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"Antonov" management: "In Russia," only the Sukhoi Design Bureau remained afloat, and we retained all our intellectual potential "

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Despite the fact that the Ukrainian aircraft manufacturing company Antonov, as a whole, de jure ceased to exist, its leadership continues to assert that this is a “new milestone in the development of the Ukrainian aircraft manufacturing industry.” Such a statement in an interview UNIAN made the vice president of the company Alexander Kotsyuba. According to him, Ukraine is changing the strategy of its presence in the aircraft manufacturing market and is moving to “aggressive marketing” (this is the term that Mr. Korzyuba personally used).


All the rest of his statement on the Ukrainian aircraft industry, apparently, should be linked precisely with the campaign for "aggressive marketing." So Kotsyuba announced that “the world has not produced anything more perfect than“ Ruslan ”and“ Mriya ”.

"Antonov":
Our "Mriya" has not left for the third week news releases around the world. The plane is solemnly greeted in Europe, Asia, Australia, and the Middle East.


"Antonov" management: "In Russia," only the Sukhoi Design Bureau remained afloat, and we retained all our intellectual potential "


From the statement Kotsyuby:
We can offer our customers transport aircraft with a payload from 2,5 t to 250 t, regional passenger planes in a niche to 100 seats and special-purpose aircraft. From the "new products" - An-132, light cargo, very promising aircraft, which we are creating with partners from Saudi Arabia.


At the same time Kotsyuba announced that “Antonov” continues to develop after the break of ties with Russia. But, according to Kotsyuba, the Russian aircraft building industry "is in decline":
In the same Russia, only the Sukhoi Design Bureau remained “afloat” - thanks to, basically, the military-technical segment. We, in spite of everything, have retained all the intellectual potential, the company employs about 13 thousand people.


The interview with Mr. Kotsyuba looks more like a strange advertisement of an enterprise, which is sawn by the authorities of Ukraine under the guise of "strategic development of the industry".
Photos used:
http://www.antonov.com
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  1. Smoked
    Smoked 25 May 2016 13: 00
    +12
    Make a bite of cotton! Type.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 25 May 2016 13: 03
      +43
      Maybe I don’t know something, but what, the NATO partners have already stood in line for Antonov’s planes ?!
      Or maybe all the EU civil aviation is burning a desire to transfer to them ?!
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 25 May 2016 13: 47
        +10
        Quote: Wiruz
        Maybe I don’t know something, but what, the NATO partners have already stood in line for Antonov’s planes ?!
        Or maybe all the EU civil aviation is burning a desire to transfer to them ?!

        Even if "lights up" I would like to see how they deploy the release of a series, 20 cars a year, at least.
        Well "new concept" ...
        I know what Antonov is doing now - repairing the Mongols (24, 26). This is what I once did at the Irkutsk 403 GA. Development, however ...
        What comes next?
        But there was a time when we at our (deceased) plant at the Ukrainian Antonov, looked like a god. It seemed to us that they can do everything. And now they, just like we used to be, picking holey cattle trucks, so as not to bend completely. More Hammers are repairing. Shame ..!
        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 25 May 2016 14: 11
          +28
          Look dumb and illiterate for the Ukrainian official is not a loss of face, but a special Svidomo valor. Russia last year released 140 combat aircraft (more than US), 280 helicopters, produced and civilian aircraft: SSJ-100, etc.

          Ukraine had to honestly decommunize the Soviet "Mriya", and not pass it off as its own fraudulent way. Ukraine cannot even make a new car - even the bodies are already bursting. Who will conclude an agreement with Ukraine for the supply of an aircraft in such circumstances? And how much do you need to pay those brave fools who agree to board a Ukrainian plane for flight?
          1. Darkmor
            Darkmor 25 May 2016 14: 40
            +36
            We can offer the customer transport aircraft

            Damn, why are all these (ukro) officials such verbiage. Give you numbers, and verbiage will not be necessary.
            Tell me how many AN aircraft were produced, how much there is a state order, how much there is an export order. And that’s all ...
            But no, they start the usual hurdy-gurdy, "We are all right, and the rash will soon be bent"
            Our "Mriya" for the third week does not leave news releases around the world.

            And MRIA, so this is generally a joke - it is not yours, it is ours, a common one. And they did it for the Buran space program, and not as a transporter for lard in the EU. However, what's the difference - you still can’t make a new one - so let the old one fly at least. And you take pictures, take pictures - while there is an opportunity.
            “Afloat” was left only by Sukhoi Design Bureau

            That’s what’s with it, and Russia shouldn’t have problems with aviation - both civilian and military. Another thing is that these problems are often created artificially, but this is another topic.
            My dear great Ukrainians - look at the world map, and at Russia. In the presence of such a territory and 150 million people there will always be an internal market for civil aviation. IS ALWAYS!
            In the 90s, we safely .. lost this market in favor of Boeing and Airbuses, which joyfully crushed it for themselves. Now we need to return it (thanks to the sanctions) - and there will be carcasses, and Sushki, and Ila, and Yaki safely plow the expanses of the universe.

            And you, Ukrainians, why aviation? Fly to the EU to earn money? Who will provide your orders for aircraft? Will Boeing give you its segment of the civil aviation market? Your state will provide a state order (oh do not tell, live hunting).

            I have no idea how, in theory, you can get NA out of your ass. Nobody needs him. Even you, ukram, do not need it - you use it only as a symbol, and not as an aircraft manufacturing enterprise. And the symbol does not need to produce anything - it is enough for him to stand in alcohol for long-term storage with a sign "She is not dead."
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 25 May 2016 15: 22
              +12
              Yes, our officials are not much better in terms of verbiage.
              1. dmi.pris
                dmi.pris 25 May 2016 17: 10
                +7
                Yes, and in those airlines where they had a hand, things were no better .. The Saratov plant was liquidated, now they are only making tactical missiles in Smolensk, in Voronezh there is a single unit for the government detachment .. In some ways, the right-military segment patrolman works, the civilian in the pen. . It is necessary to legally support airlines operating domestic aircraft.
                Quote: fzr1000
                Yes, our officials are not much better in terms of verbiage.
                1. Dryulea
                  Dryulea 27 May 2016 12: 01
                  0
                  And at the Smolensk aircraft factory, they always made rockets. And the Yak-40 assembled just a few pieces, one of which stands not far from the plant
      2. Simple
        Simple 25 May 2016 15: 16
        +2
        Turks, there Bashibuzuki elbows pushing against Antonov.
        For a year, I think everything will be taken to my place.
      3. Avega
        Avega 25 May 2016 17: 41
        +2
        Their bulge will burst across from such volumes of realization.
      4. APASUS
        APASUS 25 May 2016 20: 13
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        Maybe I don’t know something, but what, the NATO partners have already stood in line for Antonov’s planes ?!
        Or maybe all the EU civil aviation is burning a desire to transfer to them ?!

        No, just a man in the morning didn’t eat well ...........
      5. mikhail065
        mikhail065 31 May 2016 00: 48
        0
        And you did not know that hohloglists are very big dreamers? )))
    2. cniza
      cniza 25 May 2016 13: 04
      +27
      At the same time Kotsyuba announced that “Antonov” continues to develop after the break of ties with Russia. But, according to Kotsyuba, the Russian aircraft building industry "is in decline":



      Time will soon show who is in decline and who is fine ...
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 25 May 2016 13: 16
        -9
        Well, they built the largest diesel locomotive ... and sho? fellow
        1. kenig1
          kenig1 25 May 2016 13: 19
          +45
          And who built it, Ukraine?
          1. ASG7
            ASG7 25 May 2016 13: 33
            +13
            In general, what does Mr. Kotsyuba have to do with the production of Antonov's aircraft? How many of them did he produce?
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          3. boris-1230
            boris-1230 25 May 2016 13: 45
            +19
            And who built it, Ukraine?

            ukradina stood on the edge. "Mriya" was built in the USSR, components came from all over the Union - a one-piece copy, designed for a specific task. ukradina cannot even build a chassis for it on its own - the potential is not the same! But ambition! They can only measure themselves with "pussy" ... hi negative
            1. Felix
              Felix 25 May 2016 15: 14
              +7
              Quote: boris-1230
              The only thing they can do is measure up with "pussy" ..


              Yeah. Strangers.
          4. Oml
            Oml 25 May 2016 14: 00
            +2
            Quote: kenig1
            And who built it, Ukraine?


            And as usual with the offended "But in Russia that."
        2. gray smeet
          gray smeet 25 May 2016 13: 25
          +5
          Quote: Aryan
          Well, they built the largest diesel locomotive ... and sho? fellow

          Salovoz - are you talking about Mriya? Or what? For "MRIYA-Salovoz" from me "-"
          1. Aryan
            Aryan 25 May 2016 15: 30
            0
            in the photo in the article what? mriya?
            her! in the picture of the diesel
        3. erlikon
          erlikon 25 May 2016 13: 26
          +17
          Well put Mriyu built not only in Kiev. The wing was made in Tashkent. And all of them were built 2pcs. And they didn’t even assemble the third wing. Then, thanks to Gorbachev, we cut the finished wing parts for scrap!
        4. Avega
          Avega 25 May 2016 17: 44
          +5
          not they built it, but the USSR. They only collected cream ... and then managed to steal such a project.
      2. Rezident007
        Rezident007 25 May 2016 14: 25
        +2
        another peremoga ... they will soon, for example, sew the flag of their country with the size of ten football fields, then they will say with a malevolent ehidtse, - "... but in Russia there is such a nema .. sala urkians !!!!"
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 26 May 2016 10: 17
          +4
          In Northern Cyprus, a huge flag of Northern Cyprus is laid out on a mountain. Just monstrous. How many dozens (!) Of football fields. Visible from everywhere! You can’t take your eyes off as you drive along the road. But ... who recognized him, Northern Cyprus, and who cares about his flag?
          1. Rezident007
            Rezident007 27 May 2016 00: 07
            +3
            Quote: kalibr
            In Northern Cyprus, a huge flag of Northern Cyprus is laid out on a mountain. Just monstrous. How many dozens (!) Of football fields. Visible from everywhere! You can’t take your eyes off as you drive along the road. But ... who recognized him, Northern Cyprus, and who cares about his flag?

            So exactly who does he need this flag on xy and why? Just when there’s nothing to be proud of, they come up with all the jugs ... Just jesters
          2. BEECH 1972
            BEECH 1972 28 May 2016 20: 33
            0
            Then the offshore guys laughed in order. Americans at one time offered them to make a flag of the same size, but the United States. They preferred to lay out their fuck which no one needs. And so Cyprus would have made the new capital of handshake fighters for the right to the left, from around the world.
    3. Vend
      Vend 25 May 2016 13: 09
      +4
      In the same Russia, only the Sukhoi Design Bureau remained “afloat” - thanks to, basically, the military-technical segment. We, in spite of everything, have retained all the intellectual potential, the company employs about 13 thousand people.
      Well, with the policies pursued by Ukraine, this is not for long. Soon, there will be nothing left of Antonov. Laughs the one who laughs last.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 25 May 2016 13: 28
        +6
        Quote: Wend
        Soon, there will be nothing left of Antonov.

        Well, a lot left? It is unlikely! wink
        And Ruslan and Mriya - Soviet, not Ukrainian big achievement and the already very distant, including technologically, past.
        What else have "those who have kept the intellectual level" created, how many planes do they produce per year?
        Why is the main assembly plant of the same An-148 Voronezh, not Aviastar?
        Lepetuly, which is larger in Ukraine than before the fiig now, but from their babble no progress will come there.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 25 May 2016 13: 38
          +17
          Quote: Alekseev
          Both Ruslan and Mriya are Soviet, and not Ukrainian, great achievements and already very distant past, including technologically, the past.
          Well, yes, that "Mriya", which Ukrainians "swell" with, was built in 1988. But their "Mriya", which cannot be completed for a quarter of a century.
          1. BEECH 1972
            BEECH 1972 29 May 2016 04: 26
            +1
            \\\ And here is their "Mriya", which cannot be completed for a quarter of a century.
            /// And here it is, only from a more convenient angle, more fully revealing the picture, how an unfinished glider has peacefully decayed for 20 years next to decommissioned Liases. And this decade, a rotting glider on the street, is unlikely to bear structural loads.
        2. alekc75
          alekc75 25 May 2016 15: 17
          +3
          on an airplane, silt and kits for ms and su-100
      2. otter.1
        otter.1 26 May 2016 15: 14
        +1
        And that "Antonov" is still alive? As far as I understand astronomy, in what form KB, this is death, what would they try to assert there.
    4. siberalt
      siberalt 25 May 2016 13: 11
      +18
      Well, let's assume that the "Mriya" was sharpened by the "Buran" baud and remained, in my opinion, in a single copy. And even then he flies only with his carrier on board. Another "Mriya" cannot be built. And Ukraine has nothing to brag about. The plane was made in the USSR. As for the "Antonov" itself, there will soon be no wipers for all the design bureaus. laughing
      1. RUSOIVAN
        RUSOIVAN 25 May 2016 13: 14
        +6
        Our decadent industry has just smashed ISIS: imagine what the advanced ones will do!
      2. Engineer
        Engineer 25 May 2016 13: 26
        +11
        Mriya was never imprisoned under Buran. On the instructions of Lozi-Lozinsky, the Antonovites made Mriya under the MAKS. Parts of the Energia rocket and the blizzard itself were delivered to Baikonur 3M-T. When Mriya took off, the epic with Bran was already buried by Gorbachev. And all that was left for Mriya was to take Buran to an exhibition in Le Bourget.
        1. avt
          avt 25 May 2016 15: 29
          +6
          Quote: Engineer
          Mriya was never imprisoned under Buran.

          No. It was just under Buran that they did it, but NPO Molniya didn’t have time to remake Dandy into Atlant. But already in the 90s Lozino Lozinsky actually suggested MAKS to do it even before Clipper.
      3. Forget
        Forget 25 May 2016 13: 39
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        Another "Mriya" cannot be built.

        unequivocally, without Russian titanium and press forging equipment, the second Mriya cannot be built
    5. vodolaz
      vodolaz 25 May 2016 13: 23
      +15
      I remembered the joke:
      We examined your offer and decided to purchase some grass that you smoke.
    6. 79807420129
      79807420129 25 May 2016 13: 24
      +9
      In spite of everything, we retained all our intellectual potential.

      Quote: Smoked
      Make a bite of cotton! Type.

      Well, yes, well, yes, they did, but I don’t know what they have saved there, what potential, if many specialists from Motor Sich are already working on the Saturn in Rybinsk. That's how Zori Mash is already waiting for specialists on the maritime theme. yes
    7. GSH-18
      GSH-18 25 May 2016 18: 54
      +1
      "Antonov" management: "In Russia," only the Sukhoi Design Bureau remained afloat, and we retained all our intellectual potential "

      laughing You can read only the title, further reading is not necessary laughing laughing D.B. fool
  2. Wiruz
    Wiruz 25 May 2016 13: 00
    +37
    Our "Mriya" for the third week does not leave the news releases around the world. The plane is solemnly met in Europe, Asia, Australia, the Middle East.

    For your Mriya, say thanks to the Soviet Union, as well as for Antonov Design Bureau itself. Yes, in general, for all of Ukraine and Ukrainians - thanks (here is sarcasm) to Lenin and his gang wassat
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 25 May 2016 19: 18
      +2
      Quote: Wiruz
      Our "Mriya" for the third week does not leave the news releases around the world. The plane is solemnly met in Europe, Asia, Australia, the Middle East.

      For your Mriya, say thanks to the Soviet Union, as well as for Antonov Design Bureau itself. Yes, in general, for all of Ukraine and Ukrainians - thanks (here is sarcasm) to Lenin and his gang wassat

      There is a popular proverb about the whole Khokhlostan: "The fool is getting richer with his thought!" lol
  3. aksakal
    aksakal 25 May 2016 13: 01
    +13
    Of course, the loss of positions in the Russian aviation industry, but not Antonovites to judge about this
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 25 May 2016 13: 05
      +15
      Can you explain this to them?

      What difference does it have that we have nothing, look, there are people in Russia who already have beavers from hunger !!! wassat

      And you can’t explain to them that beaver is a delicacy winked
      1. avt
        avt 25 May 2016 13: 07
        +9
        Quote: Wiruz
        And you can’t explain to them that beaver is a delicacy

        Heraza !? This one is still eating beaver! Hedgehogs have already gone, hedgehogs, everyone is hunting in the forest!
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 25 May 2016 13: 18
          +19
          Heraza !? This one is still eating beaver!

          Probably stayed from last year. We have already eaten all the hedgehogs, we are switching to sparrows. Cockroaches and other insects are already nervous.
          1. Dimy4
            Dimy4 25 May 2016 13: 58
            +5
            And in Europe, according to rumors, snails are eaten. With hunger probably.
            1. BEECH 1972
              BEECH 1972 28 May 2016 20: 41
              0
              \\\ And in Europe, according to rumors, snails eat. With hunger probably.
              /// This is not yet from hunger. Snails, like frogs and other vile and cold delicacies, go well from nerves. To restore the natural balance of balanced thoughts and a cold head, so to speak.
          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 25 May 2016 14: 44
            +3
            Quote: Wedmak
            Probably stayed from last year.

            Men, where to get hedgehogs, do not tell me? Quinoa ends
            1. Red_Hamer
              Red_Hamer 25 May 2016 15: 55
              +2
              Quinoa? Well then the nettle went, dandelions. You need protein, go pick wood in bark beetles. laughing
          3. Red_Hamer
            Red_Hamer 25 May 2016 15: 40
            0
            Beavers and hedgehogs are not in trend today, we have already eaten them all, the population has not recovered. I have to interrupt the Bugagaga mouse laughing Smuggled from DNR, deliveries are coming to us! Don't believe me? There is also a photo in the internet, - "Premium Dining Mouse". And so, a by-product for food diets: "Ice cream food mouse." Marinate in "Fiesta" sauce for 4 hours. And in the oven until golden brown! Under Romanee Conti they go very well, I recommend good
        2. razmik72
          razmik72 25 May 2016 13: 31
          +3
          Quote: avt
          Quote: Wiruz
          And you can’t explain to them that beaver is a delicacy

          Heraza !? This one is still eating beaver! Hedgehogs have already gone, hedgehogs, everyone is hunting in the forest!

          Hedgehogs are crazy wassat , I heard it on Russian TV, I would have to be careful. smile
          1. engineer74
            engineer74 25 May 2016 13: 57
            +5
            What for hedgehogs ?!
            Caviar is already not enough for everyone!
            1. engineer74
              engineer74 25 May 2016 14: 04
              +2
              And gasoline for 34 €!
              1. Dali
                Dali 26 May 2016 14: 51
                +1
                Actually, in the photo Eurocents per liter ...
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  4. ded100
    ded100 25 May 2016 13: 01
    +6
    You can’t even offer a corn mailer. You can’t launch balloons! wassat
  5. kotvov
    kotvov 25 May 2016 13: 02
    +1
    it’s necessary to understand that they’ll trade heads.
    1. BEECH 1972
      BEECH 1972 28 May 2016 20: 54
      +1
      Well, why immediately bounty, Antonov Design Bureau plans to break the aviation modeling market. They will sculpt radio-controlled models with virtual video control, the creators of the 7th generation Azovets tank promised to help with video equipment, they say the eyes from the tank still remain.
  6. Corvetkapitan
    Corvetkapitan 25 May 2016 13: 03
    +10
    It is enough to compare how many, after the collapse of the USSR, the Tu-204 was built in the Russian Federation, various modifications and how many Anovs were built in Ukraine, and even with the use of Russian components ... Dill yap ...
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 25 May 2016 13: 40
      +4
      Well, there’s been enough.

      Tu-2XX less than 100, even considering rejected.
      http://russianplanes.net/planelist/Tupolev/Tu-204/214
      An-74 - 79 machines from the 92 of the year in Kharkov.
      http://russianplanes.net/planelist/Antonov/An-72/74
      An-32 - 90 pieces, including the current contract for Iraq.
      http://russianplanes.net/planelist/Antonov/An-32
      Plus how much is An-140 in Kharkov.
      http://russianplanes.net/planelist/Antonov/An-140

      Although, in general, the backlog is used, funds are not updated, new developments, mainly restating old ones, and the same 140 / 148 / 158 are stillborn, to be honest, as the order map shows (that is, the market does not need them, the only 148 and 140 customer - federal departments of Russia from under the stick).
      1. Corvetkapitan
        Corvetkapitan 25 May 2016 15: 02
        +10
        And now about the birds. All the Russian-made avionics on Anakh, Russian-made propellers, and so on. Some of the An-aircraft that are now in service with the RF Air Force are generally assembled in the Russian Federation. Question - What was assembled in Ukraine? All these An-32s were produced in the USSR, and about that how, under the guise of new armored personnel carriers, Ukraine sold armored hulls removed from old, still Soviet armored personnel carriers, armored hulls abroad, we have heard a lot ... So with the An-32, for sure, the same story. new and repaired them not without the use of components from the Russian Federation. There is not a single Ukrainian nut on the Tu-204, it is a completely Russian plane. All Ruslan and Mriya aircraft were built not in Ukraine, but in the USSR, after the collapse of which Ukraine did not build a single Ruslan and Mriya aircraft. Russia, without Ukraine, is building not only the Tu-204, but also the Il-476, which also lack Ukrainian spare parts. In Russia, after the collapse of the USSR, several large Il-96s were built, one Tu-160 was completed ... in the industry of the Russian Federation are not rosy, but even comparing the aviation industry of the Russian Federation and Ukraine is ridiculous ...
  7. avt
    avt 25 May 2016 13: 06
    +5
    We can offer the customer transport aircraft with carrying capacities from 2,5 tons to 250 tons, regional passenger aircraft in the niche up to 100 seats and special-purpose aircraft.
    You could offer, but no one will buy anything.
    this is "a new milestone in the development of the Ukrainian aircraft industry." Such a statement in an interview with UNIAN made the vice president of the company Alexander Kotsyuba.
    Aha! Exactly ! The old proven "new era" of dismantling equipment and structures for scrap metal. We have already passed this in Russia. wassat The past management, we must pay tribute, really preserved both the design bureau and the transport company, uniting into the Antonov concern? And these maydaunnyh racers are only rubbing their own theft with such beeps about the peremogs. I would have fired about the fact that Antonov will take part in creation of a new ship structure for the Naval Forces of Ukraine. fool Some kind of stream of reverse consciousness. request
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 May 2016 13: 06
    +5
    Someday they will sleep it off and go nuts! And they will take a long time to figure out what they have done. (And "partners from Saudi Arabia" are cool. What a great aviation power, pioneers, so to speak. A carpet plane is like from those lands.) That "Ruslans" and "Mriya" are Soviet planes and they were built by the whole Union about this not a word.
  9. Muvka
    Muvka 25 May 2016 13: 06
    +5
    And "Tupolev" where did it go? Did I oversleep something?
  10. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 25 May 2016 13: 07
    +9
    I already asked something: how do they feed them all, that brains wedge on the jerboa.
    I think that this is another "specialist" of whom there are plenty everywhere, he does not know history, traditions, and even more so, he has never seen the globe either. But the task of "yapping" on command is performed like Pavlov's dog, which is still needed for Europeanization. Sad, very sad ..
  11. svp67
    svp67 25 May 2016 13: 07
    +2
    Our "Mriya" for the third week does not leave the news releases around the world. The plane is solemnly met in Europe, Asia, Australia, the Middle East.
    She is not YOURS, she is GENERAL - ALLIANCE.
    At the same time, Kotsyuba announced that Antonov continued to develop after breaking ties with Russia.
    And the fact that almost all new developments were carried out with Russian money, and we almost didn’t get the result of them ...
    But, according to Kotsyuba, the Russian aircraft industry is "in decline":
    Well, well, TIME, will it show that this is "PEREMOGA" or "ZRADA"?
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 25 May 2016 13: 44
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      And the fact that almost all new developments were carried out with Russian money, and we almost didn’t get the result of them ..


      It is a pity that the Saudis do not know about this ... They bred them for money, like suckers ...
  12. Wolka
    Wolka 25 May 2016 13: 09
    0
    and in general, in Ukrainian, to offer does not mean yet to do, there are more than enough examples of this, is it worth it
  13. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 25 May 2016 13: 10
    +12
    Tu-204SM are under construction, IL-76MD-90A, tankers plan to build aircraft on the basis of IL-96-400. Soon they will begin to produce MS-21.
    And what does Antonov Design Bureau produce? They are all proud of the An-225 aircraft, but they designed and built it in the USSR, if they are so independent that they won’t complete the second An-225?
  14. pts-m
    pts-m 25 May 2016 13: 10
    +3
    As in a popular saying ... if you don’t remember about yourself, then no one will remember about you ... urine, it is a ruin.
  15. Evgen2x
    Evgen2x 25 May 2016 13: 12
    0
    White is called black, black is white! in the style of the Great Ukrainians))) And if they call everything as it is, they themselves will shake it, what they did!
  16. NEXUS
    NEXUS 25 May 2016 13: 18
    +10
    Our "Mriya" for the third week does not leave the news releases around the world. The plane is solemnly met in Europe, Asia, Australia, the Middle East.

    If I'm not mistaken, the AN-225 "Mriya" is now in a single copy. Further ... the second copy of the Ukrainians cannot finish building this way. Production: new large-sized milled power frames, fuselage lows and brackets, some serial units and parts of the aircraft-JSC " Aviastar-SP "(Russia), production of the aircraft landing gear-Nizhny Novgorod open joint-stock company" Hydromash "(Russia), even painting was carried out by specialists from Voronezh ... and now the question isHow are Antonovites going to build Mriya, if there is an order?
    To lug, not to carry bags! fool
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 25 May 2016 13: 53
      +8
      .and now the question is: How are the Antonovites going to build Mriya, if there is an order?

      But they are not going to build. Farted into the water and happily watching the bubbles. We experience them more! negative
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 29 May 2016 17: 06
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      How are Antonovites going to build Mriya, if there is an order?

      As usual. Language! They will say that the Russians are to blame for everything! lol
  17. Engineer
    Engineer 25 May 2016 13: 19
    +11
    Your intellectual potential is several tons of cargo in the nose of the aircraft, due to the fact that employees can no longer calculate the alignment of the aircraft, which third-year students of a specialized educational institution can do! There was no such shame in the era of drawing boards and rulers, but now, when designing in CAD systems, make such a mistake! The management of "Antonov" disgraces the glorious name of the Soviet designer, and indeed the entire Soviet aviation industry!
    1. Corvetkapitan
      Corvetkapitan 25 May 2016 15: 54
      +3
      OKB Antonova, these are Russian Antonov and Izotov (author of engines, for AN aircraft). No Russians, no Anov ...
  18. le-s-ha
    le-s-ha 25 May 2016 13: 26
    +1
    From neighboring news "Samara" Aviakor "handed over to the customer another An-140 aircraft, manufactured under a state contract with the RF Ministry of Defense." Let this board be credited to themselves, I think Aviakor will not feel sorry for it (and most likely just indifferent)
  19. HAM
    HAM 25 May 2016 13: 28
    +1
    In fact, the "saved" intellectual potential for some reason helps to build the AN 140s in Ulyanovsk, and "aggressive marketers" sit in Kueva ... and .. dream that the Arabs will build "Dreams".
  20. KRIG55
    KRIG55 25 May 2016 13: 29
    +1
    Yes, we do not mind, let them develop aggressively. Only you cannot praise yourself - no one will. "Mriya" can be thrown at the ATO, after all, the payload - no one has such ...
  21. Eastern wind
    Eastern wind 25 May 2016 13: 31
    +2
    Kotsyuba’s glass will blow a glass - and the most powerful aircraft building in Ukraine, another will wave — everybody is jealous of the Ukrainians, the third will wave… here the hallucinations begin to be more powerful ...
  22. ARES623
    ARES623 25 May 2016 13: 35
    +2
    It would be better if he told how many cars were sold to customers in 2015. This is factual material. And you don't need to talk a lot about your dreams, and there is zero sense from them. He says all this so that he himself, along with the chair, is not "carried out." Everything that Antonov can produce today (again, if there are firm and at least partially paid contracts) was developed back in the USSR, at least in the early 90s, when the aviation industry system of the former Soviet republics was still working within the framework of union integration. And then - everything new ended, rework and repainting of old projects began. The same An-225 is unlikely to be built today according to a finished project. There is a feeling that today Ukraine will not be able to manufacture the D-18T, let alone bring it to the level of modern certification for foreign countries. exploitation. So this Kotsyuba should not puff up his cheeks, but restore the broken ties with Russia. But this question is not of his level. We will see how they will offer "to the customer transport aircraft with a payload from 2,5 tons to 250 tons, regional passenger aircraft in the niche of up to 100 seats and special-purpose aircraft." Most likely in the form of production licenses ...
  23. sir_obs
    sir_obs 25 May 2016 13: 36
    +2
    Heh, the plane was built in the Soviet Union, it must be decommunized urgently, and not fly to Europe. What about the second? Let them show a picture of what is left of it. For the entire time of independence, they could not finish building, and yet he was 90 percent ready. So it turns up.

    Published in 2009


    "ANTK named after Antonov assumes that commercial operation of the second An-225 will begin in 2-3 years


    Kiev. 21 July. INTERFAX-UKRAINE - The second transport An-225 "Mriya" with a carrying capacity of 250 tons can enter the world market for commercial transportation of large-sized and super-heavy cargo in 2-3 years, they do not exclude the ANTK im. Antonova (Kiev).

    "Today we are negotiating with investors on the completion of the aircraft. There are customers who want to invest and use the aircraft in two versions: as a unique transport aircraft, as well as in the space program," the General Designer of the ANTK named after. Antonova Dmitry Kiva during the Farnborough 2008 International Aviation and Space Show (Great Britain), which took place on July 14-20.

    "The time frame (for the car to enter the market - IF) is 2-3 years," the general designer suggested.

    "The glider is ready, the question only concerns the equipment of the aircraft," he said.

    An-225 "Mriya" was created in 1988 for transportation from manufacturing plants and reserve airfields of the orbital spacecraft "Buran", as well as rocket blocks "Energia" to the cosmodrome "Baikonur" (Kazakhstan). In addition, the aircraft was planned to be used as an air launch platform for space launches. The aircraft construction program was curtailed due to the collapse of the USSR.

    In the spring of 2001 the aircraft was restored, in the same year the type certificate was received and the commercial operation of the aircraft began. it's all about 01-01. namely now UR-82060. "


    And the second glider rotted
  24. bmv04636
    bmv04636 25 May 2016 13: 38
    +2
    The flight tests of the Ukrainian An-178 identified a serious design error: the latest military transport aircraft has incorrect alignment, which is why the aircraft can only fly with ballast weighing 1,32 tons in the form of 15 steel plates laid behind the cockpit. This was reported by "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" with reference to insider information of GP Antonov, which appeared to bloggers.

    It was with such a load that the An-178 traveled to air shows in Le Bourget and Dubai. Immediately after landing, the plates were unloaded and hid, the newspaper writes.

    Experts suggest that the reason for the misalignment of the machine was the decision to increase the wingspan and the area of ​​the wings. At the same time, the designers left the fuselage unchanged. Wings changed due to mismatch of takeoff and landing characteristics declared.

    An-178 was designed and built by the Antonov Ukrainian State Aircraft Corporation. Work on the creation of the aircraft began in 2010, the first flight of the An-178 made in May 2015. Oh how
  25. weksha50
    weksha50 25 May 2016 13: 38
    +1
    ""In Russia, only the Sukhoi design bureau remained "afloat", and we retained all the intellectual potential ".....
    this is “a new milestone in the development of the Ukrainian aircraft industry
    "...

    Mdyayayaya ... Tales of Aunt Owls for very little ...
    I will not talk about Russian aviation design bureaus ...
    I had a good acquaintance in the early 80s - a design engineer from the Antonov Design Bureau (he has been in Singapore for a long time, and I have no connection with him as much) ...
    I once told when I was visiting him in Kiev about existing already then corruption schemes in this company ... How projects were pushed in, scammed with them, and as a result, these projects were patented in the same USA - one to one ... This was the case with the fastening system for Buran on Mriya, and more brought a bunch of examples ...

    I do not think that in modern Ukraine something has improved at least one iota in the Antonov Design Bureau ...
    And I don’t think that they still have at least some kind of intellectual and production potential ...

    Their aircraft do not need anyone but Russia ... And since they still have not understood this, what kind of intelligence are we talking about ???
    1. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 25 May 2016 13: 51
      +2
      Their aircraft do not need anyone but Russia ... And since they still have not understood this, what kind of intelligence are we talking about ???

      They tried to stir up something with the Arabs .... but they got it right in time, that with the current relations between Russia and Ukraine, due to the fact that the Tuva heap of components for Antonov’s planes came from Russia ... then the Arabs really faced the prospect of not getting anything .
      This stuffing is another attempt to show how good it is to live and work in an independent, and how badly in Russia.
      And where are they going to build something? In Ukraine, as far as I remember, two aircraft factories. In Kiev and in Kharkov.
  26. Olegovi4
    Olegovi4 25 May 2016 13: 38
    +1
    I strongly do not understand these people. because soon they will go around the world, living in the once one of the richest regions of the Earth. devastation, desolation around. wake up people. throw out the TV.
  27. gukoyan
    gukoyan 25 May 2016 13: 44
    +4
    Mriya is a beautiful plane .... But it’s only Soviet, not Khokhlyat.
  28. itvs
    itvs 25 May 2016 13: 45
    +4
    It sounds corny: The country is the people who live in it + the resource base determined by the territory.
    And the country's success is how much more value added these people create. If these are shepherds and collectors of nuts and honey - this is one thing. If these are engineers in high-tech production, this is a completely different scenario. Aviation and space industry allow to create many (including secondary) jobs. / Next question: to provide a market for these products. With the West, everything is clear, any manufacturers of third countries (Japan, Canada, Brazil, including about Ukraine and the Russian Federation, I generally keep quiet), the EU and the states will mercilessly drown, driving into unprofitable niches. The Russian Federation has a huge domestic market due to the territory. But Ukraine alone is doomed. And no mantras will help here, the generation will change - ten years are left - and Antonov and Yuzhmash will melt like mirages.
  29. itvs
    itvs 25 May 2016 13: 51
    +1
    regarding the prospects of our country. If in the future our authorities will continue to defend the interests of the country, as they have been doing consistently over the past ten years, then as soon as ms-21 takes wing (Yakovlev design bureau by the way), then the preferences for saturating the domestic market with this machine will be several times greater than for superjet-a / Since the share of domestic components in it is critically higher.
  30. askort154
    askort154 25 May 2016 13: 57
    +2
    Where is the SBU and Lyashko looking ?! Kotsyuba brazenly advertises the remains of the Soviet aircraft industry around the world!
    Antonov Design Bureau was born in Novosibirsk. Kotsyubu urgently in the trash can!
  31. qwert111
    qwert111 25 May 2016 13: 59
    0
    Of course, I do not know about the intellectual potential, but I recall the article: "Ukraine sold to Croatia MiGs with" broken serial numbers "" With such intelligence, I look forward to a fast flight to Mars.
  32. vetor
    vetor 25 May 2016 14: 01
    0
    Did Ukraine create a mriy? It must be cut according to the decunization law. When the USSR was developed and built.
  33. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 25 May 2016 14: 02
    0
    In the same Russia, only the Sukhoi Design Bureau was “afloat”
    gurgled, choking, Kotsyuba. With Saudi Arabia, you say, will you produce planes? Heh !! "The blind man said," let's see. "
  34. JonnyT
    JonnyT 25 May 2016 14: 03
    0
    Ragul in the manual - that says it all.
  35. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 25 May 2016 14: 03
    +1
    Antonov's future depends on luck or failure
    their joint project with the UAE
    (and by Saudi, it seems).
    Their An-178 has a niche in the market. The Chinese are very
    are interested. If the An-178 goes widely, then
    Antonov will be "on horseback".
    1. bmv04636
      bmv04636 25 May 2016 14: 13
      +1
      the plane with cast-iron plates will be delivered to the customer
      1. 1rl141
        1rl141 25 May 2016 15: 01
        +3
        Quote: bmv04636
        the plane with cast-iron plates will be delivered to the customer


        Of course! And in addition to the plates, as a bonus, 10 Ukrainians for unloading and loading of these plates. For soldering, they will fly wherever you want without days off and holidays.
    2. Skubudu
      Skubudu 25 May 2016 14: 24
      +2
      RF supplies of components they block and sailed ...
    3. avt
      avt 25 May 2016 15: 40
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Antonov's future depends on luck or failure
      their joint project with the UAE
      (and by Saudi, it seems).

      laughing And how many of our protocols were written with the Saudis and other Arabs, well ....
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Their An-178 has a niche in the market.

      laughing This "niche" is called no shisha. The device was blinded on a fast ramp from the An-148 solely in order to fit into the RF Ministry of Defense in place of the decelerated Il-214. It is no longer WELL-SAME-N! with usovskiye engines and components, which was lifted into the air earlier, and this flying banner can be disassembled for non-ferrous metal.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      that
      Antonov will be "on horseback".

      “If I had a horse, it would be a number, if a horse had me, I’d probably die,” Antonov said, “dying. we will not let it into the series. Now they don't even have to strain - they will optimize the costs in Ukraine and the aviation industry will die there. The Kharkov Aviation Plant has already stopped.
    4. sir_obs
      sir_obs 25 May 2016 18: 31
      +1
      If the Chinese are interested, then they will buy one and replicate themselves
  36. twincam
    twincam 25 May 2016 14: 19
    +4
    "our Mriya")))
    pleased)))

    Ukrainians from the existing team have at least 1 person related to the design or construction of the AN-225?
  37. izGOI
    izGOI 25 May 2016 14: 34
    +1
    Our "Mriya" for the third week does not leave the news releases around the world. The plane is solemnly met in Europe, Asia, Australia, the Middle East.
    I am sitting in Europe, watching news releases. Whatever they say (and about Obama, and about Merkel and about the Islamization of Europe, and about the Portuguese, who sold NATO secrets to Russia), and I've never heard of Mriya.
  38. sodick
    sodick 25 May 2016 14: 46
    0
    Quote: Darkmor
    With such a territory and 150 million people there will always be an internal market for civil aviation. IS ALWAYS!
    Yeah, wait more, at such prices it’s cheaper to fly abroad than in Russia. Yes, and regional airports are closed. We cannot catch up with the USSR in the amount of air transportation with our wild capitolism and the desire for bureaucrats for quick profit and sky-high salaries that are not comparable to their real work.
  39. zak167
    zak167 25 May 2016 14: 50
    0
    So many idiots in one country are obviously too much.
  40. edeligor
    edeligor 25 May 2016 14: 59
    0
    I caught myself thinking that Ukrainian food companies generally cannot exist without Russia. In every thought, word, interview. Maybe it's love? Like children, right.
  41. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 25 May 2016 15: 14
    +2
    Design Bureau Antonov retained no more competencies than Design Bureau Ilyushin. But KB Ilyushin:
    1. Moved the production of IL-76 from Uzbekistan
    2. Fully upgraded the IL-76, in fact, in a new plane.
    3. organizes mass production.
    4. The next stage of the IL-114.
    With all this, our advantage is a large domestic market and a closed production cycle.
  42. ksv36
    ksv36 25 May 2016 15: 25
    +2
    I already hate yellow-blue color matching ...
  43. siberalt
    siberalt 25 May 2016 15: 52
    +4
    "Buran" riding on "Mriya"
  44. exo
    exo 25 May 2016 16: 02
    +1
    Only everything Antonov Design Bureau is proud of: done in the USSR. Although, we must pay tribute to them, the An-148/158 and An-178 family, the brainchild of an already independent design bureau. Moreover, the An-178, with normal western engines, can take its niche in the world.
    As for the Russian design bureaus, he is in many respects right. The truth is that a revival was slowly taking place.
  45. Orionvit
    Orionvit 25 May 2016 16: 42
    +3
    Quote: boris-1230
    And who built it, Ukraine?

    ukradina stood on the edge. "Mriya" was built in the USSR, components came from all over the Union - a one-piece copy, designed for a specific task. ukradina cannot even build a chassis for it on its own - the potential is not the same! But ambition! They can only measure themselves with "pussy" ... hi negative

    Well, maybe the engines too, if Motor Sich bends, only Ukraine doesn't have enough money. in the entire history of Independence, 25 years, there was only one order for Motor Sich from Ukraine, for the repair of eight helicopter engines. This is how they support their manufacturer. Why don't they cut Mriya under the decommunization law? This is the legacy of the bloody scoop.
  46. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 25 May 2016 16: 58
    +1
    Europe is too small to allow Ukraine to enter the domestic industry. If I am not mistaken, the leadership of the French Airbus has already spoken out about this.
    Again, the aircraft industry is expensive. To obtain development and, accordingly, profit, huge investments are needed. (Pennies - where). In Ukraine, it was planned to adopt an aircraft building program for 7 years, for 37 billion hryvnia - 5 billion a year. But at the same time, the government took on only 16 billion. Question: - "Where does Zin's money come from?" Who will invest in the "black hole"
    for example,
    According to the Russian program, the volume of financing the sector in 2013 - 2025 will amount to 991,64 billion rubles.
  47. bmv04636
    bmv04636 25 May 2016 17: 13
    0
    it’s not regrettable to say, but Antonov’s design bureau died
    1. iouris
      iouris 25 May 2016 17: 35
      +3
      Moses was the first to introduce technology: to lead people in the desert for 40 years. Everything that remains of the USSR "dies" in 15 years and will begin ...
      Instead of one general secretary, we have 15 Moses.
  48. behemot
    behemot 25 May 2016 18: 24
    0
    what is it. Well, yes, the black lord said that the Russian economy is torn, then torn!
  49. certero
    certero 25 May 2016 19: 24
    +2
    Quote: exo
    Only everything that Antonov Design Bureau is proud of: done in the USSR.

    What is striking is how quickly they were able to change the consciousness of an entire nation. Now, after all, the nationality of a scientist, constructor, military leader is constantly emphasized on the independence one. Although they were all citizens of the empire. What can I say, well done their ideologists.
  50. proud
    proud 25 May 2016 21: 45
    +1
    Such creations of human hands (Mriya) are the personification of greatness! Today's Ukraine and Greatness - Things are not compatible! Mriya for Ukraine is a monument to the former industrial and scientific intellectual power, which it seems to me that it has lost forever!