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If you turn on the brains

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It is generally accepted that Russia has two troubles: fools and roads. Moreover, it is a question of roads in general, and not of their quality. Indeed, until the 20th century, the length of Russia's roads created a lot of difficulties. Rumor has it that Ivan the Terrible, not being able to control his governors on the ground and pay them a salary from the treasury because of the great distances, allowed them to feed from the post, i.e. receive bribes. Trouble! Therefore, we will consider that the development of railway transport, aviation and the means of communication deprived us of the opportunity to consider the roads an independent disaster, and try to consider what causes the prevalence of bad roads.


In the program "Postscript" was shown the story about the state of roads in one subject of the Russian Federation. This plot is used only as an example, so it doesn’t matter where it happens, neither are specific figures.

The plot is normal, positive, that the roads are bad now, but the authorities are doing something to remedy the situation.

Everything is good, but some details make the BRAINS INCLUDE, but then the picture doesn’t look so rosy.

As stated in the plot and as often happens, “after the winter the snow melted and the road went down with the snow”. Of course, not completely "gone", but the quality has deteriorated sharply. If this is so, then three options are possible: a road builder’s marriage took place; the road was poorly maintained; Existing norms and rules for the construction and operation of roads do not ensure their quality and normal service life.

It is well known that every achievement, including with a minus sign, must have its own name and surname, otherwise it will be an endless process. However, the story did not say that specialists and managers who had not properly performed their duties were identified, nothing was said about who had accepted this poor work (including low-quality road maintenance works). It is not said about whether the breeders were suspended from work, what responsibility were the breeders involved in? The question was not raised about the need to revise the rules and standards of construction (maybe the soil should be tamped more carefully, and the quality of roads will improve?). Moreover, the absence of specific “heroes” and taken measures is not a flaw in this plot, but a general rule (see other plots).

These are not idle questions. If bridal makers are not suspended and not brought to justice, then poor-quality roads will continue to be recreated, no matter how much money is allocated for their repair and maintenance. Well, if the adoption of technical amendments is necessary, then the issue of quality is not at all.

Some hitch in the builder’s assertion of a five-year warranty period, which took place in the plot, although it could be a mere coincidence, is very characteristic. There is no real responsibility for the quality of construction and repair. Everyone understands that the cost of eliminating the consequences of poor-quality work is so great that it is cheaper to close the organization that performed the work, to write off all sins and to open a new one, even taking into account the cost of obtaining permission to carry out construction work.

Under these conditions, it would seem necessary to solve organizational and technical issues, and then proceed to the costly repair of roads. However, the repair is in full swing, moreover, additional funds have been allocated that should almost double the volume of repaired roads, and the Russian government will allocate a billion rubles for the additional volume of road repairs throughout the country.

Additional budget allocations, if by all the rules, require an additional tender to determine the contractor organization that will examine the roads and develop a repair project, a competition for repair work among organizations that have the appropriate capacity and resources, and design and repair work itself. And on most of the territory of Russia in September, active road works should be stopped due to weather conditions, but a report should be submitted on the funds allocated by December 25.

It is difficult to assume that it will be possible to carry out everything in full and proper quality. Moreover, either not the best organizations will attract to the works (the best of those equipped are already loaded with the works that were planned earlier), or, most likely, these will be works performed with the overload of resources. So, again, there will be no surveys of the roads, there will be no repair project, and the builders "by eye" will somehow perform the ritual of "patching holes, creating the appearance of quality repairs." The situation in which, as the customer, who, of course, understands the shortcomings of this state of affairs, and the builders, who also understand everything, creates the possibility, to put it mildly, of inefficient use of budget funds, if not their theft. The result will be: lack of quality roads, lack of funds for quality repairs and lack of blame.

It’s impossible to say that it’s like the proverb: “Force a fool to pray to God, he will break through”, it’s impossible, there’s too many fools in the government of the Russian Federation, in the leadership of the Federation, and in public organizations that allegedly control the process, and in government regulatory organizations. In addition, the availability of correct and timely reports on the use of budgetary funds, which certainly will be, excludes the possibility of explaining everything by stupidity.

Based on the principle of "switching on the brain" and certain experience, we have to assume that the trouble in this case is lack of control, i.e. lack of control by really interested persons. If, as provided for in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the people could directly ask the responsible persons for the quality of the roads and the means used, then 99% of all problems would disappear as soon as possible.

Imagine a situation: the official knows that the issue of his negligent discharge of duties and inefficient spending will be dealt with only on the basis of a statement by a simple driver, whose car has fallen into an over-standard hole on a repaired road, and the jury will deal with the same drivers, and not “ all understanding "judge. It is impossible to allow poor-quality repair!

Thus, we have to assume that the trouble of Russia, apart from fools, is the lack of real demand for the fulfillment of duties, i.e. irresponsibility.

Since the author does not claim the ultimate truth, all possible reasonable objections and / or suggestions can be sent here: [email protected]
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 31 May 2016 09: 09
    +1
    Since roads are made in Russia, this is a special case, I think the prosecutor’s office has a lot of work in this area.
    1. 31rus2
      31rus2 31 May 2016 09: 15
      +20
      You are a naive person, and if the governor’s company builds roads?
      1. Pavel Tsybai
        Pavel Tsybai 31 May 2016 09: 44
        +6
        I’ll add to you, one example is a tender on the shore of the strengthening of the river, at the draw they lower the price by 43%, the remaining money is not enough even for the skalnik. Question - having received an advance on this tender, a one-day firm owned by someone from the relatives of the governor will at least build something?
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 31 May 2016 10: 34
          +5
          Quote: Pavel Tsybay
          I’ll add to you, one example is a tender on the shore of the strengthening of the river, at the draw they lower the price by 43%

          ... You are absolutely right ... the current system at auctions "whoever is cheaper builds" leads to anecdotes when the winning price of the auction is lower than the estimated cost of materials, not to mention the works ... a perfect example was "International Sector Khrabrovo airport "in Kaliningrad there it was ... wink ...
          1. korvin1976
            korvin1976 31 May 2016 12: 15
            +4
            Where are these numbers from? 43%
            According to the rules of public procurement, if the price of the tender in the bidding process drops by 25%, the tender is canceled. A new request for quotes and calculation of estimates.
            1. Ros 56
              Ros 56 31 May 2016 14: 44
              +2
              Quote: korvin1976
              Where are these numbers from? 43%


              You are mistaken, dear, personally, or rather, my company took part in a tender where the price fell by 55% and did not cancel anything. True, as I did later, I don’t know. But the drop from 20 to 50 is very close, most often 35-40 percent. The fact is that in addition to falling prices, there is still such a factor as time.
              The last time I did a soft roof on the perinatal center in the period October-November and you can’t get anywhere. Rain with snow. Otherwise, then they will not give money. Well, the experience is huge. So that.
              1. korvin1976
                korvin1976 31 May 2016 18: 01
                +2
                Specify what kind of tender was held. Tender to the tender discord. There are tenders held by private enterprises, and anything is possible there, or a tender for the provision of public services and goods. On which site the tender was held, on which site the information on the tender was posted, give at least such information. It would be most optimal to give a link to the tender, it contains all the information.
                In order to understand the full picture of public procurement, I will give some rules:
                - money is transferred to the contractor only after the contract is fully executed
                - all bidders participating in the tender contribute: Enforcing a contract, and this amount, in principle, is not small for frequent, and as a rule with large contracts approximately 10% of the contract amount.
                Well, here are examples of anti-dumping measures: http://otc.ru/academy/articles/vebinar15052015_demping#6

                In these measures, of course, there is no clear rule that at 25% the tender is canceled, but as practice shows, this is what happens.
                Few people want to invest 15% in a contract, according to which it is not a fact that the money will be taken.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 31 May 2016 10: 28
        +5
        Quote: 31rus2
        , and if the governor’s company builds roads?

        That is a good road! You doubt it, see the governor’s speech!
        1. 31rus2
          31rus2 31 May 2016 11: 04
          +1
          Alexander, in our Belgorod region it is the governor himself who is responsible for the roads, otherwise you will not find the end, even in Russia
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 31 May 2016 11: 12
            +2
            Quote: 31rus2
            Alexander, in our Belgorod region it is the governor himself who is responsible for the roads, otherwise you will not find the end, even in Russia

            And we have what I don’t know who is responding and whether it is responding at all.
            I’m not saying that it’s impossible to drive, but the freshly laid roads, for some reason, remain good for a short while.
            1. 31rus2
              31rus2 31 May 2016 11: 41
              +1
              As a joke, the car owners called the governor "lord of the rings" for the abundance of roundabouts
            2. korvin1976
              korvin1976 31 May 2016 12: 25
              +4
              Question:
              Is the freshly laid road a road from scratch or where was the asphalt cut off and a new one put in this place?
              The main problem with roads in Russia is that:
              - rather severe climatic conditions, then frost or thaw. This winter, our temperature drops reached 20 degrees per day, so imagine the forces acting on the roads, they just vomit;
              - Another problem is that almost all roads are old roads, or rather an old pillow under the asphalt, which was made back in the distant shaggy years. Accordingly, this pillow at one time was not designed for such a quantity of vehicles, and therefore the pillow is deformed and the asphalt canvas is deformed after it;
              - Well, the third problem is of course theft, you won’t get anywhere from it

              These are the main three problems of the lack of high-quality roads, and theft recently, this is not the main reason, although in any case it is present.

              Z.Y. The road between my city and Tula is about 60 km, in 80 years, you see, God forbid, 20-30 cars maximum, right now, they really can not be counted, with all this, about 10-15% of the heavy cargo.
              1. pv1005
                pv1005 31 May 2016 21: 22
                0
                Quote: korvin1976

                The main problem with roads in Russia is that:
                - rather severe climatic conditions, then frost or thaw. This winter, our temperature drops reached 20 degrees per day, so imagine the forces acting on the roads, they just vomit;
                .

                But let me ask, why in the north of Finland does not vomit? The differences are the same and more often from -40 to +5. request
            3. Altona
              Altona 31 May 2016 12: 28
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I’m not saying that it’s impossible to drive, but the freshly laid roads, for some reason, remain good for a short while.

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              5 years should cover the coating. Then recover. In Europe, roads are also repaired regularly. It’s just that the network of roads is bigger than ours. Now they have come up with a coating in general from plastic plates of this kind, which are obtained from waste plastic waste. The resistance of the plate is 15 years. Inside it is hollow. And so that the road does not flush, there must be a drainage system along the edges of the road. The notorious ditch ditches, which are overgrown or clogged with garbage and through drainage across the roadbed in the form of pipes with heads, which are also saved, as I think. Because in my city there is a federal highway outside my window and intercity roads (which are not available in some places due to fatalities), and I compare the quality here and there. It is clear that the federal government requires more earthwork and the load on the canvas there is several times higher due to heavy trucks and wagons. But nonetheless. For the last election, even in front of the house and the school, the canvas was updated, because there really was a passion.
      3. Spartanez300
        Spartanez300 31 May 2016 10: 29
        +3
        I actually said something about the all-Russian problem, implying how much money is being stolen during the repair work and what the prosecutor's office should do, but you have to chew everything up.
        1. Altona
          Altona 31 May 2016 14: 00
          0
          Quote: Spartanez300
          I actually said something about the all-Russian problem, implying how much money is being stolen during repair work

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          Construction as a means of theft is used in all countries, just somewhere more, somewhere less. By the way, ONF activists at the forum told Putin about this problem with numbers. Comparing the cost of building a km of road in different regions with similar climatic conditions and the manufacturing price sometimes differed many times with worse quality.
        2. mole
          mole 31 May 2016 16: 04
          +2
          Quote: Spartanez300
          the prosecutor's office should do this

          That is the problem, the prosecutor's office is "hitting the tails" and not working in advance. The prosecutor's office works if there is already a fact, but not real, but declared by someone. If the position of the Head of the region (local self-government bodies) is tough, theft in any area will decrease. Since the order of the Head will definitely be considered in the first place and you will have to report on the results.
          In general, I will give a case from life. I met with the Head of the rural settlement. I took an interest in affairs.
          -Good and bad.
          -Why bad?
          -A few streets in the village will be asphalted.
          I was surprised ... belay
          -So it's good !?
          -And then the water supply will be carried out.
          -And do the opposite?
          -No. Because money from the budget should be spent at the beginning on the road, and then on the water supply, as they become available.
          -And what is the head of the district?
          -Said something like that, or wait for more.
          So he made bookmarks under the road in the form of pipes of a larger diameter, so that later it would be possible to stick the water supply in and not to spoil the asphalt surface.
          Not a joke, but a case from life. Well done man, then he made sure that the heavy trucks would not go around the village, hung signs prohibiting the passage of freight vehicles.
      4. techie
        techie 31 May 2016 10: 50
        +3
        Quote: 31rus2
        and if the governor’s company builds roads

        The naive question is: does the governor as a government official have the right to establish a private business ?? laughing
        In general, personal responsibility should also concern the governor, only who will punish him .. The real personal responsibility was under Stalin, and during this time the country reached a level that helps it to stay afloat and in the current absolute irresponsibility of allegedly responsible persons. And the one of our leaders who will revive the institution of REAL administrative and criminal responsibility for mismanagement (I hope that they will still have GDP) will become a real savior of the Fatherland.
        1. Altona
          Altona 31 May 2016 12: 30
          +4
          Quote: techie
          The naive question is: does the governor as a government official have the right to establish a private business ??

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          Close and relatives can. And so they usually do. Moreover, someone else's business can be squeezed out, forced to rewrite the constituent documents or something like that.
        2. korvin1976
          korvin1976 31 May 2016 12: 43
          +3
          I do not want to say for all the officials, but we have the mayor of the city, a fairly wealthy person has a large construction company and a paving slab factory, namely a factory, not a workshop or a garage.
          In the city, asphalt pavements began to be replaced with paving slabs (there was asphalt, or rather it could not be said)
          Accordingly, the mayor’s factory won the tender. On the one hand, corruption and other delights, on the other hand:
          - the plant offered a price lower than its competitors, due to the optimization of production, a larger producer will offer a lower price than a small one;
          - since the plant is the mayor, there is a fairly high probability of guarantees for these types of work, in comparison with small handicraft enterprises or large, but "leftist".

          And he already ALREADY had a construction company and a factory when he became mayor

          So in many of these issues, as they say, a double-edged sword, on the one hand it seems to be "corruption" on the other hand it is real help and cost reduction in the city budget.
          I can’t say how in other places with such things, but with us everything is pretty strict and transparent, this was also when the governor was Gruzdev (billionaire), and now it is becoming even tougher with the provisional governor Dyumin
          1. Altona
            Altona 31 May 2016 12: 53
            0
            Quote: korvin1976
            And he already ALREADY had a construction company and a factory when he became mayor

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            Up to this point, all is well. And then he should probably temporarily delegate the management of his property.
            1. korvin1976
              korvin1976 31 May 2016 13: 12
              +2
              And the point is to delegate to someone? What will change from this? Everything will remain the same, there is an owner, and there is a director. It often happens that this is one and the same person, but just as often when the owner is one, and the director is different. To whom to delegate in this case? Sell ​​a business?
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 31 May 2016 16: 12
                0
                Quote: korvin1976
                Sell ​​a business?


                Namely, or he should be in prison.
                1. korvin1976
                  korvin1976 31 May 2016 17: 43
                  +1
                  Amazing words, either sell the business or sit in jail. Horror.
                  Find me at least one politician or government manager who has no business.
                  If it is not, then it is on the wife of the children on someone else, this does not mean that the business is not this "manager". What is wrong with the fact that the "manager" has his own business, if it does not interfere with his work, and the "manager" does not drag his business under his work.
                  Besides, without the practice of doing business, there can be no good "manager", you can't even crack. And if any "manager" really has no business, then it is worth asking the question, where is his business? And there are two answers: either he profuked, or he is not due to the fact that he is a fig manager.

                  And in the end, we have two options:
                  1. A "manager" with a white business who plays in the open, because he can be easily verified, since everything is fairly transparent.
                  2. A "manager" with a shadow business, which is registered with: mother, wife, son, daughter, and so on; at the same time, business is already in the shadows, so it is much easier to smuggle through all sorts of left-wing schemes and other frauds.

                  Well, and your option: to jail, I think it’s not even worth considering
      5. weksha50
        weksha50 31 May 2016 11: 11
        +1
        Quote: 31rus2
        You are a naive person, and if the governor’s company builds roads?


        This is where rot comes from ...

        The prosecutor's office is the "eye of the sovereign", called upon to watch and oversee the strict and strict fulfillment of all and all of its duties ...

        And not only at the stage of operation of something already old, but - above all - over the facilities being built ...

        Although what am I talking about ... The construction of Olympic facilities, the Vostochny cosmodrome, missiles and satellites worth billions of rubles that have gone nowhere, and so on, and so on, testify to the "high-quality" work of the prosecutor's office ...
    2. Cat man null
      Cat man null 31 May 2016 09: 19
      +4
      "If you turn on your brains" Today, PM09:05
      Spartanez300 Today, PM09:09

      Quote: Spartanez300
      ..., I think...

      - You slander yourself, IMHO wink
    3. ochakow703
      ochakow703 31 May 2016 09: 28
      +8
      C'mon, they have gained a lot. I don’t remember a single example when a negligent road worker, ZhKoshnik, builder, etc. etc. he would sit down for a real time and sell all his property in repayment of his frankly criminal activity.
    4. Scoun
      Scoun 31 May 2016 10: 12
      +4
      Quote: Spartanez300
      I think the prosecutor’s office has a lot of work in this area.

      1.
      g. N MO. (sort of) 2012 November and there should have been elections, I.Ch. cities, a bunch of special equipment and laying 10 cm of asphalt in puddles and snow 10 cm deep, patching in puddles. Today, the mayor of this city has gone on promotion to the MO administration. And they kind of said that they were hastily putting something to report on the Federal Money and next year to get more money from the budget.
      2.
      Today I go and I hear a man on the phone says loudly - I then mowed and did not completely screw the screw, to see it flew out and broke everything.
      I'm scared to imagine in what company this character works? we have defense industry in our city, and what is there not! This is a terrible person who openly, deliberately "mows" and he looks over 50 years old.
      3.
      At the enterprise (part) of the rocket fell on the "part" of the body and, of course, the victim himself and the management ...... rightly where it was not recorded as an industrial injury. Neither the employee nor the enterprise need commissions and inspections.
      PS.
      Then the same people say that in the "west / east" there is a high culture of production, only there it is not considered possible to openly mow, openly violate safety precautions ... there was a clear violation, the protection was removed, and in the same way everything was hushed up without claims) this is how we live. ))) and the head of the fight against illegal traffic ... back in those 2005-ies had a fleet of foreign cars, a cottage)) in general, he was still a fighter)))
    5. bovig
      bovig 31 May 2016 12: 03
      +2
      Quote: Spartanez300
      Since roads are made in Russia, this is a special case, I think the prosecutor’s office has a lot of work in this area.

      In the first half of the phrase, you are absolutely right, but neither the prosecutor's office nor the courts will be able to resolve this issue ... Recently, Mikhail Delyagin popularly covered this topic: the fact is that our GOST (you can not even mention TU) contains standards that were adopted in the USA, it seems, in the year, that way, 1929 ... When not a single car industry in the world produced not only heavy trucks, but also two-ton jeeps were not yet available ... After all, the basis of roads is not an asphalt surface ... Therefore, even taking into account the fact that road repairs will be carried out in full compliance with the requirements, in good faith, with high quality - the result will be the SAME and no one will be able to assign responsibility for this to the builders and repairmen! We have no legal basis! Or BRAIN !? I think this is the "feeding trough of the liberal government and the United Russia" and others like them, and therefore no one is going to close it ... But given our territorial scale, this is a serious start!
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 31 May 2016 14: 37
        0
        We have the most expensive roads in the world! But also the most worthless. Paradox...
    6. Vadim237
      Vadim237 31 May 2016 22: 26
      0
      Russia has three troubles fools, roads and officials, and the last two - repair the first.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 31 May 2016 22: 43
        +2
        Quote: Vadim237
        Russia has three troubles fools, roads and officials, and the last two - repair the first.

        Uh ... That is, roads with officials repairing fools? And, I understand, officials of fools are rolling into asphalt. smile
  2. Leto
    Leto 31 May 2016 09: 12
    +15
    Based on the principle of “INCLUDE BRAINS” and certain experience, we have to assume that the trouble in this case is lack of control, i.e. lack of control by truly interested parties

    Author, in which country do you live? INTERESTED Persons are INTERESTED in bad roads, for them it is one of the topics replenishing their pocket regularly. Wake up, there will never be good roads, for it is UNFAVORABLE!
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 09: 20
      0
      Quote: Leto
      Author, in which country do you live? INTERESTED Persons are INTERESTED in bad roads, for them it is one of the topics replenishing their pocket regularly.

      I agree completely. But in fairness, it should be noted that not only specialized offices are cheating. Administrations of different levels hold trust funds for needs far from road construction.
      1. Leto
        Leto 31 May 2016 09: 54
        +3
        Quote: Pinky F.
        But in fairness, it should be noted that not only specialized offices are cheating. Administrations of different levels hold trust funds for needs far from road construction.

        Money is fed on the road by such a horde that we pay as much as three taxes, a road tax, an excise tax on gasoline, plato ... they all lack it. And these parasites are more and more and it’s not a fact that they still won’t add tax ...
  3. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 31 May 2016 09: 12
    +7
    Judging by the quality of the roads, this site will be overloaded! hi
  4. Dam
    Dam 31 May 2016 09: 13
    +8
    Every disaster has a last name, first name and patronymic. I completely agree with the author that only after the perpetrators bear responsibility they will grow wiser and cease to be fools. And another problem is that the official is not responsible for wrong actions and inaction. Therefore, tenders of the organization where one director works are winning, there is a stool and a computer. An example is St. Petersburg Flora, which built the Ring Road.
  5. 31rus2
    31rus2 31 May 2016 09: 14
    +3
    Dear, but what about the roads? If "ON THE BRAINS" as the author urges, then alas, the conclusion will be far from positive, and poke your finger with your eyes closed in any area
    1. kolyhalovs
      kolyhalovs 31 May 2016 09: 52
      +1
      Advise not to include? Or what? Everything is lost? To scoop up? Explain your position, please. Here is the position of the author is clear. It's time to plant. I agree with him. Naturally, this is only one of the problems, and we all know about it. But you need to highlight the presence of this issue. And do not wave your hand, like yes that there are roads, everything is rotten around, everything is useless. But what if?
      1. 31rus2
        31rus2 31 May 2016 10: 47
        +1
        Dear, we will start with the roads in our region that have the best roads throughout Russia, Moscow is resting, it’s been a long and difficult thing to do, I can’t say that everything is good, but 80%, maybe more roads in our region are good, the federal helped the program, well, the officials themselves began to answer personally for each kilometer, and not only the roads, but also the arrangement of the territory near the road, I invite you to see for yourself (and this is not for show) And now the question is why the experience of the Belgorod region is not to be shared? Yes because, as we have already noticed, it is not profitable to those in whose hands these firms are. The chain is next who to share with whom and where to explain for a long time, but you know it
        1. 31rus2
          31rus2 31 May 2016 11: 27
          0
          Moreover, an important point is the guarantee for the road surface, depending on the class of the road, from 3 to 5 years, all the jambs for eliminating the defects lie on the person responsible for this section
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 31 May 2016 10: 43
      0
      Quote: 31rus2
      Dear, but what about the roads? If "ON THE BRAINS" as the author urges, then alas, the conclusion will be far from positive, and poke your finger with your eyes closed in any area

      Dear, you don’t understand, this is a strategic defense concept. You don’t remember the history of wars. Napoleon’s carts were stuck in Russian mud, so he was defeated by Russia. World War I did not reach our impassability, and therefore ended in civil war. WWII. Tanks Guderian in 1941 got stuck in Russian mud and froze to our impassability when the frost hit. And then it will be, because the foreign VTT is not adapted to our impassability. We are more profitable to make all-terrain vehicles than good roads, cheaper to do. Well, now go ahead and minus.
  6. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 31 May 2016 09: 14
    +3
    "... there are two troubles in Russia: fools and roads ..."
    And, like, I drive along the roads of Russia ... so I will! On the "sixth" top ten ... Should I move to another country: with better roads or, with smarter people ?! To Latvia, or something ... belay
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 09: 26
      0
      Quote: ALABAY45
      And, like, I drive along the roads of Russia ... so I will! On the "sixth" top ten ... Should I move to another country: with better roads or, with smarter people ?!

      it is not about loyalty to the bad, but about "our" roads and not about love for native birches. And not that a broken-down suspension is an excuse to move to another country (where, I suspect, no one is especially waiting for you). I don’t really understand who the author’s call to turn on the brains is addressed to. If the authorities, then, I wonder how do we tolerate power with our brains turned off?
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 31 May 2016 09: 44
        0
        "... how do we tolerate power with our brains off? .."
        Doesn't feel like barricades ?! Now I will pump up the wheels (we have +5), hook the trailer, immerse the chainsaw and start cutting old and dry "Russian birches" into the Russian bathhouse, along the "tired Russian roads", in the evening, as expected: with children, grandchildren, birch brooms , tea, Bashkir honey, homemade "pastries", "nutcracker" (for adults), melting muksunchik (albeit last year's) and freshly smoked perch (with onions, parsley and dill) ... Turned on the brain ... Let's go !! !
        1. V.ic
          V.ic 31 May 2016 10: 18
          +1
          Quote: ALABAY45
          Bashkir honey

          This is not a sign of "firm". I think the best flower is Mrakovsky, and the sweet clover from near Fedorovka (Dedovo), and the linden Sterlibashevsky (Tyaterbashevo) is not bad either.
  7. Kosta153
    Kosta153 31 May 2016 09: 21
    +5
    I accidentally got to a banquet in Bashavtodor, well, we got drunk sometime, went to smoke. I ask a question for now. The answer didn’t even strike you forever! It’s easier to repair every year in Ufa than to put new ones in the area.
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 31 May 2016 09: 41
      +4
      So this is obvious. This is a business.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 31 May 2016 12: 10
        +1
        Quote: Pereira
        So this is obvious. This is a business.

        This is a business on the ground! wink
    2. Koshak
      Koshak 31 May 2016 13: 32
      0
      "It's easier to repair every year in Ufa than to put new ones somewhere in the region. That's it."

      When tram tracks were removed on the avenue, at the same time, asphalt was laid 3 times. And what?
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 31 May 2016 19: 47
        0
        Quote: Koshak
        When tram tracks were removed on the avenue, at the same time, asphalt was laid 3 times.

        Still young ... In the "Tramway" area (the end of the avenue), a house of culture with a young "grandfather Lenin" on the facade, the taxi driver who took me to the airport said (November 1981) that 8 (! Eight!) layers of asphalt.
  8. Stauffenberg
    Stauffenberg 31 May 2016 09: 22
    +2
    Maybe when castration is introduced by skating rink for bad roads, something will change ..
  9. uhu189
    uhu189 31 May 2016 09: 27
    +8
    I think the author simplifies. Responsibility should be of course, but the entire volume of the mess that is happening can no longer be attributed to the excesses of a single official. There is an inefficiency of the whole system of both distribution and control over the expenditure of funds. As an example, by the nature of my work, I often encounter state orders (on utility networks), and when I look at tenders, I often have a question - who calculates the preliminary total costs of work that fall into the contract limit? In 90% of cases, it’s impossible to do anything qualitatively for it, in principle, it is either work to zero, or generally to minus. I don’t even want to talk about the compliance of the volumes of work with the deadlines. Very many things that are quite resource-intensive are not taken into account at all, but they must be done. This is where the attempt to at least somehow extend the economy begins - the cheapening of materials, the simplification of work wherever possible and so on, etc. ... Then the tender, where the cheapest offer most often wins, means people saved the most in it (and this is absolutely not means that their work efficiency is the highest). Then, after the work, acceptance begins, which is delayed, then you need to use the funds by the end of the year, because if you don’t master them, they will tear your head off, and this is where all of the above from the article. As a result, we have a vicious chain from which we simply cannot get out, even if we introduce personal responsibility. You will hang up on companies - there simply will not be anyone who wants to work for such state bodies, or they will work with a corruption component. Here the issue needs to be addressed much more comprehensively.
    1. tth
      tth 31 May 2016 10: 01
      +1
      I wanted to write about the same thing, corruption certainly didn’t go anywhere, but in order to win a tender often you need to be either a relative of the mayor or an endless altruist. And besides, there is still a wonderful import substitution, when the customer stupidly takes the characteristics of imported equipment (or materials) and prescribes them in those. tasks often do not have domestic counterparts.
  10. iwakura
    iwakura 31 May 2016 09: 30
    +4
    That's right: until there is personal responsibility (and this applies only to roads), nothing will happen. but here as to achieve this?
    23.05.2016 15:57
    In Leninsk, Volgograd region, road workers lay asphalt in puddles

    http://v102.ru/society/57575.html

    or here’s an example from my personal life (not about roads, where I live in general, the undercoat is plowed, by the way, the administration of the Kirov district of Volgograd, at a distance of 1 km)
    The wife wrote a letter to the presidential administration - "extortion at school." the result - the director and the teacher took out our brains - what ungrateful bastards we are.
    on the one hand, it is gratifying - the letter clearly reached and was processed. transferred to the local education committee.
    on the other hand, in place of the effect (like the comrade in the article above) the opposite, we are extreme, and they are white and fluffy
  11. jaguar
    jaguar 31 May 2016 09: 31
    +5
    In general, an article about what everyone knows for a long time ...... well, Stalin is not enough am am am
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 09: 40
      +2
      Quote: jaguar
      In general, an article about what everyone knows for a long time ...... well, Stalin is not enough
    2. The Little Humpbacked Horse
      The Little Humpbacked Horse 31 May 2016 11: 34
      +1
      Quote: jaguar
      In general, an article about what everyone knows for a long time ...... well, Stalin is not enough


      In Somalia, hands and feet are chopped off for theft. In Russia, this can never be done! Imagine this spectacle: the entire State Duma is in wheelchairs, and there is no one to even sign a decree ...
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 18: 39
        0
        Quote: Humpbacked Horse
        In Somalia, hands and feet are chopped off for theft.

        this is where the charms of Somalia end. Or not?
  12. Zomanus
    Zomanus 31 May 2016 09: 31
    +2
    Does the country need normal roads? Judging by the condition of some roads,
    Soon, air travel will be introduced everywhere.
    Therefore, nafig roads are not needed. We take the space industry.
    The industry has become important, the debriefing has begun. Those behind bars, those in the ass.
    Do we need a military jacket? Immediately went checks in the defense industry with conclusions.
    That's when the roads will be needed, then personal responsibility will appear
    and analysis of the disappearance of asphalt along with snow.
    And the road construction services will scream out loud
    if they can’t provide the required quality of the road.
    In the meantime, from the allocated money for the construction of the road,
    it comes to the performers well if the fifth part.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 31 May 2016 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      Does the country need normal roads? Judging by the condition of some roads,
      Soon, air travel will be introduced everywhere.


      So most of the airfields were also ruined ... With them, the situation, it seems to me, is even worse than with roads ...
  13. made13
    made13 31 May 2016 09: 32
    +6
    Why only roads? We have it that way - fly-by-night firms with cuts and kickbacks do everything in a row. While this is beneficial, there will be no change.
    And the road can be done well - in the mid-90s he worked as a foreman and asphalt was laid around the customer’s house. I don’t know what the customer said to the road workers, but there are still no cracks in this section of the road, but more than 15 years have passed!
  14. avva2012
    avva2012 31 May 2016 09: 35
    +3
    Rumor has it that Ivan the Terrible, not being able to control his governors on the ground and pay them a salary from the treasury because of the great distances, allowed them to feed from the post, i.e. receive bribes.

    Quite the contrary, it was before Ivan the Terrible that they were given a position "for feeding." The king abolished this practice. Maybe because of this, they pour slop on him for so many centuries? wink
    1. sds87
      sds87 31 May 2016 13: 43
      0
      Ivan the Terrible was a collector of our state. He actively expanded borders and removed borders within the country. For this, the West pours mud on him and made him a scarecrow and a scarecrow. All the politicians who strengthened our state in the West are denigrated and exposed in black.
  15. Pacifist
    Pacifist 31 May 2016 09: 42
    +3
    Article as they say "nothing". Anyone who writes on this topic would touch upon the physical processes in the material of the roadway and their course, depending on climatic parameters. It was enough for one winter, approximately similar in parameters to the Russian winter, of the middle zone, that the vaunted roads of Germany turned into an impassable threshing floor with a surface quality similar to the Kimms of the 90s.
    The fact that they are doing hell knows what, but it happens, but not always the reason for this. Before discussing the topic of "thieves around," you need to understand what technologies are used to build roads. Often, proposals to make the way along the mind run into the problem of financing at the moment. So there are, in addition to carelessness, before a choice, either now for 100 rubles 100 km, or 1000 km for the same money. But then you have to spend 10 years at 100 rubles a year to complete the same 1000, or the same money for repairs. And no one can say for sure what is better. And to the question of the resistance of materials, the phase transition of water in the middle lane can occur up to 40 times a year. In addition to reinforced polymer, no material can withstand such loads, but 10 meters of such a road costs 10 km of the usual one. Are you ready to wait for paradise without roads in the next century? I don't think so.
    1. ando_bor
      ando_bor 31 May 2016 10: 18
      +3
      Turned on the brain, -
      Germany - 229
      Krasnodar Territory - 73
      Kirov region - 10 people per square. km
      23 times more expensive for each Kirov citizen than the Germans - that’s what they’re building for.
      In the Krasnodar Territory, where it is only 3 times more expensive, roads are often no worse than German roads.
  16. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 31 May 2016 09: 44
    0
    Irresponsibility and impunity is the Banner of all post-Soviet rule!
    For 30 years, the political and economic elite of the country, to which, among other partocrats from the CPSU, came outright criminals, thieves and bandits, has been scribbling for itself the necessary laws to curl out frizzily and not answer for anything! This is a system furnished with convenient laws, sharpened for it. under a person with a ruble! And you just can’t pick up the system like that.
  17. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 31 May 2016 09: 46
    +1
    I think the question of roads is not resolved in the near future.
    The main reason the STATE HAS MISSED CONTROL FOR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY!
    No licenses!
    SROs are only interested in new members: when the company leaves the members, the compensation fund is not returned, but for now consists of raises membership dues!
    Three years after the establishment of the enterprise can not be verified!
    The control body of 80% is lawyers and economists (there are fewer and fewer specialized specialists). State examination of projects is carried out on the basis of determining the completeness of the project, and not by technical decision.
    Orders are distributed on the basis of who gives the price less. You can save only on the quality and quantity of materials, salary and safety measures. All this quality.
    Well and so on ... and so on. Money for repeated work is no longer allocated.
    If I am not mistaken under the USSR, the roads were overhauled 1 once every 25 years. Then the work had the status of operational activities. But then there were plans and specialized organizations. Now all this has been destroyed, but the new in return has not been accepted.
    I want to believe in the best ..... But so far there are no prerequisites for this.
  18. tomket
    tomket 31 May 2016 09: 49
    +1
    In principle, the roads are no different from anything else that is done by the administration and others. The only difference is that everyone sees the results of work every day.
  19. volodya
    volodya 31 May 2016 09: 57
    +7
    Roads are inseparable from officials.
  20. Bayonet
    Bayonet 31 May 2016 10: 04
    +2
    Suggest turning on brains? It would be nice not to turn them off, then there will be less problems. good
  21. NOTaFED
    NOTaFED 31 May 2016 10: 15
    -3
    But who needs roads then? Less roads - fewer cars. Cleaner air. Whoever needs it will buy 4x4. Who does not need to - will be on the train, metro and tram, the rails have not yet fallen off yet. And then you’ve got a headway of fashion, in the family of three cars!
    1. Antropos
      Antropos 31 May 2016 13: 53
      0
      You be careful. Here, many have problems with Chew.)))))
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 15: 24
        0
        Quote: Anthropos
        You be careful. Here, many have problems with Chew.)))))

        he is not joking ... laughing
  22. Million
    Million 31 May 2016 10: 17
    +4
    All problems are due to lack of control and impunity. Putin is too soft for some responsible persons, especially from close associates and oligarchs
  23. atamankko
    atamankko 31 May 2016 10: 18
    +1
    What is beneficial to the official does not suit the people.
    .
  24. staryivoin
    staryivoin 31 May 2016 10: 18
    0
    To turn on the brains, an official must know where the "on" toggle switch is located, or even better not to really turn them off or not to turn on the "fool". Well, as in that joke
    - In Russia, two troubles are fools and roads, and it seems that both can be solved with the help of one device - the paver ...
  25. Alex66
    Alex66 31 May 2016 10: 18
    +2
    If we talk about roads, then Chekhov has not bad experience, for short 4 types of roads, 4 types of licenses you start with pedestrian paths, as a result, companies with decades of experience deal with highways. Well, hardly anyone wants to increase their responsibility, it’s more convenient for Medvedev and Livanov to work without it, Yeltsin recalled, as he took responsibility on the rails and promised to lie down.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 31 May 2016 12: 18
      -1
      Quote: Alex66
      If we talk about roads, then Chekhov has not bad experience,

      Czechs in their own way relate to work! And we have ...
      1. ando_bor
        ando_bor 31 May 2016 19: 04
        -1
        This is not the Czech Republic, this is Poland.
        http://s.pikabu.ru/post_img/2013/05/23/10/1369324210_996977816.jpg
  26. vladimirw
    vladimirw 31 May 2016 10: 24
    0
    Thus, we have to assume that the trouble of Russia, apart from fools, is the lack of real demand for the fulfillment of duties, i.e. irresponsibility.
    The Stalinist People's Commissar is attributed to Comrade Kaganovich: "every accident has a family name, middle name!" And after the war, there were trials where high-ranking people's commissars and commander-in-chiefs were tried for coal crimes, negligence and registration when receiving aircraft! This means that the experience of fighting such crimes in Russia IS!
    The will of the country's leadership is needed, but now it doesn’t exist
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 31 May 2016 11: 50
      -1
      So the experience of fighting in Russia with such crimes, IS!

      "every mistake has a last name, first name and patronymic!"

      If, following the Stalinist precepts, we would roll these "mistakes" (with the last name, first name and patronymic) into the asphalt, then the quality of the roads would increase significantly! negative hi
  27. Aleksander
    Aleksander 31 May 2016 10: 38
    0
    It is clear that they steal and do poorly.
    But the trouble is that the approach to repair is fundamentally wrong.
    The vast majority of roads need to be completely disassembled and re-run the underlying layers (up to 2 meters) with layer-by-layer tamping and geotextiles. It is very expensive.
    Replacing only the upper layers will lead to their inevitable rapid destruction.
  28. mihasik
    mihasik 31 May 2016 10: 48
    +5
    Fools are fools! I judge by personal perception of the quality of the road surface of the Rostov Region and Krasnodar Territory. The contrast is bright when you cross the border of the Rostov region when entering the Krasnodar Territory.
    Why do they know how to build roads in the Krasnodar Territory, but not in Rostov? The mentality of the "fools" is different, or is greed outrageous? A sort of contrast of opposites). Or maybe the soils are different or sand and gravel of the wrong system?))
    1. ayuric
      ayuric 31 May 2016 11: 44
      +1
      and also near the Volgograd region, there are generally no roads - one direction


      and a lot of this in our mother Russia
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 31 May 2016 18: 41
        0
        Quote: ayuric
        and a lot of this in our mother Russia

        to the pictures:
        I remember that in 1980, about the same picture was on the border of the Vitebsk region and the Latvian SSR)
  29. weksha50
    weksha50 31 May 2016 11: 06
    0
    "we have to consider that the trouble of Russia, except fools there is also the absence of real demand for the performance of duties, i.e. irresponsibility"...

    Not as scary as an official without shame and honor stealing budgetary and extrabudgetary funds ...

    The lack of real demand for the clear fulfillment of their duties is the root cause of ALL ills, and not just bad roads ...

    By the way, last year and at the beginning of this, something was passed legislatively on the prohibition of patching roads, and stopping the construction of asphalt roads with the transition to concrete highways ...

    But, as was all, it remains ... A week ago, again, a huge pit-hole-yamina, filled with rainwater, was again covered with hot asphalt ... And so - every year ...
  30. Begemot
    Begemot 31 May 2016 11: 10
    +1
    lack of real demand for fulfilling duties, i.e. irresponsibility
    in fact, this applies to all officials in Russia, including deputies. None of them were responsible for their work, from absenteeism to sabotage legislation. There was a moment when I had to answer for my decisions, though not to my own people, but to the West for the Crimea, and in this situation, even though I was on the side of the State Duma, the range of reactions to the first case of responsibility surprised me: from "let's go" from Zhirinovsky , to public tears of Mizulina.
  31. mihasik
    mihasik 31 May 2016 11: 29
    +2
    Quote: Begemot
    lack of real demand for fulfilling duties, i.e. irresponsibility in general - this applies to all officials in Russia, including deputies. None of them answered for their work, starting from truancy, ending with wrecking legislation

    What do you expect from the government? Justice and legality?)
    Putin, in my opinion, clearly hinted that no one would seriously fight for "justice and legality", having centered the boyars of Peter's times: "And with whom will the Tsar-Father stay if you execute everyone?"
    As long as the authorities do not publicly recognize the policies of the 90s and the leaders who embodied it as criminal for the country, no changes for the better will happen. The roots of all this outrage come from?
  32. Air defense SSH
    Air defense SSH 31 May 2016 11: 46
    0
    All the trouble is in the officials or, more precisely, in the absence of their personal responsibility. And most importantly, their corporate solidarity, which forces a senior official to justify the infringements of subordinates, and so on to the very top, and this can happen without direct interest in each case. And even prosecution often looks like a transfer to a different front of work, and sometimes an increase.
    Functioners who are able to steal are very much appreciated in Russia, and the main thing is to share correctly ...
  33. ishty
    ishty 31 May 2016 11: 53
    +1
    Or maybe something in the process is not it? Someone makes them.
    And the roads also do not appear on their own. Who is laying them?
    Really the first are laying the second. Probably.
    And if you figured out the roads, and it’s already clear who paved, then it’s unclear how the fools appear.
    And how to distinguish them, well, description, TTX what.
    The author is getting dark, he should explain to us in detail, no, said yes, and to the side.
    And here we are, remained unexplained.
  34. Senior manager
    Senior manager 31 May 2016 15: 12
    0
    Roads - this is the front where there is so far a loss, and even the Soviet experience suggests that where there are roads, there is Power, where there are no roads, there is no power and there is boorish theft. Example: a bypass road around V. Novgorod - ten years reconstructed 42 kilometers - paragraph.
  35. Weyland
    Weyland 1 June 2016 01: 02
    0
    I remembered: about 80 years ago, the penultimate Iranian shah rode with a motorcade along the highway - and a huge pit was discovered on it. The Shah ordered the Minister Dor. put construction in this pit - and asphalt. It is inhumane to argue. But whether humanity is needed in such cases - one can argue about this ...