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India chose Israeli supplier of air defense systems

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The government of India has decided on the supplier of short-range air defense systems - it will be the Israeli company Rafael, reports Look With reference to the newspaper Economic Times.




The tender was held as part of the development program for the Indian Short-Range Missile System (SRSAM), which was launched at 2011. The cost of the potential contract is estimated at $ 279 million.

“India has decided to opt for the Spyder system, which is produced by the Israeli company Rafael. Its competitors were the Swedish industrial group SAAB and the Russian Rosoboronexport, ”a source told the newspaper.

“The next step will be the start of negotiations on the value of the transaction,” he added.

The newspaper reminds that the Indian army "is already armed with the Spyder system, which are deployed in border areas, but not within the framework of the SRSAM program."

This contract will have to provide for "technology transfer and offset (reverse investment of the exporter in the importing country, that is, Israel to India) in the amount of about 90 million dollars," the newspaper writes.

The article notes that the Indian Defense Ministry "expects to create at least two air defense regiments, in which there will be 1,8 thousand missiles." At the same time, the military placed an order for domestic Akash systems. However, Indian-made missiles do not meet all the requirements of the command, which, in fact, caused the search weapons abroad.

Help newspaper: “Spyder is a short-range anti-aircraft missile system. Elements of the air defense missile system are mounted on the Tatra vehicle chassis (wheel formula - 6 × 6). Depending on the anti-aircraft missiles used, the range of destruction reaches from 15 to 20 km, the height of the destruction of targets - to 9 km. "
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  1. oldseaman1957
    oldseaman1957 26 May 2016 12: 57
    +1
    Everything is correct. Israeli air defenses performed excellently against the Palestinian Qassams. Along the way, these are the same rockets that form the basis of the Iron Dome.
    1. Pavel Ordynsky
      Pavel Ordynsky 26 May 2016 13: 01
      -7
      It’s time for the Indians to do the SAMs themselves if they want to be a great power.
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 26 May 2016 13: 03
        +29
        Quote: Pavel Ordynsky
        to the Indians it's time for ourselves
        Hindus, old times, Hindus ...
        1. inkass_98
          inkass_98 26 May 2016 13: 20
          +23
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          Quote: Pavel Ordynsky
          to the Indians it's time for ourselves
          Hindus, old times, Hindus ...

          Indians, gentlemen, Indians laughing .
          Columbus was mistakenly named the Indians by the Americans because he believed that he had sailed to India, and the Indians - people who profess Hinduism, one of the main religions of India.
        2. Pavel Ordynsky
          Pavel Ordynsky 26 May 2016 13: 26
          -14%
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          Hindus, old times, Hindus ...


          what's the difference
          1. Homo
            Homo 26 May 2016 16: 22
            +1
            Quote: Pavel Ordynsky
            what's the difference

            Can I call you not Pavel but Nasty? What a difference!
            1. Pavel Ordynsky
              Pavel Ordynsky 26 May 2016 16: 46
              -1
              Quote: Homo
              Quote: Pavel Ordynsky
              what's the difference

              Can I call you not Pavel but Nasty? What a difference!


              you yourself are dirty
              1. Homo
                Homo 26 May 2016 17: 44
                +1
                So all the same there is a difference! Or just for "yourself beloved"? wink
                1. Pavel Ordynsky
                  Pavel Ordynsky 26 May 2016 18: 28
                  -15%
                  Quote: Homo
                  So all the same there is a difference! Or just for "yourself beloved"? wink


                  Well, I'm a dirty trick, and you
                  1. HERMES
                    HERMES 26 May 2016 18: 56
                    +2
                    Quote: Pavel Ordynsky
                    you yourself are dirty

                    Quote: Homo
                    So all the same there is a difference! Or just for "yourself beloved"? wink

                    Quote: Pavel Ordynsky
                    Well, I'm a dirty trick, and you


                    Goodbye Comrade Pavel hi ... take a steam bath in the BAN ...
                    1. Bayonet
                      Bayonet 26 May 2016 20: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: HERMES
                      Goodbye comrade Pavel ... take a steam bath in the BAN ...

                      For such blatant rudeness, ban is another easy punishmenthi
                    2. Pavel Ordynsky
                      Pavel Ordynsky 26 May 2016 21: 04
                      -8
                      this homosexual first began to call names, and as for my definition, it was not me who invented, but he himself was called homo negative
                      1. HERMES
                        HERMES 26 May 2016 22: 24
                        +1
                        Quote: Pavel Ordynsky
                        this homosexual first began to call names, and as for my definition, it was not me who invented, but he himself was called homo negative


                        Comrade ... there are some very interesting people here ... they don’t like such conversations here. You are rude ... well, don’t stoop to his level.
            2. alexmach
              alexmach 27 May 2016 09: 24
              0
              Can I call you not Pavel but Nasty? What a difference!


              And Germans, you respected as you call?
        3. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 26 May 2016 13: 39
          +1
          Quote: Pavel Ordynsky
          It’s time for the Indians to do the SAMs themselves if they want to be a great power.
          So they do. Hindus are generally wonderful guys and they are engaged in (as befits all great powers) practically everything. Well, maybe atomic icebreakers do not let out as unnecessary, although maybe I missed something and they already riveted a couple. That's only their quality lame. The quality of design and individual components and components. Well, and probably not enough experience, smart and quick brains to insert into the rocket and ground equipment.
          In an article about this, it is said that Indian anti-aircraft guns are inferior in capabilities:
          At the same time, the military placed an order for domestic Akash systems. However, Indian-made missiles do not meet all the requirements of the command, which, in fact, determines the search for weapons abroad.
          Although someone reminds me of their "Akash" winkedAlthough the Americans even had a hand in the development of some elements there. In general, this hodgepodge, although it’s its own, is not super. I’m sure that they will modernize and in general the development of air defense systems in India will receive a new impetus for development after the Israeli order.
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      2. neri73-r
        neri73-r 26 May 2016 13: 23
        +1
        It’s time for the Indians to do the SAMs themselves if they want to be a great power.

        Hindus, old times, Hindus ...


        While there will be a pebble under the front left wheel, as in the picture for the article, it will not be a Great Power, the production culture and maintenance of equipment, however ........., although there are chances.
      3. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 26 May 2016 14: 08
        0
        Quote: Pavel Ordynsky
        It’s time for the Indians to do the SAMs themselves if they want to be a great power.

        I agree ... and let them poke their complexes around the "zone" 51, and fuck "unidentified objects" ...
      4. atalef
        atalef 26 May 2016 20: 21
        +4
        Quote: Pavel Ordynsky
        It’s time for the Indians to do the SAMs themselves if they want to be a great power.

        It is not so simple, the basis is a radar, and radars of this class can produce units in the world.
        1. andj61
          andj61 26 May 2016 21: 03
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: Pavel Ordynsky
          It’s time for the Indians to do the SAMs themselves if they want to be a great power.

          It is not so simple, the basis is a radar, and radars of this class can produce units in the world.

          Here, not only the radar is important, you also need a rocket in accordance with the data received by the radar, teach to fly. And with this often there are plugs ...
          Therefore, manufacturers of decent air defense systems in the world can be counted on the fingers.
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 26 May 2016 13: 27
      +3
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Along the way, these are the same rockets that form the basis of the Iron Dome.

      But "Vika" claims that "Tamir" missile is used in "Kumpol". laughing
      Quote: Vika claims
      Rocket "Tamir" (Hebrew טמי"ר)
      Missile length - 3 m
      Diameter - 160 mm
      Rocket mass - 90 kg
      Guidance system - active radar. The missile hits the target by commands received from the radar, which is located on the rocket itself.
      There is anonymous information on potential plans to increase the range to 250 km [30].

      Rafael reports that the Iron Dome system can shoot down aircraft at altitudes up to 10 km.
      For 2012, each launch of an Iron Dome system rocket cost 30-40 thousand US dollars [
    3. Achilles
      Achilles 26 May 2016 13: 29
      0
      No matter how India regrets its choice, this complex has a significant disadvantage, namely, if the target arrives from the side or from the back, all the khans, and our Shell-C2 azimuth of the review 360 degrees (reaction time 4-6 sec.), due to mechanical rotation, the height of the target is up to 15km, and this one has 9km.
      1. Achilles
        Achilles 26 May 2016 14: 49
        -3
        Correction, I’ve made a mistake here. They have the MF STAR radar - a circular view. This complex has only 4 missiles, our Pantsir-C2 has 12 missiles and 1400 shells, I think this is an advantage. Interestingly, Spyder can shoot down tomahawks, as far as I know our Shell is called a tomahawk killer
        1. bert123
          bert123 26 May 2016 16: 15
          +6
          and how many tomahawks has this killer already killed?
          1. Achilles
            Achilles 27 May 2016 15: 15
            -1
            Tomahawk Hunter

          2. Achilles
            Achilles 27 May 2016 15: 17
            0
            Exercises (back in 2012) against a real cruise missile

        2. The comment was deleted.
        3. Achilles
          Achilles 27 May 2016 15: 22
          0
          Some people are minus, watch the video below
      2. Hon
        Hon 27 May 2016 00: 52
        0
        Personally revealed this flaw?
      3. Orionvit
        Orionvit 27 May 2016 22: 55
        0
        This once again proves what "good and reliable" allies they are in the field of military-technical cooperation. By the way, knowing the practice of the Indians to buy military equipment only on the condition of transferring technology, maybe they are just buying up technologies in this way that no one will sell them just like that. Who knows how to know.
    4. Lieutenant Izhe
      Lieutenant Izhe 26 May 2016 13: 34
      +2
      Everything is correct. Israeli air defenses performed excellently against the Palestinian Qassams.

      "in terms of" RADAR ...
      Palestinian self-made rusty pipe - "Qassam" is a dipole reflector moving LINEARLY (without covering up interference) NOT MANEUVERABLE air target ... - PERFECT target for training combat training skills!
      if the air defense system couldn’t bring down such a target, then ... request
    5. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 26 May 2016 14: 06
      0
      Apparently, "Tatra" coupled with "Rafael." sang well ... you can only congratulate. just don't go to the Outskirts, the Israelis, don't ...
    6. vkl.47
      vkl.47 26 May 2016 14: 13
      -1
      it’s interesting what they didn’t like about? there, in addition to rocket, you can also work with guns. For example, on small unmanned aerial vehicles
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 26 May 2016 15: 08
        +1
        Quote: vkl.47
        armor than they did not like interesting?
        Maybe he liked it. But the keywords in the reasons for the choice are

        This contract will have to provide for “technology transfer and offset (return investment by the exporter to the importing country, that is, Israel to India)
        Technology Indians will receive, they will create anti-aircraft systems themselves. They don’t have a desire to constantly acquire them on the side, because some suppliers will merge control codes, while others will freeze the supply of ammunition ...
        1. Nehist
          Nehist 27 May 2016 00: 19
          0
          To this we can add the disgusting work of our suppliers with always tolerable delivery dates for components
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 26 May 2016 20: 15
        +3
        Quote: vkl.47
        it’s interesting what they didn’t like about? there, in addition to rocket, you can also work with guns. For example, on small unmanned aerial vehicles

        maybe because of the words "armor", rocket, and "unmanned" ... although .. xs. maybe they, too, did not teach Turgenev and Prishvin with Pushkin ... The USE-works wonders ...
      3. Bayonet
        Bayonet 26 May 2016 20: 18
        +1
        Quote: vkl.47
        there, in addition to rocket, you can work with guns. for example, for small unmanned aerial vehicles

        Maybe, of course, they have already finalized it, but they wrote that "Pantsir" could not shoot down a small drone from a cannon and were forced to use a rocket. They shot down a rocket. hi
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 26 May 2016 20: 57
          +1
          Quote: Bayonet
          Maybe, of course, they have already finalized it, but they wrote that "Pantsir" could not shoot down a small drone from a cannon and were forced to use a rocket. They shot down a rocket.
          http://warfiles.ru/show-116873-pancir-s1-sklonen-perevorachivatsya-zapchasti-ino

          strannye.html
          just the buyers, we took a closer look ... (of course we’ll fix the nuances, but to the colleagues: thank you, for Your Managers, these jambs will hide ... don’t go to the grandmother.
          1. Parsec
            Parsec 26 May 2016 22: 57
            -2
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            but they wrote that "Pantsir" could not shoot down a small drone from a cannon and were forced to use a rocket.


            To shoot down a small drone is a non-trivial task for a complex whose typical target is a 15x15 m tactical fighter with a speed of 300 m / s or a 5x12 m helicopter with a speed of 80 m / s. It is in these areas that the Shell is firing its shells, moreover, accurately and quickly. And here the drone is 0.6x0.6 m, the consumption of shells is growing very quickly.
            These cowboys from the Colt fly a fly, it’s easier for them, they do not know the physics and ballistics, as well as automation with radar.
      4. andj61
        andj61 26 May 2016 21: 11
        +2
        Quote: vkl.47
        it’s interesting what they didn’t like about? there, in addition to rocket, you can also work with guns. For example, on small unmanned aerial vehicles

        We don’t like the carapace, many people think that Thor is much more effective than the carapace being pushed through now ...
    7. Bongo
      Bongo 26 May 2016 15: 08
      +3
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Everything is correct. Israeli air defenses performed excellently against the Palestinian Qassams. Along the way, these are the same rockets that form the basis of the Iron Dome.


      "Along the way, I don't even want to comment on what you wrote." Along the way, read here: The development and role of air defense systems in the air defense system.
    8. lopvlad
      lopvlad 26 May 2016 15: 39
      +1
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Israeli air defenses performed admirably against the Palestinian Qassams


      is it that those on the knee in the field collect?
      Let's be honest and frankly say that the Iron Dome is not 100% effective even against the Qassams (it lets about 10-20% of missiles in a massive shelling, and this is evidenced by the fact that the Qassams destroyed targets in Israel).
      Efficiency against massive shelling of modern missiles at the complex is not known to anyone.
      1. bert123
        bert123 26 May 2016 16: 17
        +5
        but the effectiveness of armor and S-XXX against the massive shelling of modern missiles is well known
    9. Homo
      Homo 26 May 2016 16: 20
      -1
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Israeli air defenses performed excellently against the Palestinian Qassams.

      Against what?
      Kassam, this primitive ground-to-ground missile, equipped only with a conventional warhead, can damage buildings and people who are not in a protected room. It is made of a hollow tube into which explosives are placed. In the tail part of the rocket, a device is installed for a special type of fuel, during the combustion of which gas is released that flows back and sets the rocket in motion. The fuel for Kassam consists of a simple mixture of white sugar with potassium nitrate KNO3, used in agriculture as a fertilizer. This mixture burns very quickly and, emitting a large amount of gas, allows the rocket to take off.
      And in your opinion, an indicator of the "steepness" of the air defense complex, the ability to shoot down this ??? belay
      1. atalef
        atalef 26 May 2016 20: 27
        +2
        Quote: Homo
        And in your opinion, an indicator of the "steepness" of the air defense complex, the ability to shoot down this ???

        pennies again for the fish. Well, start with that. that the pallets have not been firing at home for a long time, but at Grad. but from the point of view of ballistics. it’s even harder for Kasam to knock down because the artisanal production of this rocket gives a poorly calculated trajectory.
    10. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 26 May 2016 16: 51
      -1
      Those and not those. Those Jews will not sell to anyone.
    11. MACCABI-TLV
      MACCABI-TLV 27 May 2016 19: 25
      0
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Israeli air defenses performed excellently against the Palestinian Qassams.

      Air defense? No, the air defense did not show in any way, by the fact that Kassam, Fajer, and Grad are the work of near-range missile defense.
      Quote: oldseaman1957
      Along the way, these are the same rockets that form the basis of the Iron Dome.

      Again no. In Spider, the Derby and Python rockets, in Tamir LCD.
  2. Alexey-74
    Alexey-74 26 May 2016 12: 59
    -4
    The question is in Money .... I think our TOP and BEECH will be better than their Spider ....
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 26 May 2016 13: 06
      +9
      Quote: Alexey-74
      I think our TOP and BEECH will be better than their Spider ...
      It’s the same as comparing a machine gun with a howitzer. This is the air defense of the near cover.
      1. Parsec
        Parsec 26 May 2016 19: 32
        0
        Quote: oldseaman1957
        It’s the same as comparing a machine gun with a howitzer. This is the air defense of the near cover.


        Tor is a short range complex.
        Beech - medium range.

        You do not classify by word length?
        1. andj61
          andj61 26 May 2016 21: 18
          0
          Quote: Parsec
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          It’s the same as comparing a machine gun with a howitzer. This is the air defense of the near cover.


          Tor is a short range complex.
          Beech - medium range.

          You do not classify by word length?

          About the machine gun and the howitzer - the comparison is normal.
          Further - Thor - this is a tactical complex of military air defense (covers the brigade division), Buk - operational (army corps), S-300 and S-400 - this is the country's air defense.
          And about range - this is a matter of a different plan, and the S-300 has short-range modifications.
          1. Parsec
            Parsec 26 May 2016 22: 32
            0
            Quote: andj61
            S-300 has short-range modifications


            Short-range - up to 10 km far border of the affected area.

            Tell us about the S-300 short-range, very interesting.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 26 May 2016 13: 16
      +4
      Quote: Alexey-74
      The question is in Money .... I think our TOP and BEECH will be better than their Spider ....

      The issue is not only about money. The issue is Indian technology transfer requirements:
      This contract will have to provide for “technology transfer and offset (the return investment of the exporter to the importing country, that is, Israel to India) in the amount of about $ 90 million, ”the newspaper writes.
  3. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 26 May 2016 13: 00
    +15
    Well, here's how to conclude a contract, then we will rejoice, but for now only hope for a successful result.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 26 May 2016 13: 42
      +4
      Indeed, the most interesting is still just ahead:
      “The next step will be the start of negotiations on the value of the transaction,”
    2. atalef
      atalef 26 May 2016 20: 31
      +1
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Well, here's how to conclude a contract, then we will rejoice, but for now only hope for a successful result.

      Yes, it’s sort of already decided
      The Indian Ministry of Defense has selected a supplier of air defense systems in a program to develop its own ground-to-air short-range missile system (SRSAM).

      Preference is given to the Israeli Spyder.

      The SRSAM program started in 2011. The total value of the contract is estimated at $ 2.7 billion.

      The Spyder system is the brainchild of the Israeli defense concern Rafael.

      Its competitors in the Indian tender were the Swedish group SAAB (specializing in industry and armaments) and the Russian Rosoboronexport.

      It is curious that there was also a “local” competitor - the Akash system of Indian production. But in quality, it, like the Russian and Swedish systems, was inferior to the Israeli development.

      In favor of Israel - the successful operation of India’s existing Spyder systems, deployed on border territories and used to protect key air bases.

      SRSAM involves the development of the Indian short-range missile system. The contract provides for the transfer of technology and Israeli investment in Indian production in the amount of $ 90 million.

      India plans to create at least 2 air defense regiments with 1800 missiles.
  4. ded100
    ded100 26 May 2016 13: 02
    0
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Everything is correct. Israeli air defenses performed excellently against the Palestinian Qassams. Along the way, these are the same rockets that form the basis of the Iron Dome.

    Well, it’s not surprising against Kasams, but what if it will be more serious?
  5. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 26 May 2016 13: 03
    +5
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Everything is correct. Israeli air defenses performed excellently against the Palestinian Qassams. Along the way, these are the same rockets that form the basis of the Iron Dome.

    They didn’t even lie nearby. what The "Spider" uses V-B missiles, and the "ZhK" missile "Tamir" is designed for missile defense, not air defense.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 26 May 2016 15: 38
      0
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      They didn’t even lie nearby. what The "Spider" uses V-B missiles, and the "ZhK" missile "Tamir" is designed for missile defense, not air defense.

      What would be better seen.
    2. Professor
      Professor 26 May 2016 19: 24
      +1
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      The "Spider" uses V-B missiles, and the "ZhK" missile "Tamir" is designed for missile defense, not air defense

      Never used. In general, there is no connection between Spider and the LCD. The link above is Bongo. Everything is described there.
      1. MACCABI-TLV
        MACCABI-TLV 27 May 2016 19: 00
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Never used.

        Python and Derby both missiles V-V. Aron just ruled out the connection between Spider (Air Defense). And LCD (PRO).
        1. Professor
          Professor 27 May 2016 19: 11
          0
          Quote: MACCABI-TLV
          Python and Derby both missiles V-V. Aron just ruled out the connection between Spider (Air Defense). And LCD (PRO).

          Yes, I was not attentive. repeat
  6. demchuk.ig
    demchuk.ig 26 May 2016 13: 13
    0
    The Indian "conclusion of the contract" can last for years and then it turns out that this product does not suit them, they will stir up another couple of years. In the end, they will conclude a contract - neither yours nor ours!
  7. Igor V
    Igor V 26 May 2016 13: 16
    +5
    Is the stone under the wheel included in the air defense system? smile
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 26 May 2016 14: 06
      +3
      Quote: Igor V
      Is the stone under the wheel included in the air defense system?

      No! Included in the machine. This is a parking brake and there must be two stones.
      1. Igor V
        Igor V 26 May 2016 15: 30
        0
        The second is under the right rear wheel. The main thing is not to mix it up! yes
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 26 May 2016 13: 19
    -1
    Is it a competitor to the Shell or TOR?
    1. Skubudu
      Skubudu 26 May 2016 14: 19
      0
      Judging by the characteristics of the shell
  9. pavelty
    pavelty 26 May 2016 13: 20
    +1
    Well, they just pursue a policy of diversifying arms supplies. In order not to put all the testicles in one basket ...
  10. weksha50
    weksha50 26 May 2016 13: 22
    0
    I am constantly amazed at the "heterogeneity" of India's weapons ...

    And all the while I am annoyed that India is gradually moving away from Russia in the purchase of weapons ...

    What is politics here or do we have nothing worthy to offer? In the second, I doubt it ...
    1. Chisayna
      Chisayna 26 May 2016 13: 40
      -6
      Remember what Russian Tsar said that he did not want to see Judah. ​​E. merchants in his kingdom. What Russian Tsar said that Judah. ​​E. and merchants trade meanly, dishonestly, by deception.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 26 May 2016 14: 12
      +7
      "Or do we have nothing worthy to offer?" ////

      Electronics. Everything now rests on electronics.
      1. Chatlanen
        Chatlanen 26 May 2016 16: 59
        +1
        It is interesting what technologies Israel is going to transfer? And the United States allowed?
    3. Nehist
      Nehist 27 May 2016 00: 23
      +1
      Disruption of delivery dates is the main problem of the Russian military-industrial complex, which is exported within the country more than once.
  11. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 26 May 2016 13: 37
    +2
    Quote: Alexey-74
    The question is in Money .... I think our TOP and BEECH will be better than their Spider ....

    The issue is not money, but the demand of the Indians for technology transfer. Our air defense systems do not transmit production technology to anyone, especially the Shell, otherwise they will lose their last income and protection. Jews were able to neutralize the S-300, having at their disposal full access to existing models.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 May 2016 13: 39
    +4
    Indians - they are such traders, are wrapped in a large number of conditions, and no longer understand who owes whom laughing Now, when they conclude a contract, then we’ll see who sells better, Jews or Indians? wassat
    1. Oleg7700
      Oleg7700 26 May 2016 14: 30
      +5
      Wow! It can be difficult to understand where it began and ended, or what the unrecognizable turned into. Therefore, Israel always with them (!) Prepays with them, well, already worked out schemes based on the mentality ... smile
  13. alicante11
    alicante11 26 May 2016 13: 50
    +1
    India is stepping on the rake of Gaddafi with its own, "ladies and yours and ours." In the 80s, the Colonel also took our air defense systems and French radars, which he could not pair with or triggered the bookmarks when it was necessary to repulse amer attacks. So the Indians are dying, weapons, especially modern ones, are a complex and building it on heterogeneous components means deliberately weakening.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 26 May 2016 17: 28
      +1
      In Iraq, it was the same - our fire, and the radar was replaced by French. Everything turned out the way Lefty said: "God forbid war, they will not shoot." The same rake.
  14. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 26 May 2016 13: 59
    +7
    Here is the first official photo of last year, the Indian Air Force, on its platform (here TATA, not Tatra and everything rotates 360 degrees) and now they want the land investigators. According to the Indian Busines Insider, a contract for two regiments totaling $ 2.67 billion. With India, billions always go ...
    1. Skubudu
      Skubudu 26 May 2016 15: 16
      -2
      The shell has a better radar, better missiles, their number is greater, plus guns and the ability to fire in motion.
      The cockroach in all respects loses to the Shell
      The number of countries of the Shell operator is several times larger
      Behind the Shell is a 5-year turn.
      The buyer votes in rubles. More precisely, in dollars :)
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 26 May 2016 16: 02
        +13
        You see, Indians are mischievous buyers.
        They do not trust the performance characteristics and test site video
        manufacturer and arrange tests on its territory
        with your targets.
        And here ... "shoals" begin at many manufacturers of weapons.
      2. bert123
        bert123 27 May 2016 01: 31
        +1
        you will not name participants of the queue for 5 years?
  15. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 26 May 2016 14: 02
    0
    What about the best advertisement for our weapons in Syria ?! "Verified by Syria" and so on. Repulsed by multi-billion dollar contracts, the cost of the operation ?! Did you end up signing at least one contract?
  16. lopvlad
    lopvlad 26 May 2016 14: 48
    +1
    India decided to opt for Spyder

    Well, we have already bought air defense systems from the United States, since the Russian ones, because of their stupidity, did not want to take, because the legs of Israeli developments grow from there. After all, not a single modernization of even the Iron Dome is complete without the involvement of American specialists.
    And then it turns out how to buy copies of S-300 from China.
  17. Backfire
    Backfire 26 May 2016 15: 58
    +2
    It is unfortunate that we again lost the tender in India.
    1. andj61
      andj61 26 May 2016 21: 24
      +3
      Quote: Beckfire
      It is unfortunate that we again lost the tender in India.

      India usually requires not a simple purchase, but the transfer of technology and production at home with a high degree of localization. And since the staff there is "not very good", then not everyone succeeds in setting up production there without problems and cheaply. Specifically for Russia, this task is difficult - easier and more profitable! - to do everything ourselves. So maybe it's not a pity ...
  18. 31R-US
    31R-US 26 May 2016 16: 38
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    Oh, here you are, as Indians, then I also wanted to buy "bajaj" in the fall for a beer to drive, now I will not. lol
  19. Things
    Things 26 May 2016 17: 20
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    Quote: lopvlad
    India decided to opt for Spyder

    Time and events will show how justified this choice was ...
  20. Sergey333
    Sergey333 26 May 2016 18: 23
    +4
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    What about the best advertisement for our weapons in Syria ?! "Verified by Syria" and so on. Repulsed by multi-billion dollar contracts, the cost of the operation ?! Did you end up signing at least one contract?
    There advertising was only cruise missiles and bombers. I did not see a bunch of shot down Turkish planes in the news. One unfortunate helicopter shot down and then the Kurds and MANPADS.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 27 May 2016 10: 27
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      Well, where are the contracts? - on rockets and bombers then? Some cons
  21. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 26 May 2016 22: 02
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    atalef (8) Today, 20:31 ↑ New
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Well, here's how to conclude a contract, then we will rejoice, but for now only hope for a successful result.
    Yes, it’s sort of already decided

    Yeah, these "rubber workers" can be determined for another five years, then the karma is not the same belay then the astral has not opened request
  22. Vladimir 23rus
    Vladimir 23rus 27 May 2016 01: 49
    +1
    The article notes that the Indian Ministry of Defense "expects to create at least two air defense regiments, in which there will be 1,8 thousand missiles"
    Two regiments and 1,8 THOUSAND rockets? Does this air defense system fire bursts or what?
  23. Engineer
    Engineer 27 May 2016 15: 39
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    A strange choice, more than strange, because as I recall, this whole mess started with a search for a replacement for the obsolete air defense systems Osa and Kub. The Israeli system is an air defense facility. She is not the best choice for covering troops. Here Thor is the most. Thor is an independent, independent unit capable of firing on the march. And the Israeli system needs time to deploy the entire complex - a separate command post, separate launchers. The failure of the command post deprives the combat effectiveness of several launchers. In general, here politics, and not the opinion of the military, outweighed.
  24. MACCABI-TLV
    MACCABI-TLV 27 May 2016 20: 14
    +1
    India !!! smile
    http://www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/mainnews/2016/0527/081635199/detail.
    shtml
  25. Orionvit
    Orionvit 27 May 2016 22: 59
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    Quote: neri73-r


    While there will be a pebble under the front left wheel, as in the picture for the article, it will not be a Great Power, the production culture and maintenance of equipment, however ........., although there are chances.

    "When will you get yourself a tablet, or will you give it to you? - So the boot is more reliable in battle, comrade commander." Only old men go into battle.