Russians Yerofeev and Alexandrov, as well as Ukrainian Savchenko delivered to Rostov-on-Don for the procedure of mutual transfer to Moscow and Kiev

Today began the process of exchange of citizens of Russia Alexander Alexandrov and Yevgeny Yerofeyev for a citizen of Ukraine Nadezhda Savchenko. Recall that the Ukrainian and Russian courts sentenced the Russians and Ukrainians, respectively, to the actual terms of imprisonment, recognizing the commission of those crimes. The information about the start of the exchange is confirmed by the lawyer Erofeev and Aleksandrova Oksana Sokolovskaya.

On his Facebook page, the lawyer of the convicted Savchenko, Mark Feigin, published a statement by his client, which states that it prohibits appealing and asking for pardon.

From Savchenko's note:

In case of violation of my will, please regard it as a betrayal ...

The full text of the statement:

On the eve it became known that Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov also refused to ask for pardon. The petition was filed on behalf of their lawyers.

However, the exchange procedure (or more precisely, that the mutual transfer of citizens of Ukraine and Russia to serve their sentences in their homeland) is still begun. Interfax reports that Russians Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov on the plane of the President of Ukraine were taken to Rostov-on-Don. Some time before that, it was reported that Petro Poroshenko "pardoned the Russians." Nadezhda Savchenko was also delivered to Rostov-on-Don.

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[Thrall]

Overall, a positive exchange. We will return both our own and the abnormal MEP Nadia will create many problems in Ukraine. Poroshenko and Co. will regret more than once that they took her.

[RUSS]

Quote: Thrall

Abnormal MEP Nadia will create a lot of problems in Ukraine

I wonder what kind of problems? And how will she create them?

[cniza]

She is not needed alive in Ukraine, they will make a sacred sacrifice from her and blame Russia.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: cniza

She is not needed alive in Ukraine, they will make a sacrifice out of her and blame Russia.

How? Soak when you try to escape? How else can they fasten Russia?

Quote: theadenter

The resonant figure that we were FORCED to let go. That there were no questions - the exchange goes on our two, so that it would not be so shameful.

I'm afraid to seem immodest, but I spoke of such an opportunity, as highly probable, even before the trial of Syavchenko. Almost no one here believed me. It is pleasant to be a prophet, but not in such circumstances. I consider this exchange a disgrace for our country, a spit on relatives who died due to the punitive, Russian journalists and an insult to the memory of our children.
The Russians will be served this under the sauce "Russia does not abandon its own!", Hushing up the fact that our other fellow citizens are in Ukrainian prisons. And in Ukraine, the return of the "national heroine" will be unambiguously perceived as a victory over Mordor. You cannot give such trump cards to the enemy in an info-war. No way. I hope the Russian authorities understand what they are doing. Although, if he understands, then this makes him even nastier.

[KAV]

How? Soak when you try to escape? How else can they fasten Russia?

Yes, it’s very simple, IMHO, just as they drag us to the death of a former security officer in London ...

[Damask]

Another bl - b at the edge will make a saint

[dorogvalera]

"I consider this exchange to be a shame for our country," but what is the shame? This, would spoil our karma, with its hunger strikes and hysterics, all the time. For those who suffered from this "man", of course, everything is more complicated, but knowing her character, the punishment will find her much earlier at large than in prison, only this is the hope. But how much joy the relatives of the released, in this case, life and not death wins.

[ZKB]

she did not spoil my karma, but at least she died of hunger. and now I see the toothlessness of our authorities. in this case money wins, not justice

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: dorogvalera

This, would spoil our karma, with my hunger strikes and tantrums, all the time.

In the eyes of the Ukrainian, and even the Western man in the street, our, as you have deigned to say, "karma" can not be spoiled by anything - Russia, through the efforts of foreign media, has been demonized at the very least. In general, it was not necessary to conduct a public trial over Savchenko, so that later she shamefully surrendered. My opinion has not changed - it would be better for everyone if this pilot-gunner was quietly put to rest in a forest plantation near the village. Happiness, and would not be dragged to Russia.

[dorogvalera]

[Quote] In the eyes of the Ukrainian, and even the Western man in the street, our, as you deigned to say, "karma" You have not heard anything good from this news at all? They freed two of ours. Or for the sake of your imaginary adherence to principles, two of our compatriots had to rot? Well, go to Ukraine and calm her down in the forest belt, hero, on the sofa this is not for you in the SBU, you would immediately ask for an exchange with the devil. That the "hero" changed his mind?

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: dorogvalera

Well, go to Ukraine and calm her down in a forest belt, hero, on a sofa

I'm with You my dear, the geese did not pass so that You they poked me. And about "put to rest" .. There is an old army wisdom - "the initiative, uh .. has an initiator." So, the militias from the Zarya battalion, who captured the Bullet and handed it over to the Russian side, did a disservice to themselves, including. In the bottom line: the psychopath and killer Savchenko, from the point of view of Ukrainians, is a heroine who with honor withstood captivity and imprisonment and, with her unbending will, defeated the separatists, Russia and Putin personally. I do not think that this fact will serve to raise the morale of the LDNR militia. The question will arise: Donbass is next in line and what will it be exchanged for?

Quote: dorogvalera

Released our two

I am very glad that they released me. But there our citizenship, as well as our convictions in prisons, is still languishing. What is it with them? If Sava is so important for Ukraine, then they would change it to all prisoners of war and political prisoners. That would be an equivalent exchange. In addition, it seems that there were a lot of options for how to get Erofeeva and Alexandrova out of there. The example of Kadyrov and LifeNews journalists is very revealing.
PS Learn to communicate adequately and politely with strangers. Useful in life.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Ami du peuple

My opinion has not changed - it would be better for everyone if this pilot-gunner were quietly quieted in a forest plantation near the village. Happiness, rather than being dragged to Russia.

I fully support it, although on the fact of the exchange I think that it is necessary to change, for us it is more minus (these do not break), and there it is a destabilizing factor in the political situation. It’s one thing when she’s far away, but quite another when people can vote for her. In general, Poroshenko added a specific headache.

[Hlavaty]

Quote: dorogvalera

"I consider this exchange to be a shame for our country," but what is the shame?

It is a shame that one of the fundamental principles of justice is violated - the inevitability of punishment. This is where the destruction of state institutions begins - any criminal can start posing as a political sufferer and there will be a "separate and more humane" justice for him.

[ZKB]

I completely agree. Of course, I think that the price of Savchenko’s freedom is much higher than the declared exchange ... I hope, but I consider this exchange with its coverage to be a victory for the Ukrainian fascists. The man guilty of the death of our citizens must rot in prison! this is the first. The second, if there are any specialists in the Khokhlyan dungeons, it is first of all their failure. their profession is such, do not come across. Third, a precedent has been created that stupid scum can kill our citizens with impunity with the permission of the heads of the Norman four. THOSE. not our justice and law enforcement bodies decide the fate of this scum, but someone from behind a hill .... I think the exchange has economic roots, but it’s a shame for the Power.

[0255]

Quote: ZKB

I completely agree. Of course, I think that the price of Savchenko’s freedom is much higher than the declared exchange ... I hope, but I consider this exchange with its coverage to be a victory for the Ukrainian fascists. The man guilty of the death of our citizens must rot in prison! this is the first. The second, if there are any specialists in the Khokhlyan dungeons, it is first of all their failure. their profession is such, do not come across. Third, a precedent has been created that stupid scum can kill our citizens with impunity with the permission of the heads of the Norman four. THOSE. not our justice and law enforcement bodies decide the fate of this scum, but someone from behind a hill .... I think the exchange has economic roots, but it’s a shame for the Power.

What would you sing in place of Erofeev and Aleksandrov, having received a term of 12 years? Would they say “you don’t need to exchange me for Savchenko,” would you prefer to go to the Ukrainian zone?

[0255]

Quote: 0255

What would you sing in place of Erofeev and Aleksandrov, having received a term of 12 years? Would they say “you don’t need to exchange me for Savchenko,” would you prefer to go to the Ukrainian zone?

Minusvalschiki, well, how would you react to such an exchange on the site of Erofeev and Alexandrov?

[Gray brother]

Quote: 0255

Minusvalschiki, well, how would you react to such an exchange on the site of Erofeev and Alexandrov?

Yes, it's stubborn couch military minus. Put them in the gown for a couple of years, for prevention, to find out what the bucket smells like.

[YohanPalych]

Andrei, I absolutely agree with you!
One touch "to the portrait":
In one of the Lugansk schools named after Igor Kornelyuk and Anton Voloshin, the Last Call also rang today ...
How will this "news" be perceived THERE ???

[just exp]

I agree only partly that the Savchenko Kaklam is needed in Russia. a prisoner of conscience and a living witness of the "lawlessness" of Mordor.
and when she comes back, she still needs to find a warm place. she may not go on about the piglet, and pour it on a nationalist mill. and this is just the last thing kaklam needs. since ivropa can then calmly turn its back on Ukraine. supposedly fascists and stuff.
not everything is as simple as it seems. and if she is released, then there are some reasons about which we do not know. we, too, are still not stupid.
damn if I find an article where the points laid out why Savchenko need Kaklam in Russia as a prisoner I will lay out.

[user]

I consider this exchange a disgrace for our country.

This is not just a shame. . . .

Particularly touching video shooting at the reception of the president of the widow and sister of the victims, they allegedly turned to Putin with a request for pardon Savchenko. It’s hard to surprise me, but my wife was sitting next to her, she’s generally neutral to all this news, and then she suddenly says - This is what happened to the women that they say such things to the camera. So after that they want to show and say on TV, but this reaction shocked me so much (and most importantly, no politics, everything is so quiet as to family).

[B.T.V.]

Quote: cniza

make a sacred sacrifice from her and blame Russia.

How will Russia be to blame if it “kills itself” in Ukraine ?! She will definitely follow in the footsteps of Sashko.

[bovig]

Quote: B.T.W.

Quote: cniza

make a sacred sacrifice from her and blame Russia.

How will Russia be to blame if it “kills itself” in Ukraine ?! She will definitely follow in the footsteps of Sashko.

A purely hypothetical assumption: after the autopsy, the troupe "experts" will find some slow-acting poison and announce that Savchenko was poisoned in a Russian prison ... Let's wait and see ...

[0255]

Quote: bovig

A purely hypothetical assumption: after the autopsy, the troupe "experts" will find some slow-acting poison and announce that Savchenko was poisoned in a Russian prison ... Let's wait and see ...

Why should she be killed right away? She will fit in alive, as a symbol of "peremogi".

[volot-voin]

Quote: RUSS

I wonder what kind of problems? And how will she create them?

The abnormal will create problems necessarily, but there are enough of such mad people there without it, and there are more than enough problems.
Nadia will not be used in political games, by some political force, no doubt Russophobic. Someone will create problems, but someone will help to score points.

[RUSS]

Quote: volot-voin

Abnormal will create problems necessarily

Well, for example, specifically?

[volot-voin]

Quote: RUSS

Well, for example, specifically?

Will arrange a "scuffle" among the junta authorities.http: //politobzor.net/show-94136-savchenko-nazvala-timoshenko-kremlevskoy
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Tymoshenko is already the Kremlin center ... ka, etc., etc. Perhaps with its help they will "kill" the pig. Savchenko - Putin's weapon of "mass destruction"))))

[vlad66]

The full text of the statement:

It was better the testament of Gadenka.

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Thrall

Abnormal MEP Nadia will create a lot of problems in Ukraine

I wonder what kind of problems? And how will she create them?

Wait and see Maxim’s alive, Poroshenko doesn’t really need it, the best option for Petruha would be if she died in a Russian prison, but didn’t ride, now they’ll slay Slava Gadenka and slut Ukraine, and then they will forget about her and then the second action of the Merlezon ballet will begin, and we will help our guys out of the ukrogestapo.

[Shuttle]

Quote: RUSS

I wonder what kind of problems? And how will she create them?

Nadezhda Savchenko is a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada from the BYuT party. While she is sitting in the dungeons of Mordor (i.e.) with us - Julia-beauty-long-braid is competing with PAP in over-saving rhetoric. And when it comes out, and not even BYuT’s efforts, but Petralyakseyich’s efforts, who will reap, though short-term, but still political dividends? Of course the most arrogant president. And now how will Madame Savchenko express her gratitude to the PAPs being almost the banner of BYuT?
The trick is that the starving Savchenko in the Russian prison is at least some, but an argument in the Ukrainian domestic and foreign policy process. But alive and in her homeland, I'm sorry for such cynicism, perhaps only her mother needs it. This is if you look at the question very broadly.

Suppose that for a couple of months she will leave for the forest as promised. But then she will need to go to Rada, PACE, and ... But you never know where she will have to go.
And she, as evil tongues say, and somehow did not receive education regularly in her cadet life. After all, she’s not even Klitschko. So here that still kolenor can turn out.

[sir_obs]

Yes, very simple. He will climb into all holes now. Her relatives have already submitted a list of requirements for the heroine. And there are already many such heroes, for all the dough, benefits and power will not be enough.

[razmik72]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Thrall

Abnormal MEP Nadia will create a lot of problems in Ukraine

I wonder what kind of problems? And how will she create them?

Russia will have problems with Savchenko first of all, and it’s clear to the hedgehog that having returned to Ukraine, Savchenko will not have tender feelings for Russia.

[Sasha_Sar]

Sitting in the Mordovian camps, making "vyshevanka" on overalls, she will burn with love for Russia ?!

[0255]

Quote: Sasha_Sar

Sitting in the Mordovian camps, making "vyshevanka" on overalls, she will burn with love for Russia ?!

You should at least be glad for Aleksandrov and Erofeev. Ukraine rejoices at the return of Savchenko, while in Russia they whine that the exchange is "wrong." Nobody cares about Russian citizens?

[mixei]

Ukraine is happy not for Savchenko, but the fact that, as they say, they won the "damned Muscovites", and secondly, as far as I know, Aleksandrov and Erofeev did not kill anyone, unlike Savchenko .. that's something like this

[0255]

Quote: mixei

Ukraine is happy not for Savchenko, but the fact that, as they say, they won the "damned Muscovites", and secondly, as far as I know, Aleksandrov and Erofeev did not kill anyone, unlike Savchenko .. that's something like this

They fought for the LPR, their APU was taken in battle. So they obviously killed the Ukrainian military before their arrest.

Erofeev and Aleksandrov were detained by Ukrainian security officials on May 16 near the city of Happiness in the contact area of ​​Ukrainian security forces and militias of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People's Republic (LPR). As a result of a shootout of battle groups, one Ukrainian soldier died, three were injured. In this battle, Erofeev was wounded in the arm, and Aleksandrov in the leg. After this battle, Erofeev and Alexandrov were detained by SBU officers.
On May XNUMX, the Russians were announced that they were suspected of terrorist activities in the military special operation zone, and three days later a Kiev court arrested them. Later, the Russians underwent planned operations in the Kiev military hospital. Despite the state of health, the detainees were transferred from the hospital to the pre-trial detention center.
The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said that the detainees - Aleksandrov and Erofeev - are citizens of the Russian Federation, but at the time of detention they were not active servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces.
The head of the LPR, Igor Plotnitsky, commenting on the detention, said that they are fighters of the People’s Militia of the republic.

RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/world/20160210/1372163885.html#ixzz49fk1ZEeF

[mixei]

I didn’t exactly express myself with regard to Aleksandrov and Yerofeyev - they didn’t kill peaceful and unarmed unlike Savchenko, and there is no evidence from the Ukrainian court that in the battle when they were taken they killed someone

[Shuttle]

Quote: razmik72

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Thrall

Abnormal MEP Nadia will create a lot of problems in Ukraine

I wonder what kind of problems? And how will she create them?

Russia will have problems with Savchenko first of all, and it’s clear to the hedgehog that having returned to Ukraine, Savchenko will not have tender feelings for Russia.

With Savchenko, first of all, Savchenko herself will have problems.
Alive there for nafig nobody needs.

[ZKB]

lost weight as ...

[theadenter]

Yes, what is a positive exchange? The resonant figure that we were FORCED to let go. That there were no questions - the exchange goes on our two, so that it would not be so shameful.

[Thrall]

In the canteen of ukrorada, the Lenten menu for Nadya will now appear

[Polite Moose]

Quote: theadenter

Yes, what is a positive exchange? The resonant figure that we were FORCED to let go. That there were no questions - the exchange goes on our two, so that it would not be so shameful.

I still have an ode hypothesis of what is happening. And suddenly Nadia is no longer what she used to be. Specialists in shoulder cases and we have. We were forced to cooperate with her and now she will be a Trojan mare in Ukrainian politics.

[theadenter]

I doubt that it is possible for people like her to re-educate or remake. You can break it. But she does not look like a broken one.

[mihasik]

Quote: Thrall

Overall, a positive exchange. We will return both our own and the abnormal MEP Nadia will create many problems in Ukraine. Poroshenko and Co. will regret more than once that they took her.

Tell this to the relatives of the killed journalists. She will definitely not sit in Ukraine, and if she does, then how is Vasiliev here!
Do we have power in general "imposed" on at least some semblance of justice?

[gray smeet]

First Nadenka, then Donbass exchange .... ??? ..... All this roll ...


And how did everything "loudly" start with Nadya ... Who gave the command to take her to Russia? - that's the question!

Why did the DNR transfer it to Russia? They could also transfer it to Ukraine ..... for several of their fighters. And so they created a halo of a martyr in the fight against the MODE !!! And perhaps the very fact of finding Hope in Russia did not immediately allow the Russians to be taken from the Kiev captivity ...

[theadenter]

Donbass is already in free swimming. Everything rests on a people there who will not forget and forgive.

[KAV]

Well alleeeee ... The screamers came running "all the time!" Who are you, strategist? Tactician? Good? Then why here and not there, at the helm?
Damn, people are struck, some who are just waiting for a reason to yell louder towards the Kremlin. Yes, I do not claim that everything is right and fluffy there. But, you don’t have to open up so frankly. There, the neighbors have already guessed.

[theadenter]

Say this to those who have suffered at her hands, directly or indirectly.

[KAV]

Quote: theadenter

Say this to those who have suffered at her hands, directly or indirectly.

Well, the short-sightedness of your judgments is immediately evident. You are guided by emotions. And in a large polytechnic one must be guided by brains.
By the way, and I don’t say that in relation to the victims this is the right decision. And, I am sure that such a decision will not make it easier for them, but even vice versa.
But, for example, even from a simple point of view, which is better: to satisfy the desire of the relatives of the dead correspondents, or to satisfy the desire of the relatives of living people who are kept in hostile territory and it is completely unclear what they are doing with them, and what else will they do? For ease of understanding, imagine that it is "better" to die quickly, or it is not very pleasant to be kept in some country for a long time and not at all without certain prospects for the near future?

[RUSS]

Quote: KAV

Well, the short-sightedness of your judgments is immediately evident. You are guided by emotions. And in a large polytechnic one must be guided by brains.

[theadenter]

Just think, several people have been killed - more important, after all, what will the world think of us?
"Man there, man here" - why grieve about pawns ...
Reading this, I understand that it is better to be short-sighted than heartless.

[gray smeet]

Quote: KAV

Well alleeeee ... The screamers came running "all the time!" Who are you, strategist? Tactician? Good? Then why here and not there, at the helm?
Damn, people are struck, some who are just waiting for a reason to yell louder towards the Kremlin. Yes, I do not claim that everything is right and fluffy there. But, you don’t have to open up so frankly. There, the neighbors have already guessed.

My friend, I am not a tactician and not a strategist - I collect information and think - that's all. And about the drain - What did Putin talk about with Poroshenko, Oland and Merkel last night? To the genuine - No one knows .. but the press in all countries except our country came out with the same comments, and ours (Peskov) - you misunderstood us (it seems like it turns out with Libya). Look for information about these events and draw your conclusions.

[KAV]

My friend, I am not a tactician and not a strategist - I collect information and think - that's all. And about the drain - What did Putin talk about with Poroshenko, Oland and Merkel last night? To the genuine - No one knows .. but the press in all countries except our country came out with the same comments, and ours (Peskov) - you misunderstood us (it seems like it turns out with Libya). Look for information about these events and draw your conclusions.

Dear, you can collect information in different places and different in composition and meaning. Besides, you can think too, in different ways and in different directions. From your message I understand that you are more inclined to trust the press in all countries except ours? Do you seriously think that the press knows something other than what the same "our partners" will say to it, and moreover, dares to say it without instructions?
And what about Libya, may I ask? And what about Syria, may I remind you? You can minus as much as your heart desires. But, you prefer to think "out loud" in an extremely selective way. And I personally did not like this in your statements.

[gray smeet]

I didn’t minus you, if, what ... Convincing each other will not work, therefore, time will judge us ....

[theadenter]

She will sit in the parliament, but she is also the beloved deputy of the people there.

[Sharapov]

Not to sit (she’s already partially served her), but to beat the mugs of the opposition deputies.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: mihasik

Do we have power in general "imposed" on the laws?

And how could we get our guys out? Their houses were tired of waiting, but they would not have been given away for nothing. Homeland does not abandon its own people (and the rest will know that they will not be abandoned), and here is the "letter of the law"?

[mihasik]

Quote: Thunderbolt

And what was the way to get our guys out? Their houses were tired of waiting, but they would not have been given away for nothing. Homeland does not abandon its own people, and here is the "letter of the law"?

And they there that killed someone and it is proven? No? Thus, an exchange is not equivalent: “groups of persons” illegally detained for the murderer. And there, at her hands, not only journalists were killed, but also many civilians. Or how many people were covered by the explosion? Isn't this a slap in the face of the relatives of those killed in the Donbas too? Do you understand the difference? Moreover, the guys themselves refused to exchange.
Don't we leave our own? That Booth is not being "pulled" out of the States? Are they catching little American spies or do we have them to exchange?) So no, we are changing the killer ... Something in our country is clearly wrong with the heads.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: mihasik

Don't we leave our own? That Booth is not being "pulled" out of the States?

Booth is Booth. And what he did completely clearly formulated by the American justice. And there were no intelligible refutations from our side. And there will not be, because his "case" very much resembles a Colombian detective. Do you know that during the Yeltsin years, the Americans received samples of our weapons classified as secret? And this was done semi-legally, that is, it was not widely covered, but not without the knowledge of high officials. I did not hold a candle, but it is logical to assume that the newest weapons and declassified (but in demand on the underground arms market or during black operations) fell into the hands of purchasers for a currency reward, simply sold Therefore, one should be very careful to argue whether this mediator has brought more harm or benefit to the country. The world of "gun barons" is like that ..

Quote: mihasik

And they were there, who was killed and this is proven? No? Thus, an exchange is not equivalent: “groups of persons” illegally detained for the murderer. And there, at her hands, not only journalists were killed, but also many civilians.

You are now arguing as a person who shows compassion for the victims of this "helicopter pilot" and demands just revenge. The process over this malicious one was widely covered by us and became resonant.
However, try to get into the skin, for example, of the head of the GRU or the commander of the Togliatti brigade. Or the collective skin of the whole brigade: thousands of guys who are healthy and loving their homeland. Or imagine how they will appreciate their return to all Russian special forces. Not to mention the little happiness of two simple Russian families where men will return.
P.S. I immediately had a suspicion that their capture and the show trial were the result of a clearly planned SBU operation to find a worthy counterweight to this wench. And when all the sentences were announced, I was still nervous --- why are they pulling with the exchange? Now we can say that everything behind. And you can address your dissatisfaction with the release of the guys to our media who have too much publicized this process. And to the intriguing politicians who thought of dragging this .... to Russia. For me, it was necessary for the field commander or the Donetsk commandant to finish this question on In spite of everything, I am sincerely glad that we were pulled out. As always, big politics is mixed up with its filth, intrigues and inhuman rules. But anyway, I'm very glad

[ZKB]

you are absolutely right! The head of the GRU is now rejoicing, the commander of the Togliatti brigade has already drunk in joy, and in the brigade a weekly weekend has been announced ... complete nonsense. The head of the GRU and the brigade commander received the Lyuli, even when these comrades surrendered. they are GRU !!! these are not conscript jerks, these are professionals. Their exchange is a disgrace to the GRU, a disgrace to our country. In addition, it is not yet known what these comrades there told the Ukrofascists, otherwise we can already be taken away here

[0255]

Quote: ZKB

you are absolutely right! The head of the GRU is now rejoicing, the commander of the Togliatti brigade has already drunk in joy, and in the brigade a weekly weekend has been announced ... complete nonsense. The head of the GRU and the brigade commander received the Lyuli, even when these comrades surrendered. they are GRU !!! these are not conscript jerks, these are professionals. Their exchange is a disgrace to the GRU, a disgrace to our country. In addition, it is not yet known what these comrades there told the Ukrofascists, otherwise we can already be taken away here

Are you sure that Erofeev and Alekseev are employees of the GRU, and not "confessed" under torture in the SBU? People are different, under torture they can "confess" to anything. How would you behave yourself during interrogation at the SBU?

[mihasik]

I personally congratulate you! The exchange took place, and Putin, in addition to Savchenko, also had mercy!
There ukronatsiki stuttered about the Donbass and the Crimea with the Krasnodar Territory and the Rostov region ... Maybe we will give it back? No, but what? They demanded.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: mihasik

I personally congratulate you!

Thank you, as the song says: come home, old man (s)!
As for the ukronatsiks with their claims to the areas of Donbass, Crimea and everything else, right up to our farthest Kuril Islands, it’s Putin and decide which advisers to keep with you. So it will be how they advise. Little depends on us. For Savchenko they are a solid deuce, but they had to be pulled out as well. For the third time I repeat that if we had not taken her to Russia, there would have been no demonstration trial of Yer. and Al.
They would be exchanged at the local level. In all civil wars, this practice exists. And maybe there would be no ambush for them.

[mihasik]

Quote: Thunderbolt

I will repeat for the third time that we would not have taken her to Russia, then there would have been no indicative trial of Er. and Al.

But did they publicize with a show trial ?! So bring the matter to the end (term).
And now it all looks like a "boy with saggy and foul-smelling pants."
I myself did not understand why they dragged her to Russia, they would have banged there. At least they would have avenged the death of loved ones.

[Skubudu]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Quote: mihasik

Do we have power in general "imposed" on the laws?

And how could we get our guys out? Their houses were tired of waiting, but they would not have been given away for nothing. Homeland does not abandon its own people (and the rest will know that they will not be abandoned), and here is the "letter of the law"?

By force ... How exactly? On this there are minds in Moscow would sit and think.

[theadenter]

What kind of power is this?
It’s not enough to free them. They must be taken out of the country. If Ukrainians raise the entire resource in search and overlap, they won’t even leave the city. Do not look that Yanukovych was taken out without problems. Now is a different time and a different attitude towards us.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Skubudu

By force ... How exactly? On this there are minds in Moscow would sit and think.

A prison or something to storm? Oh, yes! Great option ! And Bondarchuk then supermegablockbuster will remove: "Domes over Khreshchatyk". Maybe even "Oscar" will be given. But seriously, none of the critics indicated how else it was possible to save ours.That's really --- what had to be done? Let them rot in dungeons for 20 years, but Savchenko will get his own?! This axiom does not suit me. And the statement that they are specialists, not conscripts and knew what they were doing, I also do not accept .The same fighters, only they know how more. And you write them off early and unreasonably expose them. The authorities made a mistake. It was necessary to finish the viper in the DB area and there would be no smut. And now they will raise it as a banner. unbroken victim of the regime ". This is the trick. And the exchange of prisoners is ALWAYS a compromise. And the general who left the battle is bad, and put an end to 2 soldiers, because" Nadia must sit !!! ".

[ZKB]

to begin with, who is to blame for the fact that these comrades got there ??? these are the costs of the profession. hit, sorry, crap. work so that you don’t fall. I remember Stalin offered to exchange his son for Paulus .... Stalin did not change. And here the homeland does not leave ??? Homeland abandoned journalists who died from that, releasing it to freedom

[0255]

Quote: ZKB

to begin with, who is to blame for the fact that these comrades got there ??? these are the costs of the profession. hit, sorry, crap. work so that you don’t fall.

Probably a great scout would come out of you Where are GRU recruiters looking?

[Sergey Medvedev]

Quote: Thunderbolt

And how could we get our guys out? Their houses were tired of waiting, but they would not have been given away for nothing. Homeland does not abandon its own people (and the rest will know that they will not be abandoned), and here is the "letter of the law"?

In the usual way. The captain and sergeant are exchanged for the captain and sergeant. And not twice for the deputy. (Rada and the European Parliament).
The exchange turned out to be uneven.

[RUSS]

Quote: Thunderbolt

And in what way could our guys be pulled out?

Putin pardoned Savchenko at the request of the widows of Russian journalists.
The head of state held a meeting with the widows of Igor Kornelyuk and Anton Voloshin killed in the Donbass. He thanked them for asking to have mercy on Savchenko.
The meeting with widows was attended by Ukrainian politician Viktor Medvedchuk, who was negotiating the exchange of Nadezhda Savchenko for Russian GRU convicts convicted in Ukraine Yevgeny Erofeev and Alexander Alexandrov.

[St Petrov]

Relatives themselves asked for a pardon, and the president thanked them for this. Is there a video

[mihasik]

Quote: c-Petrov

Relatives themselves asked for a pardon, and the president thanked them for this. Is there a video

And how were the relatives "begging" to "ask" Putin to have a video?

[alexanderrzn]

yeah, for no reason they took it and asked, just a coincidence that they asked after the negotiations of the four. and just by chance they photographed this request, easily and accidentally. so tell me, are you really stupid?

[Vend]

Quote: Thrall

Overall, a positive exchange. We will return both our own and the abnormal MEP Nadia will create many problems in Ukraine. Poroshenko and Co. will regret more than once that they took her.

There is a dilemma that it is better to punish or save your own. Everyone chooses his own.

[gray smeet]

If Nadezhda had not been sent to Russia, but left in the DPR, it might have been easier to get the guys out of captivity (before that we were returning the "lost" Ukrainian soldiers) .. So the question is - who gave the command to import this garbage into Russia - Nadezhda Savchenko ?

[Maksus]

Quote: Maksus

22 years old to whom? This, how to put it, "pilot"? I think that in a couple of months she will be exponentially amnestied before the elections to the Duma. And Vasilyeva is free, hmm.

Well, I was mistaken a little, did not amnesty, but exchanged. Although for her, a return to Hohland is an amnesty, complete and unconditional.

[Sharapov]

And why did Nadiaha scribble the malyavu in Russian? Zrada ....

[vodolaz]

Interestingly, she is condemned and seems to be obliged to sit there, will they put her in prison? But in general, how quickly they forget about it?

[Bissmark]

here is Nagyka and Shmara! turned a bit gray in ZIZO, and now it will sit in Parliament it’s clear that the boys need to be pulled out ... but it’s a pity that this goat will reach Kuevo alive

[JonnyT]

why be surprised, we have so half of the officials and deputies have made a career)))
Yes, and Nadya has already been "washed" in full. Her presence in the Rada is an additional irritant.

[theadenter]

Yes, and Nadya has already been "washed" in full.

It’s not like they broke it. She bought a bloody provocateur with good Russophobian treatment. I hope at least she stops fighting, so as not to burn down a second time.

[JonnyT]

nobody broke it. She first breaks into power breaks. Well, why are you not a successful politician — an ideal biography for ukrov: the hero of the ATO, the unbroken martyr of the NKVD dungeons.

Our stupidly kindle a fire of contradictions and struggles in the power of Ukraine. More mess, less control

[theadenter]

I am sure that she wants to "take revenge" on Donbass before the blood boils. But they won't let her in, I really hope so.

[vkl.47]

she will be banged and everyone will shout that this is the Kremlin’s hand. and that new sanctions must be introduced. mattresses are interested in her death. we need new nightmares for Europe. and she will be posthumously put up a monument. she’s not needed alive. the Kremlin’s victim is needed. .

[fzr1000]

It is quite expected. Until the last journal, we can keep it in the dark if we want.

[tsvetkov1274]

Ice ax as a gift to her

[ALABAY45]

Now she will become a national hero, a "martyr", and we will never hear anything about Erofeev and Aleksandrov ... M, yes ...! And we broke spears on the site, grabbed our breasts ... How simple, it turns out ...! ... "shrouded in unknown darkness," as the shoemaker Lokateev, who was friends with Shchukar at that time, said ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ALABAY45

Now she will become a folk hero, a "martyr"

As I understand it, for the sun there is no difference who goes to the martyrs. For the freaks who killed the Bandera people, heroes.

Quote: ALABAY45

and, about Erofeev and Alexandrov, we will never hear anything ... M, yes ...

I will remind you soon of your koment.

[ALABAY45]

The time is now ... 12:51! May 25, 2016 ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ALABAY45

The time is now ... 12:51! May 25, 2016 ...

Quote: ALABAY45

about Erofeev and Alexandrov, we will never hear anything ... M, yes

Now on all channels.

[ALABAY45]

This is insight! I, about their future fate, and not about the arrival ...! You, do not believe it, I ALSO! have a tv! In each room... You, by chance, are not "clairvoyant" ...?!

[ALABAY45]

By the way, time is running out ... 17:08, still, May 25, 2016 ...

[RUSS]

Quote: ALABAY45

Now she will become a folk hero, a "martyr"

To become a "martyr" you must first die.

[RUSS]

What they have been talking about for so long has happened, and indeed many in Russia are happy about this ....

[avt]

Quote: RUSS

What they have been talking about for so long has happened, and indeed many in Russia are happy about this ....

And it's not even that

Quote: ALABAY45

Now she will become a folk hero, a "martyr"

Why the hell did you have this clerk with a court and wringing your hands in ecstasy that she was a killer in the media? It turns out that they themselves pissed cunningly in their pocket dodging without taking off their trousers! It would be better, as the Jews do, if she had not reached the border with Russia then in Lugansk, from a stray bullet, or while trying to escape, well, since she is such a desperate mare.

Quote: Askiz

maybe she’s going to give the last thing to her, so that after 1 month she’s dead)) although they themselves will fill her up and accuse the GDP. IMHO

“Quietly, I am conducting a conversation with myself.” Well, yes, they asked themselves and gave the answer themselves, which, oh-oh-oh, very many people on the Ruin would have arranged for a “girl with a scythe” whose braid is now unraveled -Yulya. Here's to her that such a "deputy" in the Rada the fuck did not give up.

[asiat_61]

I am very happy about this !!! Now you don’t need to protect her like the apple of an eye, God forbid the fins will be glued together by the heroine. And now this is the problem of Ukraine.

[kotvov]

That’s what they’ve been talking about for so long, and many in Russia are happy about it .. ,,
you mean yourself? the guys could be pulled out in a different way. but now the bread-mill is complete. the kidnapping of Russians will become massive.

[RUSS]

Quote: kotvov

do you mean yourself

I am against the exchange.

[kotvov]

I am against the exchange. ,,
and then who? the so-called liberals? there will be consequences. A MILITARY CRIMINAL was released /

[RUSS]

Quote: kotvov

and then who? The so-called liberals?

Yes, you forget these liberals, carefully read the comments of a third of the forum users on this site are happy to exchange!

[avt]

Quote: kotvov

? there will be consequences. A MILITARY CRIMINAL was released /

Recognized as such publicly by our court. Well, and again the question arises - Who invented and for what dick they dragged her across the border? Instead of quietly crushing on the road, for the sake of all this pornographic show - the trial and subsequent release ???? One thing pleases - Yulia, right at the airport, wiped off her with her own bouquet of white roses, when she decided not to notice her point-blank and muttered that she didn't know well. For all the good things and the first place in the party list of Yulka's party in the Rada. Will give a shit to the old-timers of the politicum. This ruin is released. Pedro will also get his own.

[rosstov]

Well Poroshenko, of course, flew to give up. It doesn’t work out, you’ll have to return to the hardened Kiev with this adder ... Such a fate, Petya, nobody needs you ...

[AdekvatNICK]

Yes, there is no Poroshenko on the plane. Board without it.

[razmik72]

Quote: rosstov

Well Poroshenko, of course, flew to give up. It doesn’t work out, you’ll have to return to the hardened Kiev with this adder ... Such a fate, Petya, nobody needs you ...

Poroshenko made a competent move by sending a presidential plane for Savchenko, Russia could have made the same move by sending its plane to Kiev, but for some reason I did not personally understand, it did not.

[Askiz]

maybe she’s going to give the last thing to her, so that after 1 month she’s dead)) although they themselves will fill her up and accuse the GDP. IMHO

[Greenwood]

And what, someone really thought that she would sit in a jail for 20 years ?!
It is unclear just what it was all about to start this fuss with a high-profile trial and a harsh sentence, if you planned to exchange it. Only Savchenko made an extra advertisement, right now he will become a national hero in Kakland, then he will go on a tour of Europe with numerous interviews, as she was oppressed in Russia. Then he will write a book, a film will be made on it, in general, life was a success.

[Sevastopol]

Yes. A modern ice ax is what she deserves. I'm interested in something else. the petition for clemency itself. there, as far as I know, a prerequisite is repentance of the deed. this is when you consider that she had previously played tricks on judges and behaved worse than a monkey.

[AdekvatNICK]

100 percent a maximum in a month Nadia will join one of the parties in Ukraine.

[razmik72]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

100 percent a maximum in a month Nadia will join one of the parties in Ukraine.

Savchenko was elected to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine as the first number in Yulia Tymoshenko's Batkivshchyna party.

[AdekvatNICK]

I think she will change the party.

[Pyokhar]

I believe that Putin acted absolutely correctly: you can’t leave your own. And Savchenko still has a chance to sit.
And then, what a circus will begin in Ukraine now! Of course, at first the banderlog will applaud, but then it will be even more interesting. A party will be created near Savchenko, to the peak of the current power - and the province went to dance. True, Poroshenko may try to tame the killer. Just get this question from him.
We stock up on popcorn.

[Scoun]

Quote: Pyohar

And then, what a circus will begin in Ukraine now! Of course, at first the banderlog will applaud, but then it will be even more interesting. A party will be created near Savchenko, to the peak of the current power - and the province went to dance. it’s true that if Poroshenko doesn’t, he will try to tame the killer.

she will then call him a traitor.

Quote: Skubudu

Porash raises his rating, like a peacemaker-liberator.

Quote: HAM

Uncle Petya, do you do cancer ??

++ IMHA they still run into it.

[Pyokhar]

Just about, Putin released a snake in her homeland, in the hope that she would begin to bite her own.

[Pyokhar]

Ek, how many minusculers-quieters I have noted! Come on, come on, pile on.
Obviously people are not happy about the return of our guys from the Gestapo dungeons. I am sure that such minusers would leave their own.

[0255]

Quote: Pyohar

Ek, how many minusculers-quieters I have noted! Come on, come on, pile on.
Obviously people are not happy about the return of our guys from the Gestapo dungeons. I am sure that such minusers would leave their own.

I myself am getting hot. Minus-minders themselves would be in the dungeons of the SBU, I would see how they behaved.

[Pyokhar]

Totally agree with you! I had a chance to fight and I know very well what our guys endured in Ukrainian cellars. The life of any Russian soldier is more valuable than any savchenka in our zone. Health to them and long life!

[Skubudu]

Porash raises his rating, as if the peacemaker-liberator ... he personally flies to make an exchange.
It’s not pleasant that, after all his mischief in our court, this slut will be released and will stink to the whole world from CE Europe on TV.
Would they give her with them polonium or something ... so that they, along with Porash, would leave the plane already yellow.

[HAM]

A PRESIDENTIAL plane has arrived for the new PRESIDENT of Urkaini. Uncle Petya, do you crab ??

[razmik72]

Quote: HAM

A PRESIDENTIAL plane has arrived for the new PRESIDENT of Urkaini. Uncle Petya, do you crab ??

God forbid that she becomes the president of Ukraine. Bad Russian - Ukrainian relations will become disastrous.

[avt]

Quote: HAM

The PRESIDENTIAL plane has arrived for the new PRESIDENT of Urkaini. Uncle Petya, are you a cancer ??

Well, in short, a very good move.

Quote: razmik72

God forbid that she becomes the president of Ukraine. Bad Russian - Ukrainian relations will become disastrous.

On the contrary! Everything would turn upside down! No bad Russian-Ukrainian relations in the video of the sudden death of the Ruins. And the fact that this as a prezik will bring them to the edge and push them into the abyss - do not even doubt it! There simply will not be Ukraine then, and accordingly, no good or bad relations. All the great ukras will burn, with the exception of those who fled to Canada and Austria with the USA in the furnace of civil war, this bitchy fury will try to blow a fire like this - heaven will cry from the heat and Pedro will seem like a sweet little angel to drunk. Plus one, she’ll clean her up in Azov and she, together with them, will execute a hedgehog in her breeches, so much so that Julia’s colic will start under her skirt.

[Wolka]

and the scribble is in Russian, and concocted by a dictation ...

[tap tap]

There was so much noise and PR, showing off justice and other things, and so what? But nothing.

[AdekvatNICK]

on-line translation

[Cobra77]

Can someone explain the meaning of this exchange? This is not an exchange of captured spies. Savchenko is a banal war criminal. Which was proved in court. Why give another Svidomo help? Even if ours really were active special forces soldiers. These are the costs and risks of the profession. In addition, it is not known what will happen in Ukraine in a couple of years, they could have liberated them anyway. And then they arranged Svidomo and to the whole media help. Explain what is the point?

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: cobra77

in a couple of years there will be, they could have already set them free.

It's easy to talk about someone else's "couple of years" and "costs of the profession." To hell with them, even if we are not comfortable now. "We'll go overboard": - as my dad said, but the guys are at home, because the happiness of the people consists of the joys of individuals and families, as well as the grief from the troubles of individuals, and the feat of the people from the heroic deeds of each. And we return to Ukrainians their pathological killer, poisoned by their infection, let them choke on another portion of shit.

[0255]

Quote: cobra77

Even if ours really were active special forces soldiers. These are the costs and risks of the profession.

How easy it is to speak for those captured by the SBU, sitting at home on the couch, away from war

Quote: cobra77

In addition, it is not known what will happen in Ukraine in a couple of years, they could have liberated them anyway.

Do you propose to wait for the unknown how many mythical collapse of Ukraine? Something is not falling apart, Poroshenko remained in power as he was. And the promises of her soon collapse resemble the promises of the imminent collapse of the United States from a huge public debt.

Quote: cobra77

And then they arranged Svidomo and to the whole media help. Explain what is the point?

And what is wrong with the return of 2 Russian citizens home?

[exumer]

I hope our security officers did a good job with her And our guys with a return

[razmik72]

Quote: Exumer

I hope our security officers did a good job with her And our guys with a return

I can't say anything about the work of your Chekists, but personally I saw how Savchenko "worked" in a Russian court.

[0255]

Quote: Exumer

And our guys with a return

Something VO commentators are not very happy about the return of the Russians And before exchanging them for Savchenko, they clearly were outraged why Putin would not pull Erofeev and Alexandrov out of Ukraine.

[avt]

Quote: 0255

Something VO commentators are not very happy about the return of the Russians

Let's separate the flies from the cutlets. Firstly, they really are not sofa wars and not simple motorized riflemen, but the service they signed up for obliges not to sew on, Tim hurried. “If you hit it, don't admit it, admitted it, don't sign it, sign it, refuse it.” So their old men said; Secondly, they staged a pornographic show with the delivery of Savchenki to Russia and CONDEMNED HER PUBLICLY, CALLING A MILITARY CRIMINAL - where was the brain when they did it with the "responsible comrades"? Did you go out for a walk? Did they quietly kill her when trying to escape, or did she come under fire, they say, they didn't want to create a legend? Well, Pedro will eventually bankrupt; Thirdly, this is not equivalent the exchange of scouts for scouts, see p. secondly - she was not judged for espionage and sabotage, well, she doesn’t attract the ears, she’s a pure farce. heavyweights of the Ukrainian politicum "-will give a fuck up and Pedra Pig, still regret that she got out of the plane.

[raid14]

Everything went to this, there were many words about the exchange from the HRC and other people and organizations "close" to the authorities, and the "fairest trial" was just for show.

[igorra]

I hope to hear an adequate comment from our authorities.

[RUSS]

Quote: igorra

I hope to hear an adequate comment from our authorities.

The other day there was an "adequate" response from Medvedev in Crimea to pensioners - "there is no money, but you hold on here, goodbye to everyone"!

[Saratoga833]

Quote: RUSS

Medvedev's answer to pensioners in Crimea is "no money, but you hold on here, goodbye to everyone!"

Medvedev generally a clown, which are few!

[dorogvalera]

Quote: igorra

I hope to hear an adequate comment from our authorities.

Yeah, Peskov already said in the morning that he didn’t know anything about the exchange, somehow he slightly disappointed me with this statement, I had a better opinion of him. I hope in the evening to hear something more reasonable, otherwise you can completely lose faith.

[ZKB]

and the news is quiet. at first I thought it was fake. and then read the news on the internet. even online broadcasting,. Really nasty. shameful exchange in quiet

[AdekvatNICK]

better two Russian guys in their homeland than one stupid smiling fallen male-like baboon somewhere in the dungeons of a vast country.

[Greenwood]

The problem is that they have created yet another precedent showing that the severity of Russian laws is compensated by the non-obligation of their implementation (in this case, for the sake of political interests). Khodorkovsky was released ahead of schedule, Pussy Riot ahead of schedule, Vasilyeva is free, Serdyukov is out of business at all, now this beloved was released a few weeks after the "harsh" sentence was passed. Slam our legislation.

[AdekvatNICK]

I have long been accustomed to the fact that the country has manual control.

[mihasik]

Quote: Greenwood

The problem is that they have created yet another precedent showing that the severity of Russian laws is compensated by the non-obligation of their implementation (in this case, for the sake of political interests). Khodorkovsky was released ahead of schedule, Pussy Riot ahead of schedule, Vasilyeva is free, Serdyukov is out of business at all, now this beloved was released a few weeks after the "harsh" sentence was passed. Slam our legislation.

Legislation we have, of course, "zashibis", but you will also quote: "to please political interests."
And where do “interests” come from, that even murderers are released for “exchange”?

[Greenwood]

Quote: mihasik

where are we coming from

Simply put, the government itself spits on its own laws. That's all.

[x.andvlad]

Now Nadia will replenish the orderly ranks of crazy clowns in the Verkhovna Rada.
I wonder if she has time to give an enchanting performance or not? We will observe.

Strange as it may seem, the halo of the Ukrainian “Joan of Arc” can be destroyed by the Ukrainians themselves, who in one way or another encountered Nadezhda Savchenko before her arrest. Despite the stereotype spread by the press, the image of the Savchenko heroine is actively criticized among ordinary Ukrainians. Here are just a few examples.
Former classmate Savchenko at the flight school on the basis of anonymity described his former classmate as an “adrenaline addict,” prone to hysterical behavior and unmotivated outbursts of anger, the verbatim phrase was: “Nadia was a psychopath, even her commanders were afraid, psychopath,” which the former Minister of Defense Anatoly Gritsenko himself. Nadia was expelled for hooliganism and asocial behavior, but each time, thanks to Gritsenko, they were reinstated in the school. The school commander even said for the last time that such abnormal b ... holes shouldn’t even be allowed to paper planes, she’s a “pilot-raider”. Nadia always hated Russians, she even changed her form, because she didn’t want to go in a form reminiscent of “b”, she was a real bandera, ”said classmate Savchenko.
More details: http: //eadaily.com/en/news/2016/03/23/letchica-naletchica-ili-nastoyas
hchaya-banderovka-chto-realno-dumayut-v-kieve-o-nade-savchenko

[cherkas.oe]

In general, we sipped a spoonful of the dermets, at least it was good to change for someone. Our children were still very sorry, thank God they are now at home. But this larva, right now, will excitedly tell how she was tortured in the dungeons of the bloody gebny, as PU promised her the Order of "St. Andrew the First-Called" for betraying the Ridnaya nenka, but: - "I did not give in." And then - howl, stench, curses in the vastness of the wrapper and all the progressive pederastic humanity.

[AdekvatNICK]

yes, and then she will go around Europe like a busiraite with Russophobian lectures

[AlexTires]

In general, we drank a spoon of dermets,

while only a spoon, I think that more than one bucket will be poured to us ....

[mihasik]

Quote: cherkas.oe

In general, we drank a spoon of dermets

Something over the past two years, we have too often started to "sip shit" from our "leadership". Have you noticed? Revenge for supporting Crimea and Donbass?

[istealth]

Now you can blame kaklam and mock Russians everywhere !!! And no one, nothing will be for it! I congratulate everyone on this wonderful event. Right-wingers and dukes and Azovites rejoice, you can spit in our direction without looking back !!! Hooray comrades !!! Justice and the inevitability of punishment for bandits of all stripes do not exist

[AdekvatNICK]

are you surprised? by our court? Yes, we have the most humane court in the world.

[Greenwood]

I would also add - the most "democratic" and "tolerant". And why they don't like us in the West, I don't understand.

[AdekvatNICK]

Putin said recently: “We’re not leaving our own people.” And rightly so.

However, she brought in a mortar that killed journalists from Russia. But they can’t be returned and the two guys alive can be returned and returned.

[Skubudu]

If such a principle - we don’t give up
It was possible to return ours in another way.
And now this m.r.a.p.o.t.a. is the current visual proof that citizens of the Russian Federation can be killed and then punishment can be avoided.

[AdekvatNICK]

Quote: Skubudu

It was possible to return ours in another way.

Which others?

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

she put in a mortar that killed journalists from Russia.

Well, she’s in a kaklostan, she can fall out of the window, choke with a dummy, poison herself with a vodka, but you never know what happens to a heroic bastard. She will not survive to any age and will not die of her death.

[lopvlad]

Now the Ukrainians will deliver Savchenko to the Ukraine with fanfare and then they will safely poison her. They will show on TV how she bends over and tell them that "the fucking regime in Muscovy poisoned a patriot."
In any case, it’s dead for the Poroshenko regime and the Americans more profitable than the living, since the Nazis, sadists and idiots in the Rada are now inundated.

I think the Americans will make Savchenko a factor for the "rallying" of the Europeans during the extension of the anti-Russian sanctions, safely banging it.

[AlexTires]

Putin introduces a new figure on the board of Ukrainian politics. And there no one expects her so much, because they need Savchenko as a victim of the "regime", preferably who died in the "dungeons", in order to heroize her posthumously and so as not to interfere with anyone. And so this "fresh blood" will give them all the heat now! Well, everything is more interesting here, because it is not clear how our Russian authorities are going to explain this? Indeed, from their point of view, Savchenko killed two journalists. And Erofeev and Aleksandrov did nothing in Ukraine. Guilty against the innocent? Why then was there water in your ears from the TV.

[AdekvatNICK]

I don’t know how true it is, in Ukraine they say that the soldiers were taken in battle with wounds.

[lopvlad]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

I don’t know how true it is, in Ukraine they say that the soldiers were taken in battle with wounds.

naive people. Forgotten how Ukrainians planted a grenade launcher to journalists of "Zvezda".
Do you think that if they captured Russian soldiers with weapons in their hands they would not have shot a report there on-site with a show around the world ?.
They simply grabbed them without anything and then forced, under the threat of refusal of assistance to the camera, to say recognition.

[Skubudu]

Just do not rely on Putin's foresight.
In the summer, he and Perdogan were ready to hammer in the gums for the "gas flow", and the buggers were chattering around the clock about which smart Turks value partnership with the Russian Federation, etc.
As a result, the downed SU-24 and the ass in the bushes.
So with this gnd.do.y there will be, another loud yopnuty Bandera shout will appear, which will gobble that she killed the Russians in the war she is a soldier and she doesn’t have anything for it.

[AdekvatNICK]

I think such decisions on Savchenko are thought over very carefully and for a long time, moreover, in such matters of foreign policy V.V. has tremendous experience.

[Cobra77]

Quote: AlexTires

Putin introduces a new figure on the board of Ukrainian politics. And there no one expects her so much, because they need Savchenko as a victim of the "regime", preferably who died in the "dungeons", in order to heroize her posthumously and so as not to interfere with anyone. And so this "fresh blood" will give them all the heat now! Well, everything is more interesting here, because it is not clear how our Russian authorities are going to explain this? Indeed, from their point of view, Savchenko killed two journalists. And Erofeev and Aleksandrov did nothing in Ukraine. Guilty against the innocent? Why then was there water in your ears from the TV.

Another HPP. What is not clear here? But we will not give up the people about our people, God will punish, etc. hnu. It's a shame. It was understandable if they were exchanged for an important and necessary person, politics is politics. It doesn’t happen there. There would be at least a benefit. And so a spit in the country and a precedent. There’s nothing to kill, they’ll exchange for someone ....

[Ivan Tucha]

There is something behind this exchange. Chess, however, is not known to us.

[askort154]

What an exchange, if she does not admit her guilt, and the court has proved her involvement in the deaths of our citizens.
An exchange can be made if the guilty person has sincerely repented. But, if politicians decided otherwise, then
the exchange should take place not in Rostov, but in the Donbass, where the crime was committed, and Kiev considers this to be its territory. That would be an interesting situation for the world's lawyers and the media. Savchenko's exchange, another round of Russophobic screams. All her bile and psycho-fantasies about life in the "KGB dungeons", Western media are waiting impatiently. I do not understand why we need this ?!

[Vladimir]

It seems to me that this is a compelling gesture of goodwill of the two presidents, which will be followed by more significant events and they will most likely be connected with the Donbass.

[AdekvatNICK]

it would be cool to exchange it after having previously recruited)))

[razmik72]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

it would be cool to exchange it after having previously recruited)))

You can’t recruit this, dear, she’s a tough and fanatical person, your FSB can only recruit such an ideological fighter as Savchenko in his wet dreams.

[AdekvatNICK]

judging by your hostility to our FSB, it would be better if you were exchanged for nadia, there would be a full exchange.

[razmik72]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

judging by your hostility to our FSB, it would be better if you were exchanged for nadia, there would be a full exchange.

Why didn’t you exchange with Savchenko yourself, since you love your native FSB so much

[AdekvatNICK]

you don’t understand the wise man that this FSB every day protects the people of Russia along with other services from terrorist attacks.

[razmik72]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

you don’t understand the wise man that this FSB every day protects the people of Russia along with other services from terrorist attacks.

Who is arguing with you, you are our clever man, your FSB prevents hundreds of terrorist attacks a day.

[B.T.V.]

Quote: razmik72

, she is a tough and fanatical person, your FSB can only recruit such an ideological fighter as Savchenko in his wet dreams.

And where is it, you, spotted the "ideological spirit" of this "soldier" ?!

[razmik72]

Quote: B.T.W.

Quote: razmik72

, she is a tough and fanatical person, your FSB can only recruit such an ideological fighter as Savchenko in his wet dreams.

And where is it, you, spotted the "ideological spirit" of this "soldier" ?!

I watched the trial of Savchenko, or rather what I could, in my youth I was also so uncompromising and tough, and this led me to volunteer for the war.

[razmik72]

Quote: razmik72

Quote: AdekvatNICK

it would be cool to exchange it after having previously recruited)))

You can’t recruit this, dear, she’s a tough and fanatical person, your FSB can only recruit such an ideological fighter as Savchenko in his wet dreams.

Why put the cons mercilessly, gentlemen, look at the top branch of the same site, it is written in black and white that Savchenko did not file a request for clemency and her lawyer did not do the same, but released her, according to D. Peskov, according to at the request of the relatives of the deceased journalists. And your commandos, through their lawyers, submitted a petition for clemency to the president of Ukraine. So what should an Armenian sitting at his computer think in this situation - could the FSB recruit Savchenko or not?

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: razmik72

. So what should an Armenian think

The Armenian should think, think and think again. Because it’s too late to learn from you.

[Gray brother]

Quote: cherkas.oe

The Armenian should think, think and think again. Because it’s too late to learn from you.

It is unlikely that this is an Armenian, but rather an aiser.

[lopvlad]

Quote: razmik72

she is a tough and fanatical person

there is no rigidity there but simple schizophrenia. And as you know schizophrenics will only be recruited.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: lopvlad

And as you know

Do not fall to the cantor

[gg.na]

if she commits an act of "suicide" then after a long time they will be surprised and scratch their turnips in ukrostan how cruel was this "suicide" . Although why am I in front of the engine I ran ?? Wait a moment, everything will show! We will see and learn everything and everything!

[russmensch]

It turns out interestingly. The article link is not Interfax, quite respected media that

However, the exchange procedure (or rather, that the mutual transfer of citizens of Ukraine and Russia to serve their sentences in their homeland) has still begun. Interfax reports that the Russians Yerofeyev and Aleksandrov were taken to Rostov-on-Don by plane of the President of Ukraine.

I went to interfax and a miracle - I did not find such information. There is only speculation. And there

However, the defense of the convicted Ukrainian aviator stated that she still does not know anything about the upcoming exchange.
"I don't know anything about this. My colleague Mark Feigin, too. I think you'd better contact the official representatives of the state," Savchenko's lawyer Nikolai Polozov told Interfax on Wednesday.
The Kremlin, in turn, said they did not have information regarding the arrival of the Ukrainian president’s plane in Rostov-on-Don to exchange Nadezhda Savchenko for two Russians.

And how to believe all this?

[russmensch]

And now in Russia-24 for about 30 minutes there is a story about what happened - and Savchenko landed in Boryspil, and ours in Vnukovo. Honestly did not expect this from our leaders. Why then in silence? What was it to hide?

[Rom14]

Quote: theadenter

Yes, what is a positive exchange? The resonant figure that we were FORCED to let go. That there were no questions - the exchange goes on our two, so that it would not be so shameful.

Maybe they are needed to get our people out? One bad thing is that they make martyrs out of the freaks .. but politicians and the media also want to eat .... When trying to escape such people, there is no noise.

[Ossetian]

I don’t know, but unprintable expressions climb into my head ...

[0255]

Quote: Ossetian

I don’t know, but unprintable expressions climb into my head ...

And how else had to pull Erofeev and Alexandrov from the SBU? Throw 2-3 cool pros into the SBU so that they with gunfire and explosions pull them out of the camera? This only happens in movies and computer games.
An exchange for Savchenko may not be the best idea, but you also need to get your own.

[Pete mitchell]

It seems to me that a pan-European howl will soon begin, that Russia has again put a pig on the Ukrainian path to the "bright future". This is exactly the case: heroes are loved only by the dead, alive they did not surrender to anyone. Now, if this rubbish died and it could be 'hung' on Russia, then ... but now it is a big headache for the country 404. And for everyone: the authorities do not need it alive, the people do not need it at all, its radicals used to raise the next round of turmoil.
By and large, the right maneuver: the guys at home, congratulations, and let these 404 themselves disentangle.

[ando_bor]

Good exchange - a good bomb returns to Ukraine.

[AdekvatNICK]

I am sure Porokhenko will hand some sort of order

[gg.na]

if she commits an act of "suicide" then after a long time they will be surprised and scratch their turnips what in ukrostan belay how cruel was this "suicide" wassat. Although why am I in front of the locomotive then ran winked ?? Let's wait, time will tell everything! We will see and find out everything and about everything! bully

[exumer]

I have no doubt the punishment will overtake her.

[Lester7777]

Introduced.
The plane lands at the Kiev airport. Rolls up the ladder. At the ramp, a major of the Russian airborne forces meets the hungry forever. A Russian flag flutters above the airport, some time above the roof.

[Skubudu]

mail.ru - spitting in society with the news with its me.r.zkoy R.O.Zh..e.
https://news.mail.ru/politics/25895413/?frommail=1

[AdekvatNICK]

for me, only one thing has become unclear. According to the media, the final decision was made on yesterday’s phone arrangements with Merkel and Öland. Can this mean that this will lead to the lifting of EU sanctions?

[RUSS]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

. Can this mean that this will lead to the lifting of sanctions by the European Union?

[twincam]

I think this exchange is somehow connected with the recent meeting of Putin, Hollande, Merkel and Parashenko.
None of those present here owns all the info.

[Cobra77]

Quote: cherkas.oe

Quote: cobra77

in a couple of years there will be, they could have already set them free.

It's easy to talk about someone else's "couple of years" and "costs of the profession." To hell with them, even if we are not comfortable now. "We'll go overboard": - as my dad said, but the guys are at home, because the happiness of the people consists of the joys of individuals and families, as well as the grief from the troubles of individuals, and the feat of the people from the heroic deeds of each. And we return to Ukrainians their pathological killer, poisoned by their infection, let them choke on another portion of shit.

When did they dedicate their lives to serving the country, and not even by conscription, by a voluntary contract, what were they supposed to think about? What's cool to play cool macho with guns at the expense of the state? I think no. If you go to serve, serve, with all the consequences. And then in the peaceful type we serve, but how should we fulfill the duty to take pity on the guys? Then it’s not a service to the country, but hell understand that. In the 41st, too, had to regret the boys?

The happiness of the people is formed without conditionally, including from individual joys (although this is the usual philistinism), but in this case it is a spit at the people who generally support Donbass in their struggle, and here there is a war criminal, caught, convicted and we are changing him on our fighters, let's not sickly media excuse to mix us with dirt? Maybe it was necessary to change Goering for someone, or other Nazi ub..kov after Nuremberg? What kind of elfism is that? What is this moronic game in the "Holy of the Pope"?

[dorogvalera]

Quote: ZKB

she did not spoil my karma, but at least she died of hunger. and now I see the toothlessness of our authorities. in this case money wins, not justice

But I am deeply indifferent to your karma, and to her too, but it will be better if "karma" gets it in Ukraine. As for toothlessness, everything is clear here, you would not have enough will, no reason, to do so that it would be useful for the country, and not to satisfy your ego.

[ZKB]

I don’t believe in karma at all. and fate too. And somehow, the fact that a thief or a killer should be in prison is more understandable and practical for me than the fear of karma and God's judgment for what was done. You're right, I wouldn’t do that. I would send Nadia to a regular women's colony on a common basis. and the calls of the ukrofashists and the leaders of the Norman four were answered simply by the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, everything is written there. And as for our GRU officers, they knew what they were going on. Received money for it and not only. Caught silent. And now hang snot, they say poor guys, 12 years, etc. .... Well then, Matrosov didn’t have to put out a machine gun with his chest (it’s painful, and I'm sure it’s not very pleasant), but A. Prokhorenko will fire on himself .. There is a profession where sometimes they donate in the name of the country. Although used in the name of her prestige

[Gray brother]

Quote: ZKB

I don’t believe in karma at all. and fate too. And somehow, the fact that a thief or a killer should be in prison is more understandable and practical for me than the fear of karma and God's judgment for what was done. You're right, I wouldn’t do that. I would send Nadia to a regular women's colony on a common basis. and the calls of the ukrofashists and the leaders of the Norman four were answered simply by the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, everything is written there. And as for our GRU officers, they knew what they were going on. Received money for it and not only. Caught silent. And now hang snot, they say poor guys, 12 years, etc. .... Well then, Matrosov didn’t have to put out a machine gun with his chest (it’s painful, and I'm sure it’s not very pleasant), but A. Prokhorenko will fire on himself .. There is a profession where sometimes they donate in the name of the country. Although used in the name of her prestige

People are a resource. Therefore, I do not want to be the boss - the darling is not enough.
You should not consider the situation from a human point of view, here only rationalism.

[Garris199]

Give her a polonium candy on the lane and let it go. This bastard should not live and stink.

[Cobra77]

Quote: twincam

I think this exchange is somehow connected with the recent meeting of Putin, Hollande, Merkel and Parashenko.
None of those present here owns all the info.

Yes HPP to the grandmother do not go!

[nivander]

now this piece of incense will be fragrant in crest.

[Mentat]

Quote: mihasik

Something in our country is clearly wrong with the heads.

You have such a huge brain that you undertook to evaluate the full potential of the goals in the country? Why scream? Once done, then there were more than good reasons for this. It is not necessary to consider everyone around as idiots, but yourself as an unrecognized genius of analytics and strategy.

[AdekvatNICK]

Savchinki's mother also took a sip of Maidan in the visivanka and meets

although it’s strange that there are a lot of reporters and the photos are all so bad that you can’t see the sap))

And off we go))) NBC is already writing that Savchenko is Jeanne Darc)))

[NKVD]

This is a shame for Putin and his team. With their proposal, now Russians can be killed without punishment and you will get almost nothing for it. They got greedy at the top. There is no shame or conscience. How will people now vote for Putin and United Russia?

[Former battalion commander]

I CAN’T IMAGINE a greater betrayal towards Russia and its people than the “transfer” of a criminal to Ukraine. From this moment on, Putin for me personally became a CRIMINAL in relation to all Slavs...

[Kostya]

Somehow the girl writes in Russian in a painfully “garno” way!?

[akula]

Quote: KAV

Well, the short-sightedness of your judgments is immediately evident. You are guided by emotions. And in a large polytechnic one must be guided by brains.

Slobodan Milosevic also used his brains when he made concessions to the West, everyone knows how it all ended. Learn Russian, you are far-sighted. Do you know history as well as Russian?

[Neputin]

I wonder when they showed on TV how unarmed journalists were being killed, did they put pressure on the brain or on the emotions? They themselves inflated the situation, and now they have deflated in front of everyone. Then it was necessary to quietly bury this Savchenka somewhere on the territory of the DPR and that would be the end of the matter. I don’t know what kind of “agreement” they had there, but it all looks pretty disgusting. As for the nonsense that Peskov talks on TV, look at him - he doesn’t know where to put his eyes. It is clear that everything is a lie or a clumsy fabrication. Where have you heard about these meetings and requests for clemency until today? Nowhere. And the requests themselves look like nonsense. You would ask for pardon on “humane grounds” for the killer of your child or parent. It's disgusting to watch all this. And the trump card we gave them in the info war is crazy. There remains a timid hope that ours know what they are doing. Lately I've been starting to doubt something.

[lopvlad]

Now the howl “Putin leaked” will begin.
Putin bypassed the only problem that hindered the exchange in the form of relatives of the deceased journalists (a petition for pardon for Savchenko by the relatives of the journalists who died at her hands in Donbass).

Keeping Savchenko in Russia gave the Ukrainians the opportunity to wave her snout on a rag as a trump card, while Russian citizens would perish in prison in Banderostan (unlike Savchenko, who got drunk in prison so that on her belly the Ukrainian pitchfork turned into a rake).

As for the political “maybut”, it will be bright, but many times shorter than that of Yulia Tymoshenko after her release from prison during the Maidan. This is because in Ukraine everything has long been divided and whoever did not have time to distribute food to the trough can only tear their throats for free.

[voyaka uh]

For Savchenko there will be a partial lifting of sanctions.

Putin is sometimes shown economic
the country’s indicators, although he doesn’t like to do this “unmanly” thing.
The reserve fund will run out in half a year, oil is unlikely to jump
to 100, and the economic downturn continues. Salaries and pensions for public sector employees
You will have to pay next year too.

[Kachesgm]

After Savchenko, Donbass and Crimea will demand. I hope it won’t come to that....

[Cobra77]

Quote: 0255

Quote: cobra77

Even if ours really were active special forces soldiers. These are the costs and risks of the profession.

How easy it is to speak for those captured by the SBU, sitting at home on the couch, away from war

Quote: cobra77

In addition, it is not known what will happen in Ukraine in a couple of years, they could have liberated them anyway.

Do you propose to wait for the unknown how many mythical collapse of Ukraine? Something is not falling apart, Poroshenko remained in power as he was. And the promises of her soon collapse resemble the promises of the imminent collapse of the United States from a huge public debt.

Quote: cobra77

And then they arranged Svidomo and to the whole media help. Explain what is the point?

And what is wrong with the return of 2 Russian citizens home?

Well, the demagogues have caught up. Yes, it’s easy to talk while sitting on the couch. As well as inventing the torment of the boys, as well as engaging in pity. Everyone has their own job or service. If you signed up to defend your homeland (and service in the special forces leaves no options, that is if they are in the service, but if they are volunteers there is nothing to talk about) - you have risks, a duty and an order. Everything else is snot. And besides captivity and dungeons in this service, you can die easily at any time or be injured. This is the service. They pay for it, and for it there is special honor and respect. If you're afraid, not ready, don't like it, don't go serve. Go and serve. All.


Did I mention the collapse of Khokhland? You definitely read it carefully. I said who knows what will happen in a couple of years. It will be possible to exchange for someone else, ukrovoyaks periodically come across, but at the same time they have not committed war crimes. The political situation in the EU or Hochland may change. There is a very high variability of what could happen. But no. The Americans and the EU put pressure and now a war criminal flies to celebrate victory, and we get a slap in the face. Peremoga?


There is nothing wrong with two people returning. But the release and pardon of a war criminal is not just bad, it is a slap on the country. And if on one side of the scale there is respect for the country, and on the other there are people who fulfilled their duty and knew what they were doing, then for the majority (I hope) the choice is obvious. This is the essence of patriotism. And not in the guards ribbon on the lapel on May 9th.

[ZKB]

totally agree with you.

[ZKB]

totally agree with you.

[ZKB]

It's disgusting to watch the news. And this one is already broadcasting to the whole world. The little pig says: I returned Nadya, I will return Donbass and Crimea...

[Cobra77]

Quote: voyaka uh

For Savchenko there will be a partial lifting of sanctions.

Putin is sometimes shown economic
the country’s indicators, although he doesn’t like to do this “unmanly” thing.
The reserve fund will run out in half a year, oil is unlikely to jump
to 100, and the economic downturn continues. Salaries and pensions for public sector employees
You will have to pay next year too.

Will not be. Neither partial nor any. Savchenko and the PR around her are not so important to the Amers that they would remove such a convenient tool. Yes, and as they canceled it, they will introduce it if anything happens. It’s not difficult to find reasons. There would be a goal and an opportunity. But the deflection itself is bad, it’s bent here, it’s bent in another place. And domestic GDP support has a breaking point. Although it is still high, its fall is already visible. And without a flag in the form of GDP, EdRo can very quickly lose ground and split.

Well, you need to understand that the lifting of sanctions, even completely or partially, will not give anything significant to the Russian economy. Yes, it will be better for some fat cats, but overall the situation will not radically change. The problem of the Russian economy is not sanctions; they are in third place here. The only thing that can affect the lifting of sanctions is diplomacy and trade with China. And to try to switch the amers to them, in terms of damaging freedoms and democracy. But I wouldn't bet much on it. Americans are excellent at playing on several boards and building a long-term strategy for another dozen years.

[ihnovich990]

Self-interest once again defeated reason. Vova was bent...

[zippelin]

Guys, what are you saying? What kind of country are we if in order to get our guys back we can only exchange them for a war criminal? Firstly, OUR guys could have been pulled out earlier, if they had closed the gas to the Ukrainians, they would have quickly reached an agreement
Secondly, Savchenko killed residents of the Russian Federation, we release her and have mercy on her. We show the whole WORLD that we can be killed.

I’m not happy that our guys were exchanged for Savchenko, they could have been remembered about them earlier. And there are still quite a few of our guys left in the dungeons of the SBU

We gave these ladies the Joan of Arc of their time

They endured the blown up power line supports in Russia, washed themselves with the blood of a fighter shot down by the Turks, and handed over a war criminal after OUR court recognized that she killed our citizens. Where to fall lower...

[mamont5]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Thrall

Abnormal MEP Nadia will create a lot of problems in Ukraine

I wonder what kind of problems? And how will she create them?

How can a psychopath who has been given a hold on power create problems? There will be little good from THIS. For Ruins, of course.

[Roust]

without all this subsequent garbage fuss, it was necessary to leave this with... feed the worms where it killed