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Final F-35 testing postponed to 2018 g

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The final test of the newest American fighter F-35 was transferred to 2018 g, reports Look With reference to Pentagon’s head of defense procurement department Frank Kendall.




According to Kendall, "it was originally planned to be tested in the middle of the 2017 of the year, now they are moved to the beginning of the 2018 of the year."

In turn, the head of the F-35 program, Chris Bogdan, clarified that “the tests were planned to start in August or September of the 2017 year, but now the start date is postponed until January-February of the 2018.”

According to him, "there is a problem in all 23 aircraft designed for testing." “It is necessary to debug the final version of the control system - Block 3F”, Bogdan added.

At the same time, he noted that “this problem has nothing to do with the already known malfunctions, due to which the aircraft’s control system stops working and has to be restarted”.

Bogdan also said that the delivery of the revised software Block 3F will be carried out only in the late autumn of next year.

Previously, the media has repeatedly noted that the newest F-35 is “mired in problems”, however, in spite of everything, its production continues.
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  1. Stiletto
    Stiletto 26 May 2016 14: 07
    +17
    Pre-her-forested !!!! drinks
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 26 May 2016 14: 09
      +23
      Final F-35 testing postponed to 2018 g

      And why not for the year 2035? The plane is F-35. smile
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 26 May 2016 14: 16
        +8
        Quote: SRC P-15
        And why not for the year 2035? The plane is F-35.

        Why, why, because laughing
        Not all the money was cut on it, this "super-maneuverable" Halabuda is like a cash cow for "Lockheed" - how much money they pulled from the budget, and how much more they will pull ... wassat
        It will be necessary, the change will be held until 2035 laughing
        1. yehat
          yehat 26 May 2016 17: 43
          0
          I think Lockheed doesn’t need to postpone the testing of the aircraft - the company loses a lot of money on this for not concluded contracts. They simply have to do it because they themselves (years?) Are not ready.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 26 May 2016 18: 39
            +2
            Quote: yehat
            I think Lockheed doesn’t need to postpone the testing of the aircraft - the company loses a lot of money on this for not concluded contracts. They simply have to do it because they themselves (years?) Are not ready.

            ... and most importantly, it’s far from the fact that in 2018 it will successfully pass testing even with this version of the software ... the intrigue remains ... hi
      2. vorobey
        vorobey 26 May 2016 14: 23
        +6
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        And why not for the year 2035?


        buyers will begin to suspect something was wrong ... by the way, only Israel was allowed to fine-tune a file of all customers ...
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        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 26 May 2016 14: 34
          +5
          Quote: vorobey
          By the way, only Israel was allowed to fine-tune a file of all clients ...

          Correctly! The F-35 has long been asking for a "circumcision". In this case, Israel and the rasp in hand. smile
          1. jjj
            jjj 26 May 2016 14: 54
            +1
            A new word in the promotion of goods. The goods are not yet in condition, not yet tested, and they are being sold with might and main
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 26 May 2016 18: 41
              +2
              Quote: jjj
              A new word in the promotion of goods. The goods are not yet in condition, not yet tested, and they are being sold with might and main

              ... well ... the word is given by the English-Saxon gentlemen ... that everything will be OK! ... someday ... laughing
      4. Alex777
        Alex777 26 May 2016 20: 48
        0
        Quote: SRC P-15
        Final F-35 testing postponed to 2018 g

        And why not for the year 2035? The plane is F-35. smile



        As you call a boat, so it will sail wink
      5. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 27 May 2016 08: 28
        +1
        Of course I liked the joke, I set + but, judging by your logic, our plane should pass final testing in 2050.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 26 May 2016 14: 14
      +3
      And what’s charming here, these planes of all three modifications have already released 170 pieces and 121 is still in the final stage.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 26 May 2016 14: 18
        +3
        Quote: Vadim237
        And what’s charming here, these planes of all three modifications have already released 170 pieces and 121 is still in the final stage.


        Personally, I am fascinated by the problems faced by the developers and operators of this aircraft. The fact that the United States, even with imperfections, is ready to rivet it and push it into its partners, I have no doubt at all.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 26 May 2016 14: 50
          -7
          Quote: Stiletto
          Quote: Vadim237
          And what’s charming here, these planes of all three modifications have already released 170 pieces and 121 is still in the final stage.


          Personally, I am fascinated by the problems faced by the developers and operators of this aircraft. The fact that the United States, even with imperfections, is ready to rivet it and push it into its partners, I have no doubt at all.
          so after all the problems remained only with the software. All other performance characteristics are brought to the required. And the software will improve all the time. There is no limit to improving avionics.
          1. quote
            quote 26 May 2016 15: 32
            +5
            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            Quote: Stiletto
            Quote: Vadim237
            And what’s charming here, these planes of all three modifications have already released 170 pieces and 121 is still in the final stage.


            Personally, I am fascinated by the problems faced by the developers and operators of this aircraft. The fact that the United States, even with imperfections, is ready to rivet it and push it into its partners, I have no doubt at all.
            so after all the problems remained only with the software. All other performance characteristics are brought to the required. And the software will improve all the time. There is no limit to improving avionics.


            You are serious! And the performance characteristics of the engine? Or on the "pedal" drive is not critical!
            Avionics, regardless, does not fly !!!
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 26 May 2016 16: 09
              -1
              Quote: devis


              You are serious! And the performance characteristics of the engine? Or on the "pedal" drive is not critical!
              Avionics, regardless, does not fly !!!

              More than serious. All the problems voiced by you have long been resolved.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 May 2016 17: 24
                +5
                Quote: Aaron Zawi
                More than serious. All the problems voiced by you have long been resolved.

                I'm afraid you wishful thinking.
                Now the situation on the plane looks something like this. There is a full cycle of testing the aircraft, it includes ... well, let it be for the sake of simplicity 1000 various tests (in fact, many more, this is just an example for me). On F-35 did 600 and ran into technical problems. They just didn’t start 400 yet - the software does not allow it. Therefore, the rest of 400 was postponed until the software was ready.
                Those. yes, some technical problems seemed to have been eradicated (and then say, is it all? Have they really solved the buffing problem? I haven’t heard something ...), but it’s completely unclear if this is really so. About whether they will let themselves know these problems in the future can only be judged after the completion of the remaining tests. And they will not be until there is software.
                And therefore, to say that the technique on the plane is in order, it remains only to add a couple of macros is not correct.
                Again, if the feeling that some of the design problems are now being transferred to software. For example, the F-35 showed a tendency to stall on the wing during intense maneuvering. As I heard, EDSU was declared to be guilty of everything, which made it possible to transfer the arrows to software, but is this really so? Or is the glider design the problem? For the time being, it seems that Lockheed is pounding on software in the hope of gaining some more time to eliminate numerous technical "bugs".
                1. iwind
                  iwind 26 May 2016 19: 42
                  +4
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

                  I'm afraid you wishful thinking.
                  Now the situation on the plane looks something like this. There is a full cycle of testing the aircraft, it includes ... well, let it be for the sake of simplicity 1000 various tests (in fact, many more, this is just an example for me). On F-35 did 600 and ran into technical problems. They just didn’t start 400 yet - the software does not allow it. Therefore, the rest of 400 was postponed until the software was ready.

                  Not this way. The full test BLock3i in which it will be adopted in service passed. (F-35 Joint Program Office declares development of 2B and 3i software complete, giving full attention to 3F software which contains the full initial warfighting capability for all variants. (May 9)).
                  https://www.f35.com/media-kit
                  Problems arose with the integration of new weapons and the interaction of new systems in the block 3F, the deadlock of 2019 so that it is still on schedule.
                  The rest of the aircraft showed good reliability, has 60,000 flight hours with a serious one incident. During this week, I made two transatlantic (non-stop) flights.

                  About other problems that are listed in the DOte report for 2015, they do not appear or appear to be resolved.
                  Englishman trains to fly home
                  1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 May 2016 21: 34
                    +2
                    Quote: iwind
                    Not this way. The full test BLock3i in which it will be adopted in service passed. (F-35 Joint Program Office declares development of 2B and 3i software complete, giving full attention to 3F software which contains the full initial warfighting capability for all variants. (May 9)).

                    Not this way. Of course, I apologize for my English, which I own to the limit of the school curriculum, but you are now giving a link to the Lockheed office declaring some kind of integration between 2В and 3 and 3F and for all the options at once :)
                    How this refutes what I said above is a mystery to me.
                    Quote: iwind
                    Problems arose with the integration of new weapons and the interaction of new systems in the block 3F, the deadlock of 2019 so that it is still on schedule.

                    I don’t know what deadlines we are talking about. The aircraft as of 2016 g is limited in combat capability. Although it was supposed to be mass-supplied to the troops (on 194 vehicles per year) from the 2010 year.
                    Quote: iwind
                    The rest of the aircraft showed good reliability has 60,000 flight hours with a serious one incident

                    Due to the restrictions on piloting?
                    Quote: iwind
                    About other problems that are listed in the DOte report for 2015, they do not appear or appear to be resolved.

                    Perfectly. I have two questions. The first is when will the F-35 trials be finally completed? The second question is when will any of the modifications reach full combat efficiency?
                    1. iwind
                      iwind 26 May 2016 22: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      Not this way. Of course, I apologize for my English, which I own to the limit of the school curriculum, but you are now giving a link to the Lockheed office declaring some kind of integration between 2В and 3 and 3F and for all the options at once :)

                      "development of 2B and 3i software complete" In summary and for milestones. eventually the F-35B will receive Blok 3i. Now they fly on 2B. Now working with the new 3F software
                      Here is more detailed "Development of F-35 3i Software For USAF
                      IOC Complete "
                      "The program office announced that the Block 3I software version of the F-35 fighter jet, with which it in particular is to reach initial operational readiness in the US Air Force this year, ready... It is stated that during the last more than 100 hours of testing, fault tolerance has been demonstrated twice as better than on Block 2B (which is also used on the F-35B of the USMC and with which they reached initial operational readiness last year) "
                      https://www.f35.com/news/detail/development-of-f-35-3i-software-for-usaf-ioc-com

                      plete
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      How this refutes what I said above is a mystery to me.

                      The fact that now there are pure problems with the new BLOCK 3F. And not with the whole plane.
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      Due to the restrictions on piloting?

                      As far as I know, most of them have been removed (combat and 9G tests). Of course, there are operational ones, well, so they all.
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      Perfectly. I have two questions. The first is when will the F-35 trials be finally completed? The second question is when will any of the modifications reach full combat efficiency?

                      It is not limited, but the initial combat readiness is declared; all US planes pass through it. For the FOC, a whole list of requirements, including locations based. For the F-35A until 2019, now is the target fall 2017 or early 2018
                      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                      I don’t know what deadlines we are talking about. The aircraft as of 2016 g is limited in combat capability. Although it was supposed to be mass-supplied to the troops (on 194 vehicles per year) from the 2010 year.

                      and? What military programs went according to plan? the F-15 was nearly shut down at the time due to cost overruns and a craze in prices (it cost more than 2 times more than the previous generation of an airplane.). And now everything is going well with the F-35, new orders, + additional orders from the Air Force and the Navy and the United States Naval Forces, the price is less than $ 100 million for 2017. There is nothing to delay for a couple of months.
                      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 May 2016 23: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: iwind
                        The program’s office announced that the version of the Block 3I software of the F-35 fighter, with which it should achieve initial operational readiness this year in the US Air Force, is ready

                        Let's clarify. So, is the software version (3i) ready with which the aircraft this year is possible (should, but not required) to achieve initial operational readiness? And taking into account the fact that the final tests were postponed to 2018 in general?
                        Kill me cat backwards, if I understand where and what is the victory.
                        Quote: iwind
                        The fact that now there are pure problems with the new BLOCK 3F. And not with the whole plane.

                        Please explain how it is possible to conduct 100% tests of aircraft materiel if software is not ready for it and it simply cannot be operated and tested in full because of the unavailability of this software itself? F-35 should roll back the test program, but even then, the plane would go into the hands of Lipetsk aces, who would pull all the wires out of it in order to clearly understand what the plane can and what cannot. Despite the fact that at this stage some technical flaws would be revealed. And so it turns out that F-35 will be ready for full-scale EXPERIENCED operation where-thread in 2018 - 2019. Which is still unclear what will show.
                        Quote: iwind
                        As far as I know, most of them have been removed (combat and 9G tests). Of course, there are operational ones, well, so they all.

                        This is understandable, but the question is - how many of your recommended 60 000 flight hours did the aircraft spend without piloting restrictions?
                        Quote: iwind
                        and? What military programs went according to plan? F-15 was almost shut down due to cost overruns and price craze (it cost more than 2 times more expensive than the previous generation of the aircraft.)

                        I agree, almost none. But the lag in F-35 from the original plans will soon reach 10 years. I would say this is a little record.
                        Quote: iwind
                        And now F-35 is doing well

                        Okay, let's wait for 2019 of the year. It’s not long to wait :)))
                      2. iwind
                        iwind 27 May 2016 00: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Let's clarify. achieve initial operational readiness? And taking into account the fact that the final tests were postponed in general to 2018?
                        Kill me cat backwards, if I understand where and what is the victory.

                        No concept of final tests is this notion of our journalists. BLock 3f is also not the last one, after it will go Block 4,4,1,4,2 which is already approved. The victory is that up to the level of adoption, he is ready.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Please explain how it is possible to conduct a 100% test of aircraft materiel if the software is not ready for it and it simply cannot be operated and tested according to the full program due to the unavailability of this software itself?

                        Everything is ready software and hardware for Block 3I. He is ready by military requirement for IOC
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Despite the fact that at this stage some technical flaws would be revealed. And so it turns out that the F-35 will be ready for full-scale TEST operation where-a thread in 2018 - 2019. Which is still unclear what will show.

                        Sorry well, this is completely stupid. in the pilot operation of the F-35A now, and from August 2016 will be operated in combat-ready version.
                        some requirement for IOC requirement
                        "Air Force F-35A initial operational capability (IOC) shall be declared when the first operational squadron is equipped with 12-24 aircraft, and Airmen are trained, manned, and equipped to conduct basic Close Air Support (CAS), Interdiction, and limited Suppression and Destruction of Enemy Air Defense (SEAD / DEAD) operations in a contested environment. "
                        Middle fire support, air defense suppression, work in the contested space (Air-to-air)
                        The plane can already carry out combat missions.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        The F-35 should roll back the prescribed test program, but even after that the plane would go into the hands of Lipetsk aces, who would pull all the wires out of it in order to clearly understand what the plane can and what cannot

                        The Su-27 had the same "" armament of the Su-27 was adopted by a government decree of August 23, 1990. At that time, the Su-27 had been in operation for 5 years. From the combat units, the first in June 1985, the Su-27 were received by the pilots of the 60th IAP of the Far Eastern VO (Dzemgi). By 1989, Su-27 aircraft were in service with 16 combat units of the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of the USSR. "
                        http://www.sukhoi.org/planes/military/su27sk/history/" Су-27 первых серий имел ворох ограничений в РЛЭ
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        This is understandable, but the question is - how many of your recommended 60 000 flight hours did the aircraft spend without piloting restrictions?

                        Of these, 30 hours in this year alone. They are now flying a lot and are participating in combined arms exercises.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Okay, let's wait for 2019 of the year. It’s not long to wait :)))

                        why 2019 ??? from July 2015 combat readiness F-35B (in 2017, the flight to live in Japan), F-35A from 2016 August. There will be admission to hostilities. For example, the B-2 first combat flew in the IOC.
                        PS
                        In Denmark, the F-35 won the tender against Eurofter, the F-35 was much cheaper and more efficient in the tender.
            2. yehat
              yehat 26 May 2016 17: 46
              +1
              Well, why are you protecting a dead penguin? Well, the plane is not ready, why not just admit it?
              I think there is no one on the site who is fully up to date with the list of problems and therefore the details are not important laughing
              1. Kasym
                Kasym 26 May 2016 18: 49
                0
                In my opinion. Ok software. And what we see in Syria is the operation of electronic warfare systems. How to deal with this? After all, they rely on strikes from distances without entering into the near maneuver. the fight. But I’m afraid missiles in-in will not be able to overcome electronic warfare systems. Then there is only melee with AP, and this is not for the F-35. This, in my opinion, is a big problem for the F-35 - you need another plane. hi
        2. Alexez
          Alexez 26 May 2016 15: 34
          +1
          so after all the problems remained only with the software. All other performance characteristics are brought to the required. And the software will improve all the time. There is no limit to improving avionics.

          I’m not sure that everything is so simple. Dopilit software type patch to put - this is not flying windows. Controllers that have their limitations, CPU, data bus, and a lot of all sorts of problems with related software. Although the analogy of the F-35 with flying windows is quite the place to be)))
    3. adept666
      adept666 26 May 2016 14: 18
      +4
      And what’s charming here, these planes of all three modifications have already released 170 pieces and 121 is still in the final stage.
      The nice thing is that they have problems and apparently not very small. There would be a number of them, and so only if they had no problems would it be sadder wink The aircraft will certainly be delivered sooner or later, but the question is, on which versions will patches be possible?
      1. iwind
        iwind 26 May 2016 20: 04
        0
        Quote: adept666
        The nice thing is that they have problems and apparently not very small. There would be a number of them, and so only if they had no problems it would be sadder The aircraft will certainly be delivered sooner or later, but the question is, on which versions will patches be possible?

        Not really, but what is surprising that there are problems in the new software? The main thing they have already done this year is completed BLOCK 3I. Let’s go to make a new problem, but in another way it doesn’t happen in our world.
        I can say right away that any plane will have new problems when testing new systems, for which tests and tests do this.
        1. adept666
          adept666 27 May 2016 06: 02
          +1
          Not really, but what is surprising that there are problems in the new software?
          Absolutely nothing. smile We rejoice at this, but are not surprised - it’s like different things wink
          I can say right away that any plane will have new problems when testing new systems, for which tests and tests do this.
          Of course, and the more of those who call us the main threat and prepare for war with us, the better for us. As for the 35th car is interesting, the idea is good, the implementation is still 4-ku, but by washing it will not be washed. Another thing is that the general excuse with software problems has already put on a sore edge (well, in fact, just like the statements in which US politicians use the word DEMOCRACY). Whatever the problem, everything rests on software laughing Can we take this evil software and cancel it? It's very convenient to write everything off to software, because software can be rewritten forever ...
    4. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 26 May 2016 14: 23
      +2
      170 irons that do not fly properly and cannot use weapons !!!!
      1. demchuk.ig
        demchuk.ig 26 May 2016 14: 49
        -8
        Quote: Alex_Rarog
        170 irons that do not fly properly and cannot use weapons !!!!

        I think they will bring the board, sooner or later. And the plane is good, with the existing shortcomings (like it or not). Our Bulava also does not fly, but it will fly! So you need to take this board for granted.
        1. Altona
          Altona 26 May 2016 15: 01
          +4
          Quote: demchuk.ig
          I think they will finish the board sooner or later.

          --------------------
          Probably they will, but by that time the relevance of this aircraft will be lost in the grandmother's closet. Russia and China have perfect radars that can see this device far away. Means of dealing with it are also available, so this aircraft has no chance of delivering a "quiet" and dastardly strike. He is not advised to meddle in a dog fight. So it doesn't make much sense.
        2. Muvka
          Muvka 26 May 2016 15: 14
          +3
          Quote: demchuk.ig
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          170 irons that do not fly properly and cannot use weapons !!!!

          I think they will bring the board, sooner or later. And the plane is good, with the existing shortcomings (like it or not). Our Bulava also does not fly, but it will fly! So you need to take this board for granted.

          You got with the Mace. She had problems at the start, now she flies perfectly.
          1. demchuk.ig
            demchuk.ig 26 May 2016 17: 01
            -2
            Quote: Muvka
            You got with the Mace. She had problems at the start, now she flies perfectly.

            Where and when? Partially successful launches? And with scanty thrown weight? And the weight reserve for overcoming missile defense?
          2. yehat
            yehat 26 May 2016 17: 55
            +3
            Mace has problems at the start, but at the assembly. There is no quality control, hence the problems. Today it is problematic at the start, tomorrow during transportation, after tomorrow somewhere else. This is the essence of the problems with the Mace. Well, this is multiplied by the lies of the manufacturer’s management, a muhlezh with the declared performance characteristics. In fact, the entire leadership needs to be planted for fraud on an especially large scale and look for sane people who will honestly and competently lead the project.
        3. quote
          quote 26 May 2016 15: 40
          0
          Quote: demchuk.ig
          Quote: Alex_Rarog
          170 irons that do not fly properly and cannot use weapons !!!!

          I think they will bring the board, sooner or later. And the plane is good, with the existing shortcomings (like it or not). Our Bulava also does not fly, but it will fly! So you need to take this board for granted.

          Repeat "board" twice, is it like proximity to aviation?
          Oil and gas workers, everything that flies home (from the watch and back) is also called "board". Vo, how it is.
          1. demchuk.ig
            demchuk.ig 26 May 2016 16: 55
            0
            Quote: devis
            Repeat "board" twice, is it like proximity to aviation?

            And how do you know to what extent close to aviation?
        4. Homo
          Homo 26 May 2016 16: 12
          +1
          "The very completion of state tests and the acceptance of the Yuri Dolgoruky nuclear submarine into the Navy indicates that all issues have been resolved, including the Bulava missile system," Shoigu said at the end of the communication session.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 May 2016 15: 08
        +1
        So the fact of the matter is that the F 35 flies perfectly - not a single accident happened.
        1. Alexez
          Alexez 26 May 2016 15: 37
          +8
          Just flying and completing combat missions is a bit different things. Shit too, sorry, not a bad swim.
      3. yehat
        yehat 26 May 2016 17: 51
        0
        All aircraft require refinement. I remind you that during the Su-27 tests, due to software problems, the plane reached supercritical angles and fell apart, the pilot died.
        I don’t feel any gloating about the penguin’s problems, but it’s nice to realize that many were right, that the fighter was far from complete and that the parity in the form of t50 was not critical.
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 May 2016 14: 25
      +10
      Quote: Vadim237
      And what’s charming here, these planes of all three modifications have already released 170 pieces and 121 is still in the final stage.

      The good news is that we had at least two more years to re-equip and update the fleet of military aircraft of the Aerospace Forces such as the SU-30, SU-35 and SU-34, improvements on the T-50 and S-500, as well as the replacement of the C complexes -30OSP on the S-350 "Vityaz". This is so offhand.
      Well and at the same time, it gives us work related to the new hyper-sound interceptor PAK DP.
    6. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 26 May 2016 14: 27
      +11
      Quote: Vadim237
      And what’s charming here, these planes of all three modifications have already released 170 pieces and 121 is still in the final stage.


      That's fine and let them stamp them further. Go broke faster. And this American trash can really fight only with the Papuans from New Guinea. Or do you doubt ?! Now the Israelis will tell you what kind of "unique" aircraft it is by all standards ... But it still does not fly! And apparently it will not fly soon. By the way, I read somewhere here how much an hour of flight on this "uber-plane" costs, I may be wrong, but in my opinion $ 75000. A total of 13 hours of flight minus $ 1 from the military budget ... Just don't tell me that they will still print money, print it is not a tricky business, the question of who will provide them with material values, there are fewer and fewer fools!
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 May 2016 22: 13
        +1
        "Only it doesn't fly so far! And apparently it won't fly soon." ////

        After all, "Unbelievers Thomas" ... winked
        Watch a beautiful video above, how 2 "flightless" fly over the Atlantic Ocean,
        from the States to Holland.
    7. Andrey K
      Andrey K 26 May 2016 14: 35
      +8
      Quote: Vadim237
      And what’s charming here, these planes of all three modifications have already released 170 pieces and 121 is still in the final stage.

      Yes, everything is fine here laughing
      I will reveal a military secret: Lockheed Martin promised to "give out to the mountain" 3174 units of these products, all the deadlines have passed, the customers are hysterical wassat
      And you and yours: "we have already produced 170 units and another 121 are under construction" ... laughing
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 May 2016 15: 23
        +1
        "I will reveal a military secret: Lockheed Martin promised to" give out to the mountain "3174 units of these products, all the deadlines have passed, the customers are hysterical." to hand over and did not plan.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 May 2016 17: 33
          +1
          Quote: Vadim237
          earlier they didn’t plan to take them.

          :))) As if, yes, just to carry out this program, the United States intended to produce and transfer combat units to 194 aircraft per year starting from 2010, i.e. according to the plans of the JSF program, it was expected that as of now in the US troops there will be 1 164 fully operational aircraft :)))
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 26 May 2016 21: 43
            +1
            "The United States intended to produce and transfer 194 aircraft per year to combat units" ////

            Don't be so strict fellow Lockheed is behind schedule, but is trying hard.
            Now they are collecting 5 per month, few, of course. But next year they switch to 8-9 a month, workshops
            expanded. Well, also in Italy and Japan the first in the assembly process.
            I think a total of 120 per year will be able to get out.
    8. K-50
      K-50 26 May 2016 14: 55
      +6
      Quote: Vadim237
      And what’s charming here, these planes of all three modifications have already released 170 pieces and 121 is still in the final stage.

      So imagine.
      Prior to launching the test series, Russia manufactured 6 fifth-generation aircraft, and your quantity is up to acceptance.
      Well, how can you call it, other than "drank"? request laughing
      1. adept666
        adept666 26 May 2016 16: 04
        0
        Prior to launch in a test series, Russia manufactured 6
        In general, there will be 10 of them according to plans. Personally, I'm waiting for the 9th with great interest smile
  2. Vend
    Vend 26 May 2016 14: 14
    +2
    Quote: Stiletto
    Pre-her-forested !!!! drinks

    The next president after Obama will deal with this misunderstanding. wink
  3. Sly
    Sly 26 May 2016 14: 19
    +6
    2018: Final F-35 testing postponed to 2028
    2028: Testing of the aircraft terminated due to the obsolescence of the project.
  4. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 26 May 2016 15: 03
    +3
    That's right, I think that all F-15 and F-16 should be scrapped or sold to the Middle East, and replaced with F-22. Continue in the same spirit. laughing
    1. yehat
      yehat 26 May 2016 17: 57
      0
      it’s easier to cast 400 pieces of life-size penguin monuments from gold. And cheaper and faster.
  • Leto
    Leto 26 May 2016 14: 08
    0
    Small clarification. We are talking about the F-35A, the F-35B with firmware is all right, do not complain.
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 May 2016 14: 28
      +3
      Quote: Leto
      It's about the F-35A

      And this modification is the main and most numerous. wink And by the way, don’t tell me under what doctrine the applications of Lightning are created.
    2. Andrey K
      Andrey K 26 May 2016 14: 28
      +7
      Quote: Leto
      Small clarification. We are talking about the F-35A, the F-35B with firmware is all right, do not complain.

      And who does not complain about the F-35B? Who is it in operation?
      The model you are talking about is for the United States Marine Corps and no one else. I'm wondering on whose opinion you are relying on claiming that: "everything is in order with the firmware, do not complain" ... request
      Should US Marines complain? They are disinterested in revealing the flaws of this trough. Just for the reason that other modifications of this miracle of technology, you just need to vparit wassat
      Otherwise, everything invested and stolen will not pay off request
      Of the planned 340 units of the F-35B: there are 39 in the USA and 3 in England request
      As I understand it, there are no complaints about him. laughing
      1. Leto
        Leto 26 May 2016 14: 40
        -1
        Quote: Andrey K
        And who does not complain about the F-35B? Who is it in operation?

        ILC
        Quote: Andrey K
        I'm wondering on whose opinion you are relying on claiming that "everything is in order with the firmware, do not complain" ...

        They wrote on Defense News
        http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/05/24/marine-pilots-say-
        software-rarely-problem-f-35b / 84816760 /
        Quote: Andrey K
        The model you are talking about

        You may have noticed my comment begins with the phrase "A little clarification" that you are so turned on?
        1. Andrey K
          Andrey K 26 May 2016 15: 01
          +8
          Quote: Leto

          ILC USA ...
          They wrote in Defense News ...
          You may have noticed my comment begins with the phrase "A little clarification" that you are so turned on?

          Dear Ivan!
          I have a law degree, and I assure you that verbiage you will not pass me laughing
          Quote: Leto
          ILC USA ...

          I explain, without the specialists from DefenseNews: what you "specified" and stated about the defect-freeness, the F-35B has been in operation since 2012 for educational purposes. The operators, and this is the ILC, could only write complaints to the manufacturer. Neither I, nor You, nor DefenseNews will ever know about the content of these complaints. And if suddenly, what an eccentric, he publishes this information - he has a direct road to a kick in the ass from the armed forces and a prison for disclosure, this is in any state, not only in the USA request
    3. yehat
      yehat 26 May 2016 17: 58
      +1
      complain because the software is the same.
      1. iwind
        iwind 26 May 2016 19: 47
        0
        Quote: yehat
        complain because the software is the same.

        miscellaneous Blcok 2B in the F-35B KMP and Block 3i and Blcok 3F
        Quote: Andrey K
        Let me explain, without the specialists from DefenseNews: what you "specified" for and stated that it is defect-free, the F-35B has been operated for training purposes since 2012. Operators, and this is the ILC

        Well, actually since July 2015, he has been declared combat ready and yes, the ILC has all the rules they have different software.
  • techie
    techie 26 May 2016 14: 10
    +4
    Earlier media repeatedly noted that the latest F-35 was mired in problems

    The main problem is corruption in the US military-industrial complex, and this problem has no solution to date. Accordingly, the fate of the F-35 is also in a big, big fog. Let American taxpayers have a headache for him.
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 26 May 2016 14: 49
      0
      Quote: techie
      The main problem is corruption in the US defense industry,

      There is no corruption in the USA; lobbying is permitted there by law.
  • pavelty
    pavelty 26 May 2016 14: 10
    +3
    Somehow everything is wrong with them, we first have all sorts of tests and refinements, and then mass production. These wiseacres have already launched into the series and riveted the semi-finished product.
    1. Leto
      Leto 26 May 2016 14: 16
      -2
      Quote: pavlentiy
      Somehow everything is wrong with them, we first have all sorts of tests and refinements, and then mass production. These wiseacres have already launched into the series and riveted the semi-finished product.

      We have exactly the same. First, the ICG, acceptance into service, then the break-in in the troops. Somewhat crudely written, but in a general sense so. Any new product undergoes further testing in the army, not all jambs are detected immediately, this requires a very large raid on the clock. Problems with the firmware are of course unpleasant, but they are not as dangerous for the entire program as problems with a glider for example or an engine.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 26 May 2016 14: 24
        +7
        Quote: Leto
        We have exactly the same. First, the ICE, acceptance into service, then the break-in in the troops.

        For the Americans, only for some reason, between the "acceptance" and "running", the export is inserted lol
      2. K-50
        K-50 26 May 2016 15: 07
        +4
        Quote: Leto
        Problems with the firmware are of course unpleasant, but they are not so dangerous


        A plane whose software requires a reboot for normal flight or the use of weapons directly during the flight (sorry for the tautalogy), you call not pleasant, but not dangerous? belay
        And if you need to reboot over the village and it does not succeed? And all this crap will fall on residential buildings, but what if it also comes with weapons?
        Aren't you funny yourself? Although it may be funny at home, it’s not yours under it. request laughing
      3. yehat
        yehat 26 May 2016 18: 01
        0
        they wrote somewhere that the marine version of the F-35 has insoluble problems with the position of the hook and the necessary accuracy when landing, and that this is a very unpleasant problem.
  • Krsk
    Krsk 26 May 2016 14: 11
    +9
    ... however, no matter what, its production continues. crying

    PS mice cried but ate a cactus.
  • iwind
    iwind 26 May 2016 14: 14
    +6
    in essence, it has nothing to do with it anymore.
    As planned, the adoption of the F-35A Block 3I on august 2016, that's all.
    1. srelock
      srelock 26 May 2016 15: 01
      +3
      Quote: iwind
      in essence, it has nothing to do with it anymore.
      As planned, the adoption of the F-35A Block 3I on august 2016, that's all.

      And where to go? What happened is what they accept, but this is not the first time for them, so everything is fine laughing
      1. iwind
        iwind 26 May 2016 19: 22
        +1
        Quote: srelock

        And where to go? What happened is what they accept, but this is not the first time for them, so everything is fine laughing

        uh, you write nonsense. Such a plan is still valid since 2012 that the adoption of the F-35A in 2016 in the BLOCK 3I configuration. The fact that there is a slight delay on Block 3f- is not about anything since the deadline is 2019. A shift of 2-4 months is nonsense, until the fall of 2017 or January 2018.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 26 May 2016 22: 02
          0
          Quote: iwind
          Such a plan is still valid since 2012 that the adoption of the F-35A in 2016 in the BLOCK 3I configuration.

          emnip changes.
          1. iwind
            iwind 26 May 2016 22: 23
            0
            Quote: saturn.mmm
            emnip changes

            in which then? Blcok 3i for F-35a and Block 2B for F-35b
            for 2013 there was a report to Congress on dates. So the order itself was before that.
            http://breakingdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2013/05/F-35_IOC_Joint_Rep
            ort_FINAL.pdf
            Air Force F-35A initial operational capability (IOC) shall be declared when the first
            operational squadron is equipped with 12-24 aircraft, and Airmen are trained, manned, and equipped to conduct basic Close Air Support (CAS), Interdiction, and limited Suppression and Destruction of Enemy Air Defense (SEAD / DEAD) operations in a contested
            environment. Based on the current F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) schedule, the F-35A
            will reach the IOC milestone between August 2016 (Objective) and December 2016
            (Threshold). Should capability delivery experience changes or delays, this estimate will berevised appropriately
        2. srelock
          srelock 27 May 2016 00: 23
          0
          Quote: iwind
          uh, you write nonsense.

          Plan - there is a plan, the Pentagon paid the money for it. So they do it ... as they can laughing Where is the stupidity?

          By the way, you have decided how, after all, DAS measures distance?
          http://topwar.ru/68573-f-35-vybor-oruzhiya.html#comment-id-4110901
          1. iwind
            iwind 27 May 2016 22: 05
            0
            Quote: srelock
            Plan - there is a plan, the Pentagon paid the money for it. So they do it ... how can they? Where is the stupidity here?

            Well, because not as they can, but according to earlier commitments. There were no changes
            http://breakingdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2013/05/F-35_IOC_Joint_Rep


            ort_FINAL.pdf
            Quote: srelock
            By the way, you have decided how, after all, DAS measures distance?
            http://topwar.ru/68573-f-35-vybor-oruzhiya.html#comment-id-4110901

            Have you got something new?
            And I have a couple of counter questions.
            How is this video you referred to about the transfer of F-35b to 2019 ....

            And where are these helmets for Pak-fa (now even on the T-50-6, conventional ZS is used)? already a year has passed. At least once did they rise in air, or didn’t they leave the concept further?
            http://vk.com/wall-31794821_183685
            1. srelock
              srelock 4 June 2016 15: 23
              0
              Well, I say that they will accept their "craft" on time in any form, and they will finish it later.
              The video hasn’t changed, I didn’t say anything about 2019, and I’m still waiting for the end of this fascinating and dramatic series called JSF laughing The ending promises to be exciting good
              If it is not interesting to watch - 14:00

              You have the old version in the picture, the new one looks like this:

              and from him "simple pissing with mortal rags were driven away", but said that less than 2 kg. and what about the T -50.

              PS. To emoticons, etc. do not pay attention, the idea of ​​JSF in itself is not bad, but the embodiment of it ... fool laughing
  • megafair
    megafair 26 May 2016 14: 19
    0
    Hah, not surprisingly, their F-22 Raptor still has problems, and how many years have passed. Pilots refuse to fly it, because the life support system has repeatedly failed, they call it a flying coffin. I feel the F-35 has the same perspective.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 26 May 2016 14: 24
    0
    That is, then at least still change the software for almost aircraft? And most likely also part of the electronics. They will cut the money ... for a couple more hundred maybachs.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 May 2016 14: 25
    +3
    Well, the wind in their back. While the information is "fried", one should be wary of it. Think of Starfighter. How many pilots did he kill? But at first everything was so beautiful! With this plane for a long time all sorts of misunderstandings.
    Yes, and he is ugly. Like the Chinese, it’s just some ugly duckling. My aesthetic feeling suggests that this wunderwaffle will not fly too well. Electronics it may have a super-duper, but the plane FLY must, far, quickly and still maneuver ...
  • Irbis77
    Irbis77 26 May 2016 14: 29
    +2
    Frank Kendall, Head of Defense Procurement, Pentagon. the author with a surname was mistaken .. Frank Kidalov. throws the American people to the fullest. Well, okay.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 26 May 2016 14: 30
    +1
    As practice shows, the simpler the system, the more reliable it is. As an exaggerated example, you can take the Mauser rifle, Kalash. And Western systems, in my opinion, are too overloaded with electronics that does not allow the pilot to directly control. Here it is necessary to determine, or a complete robot (which is impossible at the moment) or refuse extra bells and whistles.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 26 May 2016 14: 43
      0
      "And Western systems, in my opinion, are too overloaded with electronics
      which does not allow the pilot to directly control "////

      Why should the pilot be controlled? Almost everything can now be performed by an auto pilot, including
      bends and aerobatics. Moreover, the auto pilot will make it safer,
      than a pilot.
      And the pilot needs to focus on finding targets, shooting and work
      in the group - transmission / reception / analysis of information from other aircraft and ground forces.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 26 May 2016 14: 33
    +3
    To make it clearer:
    Now airplanes that are already flying (about 200 units) have 89% of the maximum
    planned program code.
    The remaining 11% of the code is NOT related to flight, to the control of the aircraft (therefore, planes fly
    without crashes), but only to the integration of all weapon systems, interface capabilities and built-in
    training programs.

    How would you explain it more clearly? For example, it was planned that the Su-35 should carry the BR "Brahmos".
    And the software for this is not ready yet. This does not mean that the Su-35 cannot fly and fight with the rest of its weapons, but only that it cannot (yet) let Bramosa into the enemy.

    • Block 3i - Block 3i provides the same tactical capabilities as Block 2B. The principal difference between 2B and 3i is the implementation of new hardware, specifically the updated Integrated Core Processor.
    The Air Force will declare IOC with Block 3i. With Block 3i,
    89 percent of code required for full warfighting capability is flying.
    • Block 3F - Block 3F provides 100 percent of the software required for full warfighting capability,
    including but not limited to data link imagery, full weapons and embedded training.
    1. Operator
      Operator 26 May 2016 15: 04
      +2
      No need to try to distort the words of the Pentagon representatives - they clearly indicated that the state tests of the F-35 as a combat aircraft are planned only in two years. Prior to this, the Penguin can be operated without data transmission from avionics to outboard aviation weapons, i.e. in the cannon fighter mode of World War II.

      Moreover, there is no need to spread misinformation about the alleged unavailability of the Su-35S multifunctional fighter (it has already been tested in Syria) to take on board any suspended aircraft weapons. The Su-35S has a proven data link as part of the S-107-1 onboard communications system. India will buy the Su-35S - the joint-development KR "Brahmos" will connect the flight.

      PS Congratulations on your new Israeli Air Force F / T-35 Penguin training aircraft laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 May 2016 15: 38
        0
        You are in a hurry with congratulations - in December
        will be something to congratulate. But thanks anyway. fellow

        And we have no problems with the development / refinement of software - this is a favorite Israeli hobby.
        F-35s are sold to us along with the full software code, which
        Already adapts to our weapons.
        So by the time of receipt of all weapons: and in the internal
        compartments, and on external pylons will be functional.
        And the pilots have been training for a long time. In December, you can immediately
        go on combat missions.
        1. Diana Ilyina
          Diana Ilyina 26 May 2016 16: 13
          +7
          Quote: voyaka uh
          And the pilots have been training for a long time. In December, you can immediately
          go on combat missions.


          Flag in hand and drum on the neck! But at the same time do not forget to put a chisel and a hammer in the cockpit in case of emergency evacuation! And then suddenly your uberpupers supermega when bailout a pilot, the system will ask for a reboot ...! laughing
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 26 May 2016 16: 32
            +5
            "Flag in hand and a drum on the neck!" ////

            Thank you, good people have not yet been translated ... love
            I also wish you to bring the T-50 project to combat status as soon as possible.
            Do not tighten.
        2. yehat
          yehat 26 May 2016 18: 08
          +1
          and what are they training on?
    2. yehat
      yehat 26 May 2016 18: 05
      +2
      as far as I found out, the F-35 has serious problems in interacting in a group. A single one seems to fly, but with group flight the problems are so great that there have already been several incidents when cars urgently planted a carrot laughing
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 May 2016 23: 27
        -2
        This is interesting information.
        It splits into two parts: "A single one seems to be flying" - I was overjoyed ... good

        Two: "but with a group flight, the problems are so big," - belay group flight
        the F-35 differs from the usual one in that there is no communication on the radio between the pilots.
        the interaction is carried out by the notes of each on the display, which the whole group sees.
        Moreover, the group is dispersed over a wide front without visual contact.
        This case is very new, and jambs are undoubtedly possible. But this is the beauty of flexible software,
        that the iron does not need to be redone, and shovel only software.
  • Operator
    Operator 26 May 2016 14: 33
    +1
    The "look" cited only part of the message from Reuters - the Pentagon spokesman also announced the total cost of the F-35 program after the release of all 3000 planned aircraft (taking into account R&D funding, production costs and operating costs) - 1,5 trillion US dollars or half a billion per aircraft.

    "Saw, Shura, saw" (C)
    1. cap
      cap 26 May 2016 14: 47
      0
      frank


      Quote: Operator
      The "look" cited only part of the message from Reuters - the Pentagon spokesman also announced the total cost of the F-35 program after the release of all 3000 planned aircraft (taking into account R&D funding, production costs and operating costs) - 1,5 trillion US dollars or half a billion per aircraft.

      "Saw, Shura, saw" (C)


      Everything flies with him, "... tiki nizenko, nizenko" laughing
  • masiya
    masiya 26 May 2016 14: 36
    +1
    Let them work, the more trash they rivet, the more money they spend, the main thing is not to interfere with their military-industrial complex to steal ... the most interesting thing is to fill your pockets at the expense of US taxpayers, that's the flag in their hands ...
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 26 May 2016 14: 36
    +1
    Yes, shoot him! What are you torturing, flayers?
  • Stabilization
    Stabilization 26 May 2016 14: 40
    -2
    Call Savchenko under meldonium, she will fix your mustache in a flash ...
  • wadulya
    wadulya 26 May 2016 14: 43
    +1
    Kremlin agents work at LokhKid, bully
  • NordUral
    NordUral 26 May 2016 14: 51
    +4
    Guys, let's not be fools, rejoicing thoughtlessly. They will bring him to mind, no matter how much it costs them. We must rejoice at our successes and that there is something to answer with dignity.
  • VladimS
    VladimS 26 May 2016 14: 53
    +1
    Quote: techie
    The main problem is corruption in the US military-industrial complex, and this problem has no solution to date. Accordingly, the fate of the F-35 is also in big, big fog.

    ..And these people forbid someone to "pick their nose" ?! laughing
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 26 May 2016 14: 53
    +1
    The final test of the latest American fighter F-35 was postponed to 2018

    not in the "horse" feed. Long ago they would have hammered on him and made a new one, selling what is to their vassals bending them a little while.
  • Yak-15
    Yak-15 26 May 2016 15: 03
    +1
    Speaking in such a way that it would be clear to everyone, to the airplane - tytspytsdyts! Will fight, but only in the sky of Hollywood, with Bruce Willis sitting at the helm. There will be no equal to him.
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 26 May 2016 15: 04
    +8
    [quote = Andrey K]
    .. "super-maneuverable" slack ....
    Dear, you are not joking, please, otherwise someone will really think that the emphasis of the Nodo should be on "super-maneuverable", and not on slack: -?
  • Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 26 May 2016 15: 11
    0
    Quote: Wend
    Quote: Stiletto
    Pre-her-forested !!!! drinks

    The next president after Obama will deal with this misunderstanding. wink

    Will he rivet himself?
  • Berkut24
    Berkut24 26 May 2016 15: 52
    0
    I cut it all! Aircraft revolution in the aircraft industry. But a well-planned revolution, even paid in Congress, has a beginning, but no end.
    1. Yak-15
      Yak-15 26 May 2016 16: 37
      0
      Hinting that there is never much money?))))))
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Verdun
      Verdun 26 May 2016 19: 12
      0
      Quote: Berkut24
      I cut it all!

      Does this mean that our sawing specialists have room to grow? So they themselves know about it. They are trying, ill, but to take such a bar is not for you to sing "Slippers" ...
  • Skubudu
    Skubudu 26 May 2016 16: 33
    +3
    Mattresses get such a normal plane, I’m glad that our probable enemy will have slow, low and not far flying, poorly maneuvering fighters that are not able to overcome our air defense,
  • beer-youk
    beer-youk 26 May 2016 18: 15
    +1
    Quote: Stiletto
    States, even with imperfections, are ready to rivet it and push it into their partners,


    I ask you to pardon me, but not to "vtyuhivat", but to drive in with an iron and a soldering iron!
  • Verdun
    Verdun 26 May 2016 19: 07
    0
    At the same time, he noted that “this problem has nothing to do with the already known malfunctions, due to which the aircraft’s control system stops working and has to be restarted”.
    An interesting comment. I would like to understand, but at least some of the problems of the small but very proud bird F-35 have been finally solved? Do new ones arise after solving old ones, or are they revealed. what is called "to the heap"? And can a situation still arise when the burden of unresolved problems will outweigh the scales on which the money and patience of Pentagon officials lie?
  • Приговор
    Приговор 26 May 2016 21: 40
    0
    Poor Israelis. May God give them strength to survive this blow. laughing
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 26 May 2016 22: 57
      0
      Thank. We have already survived so many blows: Messerschmitt, Mirages, Phantoms, F-16 ...
      We survive this one. crying
  • MolGro
    MolGro 27 May 2016 05: 58
    +2
    Meanwhile, made the first flight of the T-50-6-2.
    There are noticeable changes that covered the engine.
    We are waiting for RPP painting and engine 2 stages.
  • Winnie76
    Winnie76 28 May 2016 01: 05
    0
    Warrior, we believe in Jewish genius. One Professor is worth wink Possessing the F-35 you will tear all hezbollons into small kosher rags ...