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General Atomics creates a sea-based electromagnetic gun

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General Atomics has already spent $ 50 million of its own funds to develop the Multimission Medium Range Railgun Weapon System (MMRRWS) 10 MJ shipboard electromagnetic gun, the blog reports bmpd with reference to Jane's Navy International.


General Atomics creates a sea-based electromagnetic gun
Image of a shipborne electromagnetic developed by General Atomics Corporation armory Multimission Medium Range Railgun Weapon System (MMRRWS) systems, possibly on board a USS LCS type ship.

Development is conducted with 2007 g, the first ground testing is scheduled for 2017 g. The exact caliber of the gun has not yet been determined. It will probably be around 100 mm.

“The installation will have to hit air, surface and ground targets and is proposed to replace standard 127-mm universal artillery mounts on US Navy ships. At the first stage, it is supposed to use kinetic bombs or tungsten shrapnel to hit targets. The MMRRWS firing range for a ballistic trajectory can reach 100 km, ”the article says.

The basis for the development was the experimental electromagnetic gun Blitzer with the power 3 MJ, which tests have been going on for about 6 years.

The corporation also announced “successful development of hypersonic shots, which are considered the most complex element of electromagnetic guns in general, since the overload of a projectile with an initial speed 5М in the barrel of such a gun when shot reaches 30 thousand g”
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General Atomics (via Jane's)
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  1. salad
    salad 26 May 2016 10: 31
    +7
    Sea-based synchrophasatron)))))))))))
    1. Infinity
      Infinity 26 May 2016 10: 36
      +3
      Such a miracle can only be used with the power plant of the ship)) Although railguns, for example, can disperse a projectile so well. But for now, this is all in the future.
      1. Altona
        Altona 26 May 2016 11: 02
        +3
        Quote: Infinity
        Such a miracle can only be used with the power plant of the ship)) Although railguns, for example, can disperse a projectile so well. But for now, this is all in the future.

        -------------------
        Well yes. Where is the article about the notorious Zumwalt? This very railgun is intended for it instead of 2 conventional "howitzer" barrels of 155 mm, which also throw guided projectiles at 100 km. And the power plant of the Zumwalt is just on the "electric transmission", that is, the ship's engine drives the electric generator, and it powers the electric motors of the propellers, radar and other energy-intensive consumers, including in the "future" railgun and combat lasers, which are still able to burn a sheet of thin sheet metal. automotive steel in general (0,6mm).
        1. yehat
          yehat 26 May 2016 15: 42
          0
          Somali pirates are already waiting for such a visit
          against the Kalash and kayaks the railgun does not channel)))
      2. yehat
        yehat 26 May 2016 15: 40
        +1
        a miracle with such powerful power can only be used on ships specially equipped with high power transmission networks.
        Now there are only two of these in the US Navy - Svolvt and a ship in the photo
        They say another carrier can. For the rest, a serious alteration is needed.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 26 May 2016 10: 44
      +13
      In vain you laugh .. Science doesn’t stand still, the fenders have some developments, we also need to say our weighty word ..
      Quote: salat
      Sea-based synchrophasatron)))))))))))
      1. salad
        salad 26 May 2016 10: 53
        +3
        I completely agree with you that there are achievements and prototypes! but I could not help but review this propiarnaya expensive prodigy wassat
        1. Altona
          Altona 26 May 2016 11: 04
          +2
          Quote: salat
          I completely agree with you that there are achievements and prototypes! but I could not help but review this propiarnaya expensive prodigy

          -------------------------
          The electricity will "run out" and nothing will shoot. Why troll then?
          1. Nix1986
            Nix1986 26 May 2016 11: 35
            0
            The asteroid will fall and generally end, but life always ends with death, maybe it’s not worth living and ?!
            1. Altona
              Altona 26 May 2016 11: 39
              +2
              Quote: Nix1986
              The asteroid will fall and generally end, but life always ends with death, maybe it’s not worth living and ?!

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              The power plant of the ship if it is damaged, I meant it. The powder gun at least has a chance to fire.
              1. Nix1986
                Nix1986 26 May 2016 11: 48
                +4
                Now all the armament on the ship is a figure, except that small-arms machine guns and personal weapons are an exception. Therefore, if the power plant is covered, then the guns will not fire, unless they are from the frigate of the 18th century.
                1. Altona
                  Altona 26 May 2016 12: 08
                  0
                  Quote: Nix1986
                  Now all the armament on the ship is a figure, except that small-arms machine guns and personal weapons are an exception. Therefore, if the power plant is covered, then the guns will not fire, unless they are from the frigate of the 18th century.

                  --------------------
                  This is understandable, but on some specimens there may be "manual" turret rotation and mechanical shutter release if the electrician fails. You never know what?
              2. Simple
                Simple 26 May 2016 11: 53
                +3
                A shell without an elevator will reach the trunk on foot (as in that American film about Iowk and aliens on their shoulders they drag it)?
                Elevation angle? Azimuth?
                Foot drive?
                In my opinion, without a petricia, a ship's au will not even be visited.
                What about cooling?
                1. Mareman Vasilich
                  Mareman Vasilich 26 May 2016 12: 19
                  +3
                  Did you serve on the ship? When I served in 1135, the artillery could work without electricity.
                  1. Simple
                    Simple 26 May 2016 13: 52
                    +1
                    No, I didn’t serve.
                    On 1135: 76 mm
                    I can’t imagine how they could work without electricity
                    Radar MP -310A, MP-105, CIRCUIT REQUIREMENTS-m
                    I don’t know.
                    You shot by eye? Direct fire?
                    1. Mareman Vasilich
                      Mareman Vasilich 27 May 2016 11: 27
                      +1
                      At 1135 two twin artillery towers. There are mechanics and optics. it’s enough for shooting and it’s better than being a fully floating target. For safe navigation, there are signal men with binoculars and other things. The ship does not lose all combat readiness - remember this. I’ll tell you more - in the BIP (combat information post) there are all the conditions and the preparation of the crew for manual work, that is, calculations should be done with a pencil, special rulers, graph paper, and other tools. This suggests that with a loss of electricity supply, Soviet-designed ships remain combat-ready. And yes, the shells are delivered manually, there is nothing to worry about, we were taught this. And not only that, much more.
                2. Altona
                  Altona 26 May 2016 12: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: Just
                  A shell without an elevator will reach the trunk on foot (as in that American film about Iowk and aliens on their shoulders they drag it)?

                  ----------------
                  Well, you, my friend, compared. There is a gun of the gunboat caliber, not a battleship, not the diameter of a barrel, but the caliber of ordinary field artillery.
                  1. Simple
                    Simple 26 May 2016 13: 53
                    +1
                    You seem to be writing about 155mm?
                    Figs with a caliber.
                    How to induce (radar), BIUS?
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 26 May 2016 14: 47
                      +3
                      Quote: Just
                      You seem to be writing about 155mm?
                      Figs with a caliber.
                      How to induce (radar), BIUS?

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                      My friend, here we are arguing how we can bring this or that, activate the shutter, power the radar gratings, and so on. And the Americans in Hollywood will stupidly make a film, like the brave sailor Andrew Jackson, reflecting the attack of the insidious Martians (evil Russians, Iranians, Chinese, Koreans Kim Jong-un-necessary to emphasize) crawls to the gun tower, opens the breech of the gun with his teeth, throws the shell out of the wounded hands, visually the trunk to the enemy ship (starship, plane, Kim Jong-un-yacht-underline) and voila. The projectile strives for the target and hits the World Evil. The president gives the hero the order of the Purple Heart, the nurse immediately takes off her bra, a happy ending.
                      1. Simple
                        Simple 26 May 2016 15: 41
                        0
                        "truth is born in dispute"
                        In Hollywood and the movie, I'm zero.
                        I care if only we did not have to catch up, urgently with that.
                        Sanctions and frigates without, we survive, survived.
                        But the second 1941, or 1945 (Hiroshima, Nagasaki) would not really want to repeat.
                3. Kite
                  Kite 26 May 2016 13: 19
                  +3
                  It is much easier to back up power supply for devices such as elevators, etc., than backing up the main power plant. But, it is strange that the dispute in this direction has escalated. Damage to the main equipment in any complex means the termination of functioning. Tomahawks still have a chance to launch, and the railgun is not at all the main weapon. Is this a gadget with a tungsten needle supposed to hit objects at a distance of 100 km? Calculate the flight time. Estimate the loss of speed (kinetic energy). Evaluate the striking effect of breaking through the target's hull (if it does hit, and aiming at a point beyond the horizon). Please note that adjusting the flight to the target is excluded. And then we have: 1) the target is large, low-maneuverable at a long distance, must be struck by an absolutely precise hit of the "needle" in the head of its commander wassat
                  2) a small-sized fast target (highly maneuverable but for which a needle wound is mortally dangerous) must be absolutely accurately accompanied by sighting equipment.
                  Miracles happen. Bismarck and Hood began the battle barely seeing each other. Gunners of Bismarck were more successful, hit the first salvo of the main caliber. So, look what kind of caliber they had so important!
                  1. Kite
                    Kite 26 May 2016 13: 45
                    +2
                    Can you imagine how offended the commander of Hoodangry, if Bismarck got into his ship with a "spit", a tungsten nozzle?
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 26 May 2016 14: 00
                      +1
                      Quote: Kite
                      Can you imagine how offended Commander Hood would have been if Bismarck had hit his ship with a "spit", a tungsten nozzle?

                      Theoretically, if Bismarck, as you say, would "spit" from the railgun with blanks of 100-150-200 mm, then believe me, the effect of Hood's defeat would be much greater due to the dynamic impact than what was actually which neither armor nor active means of protection can save.
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 26 May 2016 14: 15
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        then believe me, the effect of defeat

                        This is debatable. Ship hashes had a supply of explosives, because a simple blank even after breaking through the armor did not cause serious damage.
                        Now about the hypersonic needle. Yes, it’s for the needle, because this is the very advantageous aerodynamic form.
                        It does not contain explosives and deals damage according to the physical formula, where the energy depends on the loss of speed per unit of time. Despite the fact that modern ships do not have armor. What is the probability of getting into a critical part of the ship?
                      2. opus
                        opus 26 May 2016 14: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: dvina71
                        Ship hashes had stock Centuries, for a simple disc even breaking through the armor, with


                        Quote: dvina71
                        BB it does not contain and the damage is done according to the physical formula, g


                        the translation is so-so (which is misleading) or neutered ...

                        Key Feature MMRRWS lies in the possibility of using hypersonic controlled high-explosive (compression) shells of air blasting

                        With the help of such ammunition, ships will be able to intercept enemy missiles, as well as destroy enemy aircraft. At Atomics, guided projectiles for electromagnetic weapons are called “Shot” (similar to cartridges for smoothbore guns), since inside each of them there are many tungsten balls. Also, guns can hit ground and surface targets kinetic strokes.

                        "Jane's Navy International" in an article by Richard D Fisher Jr. "General Atomics commits private funding to develop 10 MJ medium-range railgun"


                        HZ how they will undermine them in the right place
                    2. Kite
                      Kite 26 May 2016 18: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: NEXUS
                      .... believe me, the effect of Hood’s defeat would be much greater due to the dynamic impact ...

                      Believe it, or will you carry out a simple calculation yourself? With the declared power of the railgun and the initial speed of the blank, the weight of the projectile ("blanks" aerodynamic mold and its pallet) should be less than 7 kg. The density of tungsten is about 19 kg / dm3. Estimated tungsten volume is 0.3 dm3. Which form do you choose? In one case, there will be a strong drag and a quick loss of speed, in the other, friction and heating will be more pronounced (and the blank is no longer cold). At 1600 g C tungsten becomes plastic (I’ll remind you of the snot). You can plug a hole in the board with your finger winkwhen the edges have cooled.
                4. Simple
                  Simple 26 May 2016 15: 48
                  0
                  Electricity - I didn’t pedal!

                  The railgun will fire once either 2 or 3. How many CAT-so many shots. He has a charge in the condors.
                  Tomahawk will not start without electro (if mk 41) there is water cooling (150 kW?).
                  The media will burn along with the micron after starting.

                  For PCR, you need to give tsu, this is only through the BIOS. Does she eat under megawatts?

                  Probably possible without elevators, with handles and legs.
                  But here's how to bring a modern speaker without electricity (radar, bius, platform gyrostabilization)

                  I don’t understand.
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 26 May 2016 20: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Just
                    Probably possible without elevators, with handles and legs.
                    But here's how to bring a modern speaker without electricity (radar, bius, platform gyrostabilization)

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                    The Zumwalt itself, in principle, is not an battleship, an ordinary electric ship, the superstructure is generally carbon-balsa, so that the center of gravity does not shift upward. "Glows" from its powerful radar, although for some reason it is cut in stealth. This is a "coastal shelling" ship, in this form it is defenseless against a powerful coastal defense. He may not even resist Somali pirates if he tries to attack their coast alone. So, he has a railgun and how many times he fires it makes no sense. Probably railgun has a practical value, I can not judge.
                5. aiw
                  aiw 28 May 2016 20: 49
                  0
                  > This is a gadget with a tungsten needle that should hit objects at a distance of 100 km?

                  Well, the tanks hit each other with such a needle ... in this case, the needle will be a kilogram in twenty.

                  > Please note that adjusting the flight to the target is excluded

                  Why?

                  > low-speed target

                  Here for such shrapnel.
            2. Berkut24
              Berkut24 26 May 2016 12: 06
              +1
              Nonche and the powder gun have no chance. Automation and guidance mechanisms on electronics, guidance system on radars and even more electronics. There are almost no inhabited artillery towers in the fleet.
        2. Simple
          Simple 26 May 2016 11: 49
          +3
          Do you think that if a "normal" ship's artillery system runs out of electricity, it will be able to shoot?
          Oh well...
      2. razmik72
        razmik72 26 May 2016 14: 51
        0
        Quote: salat
        I completely agree with you that there are achievements and prototypes! but I could not help but review this propiarnaya expensive prodigy wassat

        I would not say that the electromagnetic gun will be expensive, in any case, shots to it will be cheap.
    3. Altona
      Altona 26 May 2016 11: 06
      +3
      Quote: dmi.pris
      In vain you laugh .. Science does not stand still,

      -------------------
      I absolutely agree with you. For a long time science has been subject to many things, it only has not yet managed to create capacious and compact batteries in order to feed their "miracles" longer. There will be a breakthrough in solving the problem of a compact energy source.
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 26 May 2016 11: 17
        +4
        Quote: Altona
        In solving the problem of a compact source of energy, there will be a breakthrough.

        Not only that, there is a very difficult problem in such devices. Plasma accelerates them in plasma. Which destroys the guides. And very active. So far, the resource is several dozen shots.
        1. aiw
          aiw 28 May 2016 20: 51
          0
          > The blank in them is accelerated by plasma. Which breaks the guides. And it is very active.

          Not necessarily a Gaussian gun for example.

          > So far, the resource is several dozen shots.

          Do not bring a reference?
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 26 May 2016 11: 07
      +5
      Quote: dmi.pris
      In vain you laugh .. Science doesn’t stand still, the fenders have some developments, we also need to say our weighty word ..

      We also have been working on the railgun for a long time, but we have relied more on hyper sound, and on their gun with a firing range of 100 km, we will soon have Zircon with a range of 1000 km.
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 26 May 2016 11: 39
        +4
        The cost of a shot of zircon and crowbar from a railgun is comparable ?! Tu 160 is also able to hit tanks, but sending one such plane for the sake of the T55 worn by barmales is clearly nonsense. Zircon is narrowly specialized, railgun has a wider specialization and lower price, this is its obvious plus.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 26 May 2016 11: 47
          +1
          Quote: Nix1986
          Is the cost of a shot of zircon and scrap from a railgun comparable?

          The question is not true at the root. Is the cost of Zircon comparable with the cost of, for example, Zamvolt, Tikanderogi, Arly Burke?
          Quote: Nix1986
          Zircon is narrowly specialized, railgun has a wider specialization and lower price, this is its obvious plus.

          This stupid argument of ours can be ended with a simple comparison of range, dear. By the way, we are also working on a railgun, while the United States does not have hyper-velocity anti-ship missiles in the foreseeable future.
          1. Nix1986
            Nix1986 26 May 2016 11: 58
            +2
            The question is fundamentally true, you can send to hit a heavily supported enemy tank f15 with a proof bomb and risk losing $ 70 million at once, or you can send a cheap helicopter with 2-3 helpfiles and risk $ 2-3 million, the efficiency is the same - the tank will be hit, the cost is different . So here, you say that zircon is better because further and more precisely, I do not argue, and why not immediately with Satan? there charge in general a bunch of megatons for accuracy do not care and flies much further. What is known about our railgun? Is this a secret? That's when there will be at least some facts then there will be material for the argument. Well, or we have engaged in the development of the railgun Rosnano and it is not visible, because it is nano wink
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 26 May 2016 12: 36
              +2
              Quote: Nix1986
              The question is fundamentally true, you can send to hit a heavily supported enemy tank f15 with a proof bomb and risk losing $ 70 million at once, or you can send a cheap helicopter with 2-3 helpfiles and risk $ 2-3 million, the efficiency is the same - the tank will be hit, the cost is different .

              That is why we are building frigates and corvettes of different displacement in a modular manner. The range of the railgun declared 100 km ... The question is, what commander of the sane mind and solid memory will admit to this range of adversary? And the second question: What is the use of railgun in general, it can be, if most missile anti-ship systems (including coastal systems) in the world are far-reaching at times? That is, it turns out that the railgun is sharpened to perform tasks against a party that does not have such systems in principle. I'm not talking about energy costs of this weapon and controversial efficiency today. In other words, today, an 100 mm caliber electromagnetic gun is the same as a laser capable of shooting down hyper-speed targets, that is, fairy tales from the Vienna woods.
              Quote: Nix1986
              What is known about our railgun?

              And what is known about the mattress railgun other than commercials? wink
              1. Nix1986
                Nix1986 26 May 2016 12: 47
                +2
                The armament on the ship is intended not only to destroy another naval group. This also includes a range of tasks to support landings, land grouping, and attacks on coastal targets of the enemy. In the coastal strip up to 40 km, active shells can also be used, gas-generating shells (although not rockets, but they are also not cheap), but what to use at a distance of 40-200 km? now it’s just rockets or aviation. Railgun is just designed to fill this lower. And in any case, at the dawn of his birth, new technologies, as a rule, lose the more traditional ones, but this does not mean stopping there.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 26 May 2016 13: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Nix1986
                  and what to use at a distance of 40-200km

                  As far as I heard, for example, we are developing a gun based on the Coalition-SV gun with a range commensurate with your numbers. This is an example.
                  Quote: Nix1986
                  And in any case, at the dawn of his birth, new technologies tend to lose the more traditional, but this does not mean stopping there.

                  I immediately told you that such developments are underway, but they are still very crude and not studied, so as to at least get closer to traditional weapons. Therefore, I said-While these are fairy talesSince traditional power supplies are not suitable for this technology, with the exception of atomic control systems. But then, railguns can only be placed on ships with nuclear control system, which is not very convenient, given the dimensions of such ships and the range of the railgun today.
                  1. Nix1986
                    Nix1986 26 May 2016 13: 25
                    +1
                    I don’t know for sure about the coalition and therefore I won’t argue. The figure of 40 km was taken from the characteristics of pzh2000 as a reference at the moment. As for the 150mm howitzer with regard to the coalition, I strongly doubt the possibility of a range of more than 50km only due to the propellant charge, most likely it is also active, which essentially makes it a missile thrown through the barrel, and again the question is the cost of such a shell, it not cheap. Amer’s video is not anime but quite imagined. We do not have such open materials, and therefore there are no topics for discussion on our part.
                  2. Altona
                    Altona 26 May 2016 18: 18
                    0
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    As far as I heard, for example, we are developing a gun based on the Coalition-SV gun with a range commensurate with your numbers. This is an example.

                    --------------------
                    Here is Thoth. Cost of Coalition and Zumwalt armed in the same way plus Tomahawks.
                2. dvina71
                  dvina71 26 May 2016 13: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: Nix1986
                  This includes a range of tasks to support the landing,

                  Yeah .. especially this .. Nothing that will have to de-energize a couple of states? With the support of the landing, the density of fire is very important, have you seen the energy price of one shot in an article?
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 26 May 2016 13: 57
                    +1
                    Quote: dvina71
                    Yeah .. especially this .. Nothing that will have to de-energize a couple of states? With the support of the landing, the density of fire is very important, have you seen the energy price of one shot in an article?

                    Dear Nikita, he thinks about cost (about the economic aspect), forgetting about two more important points: energy consumption and total efficiency. The first point is too high, the second too low.
                  2. Nix1986
                    Nix1986 26 May 2016 14: 22
                    +1
                    And then the states, the wires will feed the power to the cruiser or what ?! Calculate the energy efficiency of the projectile’s life cycle on a conventional propellant charge, starting with its complex production, when metal scrap is just like that wink And besides, as I have said more than once - this is only the beginning, there is no need to strictly judge strictly. If there was news that a rail gun was adopted in Russia, then 70% of the opinions here were diametrically opposite.
        2. Alexey-74
          Alexey-74 26 May 2016 11: 52
          +2
          You are right ... the price is incomparable. Our people, by the way, do not sit still. There was a transfer for our railgun ... a very promising thing, I think the future is somewhere nearby good
        3. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 26 May 2016 13: 24
          0
          How can he find and destroy tanks? KR with YABCH unless.
        4. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 26 May 2016 13: 24
          0
          How can he find and destroy tanks? KR with YABCH unless.
    5. castle
      castle 26 May 2016 12: 11
      +2
      The speed of modern armor-piercing feathered subcaliber shells is 1500 - 1800 m / s. The American ship’s gun “Multimission Medium Range Railgun Weapon System” (MMRRWS) with a capacity of 10 MJ will throw projectiles at an initial speed of 5 Machs, which is 1700 m / s. (in the lower atmosphere). Is the game worth the candle?
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 26 May 2016 12: 33
        +2
        Firearms at the dawn of their birth also lost a crossbow or longbow. This is just the beginning.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 26 May 2016 13: 19
          +2
          Firearms at the dawn of their birth also lost a crossbow or longbow. This is just the beginning.
          Your statement is false. It only lost in rate of fire. At times superior in penetration. What lured the military to their side.
          1. Nix1986
            Nix1986 26 May 2016 13: 33
            +1
            Handbrake of the beginning of the 15th century, or rather a crossbow ??? Oh well. I’m silent about the reason for linear tactics until the appearance of rifled weapons.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 26 May 2016 13: 41
              0
              Handbrake of the beginning of the 15th century, or rather a crossbow ???
              Handbrake - armor piercing. Despite all its other flaws.
              1. Nix1986
                Nix1986 26 May 2016 14: 16
                +1
                The Lord is with you, whom do you want to armor-piercing at the beginning of the 15th century?
                1. CT-55_11-9009
                  CT-55_11-9009 27 May 2016 09: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: Nix1986
                  The Lord is with you, whom do you want to armor-piercing at the beginning of the 15th century?


                  Uh ... Knights in armor that have not gone out of use? Warriors in chain mail? Not? Not a varic?
      2. ism_ek
        ism_ek 26 May 2016 12: 35
        0
        Quote: hrad
        Is the game worth the candle?

        The electromagnetic gun has higher accuracy. A shell from such a gun will always fly out at the same speed. Gunpowder will always burn in different ways. The speed of the projectile when fired from a conventional gun will always have a certain spread.
    6. 2s1122
      2s1122 26 May 2016 12: 42
      +1
      Ah cho, funny laughing the article says that the initial velocity of the projectile in the barrel is 5M, i.e. implies an increase in speed belay but what about the formation of plasma in the atmosphere around the projectile and what will reach the target. That is the question of whether the ammunition burns.
    7. Inok10
      Inok10 26 May 2016 12: 54
      +3
      Quote: dmi.pris
      In vain you laugh .. Science doesn’t stand still, the fenders have some developments, we also need to say our weighty word ..

      ... no one is laughing ... a practical solution with power supply from the ship’s common network can be considered very controversial ... since at the time of the shot, the rest of the consumers, and these engines, BIUS, etc. will work normally? ... I doubt it ... yes, and as far as I remember with the survivability of the trunk, the mattresses' question remained open, max 10 shots ... about our video production for 6 minutes ... the solution, from my point of view, is more elegant - VMG (explosive magnetic generator) ) ... hi
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 26 May 2016 13: 22
        0
        since at the time of the shot, the rest of the consumers, and these are the engines, CIUS, etc., will work normally?
        Will work fine. For this, a damper from capacitor banks is introduced into the system. It is they who give the impulse directly, and not the GEM.
        There are other problems.
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 26 May 2016 13: 30
          +2
          Quote: abrakadabre
          For this, a damper from capacitor banks is introduced into the system. It is they who give the impulse directly, and not the GEM.

          ... the presence of a damper, and so it is clear ... ah, reloading it? ... time to reach the readiness of a new impulse? ... you can’t do without the peak load on the power plant ... in general, there are more questions than answers ... and the complexity of the circuit-technical does not add to the reliability of the system in general .... hi
          1. abrakadabre
            abrakadabre 26 May 2016 13: 49
            0
            ah, reloading it? ... time to reach the readiness of a new impulse
            This is a completely different question. Not equal to yours:
            how at the time of the shot, the rest of the consumers, and these are the engines, CIUS, etc., will work normally?

            The load of the GEM, although peak, is not pulsed for the duration of the shot, as originally indicated in your question. Understand, I'm just trying to technically correctly clarify, and not confront you in a dispute.
            There are problems above the roof. But not the load on the power plant directly at the time of the shot.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 26 May 2016 19: 47
              +2
              Quote: abrakadabre
              Understand, I'm just trying to technically correctly clarify, and not confront you in a dispute.
              There are problems above the roof. But not the load on the power plant directly at the time of the shot.

              ... I stand on the same positions, the first formulation was not entirely correct ... but the essence is the same ... whether all this economy will pull = EMP + damper, without de-energizing or limiting the remaining consumers of the power of the ship's power plant ... request ... in general, wait and see ...
  2. Ami du peuple
    Ami du peuple 26 May 2016 11: 06
    +4
    Quote: salat
    Marine-Based Synchrophasatron
    To start iron scrap and balls from bearings in bulk.
  3. grandson of the hero
    grandson of the hero 26 May 2016 11: 12
    +3
    If you start to understand the problem - a purely theoretical model. The practical component is zero. In the coming years. Throw tungsten pigs with unpredictable accuracy. BB does not withstand such accelerations occurring in a short barrel. The ship itself turns into a purely power plant, the well-being of the crew and personnel is doubtful. The cost of the shot is declared, and if there are three of them, a complete replacement of the launcher (barrel), if not earlier. Yes, and much more.
  4. Platonich
    Platonich 26 May 2016 11: 45
    +1
    Pingezh and provocation, they also have a plane with a laser gun overgrown with grass!
  5. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 26 May 2016 12: 01
    +3
    Ballistic trajectory of the MMRRWS can reach 100 km
    They just forgot to indicate the KVO at such a distance. Considering the extremely "aerodynamic" shape of the projectile (in the picture, the lowest one) ...
  • V.ic
    V.ic 26 May 2016 10: 32
    +4
    "Well, tomorrow the children will ask, visiting us in the morning:
    "Dad, what did these doctor candidates say?"
    We will answer our children the truth, they do not care:
    Amazing nearby, but forbidden! "
    V.S. Vysotsky
    1. Thrall
      Thrall 26 May 2016 10: 39
      +2
      Well, they really want the Pentagon to vparit smile
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    2. Red_Hamer
      Red_Hamer 26 May 2016 10: 46
      +4
      In laboratory tests of Artsimovich railgun, the maximum speed reached 6,25 kilometers per second with a projectile mass of three grams. The target (steel plate) turned into a plasma. How many years have passed since then (seven, ten?), I wonder, but how are we doing with these developments now?
      1. CAMS
        CAMS 26 May 2016 12: 12
        +2
        Red_Hamer support! I read this article about our development of railguns, so talk about how our science goes around is complete rubbish. By the way, we focused on energy in the projectile. And about microwave radiation and about lasers, conclusions were made at the end of the 70s !! ! and about plasma is more interesting! you can dig everything, in the internet there
  • FID
    FID 26 May 2016 10: 32
    +6
    There cannot be an "initial" speed of 5M ... The initial speed is - 0, and the speed at the edge of the trunk is what it will be!
    1. godofwar6699
      godofwar6699 26 May 2016 10: 43
      0
      lol I think he made a mistake in the article hi
    2. hartlend
      hartlend 26 May 2016 11: 34
      0
      In artillery, the velocity of the projectile at the exit from the barrel is called the initial. This is for the layman. The full definition of the initial speed is slightly different.
  • NordUral
    NordUral 26 May 2016 10: 32
    +1
    What kind of impulse energy should be with such a short trunk?
  • Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 26 May 2016 10: 32
    +1
    This is what a damaging effect can be from such speeds when exiting the trunk!
    1. Simple
      Simple 26 May 2016 11: 56
      +1
      E = m * V * V / 2
      About.
      Of course minus the loss on the transition of Ek to thermal.
      Potential E can not even be considered at such speeds.
  • Andrey K
    Andrey K 26 May 2016 10: 33
    +15
    Dozens of years have been trying to make this fairy tale come true lol
    They are trying to use their stuffing to dissolve the arms race with an unpredictable result, a la "SOI 2.0" wassat
    We read in other sources: "The exact caliber of the MMRRWS railgun is still uncertain, but, apparently, it will be from 90 to 100 mm. The installation will have to hit air, surface and ground targets and is proposed to replace the standard 127-mm universal artillery pieces on US Navy ships. At the first stage, it is planned to use kinetic shells-blanks or tungsten shrapnel to hit targets. The firing range of MMRRWS along a ballistic trajectory can reach 100 km. laughing
    And now the question: how can one adopt into service "next year" something whose caliber is not determined even now, the shot for which is unknown laughing
    This is not even aerobatics to cut the US budget (let them cut more), this is just a stupid "razvodilovo" for money, under the promises of an unknown request
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 26 May 2016 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: Andrey K
      Dozens of years have been trying to make this fairy tale come true
      It’s not true. The work has been going on for only ten years and next year there will be full-scale tests at the training ground. Do not confuse general theoretical discussions on a given topic and a funded program with its tight deadlines and focus on results.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 26 May 2016 10: 44
        +8
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Quote: Andrey K
        Dozens of years have been trying to make this fairy tale come true
        It’s not true. The work has been going on for only ten years and next year there will be full-scale tests at the training ground. Do not confuse general theoretical discussions on a given topic and a funded program with its tight deadlines and focus on results.

        This already happened, with the result: "In the mid-80s, Soviet scientists created a prototype of a railgun. The speed of a projectile made of plastic, comparable in size to a bottle cap, reached 9960 m / s and pierced 3 layers of duralumin 4 cm thick." ... hi
    2. godofwar6699
      godofwar6699 26 May 2016 10: 52
      +4
      The first step towards mobilizing new weapons was the delivery of 'Pulse Power Containers' (PPC) - huge cans of capacitors or batteries packed in standard ISO containers. Each container has enough power to unload 18 kW for each shot. To enable the railgun to fire ten such rounds per minute, the gearbox should recharge from the owner of the vessel in a matter of seconds and be able to store and discharge energy in a very short time while managing the heat load generated by the process. GE-AMS has already delivered a prototype gearbox for its weapon. Raytheon today announced the first shipment. Checkpoint units of the Navy L-3 Applied Technologies also plans to complete work on another version of the checkpoint during the year.
      1. bmv04636
        bmv04636 26 May 2016 11: 23
        +1
        but for them a separate engine will be and what is its power or from the main one they will fall into a drift and will be bullet
        1. Simple
          Simple 26 May 2016 12: 02
          +1
          There should be about 20 kW at the input:
          Chargers are somewhere 90-99% efficiency.
          Multiply by the number of these checkpoints. We get the load on the ship!

          So, to quickly charge you need a very strong current, hundreds of amperes?
          I think this problem, not power
    3. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 26 May 2016 12: 09
      0
      hypersonic adjustable shot with a cost of supposedly only from 25 to 50 thousand dollars
      And they said that a penny’s shot was worth it. So the usual adjustable shell for such ranges is comparable. Moreover, the gun has an incomparable cost, barrel life and autonomy from other systems of the ship, that is, survivability and stability in battle.
    4. sergey2017
      sergey2017 26 May 2016 12: 23
      0
      I fully support! In 2017 there will be 10 years of this project! Initially, when we tested at the training ground and for short distances, everything worked out - called in the laboratory! Then the power plant should cry out there should be more of a ship! They still have a ressotron the same scam for pumping money! They are trying to drag into the development of not promising weapons at present!
    5. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 26 May 2016 12: 25
      0
      And now the question: how can one adopt into service "next year" something whose caliber is not determined even now, the shot for which is unknown

      Answer: The electromagnetic gun is not ordinary, (the barrel diameter is arbitrary), the diameter of the electromagnets can be any, so the caliber can be made to throw a cigarette packet over the horizon, or a piano ...
      1. shuhartred
        shuhartred 26 May 2016 14: 24
        0
        Quote: Mama_Cholli
        Answer: The electromagnetic gun is not ordinary, (the barrel diameter is arbitrary), the diameter of the electromagnets can be any, so the caliber can be made to throw either a cigarette packet or a piano over the horizon.

        Yeah, we shoot, we smear and the alien ship leaves the Martian orbit with a cry "so that you all should be empty" because the piano sticks out of your ass wink Intergalactic scandal however belay
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  • Tim
    Tim 26 May 2016 10: 35
    -1
    I didn’t understand anything wassat almost
  • arane
    arane 26 May 2016 10: 36
    +7
    I would not advise underestimating it. The thing is serious and they will bring it to mind. Not to be left behind
    1. 0255
      0255 26 May 2016 12: 48
      +1
      Quote: arane
      I would not advise underestimating it. The thing is serious and they will bring it to mind. Not to be left behind

      Why, Che, according to couch experts, the EM gun in the Russian Federation is a promising development, in the USA it’s only a cut, doomed to failure laughing
  • Verdun
    Verdun 26 May 2016 10: 38
    0
    Development is conducted with 2007 g, the first ground testing is scheduled for 2017 g. The exact caliber of the gun has not yet been determined. It will probably be around 100 mm.
    No matter how much I do not read the news about the "electromagnetic gun", I can’t get it, even burst into it. What is it about creating a linear accelerator that can hurl a projectile miles away?
    General Atomics Corporation has already spent $ 50 million of its own funds for the development of the ship's electromagnetic gun “Multimission Medium Range Railgun Weapon System”
    And how much has been spent on developing a compact energy source? Indeed, the absence of such a source is the main problem. There is none of it - and all conversations on this subject turn into a zilch!
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 26 May 2016 10: 46
      +1
      Quote: Verdun
      Development is conducted with 2007 g, the first ground testing is scheduled for 2017 g. The exact caliber of the gun has not yet been determined. It will probably be around 100 mm.
      No matter how much I do not read the news about the "electromagnetic gun", I can’t get it, even burst into it. What is it about creating a linear accelerator that can hurl a projectile miles away?
      General Atomics Corporation has already spent $ 50 million of its own funds for the development of the ship's electromagnetic gun “Multimission Medium Range Railgun Weapon System”
      And how much has been spent on developing a compact energy source? Indeed, the absence of such a source is the main problem. There is none of it - and all conversations on this subject turn into a zilch!

      But there is no problem pointing over these 100 km?) It's just silly. Non-guided missile yet ...
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 26 May 2016 11: 24
        0
        Quote: Muvka
        But there is no problem pointing over these 100 km?)
        Since now even adjustable artillery shells are being created, this problem can be solved. However, the obvious advantages of a railgun over a conventional weapon equipped with an active-rocket projectile have not yet been observed. Unless it looks futuristic in films like "Transformers" ...
        1. Muvka
          Muvka 26 May 2016 11: 34
          0
          Quote: Verdun
          Quote: Muvka
          But there is no problem pointing over these 100 km?)
          Since now even adjustable artillery shells are being created, this problem can be solved. However, the obvious advantages of a railgun over a conventional weapon equipped with an active-rocket projectile have not yet been observed. Unless it looks futuristic in films like "Transformers" ...

          I’m not sure that such an acceleration will withstand something more complicated than a ball ...
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 26 May 2016 14: 56
            0
            Quote: Muvka
            I’m not sure that such an acceleration will withstand something more complicated than a ball ...

            The acceleration in the railgun is just smoother. than in conventional artillery systems. But the cost of ammunition, at least initially, will be significantly higher. But while all this is possible only in a stationary ground version. The energy of modern ships is barely enough for basic needs.
            1. faridg7
              faridg7 26 May 2016 18: 32
              +1
              Well here, in my opinion, everything is sort of crap.
              An 8-kg blank shell flies out at a speed of 7-8 max, flies 100 km and saves energy to break through something? can you believe in this nonsense? in order to get somewhere at such a distance, you need to have not a blank, but an adjustable projectile - this is a handful of electronics and mechanisms (we’ll postpone it in memory). In order to break through something (we have a blank and not an explosive charge), a projectile at a distance of 100 km must have some speed. A 125 mm shell weighing 8 kg from a cannon flies out at a speed of 1800 m / s is capable of flying 30-35 km, but for some reason a blank flying out of a railgun for some reason flies a hundred kilometers. What is she moving under other laws? Conclusion - in order for the disc to fly these one hundred kilometers plainly, it should fly out at a much higher speed, it should fly at a speed of at least 2 Mach, which means that the acceleration in the barrel will be smooth, but large enough. What will happen to a handful of electronics in the shell? And then this shell will still move in the air and bask. Well, a tungsten blank can withstand it, but that handful of electronics pressed by the lining?
              I think the lot of relganes, if of course they all come into service, shelling targets in the line of sight (well, providing air defense in the near zone for example), but about distances of one hundred km is ridiculous, at least for now.
              But with the speeds in the prototype of Artsimovich, everything is much more interesting-
              6-6,5 km / s is already essential, although again not every shell can withstand such acceleration, and it is unlikely to hit such a machine over long distances.
              1. Verdun
                Verdun 26 May 2016 19: 22
                0
                Quote: faridg7
                I think the lot of relganes, if of course they all come into service, shelling targets in the line of sight (well, providing air defense in the near zone for example), but about distances of one hundred km is ridiculous, at least for now.

                Yes, if not vice versa. I can imagine such a bandura casting projectiles with a large number of explosives over long distances, possibly nuclear. And about the blanks in direct visibility - this is for tanks, not even for ships. And then the question of an adequate outlet generally remains open.
                1. faridg7
                  faridg7 26 May 2016 23: 46
                  0
                  In order to throw a large projectile at a great distance, it must be dispersed in the barrel. the farther, the stronger the overclock. the stronger it is necessary to disperse, the greater the acceleration must be given to the projectile, which will lead to the destruction of the contents of the projectile, or it is necessary to increase the length of the barrel and the structure should become cyclopic, and energy consumption - beyond. no, only a small mass of a shell with space velocity over a distance that allows you to be sure that the shell will not burn in flight.
  • godofwar6699
    godofwar6699 26 May 2016 10: 38
    +4



    The U.S. Navy will be taking its futuristic railgun from the lab, where it has been tested over the past eight years. Over the next two years, there will be electromagnetic guns held at open training grounds and ultimately at sea, where the futuristic electromagnetic gun will be able to demonstrate its full power to aim 50-100 nautical miles (92 - 185 km) from the hotel. The Navy is evaluating two electromagnetic railgun models. The 32-megajoule prototype is built by BAE Systems and the 32-megajoule Blitzer developed by General Atomics Electromagnetic Systems (GA-EMS). The company also developed a 3-MJ railgun variant. In the future, the Navy plans to deploy a 64-megajoule rating railgun. A railgun can deliver a face to speeds greater than twice that of conventional guns. The use of electromagnetic energy, where the magnetic fields created by strong electric currents accelerate a sliding metal conductor between two rails, the railgun reaches a muzzle velocity of more than Mach 7,5 without the use of chemical rocket fuel.
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 26 May 2016 10: 49
      +4
      Weak to hit an unguided projectile over long distances? And at sea, it seems, you can’t get rid of the unrest. Not like on landfill. A deviation per millimeter oh, how will it affect the accuracy of 50-100 km. Just my opinion. Of course, I am silent about the source of energy and the rate of recharge.
      1. Simple
        Simple 26 May 2016 12: 07
        +1
        Well, they did hit ordinary shells (as they hit each other’s ships earlier)
        At a distance of 10-70 km ((ars)!
        And with excitement.
        The traditional projectile speed 700-1500 m / s
        These glazed up to 7 m (up to 2400 m / s)
        It seems to be a hit!
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 26 May 2016 19: 57
          0
          Quote: Just
          Well, they hit ordinary shells

          Hit rate - no more than 10% of the total ammunition consumption. Will we start building battleships again?)) At the same time, the firing range of a conventional (not active-reactive) projectile exceeds 50 km only in the case of a high ballistic trajectory, when part of the projectile’s movement occurs in rarefied atmospheric layers.
          These glazed up to 7 m (up to 2400 m / s)
          The speed of the projectile does not directly affect the accuracy of the hit. Another thing is that you can’t interfere and it’s unlikely to intercept. and accuracy ... In conventional tools, accuracy is improved by giving the projectile rotation in the rifled barrel. The railgun, as I understand it, is not capable of imparting rotation to the projectile.
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 26 May 2016 12: 24
      0
      Two questions:
      1. Is it possible to bring the text in accordance with the norms of the Russian language, and not just Russian letters. Some turns like a sickle in the ... ear.
      2. And what about all the battle distances in the video within the range of archery? If the fluff is extremely long-range, then it should be tested at this distance, at which it supposedly has unimaginable advantages. but, you know, not every meteorite with a much larger mass than a projectile can fly in dense layers of the atmosphere at space speeds over a distance of 100 km.

      All that can be easily done on the video is an ordinary tank gun, which is comparable in size to a railgun.
    3. opus
      opus 26 May 2016 14: 09
      +2
      Quote: godofwar6699
      The Navy is evaluating two electromagnetic railgun models. The 32-megajoule prototype is built by BAE Systems and the 32-megajoule Blitzer developed by General Atomics Electromagnetic Systems (GA-EMS).

      Request:
      Ask BAE Systems how they will deal with the "firmware" (fly through)
      in any case, they do not need perenation, but the conversion of kinetic energy into heat (explosion)
      the surface target is not a tank, you can’t push it with a 10cm slotted hole.
      Maybe you do not know, but
      On February 21, 2008, the SM-3 missile was launched from the Lake Erie cruiser in the Pacific Ocean and, three minutes after launch, it hit 247 kilometers emergency reconnaissance satellite USA-193moving at a speed of 7 m / s .....
      "struck" ...
      EKV flashed USA-193 through, and if not for the "detonated" self-igniting fuel components (Aerozine 50 + N 2 O 4), or rather their remnants ...
      USA-193 would continue to fly in emergency mode (possibly in another orbit).

      US NAVI is silent about this result (like ATK)
      But the tungsten blank is not EKV, and the ship is not USA-193 (with its superdense layout) and there seems to be no UDMH with AT on it.
      Less dense refractory metal (or openwork type EKV)?
      And withstand:
      -acceleration
      - overcoming 1 atm n distance of 100 km, at 5-7M?
      - High explosive warhead again? And disperse, but what's the point then.
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------
      probably emf is good for
      UAV (chasing this flock)


      wink
      -for LA (here with maneuvering LA) problem)
      - against RCC at the terminal stage
      Against marine, stationary targets ... xs
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 May 2016 10: 40
    +6
    To disperse the ammunition to these speeds is a difficult but solvable task. The point is small - get this into something real wassat
    1. An60
      An60 26 May 2016 15: 12
      +1
      Well, the goals of the Amers are known, weddings, hospitals, bulldozers.
  • brasist
    brasist 26 May 2016 10: 41
    +1
    It’s probably already about 20 years or even more that they have invented about these electromagnetic guns, somewhere in the video I saw that they invested x .. how much and everything was empty ...
  • drunkram
    drunkram 26 May 2016 10: 48
    -2
    A completely useless gun against boats and ships, because the high velocity of the projectile will not allow him to inflict serious damage, it will simply fly right through
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 26 May 2016 12: 16
      0
      Through what? The target can maneuver. And the shell has no shrapnel or high explosive effect. Direct hit only.
  • Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 26 May 2016 10: 54
    +1
    Forgot to add about half the ship for the transportation of spare trunks.
  • salavat
    salavat 26 May 2016 10: 56
    +1
    It is interesting how to carry out the adjustment of a projectile flying at 7.5 max, the inertia will be with him, you will swing.
  • godofwar6699
    godofwar6699 26 May 2016 10: 57
    -2
    The track of a land fixed-rail system has greater scalability than an onboard ship or mobile application, which allows for larger systems, resulting in a more efficient range. The land fixed rail system, integrated with other national assets, provides an added opportunity in a multi-tier defense architecture. Illustration: General Atomics.
    1. Platonich
      Platonich 26 May 2016 11: 56
      +2
      Oh beautifully learned how to put mattresses on cartoons, how they painted SOI, they were already raw underpants !!!!
    2. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 26 May 2016 12: 29
      0
      The footprint of a fixed fixed rail system has greater scalability than on board a ship or mobile application
      What did you want to say with this set of words? Is it possible in Russian? Feeling like I'm reading a post Gridasov-A
      what
  • pavelty
    pavelty 26 May 2016 11: 00
    0
    During the shot all the ship’s energy will be cut off?)
  • Leto
    Leto 26 May 2016 11: 02
    +2
    The dream of one respondent, battleships bristled with reilgans shielded with armor, is breathtaking!
    Guess who...
    1. godofwar6699
      godofwar6699 26 May 2016 11: 22
      -1
      Yamato-class battleship squadron DURING OPERATION 21st laughing
  • Engineer
    Engineer 26 May 2016 11: 07
    +2
    In the Yankees, as always, everything is beautiful in the pictures and in the video, but as it comes to business, the F-35 turns out
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 26 May 2016 11: 19
      +1
      What do you dislike about the F-35? It’s us, in our dense nature, we are trying to evaluate it as a combat system, but look at it as a product, and everything will fall into place! Is it for sale? For sale! Are there any buyers? - Yes, 50 years in advance, plus service and consumables! Everything - the task is completed! And do not compare the F-35 and T-50, J-20, etc., they will never, ever, ever compare with the brainchild of an American genius in terms of profit! smile
    2. godofwar6699
      godofwar6699 26 May 2016 11: 31
      -4
      Netherlands, the first two F-35As landed at Leeuwarden Air Base on May 23 hi
      1. Muvka
        Muvka 26 May 2016 11: 54
        +1
        Quote: godofwar6699
        Netherlands, the first two F-35As landed at Leeuwarden Air Base on May 23 hi

        They have no choice what to buy. That's all.
        1. godofwar6699
          godofwar6699 26 May 2016 12: 13
          -2
          Muvka They have no choice.

          laughing good
      2. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 26 May 2016 12: 33
        +3
        the first two F-35As landed at Leeuwarden Air Base
        Well, thank God. Though landed and no one died laughing
  • Streich
    Streich 26 May 2016 11: 12
    0
    In fact, all of these railguns you all see every day. Any electro-mechanical lock on the door is only the reverse. Already by discussion, it is clear that for a real, serial gizmo it is necessary: ​​1) a source of energy comparable to the exhaust (only tales about super tantalum capacitors are not needed, they also need to be charged), 2) the recharge time (and this is the most important) 3) well and range (the ballistic trajectory in this case does not work, as an experiment - yes, possibly.)
    Just recall the law of Lomonosov - Lavoisier has not yet been canceled.
    But in order to keep up, you need to make other devices, such as a microwave gun (yes, energy is also needed here and not small, but you don’t need to put this on the ship until there is thermonuclear energy. You can do with a stationary object with your own nuclear power plant) or something fundamentally new.
    1. bmv04636
      bmv04636 26 May 2016 11: 27
      0
      we are working to obtain electromagnetic pulses by explosive explosions as if I'm not mistaken an explosive electromagnetic generator. here's the railgun power source.
  • fan5
    fan5 26 May 2016 11: 13
    0
    Is it interesting at such flight speeds that a shell at a distance of 100 km will not burn in a dense atmosphere?
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    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 26 May 2016 11: 32
      +1
      No time, IMHO, tungsten all the same.
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 26 May 2016 11: 21
    +1
    .... well, do not be so derogatory about the Americans. It all starts with a small one, and their money is not measured. But we also keep the brand, thanks to the USSR, it left a worthy legacy, only we need to skillfully dispose of it.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 26 May 2016 11: 26
    +2
    Quote: Infinity
    Although railguns, for example, can disperse a projectile so well.

    I must disappoint you! You can endlessly disperse various lightweight shells - but you are not creating a sniper rifle or a PTO gun! A gun shell has some kind of mass (for example, 152-155mm. This is about 50 kg.) - BB and a shell for fragments (sometimes cassette) .You won’t run such a gun in a railgun, or these guns will drop below the baseboard, or the gun will turn into a monster cyclope. Here the article indicates a caliber of 100 mm. -but this is the diameter of the shell of the shell — what kind of core gauge (payload ) -question? Most likely it’s possible to shoot with blanks — how much harm they will cause in 100 km. — try to hit right on target! Toys with fantastic capabilities, but not suitable for practical use! hi
  • bmv04636
    bmv04636 26 May 2016 11: 30
    +1
    here is the power source
    1. n0isy
      n0isy 26 May 2016 12: 37
      +2
      Why does something blow up on the ship, get electricity, get EM again from electricity, get kinetic energy from it (the projectile is pushed), when you can IMMEDIATELY detonate in the barrel and push the projectile?
  • Nix1986
    Nix1986 26 May 2016 11: 40
    0
    The topic is pessimistic, the main problem is power installation, but on the ship it is not so critical. We are waiting for when they will put us in prison.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 26 May 2016 11: 41
    +2
    The idea is of course interesting, promising. But what will they do if the power plant is covered? And in general, guns are no longer used in modern naval combat. So, firing a cover for an armored crew, shooting aiming at an horizon with an unmanaged blank is a dubious pleasure, well, if the current is large and a sedentary target. For shooting at low satellites and high-altitude? Rate of fire is low. In general, a muddy story.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 26 May 2016 11: 51
    +1
    If you approach the Idea correctly .. then it has the right to exist .... Moreover, the kinematics will be WILD at the shell! You can just throw bolts at the neighbors)) fellow
  • Operator
    Operator 26 May 2016 12: 02
    +3
    General Atomics' 100 mm railgun MMRRWS is a total crap with its muzzle energy 10 MJ, projectile speed 1650 m / s and projectile weight 8 kg. The mass of railgun is equal to 5 tons, the mass of the storage capacitor bank is 12 tons.

    For comparison, the muzzle energy of the 125-mm tank gun 2А82 is 13,5 MJ at a projectile speed of 1800 m / s and projectile weight 8,4 kg. The mass of the gun is equal to 2,5 tons.
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 26 May 2016 12: 09
    +3
    It’s interesting, but will not a ship equipped with this type of weapon be defenseless after an electromagnetic pulse? After all, they must somehow screen that numerous electronic equipment that makes it possible to shoot from such cannons.
    1. Averias
      Averias 26 May 2016 14: 08
      +1
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      after an electromagnetic pulse?

      I am also puzzled by this question. What to do with EMR? But he will be of tremendous power. Sailors are not carbonized? What about the ship’s electronics? About the flare on the radars, I generally keep quiet. Such an EMP exhaust, even ground-based radars will detect. I could be wrong of course.
  • Bulrumeb
    Bulrumeb 26 May 2016 12: 24
    +1
    use kinetic blanks or tungsten shrapnel to hit targets. Ballistic trajectory of the MMRRWS can reach 100 km


    I'm sorry, because I’m not an expert, only how and what you can get into 100 km. disc ???
    1. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre 26 May 2016 13: 31
      +1
      I'm sorry, because I’m not an expert, only how and what you can get into 100 km. disc ???
      A lot to where. To heaven, for example. You can’t miss the continent from the coastal zone either ...
  • Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 26 May 2016 12: 44
    +1
    *** At a speed of 5-6 km. second electromagnetic projectile flies 100 km in 20 seconds (in vacuum)
    *** During this time, a target running for example 25 knots-46.3 km / h will move 257 meters ...
    *** What to do with a fishing boat of martyrs-fishermen catching valuable crayfish and crabs per 100 km.?
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  • lablizn
    lablizn 26 May 2016 13: 46
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    *** At a speed of 5-6 km. second electromagnetic projectile flies 100 km in 20 seconds (in vacuum)
    *** During this time, a target running for example 25 knots-46.3 km / h will move 257 meters ...

    That's it, and I'm about the same! At a distance of 100 km, a flat path is impossible - only ballistic.
    Corrections for wind, pressure, humidity, natural oscillations of the implement, etc.
    To hit a small-sized target with a blank you need a XNUMX% hit at the right point.
    In addition to the power plant, a cryogenic cooling system for electric magnets is needed, as currents in them reach tens of thousands of amperes.
    Capacitive batteries cannot be charged instantly due to resistance in the switching circuits, that is, again due to extra-large currents.
    We can conclude that this weapon is designed for stationary or inactive targets having vulnerability over a large area of ​​destruction.
    What are these goals, can someone tell me?
    1. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 26 May 2016 17: 16
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      Most likely, bunkers and headquarters, airfields, offshore platforms and coastal cities proper.

      Pisi: By the way, if the caliber of the gun is large enough, and the railgun itself is long (for smoother acceleration), then we can assume that the Yankees will be able to shove an atomic charge into the shell. Then it will be an almost indestructible tactical range delivery. All coastal cities will be in danger.
    2. Mama_Cholli
      Mama_Cholli 26 May 2016 17: 16
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      Most likely, bunkers and headquarters, airfields, offshore platforms and coastal cities proper.

      Pisi: By the way, if the caliber of the gun is large enough, and the railgun itself is long (for smoother acceleration), then we can assume that the Yankees will be able to shove an atomic charge into the shell. Then it will be an almost indestructible tactical range delivery. All coastal cities will be in danger.
  • Enoch
    Enoch 26 May 2016 13: 50
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    The current will shoot - the ship will become visible - stealth.
  • Titanumide
    Titanumide 26 May 2016 13: 51
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    100 km, skromnenko