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The Pentagon will upgrade the control system of the "nuclear shield"

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The American Automated Nuclear Power Management System (SACCS) has so far been using outdated IBM Series / 1 computers manufactured in 70's as well as 8-inch diskettes storing information to transmit commands. Interfax resource message N + 1.


The Pentagon will upgrade the control system of the "nuclear shield"
IBM Series / 1 Mini PC

According to the resource, the Pentagon decided to upgrade the SACCS system by the end of next year.

As noted in her report, the Main Control and Financial Department, in the United States, several other departments use outdated computers and programs besides the military department.

In particular, “the US Treasury Department uses a program written in 1950's to authorize taxpayer credentials,” the department noted.

Help edition: “SACCS earned in January 1968 of the year. Initially, it was based on IBM AN / FSQ-31 computing systems by October 1975, completely replaced by new IBM Series / 1. The control system is responsible for coordinating the actions of intercontinental ballistic missiles, strategic bombers and submarine ballistic missiles. ”
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  1. Putinets
    Putinets 26 May 2016 17: 08
    +11
    Also 8-inch floppy disks on which information is stored

    It's a pity that not on the perforated maps of the 60s, or on the film for "Spring202" or "Jupiter". The 21st century still needs to go over to birch bark laughing
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 26 May 2016 17: 11
      +8
      Zero performance but reliability at the ax level! Computers have worked for 50 years! Respect ibm but here you could do a long upgrade!
      1. Dr. Sorge
        Dr. Sorge 26 May 2016 17: 49
        +9
        the piece of iron is strong :) And Windows did not go there. So they work :)
        1. andr327
          andr327 26 May 2016 21: 05
          +2
          In winter, I went over the stocks in the garage, found my old IBM 286 system unit and an EGA monitor in a standing corner. It was cold, but decided to turn it on, and it didn’t seem strange to work, DOS 6.22, Lexicon, Engine, everything works. By the way, floppy disks of the 90s still work, modern ones fly off after 3-4 records.
          And part of our combat control system is also from those years. In these systems, the main thing is reliability and reliability, and the amount of data is not so big. Beautiful 3D graphics are not needed.
          1. Alf
            Alf 26 May 2016 21: 55
            +2
            Quote: andr327
            In winter, I went over the stocks in the garage, found my old IBM 286 system unit and an EGA monitor in a standing corner. It was cold, but decided to turn it on, and it didn’t seem strange to work, DOS 6.22, Lexicon, Engine, everything works. By the way, floppy disks of the 90s still work, modern ones fly off after 3-4 records.

            Send to the Pentagon, let them update their park. laughing
            1. Starover_Z
              Starover_Z 26 May 2016 23: 11
              +1
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: andr327
              In winter, I went over the stocks in the garage, found my old IBM 286 system unit and an EGA monitor in a standing corner. It was cold, but decided to turn it on, and it didn’t seem strange to work, DOS 6.22, Lexicon, Engine, everything works. By the way, floppy disks of the 90s still work, modern ones fly off after 3-4 records.

              Send to the Pentagon, let them update their park. laughing

              And there’s nothing! If they want to buy it out - let them pay it as a rarity, let alone a worker!
              And at the auction price!
            2. poquello
              poquello 27 May 2016 01: 58
              0
              Quote: Alf
              Quote: andr327
              In winter, I went over the stocks in the garage, found my old IBM 286 system unit and an EGA monitor in a standing corner. It was cold, but decided to turn it on, and it didn’t seem strange to work, DOS 6.22, Lexicon, Engine, everything works. By the way, floppy disks of the 90s still work, modern ones fly off after 3-4 records.

              Send to the Pentagon, let them update their park. laughing

              they don’t take it, suddenly the bookmark
              1. ferdiperdozzz
                ferdiperdozzz 27 May 2016 11: 46
                0
                Quote: poquello
                they don’t take it, suddenly the bookmark

                Yeah, their own, they just forgot about her :)
          2. ferdiperdozzz
            ferdiperdozzz 27 May 2016 11: 45
            0
            Of course, this is not all Androids that you fly, if the icon is not moved there. But it sells well - once a year the android / iPhone dies, maybe a special bookmark is made so that after a year they buy a new one. I have Nokia 3310 - it works and doesn’t blow in the mustache :) And the wife changes the iPhone every year - because it starts to slow down and stupid (coincidence? I don’t think :))
      2. Alf
        Alf 26 May 2016 21: 54
        0
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        Zero performance but reliability at the ax level! Computers have worked for 50 years! Respect ibm but here you could do a long upgrade!

        The funny thing is that both computers and laptops make and sell fine computers, laptops, tablets, etc., all over the world, but it seems that they completely forgot about the native army.
      3. Kite
        Kite 27 May 2016 00: 37
        0
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        Computers have worked for 50 years! Respect ibm

        - they collected old computers in all universities to create repair stock.
        Somewhere I have a workable Seagate MFM disk, everything was going to cash in, offer expensive saccs or nasa wassat , and they decided to suddenly upgrade winked
    2. reservist
      reservist 26 May 2016 17: 11
      +6
      remember the punched tape ... drinks

      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 May 2016 17: 58
        +2
        And how it was translated through the holes.
        1. reservist
          reservist 26 May 2016 18: 08
          +4
          Well, something like this ...
          1. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 26 May 2016 23: 28
            +1
            Quote: reservist
            Well, something like this ...

            What a teletype !!! I was repairing TEZs from his descendant F1100.
            Actively used in the work until the middle of 2000, even a little more.
      2. self-propelled
        self-propelled 26 May 2016 19: 37
        +4
        this is power wassat
        5 megabytes of information - 62500 punch cards
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 26 May 2016 19: 50
          +6
          Quote: self-propelled
          this is power
          5 megabytes of information - 62500 punch cards



          It’s sinful to laugh ... After all, there would be THEM (those computers) - there would be no modern ones ...

          We don’t laugh at the wheel ...
          1. self-propelled
            self-propelled 26 May 2016 20: 11
            +1
            Quote: weksha50

            It’s sinful to laugh ... After all, there would be THEM (those computers) - there would be no modern ones ...

            We don’t laugh at the wheel ...

            Duc, no one argues - evolution in any business is an inevitable thing (unless you deliberately slow it down).
            just the mood after a busy day predisposes to rest and a cheerful mood drinks
            1. weksha50
              weksha50 26 May 2016 22: 31
              0
              Quote: self-propelled
              just the mood after a busy day predisposes to rest and a cheerful mood



              So let's drink to the ancestors of today's computers! drinks hi
        2. reservist
          reservist 26 May 2016 20: 08
          +2
          if the same IBM Series / 1 RAM had as many as 16 kilobytes, then even 1 megabyte is a hell of a lot ...
          and besides, floppy disks appeared ...
      3. atakan
        atakan 27 May 2016 03: 09
        +1

        There is nothing better for modernization than
    3. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 26 May 2016 17: 22
      +2
      Quote: Putin
      switch to birch bark


      In savages, no matter what their floppy disks have done. Maybe we'll throw off the hardware, from whom the hard drive, from whom the old "mother", and from whom so generally high-tech - 256 RAM with memory slots.
      1. quote
        quote 26 May 2016 17: 35
        +1
        Then they have trouble with the F-35!
        And they have not yet "dispersed" Tetris, to the consumer level!
        Miracles! To tell someone they spit in the face.
        1. quote
          quote 26 May 2016 17: 43
          +2
          For the "minus".
          Tetris is a computer game invented in the USSR by Alexei Pajitnov and presented to the public on June 6, 1984. The idea of ​​Tetris prompted him to buy a game of pentamino.
          IBM AN / FSQ-31 by October 1975 completely replaced by new IBM Series / 1
          I think that my sarcasm ("Tetris" was not "dispersed" to the consumer level) is allowed to be written.
        2. Asadullah
          Asadullah 26 May 2016 18: 34
          +2
          Then they have trouble with the F-35!


          The senate-funding-outcome is not good at parity. Money was given for the project of an unkillable, unpunished aircraft. It turned out a little money, to which they were told that they had become the root of the genitals.

          And I have been hearing this article for ten years already. It appears when the question of funding arises, congressmen are led to which "Potemkin village", showing the appearance of a problem. They give more money, but not as much as asked. From that, the next year, everything repeats itself one to one, with languid rolling eyes, and an insinuating baritone: - We asked you, but you did not give, it was only enough for mats for mice ...
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 26 May 2016 19: 55
            +1
            Quote: Asadullah
            And I have been hearing this article for ten years already. It appears when the question of funding arises, congressmen are led to which "Potemkin village", showing the appearance of a problem



            I completely agree with you ... The one shown in the photo and written in the article is just a "Potemkin village", just topsy-turvy, intended for senator-congressmen to knock out money ...

            Just someone who giggles over the ancient US strategic nuclear forces control system would think about one question: could Amers really allow the existence of such a system with such performance in a century where the speed of computers can decide whether a country exists or not ???
            1. kit_bellew
              kit_bellew 27 May 2016 05: 57
              +1
              Quote: weksha50
              Just someone who giggles over the ancient US strategic nuclear forces control system would think about one question: could Amers really allow the existence of such a system with such performance in a century where the speed of computers can decide whether a country exists or not ???

              Speed ​​is speed, and reliability is reliability. Well, they will replace proven workhorses with modern systems. And where are those systems produced today? They themselves threw all high-tech production out of the country into China and other Malaysia. In addition, it’s scary to think: the whole nuclear cracker of the Americans will work under Windows wassat The fact is known when in Iraq either the 117th one fell, or something else, simply because the software refused from Bill. And here is nuclear control. Do not bring the Lord, as they say lol
              1. weksha50
                weksha50 27 May 2016 13: 23
                0
                Quote: kit_bellew
                scary to think: the whole nuclear cracker of the Americans will work under Windows



                It’s not at all necessary that under Windows ... And most likely - and not at all under it ...

                All command and control systems of the Armed Forces of any state operate under specially developed and sharpened precisely for this process axes ...

                Windows is just a common user axis ... Managing to enslave almost the whole world ...
    4. Alf
      Alf 26 May 2016 21: 51
      0
      Quote: Putin
      it is necessary to pass in the end to birch bark

      True, biotechnology is now in vogue.
  2. soroKING
    soroKING 26 May 2016 17: 14
    +8
    and I got a little pimp round under the monitor on the right ... I wonder if it’s pressed or twisted ... wassat
    1. poquello
      poquello 26 May 2016 17: 20
      +3
      Quote: soroKING
      and I got a little pimp round under the monitor on the right ... I wonder if it’s pressed or twisted ... wassat

      twist screen brightness
    2. Yak-3P
      Yak-3P 26 May 2016 17: 24
      +8
      blow crying blow into it ..
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 26 May 2016 18: 19
        +2
        Quote: Yak-3P
        blow blow into it ..


        No, guys, they are advanced. Maybe it's "RESET"?
        Although no, then there was still a "pedal", the disc would not have time to park.
        In general, I remember the years before this miracle in the photo - so all that the USSR had to do then was to allow people to have a Personal Computer. No, we tried to create a gosset based on the element base from "Tungsram" but with a known result. How can we not help the Hungarian comrades? But there were also developments, BUT it was NOT possible for a Soviet person to have a computer at home. You never know what he invents there, if in the smoking room the docking nodes are creatively muddied "on the fingers", and then they go to their drawing boards? And this prohibition, I think, played an important role in the collapse of the USSR. If in Gos.VCh boys-ten-graders-trainees completely banned the game about cudgels-and-their-bosses with might and main, wasting machine time mercilessly. And if there is a jamb, so the Komsomol leader is told about the imperfection of the computer.
        1. poquello
          poquello 27 May 2016 01: 54
          +1
          Quote: iliitch
          And this prohibition, I think, played an important role in the collapse of the USSR.

          played, a ban on access to photocopying and duplicating equipment, and what kind of computer then no data carrier, later to see we realized that you can’t hide from progress, went apogee, spectra, etc., but without much enthusiasm
      2. self-propelled
        self-propelled 26 May 2016 19: 46
        +2
        Quote: Yak-3P
        blow blow into it ..

        laughing good
        and I thought as in tevilizore switch channels wassat

        a little humor after a hard day will not hurt. have fun
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 26 May 2016 20: 16
          +2
          Quote: self-propelled
          and I was thinking how to switch channels in a tevilizor

          a little humor after a hard day will not hurt. have fun


          And then a colleague a couple of months ago asked how to explain to his grandchildren the switching of channels on the TV "Rainbow" with pliers? Well, how is it, with pliers? Disable iPhones for 3 days. - 100% end of the world. What will the descendants do? And, the brush is hopelessly used in the toilet. So to speak, the last hope of Western civilization.
          And our little thing will get out. They hand-to-hand TU-160 will be planted at home, and then they will also take off with full load, I believe in it.
          1. self-propelled
            self-propelled 26 May 2016 20: 31
            +1
            Quote: iliitch
            ... And our little thing will get out. They hand-to-hand TU-160 will be planted at home, and then they will also take off with full load, I believe in this ...

            and I believe. the main thing in the "right direction". wink
            1. iliitchitch
              iliitchitch 26 May 2016 20: 41
              +1
              Quote: self-propelled
              and I believe. the main thing in the "right direction".


              As in "Primordial Russia" - a good film, by the way - the prince, Boris Nevzorov plays, said: "Go, Aneyushka. We will not break the guy, but we will bend him ...".
      3. poquello
        poquello 27 May 2016 01: 55
        0
        Quote: Yak-3P
        blow crying blow into it ..

        such as drunk access to warheads is prohibited
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 26 May 2016 19: 56
      +1
      Quote: soroKING
      and I got a little round pimp under the monitor on the right ... I wonder if it’s pressed or twisted ...



      Cool ... like the brains of a senator to knock out money ...
  3. Buffet
    Buffet 26 May 2016 17: 14
    0
    And I thought that only we had such a problem ... Floppy disks have only recently been resolved as a medium.
  4. DerSamowar
    DerSamowar 26 May 2016 17: 16
    0
    Indeed, it is strange ... In our new generation of guards (mine-based yars) the monitors were flat, the buttons are small, everything is compact - I was already surprised when I saw it.
  5. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 26 May 2016 17: 21
    0
    I would have clamped one for the collection, but they would quickly go hand in hand, there are still sparks, the data were loaded from the tapes. The video is a little stretched, but the presentation gives, though almost the programs are not loaded.

  6. soroKING
    soroKING 26 May 2016 17: 21
    0
    something is missing ... I’ll wash the pens on the right, like an arithmometer bully
    1. reservist
      reservist 26 May 2016 18: 01
      0
      Quote: soroKING
      something is missing ...

      racks with the rest of the "iron" ...
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 May 2016 21: 26
      +5
      Quote: soroKING
      something is missing ... in my opinion the pens on the right, like an arithmometer
      In vain they ignore the absolute system, and even duplicated for reliability!
      1. poquello
        poquello 27 May 2016 02: 08
        +1
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: soroKING
        something is missing ... in my opinion the pens on the right, like an arithmometer
        In vain they ignore the absolute system, and even duplicated for reliability!

        and how to issue a command to launch this item
  7. Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 26 May 2016 17: 23
    +1
    as I understand it "Aegis" tube laughing and the most advanced and exceptional are very far from the "terminator" .. yeah .. maybe stuffing?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 26 May 2016 17: 30
      +2
      Not stuffing. Here's a link to an article on Fox News. There are English, so Google Translate to help.

      www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/05/26/government-spending-billions-to-keep-antique
      -computer-systems-running.html
      1. opus
        opus 26 May 2016 23: 12
        +2
        1.In 1990, the system was completely replaced by USSTRATCOM Command and Control, etc.


        2.In 2012, USSTRATCOM was replaced by ISPAN and "facelift" USSTRATCOM







        Missile Graphic Planning System (MGPS) rewritten from Fortran in C ++, automatically with software: TSRI's JANUS ™, "rewrite" speed in 20 automatically transform the 80,000-line code from Fortran
    2. Dr. Sorge
      Dr. Sorge 26 May 2016 17: 51
      +2
      But there is nothing bad in the lamps, they are not afraid of radiation :)
      1. User
        User 26 May 2016 21: 37
        0
        Quote: Dr. Sorge
        radiation not afraid

        That's just not radiation, but an electromagnetic pulse. Although there is a nuclear explosion, there are other sources.
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 26 May 2016 22: 32
          0
          Lamps are not afraid, the stump is clear, "with a sufficiently distant source." Have you ever seen a PURE lamp product? From Bonch-Bruevich, perhaps theoretically. But there the wires will be guided by more resistors, so there is no chance. In trance, the coils will bend. I wouldn't go up to them. And the diodes ...
      2. Alf
        Alf 26 May 2016 22: 00
        +1
        Quote: Dr. Sorge
        But there is nothing bad in the lamps, they are not afraid of radiation :)

        Incidentally, in modern high-end equipment, lamps were again used instead of trance.
  8. kostiknet
    kostiknet 26 May 2016 17: 26
    0
    Americans have all the money to advertise their army ... In films and toys, their equipment is beyond science fiction !!! But on a natural upgrade was not enough ...
  9. kostiknet
    kostiknet 26 May 2016 17: 33
    0
    Americans have all the money to advertise their army ... In films and toys, their equipment is beyond science fiction !!! But on a natural upgrade was not enough ... repeat
  10. Putinets
    Putinets 26 May 2016 17: 42
    +3
    Quote: iliitch
    , and with whom is it so hi-tech - 256 RAM with memory slots

    You do not oblige their poor 10-bit and 250 will cause diarrhea and intestinal dysfunction. Sorry. By the way, look at their famous Harley-Java is 1000 times better and you're talking about computers ... wassat
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 30 May 2016 01: 33
      0
      Quote: Putin
      You do not oblige their poor 10-bit and 250 will cause diarrhea and intestinal dysfunction. Sorry. By the way, look at their famous Harley-Java is 1000 times better and you're talking about computers ...


      Java-Java, here IZh 5th will be more serious, without a stroller, yes, in Siberia.
  11. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 26 May 2016 17: 43
    0
    If only during the modernization of viruses would not be picked up, otherwise it will be sadness.
    1. Putinets
      Putinets 26 May 2016 17: 47
      +1
      viruses would not pick up

      And what do you think, why did you introduce some sanctions against Kaspersky. Although maybe a fake?
  12. soroKING
    soroKING 26 May 2016 17: 45
    0
    Quote: kostiknet
    Americans have all the money to advertise their army ... In films and toys, their equipment is beyond science fiction !!! But on a natural upgrade was not enough ... repeat

    the upgrade is written with the letter "X" hi
  13. Yak28
    Yak28 26 May 2016 17: 46
    +1
    Another delusional article from the series in America is all bad, but we have everything good. laughing
    1. Putinets
      Putinets 26 May 2016 17: 52
      0
      Another delusional article from the series in America is all bad, but we have everything good.

      Dear ... most likely a troll. Above is a link to the material. Did you bother to read it? Or you, like in the "Abrams" the best tank of our time, I see nothing, I hear nothing? am
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 26 May 2016 18: 13
        0
        Maybe they’ve specially thrown off the disu.
    2. kugelblitz
      kugelblitz 26 May 2016 18: 00
      0
      A normal article says that they scored a bolt on their shield. Like drinking in the workplace and stuff. They have a missile defense in the head and a Penguin for the prodigies.
    3. reservist
      reservist 26 May 2016 18: 53
      0
      really like nonsense ... but read for yourself

      From an IBM Series / 1 and floppy drives to COBOL and Assembly languages, old federal systems never die
      ...
      Department of the Treasury
      System: Individual Master File
      Age: ~ 56
      ...
      System: Business Master File
      Age: ~ 56
      ...
      System: Strategic Automated Command and Control System
      Age: 53
      ...
      Department of Veterans Affairs
      System: Personnel and Accounting Integrated Data
      Age: 53
      ...
      Department of Veterans Affairs
      System: Benefits Delivery Network
      Age: 51
      ...
      Department of Justice
      System: Sentry
      Age: 35
      ...
      Social security administration
      System: Title II Systems
      Age: 31
      ...

      www.networkworld.com/article/3075358/computers/not-dead-yet-7-of-the-oldest-fede

      ral-it-systems-still-wheezing-away.html
    4. reservist
      reservist 26 May 2016 19: 14
      +2
      Quote: Yak28
      ... America has everything bad, but we have everything good

      Is it said bad?
      imho, old hardware doesn't mean "bad" if it works flawlessly and matches the tasks it should solve ...
      you can, of course, be in a state of permanent upgrad, constantly catching errors in the new system, but it seems that not everyone is happy with this ...

      Kalashnikov assault rifle seems adopted in 1949?
      try to remember how many operating systems MicroSoft has already riveted since 1975, I was able to recall 21 (and I don't even want to think about Intel's processors ...), it turns out about every two years a software change, and now let's imagine an alternative reality, in which every two years in the troops change the model of the machine ...
  14. Sergey333
    Sergey333 26 May 2016 17: 48
    +3
    I like the picture, just super. The authors of these scribbles seem to consider readers full of cre ** us and glue any crap in the illustration - and so come down. They do not want to spend time at all in order to find a picture more adequate to the text of the article. I sorted this crap 27 years ago into parts as morally obsolete (I remember when I was a schoolboy). wassat
    1. reservist
      reservist 26 May 2016 19: 29
      0
      Quote: Sergey333
      find a picture more appropriate to the text of the article

      well, this is how it looks "as a whole, assembled" ...
      and then who will be interested in it?
      1. Sergey333
        Sergey333 26 May 2016 20: 25
        +1
        I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!! Pind ** s cannot have this old technology, rather 10 years ago. In 1995, even at KSU we already had servers on a 386 processor — good machines, and at the beginning of 1996 we bought a patia of pentiums, so we envied those who were given a diploma to write on them. So lie, but do not lie and do not show a photo of a computer of the 80s.
        1. reservist
          reservist 27 May 2016 11: 17
          0
          and where did I lie?

          this complex has nothing to do with Intel's machines and compare it with 386s and other Pentiums ... well, it's like comparing a motorcycle to a minibus ...

          The IBM Series / 1 was made in 1976, i.e. this is really the same "computer from the 80s"
          in the photo in the title of the article - "only" Display Station 4979 for this computer
          don't believe read for yourself about the equipment - www.dvq.com/ads/IBMSeries1.pdf

          and here is another little article on this topic:
          www.networkworld.com/article/3075358/computers/not-dead-yet-7-of-the-oldest-fede
          ral-it-systems-still-wheezing-away.html

          and another photo from Museum für Kommunikation in Heusenstamm, Germany
  15. Dr. Sorge
    Dr. Sorge 26 May 2016 17: 52
    +5
    To wind up some Chubais-nano-Skolkovo machine as "friendly help" to the Piindos. Then you can sleep peacefully.
    1. Putinets
      Putinets 26 May 2016 17: 55
      +1
      Quote: Dr. Sorge
      To wind up some Chubais-nano-Skolkovo machine as "friendly help" to the Piindos.

      Here is a super offer. And even better than the Redhead and all of it .... let's say ..... the environment
  16. dobrik10
    dobrik10 26 May 2016 17: 55
    0
    Or maybe it's not worth changing? Once a year, a scandal precisely emerges with stoned or drunk representatives of this segment of the armed forces of mattress.
  17. soroKING
    soroKING 26 May 2016 17: 56
    0
    Quote: Yak28
    Another delusional article from the series in America is all bad, but we have everything good. laughing

    accounts touch systems abacus ... handmade good
  18. semuil
    semuil 26 May 2016 17: 59
    +4
    Maybe you don’t have to touch anything, otherwise the wires will get messed up, even if something starts.
    1. reservist
      reservist 26 May 2016 18: 16
      +4
      Quote: semuil
      Maybe you don’t have to touch anything, otherwise the wires will get messed up, even if something starts.

      +1
  19. Antiprogressor
    Antiprogressor 26 May 2016 18: 06
    +7
    Absolutely the right path goes where reliability is needed. We began to install consumer goods in space - billions of losses fell in.
    Eight-, sixteen-, thirty-two-arresters of industrial performance work perfectly in incredible conditions, solving simple problems on which the life of millions depends. And supercomputers next decide another. I remember that on a calculator with several stacked memory cells, you could beat the landing on the moon. And Keldysh from the Queen carried a small pocket slide rule. And on the NL-10, all elements of the flight were perfectly quickly and reliably counted.
    Right now, 50 percent of liner crashes due to computers that have turned from auxiliary workers into commanders.
    So the world is obliged, including the old, but proven machines. IBM in those days was the best in the world.
    1. Putinets
      Putinets 26 May 2016 18: 16
      -1
      Quote: Antiprogressor
      Keldysh from the Queen carried a small pocket slide rule. And on the NL-10, all elements of the flight were perfectly quickly and reliably counted.

      But Adam and Eve did not count at all. And by the way about the line. Do you even understand this nonsense? Why do we need a slide rule? Have you ever used it? And what does it have to do with modern flights? I suggest you consider your expenses on it.
      And by the way, IBM is now the best in the country and when talking with the director of a garden cooperative. Weight suitable
      1. reservist
        reservist 26 May 2016 18: 21
        +3
        Quote: Putin
        And by the way about the line ... I suggest that you consider your expenses on it

        But is it necessary to take the logarithms when calculating the costs?
        1. Putinets
          Putinets 26 May 2016 18: 25
          +1
          Quote: reservist
          But is it necessary to take the logarithms when calculating the costs?

          With my wife, it’s better not to logarithms, but to go directly to the integrals
        2. andr327
          andr327 26 May 2016 21: 35
          0
          So she took not only logarithms, but different coefficients, percentages, and in skillful hands both the sum and the difference can be calculated, only better on a two-way with two engines.
      2. andr327
        andr327 26 May 2016 21: 26
        +5
        Do not touch the slide rule! A very good tool! by the way, it has the highest calculation speed, only input and reading are somewhat difficult. True to her and need a head!
        1. faridg7
          faridg7 27 May 2016 06: 25
          0
          That's right, the speed is incredible, only around the people were stunned with calculators eyes pounding
  20. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 26 May 2016 18: 11
    +2
    The rich have their quirks, what can I say. But after all, everything worked, so let it continue to work, why bother an established and proven system? Again, the staff must be retrained, and this is a lot of money. (Hurray! "Cut!") Sometimes you read about some people and think: "Yeah, a stork dropped you on the way!"
    "The US Treasury Department uses a program to authorize taxpayer credentials, written in 1950's»
    How's that? Well, okay, we, "bast soup, slurp soup", from big nesting dolls together with bears we drink vodka and in a quilted jacket and a hat with earflaps on a "labobike" ... But this one, "titular nation"? NO COMMENTS!
    1. reservist
      reservist 26 May 2016 18: 24
      +1
      Quote: LÄRZ
      The rich have their own quirks, what can I say. But after all, everything worked, and let it continue to work, why slow down the established and tested system? Again, staff need to be retrained, and this is considerable and considerable money.

      so maybe because of the staff all the fuss and started ...
      probably the last of those who understood how their system was made and works for them, was finally planning to retire ...
  21. Nix1986
    Nix1986 26 May 2016 18: 31
    0
    Now in the trend of neural networks, dr.watson from ibm has already begun to replace primary care physicians and one law office also bought it for use as a super consultant (I saw the news, I can’t remember the name of the office). If you fasten it to control the US yao, then the skynet and the doomsday immediately pops up in your head laughing
  22. masiya
    masiya 26 May 2016 18: 32
    0
    I can offer amers a batch of logarithmic rulers, the USSR of the 50s in perfect condition for inexpensively 100 pcs. this is a floppy disk I forgot about fifteen years ago ... it’s some kind of horror - what are they praising ... ???
    1. reservist
      reservist 26 May 2016 18: 42
      +2
      Quote: masiya
      what is this floppy disk I forgot about fifteen years ago ...

      a floppy disk, like a floppy disk ...
      in the next fifteen years, probably no one will remember about the current flash drives either ...
    2. faridg7
      faridg7 27 May 2016 06: 27
      0
      Rulers will not work, brains must be attached to them, without them a ruler = a tube from a gramophone.
    3. faridg7
      faridg7 27 May 2016 06: 27
      +1
      Rulers will not work, brains must be attached to them, without them a ruler = a tube from a gramophone.
  23. valent45
    valent45 26 May 2016 18: 35
    +1
    Guys! I still have wooden laptop accounts! As a gift I can provide
    or give, to the military department, a certain nuclear power!
    1. masiya
      masiya 26 May 2016 18: 44
      +1
      less than 100000 bucks do not ask, otherwise they will not understand ...
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 27 May 2016 00: 11
        0
        Quote: masiya
        less than 100000 bucks do not ask, otherwise they will not understand ...

        Demand more, otherwise they will not agree, according to the method:
        A well-known airline hires a pilot. This place is claimed by German, Englishman and Russian.
        The director of the company asks the German:
        ≈ Have you been flying for a long time?
        ≈ Three years.
        ≈ And how much would you like to receive?
        ≈ Three thousand. A thousand ≈ to me, a thousand ≈ to the wife, a thousand ≈ for insurance.
        He asks the Englishman:
        ≈ Have you been flying for a long time?
        ≈ Six years.
        ≈ And how much would you like to receive?
        ≈ Six thousand. Two ≈ to me, Two ≈ to the wife, Two ≈ to the insurance.
        He asks the Russian:
        ≈ Have you been flying for a long time?
        ≈ God forbid, I don’t really know how to fly, and I’m afraid of heights. And I want to receive nine thousand.
        ≈?!
        ≈ Well then: three ≈ to me, three ≈ to you ...
        The director of the airline was completely stunned:
        ≈ Stop, and who will fly?
        ≈ Like anyone ≈ German, but he agrees for three!
  24. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 26 May 2016 19: 02
    +1
    Let them upgrade, otherwise they will get into the Pentagon computers and sundry, then look, as if the war had not started by mistake.
    They are modernizing the control system, and then maybe the turn comes to weapons.
    There are a lot of generals in the Pentagon and everyone wants to live beautifully, they cannot report for 1999 of the year for 8.5 trillion bucks, and this is 85 000 tons of paper.

    1 million bucks = 10 kg (banknotes of 100 $)
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 26 May 2016 20: 19
      0
      Quote: Corsair5912
      this is 85 tons of paper.

      Here it is sho Mikhalych! So it they polish on cellulose breed! White Vezha for bucks let ...... shvaaah.
  25. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 26 May 2016 19: 09
    +2
    With such military budgets and not upgraded? Yes, even a little hard to believe. The reason is not in money and not in stupidity.
    The need has disappeared! Bet on a global blow and other toys.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 26 May 2016 20: 03
      0
      The war party in the Senate is working off its debts to the military-industrial complex. It is necessary to take advantage of the current moment - "for someone the war, but for someone, dear mother!
  26. cayman gene
    cayman gene 26 May 2016 20: 41
    +2
    Still, it’s a pity that there are no more cabmen in Moscow,
    Although one would not be from now on, but a pity. crying
  27. akims
    akims 26 May 2016 21: 20
    0
    I’ve been looking for an eight-inch for two years at a museum. Barely got one.
    And they still have nuclear forces, control systems and headquarters on such information. Here:
    http://hitech.vesti.ru/news/view/id/9380
  28. Obolensky
    Obolensky 26 May 2016 22: 11
    +2
    If you choose between reliability and progress. In this regard, I choose reliability. The systems were complex, not written for idiots. And people were different. You don’t need to press the mouse with the mouse and press the keys without considering the consequences.

    But still, modernization is still necessary. Progress. Nowhere without it. The main thing is that in reliability, the new systems are not inferior to the old ones. And of course - people. Full automation in military affairs, I still consider evil.
  29. opus
    opus 26 May 2016 23: 21
    +4
    Quote: Author
    until now, it uses legacy IBM Series / 1 computers from the 70s to transmit commands

    strange.

    In SACCS since 1983 IBM AN / FSQ-31 SAC Data Processing System based on IBM 4020 Military Computer tripe (BM 729-V, PH 2000 Disk File, 26 MB IBM 1401, IBM 1402 Card Reader / Punch, IBM 1403 Line Printer, 2 IBM 729-V Tape Drives 2 IBM Selectric Typewriters, (I / O Typewriters)


    and since 1950 has been: IBM 473L Command and Control System

    Alternative history?
    Well, at least not 601 change


  30. MolGro
    MolGro 27 May 2016 05: 14
    +1
    couple it scares me!
    the old system is reliable, alcoholics and drug addicts cannot figure out how to launch it.
    and then there will be something dull from maykrasoft and simple for morons.
  31. Nitarius
    Nitarius 27 May 2016 05: 39
    0
    And they poke us that we have Backward .. while They ALL ALL THE OLD BIG DOG!
  32. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 27 May 2016 12: 07
    0
    Colleagues read about programming and loading data into the Mig-29 and Su-27 digital computer.