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Rogozin: the project of development of the Northern Sea Route "requires comprehensive revision"

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The development project of the Northern Sea Route needs to be improved, especially in terms of tariff policy and order placement, TASS Statement by Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.


Rogozin: the project of development of the Northern Sea Route "requires comprehensive revision"


“Obviously, the project requires comprehensive revision and should correspond to the role that the Northern Sea Route can and should play in the fate of the Arctic and in general, in the competitive opportunities of our country,” said Rogozin at a meeting of the Maritime Collegium and the Presidium of the State Commission for the Development of the Arctic. “Of course, the development of the Northern Sea Route is a large-scale task, and if we start with something, then it is with the tariff policy and coordination of placing orders for carriers and government customers, reducing the so-called“ dead freight ”.”

He also called for quick completion of the work on refining baselines along the Arctic coast.

“At present, as you know, there is a list of geographical coordinates-points defining the position of baselines approved by the USSR Council of Ministers, and it does not correspond to the modern physiographic situation and, of course, the fundamental interests of the Russian Federation in the Arctic region. I ask the Ministry of Defense, to whom 1, 2013, was charged by the Prime Minister of the Russian Federation to prepare the corresponding project by the fourth quarter of 2015 in March, to inform about the progress of work to clarify the position of the baselines along the Arctic coast. It is necessary to complete this work, ”said Rogozin.

According to him, 145 projects were selected for implementation in the Arctic zone.

“The State Commission instructed the Ministry of Economic Development to create a list of projects and ensure monitoring of their implementation. According to the materials presented by the Ministry of Economic Development, 145 projects with total funding 4,87 trillion were included in the list of projects. rubles, of which almost 4 trillion rubles are extra-budgetary sources, ”said the Deputy Prime Minister.

He also urged to properly organize the work on the creation of railway. Highways White Sea - Komi - Ural (Belkomur).

“We are for this project (Belkomur), but we need to organize the work properly, and not some one-off actions and events. We need to create a pool of interested parties and not feed ourselves with illusions about a good uncle who will come from somewhere in China or from some other country, ”Rogozin said.

“We do not have good uncles, our uncles are all unkind, everyone considers his penny and yuan, dollars or euros,” he added.

According to him, "investors will only come to this project when they realize that they themselves need it, then they will feel interested in it."
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Donat Sorokin / TASS
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  1. sa-ag
    sa-ag 24 May 2016 17: 35
    +2
    "Rogozin: the project for the development of the Northern Sea Route" requires a comprehensive revision "

    "And we do not dream about the roar of cosmodromes ..." :-)
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 24 May 2016 18: 11
      +2
      Well, very pragmatic. And, in another way it will not work.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 24 May 2016 19: 41
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        It is not necessary to deal with comprehensive improvements, but to build support bases, so that in the event of a breakdown, help merchant ships. And consider the northern sea route to begin to work. Our icebreaking fleet is the largest in the world, so we can conduct ships.
        1. sherp2015
          sherp2015 24 May 2016 20: 18
          +3
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          It is not necessary to deal with comprehensive improvements, but to build support bases, so that in the event of a breakdown, help merchant ships. And consider the northern sea route to begin to work. Our icebreaking fleet is the largest in the world, so we can conduct ships.

          Once we had the largest fishing fleet in the world. And where is he?
        2. In100gram
          In100gram 24 May 2016 21: 12
          +2
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          It’s not necessary to deal with comprehensive development, but to build support bases

          Building without a project and without plans will not work. And revision of plans, i.e. their clarification, taking into account modern military interests, must be done. This is what we are talking about. Further control over the implementation of the plan, and the punishment of those who confuse the state "wool" with personal.
        3. clidon
          clidon 24 May 2016 22: 06
          +3
          Will the ships go there? This is despite the fact that now the main emphasis has been placed on large container ships, but such will not pass along the Northern Sea Route. This is not to mention that the wiring conditions are somewhat different from the southern ones.

          In the meantime, pragmatism shows up such an atomic lighter carrier is being driven to the land of Franz Joseph so that he will bring 7 thousand tons of materials to the military and take out 2 thousand tons of scrap metal. That's the whole profitability.
  2. Igor V
    Igor V 24 May 2016 17: 44
    +2
    The Northern Sea Route is one of the few pillars to which we remain a priority. If we continue to pull the bagpipes, then the Chinese are already building icebreakers. We do not have time to look around. And to those who do not understand the importance of the Northern Sea Route, I suggest looking at the globe: the distance between the meridians there is much less than anywhere else near the equator.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 24 May 2016 17: 46
    +10
    Of all the prime minister's deputies, Rogozin is somehow lightweight, or something. He talks too much, too vague and irrelevant. Well, what did he give out now? That "Sevmorput" should be equipped, and money should "not good uncles" bring? And how much does Russia need that NOT OUR ships sail along our northern shores? Are we going to develop our merchant fleet at all? And how will Yamal-LNG transport gas? We need ice-class container ships, there are none in the world. This is a huge business model, but it can turn out to be a huge bummer. Well, not Rogozin, IMHO, to engage in such projects. After I had failed the construction site of Vostochny, I would have sat as quietly as a mouse under a broom.
    1. 3officer
      3officer 24 May 2016 17: 51
      +8
      As one acquaintance said: "I asked the engineer a question, but I got the answer from the locksmith"
    2. vsoltan
      vsoltan 24 May 2016 18: 52
      +2
      mountain shooter

      Did Rogozin ruin the construction of Vostochny? Where did you get this? Themselves there in business? And also - "lightweight deputy prime minister" .... well, name at least one heavyweight, I, bad, do not know. ... thieves like Sechin? Similar?
      And the Northern Sea Route does not need to be finalized? Sat down - let's go?
      At VO for a long time, and frivolous judgments. It should be flocking, Eugene.
  4. Grbear
    Grbear 24 May 2016 17: 55
    +11
    The State Commission instructed the Ministry of Economic Development to compile a list of projects and ensure monitoring of their implementation ...

    And I would start with the work of the UK in relation to the Ministry of Economic Development ... hi
  5. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 May 2016 17: 55
    -5
    Yes Yes. You are right, oh wise one. For 100 years, the NSR has been mastered, tested, described, investigated, well, in short, there is no possibility. But the German raider in 1939 spent and threw their boats. What rubbed glass. The Chinese are equipping for 2 Broadway novations.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 24 May 2016 18: 07
      +1
      What are you talking about? The Northern Sea Route worked and is working. The point is to provide it with more modern navigation, according to the current hydro, glacio and climatic conditions, and logistics.
  6. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 May 2016 18: 02
    -5
    "The project for the development of the Northern Sea Route needs improvement, especially in terms of tariff policy and placing orders," Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin reports to TASS. "
    Well then. He is right. Tariff policy, orders. And the fact that the transfer of warships back and forth, where it seems to be also in the subject, and suddenly the tariff. It's not about defense, but about dough. And Ragozin looted, in all his glory.
  7. 31rus2
    31rus2 24 May 2016 18: 08
    +9
    Dear, this is not the first time they are trying to revive this project, until there is a "master", that is, a person responsible for the development, implementation, implementation of this project, there will be no sense, we will throw money into a myth, further more, the development strategies of the Northern Sea Route should be combined with development North and the transport route by land (auto, but mainly railway directions), if we can create a system (reasonable price, adherence to delivery times, flexible pricing policy, insurance, legal and other types of escorts), the prospect is obvious and, most importantly, safety
  8. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 May 2016 18: 09
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    "At present, as you know, there is a list of geographic coordinates-points that determine the position of the baselines, approved by the Council of Ministers of the USSR, and it does not correspond to the modern physical and geographical situation and, of course, the fundamental interests of the Russian Federation in the Arctic region."
    This is a gem: "and it does not correspond to the modern physical and geographical situation and, of course, the fundamental interests of the Russian Federation in the Arctic region." That's about the fundamental interests of the Russian Federation, for more details please and about how the USSR rudely ruined them? Here there were, there were fundamental interests, but here ... well, I can't even imagine how a pimple can have fundamental interests.
  9. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 May 2016 18: 15
    +3
    "Currently, as you know, there is a list of geographical coordinates-points that determine the position of the baselines, approved by the Council of Ministers of the USSR, and it does not correspond to the modern physical and geographical situation.
    Maybe we will say directly: About the rally, About the bali, About the given, or will we muzzle? By the way, the points acted before your arrival and not one bastard did not dispute them. So maybe it's not about the points?
  10. 31rus2
    31rus2 24 May 2016 18: 18
    +1
    Dear, I mean the evidence that Russia provided on the Arctic shelf, that is, our Arctic zone will increase significantly, and that’s what we’re talking about, it’s only our quickness that doesn’t surprise, it had to be done yesterday
  11. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 24 May 2016 18: 31
    +3
    No words, the Arctic needs to be developed at an accelerated pace. And even here, the Americans are already "completely" curtailing our blood. [Quote] [quote] Today, in the circumpolar zone, there is a significant lag in the construction of support highways and nodes, and vehicles of all types are morally and physically obsolete. There is also a lack of technology that can work in extreme conditions. Aviation is also in a crisis state. The Arctic transport system of the Northern Sea Route, created over decades, which includes seaports, fairways, hydrometeorological and hydrographic services, lags far behind the current level economically and technically. For many years, the NSR ensured the transportation of goods for the development of the Arctic zone of Russia, the export of goods from Europe to Japan , China and vice versa, served several industrial zones of the Soviet Union, where non-ferrous, rare-earth metals, valuable minerals and hydrocarbons were mined (sowing polar regions of the European part of Russia west-nosibirsky oil and gas sector, Norilsk industrial assembly, industrial complexes of north-east Russia). However, the economic reforms of the 90's. in fact, this transport system was in decline, and the volume of cargo transportation via the NSR was reduced to a minimum. Russia opened the Northern Sea Route for piloting foreign ships, setting some restrictions, since a significant part of the NSR is under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation3. In 2001 was A non-profit partnership was created to coordinate the use of the Northern Sea Route, which unified 33 organizations. Until now, navigation in the Arctic has been difficult due to prolonged freezing, but climate warming can change this situation. According to some scientists, in 40-50 years, navigation along the Northern Sea Route will become year-round. Moreover, some believe that movement along it without ice will become possible by the 2020-2025 years. Since this route is significantly shorter than other transport Euro-Asian corridors (for example, the distance from St. Petersburg to Vladivostok along the Northern Sea Route is 14,28 thousand km, through the Suez Canal - 23,20 thousand, and around the Cape of Good Hope - 29,4 thousand km.), the value of the NSR can significantly increase. Nevertheless, in recent years, the previous volume of traffic along the Northern Sea Route could not be restored, since during the period from 1987 to 1999 it decreased almost 4,5 times - from 6,6 million. up to 1,5 million so However, by 2020 it is planned to increase it to 50 million so In the future, to 2015-2020. up to 20 million tons per year, the volume of export transportation of liquefied natural gas from the Yamal Peninsula will increase to 13 mln. t - gas condensate from the Ob and Yenisei regions, and oil from the fields of the Timan-Pechora basin - up to 25-30 mln. so The volume of transportation of mineral fertilizers, nickel, and timber will increase. In addition, as a result of the development of the natural resources of the North, transportation of machinery and equipment will also grow. Of course, such an increase in cargo flows is possible only if the necessary investment is available. The weakest point of the NSR is the state of the icebreaking and Arctic transport fleets, as well as the northern ports of Russia. Today, in this region there are 7 nuclear and 4 diesel icebreakers owned by Atomflot, a member of the Rosatom system. At the same time, according to experts, 3 universal modern nuclear icebreakers, 4 diesel linear icebreakers, 3 diesel supply icebreakers, 2 diesel auxiliary ships for Norilsk Nickel and 4 port icebreakers in Arkhangelsk and Dixon should operate on the Murmansk-Dudinka section . But the commissioning of the first modern icebreaker is planned for 2015, and only to 2020. there will be three of them.
  12. loginovich
    loginovich 24 May 2016 18: 34
    +5
    Quote: sa-ag
    "Rogozin: the project for the development of the Northern Sea Route" requires a comprehensive revision "

    "And we do not dream about the roar of cosmodromes ..." :-)



    The largest specialist in space launches and shipping. I mean that the education of this specialist is accounting. The investor will save us, abroad will help us, and nothing new.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 24 May 2016 18: 53
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      Quote: loginovich
      The largest specialist in space launches and shipping. I mean that the education of this specialist is accounting.

      It does not matter. The important thing is that even Rogozin-papa steered in the defense industry during the Soviet era.)) True, as I understand it, during the time of M.S. Gorbachev ... ((
  13. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 24 May 2016 18: 35
    +5
    A foreign shipper, using the Northern Sea Route, can accelerate the delivery of goods by 15 days and save up to 500 thousand dollars on each flight. The remuneration of Russian icebreakers for the pilotage of one vessel may amount to more than 100 thousand dollars. However, foreign carriers are in no hurry to take this route: the risks are too great, and insurance companies do not agree to conclude contracts with those who want to use the northern passage. The navigation equipment of the NSR is aging and aging every year. The federal target program "Modernization of the transport system of Russia (2002-2008 gg.)" Provided for the development of all types of transport, including serving areas of the North, but its implementation could not significantly fix the situation on the Northern Sea Route. Today, the world has a different view of the future SMP status. Russia considers it to be its own transport communication. The United States, Canada and the Scandinavian countries propose to “internationalize” the Northern Sea Route, and to create a transarctic consortium for international management, thereby pushing Russia away from the leadership of the NSR, developing operational and tariff policies. Hence, in fact, the requirement to “open borders” in the Arctic or divide it in such a way that if not the entire NSR, then at least some of its sections are outside the Russian borders. The main argument of the supporters of such projects is that the arteries of global importance cannot be the "prerogative" of one country.
    In the United States, Russia's position on the Northern Sea Route causes open discontent. The American expert community, supported by members of the political elite, insists on the need to maximize the "internationalization" of the NSR, which for the United States will mean the right to freely use this transport corridor. In the report of the US Commission on Arctic Research "Arctic Ocean and Climate Change: A Scenario for the US Navy" published in 2002, it is expressly stated that the contradictions around the NSR are becoming an important item on the agenda of Russian-American relations. "The United States continues to insist that the ice-covered straits of the NSR are international and constitute a transit entity."
    A cross-polar aircraft bridge, the shortest route between North America and Asia, also passes through the Arctic and Russian territory. The current project “Circumpolar Air Lines” is aimed at its development. The North-South cross-polar routes connecting the USA and Canada with the countries of Southeast Asia and China through Yakutia are also of particular interest to the international aviation community. It is clear that ensuring flight safety over the Arctic territories requires a sufficiently large investment in the development of airport infrastructure. The development of international transit corridors - the Northern Sea Route and the air bridge between North America and Southeast Asia - can turn Russia into one of the leading operators of international transport flows, which will provide additional revenue to the country's budget. According to experts, it is now necessary to adopt a federal the law “On the Northern Sea Route”, create the administration of the Northern Sea Route (and transfer to this control body all linear Arctic icebreakers), as well as adopt the new “Rules for Navigation along the Northern Sea Route”, develop a concept th SME development and a comprehensive program of modernization of the Arctic transport system, which can be included in the sub-program "International transport corridors" as the Eurasian transport corridor. [/ quote]
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 24 May 2016 22: 25
      +1
      Quote: LÄRZ
      A foreign shipper, using the Northern Sea Route, can accelerate the delivery of goods by 15 days and save up to 500 thousand dollars on each flight.


      Can not
      And the point.

      But I will explain.
      The ice fields (which are always present) do not allow the transoceanic container ships to sail freely.
      Icebreakers are useless when posting transoceanic container ships.

      Все.
      Zilch.
  14. Galleon
    Galleon 24 May 2016 18: 36
    +6
    Maybe someone understood: what initial lines at Rogozin have changed, without which nothing can be done? request Baseline of what: coastline, fairways ?? Railway from Arkhangelsk to Vorkuta via Ukhta - 1300 km? They are all in favor, but for what? Now I glanced at the map - there are very few settlements, but what to transport along it? But won't the railroad take over the lion's share of the "northern delivery" to the Urals, thereby undermining shipping? After all, until now the entire Northern Sea Route is a seasonal provision for the circular activity of the northern expeditions. If only they told me what they want, otherwise I only understood one thing: they want to put 870 billion of budget money there in the hope that private investors will crash there ... (drum drrrrrob !!) 14 trillion rubles. bully
    A field of miracles with some Yakubovich fellow
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 24 May 2016 19: 29
      +2
      The NSR is the traffic flow from the European part of the country to Siberia and further to the end of the geography, and back. As you know, the great rivers of Russia, besides the Volga, flow to the north and flow into the Arctic Ocean. They use this wonderful property when transporting goods along the NSR. The city of Krasnoyarsk, for example, can hardly be called a "northern expedition". For those who compare railway transportation with sea transportation, please compare the carrying capacity and workload of the lines, as well as the cost of t * km. The strategic importance of the NSR and the northern territories is not a secret for anyone. In the 1920s, the young Soviet republic was able to defend the north from the Americans, Amundsen, Germans and others, will we really derail everything in the 21st century?
  15. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 May 2016 19: 02
    +1
    1. "145 projects with a total funding of 4,87 trillion rubles, of which almost 4 trillion rubles are non-budgetary sources," the Deputy Prime Minister said.
    Extrabudgetary sources. More details please.
    2. “We do not have good uncles, all uncles are unkind, everyone considers their own penny and yuan, dollars or euros,” he added.
    He added and did not understand what. This is not a disease. and the mentality of talkers. The coo brings them into such blue heights that one can no longer see from there what he started talking about. Well unkind uncles with Euros and dollars, I understand that, but the yuan fell under the distribution, our pennies. So where did the budget penny of 4 trillion come from? Alas, there is no fantasy.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 24 May 2016 19: 16
      +1
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      So where did the budget penny of 4 trillion come from? Alas, there is no fantasy.

      I'm afraid this is exactly the case when wishful thinking is passed off as reality. It's just that Dmitry Olegovich would very much like to have such extrabudgetary sources. However, another option is also possible. Since the uncles are "unkind", then having invested money they will demand a return on their investment and want to see the promised profit. And the "smiling Chubais" option is unlikely to work. This is where the main flaw in the project arises - how will you have to pay? ...
  16. fa2998
    fa2998 24 May 2016 19: 18
    +3
    Quote: Igor V
    The Northern Sea Route is one of the few pillars

    Remember, from the Soviet past, "Moscow is the port of five seas." How many people have been ruined, and the means, resources are immeasurable, I don’t see the queue to sail eg. Norway to Persia
    Quote: Igor V
    If we continue to pull the bagpipes, then the Chinese are already building icebreakers

    So how to build it, they will immediately go to the TERRITORIAL AND ECONOMIC zones of Russia, without ground infrastructure. Dreamers!
    Quote: Igor V
    on the globe: the distance between the meridians there is much less than anywhere else near the equator.

    You know, before this grace, you first need to sail to the North of Europe, go around Scandinavia and go to almost lifeless places, and after Bering, too, again to the uninhabited places of Chukotka, Kamchatka, Kuril. The distance is huge! You know, any minibus transports there are more passengers per trip than an intercity bus. It has dozens of stops, someone gets off, someone gets in. It is rare to find passengers from point A to Z. All shipping companies, freight carriers, for example, visit the sea of ​​ports on the way from Rotterdam to Shanghai, unload- loaded. They will reach yet, they already have a cargo turnover of thousands of tons. On the way of the country where the population totals-BILLIONS.
    Yes, for Russia, the NSR is NECESSARY, for the development of the North and the Far East. Obtaining resources from there, well, to the military. We still have to think about commerce — foreign navigators are unlikely to go in a jamb! recourse hi
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 24 May 2016 19: 33
      +2
      Remember, from the Soviet past, "Moscow is the port of five seas." How many people have been ruined, and the means, resources are immeasurable, I don’t see the queue to sail eg. Norway to Persia
      So, after all, they built it not from Norway to Greece, but to make it more convenient from Arkhangelsk to Kazan.
      Quote: fa2998
      Yes, for Russia, the NSR is NECESSARY, for the development of the North and the Far East. Obtaining resources from there, well, to the military. We still have to think about commerce — foreign navigators are unlikely to go in a jamb!

      The struggle for Arctic resources will probably bring some changes to the situation. but otherwise, everything is correct. NSR is needed primarily for the development of Russia, the development of its northern territories. Because when you look at the map - uninhabited territories, abandoned villages and cities, and the almost complete absence of a transport network ...
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 24 May 2016 22: 33
        +1
        Quote: Verdun

        The struggle for Arctic resources will probably bring some changes to the situation. but otherwise, everything is correct. NSR is needed primarily for the development of Russia, the development of its northern territories. Because when you look at the map - uninhabited territories, abandoned villages and cities, and the almost complete absence of a transport network ...


        I believe that the NSR is not needed.
        Need a railway.

        You just need to take into account the latest experience of the Chinese, who recently built a railway to Tibet.
        Quote: "The length of the railway is 1142 kilometers. 45 stations were organized on this section, 38 of which were automatic, without attendants. The Tibetan mainline from Golmud rose from an altitude of 2800 meters above sea level to the Tang-La pass (5072 meters) and then again descended to Lhasa (3642 meters). About 80% of the entire new section (960 kilometers) passed through rugged high-mountainous areas at an altitude of over 4000 meters above sea level, of which about 550 kilometers were located in the permafrost zone. "

        http://fishki.net/1392231-kak-kitajcy-postroili-zheleznuju-dorogu-v-tibet.html
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 25 May 2016 10: 51
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          Quote: mav1971

          I believe that the NSR is not needed.
          Need a railway.

          This is a narrow and limited view of things. Moreover, the construction of railways is difficult for climatic and geological reasons. But even so, we need the NSR, the railroad, the road network, and the airfields ... To develop transport support is one-sided - a vicious approach.
          1. mav1971
            mav1971 25 May 2016 13: 11
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            Quote: Verdun
            Quote: mav1971

            I believe that the NSR is not needed.
            Need a railway.

            This is a narrow and limited view of things. Moreover, the construction of railways is difficult for climatic and geological reasons. But even so, we need the NSR, the railroad, the road network, and the airfields ... To develop transport support is one-sided - a vicious approach.


            Again.
            Let's do it without populism and projection - write down the reasons why you need to develop the NSR.
            Why should people go there to live?
            How will you attract them there?
            What will they do and what kind of activity?
            What products to produce?
            What infrastructure do you want to develop there?

            Will their products be in demand and where?
            At what prices?
            How will you "close" the eternal winter and night of 9 months?
            What will be the cost of building houses there?
            What will be the cost of life support (light, heat, water, sewage) there?
            What will be the cost of the products there?

            I will write a hundred or two more questions of such "everyday" things ...
            But they are vital.
            Not searchlight.
            Can you answer?
            1. Verdun
              Verdun 25 May 2016 15: 05
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              Quote: mav1971
              Quote: Verdun
              Quote: mav1971

              I believe that the NSR is not needed.
              Need a railway.

              This is a narrow and limited view of things. Moreover, the construction of railways is difficult for climatic and geological reasons. But even so, we need the NSR, the railroad, the road network, and the airfields ... To develop transport support is one-sided - a vicious approach.


              Again.
              Let's do it without populism and projection - write down the reasons why you need to develop the NSR.
              Why should people go there to live?
              How will you attract them there?
              What will they do and what kind of activity?
              What products to produce?
              What infrastructure do you want to develop there?

              Will their products be in demand and where?
              At what prices?
              How will you "close" the eternal winter and night of 9 months?
              What will be the cost of building houses there?
              What will be the cost of life support (light, heat, water, sewage) there?
              What will be the cost of the products there?

              I will write a hundred or two more questions of such "everyday" things ...
              But they are vital.
              Not searchlight.
              Can you answer?

              I can. Let's start with the fact that the development of the NSR is an opportunity to provide the country with seafood fished in this region at a low price. And not only. The rivers flowing into the Northern Arctic are rich in commercial fish species, but there is no possibility of delivery. The Arctic is rich in valuable minerals. Back in the seventies, technologies were being developed that could provide the Arctic region with housing and energy. For example - geothermal power plants. There is nothing supernatural in these technologies. And to attract people, as elsewhere, you need to pay with money, work, decent living conditions. It is clear that migrant workers will not be able to master it. But, without a transport network, nothing will work. What do you think, during the Soviet era, the state developed the Arctic and paid people "northern" allowances for the sake of populism? Populism began under Gorbachev, when they began to regularly disrupt the northern delivery. Another thing is that our current laws, which make only "buy-sell" activities a priority and economically efficient, make it practically impossible to develop not only the Arctic, but also much more accessible regions. And if nothing is done, the whole country, sooner or later, will go under the hammer. And it will not be us Russians who will master it, but completely different people ...
              1. mav1971
                mav1971 25 May 2016 20: 06
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                as I knew, one populism and complete ignorance of the economy.

                How long will it be necessary to catch muksun to ensure the economic feasibility of the NSR?

                Are you ready to lose half of your salary or pension so that someone in the north gets a huge salary, has 2 months of vacation?
                He did not deserve a high salary - after all. what it produces there, you don’t need nafig on the mainland, and if muksun - at the price of 1000 rubles per kilogram - then nobody needs it at the same price.
                And he will not be cheaper.
                It is necessary for the fisherman to pay thousands of 100, and icebreakers to pay, and they are in operation at 2-3 billion a year.
                and where does the money come from?
                From the state budget?
                so from there the pensions and salaries of the military or state employees.
                That means. to pay in the north - do you have to take this money from someone?
                It doesn’t work out differently. No way.
                And state employees from us, kindergartens don’t get much. 5-7 thousand in Samara, the rate of education.
                Do you want to rob her?
                She also has her own children - they also need to eat.
                And maybe they also want the sea, but with such a salary - it's hard.
                And you suggest taking away from them, what would they give to the north?
                And what do you think. who are you after that?
                Are you ready to give half of yours?
    2. Igor V
      Igor V 24 May 2016 23: 13
      +1
      F2998, you know poorly sea shipping. Those who are engaged in cabotage and carry a hodgepodge do not do weather. The weather is made exactly by those who are from point A to point B. This is called established freight traffic. A hodgepodge on the NSR, by the way, a lot. For example, cargo from South Korea to the EU is possible through Suez, Cape Igolny, Panama Canal, but the closest is NSR. And no Somali pirates. How to go around Scandinavia, look on the map, something I don’t see obstacles here. In general, these are common truths, I do not see a topic for debate. If you do not need the NSR, then formulate it and do not answer for the whole country.
  17. Undermined ustoev
    Undermined ustoev 24 May 2016 22: 28
    +1
    According to him, "investors will only come to this project when they realize that they themselves need it, then they will feel interested in it."
    And if you decipher, it is proposed to stupidly sell at a higher price another transport artery of the country for collective use by those who have more money. And who now has a lot of money? I give a hint. There is a lot of money for those whose currencies are used in all world settlements. The ruble is, unfortunately, not such a currency.
    Here it would be necessary to insert a quote from another statesman who recently broadcast on the ASEAN gangway that, they say, Russia does not sell anything, but only buys, but something is lazy, and I do not want to be upset again.
  18. iouris
    iouris 24 May 2016 23: 49
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    We also need to complete the launch site and equip six hundred square meters in Moscow, as well as arrange the production of components for the onboard equipment of reconnaissance satellites, GLONAS, well, and much more. Oh, sorry that life is short. Something reminds comrade Saa..ah, what a wonderful comrade ...
    Tie straighten.