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Umbrella over Syria

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Russian EW funds confirmed high efficiency and can be considered as asymmetrical weapon for new generation wars


The withdrawal of our main forces from Syria did not save the United States and its NATO allies from a headache. In the Western community, the work of the Russian means of electronic warfare is actively discussed. The reason for such close attention, apparently, is that our equipment is capable of closing large areas in which modern high-tech weapons and military equipment becomes ineffective.

This is very disliked by those who previously widely and successfully applied their EW facilities in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, Libya, and the Balkans. But the advantage in this area that consoled our "friends" is in the past.

The first to say this was the Americans themselves. In particular, Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges (commander of US forces in Europe), Ronald Pontius (deputy head of cyber command), Colonel Jeffrey Church (head of EW department of the ground forces), Philip Breedlove (at that time commander in chief of the united forces of Europe in Europe). With reference to the latter, the Daily OSNet publication reported that American troops and their NATO allies were blinded and deafed on the ground, in the air and in space - in a “bubble” with a diameter of about 600 kilometers in the area of ​​the Russian military group. Previously, according to Bridlava, Moscow “inflated” such “bubbles” over the Black and Baltic seas. He also spoke about the astounding possibilities of Russian EW facilities that are capable of creating large areas of А2 / AD (anti-access / area denial). They should be understood as a zone of guaranteed prohibition for the adversary’s access and any opposition to the use of its own weapons. Everything, as in the famous song of Edita Piekha: “I see nothing, hear nothing, know nothing, and say nothing to anyone.”

And what actually happened? We at one time did not hysteria about the use of Western EW in Yugoslavia or Iraq. Apparently, for such a nervous reaction of our sworn friends there are good reasons. Only a real effect could be a cause of the breakdown of those who do not even think about the possible superiority of Russia in some military matters.

Situation control levers


With the escalation of the ongoing electronic warfare, it would be foolish not to use our capabilities to protect the Russian group and cause maximum damage to terrorist groups. After the destruction of our aircraft by a Turkish fighter, Lieutenant-General Yevgeny Buzhinsky, Deputy Director General for Foreign Economic Activities of Radio Concern Vega, OJSC, said: "Russia will be forced to use means of suppression and electronic warfare."

What exactly do we have in Syria? The first one can presumably be called the ground mobile complex “Krasukha-4”, which serves for setting up broadband active interference to suppress radio-emitting reconnaissance and data transmission equipment of space, air and ground-based systems at 150 – 300 kilometers. The complex is effective for countering radio-electronic means (RES) reconnaissance of Lacrosse and Onyx satellites, AWACS and Sentinel aircraft, as well as drones.

With a high degree of probability, we can talk about the use of the aircraft multifunctional complex electronic warfare "Khibiny", which became widely known after it completely crushed intelligence and command and control systems, as well as the Aegis missile defense system of the American destroyer "Donald Cook" in the Black Sea. "Khibiny" can be a group means of protecting aircraft from all existing anti-aircraft and aviation means of destruction. In this capacity, the complex proved itself to be the best in 2008 during the operation to force Georgia to peace.

In September, two electronic reconnaissance aircraft and an electronic warfare type Il-20 arrived at the Khmeimim airbase. With a complex of various sensors, antennas and other optical-electronic means, these machines are capable of solving assigned tasks during 12 flight hours in any weather and climatic conditions, day and night. The transfer of the Borisoglebsk-2 complexes to Syria, which today are among the most complex in the world in its class, has also been reported.

To create an electronic umbrella on the border with Turkey, other advanced EW tools could be used. For the suppression of radar, disruption of the guidance, control and communication systems - complexes such as "Lever", "Moscow", "Mercury", "Pobershchik". The latter is based on IL-22, which is equipped with side antennas and a cable unwinding in flight a few hundred meters with a transmitter. Along with these EW tools, fired disposable aiming jammers could also be used to protect our airplanes and helicopters.

It is impossible to exclude applications for combating radio-controlled land mines, improvised explosive devices and high-precision weapons, as well as for disrupting cellular communications and in the VHF range of the Electronic Electronic Equipment "Infauna" and small-sized Lesochek type interference generators. The media reported on the likely demonstration of the capabilities of active stations "Lever-AV" and "Vitebsk". The first can be installed on any military equipment and suppress the enemy’s command and control and air defense systems.

According to the Chief of the Electronic Warfare Troops of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Major-General Yuri Lastochkin, the developed tools allow for the possibility of radio intelligence and radio suppression of communication systems for collective use, covert, selective blocking of the cellular terminals of the enemy. Experts believe that EW systems approximately double the capabilities of ground troops and increase the survivability of aviation by 25 – 30 times.

You will not drown this song ...

Taking into account the potential and purpose of our EW facilities, one of the main tasks in Syria was to cover the Russian military group and the Khmeimim airbase from possible air and ground strikes, as well as to protect personnel and equipment from being hit by radio-controlled land mines and improvised explosive devices.

Umbrella over SyriaThe effectiveness of the solution in this case is closely related to measures to protect its radio electronic components from technical intelligence and electronic suppression. The need for this is due to the known facts of the transfer of intelligence information to the armed opposition and terrorist groups by the special services of Turkey, the United States, Saudi Arabia and other countries.

Other equally important tasks of the EW facilities are the constant monitoring of the radio-electronic situation in the areas of their grouping and Khmeimim airbase and the strict observance of the electromagnetic compatibility rules to ensure the normal functioning of its own radio-electronic means.

To ensure high-precision fire destruction of command posts and other important objects, the problem of determining their location was solved by establishing the coordinates of the radio-emitting means located on them. It is also known about the suppression of ground-based and space-based radio communications, drones control channels and data transmission from them.

Finally, an information confrontation on the air using EW tools became an important condition for reconciliation of the warring parties.

Thus, Syria turned out to be a testing ground, where in real combat conditions, including in the confrontation with the RECs of developed countries of the West, important experience was gained. It allowed us to identify the strengths and weaknesses of our technology, to become the basis for further enhancing the capabilities and methods of its use. Much, for obvious reasons, remains outside the framework of publicly available information. But what is already known allows us to draw some conclusions.

The first, and probably the main one: EW facilities is one of the main asymmetric means of waging new generation wars. In the West, they are persistently referred to as hybrid and are trying to shift their authorship to Russia. Today, they accuse us of allegedly the first to wage such a war, which resulted in the annexation of the Crimea. But much earlier, there was a “contactless” aggression of the western coalition led by the United States, as a result of which the united Yugoslavia ceased to exist. And it was precisely the hybrid wars, planned and unleashed by the same forces, that turned out to be the cause of the present dismal fate of Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, the situation in Syria and the disastrous situation of refugees in Europe. It is obvious.

The main capabilities of the EW tools should be as hidden from potential enemies as possible, and the tactics of their use should be based on surprise. This will not allow to take proactive measures, and together with the principles of massiveness, focusing on the main direction (priority objects) will ensure the achievement of goals.

It is also extremely important that domestic components should be the basis for creating our EW tools. Otherwise, as experience shows, this can become our sore point, which opponents will not fail to hit with sanctions. A vivid example of this is the state and combat readiness of the main samples of Syrian equipment, which today is 50 percent and below.

With further improvement of domestic EW assets, it is imperative that their selectivity and targeting of the impact on the enemy's electronic distribution system should be increased. This will minimize the negative impact on the operation of its electronic systems.

Currently, one of the main areas should be considered the active development and creation of EW tools with millimeter and terahertz frequency bands. Today, they are being actively mastered by new generation RES and high-precision weapon manufacturers. What will it give? So, if in the lower bands there can be 10 working channels, then there are already hundreds of them at the 40 GHz frequency. Consequently, for their "closure" will require more sophisticated automated EW tools.

Another important conclusion: The West is concerned about our success in this area and is stimulated to improve its EW tools, their methods of application. Finances for this, one can be sure, our “friends” will find, especially in the conditions of incessant anti-Russian hysteria. Therefore, the obtained very valuable combat experience should be maximally used by the military and manufacturers of EW equipment for its further development and preservation of leading positions.

Russia made the right conclusions on the basis of the war with Georgia in 2008. The current success confirms this. Today, according to Yury Lastochkin, our EW equipment is superior to foreign analogues in range, range of objects of influence, and other parameters. At the same time, the share of modern weapons and military equipment in the EW troops is 46 percent. On the state defense order delivered about 300 main and more than a thousand small-sized means of electronic warfare.

Some in the West, not without a share of gloating, relished information about the latest Turkish EW system “Coral” (Koral), which supposedly would nullify the capabilities of our C-400 air defense system. Without a hint of embarrassment, they took for granted the statement of the General Staff of the Turkish army, as if it would disable all Russian radar systems in Syria. Indeed, the Coral with a range of about 150 kilometers is designed to suppress modern ground-based, sea-based and airborne radars. But, first of all, those who are at least a little familiar with the specifics of our anti-aircraft missile systems can say that they are created taking into account possible radio-electronic countermeasures. Secondly, there is still no proven evidence of Coral’s capabilities. Thirdly, the C-400 ZRS has already implemented highly effective measures of protection against interference, which will not allow us to stifle our funds.

The report of the US Army Directorate for the Study of Foreign Armed Forces noted that today Russia has great potential for EW, and the political and military leadership understands the importance of such means of warfare. “Their growing opportunities to blind and disable digital communication systems can help them (Russians - AS) to equalize forces in the fight against an opponent that is superior in strength,” the document stresses.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 28 May 2016 05: 32
    +18
    Not wet umbrella from all types of precipitation and encroachment.
    1. Pavel Tsybai
      Pavel Tsybai 28 May 2016 12: 12
      .
      TIRED TO READ A LIKE BAYD OR IL 22 was produced in a single COPY OF 1947, So the rest is also LIES.
      1. Homo
        Homo 28 May 2016 18: 57
        +28
        Quote: Pavel Tsybay
        TIRED TO READ A LIKE BAYD OR IL 22 was produced in a single COPY OF 1947, So the rest is also LIES.

        belay belay belay
        And besides VIKI you do not know other sources of information?
        "... In 1980, the Il-18RT and Il-18RT telemetry planes, created on the basis of the Il-20D, entered service ..."
        "... Also on the basis of the Il-18D were built air command posts (VKP or VKP) Il-22 ..."
        http://www.brazd.ru/av/il-22.html
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 28 May 2016 19: 17
          +18
          Quote: Pavel Tsybay
          TIRED TO READ A LIKE BAYD OR IL 22 was produced in a single COPY OF 1947, So the rest is also LIES.

          ... you are not respected ... firmly hit a finger in the sky ... laughing ... having thus turned themselves ... laughing information from http://russianplanes.net ... up to serial numbers and registration numbers ... at the moment, there are 21 aircraft flying in the Russian Air Force, 2 aircraft in the Naval Aviation ... hi ... and visually a screen with data for 2016 ...
          Quote: Homo
          And besides VIKI you do not know other sources of information?
          "... In 1980, the Il-18RT and Il-18RT telemetry planes, created on the basis of the Il-20D, entered service ..."
          "... Also on the basis of the Il-18D were built air command posts (VKP or VKP) Il-22 ..."

          ... absolutely true, and taking into account the reliability and low cost of flight hours, they still fly ... hi
          1. Pavel Tsybai
            Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 13: 50
            -5
            You have shown me so much, I’m sorry I have all this, I’m a model designer of aircraft, copies do not go to Russia at the slightest flaw. I create it myself. But IL22 is the most controversial aircraft. One name was given to two different cars. Tuning IL 18 does not fit IL22. Sincerely, Pavel Tsybay
        2. Pavel Tsybai
          Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 10: 08
          -1
          I respect Aviation. And there are many and expensive directories, you can call it IL 22 a lot and differently, but this is the most incomprehensible aircraft in Russia, and determine by the photo who he really is?
        3. Pavel Tsybai
          Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 13: 42
          -3
          Sorry, the base of the aircraft, not the alteration of the Dolphin, but EXACTLY the BASE, that is, the glider. IL 22 REACTIVE
      2. kaban7
        kaban7 28 May 2016 19: 03
        +21
        Chmtaite, student: "The carrier of reconnaissance and selective suppression of communication channels and enemy detection systems was created on the basis of the well-proven Il-18 aircraft.

        The IL-20 / IL-22 family of military aircraft was made on the basis of the IL-18 civilian turboprop airliner. IL-18 attracted the military with its efficiency and ability to stay in the air for a long time.

        Several special-purpose vehicles were created on the IL-20 platform: in particular, measuring complexes for testing rocketry, radio-technical reconnaissance aircraft, and air command posts (the IL-22 itself). At the moment, the Russian Air Force orders several types of modernization of these machines.

        One of them (IL-22M11) is the latest version of the Sokol airborne relay station (SURT). Another is the modification of Il-20M radio-technical reconnaissance aircraft according to the “Monitor” and “Anagram” projects (details of the projects are not given in open sources).

        Another modification - just the Il-22PP ("jammer"), also known under the code of the program "Cutter". This is an electronic warfare aircraft equipped with modern suppression equipment, in particular, side antennas and towed transmitters that unwind several hundred meters in flight. The modernization of the project is carried out by the Experimental Machine-Building Plant. VM Myasishcheva in Zhukovsky near Moscow. "


        https://defendingrussia.ru/enc/spec_aviacija/samoletpostanovschik_pomeh_il22pp_p
        orubschik-892 /
        1. Pavel Tsybai
          Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 10: 34
          .
          Dear prokhvessor buy at least one directory on aviation and try not to believe everything that you read. IL 22 REACTIVE
          1. Pavel Tsybai
            Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 12: 40
            0
            And in addition to the minus, please guess the airplane, I’ll already erase it please! A plus for you.
        2. Pavel Tsybai
          Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 12: 54
          -4
          And try not to poke poked.
      3. venik
        venik 28 May 2016 20: 39
        +15
        Quote: Pavel Tsybay
        TIRED TO READ A LIKE BAYD OR IL 22 was produced in a single COPY OF 1947, So the rest is also LIES.


        By the way, dear, but where does the article say that there are LOT OF THEM with Syria?
        I quote:
        "To create an electronic umbrella on the border with Turkey COULD BE used other newest electronic warfare equipment. To suppress radars, disrupt guidance, control and communication systems - complexes such as" Lever "," Moscow "," Mercury "," Prubshchik ". based on IL-22 ... "

        And where did you get the idea that only 1 side was built ???
        So accept the "-" and no offense!
        1. Pavel Tsybai
          Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 10: 31
          -5
          Yes, what insults. It’s just that IL 22 was REACTIVE and built in One copy. I love the model myself to create it just avia. According to directories, but I choose for a long time to calculate the original, the English and Russian directories do not just contradict, but complete nonsense.
      4. Pavel Tsybai
        Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 10: 02
        -2
        And you all minusers decide which of them is OH IL 22
        1. Duke
          Duke 30 May 2016 16: 55
          +4
          The carrier of reconnaissance and selective suppression of communication channels and enemy detection systems is based on the well-proven Il-18 aircraft.
          The IL-20 / IL-22 family of military aircraft was made on the basis of the IL-18 civilian turboprop airliner. IL-18 attracted the military with its efficiency and ability to stay in the air for a long time.
          Several special-purpose vehicles were created on the IL-20 platform: in particular, measuring complexes for testing rocketry, radio-technical reconnaissance aircraft, and air command posts (the IL-22 itself). At the moment, the Russian Air Force orders several types of modernization of these machines.
          One of them (IL-22M11) is the latest version of the Sokol airborne relay station (SURT). Another is the modification of Il-20M radio-technical reconnaissance aircraft according to the “Monitor” and “Anagram” projects (details of the projects are not given in open sources).
          Another modification is just IL-22PP ("jammer"), also known under the code of the program "chopper". This is an electronic warfare aircraft equipped with modern suppression equipment, in particular side antennas and towed transmitters, unwinding in flight by several hundred meters.
      5. Pavel Tsybai
        Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 10: 03
        -1
        Or is he
      6. The comment was deleted.
        1. Pavel Tsybai
          Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 10: 13
          +1
          And so as not to be bored, here is another copywriter.
          1. Pavel Tsybai
            Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 10: 20
            +1
            And for fun, here's another photo. Just enlarge them (photo) and read the title.
            1. Pavel Tsybai
              Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 10: 38
              0
              Dolphin-IL 18 is an ideal machine, I agree with both hands for it. IL 20 is its counterpart for military purposes, but IL 22 dismiss, I apologize.
              1. Pavel Tsybai
                Pavel Tsybai 29 May 2016 13: 24
                0
                And if, in fact, the second plane was given the same name, then I was sorry, IL 22 was, and for some reason another one appeared.
                1. korvin1976
                  korvin1976 29 May 2016 17: 19
                  +5
                  Why are you offended that they assigned numbers to different aircraft? Nothing happens this way, especially when one of them is not brought to a normal state and is not accepted upon state testing:
                  IL-22 is an experimental aircraft of the Ilyushin Design Bureau, the first Soviet jet bomber, as well as the first Soviet heavy 4-engine jet aircraft. The aircraft was tested in two stages in 1947-1948, but was not transferred to the series.
                  During the tests, it was found that the engine thrust of 1300 kgf was not enough to obtain the necessary flight parameters (it was initially assumed that the thrust could be brought to 1600 kgf). Because of this, the take-off mass had to be reduced by 4000 kg (up to 20000 kg). The flight time was only 1 hour 25 minutes, range - 885 km. The speed was also insufficient - 656 km / h at the ground and 718 km / h at altitude. The take-off run was 1144 m. Despite the shortcomings, the feedback from the first test pilots, brothers Vladimir and Konstantin Kokkinaki, was positive. They noted good handling and good aerodynamic qualities of the aircraft.

                  In 1948, the second phase of testing was carried out. Two engines were replaced with new ones, but their thrust was never brought to the calculated one. Also tests of take-off with solid fuel boosters were carried out, which allowed to reduce the take-off run by 38%.

                  According to the results of two stages, it was decided not to transfer the aircraft to state tests, and all work on it was curtailed. The experience of the development and testing of the IL-22 was later used in work on a production aircraft - IL-28.

                  That is, in fact, this is not an IL-22, but an object, like the same T-95 tank, "Black Eagle" and so on ...

                  And now about the IL-22
                  Also, IL-18 air command posts (VKP or VzKP) IL-22, equipped with closed code communication equipment (ZAS), were built on the basis of IL-18D. The crews of these aircraft include ZAS equipment operators and combat control officers. On the starboard side of the aircraft, the loading hatch of the Il-XNUMX luggage compartment was connected to the passenger compartment by a mine and serves for emergency exit of the aircraft. All crew jobs were equipped with chairs with a parachute cup. A different oxygen system has been installed.
                  And this is no longer "OBJECT", it is already a deep modernization.
                  And these "objects" passed state tests and went into series, and now they were named IL-22.
                  1. otter.1
                    otter.1 29 May 2016 17: 53
                    +3
                    It was known for normal people and for those who are interested, but here: "IL-22 is reactive, I understood, yes, in those photos, compare the stupid person, I am a model designer, I know all imaginable and inconceivable catalogs by heart, dropouts (though a good half of the catalogs were written by our "partners") what are you showing me here, etc. etc. And how many more are there on Russi ???
      7. iliya87
        iliya87 30 May 2016 15: 31
        0
        Aviation of the Navy of the Russian Federation - 2 Il-20RT and 2 Il-22, as of 2016
        Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation - 15 Il-20M, 12 Il-22M and 5 Il-22, as of 2016
        OJSC "Il" carries out a number of experimental design works and works on modernization of special-purpose aircraft such as Il-20, Il-22, anti-submarine aircraft Il-38, military transport Il-76MDM / Il-76MD-90A (projects "Kuznetsk" / "Kuznetsk-2") and An-124. Work has begun on the creation of the Il-112 light military transport aircraft by order of the Russian Ministry of Defense. The total volume of signed contracts is about 20 billion rubles, including in the part of the state defense order - 16,4 billion. According to operational data of the financial and economic service of OJSC "Il", the plan for the first half of 2014 in terms of revenue was fulfilled by 101,6 percent.
        By your logic, the F-16 and SU-24 should no longer fly since the ancients are like mammoths. Actually, this is the real practice of all states in the modernization of military equipment. Today, as it were, it’s 16% different from the F-300 of shaggy years, as is our technology when compared with the initial releases.
        Not surprised by the number of cons
  2. mivmim
    mivmim 28 May 2016 05: 35
    +17
    Thus, Syria turned out to be a training ground where important experience was gained in real combat conditions, including in confrontation with RES of developed countries of the West.

    As Putin said, "Where else can we practice like this?"
  3. cyber
    cyber 28 May 2016 05: 46
    +36
    "Those who are glad to be deceived will be deceived" ... information on the blindness of Americans under our "umbrella" was received through what channels? Just chattering in the Western press? Or is there evidence from our intelligence? It's just that this hype about our electronic power in the west was not just a lulling song. laughing Already a sick open West screams its weakness against our systems ... suspiciously
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 28 May 2016 05: 58
      +31
      Quote: cyber
      Already a sick open West screams its weakness against our systems ... suspiciously

      In recent years, a number of electronic warfare systems have actually been adopted by our country. But how many people on the site have information on how long their development took, on whose elemental base they were created and how many in reality are they in the troops? Of course, we are not talking about any superiority of our army in this regard. No. We just pulled ourselves up to the modern level, but there is still a lot of work in this direction.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 28 May 2016 07: 18
        +8
        Quote: Bongo
        But how many people on the site have information on how long their development took, on whose elemental base they were created and how many in reality are they in the troops?

        Probably you and yourself "meant"
        Quote: Bongo
        Of course, we are not talking about any superiority of our army in this regard.

        What in general did not stop you from making such an all-knowing statement)))
        Quote: Bongo
        We just pulled ourselves up to the modern level

        That's interesting, a person who claims that he practically cannot know nichrome, discusses the levels))) So I want to ask. And what is this level so modern))) and most importantly, who is that amazing country that exclusively owns it)))
        Quote: Bongo
        But how many people on the site own information

        I suppose this concerns, among other things, your unique inferences about this notorious "modern" level.
        Z.Y. If we leave out the stupid disputes of amateurs about a little-known subject, then from the generally available one we can state the fact that the use of electronic warfare equipment is most effective in defense.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 28 May 2016 07: 29
          +6
          Quote: SPACE
          Probably you and yourself "meant"

          I regularly state my knowledge and views in publications at VO. hi
          Quote: SPACE
          That's interesting, a man who claims that he practically cannot know nichrome, discusses the levels

          If you quote, please quote verbatim, I don’t need to ascribe to someone else. negative
          Quote: SPACE
          What in general didn’t stop you from making such an all-knowing statement

          I know - what I know, I do not intend to comment on this. Some on the site are aware of my education and how I earn my living by the nature of my main activity, but this does not concern you. No.
          Quote: SPACE
          If we leave out the stupid disputes of amateurs about a little-known subject, then from the generally available one we can state the fact that the use of electronic warfare equipment is most effective in defense.

          To the question of amateurs?
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 28 May 2016 08: 07
            +5
            Quote: Bongo
            I regularly state my knowledge in my publications

            Here I am about the same negative
            Quote: Bongo
            If you quote, please quote verbatim, I don’t need to ascribe to someone else.

            Yes? And who wrote this ...
            Quote: Bongo
            But how many people on the site have information on how long their development took, on whose elemental base they were created and how many in reality are they in the troops? Of course, we are not talking about any superiority of our army in this regard. We just pulled ourselves up to the modern level

            ??? Oh yes you do not intend ...
            Quote: Bongo
            I know - what I know, I do not intend to comment on this.

            Quote: Bongo
            Some on the site are aware of my education and how I earn my living by the nature of my main activity, but this does not concern you.

            I am certainly not at all interested in Witnesses of your education, authority, and all your other activities, especially since I had experience communicating with you and your logic here on the site, and let me draw conclusions myself. But whatever would concern me, you can then just stop writing here, or else touch.
            Z.Y. And yes, less water and closer to the topic ...
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 28 May 2016 08: 21
              +7
              Quote: SPACE
              Here I am about the same

              Don't like don't read request I don’t dare to insist, although on the other hand, who is stopping you in the comments to my publications, "bring me to clean water"? However, I don't write about "gayrope", Ukraine and homosexuals in the American army, but you probably aren't interested in anything else?
              lol
              Quote: SPACE
              Yes? And who wrote this ...
              Quote: Bongo
              But how many people on the site have information on how long their development took, on whose elemental base they were created and how many in reality are they in the troops? Of course, we are not talking about any superiority of our army in this regard. We just pulled ourselves up to the modern level

              And what does it mean? I expressed my own opinion based on facts known to me, if it does not coincide with yours - this is not my problem. request Why should we go over to personalities, or are there no other arguments besides throwing poop? negative
              Quote: SPACE
              I'm certainly completely uninterested

              Like you to me hi
              Quote: SPACE
              But whatever would concern me, you can simply stop writing here.

              Or maybe you stop going to the site? smile
              1. SPACE
                SPACE 28 May 2016 09: 17
                +3
                Quote: Bongo
                who is stopping you in the comments to my publications "to bring me to clean water"?

                There is nothing to withdraw from the word at all
                Quote: Bongo

                I expressed my own opinion, if it does not coincide with yours - this is not my problem. Why should we go over to personalities?

                Of course, everyone has the right to express their own opinion, I will not encroach on this, but all opinions are subject to this public court and divided into truthful and not.
                And I didn’t go over to personalities, you yourself went over, rubbing with your authoritative regalia, like a flag, as if this is direct evidence of your correctness. There are still not such clever people being bullied, so this is generally normal, people need to choose the seed of truth from a bunch of different opinions.
                Z.Y. And that was my opinion, and if it does not coincide with yours, which is also not my problem, but people will judge ...
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 28 May 2016 09: 41
                  +6
                  Quote: SPACE
                  There is nothing to withdraw from the word at all

                  This is your purely personal, unconfirmed opinion. wink
                  Quote: SPACE
                  Of course, everyone has the right to express their own opinion, I will not encroach on this, but all opinions are subject to this public court and divided into truthful and not.

                  Certainly yes
                  Quote: SPACE
                  And I didn’t go over to personalities, you yourself went over, rubbing with your authoritative regalia, like a flag, as if this is direct evidence of your correctness.

                  You have a sore imagination lol
                  Quote: SPACE
                  There are still not such clever people being bullied, so this is generally normal, people need to choose the seed of truth from a bunch of different opinions.
                  Aren't you going to pester me? lol

                  Quote: SPACE
                  And that was my opinion, and if it does not coincide with yours, which is also not my problem, but people will judge ...

                  good
                  1. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 28 May 2016 20: 08
                    +4
                    Cosmos, Bongo write ischo. Holivar is interesting to everyone. Dissolve a dialogue on the entire article. Who is the first crap?
              2. zyablik.olga
                zyablik.olga 28 May 2016 09: 23
                +4
                Quote: Bongo
                I don’t like it, don’t read the request I don’t dare to insist, although on the other hand, who is stopping you in the comments to my publications "to bring me to clean water"?

                Quote: SPACE
                There is nothing to withdraw from the word at all

                Sergei, the dog barks - and the caravan goes. Write, let further malice emanate. wink
                1. SPACE
                  SPACE 28 May 2016 09: 43
                  +2
                  ... The caravan goes, the dog writes ...
                  Quote: zyablik.olga
                  Sergei, the dog barks - and the caravan goes. Write, let further malice emanate.


                  And where is the malice? In what? Or maybe in you, because of the fact that they questioned this ...
                  Quote: Bongo
                  But how many people on the site have information on how long their development took, on whose elemental base they were created and how many in reality are they in the troops? Of course, we are not talking about any superiority of our army in this regard. We just pulled ourselves up to the modern level,

                  Yes, of course let him write ...
                  1. Bongo
                    Bongo 28 May 2016 09: 54
                    +6
                    Quote: SPACE
                    And where is the malice? In what? Or maybe in you, because of the fact that they questioned this ...

                    How did you express doubt and what? It seems to me that they started throwing poop right away. negative If you, something incomprehensibly ask questions, I can answer that you can. Adequate people do just that.
                    Quote: SPACE
                    Yes, of course let him write ...
                    Thank you for allowing me to, otherwise I cried out without your permission. wink
                    1. SPACE
                      SPACE 28 May 2016 15: 48
                      +2
                      Quote: Bongo
                      How did you express doubt and what?

                      I'm too lazy to repeat, in your unsubstantiated statement about some kind of achievement of a certain level))) what is this level and who determines it? Yes, in the principe I know who you mean and what, after all, this is a red thread in your every comment and article, "we are a little behind and in everything," despite the fact that even if we assume that you have some kind of involvement in special knowledge, but only if if we were talking about narrow areas of knowledge, but you are betrayed by the excessive confidence of criticism in general of all areas of the Armed Forces, which clearly proves the opposite.
                      The United States is buying from Russia rocket engines, helicopters, which have little inferior weapons and a whole range of sophisticated technologies, some of which are a fact in sole use, such as delivering people to the ISS, while I do not claim that they are powerless, but you’re trying to assert about the levels, while I am sure not having complete knowledge.
              3. Achilles
                Achilles 28 May 2016 19: 45
                +7
                Quote: Bongo
                But how many people on the site have information on how long their development took, on whose elemental base they were created and how many in reality are they in the troops? Of course, we are not talking about any superiority of our army in this regard. We just pulled ourselves up to the modern level

                KOSMOS is completely right, you specifically write to Bongo: "But how many people on the site have information on how long it took to develop them, on whose element base they were created and how many of them are in the army in reality?" (You asked the question) This means that you yourself are not what do not know about the electronic warfare systems in our country, then write: "Of course, we are not talking about any superiority of our army in this regard." That’s actually the question, how can you say that there is no superiority when you don’t know anything about our electronic warfare systems, and then write: “We have only pulled ourselves up to the modern level”? Again the question is, how can you say that we have pulled ourselves up to the modern level, when you yourself don’t know anything specific? And again the question, to what modern level? Who determines this modern level? When all Western experts and ours say that in this area we are ahead of everyone. You Bongo in your quotes contradict yourself, KOSMOS tried to explain to you, and you stupidly rested in your own rightness when contradictions appeared. It proves that you are an inadequate character.
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 28 May 2016 11: 51
            0
            I regularly state my knowledge in publications on VO.


            That is precisely why it is strange to see such a peremptory and unproven statement from you. Your nickname no one hacked?
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 28 May 2016 12: 15
              +6
              Quote: alicante11
              That is precisely why it is strange to see such a peremptory and unproven statement from you.

              Excuse me, but what is it unproven? what
              Is it because we lack our elemental base, or that most of the site visitors have very little idea of ​​the specifics of electronic warfare, or do you want to say that our troops are quite saturated with new equipment, including electronic warfare systems?
              Quote: alicante11
              Your nickname no one hacked?

              But you are in vain ... negative
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 28 May 2016 13: 46
                +6
                Excuse me, but what is it unproven? what


                In recent years, a number of electronic warfare systems have actually been adopted by our country. But how many people on the site have information on how long their development took, on whose elemental base they were created and how many in reality are they in the troops? Of course, we are not talking about any superiority of our army in this regard. No We just pulled ourselves up to the modern level, but there is still a lot of work in this direction


                Perhaps I have something with eyes, but I do not see the PROOF here, only statements. This is strange to me.

                The fact that we lack our own elemental base, or do you want to say that our troops are quite saturated with new equipment, including electronic warfare systems?


                Well, these are again allegations. Not enough for what? To score an Obama phone signal? Maybe enough for current tasks? We have information about this not only very little, it simply does not. If you have - share, we will only be grateful.

                or the fact that most of the visitors to the site very poorly represent the specifics of electronic warfare,


                Well, this is not a forum for specialists in electronic warfare, agree. It would be strange if it were different. But does this mean that people will not understand, if you explain to them?

                or do you want to say that our troops are quite saturated with new equipment, including electronic warfare systems?


                Again, the question FOR WHICH are saturated? For what tasks?
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 28 May 2016 14: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Perhaps I have something with eyes, but I do not see the PROOF here, only statements.

                  And you do not agree with that. What am I saying and can you refute? I will only be glad. good
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Well, these are again allegations. Not enough for what? To score an Obama phone signal?

                  Did the military units of the REP set such a task?
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Maybe enough for current tasks?
                  Let's talk about aviation. Suppressing the guidance stations of air defense missile systems and surveillance radars is the most urgent task that you can eat, do you agree? So for most of the aircraft of the Russian Air Force, there is no modern equipment. The same Su-24Ms carry built-in units (depending on the task) to suppress the Hawk air defense systems (there are few of them left), Nike-Hercules (they are all gone) and the Patriot. Moreover, a replaceable set of equipment created in the 80s will allow you to deal with only one of the three complexes. The equipment itself is outdated and does not correspond to modern realities.
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Well, this is not a forum for specialists in electronic warfare, agree. It would be strange if it were different. But does this mean that people will not understand, if you explain to them?
                  so it is, I just stated a fact. Moreover. that the article, in my opinion, is miserable and contains a lot of "jambs".
                  Quote: alicante11
                  Again, the question FOR WHICH are saturated? For what tasks?

                  I will put it another way: modern complexes are entering the troops, but so far in insufficient numbers (I will not list the EW tasks in the conditions of combined arms combat). The same can be said about air defense and air force. Ask how things are with the new long-range missiles for the C-400 and what the situation was until recently with weapons for the Su-35C.
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 28 May 2016 14: 23
                    0
                    And you do not agree with that. What am I saying and can you refute? I will only be glad


                    Well, refute in the style of approval - no problem. Enough, a lot, the best. But with the evidence, as with you - not a lot :).

                    Did the military units of the REP set such a task?


                    And I claimed it?

                    SAM "Hawk" (there are few of them), "Nike-Hercules" (they all left) and "Patriot"


                    And ... potential opponents have something newer?
                    In addition, it is not a fact that the Khibiny were not finalized for use on the Su-24. After all, the incident with Cook was something. Moreover, more than once. Experiencing, modifying, IMHO.
                    Also, besides Su-24, there are Su-34, which are produced in commodity (but, of course, not Soviet) quantities, in which the Khibiny are already standard. In general, the air defense system is not the strongest side of the western air defense system, therefore, it is possible that the Su-34 is enough for operations in areas saturated with air defense.

                    Ask how things are with the new long-range missiles for the C-400


                    As far as I remember, they either couldn’t, or can’t accept it. But this does not mean that the complex is not combat-ready or cannot perform the traditional, say, tasks for C-300. Is not it?


                    what situation until recently was the armament for the Su-35С.


                    Yes, I would love to. Even here I asked in PM. But ... experts are silent. Maybe you enlighten ... at least in a personal.
                    1. zyablik.olga
                      zyablik.olga 28 May 2016 15: 23
                      +6
                      Quote: alicante11

                      Yes, I would love to. Even here I asked in PM. But ... experts are silent. Maybe you enlighten ... at least in a personal.
                      Sergey went fishing, and my competence here is clearly not enough. But most of these issues he touched on in his publications, at least with regard to air defense and air force. You can go to his profile and find yourself. Regarding Su-35, I can tell you that on this plane only recently began to use new missiles. About six months ago, Shoigu, in Komsosolsk, at a meeting held at the aircraft factory on this occasion, knocked his fist on the table.
      2. Mikhail Matyugin
        Mikhail Matyugin 28 May 2016 07: 24
        .
        Quote: Bongo
        Of course, we are not talking about any superiority of our army in this respect. We have only reached the modern level, but there is still a lot of work in this direction.

        How to say. We "pulled ourselves up to the modern" level in the 2000s, overcoming the shortcomings of the Soviet Army and the abyss of the 90s. And from about 2009-2012, the Russian Army came to one of the leading positions in the world and in general we can say that NEVER in our history has our army been as strong as it is now.
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 28 May 2016 07: 42
          +10
          Quote: Mikhail Matyugin
          The Russian army has reached one of the leading positions in the world, and in general it can be said that NEVER in our history our army was as strong as it is now.

          Really? No. And you did not try to compare our Air Force and Air Defense with the times of the USSR. Do you generally know how many say in the Far East there are operating airfields and how many air regiments are located on them? Take an interest - this is open information, and watch the 1 channel less. A couple of years ago, especially for people like you, I wrote this:The current state of the Russian air defense system
          We certainly have changes for the better, but their pace unfortunately is still unsatisfactory.
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 28 May 2016 08: 43
            +5
            Quote: Bongo
            And you did not try to compare our Air Force and Air Defense with the times of the USSR.

            And I’m not tired of comparing it with the USSR, the USA, NATO, China, etc., maybe it’s time to have our sober brains and our independent development strategy for the armed forces, taking into account, among other things, economic, political realities and probabilistic factors of its development, which guarantee a reasonable level of sufficient security .
            Everything is going fine, stable and most importantly no more is needed, no races, comparisons and races are needed, calmly and without undue excitement, on an ongoing basis in 70 billions, you will be engaged in your own safety and everything will be, everything will be built.
            Z.Y. let’s recall how earlier here on a site of various levels the wise men constantly tempered about the non-flying Mace, the 50 spacecraft without Hermes, etc., and today Armata is almost on the move ..., well, where were their old and unnecessary snot ... in no use to anyone version of the past.
            1. vv3
              vv3 28 May 2016 11: 41
              -2
              I wonder if "space" is a diagnosis or an obituary? Why waste time on such an uryonka?
              1. Bongo
                Bongo 28 May 2016 11: 50
                +7
                Quote: vv3
                I wonder space is a diagnosis or a narcologist? Why waste time on such an urn?

                Valery, you're wrong here No. It is completely unacceptable to insult anyone. If you continue in the same vein, an inevitable ban awaits you. As for time, on duty I have a lot of it. Why not chat with interesting people?
      3. godofwar6699
        godofwar6699 28 May 2016 12: 05
        .
        an umbrella will not save from a thousand unmanned aerial vehicles hi
        1. cergey51046
          cergey51046 28 May 2016 13: 43
          +4
          Thousands still need to be fucked. They will fly tight, there will be more losses. EW in the area of ​​responsibility destroys drones.
          1. godofwar6699
            godofwar6699 28 May 2016 22: 10
            -4
            EW? ha ha ha!
        2. MaksoMelan
          MaksoMelan 29 May 2016 11: 29
          0
          They are simply irradiated with an antenna and they all with exploded brains will fly to the bottom. We put ammunition with a shot on the plane and the whole sky in parrots. Or just an explosion of something cheesy among this flock. There are many fragments there.
        3. Papandopulo
          Papandopulo 31 May 2016 05: 28
          0
          then fly swatter
      4. sivuch
        sivuch 28 May 2016 14: 16
        +3
        Sergey, I can’t talk about qualitative superiority - not an expert, but, for example, the Soviet Union, and then the RF, is clearly ahead of the rest in the number of types of jamming helicopters. I once tried to systematize how many of them were based on the eight , but got off the balance. And now for some reason they write only about the Lever
      5. avia1991
        avia1991 28 May 2016 22: 19
        +2
        Quote: Bongo
        Of course, we are not talking about any superiority of our army in this regard.

        To assert this, you need to be "inside" the Ministry of Defense, have direct information from the General Staff, and be close to documents that are usually marked with the stamp "Sov. Secret". Do you meet any of the requirements? If not, there is no need to make unfounded statements.
        ... at least, I personally have not heard of a single case connected with the "blinding" of our military when meeting with a ... potential enemy, as happened, for example, during the contact between "Donald Cook" and "Khibiny". Surely our zhurnalyugi could not sniff out?! .. But Westerners are also silent on this topic. what It turns out that either ours are better, or "potential" are all "gentlemen", and we are not offended laughing
        What do you like more?
        there is still a lot of work in this direction.
        But nobody argues with this. BUT! And when was it not enough? In these areas, work is ongoing - this is, in fact, the key to our survival request
    2. Professor
      Professor 28 May 2016 06: 48
      +11
      Quote: cyber
      Already a sick open West screams its weakness against our systems ... suspiciously

      According to the NATO charter, the military budget of member countries should be at least 2% of GDP. In fact, they (with great exception) do not reach half. Now generals and lobbyists there will easily knock money out of their parliaments in view of the growing Russian threat. If there were no real Russian threats, they would come up with the Martian threat. hi
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 May 2016 06: 50
        +3
        Quote: Professor
        . If there were no real Russian threats, they would come up with the Martian threat.

        Is the Russian threat a reality?
        1. Professor
          Professor 28 May 2016 07: 03
          .
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          Is the Russian threat a reality?

          How do I know what the "Russian threat" is? Russian is real.
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          2. cyber
            cyber 28 May 2016 07: 08
            +14
            If I understand you correctly, then Russia is real, just like American or Israeli or Chinese ... in the context of the fact that if there is military force, it means a potential threat ...
          3. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 May 2016 07: 10
            +8
            Quote: Professor
            Russian is real.

            Ohrenet, and what is it?
            1. Professor
              Professor 28 May 2016 07: 16
              .
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Ohrenet, and what is it?

              In "peacekeepers" operating without mandates, in green men, in the deployment of military bases under NATO's nose, in the militarization of the Arctic and further down the list. You ask the Poles or the Balts. They will tell you in detail. You can ask the Swedes and the Finns. Do not ask Ukraine and Georgia. You will not get an adequate answer.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 May 2016 07: 22
                +22
                Quote: Professor

                In "peacekeepers" operating without mandates, in green men, in the deployment of military bases under NATO's nose, in the militarization of the Arctic and further down the list

                Hey, you’re my peacemaker, you’re sitting here and convincing everyone that missile defense has no threats to Russia. Russia is a threat. And you wouldn’t go with your America to the key of all mandates to hell.
                My eyes come out on my forehead when I read that Russia has such a *** base near NATO’s borders.
                It’s hard to get me out, but you did it. The face on the table, the best medicine that comes to my mind.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 28 May 2016 07: 41
                  .
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  It’s hard to get me out, but you did it. The face on the table, the best medicine that comes to my mind.

                  Take care of your face. Your medicine is not very good. wassat

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Evidence that a statement about the effectiveness of our electronic warfare is just a way to knock money out?

                  Money is knocked out not "based on the effectiveness" of electronic warfare, but by listing a complex threat from Russia. Each pass over the bourgeois steamer, each interception of the "bears" adds arguments to them.
                  Do you want to speculate about the effectiveness of electronic warfare? Compare your electronic and bourgeois electronic warfare systems (if possible).
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 28 May 2016 07: 44
                    +4
                    Quote: Professor
                    Take care of your face. Your medicine is not very good.

                    Vali in an emergency!
                    1. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 28 May 2016 12: 08
                      +8
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Quote: Professor
                      Take care of your face. Your medicine is not very good.

                      Vali in an emergency!

                      Well, Alexander and you were seduced by Olegov’s tricks, but where is your famous sense of humor?
                      1. Bongo
                        Bongo 28 May 2016 12: 22
                        +6
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Well, Alexander and you were seduced by Olegov’s tricks, but where is your famous sense of humor?

                        Aron, we have bad weather today, so Sasha broke. However, communication with Oleg, without prejudice to the nervous system, was not given to everyone to withstand. lol
                      2. 0255
                        0255 28 May 2016 14: 19
                        0
                        Quote: Bongo
                        However, communication with Oleg, without prejudice to the nervous system, was not given to everyone to withstand. lol

                        I stand laughing
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 28 May 2016 12: 23
                      +14
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi

                      Well, Alexander and you were seduced by Olegov’s tricks, but where is your famous sense of humor?

                      This was not a handout. Solovyov, look, there is such a bald imbecile Kovtun. Russophobe carries a complete blizzard and mows under the patient. There is no point in arguing with him. But he is invited there and he is paid small, but money. Kovtun is a kind of troll for the masses.
                      I must also have someone on our website who defend the position of the United States. Only he does it vile and nothing but hatred of the flag of Israel will cause people. But this is a problem. Kovtun Professor pah, trolling too shallow. Another problem - For his words, cons and hatred will fly to others who are sitting under the flags of Israel.
                    3. Bongo
                      Bongo 28 May 2016 12: 33
                      +3
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      But this is already a problem. On Professor Kovtun himself pah, trolling too finely

                      Sasha, in vain you wound up. No. Oleg, like me, is just bored, so he jokes. Let's go fishing better tomorrow, the weather seems to be normal.
                    4. Professor
                      Professor 28 May 2016 12: 40
                      +1
                      Quote: Bongo
                      Let's go fishing better tomorrow, the weather seems to be normal.

                      You have not enough animals (feathered) innocently killed by you, so you kill fish for the sake of pleasure? recourse

                      Regarding the article, I think many of us felt the "effectiveness" of electronic warfare on ourselves when we listened to the enemy voices. The Soviet electronic warfare did not cope with the "voices". In the Caucasus, it was even more or less possible to drown out, but in the south of Ukraine I listened to rock practically without interference. hi
                    5. Bongo
                      Bongo 28 May 2016 12: 53
                      +12
                      Quote: Professor
                      You have not enough animals (feathered) innocently killed by you, so you kill fish for the sake of pleasure?

                      Only for food. Photo taken in January 2016, caught 9 pieces, two were released on 3-4 kg. It’s a pity that it’s not your fate to try stroganina from taimen ... tongue
                      Quote: Professor
                      Regarding the article, I think many of us felt the "effectiveness" of electronic warfare on ourselves when we listened to the enemy voices. The Soviet electronic warfare did not cope with the "voices". In the Caucasus, it was even more or less possible to drown out, but in the south of Ukraine I listened to rock practically without interference.

                      Well, call jammers designed for broadband household radio receivers EW-loudly said. lol The "voices" could be heard without any problems on the "sideband" on military receivers such as the R-155. The watch ends and I will round off for today.
                    6. Professor
                      Professor 28 May 2016 12: 58
                      +1
                      Quote: Bongo
                      For food only.

                      Then a completely different matter. By the way, in the photo the man looks like Putin ...

                      Quote: Bongo
                      Well, call jammers designed for broadband household radio receivers EW-loudly said.

                      Still a fact. hi
                    7. Bongo
                      Bongo 28 May 2016 13: 22
                      +6
                      Quote: Professor
                      Then a completely different matter. By the way, in the photo the man looks like Putin ...

                      Well, why? wassat
                    8. Professor
                      Professor 28 May 2016 13: 37
                      .
                      Quote: Bongo
                      Well, why?

                      Sorry. I didn’t want to offend. repeat
                    9. Bongo
                      Bongo 28 May 2016 13: 48
                      +7
                      Quote: Professor
                      Sorry. I didn’t want to offend.

                      Nevermind, drinks However, you are not the first, they already told me about this photo laughing .
                    10. Professor
                      Professor 28 May 2016 14: 16
                      -6
                      Quote: Bongo
                      I have already been told about this photo

                      Solid little fish. Kosher? wink

                      Quote: 0255
                      And before they wrote that "the Syrian rebels will turn up Assad as Hussein or Gaddafi." Why are you so offended by the Islamists that you changed your mind about them?

                      For me, that the Islamists, that Assad ... Neither of those nor the other (other) did not feel sympathy.

                      Quote: 0255
                      Well then, are you outraged by Russia's bases in Syria and Armenia?

                      Not any indignation. I am amazed at your indignation at NATO and their bases. Since everyone can be everyone.

                      Quote: 0255
                      If the first Cold War ended, then why did the United States sponsor Chechen terrorists during the rule of Democrat Yeltsin?

                      Docs to the studio.

                      Quote: 0255
                      Why sponsor all sorts of "Siberia is not Russia", demonize Russia in computer games?

                      Not interested in this topic. And about the games, this is a private matter.
                    11. zyablik.olga
                      zyablik.olga 28 May 2016 15: 44
                      +4
                      Quote: Professor
                      Solid little fish. Kosher?

                      Professor, and kosher depends on the size? fellow
                      Here is the largest pike caught Earrings -8 kg. However, he distributes the most part of the caught fish to his friends-acquaintances, he eats only Lenkov, taimen and grayling, well, sometimes crucian carp.
                    12. Professor
                      Professor 28 May 2016 16: 55
                      0
                      Quote: zyablik.olga
                      Professor, and kosher depends on the size?

                      It does not depend on the size. However, pike fish are not kosher. There are no scales on it. wink

                      Quote: zyablik.olga
                      he distributes most of the caught fish to his acquaintances,

                      Respect. hi
                    13. atalef
                      atalef 28 May 2016 17: 33
                      +4
                      Quote: Professor
                      However, pike fish are not kosher. There are no scales on it.

                      Oleg, everything is fine, the pike is kosher. good
                    14. Professor
                      Professor 28 May 2016 17: 39
                      -1
                      Quote: atalef
                      Oleg, everything is fine, the pike is kosher.

                      Now I am calm about Bongo. bully
                    15. BARKHAN
                      BARKHAN 29 May 2016 14: 56
                      +1
                      Quote: atalef
                      Oleg, everything is fine, kosher pike

                      But what about the scales?
                    16. kush62
                      kush62 30 May 2016 03: 48
                      +4
                      Quote: Professor
                      However, pike fish are not kosher. There are no scales on it.

                      atalef (8) May 28, 2016 17:33 p.m. ↑ New

                      Oleg, everything is fine, the pike is kosher.

                      On a military-patriotic Russian site, Israelis discuss food kosher. Ofanaret !!!
                  2. Parsec
                    Parsec 28 May 2016 18: 03
                    +7
                    Rabbis, rabbis, all around rabbis. And ichthyologists.
                2. MaksoMelan
                  MaksoMelan 29 May 2016 11: 36
                  0
                  Kosher is the lack of blood as I understand it. Blood merges from stinginess. Since the Jews believed that with blood the soul of the eaten could be absorbed into you. And to whom will hunting turn into brains for food? Or have a split personality.
            2. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 28 May 2016 16: 22
              +3
              Oh. What a power! good
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  5. vadimtt
    vadimtt 30 May 2016 13: 39
    0
    It seems that not only rock, but also "voices" got to your head laughing
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 28 May 2016 07: 56
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    Money is knocked out not "based on the effectiveness" of electronic warfare, but by listing a complex threat from Russia

    That is, there is no evidence?
    Quote: Professor
    Compare your electronic and bourgeois electronic warfare systems (if possible)

    Do you have access to their performance characteristics? Real, and not laid out on the network?

    For the rest of the above, there are no objections?
    1. Professor
      Professor 28 May 2016 08: 08
      +2
      Quote: Dart2027
      That is, there is no evidence?

      Evidence of what? Threats? Those who are in turn standing in NATO have enough of this evidence.

      Quote: Dart2027
      Do you have access to their performance characteristics? Real, and not laid out on the network?

      That's it. Nobody not only knows the performance characteristics of the bourgeois complexes, but even their names, but this does not interfere with talking about "efficiency". Everything related to electronic warfare is classified. And so much so that even the means of electronic warfare used in 1973 are still secret. I put a minus in this article for a reason. There is nothing to discuss here. Is that the dismissal of Cook's sailors ... wassat

      Quote: Dart2027
      For the rest of the above, there are no objections?

      I already said everything. In the second round I won’t go, otherwise someone will go to the side to calm themselves with a face on the table ..
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 28 May 2016 08: 20
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        Evidence of what? Threats?

        Evidence that a statement about the effectiveness of our electronic warfare is just a way to knock money out?
        Quote: Professor
        That's it. Nobody not only knows the performance characteristics of the bourgeois complexes, but even their names, but this does not interfere with talking about "efficiency"

        In fact, those who are supposed to know this by reason talk about their effectiveness.
        Quote: Professor
        I already said everything.

        What exactly?
        Quote: Dart2027
        Are you talking about the United States, which no one has invited to Syria?
        Are you talking about NATO, which at one time vowed that it would not approach the borders of the Russian Federation?
        These are not the Swedes who are constantly looking for our submarines, but can not find?
        Are you talking about those who were going to cut the population of South Ossetia and New Russia? And you do not want to ask the Palestinians what they think about Israel?
        For example, Canada, which wants to strengthen its military presence?

        You did not say anything about this.
      2. Professor
        Professor 28 May 2016 08: 32
        -1
        Quote: Dart2027
        Evidence that a statement about the effectiveness of our electronic warfare is just a way to knock money out?

        There is no question of any "effectiveness" at all. Either Harbins jam Cook, then Autobase plants a drone, but in fact both are fake. In no case do I want to say that Russian electronic warfare is ineffective, but I just repeat: their effectiveness is unknown. Nothing is known about bourgeois electronic warfare at all.

        Quote: Dart2027
        In fact, those who are supposed to know this by reason talk about their effectiveness.

        lol

        Quote: Dart2027
        Are you talking about the United States, which no one has invited to Syria?
        Are you talking about NATO, which at one time vowed that it would not approach the borders of the Russian Federation?
        These are not the Swedes who are constantly looking for our submarines, but can not find?
        Are you talking about those who were going to cut the population of South Ossetia and New Russia? And you do not want to ask the Palestinians what they think about Israel?
        For example, Canada, which wants to strengthen its military presence?

        The chronology is as follows. Russia has deployed a base on the border of NATO. Then followed the deployment of NATO bases.
        The Swedes know better what and how they are threatened. As their prime minister said, no one asked Moscow's opinion.
        The passion of the muzzle. In Nikolaev something I did not see a massacre, despite the absence of "volunteers". I asked the "Palestinians", and you?
        He wants to strengthen, and Russia strengthens.

        Back to the "efficiency" of electronic warfare?
      3. 0255
        0255 28 May 2016 10: 06
        +7
        Quote: Professor
        The chronology is as follows. Russia has deployed a base on the border of NATO. Then followed the deployment of NATO bases.
        The Swedes know better what and how they are threatened. As their prime minister said, no one asked Moscow's opinion.

        And sho, the Russian Federation does not have the right to deploy a military base on its territory? And why is NATO expanding towards the borders of Russia, taking in the countries of the former Warsaw Treaty? After all, the Cold War seems to have ended in 1991.
      4. Professor
        Professor 28 May 2016 11: 23
        +6
        Quote: 0255
        And sho, the Russian Federation does not have the right to deploy a military base on its territory?

        And that. It has the right, but only within the framework of its obligations. However, I did not know that Armenia and Syria are Russian territory. laughing

        Quote: 0255
        And why is NATO expanding towards the borders of Russia, taking in the countries of the former Warsaw Treaty?

        Where is it forbidden?

        Quote: 0255
        After all, the Cold War seems to have ended in 1991.

        The first Cold War ended. Now the Second begins. soldier

        Quote: Dart2027
        Well, evidence that there is no fake either.

        There is no evidence of their "effective" work. There is no point in even discussing Cook. Uryak cannot be convinced by anything, not even by the laws of physics.

        Quote: Dart2027
        About Yugoslavia, I wrote above.

        Why didn’t they write about the Boer War?

        Quote: Dart2027
        That is, they know about our submarines, then what they do not know in Moscow?

        They do not believe Moscow. Strange why? wink Maybe the watch of the press secretary that he bought for his wife’s earnings is not impressive?

        Quote: Dart2027
        Or maybe because the militias are just afraid. Suddenly a rebellion breaks out and they come to the rescue.

        Here's the catch. There are no "volunteers" in Nikolaev and blood is not shed there. Moreover, the Russian Drama Theater is working, there are Russian schools, but no blood is shed. Where is the massacre, cap?

        Quote: Dart2027
        But I had to wait until the NATO countries grab themselves everything, and only after that do something?

        Militarization of the Arctic by Canada or not Canada?

        Quote: Dart2027

        Well, what is their opinion?

        Their opinion does not apply to this article.
      5. 0255
        0255 28 May 2016 12: 15
        +5
        Quote: Professor
        And that. It has the right, but only within the framework of its obligations. However, I did not know that Armenia and Syria are Russian territory. laughing

        Japan, South Korea, EU countries are American territories? If not, then what the hell are the US bases doing there? As for Syria - stop worrying about the Islamists, who are dying from the unreasonable barbaric and undemocratic Russian FABs from your point of view.
        Quote: Professor
        Where is it forbidden?

        And where is Russia forbidden to create its own base?
        Quote: Professor
        The first Cold War ended. Now the Second begins. soldier

        the first cold war never ended. Why did the United States support terrorists in Chechnya when Yeltsin was president in Russia, who is considered good and democratic in the West? Why finance movements like "Siberia is not Russia", "Ural is not Russia", etc.? Why do they write computer games like Battlefield, Call of Duty or Ace Combat, where Russia is attacking the civilized USA?
      6. Professor
        Professor 28 May 2016 12: 24
        +2
        Quote: 0255
        Japan, South Korea, EU countries are American territories? If not, then what the hell are the US bases doing there?

        Quote: 0255
        And sho, the Russian Federation does not have the right to deploy a military base on its territory?

        request

        Quote: 0255
        As for Syria - stop worrying about the Islamists, who are dying from the mock barbaric and undemocratic Russian FABs from your point of view.

        I am very worried about the Islamists. Too few die. But what does the citizen of Belarus care about Syria?

        Quote: 0255
        And where is Russia forbidden to create its own base?

        No where is prohibited. Like NATO. So what's your problem? wink

        Quote: 0255

        the first cold war never ended.

        The scoop has sunk into oblivion. Or do you have other information? That is how the First Cold War ended. It is hard to say how the second will end.
      7. 0255
        0255 28 May 2016 14: 10
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        I am very worried about the Islamists. Too few die.

        And before they wrote that "the Syrian rebels will turn up Assad as Hussein or Gaddafi." Why are you so offended by the Islamists that you changed your mind about them?
        Quote: Professor
        But what does the citizen of Belarus care about Syria?

        I feel sorry for ordinary Syrians who are being killed by "moderate" and "immoderate" terrorists. Will you forbid me to sympathize with the victims of the Islamists?
        I am generally a kind person.
        Quote: Professor
        No where is prohibited. Like NATO. So what's your problem? wink

        Well then, are you outraged by Russia's bases in Syria and Armenia?
        Quote: Professor
        The scoop has sunk into oblivion. Or do you have other information? That is how the First Cold War ended. It is hard to say how the second will end.

        If the first Cold War is over, then why did the United States sponsor Chechen terrorists during the Democrat Yeltsin's rule? Why sponsor all sorts of "Siberia is not Russia", demonize Russia in computer games?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 28 May 2016 12: 55
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    There is no evidence of their "effective" work.
    As well as the fact that the statements of NATO generals referred to in the article are lies.
    Quote: Professor
    Why didn’t they write about the Boer War?
    That is, the fact that NATO carried out the aggression is beyond doubt?
    Quote: Professor
    They do not believe Moscow. Strange why?
    How many submarines of the Russian Navy did they find? None? Then why should "them" believe?
    Quote: Professor
    Where is the massacre, cap?
    After they got a tough tooth they will be afraid to provoke so as not to get a new Debaltseve.
    Quote: Professor
    Militarization of the Arctic by Canada or not Canada?
    In 2008, the Prime Minister of Canada, together with the cabinet of ministers, inspected the north of the country the purpose of the trip - to strengthen the militarization of the Arctic. So Russia has taken retaliatory measures. Well, the fact that NATO lost time is their problem. And by the way, in addition to Canada, there are other countries, for example, Norway.
    Quote: Professor
    Their opinion does not apply to this article.
    And what is the opinion of Ukraine and Georgia about which you asked?
  • Professor
    Professor 28 May 2016 13: 36
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    As well as the fact that the statements of NATO generals referred to in the article are lies.

    Persuaded. Give links to the statement of these generals. Let’s figure out what they said and what didn’t.

    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, the fact that NATO carried out the aggression is beyond doubt?

    And where does Russia have to do with it? I don’t remember your territory in Yugoslavia.

    Quote: Dart2027
    How many submarines of the Russian Navy did they find? None? Then why should "them" believe?

    The Swedes say they have discovered. And they took measures, they join NATO.

    Quote: Dart2027
    After they got a tough tooth they will be afraid to provoke so as not to get a new Debaltseve.

    Yeah. In Donetsk and Lugansk regions they are not afraid, but in Nikolaev they are drunk. So where is the massacre?

    Quote: Dart2027
    In 2008, the Prime Minister of Canada, together with the cabinet of ministers, inspected the north of the country the purpose of the trip - to strengthen the militarization of the Arctic.

    Link to the studio on the purpose of his visit.

    Quote: Dart2027
    And what is the opinion of Ukraine and Georgia about which you asked?

    Examples of the military threat to Russia.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 28 May 2016 15: 21
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Give links to the statement of these generals

    For example:
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/10/21/russia-winning-the-electronic-war/
    Lieutenant General Ben Hodges, commander of US forces in Europe, called the Russian EW potential in Ukraine "breathtaking." In a speech at a conference in October, Ronald Pontius, deputy chief of the US Army Cyber ​​Command Lieutenant General Edward Cardon, said: “We can only conclude that we are moving forward at a wrong pace. which this threat requires of us. ”
    Quote: Professor
    Yeah. In Donetsk and Lugansk regions are not afraid, and in Nikolaev are drunk
    We were not afraid when the "Russian enemies" policy began. Now they themselves are not happy, but nothing can be changed. So they are afraid to expand Novorossiya even more.
    Quote: Professor
    Examples of the military threat to Russia.
    Is the military threat from Russia when the Georgian army invades South Ossetia and kills the Russian peacekeepers? Or when in Kiev there is an armed seizure of power by people who call for the destruction of Russia?
    Quote: Professor
    Swedes say they discovered
    At the same time, they cannot clearly say anything specific. For example, what should she do there? However, they did find one submarine - it sank during the WWII.
    Quote: Professor
    And where does Russia have to do with it?
    NATO creates enclaves controlled by it in territories that were in the zone of interests of Russia and with a friendly head of state, actually starting a war and this should not bother us, and is the creation of a base on the territory that was part of the USSR and by agreement with the legitimate government a threat to NATO? Original.
  • Professor
    Professor 28 May 2016 17: 10
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    For example:

    I read them in the original:
    http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/policy-budget/warfare/2015/08/02/us-arm
    y-ukraine-russia-electronic-warfare / 30913397 /
    Russia “does indeed possess a growing EW capability, and the political and military leadership understand the importance” of such warfare.
    "Ukarinskie telephones drowned out ..." They tried to drown out the GPS drones of observers ...

    Quote: Dart2027
    We were not afraid when the "Russian enemies" policy began. Now they themselves are not happy, but nothing can be changed. So they are afraid to expand Novorossiya even more.

    Doesn't fit. None of the "militias" will prevent the closure of the unprofitable Russian Drama Theater, but "Bandera's members also finance it. request Where is the massacre, cap?

    Quote: Dart2027
    Is the military threat from Russia when the Georgian army invades South Ossetia and kills the Russian peacekeepers?

    South Ossetia is the territory of Georgia. Sovereign territory. The Russian military never possess the mandate of peacekeepers ...

    Quote: Dart2027
    Or when in Kiev there is an armed seizure of power by people who call for the destruction of Russia?

    Well? Do the marginals call for anything? The official leaders of the Islamic state of Iran are calling for erasing us from the world map. Do we now need to drop a thermonuclear charge on them?

    By the way, in Kiev there was no armed seizure of power. the president fled and power passed to an absolutely legitimate parliament. fellow

    Quote: Dart2027
    At the same time, they cannot clearly say anything specific.

    They have already said: "This is not our business and does not concern Moscow." Much clearer?

    Quote: Dart2027
    NATO creates enclaves controlled by it in territories that were in the zone of interests of Russia and with a friendly head of state, actually starting a war and this should not bother us, and is the creation of a base on the territory that was part of the USSR and by agreement with the legitimate government a threat to NATO? Original.

    Russia has deployed its base 9 km from the borders of NATO, and now is surprised that NATO is moving east. Where is the logic cap?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 28 May 2016 21: 27
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    I read them in the original:
    Followed your link:
    The US, Buckhout said, lacks a significant electronic attack capability.
    "We have great signals intelligence, and we can listen all day long, but we can't shut them down one-tenth to the degree they can us," she said. "We are very unprotected from their attacks on our network."
    Machine translation:
    According to Bakhut, the US Armed Forces do not have any serious arsenal of electronic weapons.
    “We have excellent electronic intelligence, and we can listen to the enemy 24 hours a day; but their [Russian] ability to suppress our radio communications exceeds our capabilities by an order of magnitude, ”she said. “Against them, our control system is simply defenseless.”
    Quote: Professor
    No "militias" will prevent the closure of the unprofitable Russian Drama Theater
    The militias will interfere with the genocide of the Russians. And about the "unprofitable" is how? The "independents" do not have money for basic necessities, so their financing seems, to put it mildly, dubious.
    Quote: Professor
    By the way in Kiev there was no armed seizure of power
    That is, armed thugs on the Maidan have been seen all over the world? And then who did the president run from?
    Quote: Professor
    They have already said: "This is not our business and does not concern Moscow."
    That is, they said that they found our submarine in their waters and this does not apply to Moscow? Original. In fact, they could not even clearly say what was there at all - a kind of incomprehensible object that either was or wasn’t.
    Quote: Professor
    Where is the logic cap?
    NATO began to move towards the borders of the Russian Federation, crushing the former countries of the airborne forces and the USSR, and then they are surprised when the Russian Federation set up its base to protect one of its allies. Where is the logic cap?
  • Professor
    Professor 29 May 2016 06: 45
    -3
    Quote: Dart2027
    “Against them, our control system is simply defenseless.”

    The parliamentarians were moved and allocated a trillion dollars to cover the gap ... wink

    Quote: Dart2027
    The militias will interfere with the genocide of the Russians. And about the "unprofitable" is how? The "independents" do not have money for basic necessities, so their financing seems, to put it mildly, dubious.

    There are no "volunteers" there (and where do they come from?) And, accordingly, no blood is shed. "Unprofitable" means the money that the theater earns by selling tickets does not cover the costs of the theater and the "Bandera" people finance the Russian Drama Theater despite the difficult economic situation in the country. Breaking the pattern, cap.

    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, armed thugs on the Maidan have been seen all over the world? And then who did the president run from?

    People in tents in the square is this called seizure of power? The President fled from shame for the golden loaves. Even yours do not demand his return, but are negotiating with the newly elected president without questioning for a second his legitimacy. fellow

    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, they said that they found our submarine in their waters and this does not apply to Moscow?

    Their membership in any organization does not apply to Moscow and they are not obliged to explain anything to anyone.

    Quote: Dart2027
    NATO began to move towards the borders of the Russian Federation, crushing the former countries of the airborne forces and the USSR, and then they are surprised when the Russian Federation set up its base to protect one of its allies. Where is the logic cap?

    Money for fish again? In 1995, Russia deployed a military base 9 km from the NATO borders. Four years later, in 1999, NATO moved east. Attention question: who violated the status quo?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 29 May 2016 07: 15
    -2
    Quote: Professor
    Parliamentarians were moved and allocated a trillion dollars to cover the gap
    That is, see the fact of lag. You no longer dispute?
    Quote: Professor
    There are no "militias" there (and where do they come from?) And accordingly
    Bendera are very afraid that they will appear there, and therefore do not anger the Russians.
    Quote: Professor
    "Unprofitable" means the money the theater earns by selling
    Is there evidence that it is unprofitable and sponsored?
    Quote: Professor
    People in tents in the square is this called seizure of power?
    That is, armed thugs on the Maidan have been seen all over the world?
    Quote: Professor
    Their membership in any organization does not apply to Moscow
    This is not about membership, but about the Russian submarine allegedly violating their territorial waters. Is there evidence?
    Quote: Professor
    they don’t have to explain anything to anyone.
    Like Russia, about where to target missile systems from its territory, and what bases it should build in the Arctic.
    Quote: Professor
    Money for fish again? In 1995, Russia deployed a military base 9 km from the NATO borders. Four years later, in 1999, NATO moved east. Attention question: who violated the status quo?
    money for fish? NATO in the early 90s destroyed one of the former states of the Airborne Forces. A few years later, in 1995, Russia deployed a military base 9 km from the NATO borders to prevent the invasion of the allied state of Armenia. Attention question: who violated the status quo?
  • Professor
    Professor 29 May 2016 07: 37
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, see the fact of lag. You no longer dispute?

    I did not see the fact. Crying and snot, no fact. Can you bring the facts? wink

    Quote: Dart2027
    Bendera are very afraid that they will appear there, and therefore do not anger the Russians.

    Weak theory.

    Quote: Dart2027
    Is there evidence that it is unprofitable and sponsored?

    Seriously? The regional tetra reached self-sufficiency and suddenly began to make a profit? You so troll or want me to delve into the budget of the Nikolaev region. administration? wink

    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, armed thugs on the Maidan have been seen all over the world?

    I saw them myself. So what? They seized power? In my opinion, they just dirtied the whole center of Kiev.

    Quote: Dart2027
    This is not about membership, but about the Russian submarine allegedly violating their territorial waters. Is there evidence?

    Last time. Swedes do not need to provide any evidence. They drew conclusions and went to NATO. I can only assure you of one thing: after their entry into NATO, unidentified submarines will cease to appear in their territorial waters.

    Quote: Dart2027
    Like Russia, about where to target missile systems from its territory, and what bases it should build in the Arctic.

    100%. Therefore, stop smearing snot on the cheeks about the "expansion of NATO to the East."

    Quote: Dart2027
    money for fish? NATO in the early 90s destroyed one of the former states of the Airborne Forces. A few years later, in 1995, Russia deployed a military base 9 km from the NATO borders to prevent the invasion of the allied state of Armenia. Attention question: who violated the status quo?

    WHAT? Is Yugoslavia a former VD country? Sure? lol
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 29 May 2016 13: 24
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Swedes do not need to provide any evidence. They drew conclusions and went to NATO.

    Iron argument. I won’t be surprised that American boats are snooping around there.
  • Professor
    Professor 29 May 2016 13: 29
    +1
    Quote: Pilat2009
    Iron argument. I won’t be surprised that American boats are snooping around there.

    Then the Swedes need to be in the CSTO.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 29 May 2016 14: 21
    0
    Quote: Professor
    I did not see the fact. Crying and snot, no fact. Can you bring the facts?
    Statement by NATO officers are not facts? You asked them.
    Quote: Professor
    You so troll or want me to delve into the budget of the Nikolaev region. administration?
    Dig around. And at the same time, explain where this sponsorship comes from, if the "independents" do not have money for the essentials.
    Quote: Professor
    I saw them myself. So what? They seized power?
    And then who? Enlighten.
    Quote: Professor
    Swedes do not need to provide any evidence.
    If tomorrow Israel is accused of being its submarine, will you say the same?
    Quote: Professor
    after their entry into NATO, unidentified submarines will cease to appear in their territorial waters.
    Given the fact that they did not appear there, who needs them without NATO, this is logical. It's just that there really will be our submarines, which they are unlikely to find.
    Quote: Professor
    WHAT? Is Yugoslavia a former VD country?
    Yes described. Yugoslavia was a union state with a friendly head (Milosevic). But this does not change the fact that it was NATO that started the aggression.
    Quote: Professor
    Therefore, stop smearing snot on the cheeks about the "expansion of NATO to the East."
    After NATO vowed not to do this? We did not break any promises, unlike the United States.
  • Professor
    Professor 29 May 2016 14: 50
    0
    Quote: Dart2027
    Statement by NATO officers are not facts? You asked them.

    I asked them to discuss, but it turned out there was nothing to discuss. Continuous PR.

    Quote: Dart2027
    Dig around. And at the same time, explain where this sponsorship comes from, if the "independents" do not have money for the essentials.

    Dug around. The scene was repaired by the sponsorship of Alumina. There weren’t even ours to repair the floor, but ... the theater is acting and Bendery’s government pays a salary to the actors of the Russian Drama Theater. Gap template, cap. fellow

    Quote: Dart2027
    And then who? Enlighten.

    None. Power passed to the legitimately elected parliament.

    Quote: Dart2027
    If tomorrow Israel is accused of being its submarine, will you say the same?

    Sure. Israel is accused every day of all mortal sins. And when, say, Egypt and Saudia begin to "make friends at home", this does not concern us, since it is their sovereign right. Just as it is not our business to place Russia in Syria or not.

    Quote: Dart2027
    Given the fact that they did not appear there, who needs them without NATO, this is logical. It's just that there really will be our submarines, which they are unlikely to find.

    Whether they appeared or not, the Swedes know better. They (the Swedes) maintained neutrality during the Cold War, but now they have gone to NATO. Looks like they know something. And about "not found" - no comment.

    Quote: Dart2027
    Yugoslavia was a union state with a friendly head (Milosevic). But this does not change the fact that it was NATO that started the aggression.

    There was no Yugoslavia union state and NATO’s aggression did not concern Russia. This is the business of NATO and Yugoslavia.

    Quote: Dart2027
    After NATO vowed not to do this? We did not break any promises, unlike the United States.

    Ага.Budapest memorandum

    Russia, if you want, expanded to the West long before NATO expanded to the East. These are the facts. Everything else is justification. hi
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 29 May 2016 21: 25
    0
    Quote: Professor
    I asked them to discuss, but it turned out there was nothing to discuss. Solid PR
    That is, under the link that you yourself brought, there is nothing worthy of attention? That is, you just have nothing to say.
    Quote: Professor
    but ... the theater operates and Bendery’s government pays a salary to the actors of the Russian Drama Theater
    I never saw the source that it was unprofitable.
    Quote: Professor
    None. Power passed to the legitimately elected parliament.
    I ask again - armed thugs on the Maidan have been seen all over the world? Including threatening members of parliament?
    Quote: Professor
    Israel every day accused of all mortal sins
    And is Israel happy to admit them on the first charge?
    Quote: Professor
    They appeared or not the Swedes know better.
    So what evidence of the violation of its territorial waters has Sweden provided?
    Quote: Professor
    Yugoslavia was not any union state
    Truth? That is, Milosevic was a pro-American politician?
    Quote: Professor
    This is the business of NATO and Yugoslavia.
    That is, the fact that NATO has created on the site of Yugoslavia several "states" controlled by it, do you arbitrarily deny?
    Quote: Professor
    Russia, if you want, expanded to the West long before NATO expanded to the East.
    Where and when? Facts, not excuses.
  • Professor
    Professor 30 May 2016 08: 00
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, under the link that you yourself brought, there is nothing worthy of attention? That is, you just have nothing to say.

    Exactly. Continuous PR, no facts and equipment. There is nothing to discuss.

    Quote: Dart2027
    I never saw the source that it was unprofitable.

    Thickly troll.
    http://nikolaev-city.net/10142/obladatelem-granta-stal-russkiy-dramaticheskiy-te
    atr-i-poluchil-finansirovanie-na-remont-sceny

    Quote: Dart2027
    I ask again - armed thugs on the Maidan have been seen all over the world? Including threatening members of parliament?

    I answer for those who are in the tank. They did not imagine, but they did not seize power.

    Quote: Dart2027
    And is Israel happy to admit them on the first charge?

    Ignores.

    Quote: Dart2027
    So what evidence of the violation of its territorial waters has Sweden provided?

    Again. She doesn’t need to do this. She did not feed the Kremlin trolls and made conclusions turning towards NATO. wink

    Quote: Dart2027
    Truth? That is, Milosevic was a pro-American politician?

    Link to the union agreement in the studio.

    Quote: Dart2027
    That is, the fact that NATO has created on the site of Yugoslavia several "states" controlled by it, do you arbitrarily deny?

    This topic does not apply. Yugoslavia is not a country allied with Russia; there were no Russian troops there; it does not border Russia.

    Quote: Dart2027
    Where and when? Facts, not excuses.

    For the 3rd and last time. Russia placed its military base on the border of (literally) NATO in 1995, violating the status quo, NATO expanded to the East in 1999. Don't like NATO expansion? It was not necessary to expand by ourselves.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 30 May 2016 19: 53
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Exactly. Continuous PR, no facts and equipment. There is nothing to discuss.
    Well, if you don’t have anything to discuss on this link, then there’s nothing - our electronic warfare systems are the best.
    Quote: Professor
    http://nikolaev-city.net/10142/obladatelem-granta-stal-russkiy-dramaticheskiy-te
    atr-i-poluchil-finansirovanie-na-remont-sceny
    Quote:
    As the chief administrator of the programs of the Center for Social Programs of RUSAL in Ukraine Anastasia Evdokimova said
    I give a certificate:
    The operational management of the company's social activities in Russia and Ukraine is carried out by the RUSAL Social Programs Center (CSP), established in 2004. The head office of the CSP is located in Krasnoyarsk, and its representative offices are located in the Republic of Khakassia, Irkutsk, Kemerovo and Sverdlovsk regions, Moscow, as well as in the Nikolaev region (Ukraine).
    http://www.rusal.ru/development/social_investment/centr_social_program/
    Well, where does the Bandera?
    Quote: Professor
    Again. She doesn’t need to do this. She did not feed the Kremlin trolls and made conclusions turning towards NATO.
    Once again - an unsubstantiated charge is not worthy of attention, and if desired, becomes the reason for a lawsuit. There is no evidence, it means the accusations of linden in order to explain to their citizens why their country is serving the United States.
    Quote: Professor
    Link to the union agreement in the studio.
    Link to the pro-American position of Yugoslavia in the studio.
    Quote: Professor
    This topic does not apply.
    The fact that NATO has begun to create puppet "states" approaching our borders refers.
    Quote: Professor
    For the 3rd and last time.
    NATO expanded east in the early 90s, violating the status quo when it bombed Yugoslavia. Russia deployed its military base on the border of (literally) NATO in 1995, preventing possible provocations against friendly Armenia in order to prevent a repeat of the situation
    Quote: Professor
    there were no Russian troops
    Don't like our military bases? It was not necessary to start aggression against sovereign states themselves.
  • Professor
    Professor 30 May 2016 20: 02
    0
    Quote: Dart2027
    Well, if you don’t have anything to discuss on this link, then there’s nothing - our electronic warfare systems are the best.

    Be scared. Better is better. wink

    Quote: Dart2027
    Well, where does the Bandera?

    The theater does not even have money to repair the floor, which it repairs the local alumina plant with headquarters in Russia. The theater is maintained by local authorities, that is, Bandera. They pay for electricity, pay a salary to the staff of the Russian Drama Theater. In a word, Bandera. laughing

    Quote: Dart2027
    Link to the pro-American position of Yugoslavia in the studio.

    You claim that Yugoslavia is a union state, I will cease to feed the link to the contract to the studio otherwise.

    Quote: Dart2027
    NATO expanded east in the early 90s, violating the status quo when it bombed Yugoslavia. Russia deployed its military base on the border of (literally) NATO in 1995, preventing possible provocations against friendly Armenia in order to prevent a repeat of the situation

    Please list the NATO military bases in Yugoslavia in the early 90s. Do not forget to include Pristina in the list.

    Quote: Dart2027
    Don't like our military bases?

    Spit on them at these bases. You scream about the bases raise. They are silent about your bases.
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 01: 04
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Spit on them at these bases. You scream about the bases raise. They are silent about your bases.

    And who was yelling about a base just 9 km from the poor, peace-loving NATO, don’t you remember?
    And who is yelling about "rossiyskoy aggression"?
    By chance, not the same poor, unfortunate NATO members who happily FORGOT their promises about NATO's non-advancement to the east, but as it turned out - "go back while your teeth are intact", whined bitterly - "aggression". Of course, "to promise is not to marry." Only the Russian Federation is not Yugoslavia, you HAVE to either fulfill the promises, or suffer from stomatitis. smile
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 01: 46
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Be scared. Better is better.

    Uncle, professor, use yourselves. You are from a "chosen" nation. It remains only to clarify - for which mission God chose you. How about a "scapegoat"? laughing
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 31 May 2016 19: 42
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    Be scared. Better is better
    That is, you still agreed with me.
    Quote: Professor
    The theater is maintained by local authorities, that is, Bandera. They pay
    Well, where does it say that they contain it? Source show?
    Quote: Professor
    You claim that Yugoslavia is a union state, I will cease to feed the link to the contract to the studio otherwise.
    And what are you feeding me?
    Quote: Professor
    Please list the NATO military bases in Yugoslavia in the early 90s.
    Governments that came to power as a result of NATO intervention.
    Quote: Professor
    Spit on them at these bases. You scream about the bases raise. They are silent about your bases.
    So these are not representatives of NATO constantly outraged by the increasing combat capability of the RF Armed Forces?
  • Professor
    Professor 31 May 2016 19: 45
    0
    I'm waiting for the links otherwise I will not feed. hi
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 1 June 2016 19: 31
    0
    Quote: Professor
    I'm waiting for the links otherwise I will not feed.

    Already forgotten? Ok, recall
    Quote: Dart2027
    Followed your link:
    The US, Buckhout said, lacks a significant electronic attack capability.
    "We have great signals intelligence, and we can listen all day long, but we can't shut them down one-tenth to the degree they can us," she said. "We are very unprotected from their attacks on our network."
    Machine translation:
    According to Bakhut, the US Armed Forces do not have any serious arsenal of electronic weapons.
    “We have excellent electronic intelligence, and we can listen to the enemy 24 hours a day; but their [Russian] ability to suppress our radio communications exceeds our capabilities by an order of magnitude, ”she said. “Against them, our control system is simply defenseless.”

    What to do - our EWs are the best.
  • Professor
    Professor 2 June 2016 07: 20
    0
    Quote: Professor
    You claim that Yugoslavia is a union state, I’ll stop feeding the link to the contract to the studio otherwise
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 2 June 2016 19: 00
    0
    Quote: Professor
    You claim that Yugoslavia is a union state

    Quote: Dart2027
    Truth? That is, Milosevic was a pro-American politician?

    Russians! I now appeal to all Russians; the inhabitants of Ukraine and Belarus in the Balkans are also considered Russians. Look at us and remember - they will do the same to you when you disconnect and give slack. West - a rabid chain dog clings to your throat.
    http://www.kramola.info/vesti/metody-genocida/poslednee-obrawenie-slobodana-milo
    shevicha-k-slavjanam
    However, you do not argue about electronic warfare, as well as about Bandera in Kiev. Already good.
    Quote: Dart2027
    And how many Israeli military advisers were in Georgia on the eve of the attack on South Ossetia?

    That's interesting.
  • Professor
    Professor 2 June 2016 20: 16
    0
    You claim that Yugoslavia is a union state, reference to the contract I’ll stop feeding the studio otherwise. But was there a treaty, and why then did Russia not fulfill it when Yugoslavia was torn to pieces?
    Do not answer, everything is clear with you. Either Yugoslavia was a member of the Warsaw Pact, then a union state. All the best to you. hi
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 2 June 2016 20: 57
    0
    Quote: Professor
    But was there a treaty and why then Russia did not fulfill it when Yugoslavia was torn to pieces?

    Yeltsin and the seven-bankers.
    Quote: Professor
    Do not answer, everything is clear with you.

    Well, it’s you who are blocking out the bandits.
    Quote: Dart2027
    http://www.kramola.info/vesti/metody-genocida/poslednee-obrawenie-slobodana-milo

    shevicha-k-slavjanam
    However, you do not argue about electronic warfare, as well as about Bandera in Kiev. Already good.

    So what about Georgia?
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 00: 55
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Of course. Every day Israel is accused of all mortal sins.

    I would very much like to hear an explanation of two facts:
    1. According to the OFFICIAL religion of Israel - "all who are not Jews are worse than cattle." To quote your Talmud?
    2. By a "strange" coincidence, in the 20th century, as soon as the price of oil rose, the state of the "God's chosen" arranged a storm.
    By the way, who was there FIRST to climb into Jerusalem with weapons and shouting "this is only our shrine"? Do you remember, professor?
  • Kaiten
    Kaiten 2 June 2016 21: 16
    0
    Quote: SergeBS
    1. According to the OFFICIAL religion of Israel - "all who are not Jews are worse than cattle"

    Oh yeah you don’t listen to them, you are better than cattle
    Quote: SergeBS
    Talmud your quote?

    Quote sweet man, quote. Provided that the Talmud has not yet been translated into Russian, let's look at your Aramaic (did you hear about such a language?)
    Quote: SergeBS
    who is there FIRST climbed into Jerusalem with weapons and shouting "this is only our shrine"?

    King David 3000 years ago and climbed and named this city in Hebrew - Jerusalem, the city of peace.
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 00: 13
    0
    Quote: Professor
    In 1995, Russia deployed a military base 9 km from the NATO borders.

    1. Proof in the studio
    2. What border are we talking about? About the one in which NATO was BEFORE 1991, or AFTER?
    Hint: if someone (e.g. NATO wink ) moves the border AFTER the commitment of someone (e.g. NATO wink ), do not move the border, then this someone (for example, NATO wink ) has the full right to REMEMBER his obligations and return BACK to his FOREIGN borders, which he undertook not to violate.
    ALL bases near the borders of NATO will instantly disappear. laughing
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  • Parsec
    Parsec 28 May 2016 22: 48
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    South Ossetia is the territory of Georgia. Sovereign territory. The Russian military never possess the mandate of peacekeepers ...


    Again you're lying.

    Dagomys Agreements (“Agreement on the Principles for the Peaceful Settlement of the Georgian-Ossetian Conflict”) is a document signed in Sochi (Russia) on June 24, 1992 by the Russian president Boris Yeltsin and the chairman of the Georgian parliament, the head of Georgia, Eduard Shevardnadze.

    The main provisions of the Agreement:

    the warring parties pledged to cease fire and withdraw their armed formations from the contact zone;
    ...
    a Joint Control Commission (JCC) was created consisting of representatives of Georgia, South Ossetia, Russia and North Ossetia, which was to control the ceasefire, the withdrawal of armed forces, the dissolution of the self-defense forces and the security regime in the contact zone;

    The Joint Control Commission was attached to a group of military observers and Peacekeeping Mixed Force;
    the parties pledged to immediately begin negotiations on the economic reconstruction of the region and the creation of conditions for the return of refugees. The application of blockades and economic sanctions was declared unacceptable.

    http://archive.mid.ru//BRP_4.NSF/0/2bd92ad3afa09703c3256ea90022457f?OpenDocument

    P O L O ZH E N I E
    On the basic principles of the activity of military contingents and groups of military observers designed to normalize the situation in the zone of the Georgian-Ossetian conflict
    ...
    Article 4. Military contingents and military observers in the conflict zone have the right:
    - deploy military units (patrols, patrols, observation posts, ambushes, etc.), block traffic on the roads (set up barriers), and, by decision of the joint military command, move across any part of the terrain without harming residential buildings, gardens, crops, roads and other facilities;
    - to prosecute, detain, and in the event of armed resistance, destroy armed gangs, groups and persons who do not comply with and who obey the requirements of the state of emergency in the zone. The pursuit and conduct of hostilities with criminal elements outside the conflict zone is carried out with mandatory notification of local and law enforcement agencies.
    - to conduct military operations with weapons available at the armament of motorized rifle units in accordance with the order of the Joint Military Command;
    - check citizens' identification documents for the right of entry, exit, movement, as well as to inspect people, goods and vehicles;
    - to detain citizens who violate the established rules of the state of emergency, with subsequent transfer to law enforcement agencies on the basis of applicable law.
  • Professor
    Professor 29 May 2016 06: 47
    -6
    Quote: Parsec
    Again you're lying.

    Learn materiel, young man. It's not about 1992, but 2008. 8.8.8 the Russian military in Georgia did not have any peacekeeping mandate. fellow
  • Parsec
    Parsec 29 May 2016 10: 19
    0
    Hold the tone, Einstein you're shaking.

    Talk about war avoiding ambiguity. Your "never" is good for describing student drinking, but not events of this magnitude.
  • Professor
    Professor 29 May 2016 10: 26
    0
    I thought you would show me their mandate, and you went over to the person. wink
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 29 May 2016 21: 32
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    Quote: Professor
    8.8.8 the Russian military in Georgia did not have any peacekeeping mandate

    Source show?
  • Professor
    Professor 30 May 2016 08: 01
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    Quote: Dart2027
    Source show?

    Source what NOT possessed? fool
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 30 May 2016 19: 37
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    Quote: Professor
    Source that did not possess?

    Of course. Our peacekeepers have been there for many years and I did not understand why they stopped being them?
  • Professor
    Professor 30 May 2016 19: 42
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    Quote: Dart2027
    Of course. Our peacekeepers have been there for many years and I did not understand why they stopped being them?

    They did not receive a life mandate. And 8.8.8 they did not have a peacekeeping mandate. Or didn’t you know?

    So, show us their mandate valid at 8.8.8.
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 04: 59
    -1
    Show me which has expired?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 31 May 2016 19: 43
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    Quote: Professor
    And 8.8.8 they did not have a peacekeeping mandate. Or didn’t you know?

    No, show me where it is said. By the way, what was the mandate of the invading Georgian forces?
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 04: 30
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    Quote: Professor
    Source that did not possess? fool

    You, uncle professor, A long time ago are not in Odessa, where they answer a question with a question.
    And therefore squeal further about the "intimate secrets" that someone, but not you, will SUDDENLY look for.
    Chatting - not carrying bags. Is it clear now?
    Especially considering the many cries of "and here it is, prove it wrong."
    "Professor" vyaknul - he and "for the market" to answer.
    I am not at all interested in shoveling the Internet for half a year in order to show that the "professor" has once again been written and written about. According to the principle - "PROVE that I am not lying." Prove yourself that you are not lying. Proofs for the studio. smile
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 01: 57
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    Quote: Professor
    the Russian military in Georgia did not have any peacekeeping mandate.

    How interesting. Only again - I congratulate you, you lied. There was a mandate. Unlike the crowd of "advisers" surrounded by Mishiko, who, as a result, ate his tie without ketchup.
    Uncle professor, NOW - not then. Goebbels's recipe - doesn't work.
    Then there was no Internet. Surprise! laughing
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 May 2016 02: 03
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    Quote: SergeBS
    Quote: Professor
    Russian military in Georgia did not have any peacekeeping mandate.

    ... there was a mandate ...

    - words highlighted in red look
    - Think, you can get into Google
    - and answer again - was there a mandate

    There was no such mandate on the territory of Georgia (where our troops somehow accidentally turned up). And it could not be. Therefore, by the way, they were taken out of there, and did not go to the residence of Sakoshvili to storm request

    Sergey, Sergey .. and also a programmer .. more thoroughly, more thoroughly .. yes
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 02: 21
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    Well, a little wrong. Well, ours was not in the territory of Georgia.
    If they were, the Georgians would have been BETTER. Dreaming is not harmful.
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 May 2016 02: 24
    +1
    Quote: SergeBS
    Well, a little wrong. Well, ours was not in the territory of Georgia.
    If they were, the Georgians would have been BETTER. Dreaming is not harmful

    Mdya ... You answered the wrong question, IMHO, which is symptomatic ..

    However, not my sadness wink
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 02: 59
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    Quote: Cat Man Null
    You answered the wrong question, IMHO, which is symptomatic ..

    So I'm a programmer. A question the answer. wink
    I can throw a joke about S. Holmes in a balloon and a programmer. wink
    And here - if you consider the territory of Ossetia Georgia - this is one thing, but if you do not consider it - another.
    I managed to prevent the SLAUGHTER - the main thing. IMHO.
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 00: 25
    0
    Quote: Professor
    None of the "militias" will prevent the closure of the unprofitable Russian Drama Theater, but "Bandera's members also finance it.

    And sho? Discovered America. During the Second World War, there was a "exemplary" POW camp (true, American, funny, right? wink ). But then, BY FACT, Treblinka, Buchenwald and Salaspils "surfaced". am
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 00: 37
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    Quote: Professor
    South Ossetia is the territory of Georgia. Sovereign territory. The Russian military never possess the mandate of peacekeepers ...

    But sho, US GI - have such a mandate? NO? So what did they do there, at 10000 miles from Fashington?
  • xtur
    xtur 28 May 2016 14: 04
    +3
    > They do not believe Moscow. Why is it strange?

    Because any European leader, with the exception of England, ultimately received either Cossack parades in his capital, or flew forever from the major league of world politics.

    Here is a partial list of inadequate:

    -Poland
    -Sweden
    -France
    -Germany

    А phantom pains they are - while you live, they are always with you.
  • xtur
    xtur 29 May 2016 13: 05
    +1
    > Because any leader in Europe, excluding England,

    In this phrase, I forgot to add the last part, and it turned out, though understandably, but a little ambiguously.

    in fact, I wanted to say that any European leader who wants to actively teach Russians how to live should respond received a truncation of the opportunity to teach - they cut off the teacher
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 02: 09
    -1
    Well, what did you list? In this geography is not very good. I would say bluntly: "We are signing the surrender not at home, but in the REGULAR capital of all Europe." Schoolchildren in the USA - at least somehow, but in the know about Europe.
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 29 May 2016 08: 25
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    Quote: Professor
    Here's the catch. There are no "volunteers" in Nikolaev and blood is not shed there. Moreover, the Russian Drama Theater is working, there are Russian schools, but no blood is shed. Where is the massacre, cap?

    Maybe we’ll start to say a little differently: the Ukrainian authorities desperately needed a small victorious war and they chose a military path instead of a political one. In addition, if Donbass hadn’t been there, the people would have switched to internal problems long ago. By the way, if there was no massacre in Nikolaev, then in Odessa
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 00: 31
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    Quote: Professor
    It has the right, but only within the framework of its obligations. However, I did not know that Armenia and Syria are Russian territory.

    And sho? NATO did not commit not to expand east, and then did not violate its obligation?
    Don't make me so funny, "professor", I'll burst.
    No need to be like a hot gopnik. The term will be shorter, the article is "easier". wink
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 02: 20
    -1
    Then, with the dissolution of NATO ATS, a little later, too, should have dissolved itself. This was in the agreements.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 28 May 2016 10: 25
    +2
    Quote: Professor
    Either Harbin jammed Cook, then AvtoBaza planted a drone, but in fact, both fake

    Well, evidence that there is no fake either. Just about NATO generals started talking about our electronic warfare - who should know this by job.
    Quote: Professor
    The chronology is as follows.

    About Yugoslavia, I wrote above.
    Quote: Professor
    As their prime minister said, no one asked the opinion of Moscow

    That is, they know about our submarines, then what they do not know in Moscow?
    Quote: Professor
    In Nikolaev, I did not see something of a massacre, despite the absence of "volunteers"

    Or maybe because the militias are just afraid. Suddenly a rebellion breaks out and they come to the rescue.
    Quote: Professor
    He wants to strengthen, and Russia strengthens.

    But I had to wait until the NATO countries grab themselves everything, and only after that do something?
    Quote: Professor
    I asked the "Palestinians"

    Well, what is their opinion?
    Quote: Professor
    Back to the "efficiency" of electronic warfare?

    So you yourself started talking about the "threat", so I answer
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 01: 25
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    The chronology is as follows. Russia has deployed a base on the border of NATO. Then followed the deployment of NATO bases.

    Well, it’s absolutely NOT NECESSARY to lie ...
    First, NATO moved the border to the east (she is the master of her word: she wanted - she promised, she wanted - she took it back.). And SUDDENLY it turned out - about the "moved" borders BASE! Oh trouble!
    So push your borders back to where you PROMISED to stay. Business something. smile
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 May 2016 01: 54
    +2
    Quote: SergeBS
    Quote: Professor
    The chronology is as follows. Russia has deployed a base on the border of NATO. Then followed the deployment of NATO bases.

    Well, it’s absolutely NOT NECESSARY to lie ...
    First, NATO moved the border to the east (she is the master of her word: she wanted - she promised, she wanted - she took it back.). And SUDDENLY it turned out - about the "moved" borders BASE! Oh trouble!
    So push your borders back to where you PROMISED to stay. Business something. smile

    As a person who undoubtedly knows a lot, please answer:

    - is there any legally binding document signed by NATO on the one hand, and the Russian Federation on the other, obliging NATO "not to expand eastward"?
    - please do not offer verbal promises to Judas-Gorbi and Alkonav-EBN-u

    Thank you yes
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 02: 25
    -2
    You are welcome. Maybe the contract on the sale of Alaska (for 99 years) to the heap is still strangely lost at all? Well, in Russia it’s clear - the revolution was ...
    Documents were signed on the self-dissolution of NATO, and not on its promotion somewhere.
    All legal documents are binding.
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 May 2016 02: 29
    +1
    Quote: Papandopulo
    Documents were signed on the self-dissolution of NATO, and not on its promotion somewhere

    - yah? belay
    - But in more detail, and with reference to the source, which thread is worthy - mona? wink

    Quote: Papandopulo
    All legal documents are binding

    - What are you saying now? The question was not posed so, re-read if you do not take my word for it ..

    Quote: Papandopulo
    Please

    - thanks .. good
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 02: 36
    -3
    Well, yes - the United States for the first time chtoli forget about, and violate the contract or withdraw from them?
    You can google yourself on this account ...

    It was immediately clear to those who fought in the Great Patriotic War that they would not withdraw their troops from Germany — would Germans leave the Germans after two world wars in the nuclear era without occupation forces?

    In fact, Germany was admitted to NATO back in March 1945 when American troops were advancing there without a fight.
    Another thing is how to call these occupation forces.

    Also, Japan in ASEAN when the US Marine Corps began to unload there a week before the formal circus with the signing of the total surrender on the ship. This means that before the Americans Japan surrendered even earlier - the troops needed to get together, and swim, and then gle to accommodate ... All this came about in violation of the Potsdam Declaration (as with the Yalta Germans in Switzerland) for more than a week.
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 May 2016 02: 45
    +1
    Quote: Papandopulo
    Well, yes - the United States for the first time chtoli forget about, and violate the contract or withdraw from them?
    You can google yourself on this account ...

    It was immediately clear to those who fought in the Great Patriotic War that they would not withdraw their troops from Germany — would Germans leave the Germans after two world wars in the nuclear era without occupation forces?

    In fact, Germany was admitted to NATO back in March 1945 when American troops were advancing there without a fight.

    Also, Japan in ASEAN when the American porsche infantry began to unload there a week before the formal circus with the signing of the total surrender on the ship

    I repeat the question:

    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Quote: Papandopulo
    NATO self-dismissal documents signedrather than promoting it somewhere

    - yah? belay
    - but in more detail, and with reference to source of a decent thread - mona? wink

    Try to answer .. um .. clearly yes
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 03: 00
    0
    You have already clearly written the answer to it. There are agreements between the SGA and the USSR, and NATO and the ATS on the mutual dissolution of these blocks. In a written form. Look for links to this fact yourself.
    Try to understand it ...

    A reference to the Potsdam Declaration which Japan "accepted", but the United States accepted their separate surrender violatedneed it too?

    Is your minus?
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 May 2016 03: 12
    +1
    Quote: Papandopulo
    You have already clearly written the answer to it. There are agreements between the SGA and the USSR, and NATO and the ATS on the mutual dissolution of these blocks. In a written form

    - yah? belay

    Quote: Papandopulo
    A reference to the Poddam Declaration that Japan "accepted" but the United States, by accepting their separate surrender, is also needed?

    - no, because it’s irrelevant

    Quote: Papandopulo
    Look for links to this fact yourself.

    - but this is rudeness, actually
    - searched. There is no such "fact". You, hike, yourself .. invented
    - respectively, and application documentsobliging NATO "not to expand", I do not have it either..

    Quote: Papandopulo
    Is your minus?

    - naturally .. both are mine yes
    - general rule: if something is said, be responsible for the words ..
    - and you spin for some reason, like a tap with a torn thread laughing

    Voooot ... request

  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 03: 19
    -2
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Something like request

    And where was he looking? Then walk the emergency, boors and near-Israeli hutsp trolls I do not feed.
    The Potsdam Declaration is relevant - the UN was created on its basis and this is the main document on the post-war world order, which the United States, having barely accepted, also violated ...
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 May 2016 03: 36
    +3
    Quote: Papandopulo
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    Something like request

    And where was he looking? Then walk the emergency, boors and near-Israeli hutsp trolls I do not feed.
    The Potsdam Declaration is relevant - the UN was created on its basis and this is the main document on the post-war world order, which the United States, having barely accepted, also violated ...

    Eh ... Broke, bucket broke (s)

    And such interesting things told ... what

    Dad, pancake, ndopulo ... laughing
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  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 03: 36
    -2
    Nobody promised you anything - in response to an attempt to drive it was suggested to search for yourself.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 31 May 2016 04: 11
    +5
    Quote: Papandopulo
    Nobody promised you anything - in response to an attempt to drive it was suggested to search for yourself.

    If you sent a cat to the emergency, then why answer? He does not see you. laughing But it’s also very interesting for me where to look for documents. negative
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 04: 35
    -2
    In Google, Yandex, other search engines, libraries, repositories where these acts are stored.

    Then what does he answer me, and so that he doesn’t put cons.
    Here he first asked some about one thing, then I asked about the other ... He is not interested in looking, he is interested in questioning this fact.

    Documents on the dissolution of the ATS were signed in the presence of NATO representatives, there was a clause on the subsequent dissolution of this block with the replacement of another European security mechanism, from 6 months to 2 years. Then wagging began that there was no ATS — to whom these points should be observed, like other agreements, and then the USSR did not, and Russia was a generous soul ...
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 31 May 2016 04: 51
    +5
    I repeat to you once again that if you shoved Manula the cat in an emergency, then he will not see you anymore, and now he will not deliver the minus. I’ll ask you to provide a reference. fellow
    Quote: Papandopulo
    Then what does he answer me, and so that he doesn’t put cons.
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 May 2016 04: 59
    +2
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    I repeat to you once again that if you shoved Manula the cat in an emergency, then he will not see you anymore, and now he will not deliver the minus. I’ll ask you to provide a reference. fellow
    Quote: Papandopulo
    Then what does he answer me, and so that he doesn’t put cons.

    There will be no reference from him, because there is none in nature ..

    Quote: Papandopulo
    In Google, Yandex, other search engines, libraries, repositories where these acts are stored

    - this is a lie ..

    Quote: Papandopulo
    Documents on the dissolution of the ATS were signed in the presence of NATO representatives, there was a clause on the subsequent dissolution of this block with the replacement of another European security mechanism, from 6 months to 2 years

    - and this is also a lie request

    And here is how it really was:

    In the process of unification of Germany (1989-1990 somewhere) the leadership of the United States and NATO verbally promised Gorbachev and Shevardnadze that the NATO bloc would not extend its influence further to the east. However, no official statements have been signed. and subsequently this promise was broken


    About how belay
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 05: 59
    -2
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    About HOW belay

    and, without even questioning, but directly denying, a reference to some kind of crap under the spoiler ...

    The unification of Germany is not the dissolution of the ATS.
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 May 2016 06: 12
    0
    ABOUT! The nightingale's voice eruptedyes in pig snout

    Quote: Papandopulo
    a reference to some crap under the spoiler ...

    - But what does the link do not like? There, like, everything is described in detail ..

    Quote: Papandopulo
    Unification of Germany is not the dissolution of the ATS

    - Cap, I categorically welcome you!
    - "the dissolution of the Internal Affairs Directorate", as I understand it, happened upon the fact of the withdrawal of Soviet troops from the countries of the Internal Affairs Directorate (I could be wrong, but this does not matter in the horse-text of the following)
    - no documents on "NATO's eastward nonproliferation" wherein never in history signed

    Sapienti sat yes
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 May 2016 06: 45
    +2
    Quote: Papandopulo
    No one would just go to the ATS for a one-way dissolution, as long as there is something against which the ATS was created

    - I like it "would" laughing
    - Gorbachev went .. because he had a friend Bill and a friend Helmut, the best, and friends decided .. to trust fellow

    Quote: Cat Man Null
    - no documents regarding the "non-proliferation of NATO to the east" have never been signed in history

    Quote: Papandopulo
    here is a link to it ... with a conclusion from the state archive, not a crap quote from a historical site

    - schazz ...
    - Initially, your statement that there are such documents
    - that’s it - give a link to these documents .. I’ll love to love wink
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 06: 33
    -2
    Quote: Cat man null

    - no documents regarding the "non-proliferation of NATO to the east" have ever been signed in history
    ... rudeness ...
    yes in pig snout

    here is a link to it ... with a conclusion from the state archive, not a crap quote from a historical site

    No one would simply go to the ATS for a one-way dissolution, as long as there is something against which the ATS was created.

    Yes, everyone here sees who pisses on slippers and shows everyone the language.
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 06: 51
    -2
    Quote: Papandopulo
    Quote: Cat man null

    - no documents regarding the "non-proliferation of NATO to the east" have never been signed in history

    it's you affirm, here is a normal link from the competent authorities and come on.

    what you like for the architect of perestroika would be simply shot, from the word immediately
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  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 05: 05
    -1
    No need to repeat after me.

    When these documents were signed on-line by the government and the Internet was not there.
    TV and newspapers were already in the news was the same who fought in the Second World War with me discussed these news.

    Or should it also be called into question?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 31 May 2016 05: 19
    +4
    Quote: Papandopulo
    No need to repeat after me.

    Okay, I won’t. laughing
    Quote: Papandopulo
    When these documents were signed on-line by the government and the Internet was not there. The television and the newspapers were already there, in the news, the same people who fought in the Great Patriotic War discussed this news with me. Or should this fact be called into question?

    I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Yeryoma. wassat
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 05: 41
    -1
    But essentially ...
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 04: 47
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    - general rule: if something is said, be responsible for the words ..

    Well, take away the full program of the "professor" who said a lot, but does not answer "for the market" - everything strives to answer the question - to answer with a question. Or are you one gang? So "for groupism" - the term is longer.
  • Cat man null
    Cat man null 31 May 2016 05: 15
    +2
    Quote: SergeBS
    Well, minus the full program of the "professor" who said a lot,
    but "for the market" is not responsible ...

    - the appeal has been accepted to you. You are now being rude to me, unknowingly, apparently
    - Professor at VO for a long time, here he is known and respected by many. You are while no. What difference is it? wink

    Quote: SergeBS
    Or are you one gang?

    - no. I am Russian and live in Russia. Professor, as far as I know - no on both counts laughing

    Quote: SergeBS
    So "for groupism" - the term is longer.

    - Do you have any experience? negative

    Minus (s) - not mine, you are to me .. uninteresting.
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 06: 41
    -2
    Quote: SergeBS
    Or are you one gang?

    doubted it?

    Even NATO, with its expansion into the Baltic States, promised that their troops would never be there, and that this was simply a political defense.

    Now a bunch of hungry trolls will come running and a link to this will be "asked".
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 04: 53
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Evidence of what? Threats? Those who are in turn standing in NATO have enough of this evidence.

    Kk always. "Professor" in his own style. "Everyone knows ..." - this is the main "proof". laughing
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 06: 45
    0
    Everyone stood in line for a Russian gold coin along with Napoleon, there are even more recent examples ...
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 01: 16
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    It’s hard to get me out, but you did it. The face on the table, the best medicine that comes to my mind.

    Take care of your face. Your medicine is not very good.

    Uncle professor, but you did not forget that we are not Arabs?
    It is time.
    And you have not forgotten that YOUR warriors, who received their lieutenant "stars" in OUR schools, have become "a little old"? And YOUR schools - "kindergarten, pants with straps." Because the main thing taught there is to SURVIVE. And there is no war without blood.
    Hint: medicine MAY help if there is a muzzle. And if she is not there? The same case - "with an impudent muzzle - on the table."
    Read, uncle professor your Talmud ATTENTIVELY, there ABOUT THIS - there is also. :)
  • vanavatny
    vanavatny 28 May 2016 10: 37
    +1
    the cap was ripped off by the professor, apparently he devoured the NATO agitation - the topic of the expanding Russian threat and the approach to NATO should be washed down with cold water: I would write further about weapons and not climb into the agitation prop, it would be better to ventilate the brain
    1. SergeBS
      SergeBS 31 May 2016 01: 39
      0
      Quote: vanavate
      the cap tore to the professor

      Everything is MUCH easier. In the days of Goebbels' partaigenosse, a lie repeated 1000 times became true. But THEN ALL media could be controlled. But not now. The professor's manual is outdated.
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 28 May 2016 07: 28
    +8
    Quote: Professor
    In "peacekeepers" operating without mandates

    Are you talking about the United States, which no one has invited to Syria?
    Quote: Professor
    in the deployment of military bases under the noses of NATO

    Are you talking about NATO, which at one time vowed that it would not approach the borders of the Russian Federation?
    Quote: Professor
    You ask Poles or Balts

    Which are destroying NATO bases on our borders?
    Quote: Professor
    You can ask Swedes with Finns

    These are not the Swedes who are constantly looking for our submarines, but can not find?
    Quote: Professor
    Do not ask Ukraine and Georgia. Do not get an adequate answer

    Are you talking about those who were going to cut the population of South Ossetia and New Russia? And you do not want to ask the Palestinians what they think about Israel?
    Quote: Professor
    in the militarization of the Arctic

    For example, Canada, which wants to strengthen its military presence?
    Quote: Professor
    Now generals and lobbyists there will easily knock money out of their parliaments in view of the growing Russian threat

    Evidence that a statement about the effectiveness of our electronic warfare is just a way to knock money out?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 May 2016 07: 39
      +12
      Quote: Dart2027
      Are you talking about the United States, which no one has invited to Syria?

      And about Syria and about Yugoslavia and about Iraq. About the overthrow of governments, about Vietnam, about millions of dead.
      Quote: Dart2027

      Are you talking about those who were going to cut the population of South Ossetia and New Russia?

      About the murdered Georgians of our peacekeepers.
      Israel is not an enemy to me personally, but the Professor became one post.
      1. SergeBS
        SergeBS 31 May 2016 02: 47
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Israel is not an enemy to me personally, but the Professor became one post.

        Do not take to heart. It's like in a joke about a hedgehog: "I'm big and strong, but very light." Inferiority complex. Guess who. wink
        Well, in Russia it is instituted - not to offend the wretched. They are already punished by God.
  • SPACE
    SPACE 28 May 2016 07: 46
    +3
    Quote: Professor

    In "peacekeepers" operating without mandates, in green men, in the deployment of military bases under NATO's nose, in the militarization of the Arctic and further down the list.

    Yeah, with a military budget of 70 lards, this is certainly a threat))) for the whole of progressive Western mankind with a consolidated military budget of the United States and NATO under 1 tyrillen bucks))) What are scary Russians)), do not forget to add that Russia is not a superpower) )) Yes, here it is only for one green man, 10x super-advanced Natoamer warriors are coming. Although such a number of warriors is most likely necessary not so much to protect the Western way of life from the green men, but to accept and protect their hunting grounds.
    1. Professor
      Professor 28 May 2016 07: 55
      -7
      Quote: SPACE
      What are the scary Russians)

      Scary or not, you need to ask those who are afraid and listen to their phobias so as not to make round eyes afterwards in view of their entry into NATO.

      Quote: cyber
      For the purposes of general education, it is possible to clarify more specifically where, without a mandate, Russian peacekeepers have bases under NATO's nose (maybe you mean Russia next to NATO bases)? laughing

      8.8.8

      102-I Russian base in 9 km from NATO country
      Base in Latakia at 50 km from the country of NATO.
      Is there some more.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 28 May 2016 07: 59
        +5
        Quote: Professor
        102-I Russian base in 9 km from NATO country

        After NATO vowed that it would not expand east? This is a NATO country near Russia
        Quote: Professor
        Base in Latakia

        Only to fight terrorism. That is, to protect NATO.
        1. Professor
          Professor 28 May 2016 08: 15
          -4
          Quote: Dart2027
          After NATO vowed that it would not expand east? This is a NATO country near Russia

          1. NATO expanded to the East after Russia deployed its base 9 km from NATO borders.
          2. It can also be said that this is Russia close to NATO. The circle is closed.

          Quote: Dart2027
          Only to fight terrorism. That is, to protect NATO.

          So all NATO exists solely to protect the interests of Russia. Afghanistan is an example of this. Whose interests does NATO defend there? Putin said the Russians. lol
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 28 May 2016 08: 31
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            NATO expanded east after Russia deployed its base 9 km from NATO borders

            Truth? And when was the invasion of Yugoslavia?
            Quote: Professor
            So all NATO exists solely to protect the interests of Russia.

            Correctly. And therefore, the fact that Russia is beginning to restore its military presence outside its territorial borders should not bother anyone. Equally, there is no need to talk about any threat due to the fact that the Strategic Missile Forces are being re-equipped, nuclear submarines are being built, and missile launchers are being deployed in Kaliningrad and the Crimea. And of course, there is no need to worry that our electronic warfare will also be in Syria.
      2. Camel
        Camel 28 May 2016 11: 40
        +4
        102-I Russian base in 9 km from NATO country
        Base in Latakia at 50 km from the country of NATO.
        Is there some more.


        1. 102nd base - under the international treaty Armenia-Russia.
        2. Base in Latakia - at the request of the LEGITIMATE President of Syria Assad and the Syrian government.
        3. There is still - where is it?

        And about the 9 km from the NATO country - when the 102nd was organized, there were no NATO countries nearby. So who gets to the borders?
        1. Professor
          Professor 28 May 2016 12: 01
          -3
          Quote: Camel
          1. 102nd base - under the international treaty Armenia-Russia.
          2. Base in Latakia - at the request of the LEGITIMATE President of Syria Assad and the Syrian government.
          3. There is still - where is it?

          All countries joined NATO by the decisions of their legitimate governments and in accordance with international treaties. What are your complaints?

          Quote: Camel
          And about the 9 km from the NATO country - when the 102nd was organized, there were no NATO countries nearby. So who gets to the borders?

          Seriously? Turkey has joined NATO since 1952, and the 102nd base since 1995. fellow

          PS
          In Moldova, for example.
          1. xtur
            xtur 28 May 2016 14: 13
            +1
            > All countries have joined NATO by decisions of their legitimate governments and in accordance with international treaties. What are your complaints?


            Turkey is a country in which the indigenous genocide was carried out, which is recognized by most countries in Europe, including France, and soon by Germany. The United States, through the mouths of their presidents, before the collapse of the USSR, talked about genocide in Turkey

            In 1918 was the first ever analogue of the Nuremberg trials in Turkey in connection with the genocide. And the victorious countries sentenced the separation of these territories from Turkey as punishment for the genocide.

            So the West has violated its most important principles a million times
          2. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 28 May 2016 15: 15
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            Seriously? Turkey has joined NATO since 1952, and the 102nd base since 1995.
            You are in vain, in my opinion, mentioning the 102nd here .....
            During the acute phase of the Karabakh war, Turkey concentrated a reinforced army grouping on the Armenian border and switched on the "regime" of permanent exercises (which means transfer to full combat readiness). And it supplemented this "weighty argument" with harsh political statements towards the Armenians and demonstrated its readiness to intervene in the war .... The Russian political leadership appreciated this position of Turkey and took a number of military-political measures to create a balance of power in the region. And the permanent exercises were stopped, the army corps were returned to the barracks.
            And during the Chechen war, Turkey actively intervened on the side of the Ichkerians. It treated and trained militants, traffic "everything and everyone", intelligence. It would seem, where is Turkey and where is the rebellious Chechnya? As it turned out, much closer than on the map. Especially, the Chechen diaspora distinguished itself of this friendly state.
            Therefore, in the experience of these armed conflicts, it was decided to consolidate a strong garrison in Armenia on an ongoing basis, to conclude a military alliance for joint defense. To have a power tool in the region to maintain strategic stability.
            Somehow, one can notice that Russia did not attack anyone and the creation of the 102nd was a forced measure, a response to negative events. I do not think it is appropriate to compare this example and call it an irritant. It is not for this reason in Eastern A missile defense system is being created in Europe! I believe that it is the root of all evils. The rest of NATO’s actions are of a secondary nature.
          3. Professor
            Professor 28 May 2016 16: 48
            0
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            You are in vain, in my opinion, mentioning the 102nd here .....

            All have their own reasons for deploying military bases and their own excuses. Nevertheless, the 102nd base at 9 km distance from the NATO country appeared BEFORE NATO spread east.

            Quote: Thunderbolt
            Somehow, it can be noted that Russia did not attack anyone and the creation of the 102nd was a forced measure, a response to negative events.

            Then she did not attack and about the "forced measure" the bourgeois pterdit too.

            Quote: Thunderbolt
            I do not think it is appropriate to compare this example and call it an irritant.

            I do not agree with you. This is just an irritant. This is the sovereign right of Russia and Armenia as well as the law of Poland and Bulgaria.

            Quote: Thunderbolt
            It is not for this reason that an echelon of missile defense is being created in Eastern Europe! I believe that it is the root of all evils.

            This is a separate topic. Once again, it is worth discussing separately in the light of "ingenious" statements how by flashing the software, you can increase the missile range from 500 km to 2400 km. fool
          4. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 28 May 2016 18: 03
            0
            Quote: Professor
            All have their own reasons for deploying military bases and their own excuses.

            I agree, to analyze these reasons and excuses --- it means to plunge into details and not notice the MAIN.
            The main thing, I think, is that after the collapse of the USSR in Eastern Europe. and the former republics a vacuum was formed. Previously, the USSR had its influence there, and then NATO began to fill this space by transferring the buffer young "democracies" to the camp of their allies. On the whole, this is a logical and natural process. And having understood this, one can understand the logic of modern Russia, which not only legally, but also geopolitically became the legal successor of the USSR. And Russia does not intend to endure the loss of its influence on this territory, because it threatens its own security. Therefore, we YES smile --- we apply military measures in this buffer zone. However, this is not done because of our aggressiveness, but for the purposes of SELF-DEFENSE. And the United States (and everyone in its stream lol ) Naturally, these actions seem dangerous and aggressive, because become a barrier to their plans for global dominance.
            The balance and rules of the game established after 1945 have changed. But even in the West, during the fall of the Soviet bloc, there were perspicacious and reasonable people who considered the nomination of America at the expense of the USSR inheritance to be very dangerous.
            So to the details: the beginning of cooperation with the Youngonatists began long before their official entry. And to see how anti-Russian organizations are encouraged in these countries (like "clubs of SS veterans"). I will say more: anti-Sovietism blooms and smells there !!! and we have capitalism. Yes, there are some signs of this. However, if they criticize the USSR, the emphasis is on the economic aspect. But behind the cordon ideas are instilled that Russia should only be looked at through the front sight, because it has imperial ambitions. Call these ambitions what you want, but just watching the "white wind rose" hammer its "pegs" in another former Soviet republic, we will definitely not. This threatens our interests.
            And whoever is a fierce villain or a noble prince in this big game, let everyone decide for himself. He is more visible from his trench.
            "ingenious" statements as a method of software firmware can increase the missile range from 500 km to 2400 km. foolI don’t know about this, I'm sorry, I missed it and I don’t understand what to write about (so much information around). am !!!!! went with the child to the park fellow "Victory Park" it is called ... Ours with you, Oleg, Victory wink )))
          5. Professor
            Professor 28 May 2016 18: 20
            -3
            Quote: Thunderbolt
            Russia, which not only legally but also geopolitically became the legal successor of the USSR.

            It's a delusion. Russia is not the only legal successor to the USSR; there were 15 of them, including Russia.

            Quote: Thunderbolt
            And Russia does not intend to tolerate the loss of its influence in this territory, because it threatens its own security

            Can not be forced.

            Quote: Thunderbolt
            However, this is not done because of our aggressiveness, but for the purposes of SELF-DEFENSE.

            Weak argument. Such excuses were put forward by the main villain of the twentieth century. Self defense.

            Quote: Thunderbolt
            I will say more: anti-Sovietism blossoms and smells there !!!

            And you ask yourself why. Why I am an anti-adviser I will tell later.

            Quote: Thunderbolt
            But behind the cordon, ideas are being inculcated that Russia should be looked at only through the sight of a sight, because it has imperial ambitions.

            Bullshit. There in the West they reduced the army to I can’t. Even the Americans managed to withdraw all of their A-10 and Abramsa attack aircraft. After the latest events, they began to return.

            Quote: Thunderbolt
            About this, not in the know, I'm sorry, I missed what YOU are about.

            Soon it will be on YouTube. Have a good laugh together.

            Quote: Thunderbolt
            Ours, Oleg, Victory

            Good name. Victory Park. Despite victories, we don’t have a single park with that name. There is not a single day of Victory. sad
          6. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 29 May 2016 19: 22
            0
            Quote: Professor
            Despite victories, we don’t have a single park with that name. There is not a single day of Victory.

            So you won’t defeat fascism in any way? Do you have only Holocaust Remembrance Day?
            Well, if you mean the victory over the Arabs, then this is somewhat smaller. It did not fit proud Jews to be proud of victories over the faithful. By the way, we also do not celebrate the victory over Japan, Georgia ...
          7. Professor
            Professor 29 May 2016 19: 45
            +4
            Quote: Pilat2009
            So you won’t defeat fascism in any way? Do you have only Holocaust Remembrance Day?

            There is a monument to the soldiers of the Red Army. There are no victory parks.

            Quote: Pilat2009
            Well, if you mean the victory over the Arabs, then this is somewhat smaller. It did not fit proud Jews to be proud of victories over the faithful. By the way, we also do not celebrate the victory over Japan, Georgia ...

            Those who have lost a son in a war or a father do not care how great the war was. For us, every war is a war for existence. Any lost war will be the last for us. Israel does not celebrate any victories, mourns for the dead.

            PS
          8. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 1 June 2016 23: 17
            0
            Quote: Professor
            celebrates no victories, mourns for the dead.

            but what about purim?
          9. Professor
            Professor 2 June 2016 07: 17
            0
            Quote: Simpsonian
            but what about purim?

            In Purim, I celebrate not victory, but the salvation of the Jewish people from annihilation.
          10. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 5 June 2016 02: 51
            0
            well, it could be you are the only one ... everywhere they write that victory, too
            salvation is so "quiet" and with disdain for opponents do not celebrate
          11. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 5 June 2016 04: 11
            0
            this victory day is clearly not with tears in his eyes

            and unlike the "executions of Egypt" is celebrated in a completely different way
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  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 03: 26
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    It's a delusion. Russia is not the only legal successor to the USSR; there were 15 of them, including Russia.

    Uncle professor, has your mummy never explained to you: "they will not beat on the passport, but on the impudent face"?
    Lie further. Only the Goebbels era is over. Your training manual is outdated, and therefore - take care of your face, helmet.
  • svp67
    svp67 31 May 2016 04: 27
    0
    Quote: Professor
    It's a delusion. Russia is not the only legal successor to the USSR; there were 15 of them, including Russia.
    In your statement the keyword IT WAS... And this "WAS" until the moment they began to pass their laws on sovereignty ...
    Russia declared itself a successor to the USSR, which was recognized by almost all other states. The remaining post-Soviet states (with the exception of the Baltic states) became the successors of the USSR (in particular, the obligations of the USSR under international treaties) and the corresponding union republics. Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia declared themselves the successors of the respective states that existed in 1918-1940, Georgia declared itself the successor of the Republic of Georgia 1918-1921, Moldova is not a successor to the MSSR, since a law was passed in which the decree establishing the MSSR was called illegal [184 ], which is perceived by many as the legal justification of the PMR claims for independence. Azerbaijan declared itself a successor to the ADR, while maintaining some of the agreements and treaties adopted by the Azerbaijan SSR. Within the UN, all 15 states are considered to be the successors of the respective union republics.

    Quote: Professor
    Good name. Victory Park. Despite victories, we don’t have a single park with that name. There is not a single day of Victory.
    Each nation has its own traditions. On May 9, we also have a "Holiday, with tears in our eyes."
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 04: 16
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    All have their own reasons for deploying military bases and their own excuses. Nevertheless, the 102nd base at 9 km distance from the NATO country appeared BEFORE NATO spread east.

    Uh-huh.
    I repeat again:
    Proof in the studio.
    "poor, unfortunate", full of health, but for some reason is still LIVE (this is fixable, I'll show you the shekel - you'll strangle yourself smile ).
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 28 May 2016 12: 50
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    8.8.8


    By mandate
    Quote: Professor
    102-I Russian base in 9 km from NATO country

    1992 year-beginning of existence, the answer to the bases in Turkey, which were built long before time. The extension of 1999, 2009 is the answer to 102, yes. fool
    Quote: Professor
    Base in Latakia at 50 km from the country of NATO.

    Answer for long before built in NATO country.

    PS In Moldova by mandate
    1. Professor
      Professor 28 May 2016 12: 55
      -3
      Quote: Aleksander
      By mandate

      There was no mandate 8.8.8.

      Quote: Aleksander
      1992 is the beginning of existence, a response to the bases in Turkey that were built long before that time. Extension nats 1999, 2009 is the answer to 102, yes.

      It was Russia that changed the status quo by placing its base 9 km from the border of the NATO country. I don’t remember anyone in the Kremlin resenting this fact.

      Quote: Aleksander
      The answer is long before that built in the country of NATO.

      Again, the change of the Staus quo to the decades-old base.
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 03: 45
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    102-I Russian base in 9 km from NATO country
    Base in Latakia at 50 km from the country of NATO.

    Uncle professor, do you have something - if you do not lie, then you can’t have lunch? Does everything endure diarrhea? wink
    NATO will roll back to its former borders - and there are no bases near NATO. The arrogant Khlebalnichik does not need to be chewed on a piece of grub that is too tough.
    As for the base in Latakia - well, don’t make me so funny, uncle professor. I’ll burst.
    Although it is a little clear - where the Russians appeared - there they have a VERY SCARY base. How much does the Pentagon "throw back" you for horror stories? If it is less than $ 1000, then you are "shod" in terms of payment. smile
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  • cyber
    cyber 28 May 2016 07: 47
    +2
    For the purposes of general education, it is possible to clarify more specifically where, without a mandate, Russian peacekeepers have bases under NATO's nose (maybe you mean Russia next to NATO bases)? laughing
  • igorka357
    igorka357 28 May 2016 09: 33
    +7
    The deployment of military bases under NATO's nose ... had fun, thanks to prof ..))))!
    1. 11 black
      11 black 29 May 2016 09: 24
      +1
      Quote: igorka357
      The deployment of military bases under NATO's nose ... had fun, thanks to prof ..))))!

      + To you, but I would add laughing
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  • Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 28 May 2016 10: 19
    +7
    Here it is a pearl, .. Poles, Balts, ukrov, Georgians, ... and other feeding ups of Russia, there would be no states at all. Each of these peoples owes its preservation to Russia. Now all this Kodla cannot forgive Russia its past .... about adequacy ... in history, not Russophobia
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    1. Professor
      Professor 29 May 2016 09: 34
      0
      Quote: 11 black
      Iraq, 2003, an invasion of an entire country without a UN mandate under the pretext of washing powder from a test tube, the USA promised to build democracy in Iraq * - and they built ISIS ...

      Well? If your neighbor is a thief, does it allow you to steal? At least they don't shout that their fighters are "peacekeepers".

      Quote: 11 black
      You wanted to say in Polite People - okay ...

      It is green. I wanted to say what I said. Polite people do not wave arms in the face of an unarmed person.

      Quote: 11 black
      Oh well...

      Yeah, yeah.
      1. SergeBS
        SergeBS 31 May 2016 05: 11
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Well? If your neighbor is a thief, then this allows you to steal?

        Look, I RECOGNIZED myself. Looking at the USA, I decided that it is ALSO possible to steal. smile
  • Samoyed
    Samoyed 30 May 2016 09: 17
    0
    The Baltic responds! The Baltic states were sold into slavery by the EU and the USA. Own politicians, who are fed by EU subsidies. A little off topic, but: under capitalism, democracy is even theoretically impossible. And they lie at the highest level, remember Powell with a test tube!
  • SergeBS
    SergeBS 31 May 2016 00: 01
    0
    Quote: Professor
    in the deployment of military bases under the noses of NATO

    Poor unfortunate NATO. They jumped to OUR borders, purely in the Naglosaksaksovskoy manner, breaking their promises, and suddenly found out - OUR borders have our bases. Naked, like the Yugoslavs-can not take.
    Or maybe these NATO should move back BACK? TO YOUR BOUNDARIES? Keeping YOUR promises? am
    And there will be NO threat to them as a result. Even hypothetical.
  • Papandopulo
    Papandopulo 31 May 2016 05: 38
    -1
    Quote: Professor
    In "peacekeepers" operating without mandates, in green men, in the deployment of military bases under NATO's nose, in the militarization of the Arctic and further down the list. You ask the Poles or the Balts. They will tell you in detail. You can ask the Swedes and the Finns. Do not ask Ukraine and Georgia. You will not get an adequate answer.

    The Baltic states, like the border posts, have now stopped moving towards the walls of the Pskov Kremlin ... The Poles are extremely racist in London because they are openly unhappy, like most other anti-Russian changes.
    Ask the Swedes and the Finns for yourself; now they are not forcing Israelis to blow the pipe of Israelis, unlike Russian citizens.
  • Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 28 May 2016 13: 56
    -2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov

    Is the Russian threat a reality?
    They are not afraid of the "Russian threat". They fear the provision of "international assistance" that they will be "freed from the fascists", "forced to peace" ..
    Or maybe someone else will be impatient to "build cities, hospitals and universities" ..
  • prostorabochiy
    prostorabochiy 28 May 2016 09: 34
    +1
    And what did you write? Do you understand something? A bunch of some kind ... All raked.
  • Beefeater
    Beefeater 28 May 2016 14: 32
    0
    Quote: cyber
    "Those who are glad to be deceived will be deceived" ... information on the blindness of Americans under our "umbrella" was received through what channels? Just chattering in the Western press? Or is there evidence from our intelligence? It's just that this hype about our electronic power in the west was not just a lulling song. laughing Already a sick open West screams its weakness against our systems ... suspiciously

    This is to get loans for your expenses. Russia has, we don’t have. So it’s necessary that we have it, then give us money
  • Garris199
    Garris199 28 May 2016 22: 53
    +1
    Quote: cyber
    "He who is glad to be deceived will be deceived"

    Quote: cyber
    information on the blindness of Americans under our "umbrella" received through what channels?

    "There is no smoke without fire." Although of course you shouldn't throw your hats, the enemy is strong.
  • vv3
    vv3 29 May 2016 13: 27
    0
    If you follow the terminology of the author: what do we have with "Eye". Yes, there are successes with "Umbrella". Unless to follow logic, if we ourselves do not see anything, then let others not see. What is the level of information support in Syria? Why is everyone silent about this moment, which has surfaced in all its glory ... The level of fire spotters on the battlefield is simply impressive ..
  • s.melioxin
    s.melioxin 28 May 2016 06: 25
    +2
    ... today Russia has a great potential for electronic warfare, and the political and military leadership understands the importance of such means of warfare. "Their growing ability to blind and disable digital communication systems can help them (Russians. - A.S.) equalize their forces in the fight against an enemy that surpasses them in strength,"
    It pleases, but does not lull. And, we must pay tribute, they noticed it. We see that our political and military leadership understands the importance. Hurry up. Better and more. When the enemy got scared, he already lost.
  • corporal
    corporal 28 May 2016 06: 32
    +4
    After the words about Khibiny and Donald Cook, I didn’t read further - fake definitely. How can you throw such garbage into the VO. Or began to turn yellow? am
  • Professor
    Professor 28 May 2016 06: 43
    +5
    Russian EW funds confirmed high efficiency and can be considered as an asymmetric weapon for a new generation of wars

    Facts, Zin, facts in the studio.

    With a high degree of probability, we can talk about the use of the Khibiny electronic warfare multifunctional complex, which became widely known after completely crushing reconnaissance and command and control equipment, as well as the Aegis missile defense system of the American destroyer Donald Cook in the Black Sea.

    From whom do I demand facts? Everything is clear here. fool
    1. black
      black 28 May 2016 10: 16
      -1
      I'm from the phone, so I won't quote you. I will not say about the real capabilities of Russian electronic warfare. Once I was present at a conversation between two signalmen, on this topic - I hung up on the third phrase. But in the conditions of operation of electronic warfare means, a "probable" enemy, had to work. Suppression of communications from the 70s of the last century, on a solid C grade. With cellular communication a little better. You can add a plus sign to the C grade. What definitely works well is the bearing of the target. True, the shells landed 50-100 meters from me. Here either the technique let us down, or the artillerymen. I do not know what is the reason, but the means of electronic warfare, the enemy could not work around the clock and had a limited range. This is a question for performance characteristics. So it worked out. Well, the Russian army is no stranger to fighting without communications, roads and supplies.
    2. SergeBS
      SergeBS 31 May 2016 05: 33
      0
      Quote: Professor
      From whom do I demand facts? Everything is clear here.

      The "professor" did not understand that FACTS are facts, and not loud cries of "but I KNOW something else." Scream further, uncle. Only YOUR facts, to begin with, show ...
      Definitely, everything is clear - everyone should take the "professor" at his word, and let the others PROVE that the "professor" lied "a little". laughing
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 31 May 2016 05: 40
        0
        Quote: SergeBS
        Quote: Professor
        From whom do I demand facts? Everything is clear here.

        The "professor" did not understand that FACTS are facts, and not loud cries of "but I KNOW something else." Scream further, uncle. Show only YOUR facts, to begin with ..

        - You, of course, are not up to date, as recently on the resource
        - the story with Khibiny and Cook was instantly tormented once, probably ten already
        - it is proved (and some, including me, think so) that no Khibins are able to do what is attributed to them. Yes and there was no Khibin laughing
        - there are, however, people who still sacredly believe in what they write .. um .. journalists. AND SergeBS, campaign, it is from their number

        What, in fact, is the Professor hinting at there.

        And all yes
  • mervino2007
    mervino2007 28 May 2016 06: 52
    +3
    Talk about our competencies in the field of electronic warfare arose, for an outside observer, as if from scratch. From nothing. Two events are heard - the Amer UAV taken from the sky over the Crimea and the disruption of the work of Aegis in the Black Sea. The system is not traceable, few facts. Perhaps they are, but not lit. We must proceed from the worst - these are one-time mistakes of the enemy. The properties of our electronic warfare systems cannot be opened even on our VO website. It is fraught. We can only assume that these systems have transmit-receive (analysis-impact) elements spaced in space and can programmatically analyze intercepted numerical sequences of signals, taking into account the location of their transmission points and operating time. With the necessary accuracy and speed, determining the type of operating equipment and repeatedly generating variable counter codes to suppress or create an unacceptable interfering effect. I hope this is so.
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    2. cyber
      cyber 28 May 2016 07: 11
      -2
      Even Iran seemed to be planting an American UAV ... according to rumors, they used our "Avtobaza" laughing
    3. Monarchist
      Monarchist 28 May 2016 08: 26
      +2
      I agree, except for the facts you indicated, there are no others, and the screams are not proof. Ishak can also shout. Of course, we have the means of electronic warfare, but otherwise it is impossible: "friends" are eating.
  • Olfred
    Olfred 28 May 2016 06: 56
    +2
    EW troops - fighters of the invisible front smile hi
  • Des10
    Des10 28 May 2016 06: 56
    +2
    In the variety of our electronic warfare systems it is easy to get confused so many of them. There are no confirmed facts of the struggle.
  • Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 28 May 2016 07: 16
    +1
    let's hope that we are at the level of electronic warfare ....... but there are few facts so far .... some cries of the West ... and they need to be trusted with caution ....
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  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 28 May 2016 07: 20
    +3
    Quote: Des10
    There are no confirmed facts of the struggle.

    What kind of "facts" do you want to hear in the conditions of electronic warfare equipment? The technical means work so quietly that no one hears anything.
    1. Des10
      Des10 30 May 2016 08: 06
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      What kind of "facts" do you want to hear in the conditions of electronic warfare equipment? The technical means work so quietly that no one hears anything.

      Hmm. I will answer: - I would like to hear that the communication facilities of the Daishevites do not work - neither radio nor cellular; that their leadership is disorganized. For instance.
      I imagine how the vehicles work.
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  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 28 May 2016 07: 21
    +4
    I remember, I remember, they already wrote about the "bubble" in Syria, then the Su-24 was shot down, then questions into space here on the website about how could it be, there was a bubble ...

    "... NATO allies have become blind and deaf on the ground, in the air and in space - in a bubble with a diameter of about 600 kilometers."
    They also wrote that their missile defense missiles barely fly and that in general they will not catch up with anyone other than Iranian missiles, do not be so gullible, suggestible, do not let yourself be fooled by any nonsense from the box

    "... So, if in the lower ranges there can be 10 working channels, then at 40 GHz there are already hundreds of them."
    And there are 71-76, 81-86 GHz bands, in Israel, by the way, the equipment for these bands is released, the higher the frequency, the narrower the radiation pattern of the antenna (otherwise the dispersion will be strong), therefore, the problem of suppression in areas is greatly increased
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 28 May 2016 07: 38
    +1
    Quote: sa-ag
    And there are 71-76, 81-86 GHz bands, in Israel, by the way, the equipment for these bands is released, the higher the frequency, the narrower the radiation pattern of the antenna (otherwise the dispersion will be strong), therefore, the problem of suppression in areas is greatly increased

    And who told you that our EW Tools (not all, of course) do not see the indicated ranges. The use of certain complexes depends on the tasks and only. As for directional patterns, with the active operation of electronic warfare equipment, this does not absolutely matter.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 28 May 2016 07: 45
      +5
      Quote: avg-mgn
      As for directional patterns, with the active operation of electronic warfare equipment, this does not have absolutely any value.

      You can’t get around the physics of the process, it’s an omnidirectional vibrator in the HF band that they stuck as an antenna, five kilowatts of power and it’ll get worse for hundreds of kilometers in the vicinity, with a millimeter range this solution will not work because of a strong drop in power with distance, especially the channel width there may be a hundred megahertz or more, and if you use a directional antenna, the conditional beam of the radio signal will be 1 degree wide
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 28 May 2016 08: 03
    +1
    Quote: sa-ag
    if you use a directional antenna, the conditional beam of the radio signal will be 1 degrees wide

    You are trying to draw some ideal conditions for radio communication. With the active operation of electronic warfare equipment with powers in kW, your receiver, regardless of the fact that the suppression station is in the "rear" of your antenna, will close by 1 degree due to the presence of a reflected signal, no matter what, and the higher the range, the greater its value. So you are only partly right in terms of intercepting messages. That's when the question of the active mode arises.
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 28 May 2016 08: 11
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      You are trying to draw some ideal conditions for radio communications.

      Well, why ideal, it is now actually used in radio relay communications, over short distances of about 5 kilometers

      Quote: avg-mgn
      You are trying to draw some ideal conditions for radio communications.

      Well, why ideal, it is now actually used in radio relay communications, over short distances of about 5 kilometers

      "... With the active operation of electronic warfare equipment with powers in kW, your receiver, regardless of the fact that the suppression station is in the" rear "of your antenna, by 1 degree will close due to the presence of a reflected signal, it does not matter from what, and the higher the range of the its value is greater. "

      With such a radiation pattern, the antenna has very high selectivity, and filtering an extraneous signal is much easier for it
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 28 May 2016 08: 30
    +1
    Quote: sa-ag
    With such a radiation pattern, the antenna has very high selectivity, and filtering an extraneous signal is much easier for it

    You forget that any receiver will receive a carrier of the useful signal + interference from the EW facility with the level of 100-140db and the carriers will overlap at the receiving point, and as a result, the input stages of the receiver are overloaded and the reception of the useful signal becomes impossible. In addition, there are many more factors from the work of technical equipment.
    Thanks for the comments, now there is no time to continue. Sorry, see you later.
  • Volksib
    Volksib 28 May 2016 09: 22
    -2
    In the Mediterranean Sea, Russia more and more clearly indicates its presence, and it would be foolish to leave Syria completely. I remember posted a comment, but the "experts" minus me
    Volksib  May 6, 2016 08:08 AM | Promising multi-channel multi-channel electronic warfare system from KRET will stump US plans for BSU


    The story with the URO destroyer Donald Cook and our Soviet-made Su-24 with the Khibiny proved the effectiveness of this type of electronic warfare. NATO members like to conduct all sorts of "decisive forces" and "single tridents" near our borders and test these complex electronic warfare equipment on NATO grouping involved in ucheniyah.Tak say turn off the "decisive force"))))). How many crew members have filed a report for dismissal?))). And then a whole group .....))) I exaggerate, of course, but it makes sense. .. "Although the experience of such actions, our army has already worked out and will continue to improve the technology of" blinding "in a possible theater of operations.
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 28 May 2016 09: 27
      +7
      Quote: Volksib
      The story with the URO destroyer Donald Cook and our Soviet-made Su-24 with the Khibiny proved the effectiveness of this type of electronic warfare.

      The Khibiny electronic warfare system has never been installed on Su-24M bombers.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 28 May 2016 09: 48
        +1
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        The Khibiny electronic warfare system has never been installed on Su-24M bombers.

        Not installed No.

        The 1990-2000-e worked out the container case version of the KS-418E with the Khibiny REP model for export Su-24MK, but the matter did not move further than the construction of the models.
        Service and combat use of the Su-24
      2. Volksib
        Volksib 28 May 2016 14: 19
        -1
        Hello Commander of the Russian Air Force, or rather the Aerospace Forces. The Su-24 was with the "Khibiny". For the cons, thanks to the "SPECIALISTS". Soldiers of the couch special forces))))))))))))))
      3. Volksib
        Volksib 8 June 2016 22: 45
        0
        https://youtu.be/6rW4hxeEIWA
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 28 May 2016 09: 33
      +1
      Quote: Volksib
      The story with the URO destroyer Donald Cook and our Soviet-made Su-24 with the Khibiny proved the effectiveness of this type of electronic warfare.

      And the Americans wrote that they observed both aircraft :-)
  • rudolff
    rudolff 28 May 2016 09: 54
    +8
    Y-yes ... In truth, miraculous electronic warfare! As they covered Syria with an "umbrella", the coalition's aviation stopped flying "out of harm's way," and the American special forces had to withdraw themselves, and the barmaley are now very tight! No communication, no navigation, no internet! Messengers with dispatches have to be sent! Am I missing anything? Oh yeah, those sailors from Donald Cook still can't stop diarrhea! In business!
    1. RedBaron
      RedBaron 28 May 2016 10: 38
      +5
      They also forgot that Israel didn’t bomb Hezboloid, stopped flying, hitting, going for a walk and generally speaking to the media ...
  • black
    black 28 May 2016 11: 00
    +1
    It’s interesting to me. When I minus opponents, I somehow argue. As a man brought up among the proletariat and the peasantry, a person must not only send, but also explain where ... And then, two minuses and silence fell upon her.
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 28 May 2016 11: 07
      +6
      Quote: black
      It’s interesting to me. When I minus opponents, I somehow argue. As a man brought up among the proletariat and the peasantry, a person must not only send, but also explain where ... And then, two minuses and silence fell upon her.

      Humble yourself - this is inevitable as "The collapse of imperialism". And you were probably minus for the confusion in presentation and confusion in terms. Radio direction finding and electronic warfare are, of course, adjacent areas, but they are not the same thing. In addition, I am gnawed by vague doubts that you really happened to deal with modern American or Israeli systems.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 28 May 2016 20: 02
        +2
        Quote: Bongo
        Radio direction finding and electronic warfare are areas of course adjacent, but they are not the same thing.

        I would say the opposing sides :-)
  • Armat
    Armat 28 May 2016 12: 39
    +1
    So the show in Syria was a success, what's next? Will Russia be able to maintain its presence in Syria or the task has been completed in principle. The West saw the milk teeth of Russian diplomacy and indistinctly started talking about lifting the sanctions. And what about the United States? We will be presented with the United States, as a bunch of snickering fools and obscurantists. For general use, this is the correct information policy. However, the Americans side-by-side found out the real state of affairs, Russia, so to speak, lit up. I think that the Americans will try to create such a situation, on their part, so as not to "light up" their real capabilities and keep a "pig in a poke". I hope that Russian military analysts have this in mind.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 28 May 2016 13: 08
    +2
    Quote: black
    This is a question for performance characteristics. So it turned out to work. Well, the Russian army is no stranger to fighting without communications, roads and supplies.
    Well, in 70x, firstly, EW Tools in the form as they did not exist today, and something is wrong with the cellular phone, because in Europe it turned around by the end of 80x! Further, the work of EW units does not mean the lack of communication with the initiator. This is probably where the cons come from. I do not evaluate in principle, since you are not in the subject.
    1. black
      black 28 May 2016 14: 33
      0
      You did not understand me. We had means of communication, development from the 70s. For example, R-123 or R-159, if that tells you something. What the "opponents" had from the electronic warfare means, I will not say. There was a great desire to raskurochit the machine, which was done. True ATGM. The second went straight into an ambush, but was at the end of the column and managed to turn around and leave.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 28 May 2016 13: 46
    0
    Quote: sa-ag
    Quote: Volksib
    The story with the URO destroyer Donald Cook and our Soviet-made Su-24 with the Khibiny proved the effectiveness of this type of electronic warfare.

    And the Americans wrote that they observed both aircraft :-)

    Question to the conscience of Americans, or rather two:
    - to observe and to see (to carry out identification, a place and an echelon) is one and the same? if so then:
    - Did Russian EW funds work during this period?
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 28 May 2016 20: 04
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      (identification, place and echelon) is it the same thing? if so then:
      - Did Russian EW funds work during this period?

      Well, as if they wrote that their on-board equipment was functioning and they could observe both aircraft, there were no details
  • Volksib
    Volksib 28 May 2016 14: 22
    -2
    The Khibiny electronic warfare system has never been installed on Su-24M bombers. Is this an axiom of a finch?
    1. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 28 May 2016 15: 33
      +4
      Quote: Volksib
      The Khibiny electronic warfare system has never been installed on Su-24M bombers. Is this an axiom of a finch?

      For those who are in the subject is an axiom, or do you have other factually confirmed information?
      1. Volksib
        Volksib 8 June 2016 22: 44
        0
        https://youtu.be/6rW4hxeEIWA откуда такая упоротость?с незалежной?
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  • Yak28
    Yak28 28 May 2016 15: 05
    +3
    Russian electronic warfare systems are certainly good, they are not fools in the United States, and they probably have the means to combat our electronic warfare systems. The quick help from the Russian side of the Syrian army looked spectacular, strategic aviation, cruise missile attacks from the sea, a lot of videos of bombing (in the best American traditions ) then the tragedy with the downed SU-24, the exposure of the Turks as accomplices of terrorists, our air defense systems in Syria, the plot spun here is something going to happen and zilch the end of the film. It is worrying that the war cannot be seen endlessly, is it too early to cut the air group in Syria? I wonder what will be the outcome of the Syrian war, and with what person and result will Russia come out of this conflict? request
  • Geser
    Geser 28 May 2016 16: 00
    +3
    Only specialists and those who served in the EW troops can talk about the quality of our electronic warfare systems. But none of them will ever say anything on this score, because everything related to electronic warfare is a military and state secret. As for the statements of NATO generals, this is an admission that our electronic warfare systems are a means that neutralizes the capabilities of Western precision weapons and it is no longer necessary to talk about the contactless "button" war to which the Western military, mainly the American ones, are so accustomed. It is this fact that infuriates the Westerners, because now they have to not only strive to reduce the lag in the field of electronic warfare systems, but also return to conventional war techniques, which, due to adherence to contactless warfare, were rejected or forgotten. Well, we just do not forget anything and use the experience of all the wars in which we had a chance to participate.
    1. RedBaron
      RedBaron 28 May 2016 17: 31
      -2
      Yes, it doesn’t neutralize, the satellite signal does not jam, the missile guidance system is not only on the FPS, the wide-band signal also does not drown out the air force data exchange system, it is also not so difficult to knock out because it fills for hundreds of kilometers, profit of course there is but certainly not a panacea for everything and everything.
      1. Geser
        Geser 1 June 2016 13: 42
        0
        EW is certainly not a panacea but a very effective and powerful weapon. And I’m sure that the developers of electronic warfare systems probably took into account the capabilities of satellite reconnaissance and took measures to counter them, do not consider them fools.
  • 31rus2
    31rus2 28 May 2016 19: 24
    +2
    Dear ones, the main thing here is not to intercept your beloved ones, but specifically, electronic warfare is now a very important element of the modern army, but far from the only one, besides the further development of electronic warfare itself, requires its electronic components (I don’t know, it may not be as critical as in space sphere), but dependence on foreign suppliers can seriously affect the development of the eb, that's what worries
  • trantor
    trantor 28 May 2016 20: 38
    +1
    The main capabilities of the EW tools should be as hidden from potential enemies as possible, and the tactics of their use should be based on surprise. This will not allow to take proactive measures, and together with the principles of massiveness, focusing on the main direction (priority objects) will ensure the achievement of goals.

    Golden words - EW, has always been one of the most closed (I would say even mysterious, for non-specialists wink) types of combat support.
    I hope that not all and not all opportunities have shown, something was left for "surprise".
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 28 May 2016 21: 10
    +3
    The tale about "Khibiny" is eternal ... This is what the crappy teaching of physics courses in schools for the last 15 years leads to.
  • In100gram
    In100gram 28 May 2016 22: 47
    0
    Our EW means are driving the war into the "stone" age. Everything goes in a spiral ...
  • cedar
    cedar 29 May 2016 13: 38
    +2
    b] vanavate
    the cap was ripped off by the professor, apparently he devoured the NATO agitation - the topic of the expanding Russian threat and the approach to NATO should be washed down with cold water: I would write further about weapons and not climb into the agitation prop, it would be better to ventilate the brain

    Yes, until the bullet “professor” Russian threat to our base of this NATO.
    He has one thing in his tongue, and another in his thoughts. Our two bases: the air force and the naval in Syria, the country with which Izrail fought more than once, whose territory, the Gollans, chopped off.
    How so, what right this kneeling Russia had the right to go into the Izrail chicken coop, which has long been the Middle East for Izrail, and even with its commitment to compliance with some kind of international law and at the invitation of some Syrian president. Moshe Katsav is sitting modestly in jail in Maasiyahu prison, and the Syrian Russians are dragged right next to him, and even with “Kraukha”, which doesn’t let your beloved Americans fly where Israel will tell you and bomb it. But everything so gloriously rolled ... Kirdyk Asad and Syria shone no worse than Hussein and Iraq and ... suddenly. You can't stand such a hedgehog in your pants! It is about this Russian threat that the “professor” tried to speak with us in his Aesopian language ...
    And now about the Israelite threat. In 2008, Georgia attacked South Ossetia. Georgian troops for this war were trained by Israeli instructors and armed with Israeli weapons, and a citizen of Israel was the Minister of Defense of Georgia. The attack was on Russia and she adequately answered! We must pay tribute to the Israelis and their Georgian “miracle heroes”, having received a “cap”, they deprived our leadership of democratic illusions about a free Western world with this attack. World competitive wars, all against all!
    But as they say: "There is no silver lining."
    We recovered from the obsession with the liberal promises of a trap and began the reform of the Armed Forces, including the creation of the latest electronic warfare. And now we are where we are and try to eat us!

    P.S. "... Israeli diplomats, as the Georgian army was defeated, began to publicly renounce cooperation with Georgia, the Israeli government temporarily refused military-technical cooperation with Georgia, but after a while everything returned to normal. commercial interests of several private firms [/ b] (???) the Israeli authorities committed another political and geopolitical mistake that continues to this day. The Israeli authorities are not even embarrassed by the demolition in 2009 in Kutaisi of the monument to those who died during the Great Patriotic War, and the glorification in Georgia of the Georgian soldiers who fought in the Great Patriotic War on Hitler's side as part of the SS divisions. Momentary gesheft of retired generals turned out to be more important than the historical memory of the Jewish people and the Jewish quarter of Tskhinvali destroyed in 2008 ... "
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 29 May 2016 15: 19
    -2
    No wonder the "professor" from Ukraine. Inadequate stoned. Jews are generally a strange people. He is somewhat similar to the Russians. Whoever helps them, they do not like, and whoever, on the contrary, spreads rot, they are drawn to that.
    1. atalef
      atalef 29 May 2016 15: 37
      +3
      Quote: fzr1000
      Who helps them, they don’t love him, and who, on the contrary, spread rot, they are drawn to that.

  • Samoyed
    Samoyed 30 May 2016 09: 28
    0
    Russian electronic warfare is a truly verified asymmetric response. And about the threat from Russia - a myth for cutting the budgets of NATO and, especially, the United States. The larger the army, the more weapons, military, posts. I will not be surprised that many NATO generals are shareholders and lobbyists of military-industrial enterprises. IMHO.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 30 May 2016 09: 42
    0
    Vanyochek came from Moscow, brought with him "Krasukha" and "Lesochek" .. Now there are shadows over Syria ...
  • Aristide
    Aristide 30 May 2016 11: 55
    0
    Excellent information, I would like to be proud of our Russia. For some centuries we are in some way ahead of Western military specialists, and, moreover, by far. It's time for Western "friends" to realize that they should be friends with Russia, not fight!
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 30 May 2016 14: 36
    0
    In Afghanistan, there was an EW battalion (Pantyukovsky) in honor of the battalion commander; they worked in the VHF and HF bands. There were no particular successes with VHF, since the landscape did not match. But that was over 30 years ago.
  • South Ural
    South Ural 30 May 2016 18: 33
    0
    But Syria must be helped to the end - to the end to provide cover and give the opportunity for their army to liberate their country TOTALLY!
  • Things
    Things 31 May 2016 00: 40
    -1
    Quote: Bongo
    Of course, we are not talking about any superiority of our army in this regard. No. We just pulled ourselves up to the modern level,

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  • Mentat
    Mentat 31 May 2016 12: 45
    0
    Quote: Pavel Tsybay
    I respect Aviation. And there are many and expensive directories, you can call it IL 22 a lot and differently, but this is the most incomprehensible aircraft in Russia, and determine by the photo who he really is?

    You write as if Russian is not your native language. Where are you from?
  • Mentat
    Mentat 31 May 2016 13: 06
    0
    Quote: Professor

    This is a separate topic. Once again, it is worth discussing separately in the light of "ingenious" statements how by flashing the software, you can increase the missile range from 500 km to 2400 km. fool

    You twist yourself right at the temple, though for a complete and true effect you need to set a mirror in front of you.

    It was not a question of flashing the rockets, of course, but of the launch complex. This refers to the physical compatibility of various types of missiles and launchers.

    So twist your fingers further, you can both, to better express your abilities.
    1. Professor
      Professor 31 May 2016 13: 13
      0
      Quote: Mentat
      It was not a question of flashing the rockets, of course, but of the launch complex. This refers to the physical compatibility of various types of missiles and launchers.

      Right We changed the software to launchers and a rocket capable of flying 500 km began to fly 2400 km ... fool
      And what? On the stimulator, this is exactly what happens. wink
  • Mentat
    Mentat 31 May 2016 13: 24
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Mentat
    It was not a question of flashing the rockets, of course, but of the launch complex. This refers to the physical compatibility of various types of missiles and launchers.

    Right We changed the software to launchers and a rocket capable of flying 500 km began to fly 2400 km ... fool

    Continue in the same spirit. Your demonstrations of your abilities are very convincing.

    As for the missiles, it is natural to say that a missile with a range of 500 km is replaced by a longer range missile; the launcher is compatible with both missiles.

    What in this elementary text is not clear to your, undoubtedly, powerful mind (which you have twice already powerfully stimulated by the same finger-twisting)?
    1. Professor
      Professor 31 May 2016 13: 33
      0
      Quote: Mentat
      As for the missiles, it is natural to say that a missile with a range of 500 km is replaced by a longer range missile; the launcher is compatible with both missiles.

      Glory to Allah, it turns out that one software does not get off and will have to replace missiles. Romanians certainly will not notice the substitution. Now I am calm. tongue
  • Mentat
    Mentat 31 May 2016 15: 56
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Mentat
    As for the missiles, it is natural to say that a missile with a range of 500 km is replaced by a longer range missile; the launcher is compatible with both missiles.

    Glory to Allah, it turns out that one software does not get off and will have to replace missiles. Romanians certainly will not notice the substitution. Now I am calm. tongue

    The Romanians did not notice how they lost their sovereignty, because only a country that does not have any voting right allows you to place priority strike objects on your territory, and you're all about some miserable dozens of missiles.

    Who will allow them to notice anything at all? Have you read the working order of these databases?
    In your fantasies, you probably imagine a strict Romanian general who came to build the Americans at a stand and quietly inspect where, what and how many missiles cost? I’ll enlighten you: neither local workers, nor local materials are used in the construction of the bases, and the “Romanian military” will not even be able to piss near the base, not only to go there and check something.

    But you, “professor”, go on, go on, your mental exercises are quite funny.
    1. Professor
      Professor 31 May 2016 19: 04
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      Quote: Mentat
      The Romanians did not notice how they lost their sovereignty, because only a country that does not have any voting right allows you to place priority strike objects on your territory, and you're all about some miserable dozens of missiles.

      Sovereignty is to dispose of its territory at its discretion. It’s up to you to decide who to visit and who to not. It's like Egypt at one time, letting the guests go, and then kick in the ass. The master is the master.

      Quote: Mentat
      But you, “professor”, go on, go on, your mental exercises are quite funny.

      Where am I going to the sun. He threatens the Iskanders of Romania, despite the fact that they do not reach Romania, the radius of action does not allow. Although ... If you change the software, then they will also fly 2400 km. lol
      We do not violate anything, but the ground complexes up to 500 kilometers of Iskander have also proven themselves brilliantly.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 1 June 2016 00: 20
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    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Mentat
    The Romanians did not notice how they lost their sovereignty, because only a country that does not have any voting right allows you to place priority strike objects on your territory, and you're all about some miserable dozens of missiles.

    Sovereignty is to dispose of its territory at its discretion. It’s up to you to decide who to visit and who to not.

    Really? The Romanians themselves were thrilled, couldn’t sleep directly, draw a “shoot here” cross on their forehead? What altruistic Romanians! We are ready for anything, if only to protect world peace from the cursed Iran and ... and ... well, in general from Evil in the whole world under the leadership of the USA!
    Even to sacrifice yourself in the first place, for the sake of the American good, if suddenly the next DropShot plan, God forbid, someone seems feasible. Here it is, it turns out, sovereignty.

    It's like Egypt at one time, letting the guests go, and then kick in the ass. The master is the master.

    Yes, what I’m talking about, after the advice, the Aswan Dam remained, as the master barin wanted, and after freedom and democracy from the USA there was almost a civil war, “Muslim brothers”, the robbery of museums and airplanes bombings. The Egyptians slept right and saw all this in their dreams. Themselves, all by themselves, the owners of the bar, no one did not suit them with any Arab spring. But Sadat at one time denounced the friendship treaty with the USSR just like that, by itself, and not even at the call of Carter after he was pressed and pressed in the ass.

    But these are past things. And the Japanese, who recently survived the nuclear bombing, bowed to Obama, and he patted them on the back with a patronizing smile with a condescending smile. By the way, do you have about the same sovereignty or even stronger?

    Quote: Professor
    Quote: Mentat
    But you, “professor”, go on, go on, your mental exercises are quite funny.

    Where am I going to the sun. He threatens the Iskanders of Romania, despite the fact that they do not reach Romania, the radius of action does not allow. Although ... If you change the software, then they will also fly 2400 km. lol
    We do not violate anything, but the ground complexes up to 500 kilometers of Iskander have also proven themselves brilliantly.

    Let us leave aside your interpretation of the quotation, however, with the geography for the school course, the “professor” is not so hot, and the attention is scattered ...
    The quote refers to Poland. I hope you can find the border of Poland and the Kaliningrad region on the map?

    Try harder, “professor,” maybe you can finally give birth to something really funny. While somehow weak and confused.
    1. Professor
      Professor 1 June 2016 08: 07
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      Really? Romanians themselves were thrilled

      It’s for yourself. Nobody occupied them and their legally elected government decided so.

      Quote: Mentat
      after the advice, the Aswan Dam remained

      After the Briton colonizers in India, there was a railway and much more. Well?

      Quote: Mentat
      you, by the way, about the same sovereignty or even stronger?

      And you ask all those who tried to test our sovereignty for strength. You can start your survey with tens of thousands of Soviet "advisors".

      Quote: Mentat
      The quote refers to Poland.

      What, right? Do we mean Romania, we mean Poland? Give a pliz quote where he recalls Poland. wink
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 1 June 2016 19: 39
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        Quote: Professor
        You can start your survey with tens of thousands of Soviet "advisors".

        And how many Israeli military advisers were in Georgia on the eve of the attack on South Ossetia?
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  • Mentat
    Mentat 7 June 2016 16: 54
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    Really? Romanians themselves were thrilled

    It’s for yourself. Nobody occupied them and their legally elected government decided so.

    About how Bulgaria itself wanted to abandon the South Stream, and the arrival of the “watching” from the USA just coincided in time, right?
    Why are you making a naive Aboriginal young man?


    Quote: Mentat
    after the advice, the Aswan Dam remained

    After the Briton colonizers in India, there was a railway and much more. Well?

    It is simply amazing how a sane, seemingly adult, person can lie, dodge, try to bustle ...

    Why did the British colonialists build this road ?? To improve India’s infrastructure for philanthropic reasons? Yes, they carried everything that they could steal, steal and plunder in India by this railway! The well-known habits of the colonialists * who, on the robbery of the old civilizations, built their "modern and enlightened" empire. How many museums and objects of common cultural heritage looted the Britons? How many people were poisoned and killed in the opium war?

    As for the Aswan Dam, at first the eyes of greedy bankers in the West caught fire in anticipation of profit from loans, but ... Egypt will receive a big impetus to the development of the country, its agriculture, and people's well-being. This means that it will strengthen and gain, in potential, the opportunity to develop science, education, the social sphere - and the West has refused!

    The USSR built the Aswan Dam on the basis of a mutually beneficial agreement, much cheaper than the Western project, honestly fulfilled all the conditions of this business deal, besides providing the right loan to Egypt, allowing the people of Egypt to get the very chance that the West refused. And do you compare this with what the Ugrian colonizers did in India ?? Are you all right, professor? Your condition is starting to bother.

    Quote: Mentat
    you, by the way, about the same sovereignty or even stronger?

    And you ask all those who tried to test our sovereignty for strength. You can start your survey with tens of thousands of Soviet "advisors".

    Tens of thousands? Have you smoked something, "professor"?

    Quote: Mentat
    The quote refers to Poland.

    What, right? Do we mean Romania, we mean Poland? Give a pliz quote where he recalls Poland. wink

    Yeah. Neglected case. Are you even in a search engine unable to type a phrase? Why are you getting into some sort of discussion?

    Here is the exact quote:
    “We will wait until certain actions are carried out in Poland. We won’t do anything until we see rockets in the adjacent territory ... We’re not breaking anything, but the Iskander ground complexes up to 500 kilometers have also proven themselves brilliantly ”(http://special.kremlin.ru/events/president / news / 52024)
  • Alex von Dorn
    Alex von Dorn 27 June 2016 06: 20
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    Achievements are not bad, you need to move on. Good luck