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Idea for China

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The Orthodox line will return the country to the success of the Tang Dynasty

How does the economic model affect the country's defense? Will the current US hegemony dominate the developed countries in a number of regions? What relations with China are most favorable for Russia from the point of view of its defense capability? Is a close union possible between our countries, their economies and the defense industry structures? A well-known Russian economist, publicist, radio and TV host Mikhail Khazin reflects on this in an interview with the “Military-Industrial Courier”.

- Mikhail Leonidovich, the point of view is that the accumulating US treasury obligations, China buys security for itself is quite common. Reserves become insurance against American aggression. How do you think this is a simplified understanding of the question or is it incorrect in principle?

- The problem of China is that, apart from the US Treasury bonds, it simply does not have reserves. He attempted to purchase tangible assets, ports, factories in the United States, but nothing came of it. The United States did not make this deal. By the way, they did the same with Russia. Americans are very tight control access to their own modern technology.

- The attitude of the United States to China is well known. At the level of geopolitics, it is spelled out in the American national security strategy. About the same as China refers to the United States, nothing is known or almost nothing. Can we simulate this relationship based on the available information?

- For the United States, no geopolitical rival of comparable power is unacceptable. They are basically unable to talk for a long time with someone on an equal footing. China’s attitude to the United States is also very negative. Between these two countries, we see the most brutal geopolitical rivalry. Both those and others are trying to seize the markets of the European Union: the USA - by developing the Atlantic partnership, China - by implementing its project of the new Great Silk Road. The events in Ukraine, the prerequisites of a potential explosion in Central Asia, are being shaped - behind all of this are American attempts to keep China out of Western Europe by land. There is a struggle for the position of Russia. How will it end? There are good reasons to believe that in the current situation the United States will for some time abandon the idea of ​​global domination due to the fact that it is economically unrealizable today. This will be possible in the case of the coming to power of Trump. As for China, he actually abandoned the idea of ​​becoming a world hegemon and focused on a regional project. The indirect evidence of this conclusion is the fact that China took for granted the decision of the largest European bank, the British HSBC, to abandon the idea of ​​moving its headquarters back to Hong Kong and leave it in London.

China is parting with the idea of ​​global domination. Here frank nationalists came to power, who are going to deal primarily with internal affairs.

- In the UN Security Council, China always votes the same way as Russia on all matters of principle. How can this be explained?

- This is due to the fact that both our country and China today are geopolitical balances of the United States. In Russia, domestic economic policy is fully controlled by pro-American forces, but the external one is under the control of the president, who, like the Chinese leadership, is building a model of opposition to the United States. At the same time, China and Russia are not close allies in reality. For the first of these countries, the second is economically too weak. In addition, as I have already said, the pro-American “fifth column” dominates the economic sphere in the Russian Federation. This makes it impossible to establish a truly partnership with China.

“At the same time, Beijing harshly criticizes Russia's economic policy, especially the activities of our government.” We can recall the December article "Xinhua", dedicated to the visit of Medvedev. Do Chinese comrades hear in Moscow and how do they react to their position?

- While not react. Our government is not interested in Chinese criticism. The Russian Cabinet listens only to the opinion of Washington. As for Putin, he obviously knows about Beijing’s position, but the head of state has its limitations. First of all, he understands that Russia is not yet ready for direct confrontation with the United States. Unlike China, which has arguments against the States. They were presented a few years ago when the Chinese shot down their own satellite. Russia began to present arguments only during the operation in Syria. In response, she received counterarguments. At the direction of Washington, the Russian Central Bank brought down the domestic economy, as a result, the economic recession has increased three to four times. So Russia today can only counter the US passively.

Idea for China- In the Chinese economy, primarily in the financial sector, mining and processing of minerals, defense and space industry, the state corporations play a huge role. As far as can be judged by the main indicators, they act very effectively. Unlike the Russian, who look pale against the background of their neighbors. What do you think is the secret of the economic success of Chinese state corporations? Affecting the leading and guiding role of the CCP?

- In China, there is still a global planning system. Moreover, it is much more complicated than the one that existed in the USSR, because in China the State Planning Committee is only a part, a structural unit of the General Staff, which links geopolitical and economic structures into a single whole. In Russia, there is no central planning system, departments oppose each other. Higher authorities do not demonstrate interest in the development of key industries. So, the Central Bank and the government are doing everything to ensure that the engineering industry could not function normally. It is difficult to expect in such a situation at least the minimum efficiency of a particular industry.

- Who and how controls the Chinese economy? Is it true that the Central Military Council of the People's Republic of China is responsible for strategic planning and its head is in fact the first person of the state?

- The control system in China is different than in Russia and the United States. China is a very clan state, in the Communist Party there are three large groups competing with each other. Conditionally we call them communist (it is associated with the name of Jiang Zemin), a group of pro-American reformers Hu Jintao - former members of the Komsomol and nationalists headed by Xi Jinping. At the last 18 CCP Congress, the combined forces of the communists and nationalists very strongly pressed the pro-American grouping. For the first time in many years, Hu Jintao did not get the post of head of a group of military advisers, having left the post of general secretary of the Communist Party.

Now in China is extremely tense domestic situation. He was also affected by a serious economic crisis, which, in my opinion, is a mirror of the American one. It is unclear how this will end.

- China is a multinational state, and that is always not easy to govern. It is believed that the CPC plays a unifying, cementing role in the Celestial Empire. Or are there other - spiritual, mental - braces?

- Calling China a multinational state is an exaggeration. Because the overwhelming majority of the population are Han Chinese. Another thing is that South and North China are very different. South Chinese are similar to Vietnamese, while northern people are more like you and me, probably influenced by a mixture of Manchus and other nations. Although they all perceive themselves to be Chinese. In ideological terms, the postulates of nationalism. For all that, the Chinese do not yet have that basic ideological scheme, according to which they will build their development further. If you look at history countries, while the Chinese time is not linear, as we have, but periodically, it turns out that before they always took someone's ideologies. The Chinese now love to refer to the most successful period in their history of the Tang dynasty, when the Christian scheme was adopted as the basic ideological construction. At that time, Nestorian communities in Central Asia were quite numerous. There are suggestions that China is seriously considering how to strengthen some Orthodox line in its worldview. This does not mean that they are ready to make a clone of the Orthodox Church. Everything will be a little different.

- I do not think that they are ready to abandon Confucianism ...

- Let's not confuse the idea with a confession, a church. Patriarchy they absolutely do not need. They need an idea.

- We all remember the song "Moscow - Beijing": "Russian and Chinese are brothers forever, the unity of nations and races is growing ..." Is a long-term geopolitical union of Russia and China in the XXI century possible?

- Not today. But within the framework of a certain Eurasian project, yes. But this has a lot to do. Now - alas! - no one does ...
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 25 May 2016 21: 28
    +5
    "First of all, he understands that Russia is not yet ready for a direct confrontation with the United States."

    It is difficult to argue with this; in the current economic model of the world, we are clearly losing.

    "Unlike China, which has arguments against the United States. They were presented several years ago - when the Chinese shot down their own satellite. Russia began to present arguments only during the operation in Syria. In response, it received counter-arguments. At the direction of Washington, the Russian Central Bank brought down the domestic economy, as a result, our economic recession has intensified three to four times. So today Russia can only oppose the US passively. "

    I see no logic, Russia could shoot down satellites long before China, and with the operation in Syria we simply confirmed our determination to pursue our interests by force, no matter how much the "hegemon" likes it.

    "The southern Chinese are similar to the Vietnamese, and the northern ones are more like you and me, probably due to the admixture of the Manchus and other peoples."

    The anthropologist from Khazin is clearly no. Yes
    1. nils
      nils 25 May 2016 21: 29
      +3
      An idea for China?

      What is the idea for Russia?
      1. iouris
        iouris 25 May 2016 22: 08
        +2
        ... ide me, ide me, ide I am ?!
      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 26 May 2016 06: 31
        -1
        Quote: nils
        What is the idea for Russia?

        If you get an experiment in Switzerland and Finland with unconditional income, then this might be an idea
    2. poquello
      poquello 25 May 2016 21: 52
      +1
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "The southern Chinese are similar to the Vietnamese, and the northern ones are more like you and me, probably due to the admixture of the Manchus and other peoples."

      The anthropologist from Khazin is clearly no.

      re-read kung fu books, northern styles are wider, amplitude, long
    3. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 25 May 2016 21: 55
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      The anthropologist from Khazin is clearly no.
      No analyst from him. I remember, right before the 1998 default, in an interview with KP, he argued that the Russian economy was stable and was not in danger. After that, I stopped taking Mikhail Leonidovich seriously. But, I will not hide, reading it is sometimes amusing. For example, this passage amused
      Russia is not yet ready for a direct confrontation with the United States. Unlike ChinaWhich has arguments against the states. They were presented several years ago - when the Chinese shot down their own satellite.
      I understand that a successful attempt to destroy the Chinese own spacecraft completely outweighs eight thousand Russian nuclear warheads and Russian-American parity in the area of ​​strategic nuclear forces. Despite the fact that the Chinese have an order of magnitude (according to the most optimistic estimates) less nuclear warheads and their means of delivery to the United States. But his downed companion is undoubtedly cooler. Iron logic.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 25 May 2016 22: 00
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        I understand that a successful attempt to destroy their own satellite by the Chinese completely outweighs eight thousand Russian nuclear warheads and Russian-American parity in the area of ​​strategic nuclear forces. Iron logic.

        And a few trillions of dollars of debt and turnover. Yes
      2. FID
        FID 26 May 2016 09: 56
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        I understand that a successful attempt to destroy the Chinese own spacecraft completely outweighs eight thousand Russian nuclear warheads and Russian-American parity in the area of ​​strategic nuclear forces. Despite the fact that the Chinese have an order of magnitude (according to the most optimistic estimates) less nuclear warheads and their means of delivery to the United States. But his downed companion is undoubtedly cooler. Iron logic.
        Answer

        The U.S. Army is entirely dependent on GPS ... Knock down several satellites and ....
    4. Vivan
      Vivan 26 May 2016 02: 25
      +8
      If you are not satisfied with the design “South Chinese look like Vietnamese”, then I can offer you the opposite - “Vietnamese look like southern Chinese”. The historical homeland of the Han is the Yellow River basin. More than 2200 years ago, the southern part of present-day China (south of the Yangtze River) was inhabited not by the Han, but by the Vieta. Yes, yes, do not be surprised, the Han people called them “pa-yue” (hundreds of Vietnamese tribes). In the 2nd century BC the Han people completed the conquest of the southern part of present-day China, and the Viet tribes, assimilating, gradually turned into Chinese. Persistent resistance to the Han people was provided only by the southernmost Vietnamese tribe, which the Han people called “nan yue” (southern Vietnamese). These southern Vietes finally liberated their land in 938 and created the state of Nam Viet (the same as the Chinese “nan yue”). Since the beginning of the 19th century, our state began to be called Viet Nam (in Chinese - Yue Nan).
      In reality, the current southern Chinese are relatives of the Vietnamese, not the Han. Outwardly, the indigenous people of southern China are more like Vietnamese than Chinese. Ask any native of southern China, he will tell you that he is Chinese, but not Han, but Viet. If the Vietnamese tribes were able to unite in the fight against the Han, now the border between the Vietnamese state and China would pass along the Yangtze River.
      1. Tibidokh
        Tibidokh 26 May 2016 04: 47
        +1
        Quote: Vivan
        Outwardly, the indigenous people of southern China are more like Vietnamese than Chinese.

        I agree. In the north, the Chinese are taller, the skin is lighter, more silent. Southern people are more sociable, often less educated, but more friendly. It is rare to see that the southern Chinese quarrel with their small nationalities (少数民族), but I watched such a sin for the northern ones. From the point of view of business, both of them like to deceive, they generally do not consider it a deception, but a "skill" of doing business.
        To better understand the southern Chinese, you should watch Stephen Chow's films (周星驰).
        The food of southerners and northerners is quite different.
        Northerners eat more meat, southerners fish and vegetables.
        Quote: Vivan
        Ask any native of southern China, he will tell you that he is Chinese, but not Han, but Viet.

        belay Interestingly, I have never heard such a thing from indigenous southerners in 9 years. request
    5. yehat
      yehat 26 May 2016 18: 54
      0
      you are not deeply analyzing. Khazin is talking about new arguments. China has demonstrated the results of the technological growth of the army and industry, we have demonstrated progress in high-precision missile weapons. The United States also put forward a new argument - the unprincipled stall of currency at will.
    6. Weyland
      Weyland 26 May 2016 21: 54
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Anthropologist from Khazin is clearly no


      This is no anthropologist among you, but Khazin wrote correctly!
  2. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 25 May 2016 21: 39
    +1
    Now in China is extremely tense domestic situation. He was also affected by a serious economic crisis, which, in my opinion, is a mirror of the American one. It is unclear how this will end.
    And who is easy now, which country does not have big problems? There is a redivision of the world. Painful and tough process. But with American hegemony, one must end by waking up! We will deal with China and agree, if only the Anglo-Saxons do not interfere with us and do not weave vile intrigues.
    1. poquello
      poquello 25 May 2016 21: 56
      +2
      Quote: LÄRZ
      And who is easy now, which country does not have big problems? There is a redivision of the world. A painful and harsh process ...

      and the Americans have the same internal garbage, only without external influence
      1. LÄRZ
        LÄRZ 25 May 2016 22: 18
        +2
        Quote: poquello
        and the Americans have the same internal garbage, only without external influence

        And if someone tried to poke their attention to them, "luli" from them would not be frail. Here they rigidly suppress any inclinations to their "plot". Well, they themselves climb and seep everywhere and everywhere, worse than kerosene. And we, unfortunately, have to
        So Russia today can only counteract the United States passively.
        1. poquello
          poquello 25 May 2016 22: 46
          +1
          Quote: LÄRZ
          leak out worse than kerosene

          better than kerosene
      2. PKK
        PKK 25 May 2016 22: 40
        +4
        There is an external impact on the USA, it is from the Global Predictor and is quite strong. Sometimes in the form of a tornado, or even abruptly.
        1. LÄRZ
          LÄRZ 25 May 2016 22: 47
          +1
          Quote: PKK
          There is an external impact on the USA, it is from the Global Predictor and is quite strong. Sometimes in the form of a tornado, or even abruptly.

          Yes, it "rode and hurt" them. They got used to it. Now, if they "fuck ... hit" with the dollar, then they will start shrieking.
  3. aba
    aba 25 May 2016 21: 55
    +4
    I don’t know how with China, but it’s true about our government and the Central Bank.
  4. avvg
    avvg 25 May 2016 21: 56
    +1
    East as before - a delicate matter, with Chinese characteristics!
  5. poquello
    poquello 25 May 2016 21: 58
    +2
    the central bank does not like Khazin, can someone tell me what he proposed to Khazin as alternative solutions
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 25 May 2016 23: 11
      +1
      About the same as Glazyev.
  6. 31rus2
    31rus2 25 May 2016 22: 24
    +1
    Dear, I'm sorry, not an expert, but that I read the author’s exuberant fantasies
  7. Rostislav
    Rostislav 25 May 2016 22: 31
    +1
    Very precisely noticed:
    The Russian Cabinet listens only to the opinion of Washington ...
    At the direction of Washington, the Russian Central Bank brought down the domestic economy
    ...
    The central bank and the government are doing everything to ensure that engineering could not function normally. It is difficult to expect in such a situation at least the minimum efficiency of an industry

    In Russia, domestic economic policy is completely controlled by pro-American forces,

    Now I still have to find a way to get rid of this dependence.
  8. populist
    populist 25 May 2016 23: 27
    0
    Is a long-term geopolitical union of Russia and China possible in the XNUMXst century?

    - Not today. But in the framework of a Eurasian project, yes.

    As part of such a Eurasian project in which China eats everyone.
    China will simply not be happy with another Eurasian project.
    how to strengthen a certain Orthodox line in their worldview.

    I appreciate humor even in serious matters. good lol fool
  9. Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov 25 May 2016 23: 50
    +2
    "In Russia, domestic economic policy is completely controlled by pro-American forces"

    "the pro-American" fifth column "dominates in the economic sphere in the Russian Federation"

    "The Russian Cabinet listens only to the opinion of Washington"

    "At the direction of Washington, the Russian Central Bank brought down the domestic economy"

    I do not always agree with Khazin in everything, but under these lines I will sign with both hands. Unfortunately, Khazin did not specify what to do with the pro-American mongrels and was afraid to poke Putin, apparently the fate of Yuri Mukhin is not happy. I’m not such a prominent figure and I’m not afraid of “extremist” statements and “calls for the overthrow of the government,” and I’ll say so bluntly: , the Mudin, Lebanese and Ulyukayevs are taken with them. " Stalin is not on them!
    1. CAH4OYC
      CAH4OYC 26 May 2016 01: 08
      +2
      what to do with pro-american mongrel

      For some reason, in Russia, the 5th column is seen in people, but they do not see its foundation ...
  10. CAH4OYC
    CAH4OYC 26 May 2016 01: 05
    0
    Well done China that criticize our government!
  11. EvgNik
    EvgNik 26 May 2016 04: 33
    -1
    Kids (authors) - obviously in the sun overheated.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 26 May 2016 05: 32
    0
    In response, received counterarguments. At the direction of Washington, the Russian Central Bank brought down the domestic economy, and as a result, the economic downturn intensified three to four times. So Russia today can only counteract the United States passively.

    Ingenious! It turns out that our Central Bank is so ineptly following instructions from Washington that it does not allow the liberals to launch their paws into the budget. Through a cheap loan, continue buying up currency. All the same, 390 ml. Gold reserves - a tidbit!
  13. Mobik
    Mobik 26 May 2016 08: 45
    0
    The Chinese now love to turn to the most successful period of the Tang Dynasty in their history, when the Christian scheme was adopted as the basic ideological construction.

    Why write articles about what you don’t know. What nafik Christianity. Li-Shimin, who was not even a true Chinese (a descendant of the nomads who had come around), who became the founder of the dynasty, would be very surprised to learn about Christianity of his ideology. The entire Orthodox line drawn by the ears of the Tang Dynasty to China is propaganda garbage for urakryakalok.
    Oh yes, and the Chinese have an ideology, called Confucianism, the one who claims that Confucianism is simply a religion, China saw only on the globe. Actor should have known that Confucianism is a socio-ideological doctrine into which the religious component was integrated. Before writing a blizzard, the author should at least read about what Confucius wrote. So I want to kagaeaemnut and write that the author is an eccentric.