, there are people - this is normal, and you try to prove that this is not so.
                  Therefore, do not appeal to the word morality, without specifying the concept and what is behind it
                  Quote: gladcu2
                  Well, any immoral act of members of the government carries with it serious material consequences.

                  Useless set of letters.
                  Tk there are violations of moral standards falling under the Criminal Code, but there is something not.
                  And the expression - No comment - you probably heard more than once.
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 28 May 2016 19: 49
                    +7
                    Atalef

                    What is ephemeral in morality? The moral of cannibal and your two different things. Of course different.

                    Will your state be different in relation to the state of cannibals will there be doubts?

                    I gave you a clear term of morality without any description.

                    You are not using counterarguments in your dialogue, you are simply denying. With this approach, we cannot develop a single point of view.

                    I come to the conclusion that you just flood. Clogging information.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 28 May 2016 20: 36
                      -9
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      What is ephemeral in morality?

                      nothing, it's just based on the moral principles of a group of people
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      Will your state be different in relation to the state of cannibals will there be doubts?

                      Of course, maybe if you are trying to speak a florid language here, then please justify your statements, and do not go down to a cheap talk
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      I gave you a clear term of morality without any description

                      No, maybe Aristotle Sorry lived in the period of polytheism, and his concepts of morality are absolutely far from modern concepts of the Western World’s morality based on Christian values
                      Therefore, please introduce the basic concepts of morality (According to Aristotle), and then discuss
                      Quote: gladcu2
                      You are not using counterarguments in your dialogue, you are simply denying.

                      It is not possible to give counterarguments in the absence of arguments. Hiding behind common phrases in your post there was nothing concrete.

                      Quote: gladcu2
                      I come to the conclusion that you just flood. Clogging information.

                      This is your own business, but you haven’t said anything concrete for such a long time.
                      Having given the word morality - but without explaining at least to what civilization it belongs
                      Arguing that capitalism is a dead end is the same as having forgotten about the arguments.
                      Good luck hi
                      1. asiat_61
                        asiat_61 29 May 2016 05: 20
                        +1
                        concepts of morale of the Western world based on Christian values ​​... do you think the dovecote is Western values? Somehow with Christianity, well, no matter how.
                      2. I am human
                        I am human 30 May 2016 09: 35
                        -1
                        Deaf, nobody reads you already ..
                  2. alexej123
                    alexej123 29 May 2016 11: 51
                    0
                    I will answer you as a lawyer - the norms of morality in most cases are NOT WOUND BY THE REGULATIONS OF LAW. It is necessary to strive for balance, but this will NOT happen. When it happens, it means this is the PERFECT SOCIETY. In my opinion, you have no arguments and you are engaged in verbiage. The fact that 2/3 of the countries are on parcels from mattress mats, including yours - think about this. This means that they do not have real and MORAL independence. In the family - "PANCELONGES". You all boast about your country, the question is, without handouts, the United States will be able to ensure your security? NO.
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          7. Altona
            Altona 28 May 2016 22: 16
            +9
            Quote: seren
            My country was created by the soldiers of Ezel, Haganah, Palmach and Lehi, who were almost unarmed able to drive the British invaders and then repelled the Arab aggression.

            ---------------------------
            Wow ... Where did the Messerschmitt-109 fighters with Czech engines come from, M-98K rifles, German helmets and other weapons that were quite modern at that time ... And I certainly don't know where that came from.)))
          8. MrK
            MrK 28 May 2016 22: 20
            +10
            Quote: seren
            My country was created by the soldiers of Ezel, Haganah, Palmach and Lehi


            If it weren’t for Stalin, then your fighters Etsel, Haganah, Palmach and Lehi would sit under the jo ... sing with the English.

            Quote: seren
            But the poisonous seeds of anti-Semitism yielded a bountiful harvest,


            Stalin's entire "anti-Semitism" was that when Jewish organizations in the USSR began to acquire their own political subjectivity, they began to be pressed.
            There is nothing to force other people to consider your ethnic group as the leading and guiding force in Russia.
            And then your mothers, your Jewish mothers, will tell you the quiet “Mazul Tof!”
          9. Weyland
            Weyland 29 May 2016 00: 57
            +5
            Quote: seren
            My country was created by the soldiers of Ezel, Haganah, Palmach and Lehi, who were almost unarmed able to drive the British invaders and then repelled the Arab aggression


            Just add: under the leadership of military generals, who passed shortly before WWII in the ranks of the Red Army! This is exactly the case that Hannibal spoke about ("an army of lions led by a ram is weaker than an army of rams led by a lion!")
            1. asiat_61
              asiat_61 29 May 2016 05: 24
              +1
              They don’t want to remember this. Two days ago I wrote about it, they didn’t like it.
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        2. tolian
          tolian 29 May 2016 17: 42
          +1
          Saran forgot Mao, Pol Pot. And 20 million indigenous people of America themselves died out, Mr. educated Seren? Or just decided to check in here?
      12. Bakht
        Bakht 28 May 2016 23: 48
        0
        There was no need to open the border. It is you who have mixed up history and chronology. All that was needed was Czechoslovakia's request for help. And the consent of France. Well, France was sorted out quickly and her agreement was no longer so important. But Benesh did not send a request to Moscow. And without this request, they would now cry out for a communist attack on poor Europe.

        History must be taught.

        And finally, who shares the first place. Chamberlain and Daladier rightfully occupy the first place. Second Poles. All together. And Stalin is not in the business at all.

        By the way comrade. Molotov had a peculiar sense of humor. Those who know history can tell exactly who uttered the words about the "ugly brainchild of Versailles." This is really funny.
      13. Weyland
        Weyland 29 May 2016 00: 52
        0
        Quote: seren
        everyone in this story is disgusting: Chamberlain, Daladier, Pilsudsky ... But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.


        The Jewish approach ... The Christians think a little differently: Chamberlain, Daladier and Pilsudski are much weaker, and in hell the place is worse prepared than for Hitler: for there is no worse sin than betrayal!


        Quote: seren
        I can understand the fears of the Poles to open their border for the passage of Soviet troops to help Czechoslovakia. This would end in a "sudden" communist revolution in Warsaw.


        Here are some of the peoples of Palestine also thought about the Jews, who only asked for the possibility of passage along the trans-state highway ("let's go the king's way"). How it ended - read in the book "Exodus"!
  2. demiurg
    demiurg 28 May 2016 05: 59
    +35
    What was needed was someone who would crush the Soviet Union, and the Great War was needed to revise the borders. Germany 35 years of release did not fit this. Therefore, it was urgently given to Austria, a piece of industrial Czechoslovakia, and in detail. Well, they poured a little money.
    Nobody asked about the interests of the Poles and the Balts; they had not grown up even before that.
    1. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 28 May 2016 07: 36
      +16
      Quote: demiurg
      Nobody asked about the interests of the Poles and the Balts; they had not grown up even before that.

      So far the same.
    2. Erg
      Erg 28 May 2016 07: 48
      0
      If the West needed to "crush the Soviet Union," would it help Stalin? wink "Redefining the boundaries" is not the reason. Look for the answer in dollars.
      1. ASK505
        ASK505 28 May 2016 09: 20
        +5
        We see at the root. 2 MB is a showdown between the Rothschilds and Rockefellers for the redistribution of world sales markets. Since 1943, the dollar has become the No. 1 currency. In two world wars, these "masters" of the world used the Germans twice as a tool for their own purposes.
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 28 May 2016 14: 10
          0
          Something rustic and not far off. Well, who was on the side of the Stalinists after the pogrom of the Trotskyist column in the USSR? Rothschilds or Rockefellers? - nonsense in vegetable oil. All these "showdowns" are small-town squabbles, nothing more. For the right to cut, milk and slaughter the rest of the "uninitiated". It can also be assumed that some were betting on Hitler's Europe, while others were intimidated and kept their bets on the American-British "base." Someone has assets where, and who wanted to pick up assets where. In this regard, competition between the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers is permissible, but no more. But "showdown" as the reason for organizing wars is too much. Both those and others wanted to make money on a global scale, and showdowns are squabbles of "fellow travelers" on the way to enrichment. But not a REASON.
          1. Erg
            Erg 28 May 2016 23: 54
            0
            andrew42 Do you at least understand yourself? request You are so funny. As from the moon. "Competition between Rothschilds and Rockefellers" ... Interesting lol
            1. andrew42
              andrew42 30 May 2016 09: 22
              0
              There was such a film, "Bumbarash" was called. And there was a Red Army soldier Sovkov: "Ka-pi-tal. Kar-la. Mark-sA '." But even that poorly educated comrade (which is his misfortune, but not his fault, of course) said: "I skip the pictures and tables. I am delving into the proletarian essence." :)) The post was about the fact that such competition is DO-PUS-TI-MA, but insignificant and of little interest to Russia. It is said to the Russians in white, - "small-town competition", that is, a weak side factor: divide the "gold" 3 to 2, or 2 to 3. That is, the competition between the fox Alice and the cat Basileo. So clear, I hope? If it is not clear, it can be called "intra-team competition" for the status and badge of the "Winner of the liquidocratic competition". The fact that in relation to Russia, these clans act as a united front. understandable and a hedgehog. So, I quite understand what I wanted to say. Which is what I wish for you.
      2. Kite
        Kite 28 May 2016 09: 49
        0
        If you didn’t destroy it on your own, the smasher should not have time to rejoice. Although they acted in the future, we celebrate Victory.
      3. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 28 May 2016 14: 42
        +3
        Quote: Erg
        If the West needed to "crush the Soviet Union," would it help Stalin?

        Zapaden simply went nuts when they saw what kind of monster they raised in the person of Hitler, well, respectively, pitted him with their worst class enemy, the Soviet Union, thereby killing two birds with one stone - the extermination of two of the most combat-ready peoples in the world. And the help of the Anglo-Saxons is pure business and pouring gasoline into the fire of war.
        It is also necessary for Jewish opponents that if Hitler won, the Jewish nation would cease to exist, in any case, in Eurasia, that's for sure.
        Here is an interesting vidyuha, maybe someone will come in handy.
        1. Erg
          Erg 29 May 2016 00: 07
          +2
          Fantomas. Let Hitler never have won. Demons controlled the balance of power. We were helped, and Hitler ... Was (ultimately) the winner? Germany remained ... the USSR too. Google the finances of the barmaley "before" and "after" - maybe it will come? Who is broke? And to whom does everyone owe? .. There is only one instrument to achieve power. Money! Turn off kindergarten hi
        2. Erg
          Erg 29 May 2016 00: 25
          +1
          I watched your video. Pretty subtle fooling around. I will not chew anything for you, I will only say that without understanding who and how rules the world, such "materials" will be perceived as worthy of attention.
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      5. Weyland
        Weyland 29 May 2016 01: 03
        +2
        Quote: Erg
        If the West needed to "crush the Soviet Union," would it help Stalin?


        Truman (not yet president) answered this back in 1941:
        "If the Germans win, we must help the Russians. If the Russians win, we must help the Germans - and let the Russians and Germans kill each other as long as possible!"

        Churchill also spoke out:
        "The ideal result of the war is when the last German will finish off the last Russian and he will stretch out dead."
    3. gladcu2
      gladcu2 28 May 2016 18: 19
      -6
      Demiurg

      I would put the question differently.

      Hitler did not arise out of necessity to crush precisely the Soviet Union. Reducing the USSR is most likely a secondary goal.

      Hitler for a long time did not know where to move his troops. The decision came under the control of secondary factors.

      Something to Hitler gave the idea that the peoples of the USSR would not support the government. And this was finally the point of choice.

      Again, the "Immortal Regiment" should be recalled. This is the moment of unity of the people. It is safe to say that this action stopped or postponed the beginning of the third world war.
      1. atalef
        atalef 28 May 2016 18: 21
        +3
        Quote: gladcu2
        Hitler for a long time did not know where to move his troops. The decision came under the control of secondary factors.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 28 May 2016 18: 49
          0
          atalef

          Does something surprise you? Or do you use the techniques from the well-known selection of rules about which I constantly recall.

          If you criticize, justify. Do not jerk.
          1. atalef
            atalef 28 May 2016 19: 09
            -2
            Quote: gladcu2
            atalef

            Does something surprise you? Or do you use the techniques from the well-known selection of rules about which I constantly recall.

            If you criticize, justify. Do not jerk.

            If you say, all the more such things, give at least a link to the document.
            maybe, I still think that before moving the troops (you kind of said whose he didn’t know where), Germany went through a rather long period of building the aircraft, lost after the Versailles peace. And to build an air force without a doctrine and operational plans - well, this does not happen.
            1. Weyland
              Weyland 29 May 2016 01: 07
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              And to build an air force without a doctrine and operational plans - well, this does not happen.


              This is true - but in any decent general staff always have operational war plans with any from neighbors - otherwise the price to such a general staff is worthless!
  3. s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 28 May 2016 06: 00
    +22
    Buy you a mirror, gentlemen "democrats".
    And this is their reflection today. Where the "Fuhrer" is, there they are. And as one presenter said, coincidence? I don’t think so.
    1. Dam
      Dam 28 May 2016 08: 51
      +12
      They do not need to buy a mirror, but a prison robe. FSB, don't you remember? Article treason to the Motherland has not disappeared from the Criminal Code!
      1. s.melioxin
        s.melioxin 28 May 2016 14: 30
        +7
        Quote: Damm
        They do not need to buy a mirror, but a prison robe. FSB, don't you remember? Article treason to the Motherland has not disappeared from the Criminal Code!
        Dear I remember perfectly. And the article meant shooting. Live in Russia, and receive money from abroad. Vilely, not humanly. Although they probably did not have morality. So it will not be.
  4. corporal
    corporal 28 May 2016 06: 09
    +10
    Such an article two years ago requested publication. However, the author is still well done, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. good
    1. sgazeev
      sgazeev 28 May 2016 06: 32
      +23
      Quote: Corporal
      Such an article two years ago requested publication. However, the author is still well done, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. good
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 28 May 2016 06: 38
      +2
      And the mirror is extremely contraindicated, they will constantly be scared ..
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  5. Sasha75
    Sasha75 28 May 2016 06: 13
    +29
    Czechoslovakia alone gave Germany 1 million Mauser rifles at once 200 thousand machine guns from 50 to 100 thousand automatic rifles, the number of rounds is comparable, and everything in Germany’s native caliber is 7.92 mm. I repeat right away THIS LAY IN WAREHOUSES how much they released, being part of Germany, it is not known exactly, but at times we will no longer forget about ammunition, that is, the flasks of the pouch scapula all went unchanged to the German army. Czechoslovakia at that time was a major arms dealer. China, Turkey, Persia, it’s only offhand that I remember that production capacities were sometimes better than German. The human resource will also not forget sabotage, and there was no sabotage at Czechoslovak enterprises. Many officers without prejudice to the ranks went to serve in the Wehrmacht and served there until the very end. Technique, and how without it only large Skoda guns are worth what other artillery is. Another example from the book of a German tankman, I fought on a tiger, Czechoslovak tanks are more reliable. The power plant is less prone to breakdowns. Having received tanks in Czechoslovakia, we were given two weeks to drive them off under our own power to our unit, the calculation was based on our standards, we got in a week there were few breakdowns and maintenance was easier. These tanks really helped us out in Russia only thanks to them, he writes, we reached Moscow. This is his opinion, but who will say how events would have developed if Germany had not had these gifts from the West?
  6. volodya
    volodya 28 May 2016 06: 29
    +6
    As always, the story repeats itself!
  7. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 28 May 2016 06: 32
    +8
    Good article, a reminder. And as it is customary in the (West), this is not to be remembered.
  8. Aleksander
    Aleksander 28 May 2016 06: 38
    +23
    An eloquent picture of the hot love of the pillars of Europe with the Nazis
  9. Donlomakin
    Donlomakin 28 May 2016 06: 42
    +41
    Blaming the Soviet Union, Europeans forget in a strange way how they themselves concluded treaties with Hitler
    1. andrew42
      andrew42 28 May 2016 14: 22
      +3
      With this in mind, I very much even admit that Stalin since 1940 deliberately provoked Hitler to strike no later than 1941. Why? - Yes, because the separate peace of Germany and Britain in 1942 looked more than logical, and in 1942 the USSR would have received 2 (!) "Reichs" on its borders, plus both would be supplied from overseas. Hence all the confusion as to why Stalin actually contributed to our "unpreparedness for war." Yes, he did, and obviously. The problem turned out to be that "unreadiness" to a large extent turned out to be real Unreadiness, primarily due to the lag in military strategy. Stalin was not ready for this. To Minsk, and even to Kiev / Smolensk, I was ready for the fire of war, but no more. But there were also Anglo-French developments on the invasion of the USSR, even without Germany.
  10. AKsvlad047
    AKsvlad047 28 May 2016 06: 42
    +14
    I liked this article and I believe that the author is one hundred percent right !!!! The West has never been able to teach Russia anything and cannot !!!! Democracy, decency, kindness, honesty, tolerance towards other nations, not when they were not inherent and will not !!! From the west, it was always free of charge to us and only dirt goes, and we just bought the knowledge of what we needed !!! Therefore, I believe that they have no right whatsoever to teach us how to live, and those who equal them pursue only their own selfish interests and do not even think about Russia's well-being !!! We have our own path of development and if we look to the west we will doom ourselves and our children to impoverished and humiliated existence for the whole time !!!!
    1. made13
      made13 28 May 2016 10: 46
      +5
      Never did the "West" try to teach anything. Fuck - YES! Teach - NO!
    2. Seren
      Seren 28 May 2016 13: 22
      -9
      It would be necessary then to abandon the Internet, the West came up with this, in order to destroy spiritual bonds
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 May 2016 06: 51
    +8
    The Poles really ought to stick their languages ​​in one place, both for the Tishin region and for the "Danzig Corridor", which the Poles blocked, provoking Hitler, for some reason deciding that France and England would "fit in" for her. History teaches only that nobody does not teach anything. Do the Poles again think that NATO will fit in for them? And the Hans with Pierre and Johns will rush with their bodies to protect the Janeks from the terrible Russians, whom they, the Poles, will in every possible way "rush"? What if they don't rush? And so, they will threaten with a finger. Your shirt is closer to your body.
  12. staryivoin
    staryivoin 28 May 2016 06: 54
    +1
    Buy you a mirror, gentlemen "democrats"?

    Why do they need a mirror? In order to evaluate "yourself good"? So in this regard, their uncle with green pieces of paper or an aunt with cookies from across the ocean appreciates them. And the mirror "crooked" in their head has been sitting for a long time. And we already know what a distorting mirror does !!!
  13. Basil50
    Basil50 28 May 2016 07: 01
    +6
    Well, Poles as well as * Democrats * cannot be redone. Knowing all this and much more will still be nonsense about * equal responsibility * and more. Nothing but a deadly threat to break through to the mind. It is amazing to watch on TV modern Poles commenting on the politics of Poland between the two wars, honestly there is happening something that has to do with schizophrenia. Instant aggression, glazed eyes and scream. I do not believe that Poland does not remember and do not understand the role of the Polish government in unleashing WWII. It is amazing how easy and laid-back, modern Poles allow * pre-war * Poles genocide, war, concentration camps and military provocations.
  14. Koshak
    Koshak 28 May 2016 07: 05
    +10
    That's right. So we in the USSR also taught history. and our parents remembered these events as contemporaries.
    And I, as a contemporary, remind my son and daughter-in-law of the "Cuban missile crisis", "Prague Spring", the US war in Indochina (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia). More often it is necessary to remind about real history, and not about what the "democrats" and "liberals" see in their parallel world.
  15. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 28 May 2016 07: 08
    +33
    Late to drink Borjomi and write such articles. All this has long been known! Better back in the late 80s. Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR, before the collapse. There is a discussion of the Molotov-Ribbentrop PACT. The deputies brand him in a single impulse. With the progressive Western democracy, they repent and condemn this anti-Polish treaty. The pact is overthrown. Hooray. But there is no original PACT !!! There are copies. But, in my opinion, lawyer Sobchak from the rostrum declares that this is not a problem, there is a real text, but he was destroyed by the enemies of democracy. He is supported by an excited room.
    Interesting. If a person has a copy not certified by a notary and comes to the Savings Bank for example and wants to get 100 rubles, what will happen? He will be sent ...
    And here people, deputies, before whom they shook some kind of piece of paper that a schoolboy can concoct, decided the fate of their country !!!!
    Further Katyn. Burial of Polish officers. I will not write about their position regarding our country. They were interned and they were in the camp. But their elimination, this is a question. Who committed it? Germans or ours. Very much incomprehensible. This case requires a thorough investigation. But they took it upon themselves, sprinkled their heads once again with ashes.
    The Poles in the 20s destroyed 100000 Red Army soldiers (unsuccessful campaign against Poland) and were silent. Ours created a memorial cemetery in Katyn. What about the Poles? The remains of the buildings were destroyed, the land was plowed. And they did not apologize and did not repent.
    Obama visited Hiroshima. NO REPENTANCE! Burned the city with atomic bombs, burned children, women. And not any Mercy. The British destroyed Dresden during WWII, where the Germans had virtually no troops and military infrastructure. The mass of corpses of civilians. And where is the mercy?
    Compatriots! Well, you can’t be like that. We live in a competitive world. Tough, unfair. And those pistol shots into our past, responded with volleys of guns at us now!
    1. sherp2015
      sherp2015 28 May 2016 07: 34
      +7
      Quote: SCHWERIN
      Congress of People's Deputies of the USSR, before the collapse. There is a discussion of the Molotov-Ribbentrop PACT. The deputies blame him in a single rush. With the progressive Western democracy, repent and condemn this anti-Polish treaty. The pact is overthrown. Hooray. But there is no original PACT !!! There are copies. But, in my opinion, lawyer Sobchak from the rostrum declares that this is not a problem, there is a real text, but he was destroyed by the enemies of democracy. He is supported by an excited room.
      Interesting. If a person has a copy not certified by a notary and comes to the Savings Bank for example and wants to get 100 rubles, what will happen? He will be sent ...
      And here people, deputies, before whom they shook some kind of piece of paper that a schoolboy can concoct, decided the fate of their country !!!!

      in the wake of der ... democracy during the reign of the humpbacked, every rabble (such as the Sopchaks) got into the deputies and began systematic work to defame our history, people, army, merit, and subsequently the collapse of the country. A significant part of them came into contact with various special services . Funded from secret sources
      So, the deputies need to pay close attention to the subject of what "surprises" they are preparing for our people, with whom they communicate, so that such as Ponomariovs, Chubs, etc. do not work out, and the country retains its integrity
    2. Basil50
      Basil50 28 May 2016 09: 45
      +5
      There are no secrets in Katyn. The execution of Poles and SOVIET CITIZENS in the Katyn Forest was condemned by the Nuremberg Tribunal. All point.
      All Polish nonsense is nothing more than fulfilling the order of Goebels. Many questions about the Polish government * in exile * and relations with the Nazis, as well as why the British destroyed Sikorsky.
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  16. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 28 May 2016 07: 16
    +4
    Something is not new under the moon - and now alliances are being created with the aim of "establishing democracy" in this or that unwanted country. History repeats itself for the first time in the form of a tragedy, the second - in the form of a farce.
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 May 2016 07: 41
    +4
    All of Europe, and especially the Psheks, would like to be in Germany's place exactly until the moment when the Germans began to rake from the Soviet Union in full. That’s all their morality. Only two countries could be removed from this list: England and France, due to their relatively independent policies.
  18. Tanya
    Tanya 28 May 2016 08: 01
    +11
    The article is excellent. Briefly and clearly, only the facts.
    It was precisely our unfortunate democrats who began the rewriting and distortion of history in order to please the West, which picked it up and made it absurd.
    In the forefront was the corn genius with his "revelations" at the 20th Congress of the CPSU, and all further "repentances" were only a continuation of the stupidity and outright slander of this careless ruler. Through thoughtlessness or deliberately, it doesn't matter anymore.
    Now we have what we have.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 28 May 2016 17: 58
      0
      Tanya

      The article is good because it is short and capacious at the same time.

      Capitalism, in its essence, contains many false concepts. History is subject to change in order to hide these concepts and preserve the system.

      Why should capitalism be called a dead end economic system?

      Because progress under capitalism occurs only in short periods between crises. At the time of the rise, the period of the transfer of capital from the hands of the people to the hands of the capitalists, development is taking place. When all the resources are already in the same hands, and the people are poor, degradation occurs. Capitalism is trying to switch to seizing capital in neighboring countries.

      The next branch of development is socialism. The accumulated capital is being used to develop fundamental science and science-intensive projects.

      The automatic transition of capitalism to a new quality is difficult. The system is wildly tenacious at the heart of survival is a lie. The formation of incorrect representations.
      1. atalef
        atalef 28 May 2016 18: 08
        -3
        Quote: gladcu2
        Capitalism, in its essence, contains many false concepts

        Good day!
        which ones?

        Quote: gladcu2
        History is subject to change in order to hide these concepts and preserve the system.

        This is all sin, without communication with the system
        Quote: gladcu2
        Why should capitalism be called a dead end economic system?

        A dead-end branch can be called only that which dies without developing. Today, there are many degrees of development of capitalism, and therefore it cannot be called a dead end branch.
        Quote: gladcu2
        Because progress under capitalism occurs only in short periods between crises.

        These are short periods of time in a crisis, followed by long periods of time - development.
        Be honest
        Quote: gladcu2
        Capitalism is trying to switch to seizing capital in neighboring countries.

        Strange thoughts of a person living in developed post-industrial capitalism - Canada. And who is Canada capturing there?
        Quote: gladcu2
        The next branch of development is socialism. The accumulated capital is being used to develop fundamental science and science-intensive projects.

        Empty words, especially in VO. maybe the bulk will perceive what you mean by the Leninist system of socialism.
        If you want to say something concrete, voice what kind of socialism do you mean
        Quote: gladcu2
        The automatic transition of capitalism to a new quality is difficult. The system is wildly tenacious at the heart of survival is a lie. The formation of incorrect representations.

        Again, it’s a little strange to hear this from a person living in a capitalist country with social services. a package of the population that even the USSR could not have dreamed of in developed years.
        Well, okay, capitalism is developing and transforming. I want to remind you that in Switzerland, Norway, Luxembourg and Monaco - the same capitalism.
        1. alexej123
          alexej123 29 May 2016 12: 20
          0
          And look at the main modern points of the rapid growth of capitalism? When did they happen? When did stock indices rise by leaps and bounds? And everything is simple - the collapse of the USSR, obtaining a sales market for hundreds of millions of souls, eliminating competitors in many industries, enslaving Eastern Europe, virtually eliminating its industrial potential (competitors). And look now - indices add from 0,5% to 1,5% on average. With such growth, many capitalist countries began to experience difficulties, for example, the causes and conditions of the riots in France. And why? Because there are countries, including Russia, which said "Basta", now we will not play by your rules. And that's all, many are waiting for the northern animal. In essence, capitalism "makes happy" a certain circle of individuals and states, the rest simply ruins and enslaves. I remember the 90s, how everyone was waiting for the arrival of investors, technology and the recovery of the industry. So what? Yes, there were no such plans, it was to create competitors for yourself, and therefore Russia was sentenced to extinction. I gave you the arguments. And you have only one cliche - Monaco, Norway (which even now "thinks" itself). How about France?
  19. da Vinci
    da Vinci 28 May 2016 09: 09
    +2
    Why not hold international conferences, round tables, etc. on the occasion of the anniversaries of these "glorious" European events in Russia? events with a discussion of the root causes of the world catastrophe - World War II? hi I just think that the "countries of democracy" and domestic "libErals" will come up with some kind of kindergarten pretext. fellow
  20. DV69
    DV69 28 May 2016 09: 14
    +9
    Buy you a mirror, gentlemen "democrats"?

    It is useless. The lords of the "democrats" are not reflected in the mirror.
  21. 0255
    0255 28 May 2016 09: 26
    +18
    How did I get this hypocritical whine of the West and its puppets about the poor Poles, who were divided as a result of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

    And how I, a Belarusian, got tired of the whining of our "Litvin-European integrators" about "how the USSR attacked Poland" when the BSSR got back its territory.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 28 May 2016 20: 04
      +2
      Quote: 0255

      And how did I, the Belarusian, get our whine


      Well, straighten them like Kovtun, maybe consciousness will manifest.
  22. Vega
    Vega 28 May 2016 09: 46
    +2
    Western liberals and pro-Western mongrels remember and repeat only what is profitable for them now !!! What is not profitable at the moment and does not bring a hard coin is "MOSCOW LIES".
  23. knn54
    knn54 28 May 2016 10: 17
    +2
    History has not taught POLAND ANYTHING-dances to the tune of those who betrayed it in 1939 ...
  24. Idiot
    Idiot 28 May 2016 11: 32
    +2
    They don’t need a mirror, anyway they won’t see themselves there, for ghouls ...
  25. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 28 May 2016 11: 33
    +1
    .. Who knows the historical period when the Poles were friendly with Russia? (Not with the USSR). Constant arrogance, arrogance with betrayal and hypocrisy, especially Poland, And what do you think will change? We know who is who, we can’t remove the memory ... that’s why the demons are furious.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 29 May 2016 01: 20
      +1
      Quote: Konstantin Yu.
      Who knows the historical period when the Poles were friendly with Russia? (


      The end of the 17th and 1st half of the 18th century. Only because there were common enemies, and very serious: Turks and Swedes.
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  26. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 28 May 2016 11: 56
    +5
    The bad news is that we do not bashfully recall these treaties at a time when everyone in the West is spitting saliva over the notorious "Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact." Moreover, this notorious pact is often mentioned by statesmen in Europe and the United States in their speeches in the media in front of a wide audience, while our statesmen never mention such pacts of Western "democracy" countries. I don’t understand why, don’t they really understand that by allowing Western politicians to “play” only in “our gates” in matters of history, they thereby discredit our country in historical and political terms and undermine its position in the modern world arena. It is necessary constantly, without hesitation, from the world's tribunes, at every opportunity to poke these "Europeans" into their historical "crap ... oh".
  27. mostov70
    mostov70 28 May 2016 11: 58
    +1
    So then it is. But it’s high time to clarify one truth; in their politics there is no concept of truth but a definition. There is only benefit for yourself. And take an example, by the way.
  28. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 28 May 2016 12: 55
    +7
    Quote: Barkhan
    Quote: demiurg
    Nobody asked about the interests of the Poles and the Balts; they had not grown up even before that.

    So far the same.

    Well, no, the situation has changed: now the striped ones are generally not interested in the opinion of all their "allies", they immediately tell them the plan of action. And if France is still capable of murmuring, the new democracies simply run ahead of the locomotive.
  29. andrew42
    andrew42 28 May 2016 14: 24
    +2
    "Democracy is a balloon that hangs over your heads and makes you stare up while other people rummage through your pockets." - Bernard Shaw said everything a long time ago.
  30. ver_
    ver_ 28 May 2016 15: 49
    +3
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: seren
    But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.
    In general, it is funny to hear such words from a citizen of the state, which was created with the active participation of Stalin. And by the way, how many Jews did the Stalin regime gobble up? And Hitler?

    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: seren
    But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.
    In general, it is funny to hear such words from a citizen of the state, which was created with the active participation of Stalin. And by the way, how many Jews did the Stalin regime gobble up? And Hitler?

    ... between us girls, saying, I am already tired of the comments of this god of the chosen people and national minorities, who believe that the world revolves around their family fire ...
  31. Orionvit
    Orionvit 28 May 2016 16: 52
    +1
    Quote: ShadowCat
    Great Britain and France gave the Third Reich the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia. Representatives of the USSR, by the way, were denied participation in the negotiations.

    It should also be noted that Czechoslovakians were not invited either.

    And who will ask the victim when everything is already divided.
  32. Orionvit
    Orionvit 28 May 2016 16: 59
    +1
    Quote: seren
    It should be noted that in this story everyone is disgusting: Chamberlain, Daladier, Pilsudsky ... But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.

    You there ask the Palestinians who is the occupier on their land, then you will rant about Stalin. If it were not for Stalin, the Germans would have let you all go to the soap.
    1. japs
      japs 28 May 2016 19: 14
      +5
      Quote: Orionvit
      Quote: seren
      It should be noted that in this story everyone is disgusting: Chamberlain, Daladier, Pilsudsky ... But Hitler and Stalin rightly share the first place.

      You there ask the Palestinians who is the occupier on their land, then you will rant about Stalin. If it were not for Stalin, the Germans would have let you all go to the soap.


      Let the comrade from Israel read his "heroic" story, in particular, about the cooperation of their Zionists with the Nazis, starting in 1933, let him read it carefully. And then he takes up Stalin.
  33. gladcu2
    gladcu2 28 May 2016 17: 18
    +4
    Auto RU.

    It should be noted.

    Not capitalist and ideology, but the capitalist system.

    Capitalism does not use ideology, capitalism does not use changes in morality.

    But capitalism, as a system, breeds militant forms of ideology, fascism.

    Fascism is already a changing morality.

    Fascism is the merger of the state, large private Capital and the people under the ideology of national superiority or external threat. Fascism occurs at the time of the crises of capitalism, as a way to preserve capitalism.

    The changes in morality under fascism are as follows. Instead of the struggle of the proletariat with capital for their rights, the proletariat becomes under the control of capital against neighboring states.
  34. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 28 May 2016 17: 42
    +2
    A bit out of the topic of the article, but also about the "crap".
    Konstantin Semin spoke very well about what this crook really wants.
    1. alexej123
      alexej123 29 May 2016 12: 25
      +1
      Kostya is "handsome". But his "AgitProp" for rock music - I do not agree. At the Crimean Spring, who was the first to support? Rockers and bikers, and pop music quietly watched who to surrender to and for how much.
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  36. Wasiliy1985
    Wasiliy1985 28 May 2016 19: 16
    +1
    I was pleased with the final passage about Churchill. Although, certainly, what Winston Spencer-Leonardovich (according to Wasserman's classification) impresses me with is a clear pursuit of the interests of YOUR nation !! Such a statesman and at all times - God forbid every nation !!! Although he is a Russian enemy, he is in full growth! But the enemy is worthy!
  37. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 May 2016 01: 20
    0
    According to the article. Well said, in living language.
    In general, somehow we do not care about the coverage of our history.
    Yesterday I read about this article on Yap. Photo of broken armored vehicles during the Second World War.
    About Soviet armored vehicles, a broken, abandoned and captured sea of ​​photographs
    in the Russian segment. But try to find a photo of the broken enemy equipment.
    You will find, but in much smaller quantities. That is why every year posters appear, either with brave American marines or with Luftwaffe pilots. But this is essentially a part of national ideology.
    So that we have something to be proud of and our "partners" are our reminder ...
    Look at them as they are from the "Immortal Regiment".
  38. igor.borov775
    igor.borov775 29 May 2016 03: 42
    +2
    Hello !! From this review just a little is missing. The request to supplement with these Treaties. It will be much stronger than any research that a great many have divorced. Of course, this publication of these Agreements can ruin a lot of dirty insinuations against our country. By the way, these treaties were published in newspapers of that era. An entire generation has grown up with a vague idea of ​​the events of that era. Respectfully to everyone on the site.
  39. Shurale
    Shurale 29 May 2016 07: 46
    -2
    There is nothing criminal in the Molotov-Ribentropp pact, but in the secret supplement to the contract there is, you just need to read to make sure of this:
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Секретный_дополнительный_протокол_к_Договору_о_нен
    apparition_between_Germany_and_SSSR
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 29 May 2016 10: 24
      +3
      There are no secret protocols. And no one was able to provide them in the original. Those scans that you submitted have long been recognized as fake. By the way, they should be 4 copies. Walking on the Internet seems already 6 different. Too much stuff.

      https://kprf.ru/rus_soc/50380.html
      1. Shurale
        Shurale 29 May 2016 15: 15
        -3
        if so, please provide your editorial board on Wikipedia so that people are no longer deceived! but until you have provided people read Wikipedia and believe it alas ....
        Waiting for your corrections ....

        By the way, I got acquainted with the article that you provided, alas, you gave only the opinion of a person who convinces the reader by the power of his convictions, and work on the most secret agreements is going on already from the 1945 of the year and serious people who held these documents in their hands ...

        The website is editable, if you find irrefutable evidence of the fabrication of secret conspiracies, then according to your information it will be edited and the lie will disappear from its pages, but alas, no one has been able to prove the opposite ...

        And I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the Wikipedia article, it tells in detail what kind of agreement it was when they appeared, who signed them, who later revealed their existence and who later worked on their authenticity ...
        1. Bakht
          Bakht 29 May 2016 16: 42
          +2
          You correctly noted that Wikipedia is an open source that is being edited.

          It is a fact that the original secret protocol does not exist. No one ever introduced him. All that is photocopies, and their number varies.

          I can repeat again: the Secret Protocol does not exist in nature. When you find, show the link. Bad photocopies do not bother to show. This is not a document.
          -------
          The very existence of secret protocols (any) is not reprehensible. Regarding the influence of the Secret Protocol on the outbreak of war - this is complete nonsense. So this does not mean any immorality.

          At that time, everyone acted like that. It is enough to read Churchill's memoirs, as he proposed to Stalin to divide Europe. This is a common practice of the time. One does not even have to talk about any crime.
          -------
          Your principle that I should look for some evidence is simply illiterate. I do not have to prove that I am not a camel. You must prove that the scan you cited is genuine. But this is where great difficulties arise.
          1. Shurale
            Shurale 30 May 2016 20: 02
            0
            My interlocutor from Ukraine, who just poked me on Wikipedia, unfortunately does not need proof of Wikipedia, and it’s very difficult for me to convince him of something, I stared at this matter in the hope that people will provide me with something more than a conviction that they were right, but , sorry .... I would like to give him something more significant.

            doggies, but there is one thing, but until such sites are published, these issues will pop up, you need to do something, you need to be as active as our opponents, you need to move and start editing Wikipedia anyway ...
            1. Bakht
              Bakht 30 May 2016 22: 53
              +1
              Wikipedia is not a standard of truthful information. For example, I often use Wikipedia to at least outline the essence of the issue. Well, a person cannot know everything in the world. But there is such a trifle as links. After viewing Wikipedia, then you must also look at other literature. More serious.

              Our dispute began with the fact that you brought a scan of a document that has long been questioned. Then they advised me to read Wikipedia. I'm not even talking about your passage that "serious researchers held this document in their hands."

              Returning to the ill-fated Secret App. Well, there is no original in nature. There are indirect references. There are fakes that have found their way onto the Internet. It is just serious scholars who doubt the authenticity of these "documents".

              Your advice on writing a Wikipedia article is also not serious. I am educated enough to understand: any business requires professionalism. I am not able to write a competent article, if only because I did not study journalism or history professionally. And without me it’s full of graphomaniacs. But I participate in the forums and bring the information that I understood to the attention of others. To believe or not to believe, to study the matter seriously or not, depends on a particular person.

              Since my hobby, history, and in particular, the history of World War II, I shoveled enough literature. And this gives me reason to argue that there is nothing criminal in delineating the spheres of influence and never has been. Neither then nor now. Whoever considers such a distinction to be criminal is absolutely unaware of what the interests of the state are.

              Proceeding from the interests of the USSR, the Pact was concluded quite rightly and there is nothing criminal in it. The Second World Signing of the Covenant or even the Secret App was not brought closer or delayed for a single day. Was this Agreement (by the way correctly called the Moscow Treaty) not beneficial to Poland? Well, the Poles themselves are to blame. The article is correctly called - let them buy a mirror and look into it to stupor.
  40. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 29 May 2016 08: 36
    +1
    Well, so long ago it has been clear that fascism and liberalism are twin brothers, for both there is one Master - World Capital!
  41. misterwulf
    misterwulf 29 May 2016 10: 49
    +1
    And now how are they friends with the Baltic-Ukrainian fascists!
  42. Geser
    Geser 29 May 2016 17: 38
    +3
    All this hysteria of the Westerners about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact has one significant reason. In the West, they thought that Soviet Russia, no matter what, would protect Europe from the Germans, just like tsarist Russia did. Then, in 1914, the famous Brusilovsky breakthrough stopped the German advance on Paris and forced the German command to transfer troops to another front in order to stop the Russians. Only Stalin did not repeat the mistake of Nicholas II. The Russians did not come, the Germans entered Paris, defeated the British at Dunkirk, and conquered all of Europe. Stalin left the West to disentangle the mess that the West had brewed. This is precisely what haunts the liberals and other Westerners. They forgot that they themselves were playing along with Hitler and blame us for not getting into a fight with the Germans when they invaded France. So we need not justify ourselves, but rather relentlessly remind the Westerners of the facts of aiding the West to Hitler.
  43. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev 29 May 2016 20: 28
    0
    Quote: Geser
    All this hysteria of the Westerners about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact has one significant reason. In the West, they thought that Soviet Russia, no matter what, would protect Europe from the Germans, just like tsarist Russia did. Then, in 1914, the famous Brusilovsky breakthrough stopped the German advance on Paris and forced the German command to transfer troops to another front in order to stop the Russians. Only Stalin did not repeat the mistake of Nicholas II. The Russians did not come, the Germans entered Paris, defeated the British at Dunkirk, and conquered all of Europe. Stalin left the West to disentangle the mess that the West had brewed. This is precisely what haunts the liberals and other Westerners. They forgot that they themselves were playing along with Hitler and blame us for not getting into a fight with the Germans when they invaded France. So we need not justify ourselves, but rather relentlessly remind the Westerners of the facts of aiding the West to Hitler.

    And let's not guess and ask about this a direct participant in the events. For example, Comrade Molotov.
    All this hysteria of the Westerners about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact has one significant reason. In the West, they thought that Soviet Russia, in spite of everything, would protect Europe from the Germans, just like tsarist Russia did.
    - If we had not come out to meet the Germans in 1939, they would have occupied all of Poland to the borders. Therefore, we agreed with them. They should have agreed. This is their initiative - the Non-Aggression Pact. We could not defend Poland because it did not want to deal with us. Well, since Poland does not want to, and war is on the way, give us at least that part of Poland, which, we believe, certainly belongs to the Soviet Union.
    140 conversations with Molotov, p. 20.
    Only Stalin did not repeat the mistake of Nicholas II.
    Stalin did not act in the interests of foreign capital. Comrade Stalin, as a faithful Marxist-Leninist, acted in the interests of the Russian worker.
    We knew that we would have to retreat, and we needed to have as much territory as possible. (I read from Churchill: “In favor of the Soviets, it can be said that it was vital for the Soviet Union to push the initial positions of the German armies as far as possible to the West so that the Russians gain time and can gather forces from all over their vast country. If their politics and was coldly calculating, then at that moment she was highly realistic. ”- F. Ch.)
    We did everything to delay the war. And we succeeded - for a year and ten months. I would like, of course, more. Before the war, Stalin believed that only by 1943 would we be able to meet the Germans on equal terms.

    140 Conversations with Molotov, p.40
    Nikolashka, as you know, was one of the initiators of the First World War.

    Molotov still tells a lot of interesting things. Just reading this book is not recommended for amateurs comparing Putin’s bourgeois politician with Leninist Marxist Stalin. The template may tear.
  44. Booch
    Booch 30 May 2016 10: 44
    0
    Quote: Shurale
    if so, please provide your editorial board on Wikipedia so that people are no longer deceived! but until you have provided people read Wikipedia and believe it alas ....
    Waiting for your corrections ....

    By the way, I got acquainted with the article that you provided, alas, you gave only the opinion of a person who convinces the reader by the power of his convictions, and work on the most secret agreements is going on already from the 1945 of the year and serious people who held these documents in their hands ...

    The website is editable, if you find irrefutable evidence of the fabrication of secret conspiracies, then according to your information it will be edited and the lie will disappear from its pages, but alas, no one has been able to prove the opposite ...

    And I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the Wikipedia article, it tells in detail what kind of agreement it was when they appeared, who signed them, who later revealed their existence and who later worked on their authenticity ...



    SPECIALLY FOR WIKIPEDAS http://archives.ru/
  45. iliya87
    iliya87 30 May 2016 15: 01
    0
    The article is great! There would be more of them on the Military Review. History must be remembered.
  46. South Ural
    South Ural 30 May 2016 17: 23
    0
    We need to be so strong that we dictate the rules of the game ourselves, or at least have a real opportunity to send those who impose on us, which is not profitable for us
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  48. Bakht
    Bakht 30 May 2016 23: 37
    +1
    Quote: Shurale
    I stared here this matter in the hope that people will provide me with something more than a conviction that they are right, but tsvy, and it’s a pity ...

    Instead of Wikipedia, I suggest you familiarize yourself with only one confusing point.

    L. Bezymensky wrote a lot about this Pact. In his youth, his book "Special Folder Barbarossa" was my desk. Unfortunately, the famous historian went over to the liberal camp. So he was looking for the original of this very Pact and the Secret Protocol. Archivists of the Federal Republic of Germany in the 90s told him that the originals had been lost during the bombing of Berlin. But in 45, microfilms with texts fell into the hands of Americans. And it was said that the originals did not die, but were taken to Thuringia and microfilmed there. Already a discrepancy. In simple words - a lie.
    Soviet originals were found by the Yakovlev Commission (the bastard) in the archives of the Foreign Ministry. And presented to the public. They turned out to be absolutely identical to German, up to grammatical errors. And the signature of Molotov in Latin letters. By the way, not a single document has yet been found signed by Molotov in Latin letters.

    And now the funniest part. The Americans provided microfilms in duplicate (in German and Russian). Yakovlev's commission also found two copies (in German and Russian). And now we read the Moscow Treaty itself "Compiled in two originals, in German and Russian, in Moscow, August 23, 1939. "
    If you watch TV, you probably saw how the documents are signed. First, one folder, then the folders are transferred and the second originals are signed. One copy remains in Moscow, the second is taken to Berlin. Either Ribbentrop stole the second original from Molotov, or Stalin spoiled Ribbentrop and Beria stole a German copy from him. Now instead of two copies on the Internet 4 copies roam.
    I had to throw a couple more copies into the Internet space. So to say the most-most original. The trouble is that on 5-6 copies, Molotov’s signature does not stand still.

    I hope you find this interesting. Not "simple conviction", but clear inconsistencies. But from the side of the liberal camp, I have not seen such serious research. Those who talk about the Secret Protocol simply believe in it. Unproven.

    Finally. Most likely there were some agreements. This is evidenced by indirect facts. It would be strange if they were not there. But no one has been able to reliably prove this.

    I apologize for the long text, but you asked for some evidence. Everything else can be gleaned from the works of professional historians.