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The serial version of the aircraft, which will replace the An-2, should appear in the Russian Federation in 2017 g

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Specialists of the Siberian NIA them. Chaplygin will present the serial version of the aircraft, which will replace the legendary "Kukuruznik", in 2017 g, reports TASS The message of the leading engineer of the enterprise Sergey Ivantsov.




“We expect that we will approach the serial version by 2017 year. At the end of this year, we have to provide a demonstrator with a composite fuselage ",
said Ivantsov.

He recalled that "last year, SibNIA experts assembled an experimental copy of the aircraft, in which they tested new technologies, including elements made of composite materials."

“The car showed itself well and is now being improved to the serial version. A prototype of an entirely new aircraft is being manufactured, which we will already introduce to replace the An-2, ”said a leading engineer.

Earlier, the deputy director of SibNIA, Grigory Anyukhin, told the agency: “The characteristics of the new aircraft far exceed the capabilities of An-2. In particular, it can carry twice as much cargo - up to three tons. The cruising speed (up to 350 km per hour) and the flight range (up to 3,5 thousand km) increase twice. In this case, the aircraft retains the traditional advantages of An-2, for example, the ability to take off and land from a short runway. ”
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  1. RUSOIVAN
    RUSOIVAN 26 May 2016 15: 53
    +38
    The New Corncob!)))
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 26 May 2016 16: 49
      +24
      Legend really needs to retire, let's hope that the granddaughter is justified trust! And the plane is beautiful! As the pilots say, a beautiful airplane flies beautifully! So good luck!
    2. yehat
      yehat 26 May 2016 17: 02
      +46
      I have 2 questions on the plane:
      1. Will the network of airdromes be restored or will it only fly to VDNH?
      2. The glazing of the cabin looks simply archaic. Is it really impossible to do better?
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. Basarev
        Basarev 26 May 2016 17: 34
        +1
        Again the obsolete biplane in World War I. And again, the pulling screw, which was still obsolete in the Korean War. I am deeply convinced that a modern aircraft of this class must necessarily be a turboprop monoplane with a pushing propeller. And the wing of the reverse sweep, who gives the aircraft superpowers at low speeds - just the working range of such an aircraft.
        1. yehat
          yehat 26 May 2016 17: 38
          +41
          and here I do not agree! the pushing screw is certainly more efficient, but the handling and stability at low altitudes and speeds with the pulling screw is better, and there are less problems with cooling. You do not need an economical fighter, the pulling screw is quite suitable.
          1. crambol
            crambol 26 May 2016 20: 29
            +22
            Besides:
            1 - you will need a front landing gear, which will increase weight
            2- for a general-purpose machine, the propeller in w ... is extremely dangerous on the ground.
            3- controllability worsens, because tail feathering will decrease.
            4 - And pull the shaft through the whole plane, or what?

            1. pamero
              pamero 27 May 2016 07: 43
              +1
              aerocobra times 2 world.? what for? pulling better agree.
        2. K-50
          K-50 26 May 2016 18: 59
          +16
          Quote: Basarev
          And again, the pulling screw, which was still obsolete in the Korean War.

          Well, antigravings have not yet been invented. request
        3. AID.S
          AID.S 26 May 2016 19: 57
          +12
          So it’s not the Su-47 that will be upgraded, but specifically the An-2! ​​And you suggest developing a new aircraft!
          1. Serg koma
            Serg koma 27 May 2016 07: 27
            +18
            An-3 aircraft is a further development and modification of the well-known An-2 aircraft, which has been in operation in many countries for more than 50 years.
            The modification is carried out by re-equipment of An-2 aircraft taken out of service with a remaining resource of at least 50%. Re-equipment of the An-2 aircraft into the An-3 aircraft is carried out at PO "Polet" in the city of Omsk, Russian Federation.

            AN-3 under its own power flew to Antarctica back in 2005 !!! But where is he now?
            Why has not started mass production ???
            This type of aircraft is simply necessary for such a huge country. At one time he lived in a village near Khabarovsk, AN-2 performed four flights a day to the regional center - I don't remember the "empty" flights (although there probably were), the ticket price was penny ... Now MI-8 flies to the village, only two flights a week (the ticket price is "heavenly") in the absence of river navigation, the "Zarya" runs along the river, six hours one way.
            AN-2 - was (for the time being, and in some places there is) a real air cab, the monument "maize" deserved during his lifetime.
            So NEEDED, I really need such a plane, but not in 2017, but just yesterday!!!
            Omsk PO "Polet" cuts production plan for An-3 aircraft for 2001
            According to Vladimir Udalov, deputy general director of Omsk PO Polet, in 2000 4 An-3 aircraft were delivered to customers from Norilsk and Evenkia instead of the planned delivery of 19 such aircraft. The decrease in the planned sale of aircraft is due to the late prepayment of work by customers and their overall low solvency. It is for this reason that the original plan to convert 2001 An-50 aircraft into An-2 aircraft in 3 was reduced to 30 aircraft.
            1. Orionvit
              Orionvit 27 May 2016 22: 26
              +4
              The epic with AN-3 has been dragging on for more than thirty years. The project was finally closed in the mid-2000s. On this occasion, the VK1500 engine (a smaller version of the VK2500 helicopter), which was created specifically for this project, was buried at Motor Sich. It is noteworthy that if you take a closer look at the photograph, then the engine on the AN-3 is back to front, that is, the air intakes at the rear of the nacelle under the cockpit, and the exhaust is in front, near the propeller itself. This is the peculiarity of the helicopter engine with which the aircraft was equipped. I don’t know what kind of engine they are going to mold now, probably another imported one.
              1. quolta
                quolta 29 May 2016 00: 25
                0
                Well, if you look at the streamlined nose, the dviglo will probably be liquid cooling, but on the AN-2 there was air, I think that air cooling is easier to use
            2. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 29 May 2016 09: 01
              +1
              Yes, just out of prYntsyp, Russia needs the world's largest passenger biplane and the most durable aircraft in the world history of aviation, the most durable in operation and production. One of the most durable in service was the "Ju-52", which was operated the longest in Spain, due to the absence of another. "Douglas" aka "Li-2", but by the time of release of the An-2 surpassed all.
        4. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 27 May 2016 05: 43
          +14
          Quote: Basarev
          Again the obsolete biplane in World War I. And again, the pulling screw, which was still obsolete in the Korean War. I am deeply convinced that a modern aircraft of this class must necessarily be a turboprop monoplane with a pushing propeller. And the wing of the reverse sweep, who gives the aircraft superpowers at low speeds - just the working range of such an aircraft.

          You are straight, you are drawing some kind of propeller-driven fighter ... This is the workhorse (Pony) of the near passenger and agricultural aviation. Simplicity, vitality, unpretentiousness and cheapness, that's what is required of him. And massiveness. That's all ... We urgently need to "shamanize" unpaved strips, and give the country 1,5-2 thousand of these planes, nothing else is required. And to provide services to large farms, as needed. And - then they survived, to poison the locusts, there is nothing ... But we are substituting import in the field of cx products. We need a lot, quickly, cheaply, but at the same time with high quality. So, that excesses here too, there is nothing.
          1. Spitfire
            Spitfire 27 May 2016 15: 46
            0
            Quote: Observer 33
            Quote: Basarev
            Again the obsolete biplane in World War I. And again, the pulling screw, which was still obsolete in the Korean War. I am deeply convinced that a modern aircraft of this class must necessarily be a turboprop monoplane with a pushing propeller. And the wing of the reverse sweep, who gives the aircraft superpowers at low speeds - just the working range of such an aircraft.

            You are straight, you are drawing some kind of propeller-driven fighter ... This is the workhorse (Pony) of the near passenger and agricultural aviation. Simplicity, vitality, unpretentiousness and cheapness, that's what is required of him. And massiveness. That's all ... We urgently need to "shamanize" unpaved strips, and give the country 1,5-2 thousand of these planes, nothing else is required. And to provide services to large farms, as needed. And - then they survived, to poison the locusts, there is nothing ... But we are substituting import in the field of cx products. We need a lot, quickly, cheaply, but at the same time with high quality. So, that excesses here too, there is nothing.


            Probably something like M-15 ;-)
          2. Pilot
            Pilot 27 May 2016 20: 28
            +2
            Quote: Observer 33
            You’re straight, you’re drawing some kind of screw fighter

            AAn2, a good plane. Itself flies even without fuel, sometimes. Sits down where he wants, sometimes, even on the crowns of trees. Ukrainians have nothing to do with this self-flight. Soviet product.
        5. oblako
          oblako 27 May 2016 06: 28
          +15
          Great comment and absolutely not wealthy. Who managed to deeply convince Basarev’s colleague that the pulling screw is out of date, admit !!!)) A highly mechanized wing with slats and flaps under blowing conditions with the pulling screw can significantly improve the take-off and landing characteristics of the appat. The screw located in the tail does not. He has wings with winglets, which reduces inductive and eddy resistance, increases efficiency and increases speed. The wing load is small, with a large area and relative compactness of the biplane scheme. TR engine, 5-blade propeller. Of course, they could make the retractable chassis or cover them with fairings, but this is the extra weight and price of the product, it should be considered here, but speeds of about 350 km / h are already required, and even at ranges up to 3500 km. Composite fuselage - respect and respect. This is a high-tech machine. You can also find fault with the flashlight, in terms of aerodynamics, but it’s too practical ... you can see everything right under the chassis ...
        6. otter.1
          otter.1 27 May 2016 14: 46
          +3
          Do you at least realize what the price will be for such a scheme, ask the Sukhoi Design Bureau what the hell is such an airplane with an exorbitant price on domestic lines. I adore such people, the whole (airplane) world does not think, but He thinks, well, apparently such a scheme is not justified, people count money, but you can continue to count schemes "on the table".
        7. BAI
          BAI 27 May 2016 15: 01
          +2
          The whole world has long been convinced of the futility of reverse sweep. "Sukhoi" did not believe - well, where is his "Black Eagle" with a bunch of spent billions?
          1. yehat
            yehat 29 May 2016 02: 57
            +1
            you don’t even know why reverse sweep is needed
            its main advantage is the absence of flow disruption, which allows you to confidently maneuver in extreme conditions, and minus the complexity of manufacturing the wing and its smaller resource. For a strike aircraft, this is an invaluable quality, but with the development of a controlled thrust vector, they got the same plus a bunch of other advantages. Therefore, Sukhoi abandoned the reverse sweep in favor of a more efficient technology.
            I emphasize - Sukhoi created a fully functional machine and the reason for its absence is not this.
        8. BAI
          BAI 27 May 2016 15: 01
          +1
          The whole world has long been convinced of the futility of reverse sweep. "Sukhoi" did not believe - well, where is his "Black Eagle" with a bunch of spent billions?
        9. james
          james 27 May 2016 18: 16
          0
          Well, design and prove that you are right, and so it’s all in order to seem smart
        10. Orionvit
          Orionvit 27 May 2016 22: 38
          +1
          The layout of the AN-2 and its unsurpassed operational and flight characteristics are proven by time. All pilots who have ever flown an AN-2 will unanimously say that the plane is magnificent. The question is only about replacing a really outdated reciprocating motor (1936 model) with a modern, more powerful and economical turbo screw. Not even instead of duralumin, in some places they will add nowadays trendy composites.
        11. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 28 May 2016 09: 23
          0
          Is this biplane not a turboprop? A powerful motor and a short run from a dirt or snow strip!
        12. Wasiliy1985
          Wasiliy1985 28 May 2016 19: 31
          0
          Well then look at the link http://www.airwar.ru/enc/la/at300.html
          And further development of this concept.
          Much will surprise you: the lack of a pushing screw and a straight wing instead of the opposite in sweep, and the coefficient of weight return and versatility ..
          Suddenly it turns out that Oleg Antonov, as a designer, will be smarter than a dumb-headed person under the nickname "Basarev".
          Sit and don’t shine, half-engineer is half-educated ..
        13. Pitot
          Pitot 29 May 2016 05: 09
          0
          I agree with you. To the cons .... attention is not worth paying. Pseudo-patriots in their places are not asleep.
        14. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 29 May 2016 08: 49
          0
          Quote: Basarev
          Again obsolete back in World War I

          car: four wheels and a motor with gearbox. It would be necessary to come up with something new ... the fifth wheel for example! Or the engine in the trailer, to free up space in the cabin!
        15. Hort
          Hort 30 May 2016 11: 22
          0
          An-2 glider is one of the most successful gliders in the world. If the engine fails, he can safely plan up to 10 km.
          The reverse sweep wing is beautiful and futuristic, but the problem with shaking was not solved.

          By the way, the Chaplygintsy have a version of the fuel assembly and in the form of a monoplane
      3. Kent0001
        Kent0001 26 May 2016 17: 47
        +28
        Specific glazing is its huge plus, if you saw it at work, you will understand, if not, then continue in the same vein, about archaism ....
      4. jovanni
        jovanni 26 May 2016 18: 15
        -42%
        The same doubts ... Especially looking at the cabin. If they save on the design of the cabin, on what is visible to the naked eye, and try to give it to us as a technological breakthrough, what can we say about other qualities? Well, those who are not visible just like that? It smacks of another divorce ... Although I want to hope for the opposite ...
        1. Serg koma
          Serg koma 27 May 2016 07: 44
          +6
          The functionality of this type of lantern for this type of aircraft far exceeds the need for "slicking" for the sake of aerodynamics. Look at the "professions" of AN-2, and everything will fall into place in the dispute about "economy" belay on the design of the cabin (lantern).
          Thanks to SUCH a lamp, you can even see your tail without the help of "rear-view" mirrors laughing
          И why the "critics" are silent about the co-pilot, but also "anachronism" in modern avionics, robotization, computerization, etc.
        2. Dora2014
          Dora2014 27 May 2016 21: 24
          +2
          Looks like a land marshal ... Coment is a shame !!!
      5. almost demobil
        almost demobil 26 May 2016 18: 22
        +34
        Quote: yehat
        The glazing of the cabin looks simply archaic. Is it really impossible to do better?

        The aircraft will fly at low altitudes, i.e. according to PVP (visual flight rules), such a flashlight allows you to visually check the route with the underlying surface without any problems without resorting to rolls. If you complain about the dense binding ... I think for such an airplane an unbinding lamp will be too bold.
        By the way was in the cockpit of the An-2 in flight, an awesome review. good
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 26 May 2016 19: 05
          +24
          Such RF needs thousands, if not tens of thousands. Here it was necessary to start reviving civil aviation from him - a foreign one should be considered a minimum here. hi
          1. Aljavad
            Aljavad 27 May 2016 01: 39
            +2
            Kasym KZ Yesterday, 19:05 ↑
            Such RF needs thousands, if not tens of thousands. Here it was necessary to start reviving civil aviation from him - a foreign one should be considered a minimum here.


            In general - I agree. And whose engine?
          2. Jack-b
            Jack-b 27 May 2016 12: 20
            0
            Quote: Kasym
            foreign here must be assumed a minimum
            Quote: Aljavad
            In general - I agree. And whose engine?
            Very timely question. Judging by the developer's site
            TRE-331-12 manufactured by Honeywell (USA)
            also screw
            manufactured by Hartzell Propeller Inc. (USA);
            avionics
            Garmin (USA);
            The remaining list of modernization:
            - Installation of an autonomous diesel generator;
            - Installation of engine preheater and interior heater;
            - installation of an anti-icing system for the engine and screw;
            - manufacturing and installation of hoods from composite materials;
            - hauling the salon at the request of the client.
            Apparently from the composites they decided not only to make the hood but also the entire fuselage.
            Information on modernization has been hanging for a long time, even before the sanctions began. Maybe since then it has changed in terms of import substitution. But I doubt it. Let them launch at least what’s in the series for now. And then they will replace it slowly.
        2. UREC
          UREC 26 May 2016 21: 18
          +7
          My first flight in life - on An -2! Not convey the feeling of a 7 year old kid from that 45 minute flight. Compared to current Boeing and Airbus flights, it’s like a horse ride against a bus tour!
      6. Lens
        Lens 26 May 2016 19: 35
        +30
        I will not say about airfields - this is the third thing, but with the cockpit, my dear, you are absolutely wrong! Do you think they did it out of ignorance? Yes, any An-2 pilot will tell you that you can look from this "veranda" under your belly! Especially in the production of agricultural work! It was called initially - CX-1. "Agricultural" is the first!
      7. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 26 May 2016 22: 27
        +2
        Quote: yehat
        The glazing of the cabin looks simply archaic. Is it really impossible to do better?

        The glazing and fuselage are simply copied from the An-2 / An-3.
      8. L10n77
        L10n77 26 May 2016 23: 06
        +3
        So the whole fuselage is taken from the An-3 (version of the An-2 with a theater), changed the wing and most likely avionics, probably set the autopilot.
        1. Letnab
          Letnab 27 May 2016 04: 52
          +5
          Fesyulyazh from AN-2, only the engine was changed. In the new model, as I understand it, there will be a new fezulage, but not from An-3 ..
          We fly through the forest fires on TVS-2AM, the car is gorgeous.
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      9. Victorio
        Victorio 27 May 2016 10: 03
        +1
        Quote: yehat
        I have 2 questions on the plane:
        1. Will the network of airdromes be restored or will it only fly to VDNH?
        2. The glazing of the cabin looks simply archaic. Is it really impossible to do better?

        ====
        segment glazing here is just more appropriate
      10. Alekseev
        Alekseev 27 May 2016 12: 41
        +1
        [quote = yehat] I have 2 questions on the plane:
        1. To restore the airfield network for such aircraft is not a super task. In order not to bother with airfields, he has two wings, the upper and the lower. laughing
        2% is possible. If, God forbid, there will be a normal series, then there will be glazing.
        There is no longer any glazing at all. what, here we need a modern reliable and economical theater of operations, finances are needed, a policy for the formation of effective demand.
      11. tornada61
        tornada61 27 May 2016 21: 14
        -3
        glazing inherited from grandfather by inheritance
      12. Koshak
        Koshak 28 May 2016 19: 11
        0
        Quote: yehat
        I have 2 questions on the plane:
        1. Will the network of airdromes be restored or will it only fly to VDNH?
        2. The glazing of the cabin looks simply archaic. Is it really impossible to do better?

        That’s all garbage. And whose engine? !!!
    3. Maxom75
      Maxom75 26 May 2016 23: 42
      +4
      Yes, for me at least new peas! The main thing is that it meets a number of requirements:
      1) Functionality (passenger, cargo, specialized (agricultural, fire, search);
      2) Safety (controllability, reliability, maintainability in the field);
      3) Price and cost of ownership (not enough to buy, you also need to maintain);
      4) Comfort (both for the crew and for passengers would not hurt Shumkov better and I apologize for the toilet);
      5) Work in different climatic zones (large country).
      1. sergeschern
        sergeschern 27 May 2016 21: 51
        0
        On the sanitary AN-2 TOILETS WERE.
    4. Platonich
      Platonich 27 May 2016 04: 47
      -4
      How ugly!
    5. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 27 May 2016 08: 44
      +1
      Once upon a time !!!! Hooray finally! good
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 27 May 2016 10: 24
        -4
        So this is just the An-2 with a new engine? And I would like a completely new plane ...
        1. Jack-b
          Jack-b 27 May 2016 12: 26
          +2
          New fuselage, new engine, new propeller, new avionics, new interior. From AN-2 the form only remained.
    6. Baloo
      Baloo 27 May 2016 22: 05
      0
      The New Corncob!)))
      It’s so speculative in vain.

      Moreover, the aircraft retains the traditional advantages of the An-2, for example, the ability to take off and land from a short runway. ”

      In the distant Soviet school childhood, I remembered such an incident: the pilot gazed on the brakes, the tail lifted, after 50 meters the bird came off the ground.

      Designers took into account that the aircraft will have to land on unpaved airfields?
      Opinion of the layman and amateur: increase the diameter of the wheels and increase the distance between them by at least half a meter for greater stability. Are fairings needed? I don’t know, but interchangeable skis for the winter, probably yes. Floats? In the Siberian taiga, there may not always be a strip, mail delivery and how sanitation is needed in many places.
      hi
      1. rudolff
        rudolff 27 May 2016 22: 38
        +1
        "... the pilot gasped on the brakes, the tail rose, after 50 meters the bird got off the ground."
        So you can easily campot, screw into the ground. Still, there is no front nose rack. Although they usually hood up when landing, but also on take-off, if desired, without problems.
      2. Letnab
        Letnab 29 May 2016 10: 36
        0
        It makes no sense to increase anything, that is enough! Speeds are not high, so fairings are not needed, skis have been used before ...
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  2. Altona
    Altona 26 May 2016 15: 55
    -21%
    And what is the airplane itself? Biplane or monoplane?
    1. FID
      FID 26 May 2016 15: 59
      +29
      Have you considered the photo?
      1. jaguar
        jaguar 26 May 2016 16: 18
        +1
        A photo not considered? In the photo in general an-2m. If this is what you call a replacement .... request
        1. FID
          FID 26 May 2016 16: 57
          +9
          Quote: jaguar
          A photo not considered? In the photo in general an-2m. If this is what you call a replacement ....

          In the photo is TVS-2-DT, not An-2M, although the proportions of the fuselage and plumage are the same ...
          Below is about the An-2MS - note that the wings with braces.
          1. demchuk.ig
            demchuk.ig 26 May 2016 17: 34
            0
            Quote: SSI
            Quote: jaguar
            A photo not considered? In the photo in general an-2m. If this is what you call a replacement ....

            In the photo is TVS-2-DT, not An-2M, although the proportions of the fuselage and plumage are the same ...
            Below is about the An-2MS - note that the wings with braces.

            But where is the AN-3 that flew to the North Pole (with a turbojet engine) and couldn’t start the engine there? At least the media called the AN-3.
            1. FID
              FID 26 May 2016 17: 44
              +5
              Quote: demchuk.ig
              But where is the AN-3 that flew to the North Pole (with a turbojet engine) and couldn’t start the engine there? At least the media called the AN-3.

              An-3 is a remotorized An-2 Ukrainian, other modifications are An-2MS, etc. TVS-2D and others and others are domestic developments ...
        2. Aljavad
          Aljavad 27 May 2016 01: 45
          +3
          jaguar (2) RU Yesterday, 16:18 ↑
          A photo not considered? In the photo in general an-2m. If you call it a replacement .... request


          In the photo - technological demonstrator composite wing! With the fuselage from the An-2 and a modern engine (Can this compound be called at least an-2m, at least An-3 (how many were there, different?))

          In the wing, all the raisins!
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 26 May 2016 17: 54
        +6
        Quote: SSI
        Have you considered the photo?



        As far as I understand, you are an aviation specialist here ... This is not irony, but a statement ...

        I turn to the question: whether something has happened to my memory, or really I saw photographs of this sharp-faced biplane before the collapse of the Union, and then they wrote that An-2 would soon become Anom-3 ... But then it followed the collapse, and - that's it ...

        And now - at least in appearance - they are trying to talk about some generally new development ...

        If I'm wrong - correct ... hi

        PS I apologize, read the comments further down below ...
        That is, they are practically close only in appearance ...
        1. Altona
          Altona 26 May 2016 18: 06
          +1
          Quote: weksha50
          I turn to the question: whether something has happened to my memory, or really I saw photographs of this sharp-faced biplane before the collapse of the Union, and then they wrote that An-2 would soon become Anom-3 ... But then it followed the collapse, and - that's it ...

          -----------------------
          Here I am about the same. We have many people look at the pictures for the article and do not delve into the meaning of what is written at all. Payload-3 tons, speed-350km / h. Will this biplane pull such characteristics?
          1. K-50
            K-50 26 May 2016 19: 05
            +3
            Quote: Altona
            Payload-3 tons, speed-350km / h. Will this biplane pull such characteristics?

            And why not?
            If the power of the motor allows?
            As for the biplane scheme, during the Second World War there were I-15 and I-153 fighters, their speed was over 400 km / h.
            With new technologies it is quite possible to repeat. request
            1. Altona
              Altona 26 May 2016 19: 55
              -3
              Quote: K-50
              And why not?
              If the power of the motor allows?
              As for the biplane scheme, during the Second World War there were I-15 and I-153 fighters, their speed was over 400 km / h.

              -------------------
              There was, but there was no cargo of 3 tons. And the landing gear of many fighters was removed, and the cockpit canopy was slicker. And in general, read the article, not see the pictures. The article talks about a "brand new plane", not a carbon fiber customization of the old one.
              1. Aljavad
                Aljavad 27 May 2016 01: 52
                +1
                Altona (2) RU Yesterday, 19:55 ↑
                Quote: K-50
                And why not?
                If the power of the motor allows?
                As for the biplane scheme, during the Second World War there were I-15 and I-153 fighters, their speed was over 400 km / h.
                -------------------
                There was, but there was no cargo of 3 tons. And the landing gear of many fighters was removed, and the cockpit canopy was slicker. And in general, read the article, not see the pictures. The article talks about a "brand new plane", not a carbon fiber customization of the old one.


                And there were biplane bombers. The carrying capacity and the number of wings are not related.

                And you will see a "completely new plane" in 2017. So far - a completely new wing. "And in general, read the article."
            2. Altona
              Altona 26 May 2016 22: 51
              -2
              Quote: K-50

              And why not?
              If the power of the motor allows?

              --------------------
              Therefore, no. Because the "prototype brand new aircraft is still under construction. "Read the article again. Or just watch comics? Photos and clips?"
          2. Serg koma
            Serg koma 27 May 2016 08: 27
            0
            Quote: Altona
            We have many people look at the pictures for the article and do not understand the meaning of what was written at all. Payload-3 tons, speed-350km / h. Will this biplane pull such characteristics?

            We look at the data of competitors:
            Air Tractor AT-802
            Cessna 208B Grand Caravan EX
            We look at the "factory" comparison of the AN-3 (Light multipurpose aircraft here http://www.aviaport.ru/directory/aviation/an3/

            And yet, if you have doubts about the ADVERTISED / STATED characteristics, everything can be counted, physics and mathematics to help laughing
            Also, do not forget, in pursuit of speed, about the "stall" speed (AN-2 60 km / h), three tons and 350 km / h for the AN-2 is fantastic, but here another wing + engine (from the word MOVE), probably a different construct and fuselage stiffness (under heavy loads) - we'll see. drinks
        2. almost demobil
          almost demobil 26 May 2016 18: 07
          +5
          Quote: weksha50
          either something happened to my memory, or I really saw photographs of this sharp-faced biplane before the collapse of the Union, and then they wrote that the An-2 would soon become Anom-3.

          You are absolutely right, I personally saw about 97-98 at an exhibition in Omsk, the territory of PO "Flight". I don’t remember exactly, but in my opinion there was even a demonstration flight. They called it An-3T, shouted that it would replace the An-2 ... Well, it still does. And I think an airplane is necessary for communication between regional centers with unpaved runways, there are a lot of such in Siberia, especially in the north.
          1. Aljavad
            Aljavad 27 May 2016 01: 58
            0
            almost demobil (5) RU Yesterday, 18:07 ↑
            Quote: weksha50
            either something happened to my memory, or I really saw photographs of this sharp-faced biplane before the collapse of the Union, and then they wrote that the An-2 would soon become Anom-3.
            You are absolutely right, I personally saw about 97-98 at an exhibition in Omsk, the territory of PO "Flight". I don’t remember exactly, but in my opinion there was even a demonstration flight. They called it An-3T, shouted that it would replace the An-2 ... Well, it still does. And I think an airplane is necessary for communication between regional centers with unpaved runways, there are a lot of such in Siberia, especially in the north.


            Attempts to modernize the An-2 began even Antonov himself in the years of development of virgin lands as An-2M. Later, when the Polish jet biplane M-15 Belfegor did not justify itself, attempts to change into a new engine were called An-3. There have been more than two attempts. After the collapse of the Union, Omsk built a small series and Kiev (Antonov ANTC).
        3. crambol
          crambol 26 May 2016 20: 35
          0
          Regarding AN-3, look at Shavrov’s two-volume, it seems AN-3 is there.
      3. Altona
        Altona 26 May 2016 17: 57
        -11%
        Quote: SSI
        Have you considered the photo?

        -------------------
        And you in this garbage, which in the photo, will develop 350 km / h? Yes, even with 3 tons?
      4. Altona
        Altona 26 May 2016 22: 49
        +1
        Quote: SSI
        Have you considered the photo?

        -------------------
        Don't write garbage. The article says something completely different. Can you read that? "A completely new prototype of the aircraft is just under construction", the speed is 350 km / h and the g / n is 3 tons. Or does sclerosis occur in the process of reading? Than minusarit, answer sensibly to the question, and do not fidget with snot over the photo. "Have you seen the photo?" The photo is nonsense and not "a completely new prototype that is still under construction."
      5. Jack-b
        Jack-b 27 May 2016 12: 48
        +2
        Quote: SSI
        Have you considered the photo?

        The whole ficus is that in the photo one of the options. Developers tested including and a variant with a monoplane.
        1. Jack-b
          Jack-b 27 May 2016 13: 18
          +2
          Here, by the way, there is a video with a monoplane
    2. quote
      quote 26 May 2016 15: 59
      +6
      Quote: Altona
      And what is the airplane itself? Biplane or monoplane?

      Well, do not read the article, but look at the photo!
      1. poquello
        poquello 26 May 2016 16: 07
        +4
        Quote: devis
        Quote: Altona
        And what is the airplane itself? Biplane or monoplane?

        Well, do not read the article, but look at the photo!

        with those other habits to sculpt pictures, yes yes, only on pictures
      2. Altona
        Altona 26 May 2016 17: 51
        +1
        Quote: devis
        Well, do not read the article, but look at the photo!

        ---------------------
        Was the "replacement" presented in the photo? I thought we were talking about something completely new.
        “The machine has proven itself well and is now improving to the serial version. Now a prototype is being made brand new aircraft, which we will present to replace the An-2, ”said the lead engineer.- a quote from the article. So "brand new" or "restyled" from a composite?
      3. Altona
        Altona 26 May 2016 22: 52
        -1
        Quote: devis
        Well, do not read the article, but look at the photo!

        -------------------
        Have you read the article yourself? Or do you agree with other "photo viewers"?
    3. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 26 May 2016 16: 00
      +25
      Quote: Altona
      And what is the airplane itself? Biplane or monoplane?

      Here it will be.
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 26 May 2016 16: 40
        +30
        Cool. Has anyone paid attention to practically "freezing" at the supercritical angle of attack? This aircraft is simply irreplaceable for search and rescue operations, environmental protection and fire fighting services. It is difficult to overestimate the advantages of the aircraft.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 26 May 2016 17: 14
          +10
          Quote: novobranets
          Cool. Has anyone paid attention to practically "freezing" at the supercritical angle of attack? This aircraft is simply irreplaceable for search and rescue operations, environmental protection and fire fighting services. It is difficult to overestimate the advantages of the aircraft.

          Pomnitz, in the monograph on An-2 they wrote that in a headwind, the car "hovered" over the strip.
          ... at an altitude of 900 m above the center of the aerodrome, our plane, bristling with slats and flaps released, began to slowly decline in the parachuting mode. A solid breeze delayed the decline. At the beginning, the Kazan airport dispatcher apparently mistook us for Li-2 and gave permission to land. Then, seeing a plane similar to Po-2 and hanging in a threatening position, categorically prohibited its implementation. He started screaming into the microphone that we would immediately fall into a tailspin. I told him that this is not Po-2, and the decline is normal. But the dispatcher continued to scream. In general, there was a lot of noise on the air. But our plane, without changing the regime, landed exactly at the landing sign.
        2. Platonich
          Platonich 27 May 2016 04: 55
          +3
          And they noticed the length of take-off and landing on the village lawn - this is just a miracle, not a plane !!!
        3. Dora2014
          Dora2014 27 May 2016 21: 39
          0
          I agree. + powerful wing mechanization, resulting in a very short mileage during take-off and landing.
      2. GAF
        GAF 26 May 2016 18: 00
        +6
        Thanks for the Vidic. If the overclocking is played in real time, then it is a device with a "vertical" takeoff.
      3. crambol
        crambol 26 May 2016 20: 39
        0
        In fact, a machine with a RING wing. There has been an article about him for several years in Popular Mechanics.
    4. Gnufus
      Gnufus 26 May 2016 16: 02
      -2
      In the photo, a variant of the TVS-2DT monoplane with an upper strut wing.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 26 May 2016 16: 10
        +10
        Quote: Gnufus
        In the photo, a variant of the TVS-2DT monoplane with an upper strut wing.

        We read the developer's site:
        "June 10, 2015 from the Yeltsovka airfield of the Novosibirsk Aviation Plant named after V.P. Chkalov (NAZ, a branch of" Sukhoi ") into the air for the first time TVS-2DT demonstrator aircraft in full biplane configuration, created on the basis of the remotorized An-2 at the Siberian Scientific Research Institute of Aviation. S. A. Chaplygina (SibNIA) " hi
        1. PHANTOM-AS
          PHANTOM-AS 26 May 2016 16: 18
          +4
          Quote: Andrey K
          TVS-2DT demonstrator aircraft in full biplane configuration, created on the basis of the remotorized An-2 at the Siberian Research Institute, first flew into the air

          But the repaired option.
      2. Yak-3P
        Yak-3P 26 May 2016 16: 19
        +5
        mono is --1 --- and here are 2 wings - i.e. .-- bi
    5. Andrey K
      Andrey K 26 May 2016 16: 03
      +12
      This is a biplane, it has two bearing surfaceshi
      1. otter.1
        otter.1 26 May 2016 17: 28
        0
        Nope, well, you don’t understand a damn thing, they said a monoplane soldier , this and without question wassat
    6. poquello
      poquello 26 May 2016 16: 06
      +1
      Quote: Altona
      And what is the airplane itself? Biplane or monoplane?

      carbon fiber biplane
    7. yehat
      yehat 26 May 2016 16: 59
      0
      this is a monoplane)))
    8. Yarhann
      Yarhann 26 May 2016 17: 30
      0
      a monoplane will naturally be - what other Makar can increase flight speed.
      and load capacity will be increased, I think due to the large number of composites and of course the new engine, because the native Anovsky engine was good but 50 years ago.
      The plane will naturally not be the same as in the photo - although it is possible to increase speed with the biplane scheme, but by changing the wing profile, the payload will also be ensured by a more powerful engine, although the take-off speed will increase but the takeoff run will increase insignificantly.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 26 May 2016 18: 06
        +1
        native Anovsky engine was good but about 50t ago. ,,
        By the way: the AN-2 engine is a modernized I-16 aircraft.
        1. gunya
          gunya 26 May 2016 19: 09
          +1
          kotvov (1) RU

          Mal-mal were mistaken, the AN-2 Shvetsov engine was used on the AN-82.
          1. Alex
            Alex 26 May 2016 20: 34
            0
            Correct, ASH-62IR. ASH-62 (M-62) were mounted on the I-16 and Li-2.
  3. marshes
    marshes 26 May 2016 15: 57
    +2
    As I understand it will be with a turboprop engine, it would not be bad if there was an option and a piston engine with the possibility of using gasoline as a fuel.
    1. faridg7
      faridg7 26 May 2016 16: 21
      +10
      but the turboprop is more economical, due to this, the range has risen. Does it make sense to go back in time?
      1. marshes
        marshes 26 May 2016 16: 39
        +13
        Quote: faridg7
        but the turboprop is more economical, due to this, the range has risen. Does it make sense to go back in time?

        The service will be expensive for private airlines, small. Those who are engaged in agriculture. After all, the old An-2 "on their knees can be sorted out."
        Our AN-2 mainly works for farmers, cultivating the fields.
        1. faridg7
          faridg7 26 May 2016 18: 52
          +7
          the piston’s resource will be less; then it will come out.
          In my opinion, this is how to compare KamAZ with its 740 engine and Kenworth with Cummins. one barely barely passes 300 thousand before repair, the second millionaire. but the first on the knee can be sorted out, and the second not every service will master. So choose - once a year or two, repair a diesel engine on the knee or every five to six years in service. I don’t know yet those who voluntarily replaced Kenworth with Kamaz. I can’t stand the Americans, but their main tractors are better.
          1. marshes
            marshes 26 May 2016 19: 12
            +3
            Quote: faridg7
            the piston’s resource will be less, it will have to be shoveled more often.

            It’s not a problem than repairing a turboprop from specialists. And how do you imagine, driving around the country to the regulations. Or doing repairs on the spot on your own. Which private trader, a Turboprop, can allow it. And imported engines that you will drive to Europe or America . Or like ours, helicopters, if not Eurocopter or Miles, you guys got a lot of money. Two types of technical regulations are carried out here.
            Quote: faridg7
            So choose - once a year or two, repair a diesel engine on the knee or every five to six years in service. I don’t know yet those who voluntarily replaced Kenworth with Kamaz. I can’t stand the Americans, but their main tractors are better.

            So my neighbor is long-distance, I started with a kamaz, now I’m probably a company of 10 cars, imported. I also bought a site, a base, bought and repair engines from my base. I’ve brought a couple of engines from each meal to the machine. boring, the whole list of services. Mechanics he has his own father and brother.
            1. faridg7
              faridg7 27 May 2016 00: 04
              +1
              Quote: marshes
              So my neighbor is long-distance, I started with a kamaz, now I’m probably a company of 10 cars, imported. I also bought a site, a base, bought and repair engines from my base. I’ve brought a couple of engines from each meal to the machine. boring, the whole list of services. mechanics he has his own father and brother

              Well, after all, they mastered the repair, and on private planes private owners will learn how to repair it - at first it seems that it is difficult, and when the head is in place and the hands are not from the lower hemispheres, everything is done.
              1. marshes
                marshes 27 May 2016 15: 35
                0
                Quote: faridg7
                Well, after all, they mastered the repair, and on private planes private owners will learn how to repair it - at first it seems that it is difficult, and when the head is in place and the hands are not from the lower hemispheres, everything is done.

                Private owners can and can do a turboprop engine. But, my father worked as an aviation mechanic, studied, engineer, and began with AN-2, IL-14, AN-12 and .... IL-20. smile In the 90s, he was already retired for a couple of months, the kents called in, worked at the 405 plant, repairing the AN-2. I was sorting through the engines, there was also a stand, checking the work in different modes. According to the Turobovintovs, he immediately said it was hemorrhoid. "change.
                At home, the aluminum tank from the AN-2 was adapted for a summer shower, a trough for draining oil, duralumin racks, covers ... So you can collect the floor of the plane from the gouges for scraping smile And I gave the candles to a friend in the 90s on the stove in LUAZ.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 27 May 2016 17: 50
                  +3
                  And I’ll add, from the conversations of the father and his colleagues.
                  Year 1986, winter Chita. Already three days can’t fly away, APA is broken. Frost, the weather is not so hot.
                  Exit launch. VSU, blamed ... Commander, leftist ochkanul.instruktsii.Batyanya my "OWNER" of the aircraft, note not the pilots, these are replaceable riders. The owner is the board engineer. Breaks the seal, launch. I went out myself and watched the engines start so that there would be no surge, but then they left for Almaty.
                  Pilots are heroes, but you don’t need to forget the technical composition.
                  Thanks to the USSR, my father was trained and deserved the order for service; 2 degrees were deceived, or rather, before retirement, they offered a postcard to Moskvich 412, in a country of complete shortage they chose a car, the order received a skeet shooter.
                  And so APA 5.
                  1. faridg7
                    faridg7 28 May 2016 02: 11
                    0
                    We had both APA5 and APA50 at the airport; technicians preferred APA50 to work.
          2. yehat
            yehat 27 May 2016 15: 50
            +1
            and what to choose? small aviation - it is guaranteed savings on maintenance
          3. Serg koma
            Serg koma 28 May 2016 18: 59
            0
            Quote: faridg7
            trunk tractors they have better.

            drinks
      2. yehat
        yehat 27 May 2016 15: 48
        0
        fuel economy in small aviation thing is generally conditional
        it depends not only on the engine itself.
        In addition, the aircraft has a key parameter - the number of man-hours sufficient to maintain the machine in readiness. And the overall indicator is not fuel, but the cost of use.
        I am sure that with turboprops you need to tinker more, you need more equipment.
        1. marshes
          marshes 27 May 2016 16: 19
          0
          Quote: yehat
          I am sure that with turboprops you need to tinker more, you need more equipment.

          And how much time it will take to prepare the aircraft for departure. What kind of infra-private owner should have, it did not start, warmed up and flew.
          From the top I brought interest in gasoline, but we forgot that there is a diesel on kerosene.
          On gasoline would be preferable.
          1. Starina_hank
            Starina_hank 27 May 2016 19: 20
            0
            And who will answer for the quality of gasoline?
            1. marshes
              marshes 27 May 2016 19: 36
              0
              Quote: Starina_Hank
              And who will answer for the quality of gasoline?

              No one, there was a case, well, with an empty side and 92 were poured. One of us fell, though laden.
              Who will answer for the quality of kerosene?
              What's the catch, 92-95 flew, still alive.
  4. pts-m
    pts-m 26 May 2016 16: 01
    +17
    They shouldn’t even call An-oh, otherwise they will yell that they started releasing them without a license, even kondraty will suffice them. The Siberian will sound in Russian!
    1. Rostislav
      Rostislav 26 May 2016 16: 24
      +12
      To pay attention to cries of stubborn ones - do not respect yourself.
      And if there is enough Kondraty especially Svidomo, who was in Odessa on May 2 ...
      I think you will find the right parting words, I will not litter here.
    2. Lekov L
      Lekov L 26 May 2016 16: 27
      +13
      From the language removed ...
      Moreover, I do not observe anything in common with the famous "Annushka" except for general layout solutions.
      Biplane box new
      wing in terms of production and materials - new,
      new plumage,
      propulsion system is new and arranged differently
      the fuselage on the first visual impression has different proportions,
      Brand new device ...
      Only the glazing of the cabin evokes some nostalgia.
      May blow polycarbonate bubble wink ?

      And so you can call Spitfire, Yak1, MiG3 and Me109 "Makki MS.202" - all have the same layout. and the differences are the same as I wrote.
      Like that one.
      Sincerely ...
      1. otter.1
        otter.1 26 May 2016 17: 33
        +4
        The bubble will distort, and so the AN-2’s cabin in terms of the review is almost the best, and if not in the world, then for sure.
        1. Lekov L
          Lekov L 26 May 2016 19: 18
          +5
          The bubble will distort, and the cabin at AN-2 in part of the review is almost the best, and if not in the world, then we definitely
          .
          This is me, for example, so that the "brothers" do not show off.
          Flat glass - is correct, I agree.
          Moreover, polycarbonate in the sun slightly loses its properties, so for five years ...
          Only I would have made the polik at the pilots partially transparent.
          So that already a review ..
          And if you add a float version - a very popular pepelats will come out!
          Sincerely ...
          1. marshes
            marshes 26 May 2016 19: 28
            +4
            Quote: Lekov L
            So that already a review ..

            Otherwise, the radar would not interfere with the navigation complex.
            And then last fall I watched, low cloudy drizzling rain. Annushka swept over the highway, about 50 meters, and along it to Burundai, an airfield. To see that we would not get lost.
            1. Lekov L
              Lekov L 26 May 2016 21: 18
              +12
              Otherwise, the radar would not interfere with the navigation complex.

              It is much more expensive ..
              Orientation on the ground is carried out by reading the co-pilot road signs and the names of the stations commuter trains.
              (At night, illuminated by the landing light) smile
              When completely lost, the device sits down near the village and the crew with passengers engaged in surveying the population.
              Once participated. repeat
              Sincerely.
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 26 May 2016 21: 34
                +1
                Quote: Lekov L
                When completely lost, the device sits down near the village and the crew with passengers engaged in surveying the population.
                Once participated.

                From the 8th minute laughing
            2. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 27 May 2016 12: 54
              +1
              Quote: marshes
              Looks like not to get lost.

              Could be so:
              1. marshes
                marshes 27 May 2016 13: 11
                +1
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                Could be so:

                Expensive. laughing
                Yes, you can get by with the minimum. Radar is needed, warnings, simple and not super duper. And navigation, this is not a car tablet navigator with maps and GI PIES, as for me, by the way, it shows not only maps, they took the gyroplane and the guys on a motor glider .
                Something more serious, integrated into the dashboard. GLONAS with DZHIPIES.
                By the way, it was not the first time I met who installed the jeeps at home. Previously, the flying club was in Baserka, it may still exist temporarily tied up for family reasons, many used it.
                1. Lt. Air Force stock
                  Lt. Air Force stock 27 May 2016 16: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: marshes
                  Expensive.
                  Yes, you can get by with the minimum. Radar is needed, warnings, simple and not super duper. And navigation, this is not a car tablet navigator with maps and GI PIES, as for me, by the way, it shows not only maps, they took the gyroplane and the guys on a motor glider .
                  Something more serious, integrated into the dashboard. GLONAS with DZHIPIES.
                  By the way, it was not the first time I met who installed the jeeps at home. Previously, the flying club was in Baserka, it may still exist temporarily tied up for family reasons, many used it.

                  Here is a good upgrade option for the An-2 cab
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 27 May 2016 16: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    Here is a good upgrade option for the An-2 cab

                    Ofigeno! good
                    Another issue would be to establish old machines, instead of fabric, carbon.
                    And the Chinese still produce them, where we do not take parts. smile
    3. otter.1
      otter.1 26 May 2016 17: 31
      +3
      Well, actually, you can say to Ukrainians something like this: "Comrade, are you hto?" We have no less rights to this plane than Khokhlostan, so see above.
    4. yehat
      yehat 27 May 2016 15: 52
      0
      Duc AN - not Antonov already))
      they are parcels now doing
  5. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 26 May 2016 16: 07
    +2
    If the cargo is twice as much, then there are more passengers than 12?
    1. Altona
      Altona 26 May 2016 18: 56
      +6
      Quote: x.andvlad
      If the cargo is twice as much, then there are more passengers than 12?

      ---------------------
      And the plane will no longer be the An-2, but the An-28, and these are about the characteristics that are announced there. The scheme is no longer biplane, but a high-wing with a strut wing, and even a 2-engine one. And the picture is already.
      1. msm
        msm 27 May 2016 15: 00
        0
        Damn, the whole top of the CPSU in the USSR was Khokhlyad (Khrushchev, Brezhnev-Dnepropetrovsk) - that's why we built 404 high-tech industries in XNUMX, and now we suck our paw in Russia. Like this!
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 27 May 2016 22: 19
        0
        I also wanted to ask, what about the AN-14 "Pchelka"?
        Although, for remote areas you need a plane that will land and take off even from the football field of a rural school. A bee cannot, AN-3 can.
  6. vanavatny
    vanavatny 26 May 2016 16: 11
    +11
    how many people out of it did the first step from mabuta to man laughing soldier
    1. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 26 May 2016 16: 15
      +3
      That's right! But he has long needed a replacement. So this development will be in demand also in the troops. Just to overcome all the problems with mass production.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 May 2016 16: 14
    +11
    That's what we need! Moreover, private companies should be allowed to fly in Chukotka and everywhere, but the local administration should not interfere. Thousands of such aircraft are needed to get to the district center in an hour from any wilderness.
    1. LukaSaraev
      LukaSaraev 26 May 2016 18: 36
      +1
      Eh ... Nobody thought about tourist fishermen. We really need this.
  8. Romanenko
    Romanenko 26 May 2016 16: 21
    +8
    A handsome man, doing wonders at the MAX, working speed range from 60 to 280 km / h, 70 m run, 100 mileage, just a plague! He only had one pigtail in the exhibition version - the Honevel engine with a propeller and the instrument panel for 90% are also from the United States, but this is serious - here you need to install your own engine and devices accordingly, on the MAX it had a dressing room from Annushka - old, if everything was made from the composite, as they had planned, they would be a super hit for small aircraft. God give them good luck !!!
    And the car will be just super, they will do it - An-2 will outlive it, by the way, since 1947 it has still been in service and around the world flies, despite its age and complete inefficiency.
    1. otter.1
      otter.1 26 May 2016 17: 36
      +2
      About the motor, you are absolutely right, you need your own, in terms of composites, maybe there are "specialists" here, they would have told about the price, unlike the "duralumin"
      1. Masstiff
        Masstiff 26 May 2016 21: 39
        +1
        By engine - they planned to assemble under license. Here is an excerpt from a 2013 interview.
        - And what are the real possibilities for their production?

        - Everything is limited to motors. We analyzed repair plants. The existing base allows annually upgrading 250-300 aircraft. That is, basically, the restriction associated with the release of Honeywell engines. But with the Honeywell plant, we have already agreed on the licensed production of this engine here. Now we’re flying to discuss what elements we will produce here.

        - That is, the engine itself will also be produced in Novosibirsk?

        - First, yes. And then, as technology is mastered, it will be transferred somewhere to production.


        Fully here http://sibnia.ru/press-czentr/novosti/detail.php?ID=52

        For the price - it sounded 1,5 - 2 million dollars.

        http://news.ngs.ru/articles/2198083/
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 26 May 2016 17: 52
      -1
      Quote: Romanenko
      Honevel engine with propeller

      That's how, then I think 3 tons for 3500 km, what kind of engine is so amazing
    3. Altona
      Altona 26 May 2016 18: 10
      -1
      Quote: Romanenko
      A handsome plane, on the MAX won’s wonders, a working speed range from 60 to 280 km / h,

      ------------------
      And where is 350km / h? Claimed in the article.
  9. shura7782
    shura7782 26 May 2016 16: 22
    +2
    The first time I learned about this news in the seventies was from the children's magazine Young Technician. Outwardly, it differed only in the bow. Now we have worked on the glider. It's time to launch it in a series. Plus!
  10. shura7782
    shura7782 26 May 2016 16: 22
    +1
    The first time I learned about this news in the seventies was from the children's magazine Young Technician. Outwardly, it differed only in the bow. Now we have worked on the glider. It's time to launch it in a series. Plus!
  11. Alexey Lobanov
    Alexey Lobanov 26 May 2016 16: 27
    0
    The reincarnation of An-3. good Well done!
  12. K-36
    K-36 26 May 2016 16: 30
    +8
    A truncated article in VO from here "squeezed" http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/3312911 wink
    Only here in the original source the material is more humanly presented. They are going to raise speed to 350 km / h, range - to 3 km, and payload to increase to 500 tons. It will be almost completely composite.
    And in the source talk about the development of a carbon fiber aircraft to replace the Yak-40!
    As they say, God is to help Novosibirsk.
    Best regards hi
  13. ochakow703
    ochakow703 26 May 2016 16: 31
    +13
    Cool car! Yes, and the old man is also great, it is easier and more reliable to come up with something. In Soviet times, I flew to almost every village. And the passengers were ... and a budget ticket. It is interesting to imagine if these lines are launched now, how much would the ticket cost? And further. Here is all evil screaming from all angles and televisions that they say Gorbachev made a breakthrough to freedom, EBN is generally a heroic personality - he brought democracy to the country. It’s strange, like something like “freedom” (I really don’t understand from whom, probably from CONSCIENCE), “democracy” (though a bunch of crooks rule the country), but life has gotten worse (I don’t consider the breaking counters from Chinese and European shit to be an improvement, I'm used to a natural product and a sweatshirt), angrier, shameless. Is it worth it? ...
  14. fa2998
    fa2998 26 May 2016 16: 38
    +6
    Quote: SSI
    Have you considered the photo?

    Back in the 80s of the last century, on the cover of the Tekhnika-Molodezhi magazine there was a similar picture-replacement of the An-2 with a turboprop engine. Otherwise, a slightly modernized fuselage, wing and empennage. Of course, 40 years have passed, the braces have disappeared, composites. If only modern designers were too clever. The main advantage of the An-2: it was CHEAP and REPAIR. Sometimes local locksmiths would fix something at the collective farm field camp. Otherwise they would make a "miracle plane" at an astronomical price, well, and make a couple pieces for the exhibition. yes hi
  15. Engineer
    Engineer 26 May 2016 16: 43
    +2
    In the original article, they also wrote about replacing the Yak-40 with the AI-222-25 engine from the Yak-130
  16. masiya
    masiya 26 May 2016 16: 44
    +6
    A useful pot, and it looks modern ... maybe the old days of the USSR could be revived, when it was possible to fly on a regional scale for reasonable money, and it’s time to start spreading locusts on the fields already, otherwise the bastards will devour everything ...
  17. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 26 May 2016 16: 47
    +1
    The replacement of the aircraft "Honorary Pensioner of Aeroflot" has been needed for a long time, it seems that the hands have just reached and that's good. But it is not entirely clear why the flight range of 3500 km is laid down, who and for what will be hanging in the air for 10 hours? The old man was a short-haul and perfectly fit into this niche, or it happened ... Most likely with the prospect of export, but there, sorry, "busy".
    1. cccr51
      cccr51 26 May 2016 17: 17
      +5
      But he flew to an ice floe and returned back, there a thousand - a thousand back and a point the shit does not chew.
    2. Lekov L
      Lekov L 26 May 2016 17: 18
      +6
      I think you think a little wrong.
      Flight range is one way (distillation).
      There, back (with landing in the district center, camp, meteorologists, etc.) is already in half.
      The reserve stock of fuel with an eye on the headwind (side) wind, and now it remains normal, with a fuel reserve range of 1200-1500 km.
      Now let's open a map of, say, the Krasnoyarsk Territory, or the Republic of Sakha. Or even the Volga-Vyatka region. "Huge distances" (c) Skalozub.
      And if it is a patrol of forests, rivers, fisheries, and so on?
      And then the maximum range in aviation most often is the minimum load.
      It seems like a flexible airplane, okay, so it turns out ..
      Sincerely ...
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 26 May 2016 17: 23
      +5
      This is to fly all day to all kinds of places, and to be serviced and refueled at the base in one place.
  18. es.d
    es.d 26 May 2016 16: 50
    +4
    Remotorization is the key word. The video is about it. In the photo - another what
    PS Glazing is gorgeous! You can look under your tail.
  19. soroKING
    soroKING 26 May 2016 16: 52
    +1
    vimana great word fellow
  20. senima56
    senima56 26 May 2016 16: 57
    +11
    There has already been so much talk about "modernization" and "replacement" of old An-2 aircraft, and even "flight copies" (single ones) are shown more than once! .... Yes, only words do not go further! And it all ends with the purchase of imported equipment! Example? Please: "Rysachok" is a domestic development! Where is he? And we buy "L-410"! So much for "import substitution"! Rollbacks, rollbacks!
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 26 May 2016 19: 19
      +2
      Quote: senima56
      And it all ends with the purchase of imported equipment! Example? Please: "Rysachok" is a domestic development! Where is he? And we buy "L-410"


      Educate about the trotter, colleague. the trotter is at the hippodrome. About the stub l-410 in the subject, when there high fur boots are smoking in the cockpit, and in the cabin people cut oak at minus 50 overboard. There was AN-28, capable of ski-hydrolysis, very unpretentious even in comparison with AN-2, ALL AN-2 pilots said - this series will be. There is no SERIES. They killed a whole generation of pilots, who will now VISUALLY fly over the tundra? We'll write out the Canadians-Americans, edren-loaf, there are pros there, only they don't know the area. JPS is sometimes useful to shove away, chatting a lot.
      1. senima56
        senima56 27 May 2016 22: 30
        0
        Насчёт "Рысачка" тут: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A0%D1%8B%D1%81%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%BE%D0%BA
  21. Governor
    Governor 26 May 2016 17: 01
    0
    Here is the progress!
  22. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 26 May 2016 17: 04
    +7
    That's when there is a NEED for them, in the "maize" - the designers will stir up in six months, do not go to the granny. So far, damn it, they do not see the need for emphasis - 3 \ 4 of the country is swamp-taiga-tundra, and we do not need small aircraft, no, dear, fir trees! Well this is how much money the Chukchi need for a ticket, taking into account all kickbacks, even if the wife is taking her to the maternity hospital on reindeer, it's checked. And what is hydroaviation - so it seems to iPhones, in general, the Wild Forest, completely Unknown. I lived there, I know what small aircraft is. Where the "eight" is a pass, the AN-2 can be on hydro-skis (not always - but it can).
  23. senima56
    senima56 26 May 2016 17: 07
    +10
    "We expect that we will come to the serial version by 2017 ....." - the leading engineer of the enterprise Sergey Ivantsov reports to TASS. Remember these promises! And let's see what happens in 2017! I think nothing of the promised will happen! Another "chatter"! Specially recorded the words of Manturov about the "M-21", said on November 14, 2014: "The prototype at the end of 2015 (and where is it?). First flight in the first half of 2016 (something not to be seen!) Serial production in 2017! The first 4 planes in 2018! "These are his words and promises! I would give a term for" nonsense ":" mistaken "for 2 years, go to cut the forest for 2 years! Or not" gaps "! You are not a grandmother in the bazaar! You are a minister economic development! With you and the demand is appropriate!
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 26 May 2016 18: 12
      +5
      Quote: senima56
      With you and the corresponding demand!


      Strongly FOR. And so in all sectors: in the economy, and in mechanical engineering, and in shipbuilding, and in machine tools and everywhere, everywhere ... good
      1. senima56
        senima56 26 May 2016 18: 19
        +2
        That's it: everywhere, across all sectors!
      2. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 26 May 2016 18: 54
        +1
        Quote: Ros 56
        Strongly FOR. And so in all sectors: in the economy, and in mechanical engineering, and in shipbuilding, and in machine tools and everywhere, everywhere ...


        Fail everything and everywhere - and then the ORGANIZATIONS follow - to resign. The punishment is terrible, to be sure, how to chop off your head. Six months later, a kettle pops up in RosTech, or in RosOboronExport somewhere, purely sinecure. Country of C grade, straight in Pushkin's way: "we all learned a little something and somehow ..."
        Fortunately, it was these who studied this way, and we were stuck with prep oh-oh. We breathe on that for now. Until the electricity documentation is ready for me, I don’t care about your pennies. As a result:
  24. rudolff
    rudolff 26 May 2016 17: 23
    +4
    All-composite? Instead of metal-perkali? Yes, and turboprop? But how much will it cost, so cool, and who will need it at that price? No, they say correctly, An-2 can replace only An-2!
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 26 May 2016 17: 43
      +3
      Quote: rudolff
      All-composite? Instead of metal-perkali? Yes, and turboprop? But how much will it cost, so cool, and who will need it at that price? No, they say correctly, An-2 can replace only An-2!


      Well, how - to create a couple of design bureaus "on a competitive basis", Experimental plants, again ... Composites are unknown animals, they were tested on "Sukhoi", and "maize" is another class of aircraft. The families of the heirs of the dynasties are growing, that your Rothschilds, Bori's business lives on. Only, this, the liberals do not fuss.
      An-3 was already there, how many numbers are ahead? When Will Thieves Sit in Prison? Rhetorical question .
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 27 May 2016 07: 07
        +2
        Quote: iliitch
        Composites - unknown animals


        A small clarification, we used all these composites, at least fiberglass, for gluing the hulls of ship models up to 2 meters long back in the mid-70s, but in the 80s carbon fabric was already used in full growth in aircraft modeling. They stamped the fuselages, screws, spars, reinforced ribs, etc., and applied the vacuum molding method. In short, everything that arose new, tried to use and imagine it turned out. So this is not new and has been used for more than thirty years. hi
        1. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 4 June 2016 11: 27
          0
          Quote: Ros 56
          In short, everything that arose new, tried to use and imagine it turned out.


          Colleague, I mocked a little over the stupidity of our officials. Why not ? There is something.
  25. Verdun
    Verdun 26 May 2016 17: 28
    +3
    Specialists of the Siberian NIA them. Chaplygin will present a serial version of the aircraft, which will replace the legendary "Corn"
    I do not understand at all why, in the presence of such design bureaus as Tu, Il, Yak and others, the research institute is engaged in the development of such an aircraft. The task of the research institute is scientific research, on the basis of which operating plants and design bureaus should receive appropriate recommendations. And the design bureaus themselves must create a product for production based on these recommendations. I myself worked in research institutes and I know very well that the capabilities of most of them allow only prototypes to be created. Once again, the "aroma of conjuncture" rushes from all cracks. How can one believe that this is the wind of change?
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 26 May 2016 20: 17
      +2
      Because on enthusiasm!
      We found the old blueprints, a little bit of work-up, and yeah!
      And where can the old drawings of AN come from? )) Do it again? This is a humiliation for specialists.
  26. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 26 May 2016 17: 38
    +3
    That’s good, but after the cessation of production of the An-3 aircraft, Russia was left completely without cars of this class.
  27. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 26 May 2016 17: 58
    +3
    If the engine is Russian-made, then I am FOR.
  28. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. 26 May 2016 18: 08
    0
    Eh, if Fokker Dr.1 were to be subjected to such modding ... Well, like a hot rod, current flies.
  29. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. 26 May 2016 18: 15
    +4
    Something, I see, no one remembered the yoped M-15. The first.
    1. Lekov L
      Lekov L 26 May 2016 19: 27
      +1
      Something, I see, no one remembered the yoped M-15. The first.

      A wonderful idea, which unfortunately did not survive due to the political situation and the lack of a decent economical engine in production.
      Fuel did not count then.
      It all happened wrong ..

      Sincerely and ... regret.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 26 May 2016 19: 53
        +2
        Quote: Lekov L
        A wonderful idea that unfortunately did not survive due to the political situation

        Well, 120 of the planned 3000 aircraft were built, no? Interestingly, with political situations and the machine in the picture will be. Gee.
        1. Lekov L
          Lekov L 26 May 2016 21: 09
          +3
          I think the problem will be primarily in the engine.
          Since the internal political situation in n. more stable will be.
          And there is a need for a device.
          So additional funding is quite possible in addition to the state.
          But if the required engine is not mastered in production, that is a problem.
          And avionics need ...
          Although diesel Yaroslavl prisobachivay ..
          And instruments with By 2
          Joke, but bitter.
          Sincerely ...
  30. Ros 56
    Ros 56 26 May 2016 18: 28
    +5
    I didn’t understand how, in essence, this airplane will differ from the well-deserved An-2, if only with a plastic fuselage and wings with a stabilizer and keel of a different shape and at the same time have a price 5-10 times more expensive, then go yourself guys to that forest . And don’t break the fuck.
    I look, such a trend has begun, we have already encountered this - they are giving a task from above, tupars in the ministries are not understanding and are not able to go down to the regional level, but here they are and start looking for local artists. Sheep at least with knowledgeable and experienced people consulted how and why.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 26 May 2016 18: 41
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      then go yourself guys out to that forest ...

      ... and let the agricultural aviation on An-2 pollinate you there laughing
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 27 May 2016 07: 21
        +1
        Quote: Pinky F.
        ... and let the agricultural aviation on An-2 pollinate you there


        Smart people for these purposes back in the last century came up with drones, the only problem was the element base for creating a radio control system. Only in 80 did a proportional system begin to appear in us, but it had a rather poor quality even of foreign production such as Grundik, Graupner, etc. Shorter than current firewood models.
        And it's not over yet, let's see what people are capable of, the truth is that the attitude of our leadership of the country to the issues of, so to speak, "folk art" has discouraged many from any desire to do this. You can discuss a lot about this, but to be honest, I don't want to, looking at how they kill any common sense.
  31. atamankko
    atamankko 26 May 2016 18: 46
    +3
    The rulers would understand how in the outback such a plane is needed,
    maybe they would move, but it doesn’t reach them.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 26 May 2016 19: 53
      +2
      Quote: atamankko
      Rulers would understand

      in fact, you can put an end to this sigh.
  32. Lens
    Lens 26 May 2016 19: 59
    +7
    "Annushka", that is how the An-2 pilots were lovingly called in the middle of the last century, is a wonderful plane in itself. They say there are no irreplaceable people. But he refutes this statement! They tried to replace - and M-15 with a fashionable reagent, and helicopters, but ... Immediately the cost of processing fields, consumables and even the salaries of pilots grew. Years passed, the world changed and An-2 flew over all continents in a small airplane. Not fashionable, not modern, with archaic architecture and glazing, but so necessary! This includes sanitary aviation, and agriculture, and millions of trained parachutists, and polar explorers, and the army and .... And there are many more "i" s. The end of the twentieth century, the beginning of the twenty-first, revealed the main drawback - the cost of fuel. Aviation gasoline at its cost has begun to wipe out crops and passenger traffic. Much more tempting was the still cheap kerosene. So there were projects for new "hearts". It's a pity that the operating states have no money for this, but maybe the future will have mercy and the "annushka" will step over the age of centuries?)) smile
  33. Bramb
    Bramb 26 May 2016 20: 15
    +1
    Yeah. And cost as much as 30 old maize.
    We dealt with this topic several years ago. Well, my share in that topic was small, but they connected specialists. The main problem was: registration and other documents. They could not get it. And the estimated cost was about 2 million rubles.
    What is this trembling?
  34. Bramb
    Bramb 26 May 2016 20: 26
    +2
    assembled a prototype aircraft, in which they tested new technologies, including elements made of composite materials "
    --------------
    If these are the materials that I think about, then one wing of this airplane will cost as much as one and a half old "maize".
    Another cut. Do not believe? And why not a word about the price? Nothing about the payback period? Guess three times.
  35. iouris
    iouris 26 May 2016 20: 27
    +2
    The main thing on the plane is the engine. Well? Plasma, Nuclear, P&W or GE?
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 26 May 2016 20: 30
      +2
      In the in !!!
      I think the new production will begin.)))))
      Maybe they will do about a dozen. But more than one billion will cut money. As with the same jet, the cost of an airbus.
      1. PHANTOM-AS
        PHANTOM-AS 26 May 2016 20: 37
        +1
        Quote: Bramb
        Maybe they will do about a dozen. But more than one billion will cut money. As with the same jet, the cost of an airbus.

        Who would doubt, oblig. pililut, we have the most expensive things in the world, cosmodromes, stadiums, gas pipelines, bridges, competitions and planes are no exception to this list.
        1. Grigory_78
          Grigory_78 25 February 2017 21: 23
          0
          Let's do nothing. Neither cosmodromes, nor stadiums and further on the list? Theft in the country developed even under Brezhnev, it is so easy not to get rid of it. It has literally entered the flesh and blood.
    2. Bramb
      Bramb 26 May 2016 20: 54
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      The main thing on the plane is the engine. Well? Plasma, Nuclear, P&W or GE?

      In this aircraft, 90% of the cost is precisely the engine!
      If you take a serial piston - it will be enough. But there are people like you. We’ll make carbon wings, the fuselage of the latest brands of composites, an aluminum engine, forced cooling with liquid argon ... And then people like you also sit in certification ... I’ve grown a big ass, I guess?
      1. iouris
        iouris 27 May 2016 01: 05
        +1
        Let me remind you that "...." I certainly have, but there is no such word.
        Without confirmation of compliance with mandatory requirements, it makes no sense to start production. And in order for an object to meet the mandatory airworthiness requirements, its design and production must use the most advanced technologies, including CAD, machine tools and equipment, quality management systems, and suppliers. People must be trained and certified. Money is needed unmeasured. But the main thing is time. Production can only be created with a very long portfolio of orders. If this is a problem, then we are talking about commonplace things - a cut. But even there is no engine (!) So what is the article about?
    3. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 26 May 2016 21: 06
      +4
      Quote: iouris
      The main thing on the plane is the engine. Well? Plasma, Nuclear, P&W or GE?

      Here is what is on the official website:
      The aim of the project is to increase the economic efficiency of the An-2 aircraft by replacing the ASH-62IR engine (remotorization) with the Garrett AiResearch TPE331-12 power plant while maintaining the airframe design.

      Project Objectives
      - Transition from aviation gasoline B-91 and its analogues to aviation kerosene TS-1
      - Autonomy and independence from the ground services of the airfield during maintenance and preparation of the aircraft
      - Preservation and improvement of the main characteristics of a typical An-2 aircraft.
      Replacement of the ASh-62IR piston engine with the TRE-331-12 turboprop engine manufactured by Honeywell (USA) will allow us to abandon the use of scarce aviation gasoline and reduce operating costs due to:
      - fuel cost (kerosene is 5 times cheaper than aviation gasoline)
      - reduce fuel consumption
      - increase engine overhaul life.
      Source: http: //sibnia.ru/an-2/
      1. iouris
        iouris 26 May 2016 23: 14
        -1
        Another option is to create a design bureau 20 years ago to develop automotive and small-sized aircraft engines, including for the UAV.
        If I'm not mistaken, ASh-62 is a clone of the American "Wright Cyclone" in 1936.
        Improvement of the An-2 has been going on for fifty years and so far nothing has come of it. And now it will not work: for the success of such a project, it is necessary to "change the regime in Moscow" and "return the Crimea" (or vice versa), but after that the need for this plane will disappear.
    4. Baloo
      Baloo 27 May 2016 22: 23
      0
      A few years ago I was at an air show in Gelendzhik. In addition to the Be-200, small aircraft with jet and turbojet engines of the same company were also shown. And they, these engines whose production? By the way, we liked the birds very much, there was a lot of noise, but they took off beautifully from the water, rolled out on wheels on our own wheels. hi
  36. Sidel45
    Sidel45 26 May 2016 21: 01
    0
    Why "maize"? As far as I remember, they called Po-2 cornmen, which could not only hide in corn, but once even managed to sit on the roof of a barn. I saw the photo myself. In general, of course, the An-2 is a hard worker, of which there are few. Let's hope that his successor will serve as long and blameless.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 26 May 2016 21: 56
      +3
      Quote: Seidel45
      Why "maize"?

      Because the An-2 was the workhorse of agricultural aviation
    2. Aljavad
      Aljavad 27 May 2016 02: 11
      +1
      Why "maize"? As far as I remember, Po-2 cornmen were called, to

      The name was inherited. Again, both biplanes.
  37. Amateur
    Amateur 26 May 2016 22: 09
    +1
    A good plane, no "concrete" will do. And the fact that the biplane is also good (the aerodynamic quality is better). The engine is most likely economical. You look, and the ticket price will be optimal.
    1. iouris
      iouris 26 May 2016 23: 16
      0
      The cost of mass transportation on such an airplane in sparsely populated regions may be lower than on any other form of transport.
    2. pafegosoff
      pafegosoff 26 May 2016 23: 29
      0
      Quote: Amateur
      And the fact that the biplane is also good (aerodynamic quality is better).

      And what is this quality expressed in? The An-2 biplane has K = 10, and the An-24 has more than 17. In Roshchino, in the early 1970s, both engines failed at the Tsarev PIC at a distance of 70 km towards Tobolsk. The plane just took off, full weight. Turned around, sat on the departure airfield.
      And such an airplane ...
  38. Ruby
    Ruby 26 May 2016 22: 50
    +5
    An3 Omsk did small batch. In my pieces 15-20 total riveted. In AK Polar Airlines 4 pieces fly. Not really praised. And more complicated and more expensive compared to An2.
    In general, as far as I remember, this topic has been discussed since the seventies. Father told me about An3 when I was a kid.
    As for the scheme of the aircraft, then for those tasks for which it is planned a biplane is the best option. He does not need too much speed 250 is quite normal, but takeoff and landing characteristics are much more important. After all, he’ll have to dangle for all kinds of shit, where is the runway, it's just a clearing as a rule. On a monoplane, in order to achieve low landing speed, serious wing mechanization must be done. It is both expensive and more difficult to maintain. The aircraft should be as simple and cheap to operate as possible.
    In general, this device, in my opinion, for all its versatility, is the continuation of the vicious concept of a universal aircraft for the PANH, operating in the USSR. For the same agricultural work, AN2 is actually not so very suitable. There you need a lighter car, which is both cheaper and easier. Here is my father before flying to An24 for 12 years he flew off in Kazakhstan to agricultural work on An2. And when he started also PO2 flew. Here he was just much more preferable. And they dragged the resource as they could, did not write it off to the last. Because the flight hour is much cheaper and did the job better.
    Nevertheless, An2 must be changed, and it is pleasing that we were puzzled by this issue. But besides this, you need very light cars of the same Po2 class, at a price comparable to an SUV. Google a photo of Anchorage and their hydroaerodrome. There are more aircraft than cars. And the living conditions in Alaska are about the same as in Siberia.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 27 May 2016 08: 07
      +2
      Quote: Yakut
      There you need a lighter car, which is both cheaper and easier.

      Was such a Yak-12
  39. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 26 May 2016 23: 08
    +3
    That’s all garbage.
    An-2 is Novosibirsk, then - Ukrainian. Presented to the Poles.
    I remember in 1976 the final of boxing in Montreal, and on Sunday I was on duty at the ULO (flight training department). A student from our school of higher flight training, an Iranian major, came up. Something had to be translated from Russian to generally accepted aviation. He complained about the Poles. Because of them, I had to switch from an excellent landing An-2 to An-26. For a mountainous country, a killer type change. In general, the An-2 was good, but the whole came out. Throw paratroopers at DOSAAF-ROSTO or Leskhoz.
    An-14. Did not go. The last museum crashed in the Far East.
    An-28 - was again Polish.
    An-3 Omsk ... Cheaper than this once in ten. And no one needs: neither producers nor consumers.
    This version of the An-3TBK is again Novosibirsk. The wings are changed to very expensive, the engine is imported, very expensive. Well do a dozen. They’ll suck in suckers. Then they are tormented with motors and spare parts. Put in a distant parking lot, where he will finish.
  40. kon125
    kon125 26 May 2016 23: 12
    +1
    Last time I jumped from An 2 on May 14th, before April 30th .. the call was spring 2016, A strong, reliable, maintainable aircraft .. the models will probably be better .. but can they afford the national economy? DOSAAF system? Which needs to be revived, prepare paratroopers. Agricultural aviation also requires a strong inexpensive simple aircraft. The great advantage of the An 2 is its simplicity and reliability, only its fuel economy.
    And to top it off ... Muzhiks ... here service-minded, caring people gathered from around the country ... help me find the fuselage or decommissioned An 2 for ground training classes. From the Union of Paratroopers, thank you very much .. well, of course, with the bullets.
    1. iouris
      iouris 27 May 2016 11: 49
      0
      Try through 76 airborne forces, it may work.
    2. dengy12
      dengy12 27 May 2016 12: 31
      0
      Quote: kon125
      Last time I jumped from An 2 on May 14th, before April 30th .. the call was spring 2016, A strong, reliable, maintainable aircraft .. the models will probably be better .. but can they afford the national economy? DOSAAF system? Which needs to be revived, prepare paratroopers. Agricultural aviation also requires a strong inexpensive simple aircraft. The great advantage of the An 2 is its simplicity and reliability, only its fuel economy.
      And to top it off ... Muzhiks ... here service-minded, caring people gathered from around the country ... help me find the fuselage or decommissioned An 2 for ground training classes. From the Union of Paratroopers, thank you very much .. well, of course, with the bullets.

      take an interest in the Kurgan Ask they have been parked there for about 20 years
  41. 406ppm2gv
    406ppm2gv 26 May 2016 23: 31
    +1
    [color = # 000000] Was also at MAKS 2015. Good characteristics are indicated on the plane. I asked the pilot what engine was worth, the Pratny engine. So we don't have an engine for this type of aircraft in Russia? Explain who knows?
    1. Grigory_78
      Grigory_78 25 February 2017 21: 13
      0
      No. Maybe when the hands reach its development, but obviously not soon. All engine developers are busy with urgent work for the military-industrial complex. As far as I know, of course.
  42. Ruby
    Ruby 26 May 2016 23: 33
    0
    Quote: kon125
    Last time I jumped from An 2 on May 14th, before April 30th .. the call was spring 2016, A strong, reliable, maintainable aircraft .. the models will probably be better .. but can they afford the national economy? DOSAAF system? Which needs to be revived, prepare paratroopers. Agricultural aviation also requires a strong inexpensive simple aircraft. The great advantage of the An 2 is its simplicity and reliability, only its fuel economy.
    And to top it off ... Muzhiks ... here service-minded, caring people gathered from around the country ... help me find the fuselage or decommissioned An 2 for ground training classes. From the Union of Paratroopers, thank you very much .. well, of course, with the bullets.

    In Fedurnovo at the aircraft factory did not ask? Was there about 6 years ago, they had a bunch of fuselages there, maybe they will give it back. There is nothing valuable there.
  43. PHANTOM-AS
    PHANTOM-AS 26 May 2016 23: 36
    +3
    Quote: 406ppmp2gv
    It turns out that we have no engine for this type of aircraft in Russia?

    Except for the completely outdated, pre-war engine ASH-62IR designed by A. D. Shvetsov, it turns out that there isn’t. request
    Here, read the link: http: //sibnia.ru/an-2/
  44. Forever so
    Forever so 27 May 2016 01: 07
    +2
    An-2, it is like an AK-47. Technological, simple, reliable. It occupies its own special niche, which cannot be occupied otherwise. I personally would forbid touching working resources. Best the enemy of the good. And why the heck is this load capacity, if there is nothing to load on routes where the AN-2 usually works. That is, air transportation at someone else's expense. I remember giving the GAZ-51 plant to China. Under the squeals of a morally obsolete machine, and then the accountant from the collective farm to the city goes to the city, or 5oo kilograms of potatoes are taken to the same city. In fact, GAZelle, this is the reincarnation of the GAZ-51, count after 40 years. Well, they bent the lower wing, got rid of the braces, well, they replaced the dvigun with a more economical one. Enough !!. But hardly anyone will listen. They will sculpt again, more, wider, farther and with pearl buttons. Ugh.
  45. Aljavad
    Aljavad 27 May 2016 02: 05
    0
    Beautiful wings! I think the great Russian aircraft designer O.K. Antonov would approve of such an heir to his Annushka! Well done, Siberians!
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 27 May 2016 07: 39
      +1
      Or, on the contrary, I would have nailed it to what came to hand. Antonov was a smart man and did not deal with projections.
  46. Evil 55
    Evil 55 27 May 2016 02: 31
    0
    Well, what, a very decent "Rus plywood - the storm of the Nazis" .. Just poison the Banderlog at night in the quiet Ukrainian steppe ..
  47. sclerosis
    sclerosis 27 May 2016 03: 17
    0
    Quote: Aljavad
    In general - I agree. And whose engine?

    It is in this matter that very fly in the ointment that spoils a barrel of honey. The engine is American. Perhaps (for the sake of overcoming import duties) they will arrange its screwdriver assembly. Which, of course, will not save the plane from import dependence.
    But the rest - of course, a project very much needed by the country.
  48. magdama
    magdama 27 May 2016 05: 20
    0
    Awesome MODERNIZATION !! Have you tried to upgrade the engine? Or a hot air balloon?
    1. Grigory_78
      Grigory_78 25 February 2017 21: 05
      0
      Do not jerk from scratch. Until recently, airships were used to move bulky heavy equipment. The same oil companies. It is very practical. You can certainly use the Mi-26, but transportation is prohibitively expensive. Waiting for winter so that the swamp is frozen is also very expensive. The equipment is idle.
  49. Letnab
    Letnab 27 May 2016 05: 27
    +1
    Anyway, the car should turn out good! The only question arises .. due to the change in carrying capacity, the class of the aircraft may change! And this immediately necessitates the installation of additional equipment according to ICAO rules, so the price, already considerable, will become unbearable for consumers ... Do designers or manufacturers of fuel assemblies read this site, but please do not change the class of aircraft.
  50. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 27 May 2016 08: 43
    +1
    Aircraft builders are set off only if it has a domestic engine, any development step in our engine building is progress, if not, all this fosyulyazhny and so forth tuning .. like a chrome locomotive,
    1. Technologist
      Technologist 29 May 2016 13: 16
      0
      It seems like a Canadian engine on it.
    2. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 2 June 2016 22: 53
      0
      Rather, like an An-2SM aircraft with a Honeywell TPE 331-12 engine.
      So progress is not visible. In principle, the game is worth the candle if the engines can be reanimated and AN-2 (which thousands rot without aviation gas, ceased to produce gas in Russia). All the will of God, Allah and those who hold power.