Russian sniper complex Orsis was introduced in China

The Russian company Promtekhnologia presented in China at the exhibition of police equipment CIEPE 2016 a sniper complex that includes the high-precision Orsis T-5000 rifle and the Dedal DH 5-20X56 rifle, reported by Dedal NV, 33 region.

“This sniper complex aroused great interest among visitors to the exhibition, because it was with such rifles and optics that the Chinese team took all five gold medals at the XIV World Cup sniping among police and military snipers, which was held in Budapest last summer,” the newspaper writes. .

About 300 companies from 14 countries and 30 thousand specialists from around the world took part in the exhibition.

According to the organizers, “the CIEPE exhibition is organized under the auspices of the Ministry of Public Security of the PRC as a forum for sharing experience and establishing business cooperation with leading global manufacturers of equipment and equipment for the police and public security forces.”

It is noted that "its conduct is a vivid evidence of the unification of the efforts of the world community in the fight against international terrorism, drug trafficking, smuggling and taking hostages."

Comments

[AdekvatNICK]

The performance characteristics of the ORSIS T-5000 rifle allow you to hit targets at any time of the day or night, in any weather conditions, without prior sighting and technical training at distances up to 1650 meters. ORSIS rifles demonstrated accuracy of fire at a level not exceeding 0,5 arcminutes (11 cm by 800 m).
The T-5000 is superior in range and accuracy to the Austrian SSG 08 rifle (purchased for GRU snipers) and the Russian SV-98. The upgraded version of the T-5000M in the future will allow firing at ranges up to 2000 m

[Andrey K]

The rifle is chic
The classic bolt. I tried to buy it myself, but the guys work on order, everything is planned in advance
Available in various calibres. The article is not disclosed, but the Chinese have long been performing with the ORSIS T-5000 at competitions.
But there is also a small fly in the ointment - unprocessed bar stocks of high-quality stainless steel (type 416R) are obtained from the USA. Our quality is not suitable, but we ourselves do not produce such

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrey K

But there is a small fly in the ointment - rifle trunks are purchased in the United States. Our quality is not suitable, but we ourselves do not produce such

"... Rifles with such a level of processing are usually made individually, to order, they are very expensive. It is very difficult to achieve such an error in the barrel of a serial weapon. In" Promtechnology "for the manufacture of the barrel they use the method of" single-pass cutting ", which ensures such accuracy ... Moreover, the equipment was created in our country, because such machines are not currently supplied to Russia. "...
http://militaryarms.ru/oruzhie/vintovki/t-5000/

[Andrey K]

Quote: kapitan92

"... Rifles with such a level of processing are usually made individually, to order, they are very expensive. It is very difficult to achieve such an error in the barrel of a serial weapon. In" Promtechnology "for the manufacture of the barrel they use the method of" single-pass cutting ", which ensures such accuracy ... Moreover, the equipment was created in our country, because such machines are not currently supplied to Russia. "...

Glad for you to submit a link. But as a practice shooter, I know this very well. I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Yeryom
Dear kapitan92, I raised the issue of supplying material under the barrel from the USA. And not the methods of manufacturing rifling in the barrel of the T-5000 and used with this equipment
Regarding "are very expensive" - ​​this is a question of price-quality ratio. When I was interested, the model under 30-06, which I needed, cost about 200t.r. Now three hundred are asking. This is a normal price for a normal rifle.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrey K

I tell you about Thomas, you tell me about Yeryom

Dear Andrey K.! I tell you about Erem, and you tell me about Thomas.
Below your post, my post on the purchase of steel, you probably were in a hurry and did not pay attention. A link to the production of trunks made it possible to show that in Russia they own the technology and machines for processing the trunks for such a sniper complex.
With respect.

[Andrey K]

Quote: kapitan92

I tell you about Erem, and you tell me about Thomas.
Below your post, my post on the purchase of steel, you probably were in a hurry and did not pay attention. A link to the production of trunks made it possible to show that in Russia they own the technology and machines for processing the trunks for such a sniper complex.
With respect.

Dear kapitan92, I beg your pardon
They wrote at the same time, so I couldn’t see your correction

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrey K

Dear kapitan92, I beg your pardon
They wrote at the same time, so I couldn’t see your correction

I like talking with you. Good luck

[DMM2006]

I apologize for interfering in your conversation. Just reading about the subject of the dispute, I consider it possible to confirm your position. And to prove my claim, I want to bring a clip from the ORSIS company itself regarding the manufacture of barrels for the mentioned rifles.

So all they can and do. I hope that the issue of the production of long steel in Russia will be resolved. As the saying goes, the will would be political in the present case.

[Stas157]

Andrei, is it true that the trunks of this steel are designed for a small number of shots?

[Andrey K]

Orsis manufactures barrels made of high quality stainless (type 416R) and chrome molybdenum (type 4140) steel (or so they claim). It is difficult to create a stainless steel with the properties of barrel steel, the main of which is high viscosity, so that in case of something when breaking, the steel stretches like a toffee, and does not scatter like glass. Therefore, the options proposed by the Americans, and subsequently by Orsis, are a kind of compromise
According to our disputes with colleagues, even when he was in the sovereign service, we came to the conclusion:
our steel is slightly less alloyed with manganese and silicon than its American counterpart, but it is slightly alloyed with nickel. Therefore, although ours is not as durable as the American one, it is more corrosion resistant
But this is our absolutely non-expert opinion
As for the shooting, I can’t say how it is now
Several years ago, when the brand was just being "untwisted", the firm promised 2500 shots before a discrepancy in the accuracy of fire appeared. But this, I draw your attention, is not a figure stating the death of the barrel

[Wiruz]

One question? If this rifle is all so cool, then why is it bought by the RF Ministry of Defense?

Simply, there was information that the T-5000, although it demonstrates phenomenal abilities against the background of the same SVD and SV-98, is noticeably inferior to its Western counterparts. And its cost is too high. Here with her purchase and pull.

In general, it is necessary to take Lobaev rifles, not as a replacement for the SVD, but as a "surgical" instrument

[Stas157]

Quote: Wiruz

In general, it is necessary to take Lobaev rifles, not as a replacement for the SVD, but as a "surgical" instrument

The T-5000 is not a Lobayev rifle! Lobaev rifles with a caliber larger and only with an imported cartridge!

[Wiruz]

The T-5000 is not a Lobayev rifle! Lobaev rifles with a caliber larger and only with an imported cartridge!

Thanks, Captain Evidence!
Were you not embarrassed by what I wrote about Lobaev's creations in a separate paragraph after I "pissed" the T-5000 a little?

[Stas157]

Quote: Wiruz

Thanks, Captain Evidence! hi
Were you not embarrassed by what I wrote about Lobaev's creations in a separate paragraph after I "pissed" the T-5000 a little?

I apologize, but I did not understand that you had a transition. The minus is not mine.

[i.ivanov]

Quote: Wiruz

In general, it is necessary to take Lobaev rifles, not as a replacement for the SVD, but as a "surgical" instrument

Yeah, but what price do you know?))

[GSH-18]

Quote: Wiruz

One question? If this rifle is all so cool, then why is it bought by the RF Ministry of Defense?

May I answer this question?
In short, the Russian Defense Ministry is going to buy such rifles in a large batch. And the capacity of ORSIS, in the opinion of the RF Ministry of Defense, is not enough. That such a reason was announced

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrey K

raw bar stocks made of high quality stainless (type 416R) steel,

ORSIS independently produces barrels for its rifles, purchasing only barrel steel, everything else is done on site.
Unfortunately this is a fact.

[Andrey K]

Quote: kapitan92

ORSIS independently produces barrels for its rifles, purchasing only barrel steel, everything else is done on site.
Unfortunately this is a fact.

I told you about this
The rifle itself is top notch
I think that the company will succeed
Ragozin Dmitry Olegovich "hurried in advance" and the director of development, deputy general director of the group of arms companies "Promtechnologii" slipped ... Alexei Dmitrievich ... Ragozin
I think that the issue with the supply of blanks will be resolved

[kapitan92]

Quote: Andrey K

I told you about this

I confirm!

Quote: Andrey K

I think that everything will work out for the company, there Dmitry Olegovich Ragozin "got in a hurry" and put in the co-founders ... Alexey Dmitrievich ... Ragozin

They know where to "stick" their children. The sniper complex is excellent with a large export potential, made under the cartridge common in the west. As for the barrel steel, I think Rogozin Jr. here it will not be enough, too many problems have accumulated in metalworking, materials science, technology. It would be nice to get this lump off the ground. Boom hope!

[Pharao7766]

Hello, Andrey.

Interesting opinion practice.
Say something about Lobaev’s products do you know (have you tried)?

http://lobaevarms.ru/

[Andrey K]

He was interested in the Lobaev rifle about 5-6 years ago, before the company moved to the Emirates. They opened a factory for the production of sniper weapons. Rifles Lobaev adopted by the army of the United Arab Emirates. Then, it seems like we have opened again, the company KBIS (if interested, you can see). Of the advantages of the company itself - they do everything themselves, from the blanks of the trunks to the last screw. Of the minuses, in my opinion, they decided to embrace the immense - they began to release the entire range of sniper weapons. From SVLK to a smaller caliber.
If we compare it with Orsis, then these are just analogues, competitors, if you like. For the price, Lobaevskie products are 1,5 - 2 times more expensive, but I explain this precisely by the fact that they pulled the entire production cycle upon themselves.
The colleagues who bought Lobaev are satisfied. My attitude - it makes no sense to overpay 100 - 200 thousand, if there is the same quality.
Here, as they say - the taste, color and wallet calculation.

[Pharao7766]

Andrei K.
Thank you very much for the detailed answer.
I did not know that such a difference in price ...

[Andrey K]

To health
In general, it is very, very good.
Such our "monsters" from small-arms production as Kovrovites, Izhevsk residents, Tula residents, a shake-up in the form of the appearance of alternative products will not hurt
SVD and other automatic analogs are good in combat units, in the squad - platoon unit
But for special forces, "classic" snipers, you need "bolt workers" - so to speak, "straddles" from sniper weapons
"Promtechnology" with their "Orsis", Lobaev with KBIS and other not indifferent manufacturers with their products give reason to hope that our sniper school is not only history, but also has prospects for the future

[i.ivanov]

Forgot to add that it was a few years ago

[GSH-18]

Quote: kapitan92

ORSIS independently produces barrels for its rifles, purchasing only barrel steel, everything else is done on site.
Unfortunately, this is a fact..

I do not understand why Unfortunately?
It’s by the fact that they do everything themselves that they turned out such a cool rifle
Well, nothing. Can soon and our stainless steel barrel learn to do ...

[Pavel Ordynsky]

Quote: Andrey K

But there is also a small fly in the ointment - untreated bar stocks of high-quality stainless (type 416R)

there is one more small, not a small fly in the ointment tar, on the dedal there is a PZK or EOK microcircuit, as well as digital-to-analog converters and vice versa these are bourgeois purchases, so this is such an orsis.

[Basarev]

Quote: Pavel Ordynsky

although it demonstrates phenomenal abilities against the background of the same SVD and SV-98, it is noticeably inferior to its Western counterparts

And what are the superpowers of Western counterparts?

[i.ivanov]

What does this have to do with it when such products are manufactured in Russia? When Russians work and receive a salary, what does it have to do with "imported machines"?) What kind of clothes do you wear?) And where is your phone made?)

[i.ivanov]

When was it about "to order"? Now they seem to have everything in stock and in different calibers

[Dam]

Well, suppose there are still spoons of tar. For example, in order to simplify the process, the shutter handle is mounted on two screw-in 2mm cam nuts. It fell off on 300-350 shots. Then, removing the inflated sleeve, broke off the ball of the shutter handle, (was planted on a crude thread). To the honor of the plant, they sent a new handle for a week for free. True, it was not without a gunsmith, it could not have done, since he did not get into the groove of the fuse pin. But this is where my adventures have ended. Shot around 2000, normal flight.

[Hell's Angel]

0,5 MOA per 800 meters? Cool!

[black]

Manufacturers themselves say that the aiming range of a rifle, with a caliber 7,62 - 1000 meters, and with 8,6 - 1500 meters.

[Dam]

Does not shoot 308 per thousand, even crack

[GSH-18]

Yes, the Chinese with this rifle (purchased last year) already managed to win Budapest last summer!
T-5000 is definitely a buzz fly swatter

[silverwolf88]

Now you have to wait for the next Chinese brand to appear ... well, very similar to this complex ... guys are smart and eager for technical innovations ...

[siberalt]

Well yes. To do this, the Chinese will buy a couple of samples from us and the thing is in the hat

[Amurets]

Quote: siberalt

Well yes. To do this, the Chinese will buy a couple of samples from us and the thing is in the hat

And they will mass produce Berdanki.

[i.ivanov]

Bull's-eye!

[Berkut24]

The Chinese have already tried to copy both the S-300 and the Su-27 ... I think they have long understood that "the devil is always in the details." Moreover, life shows that while they are catching up with copies, the authors of the originals are already creating a product of the next generation. And there is no point in bothering with copies of small series.

[GSH-18]

Quote: silberwolf88

Now we have to wait for the next Chinese brand to appear ... Well, very similar to this complex ... guys are smart and eager for technical innovations ...

Yeah, from re-melted plastic bottles, it’s spontaneous

[Dam]

A good machine, not without childhood diseases, but it shoots very accurately. I have been using it for more than a year, while I am satisfied.

[Oml]

As the Chinese, everything is famously obtained. Enterprising.

[bocsman]

Quote: OML

As the Chinese, everything is famously obtained. Enterprising.

And why, not our team took first place!?
And what is TsKIIB MTR doing now? After all, this institute was the world leader in sports weapons!

[Mountain shooter]

It is good that in Russia there is a school of design and MANUFACTURE of high-precision rifles. This is a scrupulous and unhurried affair, and it will not bring millions (unlike mass production). But then people started doing what they love, and they do it, despite ...

[kapitan92]

Technical characteristics of the rifle T-5000

Below are the main tactical and technical characteristics of the sniper complex.

Caliber, mm

7,62x51 (.308 Winchester)

8,6x70 (.338 Lapua Magnum)

Unfolded length, mm

1230 / 1060

1270

Folded Length, mm

980 / 810

1020

Barrel length, mm

673,1 / 508,0

698,5

Weight empty, kg

6,6 / 6,3

7,5

Shop, count. cartridges

5, 10

5, 10

Firing range, m

800

1500
The T-5000 rifle is made in two versions: under the cartridge 308 Winchester (7.62x51 mm) and 338 Lapua Magnum (8.6x70 mm).
In 2012, tests of this rifle began, both the FSB and the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs showed interest in it. In addition, the corresponding services of foreign countries became almost immediately interested in this sniper complex. It may well be that soon the T-5000 sniper rifles will become another Russian weapon brand.

However, the developers initially had some difficulties with the Russian Ministry of Defense. According to the latest information, in only 2015, the Russian Ministry of Defense decided to purchase from 700 to 1400 T-5000 rifles.
Today, this rifle can be purchased in a civilian version, it costs almost 400 thousand rubles.
http://militaryarms.ru/oruzhie/vintovki/t-5000/

[NEXUS]

There were rumors that Stephen Seagal, who spoke of this rifle as the best in the world, took part in the work on modernizing ORSIS.

[loginovich]

Quote: AdekvatNICK

The performance characteristics of the ORSIS T-5000 rifle allow you to hit targets at any time of the day or night, in any weather conditions, without prior sighting and technical training at distances up to 1650 meters. ORSIS rifles demonstrated accuracy of fire at a level not exceeding 0,5 arcminutes (11 cm by 800 m).
The T-5000 is superior in range and accuracy to the Austrian SSG 08 rifle (purchased for GRU snipers) and the Russian SV-98. The upgraded version of the T-5000M in the future will allow firing at ranges up to 2000 m

What cartridge? Domestic?

[Dan4eG]

The emnip is neither produced .308 nor .338 in Russia, but they did not talk about sharpening under 7.62 * 54!

[Red_Hamer]

Produced from last year, there is infa on the internet.

[Dan4eG]

Pordonite
Was wrong got excited!

[vnord]

Quote: bocsman

And what is TsKIIB MTR doing now?

In 2015, they called the TsKIIB, they didn’t accept anyone to work, and they said reconstruction was underway.

[ovod84]

The good news. I thought only the Yankees had good sniper rifles, it turns out we are not inferior to the adversaries.

[Red_Hamer]

What copy, along with the sight, and moreover, one to one, I have no doubt! Up to a scratch on the butt, if suddenly it turns out to be

[AID.S]

Quote: Red_Hamer

What copy, along with the sight, and moreover, one to one, I have no doubt! Up to a scratch on the butt, if suddenly it turns out to be

And with two SIM cards.

[sodick]

Jo "Pa in our country with science is complete, I know not by hearsay. In the research institute, either pensioners of 70-80 years old, or managers work. There are few young specialists, the gap between generations is huge, there is no one to pass on experience. New works are well forgotten old ones. since the times of the USSR. + sawing the dough under the FTP. Do not forget about several waves of personnel optimization. For this business, the number of specialists was reduced to a minimum

[Red_Hamer]

Thanks to pensioners, these research institutes also hold on, but managers, a thing terrible for science, and not from research institutes, but those managers who make decisions at a higher level.

[Elk]

When they reach the limit, they will have to take on the improvement of cartridges

[mervino2007]

Information from IdenRex:
Lobaev's sniper rifle - SVL, was produced in the city of Tarusa by the private company Tsar-cannon LLC (owned by V.N. Lobaev) using equipment imported from the USA.
In September 2010, the company moved to the UAE [1]
ORSIS T-5000 (from weapons systems) - high-precision sniper rifle with manual reload. It is produced by the ORSIS arms factory of the Promtekhnologii industrial group, located in Moscow.

[fan_]

They have already returned back from the UAE. There remained established production.

[Zaurbek]

Lobarev and Orsis rifles for the elite, if you calculate how many consumers can handle these weapons and how many they need this weapon, there will be a number of 1000-2000 pcs, the rest of the security forces simply do not need such a weapon. For the army, it is really necessary to replace the SVD, namely the semi-automatic rifle and serial with manual reloading under 7,62x54. And the production of cartridges, gunpowder.