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What are we going to fly through 5 in years? In the footsteps of publication

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In December last year, an article was published on the state of affairs in the design bureau of chemical automation, abbreviated KBKHA. This enterprise is one of the pillars of our space industry, as it develops and manufactures rocket engines for the Proton-K, Proton-M, Soyuz-2-1б, Angara rocket carriers. And also for a number of ICBMs that are still in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.


What are we going to fly through 5 in years? In the footsteps of publication


KBHA: will it be necessary to regret “Proton” again?

In that material, I expressed, let's say, concern for what is happening in the enterprise. He wrote about the frames that our space industry can lose.

Half a year has passed, and I again decided to inquire about the state of affairs. It is a normal desire. Today, this concern turned into confidence. And that's why.

From 1 June in KBXA planned reduction. Promised back in December. On 15-20%. The figure is huge in enterprise scale. As I said before, not "effective managers" are fired from the management, but workers from workshops and a test facility.

And not old people are fired. Fired just young. As one of those who fell under this reduction told me, the shop manager approached him and directly suggested: "Let us dismiss you by reduction. You will be young, you will find work. Well, I can’t look at myself in the morning in the mirror if these two ( I omit the names, of course, of dismissal. They have one and a half years left until they’re retired ... "

And the young leave. And leave, by the way, with pleasure. Because in March and April, people received a "bare salary", that is, 14-17 thousand rubles. About bonuses, allowances and other things everyone has forgotten. There are only charges for processing and after-hours. But with processing, of course, at the plant there is a struggle, and after-hour (tests) is exclusively for the landfill.

One of my December interviewees is already working in another company in the city. And with him we will talk very thoroughly on the subject of the plant a little later. The second mortgage (more precisely, the impossibility of its payment) brought as much to the Vostochny space center. There a hydraulic engineer with experience in the space industry costs 55 thousands.

And what do the so-called "effective managers" offer to the workers?

Offer a very interesting thing.

Dismissing to reduce people, of course, some money is released. Where will they go? Partially on salary increase. And partially - on bonuses and overtime payments.

It is clear that if three people are fired from 5, there will be less work. And you still have to do it. Accordingly, the above-mentioned overtime occurs. That is, the person will work more, and receive at best as much as in the 2014 year, which is now remembered with awe at KBXA.

Well, if the company produced irons or sausage. But we are talking about rocket engines for spacecraft. How, albeit experienced, but already at the age of cadres, working constantly above the norm, will be able to ensure proper quality?

Experience and skill is a very important detail. But not in the case when the old man 55-58 will plow as young. One and a half shifts and on weekends. And he will plow, not going anywhere. Nobody canceled the family. And retirement, by the way, too.

Such serfdom from "effective managers." Apparently, Mr. Kamyshev decided to put the matter as in his former Center Telecom. Perhaps there it had a positive effect, but telephone communications and rocket engines are still different things. It seems to me.

So I will not be very surprised after six months with another news about the crash during the take-off of the next launch vehicle. There are all prerequisites for this. And this, to put it mildly, does not please.

But let's look into the future. Five years. After all, sooner or later, but the time to leave for pensioners will come. Yes, and they can not, anyway, to work in this mode. Leave. Reach for retirement and leave.

The question arises: who's next?

Who will continue to build engines? Graduates of our Polytechnic University? Very, by the way, a respected university, even across the country. The supplier of personnel for many "closed" plants. Not funny. It is unlikely that today's figure in 15-17 thousand rubles will interest anyone. As well as the prospect of working on weekends and nights for a premium in 3-5 thousands.

I don’t know what gentlemen "effective managers" at KBXA are planning in general. Maybe guest workers hire, maybe something else. In any case, I do not have the slightest desire to listen to what they could say to me in response to these questions. For it will be only the words of people who are absolutely incompetent in the field of space industry.

And people leave. And if they decide to come back in a few years, it's hard to say. Because my interlocutors were invited to a large military enterprise with decent work and a good salary. And so it was until 2015. And they leave the incomprehensible office where they spit on everything. Including what will happen tomorrow.

Mr. Rogozin, why are you not yet in Voronezh?

By the way, I draw the attention of readers to the fact that in the USA, where every fourth engine from KBXA now goes, they are shouting, especially the military, on the subject of the fact that it is necessary to release their engines and quickly. Is it because they are so animated that they know what is going on?

It is very difficult for me to properly assess what is happening. But there is a fact that the leading manufacturer of rocket engines today, more precisely, from June 1, loses staff. Loses the future. And along with it, our space industry loses its future.

If you do not change the situation, then ... I would not want to become a prophet.

Perhaps my opinion, made up of conversations with departed employees of the KBMA, is somewhat unprofessional and biased. Therefore, I agreed with several of them about a wider interview. Let them tell everyone how they came to the factory, how and why they left.

Continuation will follow shortly.
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  1. siberalt
    siberalt 27 May 2016 07: 12
    +10
    And who trains personnel? Why not force officials from the Ministry of Education and Science to hand over the EG invented by them and dismiss everyone at once who scored below "good" points to hell.
    1. Constructor1
      Constructor1 27 May 2016 07: 32
      +16
      If you do not change the situation, then ... I would not want to become a prophet.

      If it were only there .. It is worth looking into the workshops of any plant, and behind the machines only pensioners and people of pre-retirement age. A small salary and that delayed constantly.

      1. potroshenko
        potroshenko 27 May 2016 11: 29
        +11
        Let's better laugh with Ilona Mask. (sarcasm)
      2. sibiryouk
        sibiryouk 27 May 2016 13: 48
        +2
        We have a lot of young people, including machine tools. But there are enough problems, especially in terms of leadership, and the quality of engineering and technical training is falling dramatically!
        Zheleznogorsk, JSC ISS them. Ac. Reshetneva.
    2. Dmitry Toderes
      Dmitry Toderes 27 May 2016 16: 02
      0
      NPO Energomash named after academician VP Glushko develops and manufactures RD-180 and RD-191 engines (RD-191 is used at the Angara). KBKHA is not the only company that produces engines. So why the author mentioned Angara is completely incomprehensible.
  2. ICT
    ICT 27 May 2016 07: 20
    +13
    Losing the future.

    not well, we are in the country no matter how you go, according to the picture
  3. sa-ag
    sa-ag 27 May 2016 07: 26
    -6
    Robots will be introduced
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 27 May 2016 12: 16
      +9
      Quote: Author Roman Skomorokhov
      From 1 June in KBXA planned reduction. Promised back in December. On 15-20%. The figure is huge in enterprise scale. As I said before, not "effective managers" are fired from the management, but workers from workshops and a test facility.


      Quote: sa-ag
      Robots will be introduced


      I remember ... I visited the KBHA by type of activity at one time. Even this was my first business trip after high school in the post ...
      I remember because of the "insufficient" admission - they did not want to let the checkpoint go further ... laughing
      But, an instruction from above ... and they let in "attaching" a personal accompanying person, so that "where it is not necessary and superfluous," as it were, he would not see ... laughing Even the status of the NTS was lowered in terms of the degree of closeness ... And uli - "young specialist", and from a different industry, albeit "related" :)))))
      Although, all the discussions were held in full ... Their people, that you can’t do for the Cause. bully

      Yes, "You can catch up with Voronezh!" :)
      It’s a pity ... if it is incompetent, they only planned to reduce the number mechanically and thoughtlessly. It’s easy to fire, it’s impossible to type! :(
      I remember the hungry, cold 90s, when there was no work at the design bureau, there were also "zero" funds ...
      At one design bureau, who was pleased with the work of the Big Chief, who was thinking on a large scale, letting go of his subordinates, he personally talked to everyone, took contacts and discussed the conditions for returning later when work and money appeared ... And he returned the worthy by the way!
  4. rkkasa xnumx
    rkkasa xnumx 27 May 2016 07: 50
    +14
    Those "effective managers" who rule (kill) our education, science, and local industry are, in general, small fry. Cardboard fools, which were allowed all these pranks, and on which the discontent of citizens is distracted. And it is quite possible that some of these managers sincerely consider their actions to be correct, that all these optimizations are good.

    But real puppeteers, they sit much higher, and their goals are much more global - to try to deprive our country of industrial and scientific potential. And it goes without saying that these puppeteers are well aware of what their actions will lead to.
    1. Vovanfalcon
      Vovanfalcon 27 May 2016 08: 00
      +32
      In confirmation of your words. Thoughts are not mine.
      The logic of the stalls

      Sad thoughts come when you try to figure out other administrative decisions. In the 60s they talked about “physicists” and “lyrics”, that is, techies and creative intelligentsia. Now it's time to divide people into techies and managers. Moreover, if the former can become second in certain circumstances, then the reverse movement is excluded. As the cinematic Chapaev said: "Education is not enough." The beautiful word "manager" implies that the owner of this specialty is not able to do anything with his own hands, but he mastered the science of managing. There is probably nothing wrong with this, if you do not take into account that most often the management pursues momentary interests.

      “Effective manager” and “successful manager” - without irony, people are needed and useful for the country. The only misfortune is that the psychology of many of them comes from the 90s, when the acquisition of a second tent “in the area” became a doubling of business, and the idea of ​​lowering the price of beer in one of them and cigarettes in the other was at the height of economic savvy . Then the stalls got to the enterprises, having sold the equipment they got for nothing and turning the workshops into warehouses and office centers. The logic is clear: profit should appear immediately, and everything that does not bring it should be multiplied by zero.

      After passing stalls and workshops, a restless tribe of successful managers mastered the public administration. But the slogan “Profit here and now” remained the most relevant for them. Only techies interfere and strongly - give some strange calculations, talk about long-term prospects. And next to them is a successful manager, terribly loving the saying "If you are so smart, why so poor?", He suddenly begins to feel his inferiority. Techies do not fit into his system of values, they are guided by concepts like "prestige of the country" that cannot be monetized. And if this brotherhood of eggheads is not let under the root, then at least making it shut up, life will become much easier.

      It is clear that tactically managers are much more viable - for their work they do not need the most complex machines, precision instruments and high-speed computers. But if suddenly all of our “effective ones” fly away to the Canaries at once, life in Russia will not stop. But if there are no techies ...
      President of MIIGAiK, pilot-cosmonaut, twice Hero of the Soviet Union Viktor Petrovich Savinykh.
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 27 May 2016 11: 49
        +1
        Quote: VovanFalcon

        The logic of the stalls
        The Pribyl here and now ”remained the most relevant for them. Only techies interfere and strongly - give some strange calculations, talk about long-term prospects. And next to them is a successful manager, terribly loving the saying "If you are so smart, why so poor?", He suddenly begins to feel his inferiority. Techies do not fit into his system of values, they are guided by concepts like "prestige of the country" that cannot be monetized.

        What can I add? Everything is already beautifully written. I can only say that if we lose rocket engine manufacturing, THIS IS EVERYTHING, THIS IS THE CRITCH OF DOMESTIC HIGH-TECH PRODUCTION! It is very easy to degrade, it is very difficult to develop.
      2. shtanko.49
        shtanko.49 27 May 2016 13: 31
        +2
        Our fucking capital managers will finish Russia, they have nothing in their souls or in the head, except for the green of the dollar.
      3. Altona
        Altona 27 May 2016 17: 43
        +1
        Quote: VovanFalcon
        In confirmation of your words. Thoughts are not mine.
        The logic of the stalls

        -------------------
        I have read this good text for a long time, I completely agree. And techies now, in general, are not needed by anyone. Demands are being put forward by a wagon, the salary is only promised. The country does not deal with personnel. The main task of the top leaders in two words "do not get poor". And the author of the article asked "rhetorical" questions.
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    3. edeligor
      edeligor 27 May 2016 08: 31
      +17
      Quote: rkkasa 81
      But real puppeteers, they sit much higher, and their goals are much more global - to try to deprive our country of industrial and scientific potential.

      I agree with you. We are drained, drained from everywhere. Subtly, wisely, under the oaths of love to the Kremlin celestials, under bravura marches and patriotic speeches. Take any industry other than the oil industry and everywhere the same thing — cuts, cuts, lower salaries, etc. I write repeatedly, grabbed the minuses from the cheers of the patriots, I basically do not care. It's a shame for the power ...
  5. Belousov
    Belousov 27 May 2016 08: 03
    +7
    Such "effective managers" must of course be punished, organize a separate order of Zverev and Galkin a logging brigade named after them. Serdyukov and send it to a real cut somewhere near Tagil.
    But it is much more important to punish those who are behind these managers, who allow them to purposefully destroy our country. And these people must be hung up for one place on the main squares of cities, so to speak, as a warning to posterity. It’s a pity that our authorities are not interested in the prosperity of the country, but exclusively in stuffing pockets for Western buns.
    1. Vovan 73
      Vovan 73 27 May 2016 10: 19
      +8
      "But it is much more important to punish those who are behind these managers, who allow them to purposefully destroy our country. And these people should be hung for one place in the main squares of cities, so to speak for the edification of posterity. It's a pity that our authorities are not interested in prosperity country, but exclusively in stuffing pockets for Western buns. "

      The fact is that our authorities are precisely the very people who need to be hung in one place .....
  6. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 27 May 2016 08: 10
    +2
    Another brainchild of the government !!! Giving the industry into the hands of businessmen, you had to think with your head, or at least remember that not one of them has ever made happy anybody or anyone else. An industry working for the state should produce 100% quality products, and not make money, that is, if only to sell, and what doesn’t matter to anyone.
    As for the training of personnel, it’s necessary to prepare them for half the job, the second half to keep them, and these are decent working conditions and salary and life. They don’t understand in KBHA - they will remain at the trough, but this will not make it easier - another industry may be irretrievably lost
  7. Dex
    Dex 27 May 2016 08: 20
    +5
    I work in Kovrov, in a branch of the Khrunichev center. The situation, frankly, does not coincide with that described in the article. On the contrary, we recruit young personnel. I'm talking about the situation with knowledge of the situation, because our family works at this enterprise as a dynasty (my grandfather and both parents worked here). Salary was minimal in the city 5 years ago, now it has become slightly higher than elsewhere. In the 90s, and then, there were NEVER any delays in salary payments. Although in our city there is such a weapons giant as the Degtyarev Plant. And we have something to compare with. On the Eastern topic: we often go there on business trips and salary of 55 thousand is very little by local standards. The average salary of a specialist moving there from Baikonur is 90-120 thousand rubles. By the way, I just graduated from the specialty "hydraulic machines and hydropneumatic automation", I was interested in vacancies at Vostochny near the "Motor" design bureau, following the results of a six-month business trip, when I showed my competence, they offered 80 per month. But these 80 are comparable to the current 30 in the Vladimir region in terms of living standards ...
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 27 May 2016 10: 55
      +4
      Quote: Dex
      I work in Kovrov, in a branch of the Khrunichev center. The situation, frankly, does not coincide with that described in the article.

      It seems that in this case Kovrov is an exception to the rule. In general, the situation in the industry is difficult.
      / n at 55tysyach it is very small by local standards
      As far as I know, in the Moscow center of Khrunichev, the average salary not so long ago did not reach 2/3 of this amount. If something has changed, unsubscribe who is in the know.
      1. sibiryouk
        sibiryouk 27 May 2016 13: 57
        0
        In this case, 2 more exceptions are ISS and Krasmash. The situation is quite stable, s / n for our region is good.
  8. lao_tsy
    lao_tsy 27 May 2016 08: 47
    +10
    Quote: "No money. You hold on there!"
    And besides the mat, nothing comes to mind ....
    Liberasty b ......!
  9. aiw
    aiw 27 May 2016 10: 18
    +7
    Just now there was a heated discussion about Elon Musk and Falcon. It is very interesting to listen to the citizens who found fault with the falcon in this topic. Imagine - "Elon Musk fires young staff!" "The US space industry has a low salary!" belay
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 May 2016 10: 55
      +2
      Elon Musk SpaceX in 10 - 15 years will become the same large corporation as BAE Systems.
  10. Verdun
    Verdun 27 May 2016 11: 01
    +3
    The situation described by the author in the article is very characteristic of many Russian research institutes. Of course, those who are familiar with what is happening inside, it is difficult to be optimistic about the statements of the same Rogozin. Here in the comments they wrote that in the Kovrov branch of Khrunichev, everything is fine. Allegedly, there is even an average salary of 55 thousand rubles. In Kovrov it was the last time seven years ago. It was a heavy sight. It may be that over the past time it has changed for the better, but, in my opinion, for such an average salary the whole city should queue up in the personnel department.
  11. vadimtt
    vadimtt 27 May 2016 11: 23
    +3
    Quote: VovanFalcon

    President of MIIGAiK, pilot-cosmonaut, twice Hero of the Soviet Union Viktor Petrovich Savinykh.

    It becomes doubly offensive when you learn that MIIGAiK will soon be closed, in the place of its buildings, either an elite housing, or a business center. Hi to many laser technologies, OLS-am, space reconnaissance systems. And behind all this, sooner or later (sooner rather) they will also cover the NIIP at Aviamotornaya, pah ...
    Now, even there’s nowhere to go nostalgic ...
  12. Grizli-666
    Grizli-666 27 May 2016 11: 27
    -4
    However, it smells of fake (under the standard cries of "fucked up all the polymers!")
  13. Dex
    Dex 27 May 2016 11: 47
    0
    Verdun, you misunderstood my words a little. I commented on the author's thesis that 55 thousand were offered to a specialist in the East - by the standards of the Far East, this is a small amount. About my branch (KB "Armatura"), I spoke about an average salary of 25-30 thousand rubles.
  14. AUL
    AUL 27 May 2016 11: 51
    +2
    Defense is not an area that generates income for the state, and it is foolish to put "effective managers" in its leadership. Since, according to their logic, the greatest income will be if the enterprise is closed, the equipment is sold for scrap, and the areas are leased for warehouses or shopping and entertainment centers.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 27 May 2016 20: 27
      +1
      So we have equally effective managers on the "state".
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 May 2016 12: 06
    +5
    Well, I don’t know what to say. Recently I was at a meeting in KRET, with a large concentration of interested people. There is no crisis and other things. A very business situation, and I have not found a single effective manager among the management of enterprises. Probably mimic?
    You go to any enterprise, you sit in a smoking-room - everything is bad, tomorrow we will close, the director - not in an arc, sleeps with the secretary, steals money, and in general everything is not right, the salary is not paid, or they do not pay extra, and in general everyone is fired tomorrow ... You arrive a year later, the same faces, the same conversations, as if the tape was stuck ... I suggest not making generalizations, but specifically, about enterprises - so that the workers of enterprises. I dare to assure you that the wages of workers in the cost of "space" products are very small. And you have to look - from the order. Does the order fall on heptyl engines? for a minute, heptyl is 6 times poisonous to hydrocyanic acid. And KBKHA specializes in them exactly. Maybe it’s a "tough dog", and not in a desire to "kill" the space industry in Russia? "Angara" - it is kerosene!
    1. Grizli-666
      Grizli-666 27 May 2016 12: 15
      +1
      Shhh. Skororokhov said in a coffin, then in a coffin. Do not dare to argue with him!
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 27 May 2016 20: 31
        0
        And the American bear said - to cling to optimism on the face and joyfully joyfully for the glory of the effective owners of the future.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 27 May 2016 20: 29
      +2
      Having fired workers, then you will get your legs off looking for them. In my own skin I know what a competent machine operator, locksmith, etc. Moreover, they are not going to close the enterprise. I have a suspicion that this is due to privatization.
  16. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 27 May 2016 12: 30
    +3
    why are such salaries small? answer: Putin is to blame, and why the trade unions are silent, why the workers do not go on strike, do not demand a pay raise, answer: because since the National Guard comes along with Putin and kills everyone, they don’t want to do anything and everyone is waiting for someone to come and put things in order. This is the modern worker, when conversations about what to do end up with a bottle, the working class doesn’t have any manager, and other husks will not be spoiled.
    By the way, Roman, why didn’t you write how many engineers work at such enterprises, how many engineers, accountants, and other managers are there, and who are relatives, why didn’t you write about the clan system, didn’t write about the designers who sign the drawings for 1972. why they did not write about engineers who are under 70 years old and who do not know how to work on a computer. about bloated states. Why didn’t you write about old and newest equipment that can replace several people? Why didn’t you write about products that cost under half a million and workers get who make it for 30000 thousand. Reading you, it seems that before the reduction everything was fine, but now everything has collapsed.

    and so that you, dear Roman, are deprived of the opportunity to tell me that I don’t know anything and see it from the side, I must answer that the organization in which I worked was liquidated (defense industry). and not one of the employees said a word against. (I’m not lying: Putin is to blame), just as everyone was silent when they cut the prices, and increased the amount of output, no, they said Putin is to blame where he looks. you don’t know how to assert your rights, so get it.

    They liquidated and did it right, because the state is not a bottomless barrel that pays for a new progressive product, the novelty of which is the transfer of the toggle switch in a 1982 device and painting it with new paint.
    Regarding the article, the content is this: let's leave it as it is, and give the state money, otherwise the private owners of the rocket are already making it in the USA, they will soon drive us away from space. Roman, why don’t you ask a question When will our privateers make rockets?
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 27 May 2016 15: 38
      +1
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      why are such salaries small? answer:

      /// earlier in the Union, the difference in salary between young specialists and the leadership in the "nine" was about 3-4 times! But in hundreds !!! This is one of the reasons...
      Capitalism, however!
      Now, if it were worthy to "flog" the so-called. "effective managers and MRKT" for shitty work: the fall of Protons, Phobos and so on. - I think, maybe. and the others thought.
      And then completely - irresponsibility, and bablos - the first to divide and "saw".

      Quote: vladimirvn
      According to the Deputy Prime Minister, if Russian industry does not fight against bureaucracy, then the Russians will “look at NASA and Ilon Mask.” Https://lenta.ru/news/2016/05/27/rogozin/
      What was that?

      ... well, cho ... a harbinger of "fierce oprichnina", God forbid! bully
      And it's high time!
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 27 May 2016 20: 35
      +2
      Speak correctly. But about private traders in space - a confusing matter, and let’s not talk about ours. Our private owners - and the supercar was too tough, and so happy, I think that Fomenko will be able to. I’m not even talking about Prokhorov.
      In general, space is a state affair.
  17. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 27 May 2016 12: 31
    +3
    And here is our "idol" with a statement. "..Russia has recognized the impossibility of catching up with the United States in space.
    Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that increasing productivity by one and a half times will not help Russia catch up with the United States in the space industry. The words of the deputy head of government on Friday, May 27, quoted Interfax.
    “Well, we’ll increase it by one and a half times, but still they will never be caught up with,” said Rogozin at the board of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, noting that today Russia is nine times behind the Americans in this area.
    According to the Deputy Prime Minister, if Russian industry does not fight against bureaucracy, then the Russians will “look at NASA and Ilon Mask.” Https://lenta.ru/news/2016/05/27/rogozin/
    What was that? am
    1. Kostya Andreev
      Kostya Andreev 27 May 2016 12: 46
      +2
      it was what I wrote about, the money allocated is not for the development of production, but for the maintenance of the bureaucratic managerial apparatus, production cannot develop when there are fewer producers than managers!
      private owners made exactly the same products, so the team is less with him, the payment is higher. no such bloated states. each is doing his job, but fine girls are not sitting in the amount of 8 people drinking tea, or 50 normalizing women for 5 people.
    2. NordUral
      NordUral 27 May 2016 20: 36
      0
      Enlightenment at Dima. It may come to the understanding that it is not taking its place.
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 28 May 2016 09: 35
      0
      He meant that labor productivity should be increased one and a half times - a little. It’s necessary at three. laughing
  18. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 27 May 2016 14: 21
    +3
    So someone needs it, in a bad way it is necessary :(
    And yet, managers and the defense industry are incompatible concepts.
  19. vandarus
    vandarus 27 May 2016 14: 34
    0
    And is this the factory that recently announced super breakthroughs in creating fundamentally new engines for spacecraft? Well now it’s clear why Rogozin claims to be permanently behind the United States. Trying to guy .....
  20. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 27 May 2016 16: 00
    +1
    Yes, the situation in the race is not encouraging.

    Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that the Russian Federation is not able to catch up with the United States in the space industry. According to him, the United States is nine times ahead of Russia in this area, and to overcome the gap is unrealistic.
    Speaking at the collegium of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, Dmitry Rogozin said that the most ambitious Russian projects in the space industry speak of an increase in productivity by one and a half times, which is not enough to bridge the gap with the United States, RBC reports.
    Rogozin added that the Russians will only look at the achievements of Elon Musk and NASA, reassuring themselves that "we don't need this."
    To remedy the current situation, the Deputy Prime Minister called for a sharp reduction in the bureaucracy in this area: to facilitate the decision-making procedure, to reduce the workflow and to introduce the principle of a "one window" of inspections.
  21. RedBaron
    RedBaron 27 May 2016 17: 52
    +1
    I consider Rogozin's trampoline a worthy invention. Trampoline for everyone! laughing
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 27 May 2016 18: 22
      +3
      When he talked about the trampoline, he probably didn’t yet know that we would find ourselves in a full trampoline.
  22. iouris
    iouris 27 May 2016 18: 57
    +1
    Having taken off a head through hair do not cry.
    Everything is natural. And how great it was in 1991, everything was clear to everyone. As they say, less than 25 years have passed ...
    Rogozin is a Komsomolets by education, a young communist.
    Here Livanov systematically destroys the Soviet system in two areas, which for this merged into one. The same result should be in other related areas. By the way, Rogozin and Livanov are a family.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 27 May 2016 20: 25
      +1
      Yes, one can only hope for Rogozin and others like him in our zombie state in the 90s.
  23. SmileSimple
    SmileSimple 27 May 2016 19: 27
    0
    On the Internet, many are discussing the replacement of truckers with robotic drivers, but the first to replace highly skilled "machine workers".

    This week I was at the Metalworking-2016 exhibition.
    I looked at machine tools and tools, domestic and foreign.
    The Rubicon is passed, the bridges are burned ... a new technological era has begun in machine tool building.
    Now 1 (one) multi-spindle CNC machine replaces the "Soviet workshop" and this machine does NOT need a competent machine operator. In addition, laser equipment has made a huge leap forward.

    We need a computer man, constructor, designer, logistician - to load a computer model into the machine memory. And the qualifications of the workers are practically not important.

    Something I can’t find the button to insert the photo / video from the exhibition into the message :(
    Please tell me.
    Thank you in advance
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 27 May 2016 20: 24
      +2
      Well, you cannot find the button, but say that the worker does not need qualifications. really needed, believe me.
      1. SmileSimple
        SmileSimple 27 May 2016 21: 11
        +1
        Thank you.

        The machine is assembled in Russia.
        The part is made on 1 (one) machine in 1 (one) cycle.
        In 48 minutes.

        The worker doesn’t even need to clean the chips
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 28 May 2016 00: 11
          0
          Quote: SmileSimple

          The machine is assembled in Russia.
          The part is made on 1 (one) machine in 1 (one) cycle.
          In 48 minutes.

          This is still yesterday. Tomorrow is a printer production of parts.
          1. Mestny
            Mestny 28 May 2016 01: 21
            0
            How are you going to print parts from steel?
            And for any machine anyway, a master is needed - suddenly something will break.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 28 May 2016 12: 07
              0
              Quote: Mestny
              How are you going to print parts from steel?
              And for any machine anyway, a master is needed - suddenly something will break.

              Like this
              http://www.cubicprints.ru/materials/slm-steel
            2. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 28 May 2016 12: 43
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              "How are you going to print parts from steel?" ////

              Laser sintering.

              "And for any machine, you still need a master - suddenly something breaks."

              But this is true. Repairmen and adjusters will remain.
              1. cedar
                cedar 29 May 2016 07: 50
                +1
                "But this is true. Repairers and adjusters will remain."

                No, be completely consistent. Germany specializes in the design and manufacture of industrial robots. What is it for..?
          2. cedar
            cedar 29 May 2016 07: 45
            -1
            This is still yesterday. Tomorrow is a printer production of parts.For cyborgs ...
        2. lesovichok
          lesovichok 30 May 2016 10: 23
          +1
          Good day to all. I regularly read the site, but rarely log in.
          So, judging by the name, the machine is assembled in Ulyanovsk.
          But, let's dot the i.
          In Ulyanovsk there is an assembly production.
          There is no access to either documentation or management software development.
          That is, in fact, we again pride ourselves in assembling Japanese machine tools. Dot.

          At the same time, I’m not afraid of this word, the famous UZTS pissed off, though it was abandoned back in the 90s, but oh well. Russia does not have its own technologies (closed cycle) for the development and production of the machine, and its hardware and software parts.
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    2. SmileSimple
      SmileSimple 27 May 2016 21: 07
      0
      stainless steel
      3 laser engraving
      those. just download the desired model to the computer
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    4. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 27 May 2016 21: 20
      +2
      Quote: SmileSimple
      Now 1 (one) multi-spindle CNC machine replaces the "Soviet workshop" and this machine does NOT need a competent machine operator. In addition, laser equipment has made a huge leap forward.

      You mean a fleet of machines. Only one machine will not produce as many products as the Soviet workshop did.
      Quote: SmileSimple
      replaces "Soviet workshop"

      Why this "stone" in secular workshops, thanks to which something else works in our country.
      And note that the USSR has not existed for 25 years, but, believe me, if it existed, then the machinery we had would be no worse than a foreign one.
      But where did the leadership of the Russian Federation look for 25 years, at the time when the technological revolution was taking place in the world? this is the question!
      Although the answer is clear, they shared property and subsoil, pumped hydrocarbons, sold plant equipment like scrap to the west, sold technology.
      And now, in addition to the feverish zombie-brawler that "everything is fine" with us, we have nothing, no personnel, no science, no industry, no education, no medicine (now they are breaking the last thing) And the LADY says in her blue eye that money also no!
      They are worse than any enemy.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 28 May 2016 18: 49
        +1
        We have everything - only not everyone sees this.
    5. RedBaron
      RedBaron 28 May 2016 00: 13
      -1
      fully robotic plants are planned by 2050 in the United States and Europe, and for completeness, I mean right up to development and implementation into production ....
  24. NordUral
    NordUral 27 May 2016 20: 21
    +1
    There is a holiday in St. Petersburg, and the mood after everything I read on VO and heard from a zombie hunter sometimes squeals, like an interview with Madame Golikova, where to find a rope and soap.
  25. mav1971
    mav1971 27 May 2016 20: 47
    0
    Experience and skill is a very important detail. But not in the case when 55-58 year old man will plow as young. One and a half shifts and on weekends. And he will plow, not going anywhere.


    He will not plow.
    He had not plowed at all for 25 years before.
    And now, even more so, he won’t forget how to plow.
    If he sat on a meager salary in 90, he didn’t quit.
    If he did something in 2000, he didn’t quit.
    That with fat "tenths" 0 he began to plow fifty dollars? - no. There are no fairy tales.

    During his hungry years, his family was half-starved - he didn’t care
    In the mid-90s, 10 people worked with me from TsSKB Progress, 5 people each from "Frunze" and "Kuznetsov".
    Everyone then escaped from these enterprises.
    The laziest and "someone's children" remained.
    Now in this industry is no better.
    I see what is happening there now.
    The nepotism is terrible. nepotism is such that the grandfather, the head of the retirement department, transfers his position to his grandson, who has just received a university diploma.
    Overtime posts when no job.
    and much more.

    And that's "okay". For them.
    They are so used to for many years.
    They are on the contrary jarring everyone if you start to say it.
  26. Kenneth
    Kenneth 27 May 2016 23: 50
    0
    Can someone explain why the heck to us amid this 2000 armature.
    1. Mestny
      Mestny 28 May 2016 01: 25
      0
      But that with the help of Armat additional time it would appear to fix everything.
      At least some chance.
      Without Armat (conditionally of course) - there is no chance at all.
  27. AlexSam
    AlexSam 28 May 2016 02: 33
    +3
    it seems that Russia is made up of three components:

    1. the country of Russia, consisting of a people
    2. The state of the Russian Federation, consisting of the government, state apparatus, officials of all ranks, calibers and stripes, the leadership of state corporations, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the court and the prosecutor's office
    3. presidential administration with the president himself, the Ministry of Defense with the army and navy, the FSB

    the first component contains and feeds the second component: directors, oligarchs, masters of life, officials, provides it with work (Ministry of Internal Affairs, prosecutor's office, courts);
    the second component controls the uninterrupted processes of feeding and providing for itself at the expense of the first, provides itself with material and other benefits, makes sure that the first component does not open its mouth, puts it with the device on science, education, medicine, industry, as well as on the third component;
    the third component solves foreign policy issues, protects a peaceful sky over the second component and ensures its security ...

    sometimes the masses from the first component still manage to open their mouths and then individual representatives of the third component tell the individual representatives of the second component that they are burying themselves ... electric trains begin to walk in a single direction, the road patches in a single city, wages are given out on a single construction site, they start to treat someone or give a roof over their heads, something else on the little things ...

    but on the whole, the second component doesn’t bother much, wrinkles its foreheads at the camera, says that everything is in a bunch, that it is fighting and winning ... Roman just wrote about such drummers who are firmly reaching their goals, smearing caviar on sausage, because the first the component will not die, and the third component will crush the world's evil with its authority ... well, the satellites can also be put into orbit with the help of the old ICBMs removed from combat duty ...
  28. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 28 May 2016 03: 05
    +1
    There were managers in the USSR, and they differed from modern "managers" like heaven from earth! "Managers" is evil! Fact! Ask what, and why were they different? There was a very good "SELECTION" in the USSR! By analogy with "NATURAL SELECTION", appointed by the "top" manager Joseph. Tough but effective! Everything that happened next, with the departure of those managers to the "Other World", descending down to the modern "managers".
    1. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 28 May 2016 03: 33
      +1
      And most importantly, the life values ​​and tasks that they set themselves, those managers of the Soviet era were different! "Manageru", you cannot comprehend this, never! He will not understand them at all! It is already in a different, different format (reformatted) for another, by no means the "Bright Future" of mankind, but for itself and for its own personal interests. That's just, (this format) is different, developed for different purposes, for a different "Operating System"!
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  30. Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 28 May 2016 09: 35
    +2
    It is necessary to pay specialists normally - then the work will go. The figures voiced in the material are completely inadequate (despite the fact that the directorate receives 40-50 times more + bonuses + other bonuses)
  31. bogdan4ik
    bogdan4ik 31 May 2016 04: 57
    0
    Of course in the USA. It's simple - they knock out money to set up a similar enterprise in the USA and pay for the wrecking activities of "effective managers", then they lure Russian specialists along with secrets, and Russia has problems,
    US rocket engine.