The Russian Defense Ministry denied Stratfor statements about the alleged destruction of Russian military helicopters at the Syrian air base T4

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American analytical agency Stratfor, which is often called an alternative to the CIA, spread the message that ISIL militants allegedly launched an attack on the “military base near Palmyra” in Syria. The text of the message states that the igilovtsy attacked the Syrian military base T4, “possibly” destroying on it 4 Russian Mi-24 helicopters. As a kind of "evidence" Stratfor presents two satellite images of a military facility - from 14 and from 17 May. Detailing the pictures, Stratfor asserts that on the site of Russian attack helicopters that were at the airbase there were charred tracks and craters.

The Russian Defense Ministry denied Stratfor statements about the alleged destruction of Russian military helicopters at the Syrian air base T4


From the material of the American Agency (translation RIA News):
Satellite images taken by Stratfor in conjunction with AllSource Analysis confirm that the T4 airbase suffered serious damage as a result of the shelling of the Islamic State. In particular, four Russian Mi-24s could be destroyed.


The Russian Ministry of Defense has already commented on the American publication. The spokesman for the country's main defense department, Major General Igor Konashenkov, called the publication an propaganda ploy of ISIS, which was “pecked” in the United States.

Press office MO RF:
The authorship of the rumors about the destruction of a unit of Russian military helicopters and two dozen trucks belonged to the propagandists of ISIS, who unsuccessfully tried to "sell" this allegedlynews"about 10 days ago. Photos of the burned aviation and automotive technology at the Syrian air base - the result of stubborn battles for this airfield. Apparently, the dissemination of such information is a feasible, in quotation marks, contribution to the fight against international terrorism from our partners.
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  1. +9
    24 May 2016 16: 43
    How does anyone really want Russia to suffer losses, big losses ...
    But it is worth recognizing the skill of the gunners of ISIS, well covered. So, our guys and the Syrian army are opposed not just by bandits, but by well-organized and trained "barmaley"
    1. +5
      24 May 2016 16: 59
      And what, there may well be losses. Ours are all classified.
      1. 0
        24 May 2016 17: 14
        Quote: Deniska999
        And what, there may well be losses. Ours are all classified.

        This is your classified !!! Ours, no. The facts immediately spread on the table.
        1. +7
          24 May 2016 18: 25
          Quote: meriem1
          This is your classified !!! Ours, no. The facts immediately spread on the table.

          Well, yes, they especially laid out the facts about the su 34 that had been burnt in Syria from a lightning strike that they brought to the Novosibirsk plant.
          Quote: Homo
          Give you a medal for love of the motherland and for patriotism, or vice versa ...? The Russians are lying, but the Americans are honest guys!

          But do you think it turns out that the patriot is the one who denies all the negativity about his country? And our satellites are not disconnected, they are not in orbit, and new ICBMs fly right the first time. So what? No need to stick your head in the sand, there are problems, there are losses, we’ve been fighting for several months now.
          1. +6
            24 May 2016 19: 32
            Quote: almost demobilized
            Well, yes, they especially laid out the facts about the su 34 that had been burnt in Syria from a lightning strike that they brought to the Novosibirsk plant.

            Is it possible in more detail? What brought, in what form? And then curiosity prevailed, like this piece of iron 15 by 25 meters and six meters high for distant lands ... No, seriously curious.
            1. 0
              24 May 2016 20: 08
              You don’t know anything about this, citizen Gadyukin ...
          2. +2
            24 May 2016 20: 07
            No need to ... kid, nothing burned out ... I saw with my own eyes the plane and 23 stars on it-230 sorties.
            1. -1
              25 May 2016 04: 57
              Quote: parafoiler
              No need to ... kid, nothing burned out ... I saw with my own eyes the plane and 23 stars on it-230 sorties.

              Yes, you could see at least 10 sides with different numbers of stars. For example, I saw UFOs 2 times with my own eyes, but this does not mean that Uncle Vanya did not bend Aunt Grusha in the entrance.
          3. +1
            24 May 2016 21: 19
            Quote: almost demob
            Quote: meriem1
            This is your classified !!! Ours, no. The facts immediately spread on the table.

            Well, yes, they especially laid out the facts about the su 34 that had been burnt in Syria from a lightning strike that they brought to the Novosibirsk plant.
            Quote: Homo
            Give you a medal for love of the motherland and for patriotism, or vice versa ...? The Russians are lying, but the Americans are honest guys!

            But do you think it turns out that the patriot is the one who denies all the negativity about his country? And our satellites are not disconnected, they are not in orbit, and new ICBMs fly right the first time. So what? No need to stick your head in the sand, there are problems, there are losses, we’ve been fighting for several months now.

            Can I have a board room in the studio?
      2. +1
        24 May 2016 17: 40
        Quote: Deniska999
        And what, there may well be losses. Ours are all classified.

        Give you a medal for love of the motherland and for patriotism, or vice versa ...? The Russians are lying, but the Americans are honest guys! am
      3. SSR
        +2
        24 May 2016 21: 31
        Quote: Deniska999
        And what, there may well be losses. Ours are all classified.

        Denis, the death of our liaison was not kept there. Technique can be verified on-board. In general, if you secret it, then there are real specialists for a start, but there is no sense for them today. They protect us from freaks sponsored by enemies.
    2. +2
      24 May 2016 17: 12
      Quote: svp67
      How does anyone really want Russia to suffer losses, big losses ...
      But it is worth recognizing the skill of the gunners of ISIS, well covered. So, our guys and the Syrian army are opposed not just by bandits, but by well-organized and trained "barmaley"


      ... Everything is simple and clear! After all, the elections are just around the corner ... and the little people cannot do anything with back-breaking work for the State Department! Where all over the world color revolutions took place ... our shitcrats didn’t have a horse lying around .. As I see now the headlines of liberal publications - "Descendants of the bloody gebny cannot provide proper protection to the VKS contingent in Syria" or "The current government, as always through the ass "And so on !!! BUT provided that everything said in the article is 100% true. And then they smear again ..... So everything is as usual. Informational diarrhea, no evidence.
    3. +1
      24 May 2016 17: 38
      Quote: svp67
      But it’s worth recognizing that the skill of Daesh artillerymen is well covered.

      What are you talking about? They tell you that this is a fake, and you are praising someone who is unknown and why! I am crap from such comments! And the fact that in the first and second photos the helicopters are in the same place - nothing. Praise our people for the accuracy when "parking". Or is it an exhibition, brought it, put it on, and does not touch it for weeks?
      1. +1
        24 May 2016 18: 28
        Quote: Homo
        Praise our people for the accuracy when "parking". Or is it an exhibition, brought it, put it on, and does not touch it for weeks?

        Actually, we stand something like a ceasefire and for about a month now we have not bombarded the barmalei. They were given a term to lay down their weapons. Maybe that's why the turntables are in place.
    4. 0
      24 May 2016 17: 51
      Yes, Stratfor got completely sick after Friedman left them. Under him, they did not notice such dope.
    5. +14
      24 May 2016 18: 08
      Already dismantled by bricks this photoshop. Starting from the fact that there is one and the same pinwheel and ending with the fact that there are fuel trucks between the pinwheels on the first screen, and on the second one they stand there, right on the runway three days later and whole. That is, for three days they did not move.
      Now look at the color of the sand and clay in that area and the color of the runway slabs. And compare with those "photos" in the news. As well as the location of the helicopters.

      1. SSR
        0
        24 May 2016 21: 34
        Your confirms both the scale and the displacement of points and the planes on the right)))
  2. +9
    24 May 2016 16: 44
    Piz-do not toss bags, in short another fake.
    1. +4
      24 May 2016 16: 47
      Well, we must divert attention from the crashes of Turkish helicopters for "technical reasons".
    2. +1
      24 May 2016 21: 23
      Stratfor is not some kind of weft office. So it’s interesting whose helicopters were burned there. ours or Syrian.
  3. +6
    24 May 2016 16: 44
    Oh, how do they want to attribute the military successes to their fosterlings.
    1. +7
      24 May 2016 16: 47
      Miscarriages ....
    2. 0
      24 May 2016 16: 54
      That we pissed off Racca, while the concerts were arranged. It was not necessary to listen to ov about good opposition, but to crush until victory. Now they have intensified, regrouped and are advancing.
      1. +2
        24 May 2016 17: 07
        What to press?
      2. +9
        24 May 2016 17: 24
        Yes, at least ask yourself. If the border with Turkey is not blocked, then the regrouping and replenishment of the barmalei stocks will not stop.
      3. +2
        24 May 2016 17: 44
        Quote: Winter cherry
        Now they have intensified, regrouped and are advancing.

        And far advanced? recourse
  4. +1
    24 May 2016 16: 45
    but the horses of the peremog. no, not so fellow
  5. +3
    24 May 2016 16: 47
    "which was" hooked "in the USA."
    How did they get it? Her ... They themselves developed, they themselves agreed and tried to implement it themselves. That's how it will be right. Yes
    1. +3
      24 May 2016 16: 53
      "... ISIS members attacked the Syrian military base T4, "possibly" destroying 4 Russian Mi-24 helicopters on it. "

      Hybrid warfare in action. No facts, only assumptions. But the sediment remains ...
      1. +1
        24 May 2016 21: 13
        facts - satellite images. Comrades accusers, mind you, the Ministry of Defense does not question the authenticity of the images - they deny that the helicopters are Russian (Syrian or Igilov ?!). And then clay ran already to compare, shadows, etc. At one time, about the storming of Tripoli, they also said that everything with scenery was shot there in Qatar, the pictures were also compared with loops, but it turned out fool
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  6. +2
    24 May 2016 16: 47
    How the "civilized world" wants us to suffer combat losses in Syria, not terrorists.
  7. +9
    24 May 2016 16: 48
    strange like that, the hangar changes its position, but there is no shooting point

    http://twower.livejournal.com/1979481.html#comments

    at the same time, through 3 of the day, the satellite takes exactly the same photo with all the details as before from the same place, and at the same time on the 0 map of movement.
    1. +6
      24 May 2016 18: 32
      what are the wonders of technology ...
      satellite snapped different images with an accuracy of 99,9%
      even the shadows did not change on the bumps



      but he changed the hangars ...



      what a clever
      1. 0
        25 May 2016 04: 14
        Regarding Photoshop. Have you ever noticed that the Press Center of the Moscow Region DOES NOT DENY that the equipment really burned out? They refute only the ownership of this technique (the result of battles at the airfield). That is, there can be a conclusion 2 - (1) the helicopters belonged to ISIS (complete nonsense) and (2) sky-ready helicopters of the SAR Air Force thrown earlier at the airfield. But the second version also does not really believe ...
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  9. +2
    24 May 2016 16: 49
    So is the technique destroyed or not? If so, whose?
    1. +3
      24 May 2016 17: 46
      Quote: Lockout
      So is the technique destroyed or not? If so, whose?

      Wrong formulation of the question. It is correct to ask: "Was there a boy"?
  10. +2
    24 May 2016 16: 51
    Less illusion and peacemaking. Americans are cynical and practical, they bred us, and we drool emotion and concerts. Assad must be bent on a treaty with the Kurds and block the border in Aleppo, and not listen about good opposition. Let's be loose, let’s shake Syria.
    1. +3
      24 May 2016 17: 47
      Quote: Winter cherry
      and we drool emotion and concerts.

      And again about the concert, poorly write?
  11. +31
    24 May 2016 16: 52
    Judging by the images posted by Forstrat, ILIG militants recently bombed Washington and now push Obama’s wife in the ruined capitol.
  12. +9
    24 May 2016 16: 54
    DAMASK, May 24 - RIA Novosti. Helicopters deployed at T4 airbase (Tias) near Palmyra in the Syrian province of Homs were damaged in a fire, a Syrian source at a military airfield told RIA Novosti on Tuesday, commenting on the publication of the American analytical agency Stratfor about shelling the base.


    "The causes of the fire are unknown. It started near the site where there were four helicopters. Fire trucks could not approach the fire site because of the terrorists' mortar shelling. The flames were transferred to the helicopters," the source said.
    According to the source, there were no dead or wounded as a result of the shelling.


    РИА Новости http://ria.ru/syria/20160524/1439072539.html#ixzz49a57F0SL
    1. xan
      0
      24 May 2016 19: 52
      Quote: sa-ag
      РИА Новости http://ria.ru/syria/20160524/1439072539.html#ixzz49a57F0SL

      I can not find this news on the RIA website
  13. +1
    24 May 2016 16: 55
    I do not believe. The crap is complete. Our army has made mistakes from the past. It is unlikely that they would have located their equipment without the appropriate security and in the immediate vicinity (at a distance of fire) from the enemy. I DO NOT BELIEVE!!!
    1. -4
      24 May 2016 17: 25
      Just the front line very quickly approached the base.
  14. +6
    24 May 2016 16: 56
    Now on the hohlyatskiy resource "Korrespondent.net" such a srach began - not one button accordion will be torn off the campaign)) What fools svidomye heads! They have photos there, they show MiG 25s, obviously not ours, but Syrian ones! Draw conclusions. Do not see a provocation - the base is Syrian and they have a lot of them all over the country, which is quite normal!
  15. +9
    24 May 2016 16: 56
    Look and the pictures were immediately presented. And for the shot down "Boeing" in the sky of the Pig-eating State, they use "facts" from social networks and not a single photo.
    1. +5
      24 May 2016 17: 36
      therefore, there is not a single photo that shows Kiev shooting down a Boeing. If Russia was to blame, all the photos would have been published long ago.
      1. +3
        24 May 2016 17: 53
        I agree to 1000% !!!!! And so, in criminal terminology, they simply bazaar like cormorants. But it’s just strange why our side does not blow evidence to the whole world? After all, there is everything, but we are silent, or are they still our partners and friends?
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  16. +3
    24 May 2016 17: 02
    They either have a screen from Lavrov’s non-existent tweeter, or shots from the sandbox, just wonder how easy it is to lie to the whole world and not blush ...
  17. +2
    24 May 2016 17: 03
    MiG-25 is in service with the VKS? I think no. As for the turntables, it's hard to say whose they are, were they destroyed, or is it Photoshop? I wonder how Stratfort shadow CIA could get along so lazy?
    1. 0
      24 May 2016 18: 35
      Quote: Koresh
      MiG-25 is in service with the VKS? I think no.

      What does the MiG-25 have to do with it? what
  18. +3
    24 May 2016 17: 10
    MIG 25 is an aircraft (high-altitude interceptor, sometimes a reconnaissance aircraft). MI-24 - attack helicopter ("crocodile").
  19. 0
    24 May 2016 17: 19
    These analysts have a straight road to soyuzmultfilm 'they draw cartoons well!
  20. +2
    24 May 2016 17: 23
    Quote: Koresh
    I wonder how Stratfort shadow CIA could get along so lazy?

    The CIA found chemical weapons in Iraq. Why is its "alternative" better?
  21. Don
    +3
    24 May 2016 17: 24
    Unfortunately, the news is very similar to the truth. I do not understand your reaction, comrades, from the very beginning of the company it was clear that there would be losses, given the support of the militants in the west. The main thing is that there are no victims, and our military-industrial complex will still produce turntables, even newer and better. Only it is impossible to stop because of this - to crush the beast to victory.
    1. +2
      24 May 2016 17: 33
      Quote: Donskoy
      Unfortunately, the news is very similar to the truth.

      unlikely what
    2. +1
      24 May 2016 17: 43
      They have already lied so many times that they have no faith. That's when our confirm (I'm sure they will not hide), then there will be something to discuss.
  22. +2
    24 May 2016 17: 42
    If the base was fired by the Brahmalia, then the question arises: where are their corpses and destroyed equipment from which they fired at the base?
    After all, they fired, it means not 5 or 10 minutes ... According to anyone, ours would have requested support from the main base in Latakia and would have flown from there within 20 minutes and bombed the attackers, would you agree where they would have hidden in the desert?
    So it looks like a stuffing.
  23. +16
    24 May 2016 17: 43
    they have all messages from unverified sources and social networks ..
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  25. SVD
    +5
    24 May 2016 18: 02
    The photo used is the same. I can’t believe that after three days a satellite can produce an absolutely identical photo in terms of illumination, angle, weather, etc.
  26. -2
    24 May 2016 19: 13
    And what ISIS has already learned to launch their own satellites?
  27. -1
    24 May 2016 19: 21
    These Americans themselves transmitted the coordinates of the base to ISIS, so that they would attack, and from where ISIS knew where the helicopters were.
  28. +1
    24 May 2016 19: 29
    If this is shelling, then where are the craters from the bursting of shells. It seems that they passed with a torch and set fire to it carefully, only the ashes remained. In my opinion, photoshop.
  29. +3
    24 May 2016 19: 30
    Quote: Comrade Glebov
    Comrade Glebov Today, 16:52 New
    Judging by the images posted by Forstrat, ILIG militants recently bombed Washington and now push Obama’s wife in the ruined capitol.

    My favorite landscape, I would have looked and looked, ... and rejoiced! laughing
  30. 0
    24 May 2016 20: 28
    explicit photoshop!
  31. +1
    24 May 2016 21: 51
    You see what accuracy hit, not a single funnel !!! HA HA HA!
    1. -1
      24 May 2016 22: 02
      If you burned ATGMs or from a short distance (the same RPGs), then there will be no funnels.
      1. +1
        24 May 2016 22: 10
        Quote: clidon
        If you burned ATGMs or from a short distance (the same RPGs), then there will be no funnels.

        Is there really such a passage yard that you can approach the distance of an RPG shot? If you look at the photo where the equipment was next to the hangar, then there are visible funnels and even the direction from where the north-west shot was clear. but the accuracy is really surprising. T.ch. xs.
        1. +2
          24 May 2016 22: 20
          Well, if there was any breakthrough, they could run around the field, as it was two years ago in southern Syria. Or a mortar. Offending a helicopter is easy.
          Well, it’s even easier than an ATGM. It has a decent range and high accuracy ... Funnels can even be from detonation of their own ammunition.
          I hope to at least somehow clarify, because the MO explanation is somehow not very convincing.
  32. 0
    24 May 2016 22: 38
    Someone is definitely lying. Let's see who. Of course, the protection of bases should be multi-level.
  33. +1
    24 May 2016 23: 27
    This means that when there are whole helicopters, they are evenly spaced on one line one after another closer to the middle of the runway. And when they are supposedly destroyed, they find themselves exactly in the middle of this strip and two "helicopters" are generally almost aligned to each other. Strangeness already. It should be four accurate hits on them, which is unrealistic. IS fighters probably do not have such high-precision weapons. Obviously "crap"
  34. +2
    25 May 2016 00: 47
    The best way to refute satellite images would be to publish
    Photos of the safe and sound Mi-24 helicopters.
    This is easy to do: send a correspondent - these are our helicopters!
    1. 0
      25 May 2016 19: 35
      And who can guarantee that these are exactly the very helicopters?
  35. +4
    25 May 2016 03: 41
    Quote: jarome
    But I still did not see convincing refutations.

    I support, I also do not see convincing counter-arguments. Moreover, it is impossible to do this in Photoshop - I say this as a confident user of this program, who has made more than one artistic composition on it according to the specifics of his work. In any case, in such quality and with such reliability, where to get the basic textures for such work, it's not that I don’t see any traces of processing (the network has the same pictures with higher resolution, where you can better see). Where did the Mi-24 come from at the airport near Palmyra before the start of battles for it? What nonsense? If it were the sky-ready Mi-24s that had previously been left by the SAR Air Force at this aerodrome, why didn’t ISIS destroy them during the airport’s control? Hoping to recover? Very unlikely. Why not destroyed during the retreat? Helicopters can be seen that they burned down, and not just destroyed by artillery or mortar shelling - it means they were tucked. Unfinished, but refueled helicopters? Oh well. An unfilled helicopter can of course be burned by a direct hit by an ATGM, but why spend this valuable ammunition on broken unfilled helicopters, which ISIS also knows about the sky readiness? In short some kind of clumsy. It is necessary for some of our military commanders in Syria to remove epaulettes and push them in one place for such negligence, and honestly admit the loss of equipment in order to maintain the trust of those who listen to our press center.
  36. 0
    25 May 2016 06: 14
    Helicopters are a reason to "show the whole world" that "the Russians have problems and therefore they are not able to participate on an equal footing in the liberation of Raqqa" ?! "The division of Germany" Syria into "sectors" (protectorates) has begun - the Alawite - Shiite sector of Assad (Iran, Russia); Sunni (Qatar, KSA, Turkey, USA) and Kurdish sector (PKK, USA). The Americans need to seize the blood from the nose "themselves" ("free" Raqqa, Al - Fallujah, Mosul), because the liberation of Palmyra is not even a click on the nose, it is a resounding slap in the face or even a kick in the ass to Obama !!! Even Clinton on this occasion poernichila, not to mention Trump, who said US President nonentity - "Negro" with his "worthless" politics ?! The MOMENT OF TRUTH is coming, because the masks have been dropped and no one is going to play further with marked cards - all means are good in a card game, including deza! Best regards, K.N.K.
  37. Sly
    +1
    25 May 2016 08: 58
    Quote: almost demobilized
    about burnt in Syria from a lightning strike Su 34 which was brought to the Novosibirsk plant.

    Respected! You were asked direct questions:
    Quote: region58
    Is it possible in more detail? What brought, in what form?

    и
    Quote: Muvka
    Can I have a board room in the studio?

    but you ignore them, continuing conversations with other users, and therefore I consider your message a govnovbrosom.
    and to your question:
    Quote: almost demobilized
    What does the MiG-25 have to do with it?
  38. 0
    25 May 2016 09: 14
    In the picture there are traces of fires with soot, but there are no craters from explosions
    in order for the helicopter to be scattered "to shreds" it is necessary to be hit by an aerial bomb, and not by a mine / shell, there should have been skeletons.
    the news http://ria.ru/syria/20160524/1439072539.html gives a hint of arson, which was difficult to put out because of the shelling, i.e. this is not a combat attack, but rather a diversion
    but there are no "bodies" of helicopters, so they got out of the base on their own, apparently the damage was not so serious, otherwise, because there is simply nowhere to hide them in this desert, we would have already been shown close-up pictures
    and all this soot is very easily formed as a result of the burning of a pair of oil barrels and a dozen tires.
    ours confirm the fact of fire and some damage, but nowhere do they say that the equipment is "destroyed". so the americans are trying to inflate the fly to the size of an elephant
  39. +1
    25 May 2016 09: 25
    You can take it as you want. The official information on the deceased 34 did not pass, and the reason is clear to me, I think many also understand it. And I have to dig info, introducing the person who told me this? Dismiss If you have channels, find out for yourself how and who delivered the wreckage, by the way, and find out the number of the board if you need it, but I think that it won’t work, the one who needs to know should know the rest under the subscription, no one has removed the secrecy from events of this kind. Therefore, Ignored these issues.
  40. 0
    26 May 2016 10: 42
    Syria is armed with 24 pieces of export-made Mi-24 (Mi-25D, different in the composition of its on-board devices), standing on the Mig-25 strip additionally confirms the version that the turrets are Syrian.
    What really happened to them is the tenth matter.
    The main thing is that these are not Russian "crocodiles" - which, in fact, was announced yesterday by representatives of the RF Ministry of Defense.
    To the galloping mass of Russophobes - again you have a harassing zrad :)))

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