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US Navy handed over to the destroyer Zumwalt

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The US Navy received a new destroyer USS Zumwalt (DDG 1000), the largest ship of this class ever built, reports Look with reference to Defense Aerospace.


US Navy handed over to the destroyer Zumwalt


According to the portal, "the ship will be commissioned on October 15, after the certification of the crew."

"The crew of the Zumwalt trained diligently for several months, and we are ready and happy to take responsibility for this ship on behalf of the US Navy,"
said the commander of the ship, James Kirk.

He said that the destroyer "will serve 143 man."

Currently, the second and third ships of this project are being built - DDG 1001 (Michael Monsour) and DDG 1002 (Lyndon Johnson).

As previously reported, “the multipurpose ship Zumwalt is intended both for combating enemy ground forces and for fire support from the sea and fighting aviation».

The relatively small crew size (around 140 people) was made possible “thanks to extensive automation”.

The cost of the first destroyer was $ 4,4 billion.
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http://weaponscollection.com
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  1. NEXUS
    NEXUS 24 May 2016 12: 37
    +21
    4,4 billion green candy wrappers. Is this ship worth the money invested in it and time will tell the future. At the same time, reading about Zamvolta, our Leader project is constantly remembered with longing. When will there be a holiday on our street?
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 24 May 2016 12: 41
      +1
      The superstructure is made of wood, the front hemisphere of the ship is not covered by anti-aircraft systems of near radius ... you can still list. The ship could be considered a good prototype, but he went into the series.
      1. Altona
        Altona 24 May 2016 12: 48
        +6
        ShturmKGB
        The superstructure is made of wood, the front hemisphere of the ship is not covered by anti-aircraft systems of near radius ...

        -----------------------
        Considered a coastal shelling ship, but in general junk. It was intended for advanced weapon systems, all kinds of railguns, combat lasers, electromagnetic guns. He also has a power plant like a diesel locomotive. The engine for the electric generator works so that the electricity is filled up. In fact, he received two 155-mm cannons like the Paladin howitzer, firing 100 km with guided projectiles in addition to 80 Tomahawk missiles. That is, the space breakthrough "piu-piu" from the button did not work. And it turned out to be such a big garbage, in which you also have to cut out the engine for repair from the case.
        1. Sagittarius YaNAO
          Sagittarius YaNAO 24 May 2016 12: 54
          +2
          A large hotel, and in rooms with a Jacuzzi with sea salt.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 24 May 2016 13: 28
            +9
            Quote: Sagittarius Yamal
            A large hotel, and in rooms with a Jacuzzi with sea salt.

            I got acquainted with the opinion of experts on this "Zumwalt" - a boat stuffed with electronics. Armament is also kind of at the level:
            Radar weapons - AN / SPY-3;
            Tactical strike weapons - 20 × UVP Mk.57 for 80 Tomahawk, ASROC or ESSM missiles;
            Artillery - 2 × 155 mm AGS AU (920 rounds, of which 600 in automatic loaders);
            Anti-aircraft artillery - 2 × 30 mm AU Mk. 46;
            Missile weapons - RIM-162 ESSM;
            Anti-submarine weapons - RUM-139 VL-Asroc;
            Aviation group - 1 × helicopter SH-60 LAMPS, 3 × UAV MQ-8 Fire Scout ...
            But, there is one but: there are problems with seaworthiness, a kind of "breakthrough" hull, with a good move begins to bury the ship in the sea. In a storm, this ship, according to available data, just drifts ... request
            Experts call it "a suitcase without a handle", they poured money, and how it will show itself in a real situation, no one dares to guess request
            So, it is likely that the "sea salt" you recommend in the jacuzzi may turn out to be prophetic laughing
            "Zumwalt" can from the sea of ​​this salt, at most, I do not want to collect laughing
            1. Altona
              Altona 24 May 2016 14: 25
              +3
              Quote: Andrey K
              Radar weapons - AN / SPY-3;
              Tactical strike weapons - 20 × UVP Mk.57 for 80 Tomahawk, ASROC or ESSM missiles;
              Artillery - 2 × 155 mm AGS AU (920 rounds, of which 600 in automatic loaders);
              Anti-aircraft artillery - 2 × 30 mm AU Mk. 46;
              Missile weapons - RIM-162 ESSM;
              Anti-submarine weapons - RUM-139 VL-Asroc;
              Aviation group - 1 × helicopter SH-60 LAMPS, 3 × UAV MQ-8 Fire Scout ...

              -------------------------
              Which of the following is at the level? Anti-aircraft artillery (2 × 30-mm AU Mk.46) is covered by a superstructure pyramid. Missile armament - RIM-162 ESSM- is it from? From what? Radar weapons - AN / SPY-3 - then why all these edge-stealth? Or let's turn off the radar then. It "burns" brighter than the New Year tree. In general, "such a big garbage, in which you also have to cut out the engine from the case for repair." laughing
              1. Maksus
                Maksus 24 May 2016 14: 57
                +1
                Something I can’t understand how such a hefty fool with flat sides can be a stealth ship?
              2. Andrey K
                Andrey K 24 May 2016 18: 50
                +5
                Quote: Altona

                -------------------------
                Which of the following is at the level? Anti-aircraft artillery (2 × 30-mm AU Mk.46) is covered by a superstructure pyramid. Missile armament - RIM-162 ESSM- is it from? From what? Radar weapons - AN / SPY-3 - then why all these edge-stealth? Or let's turn off the radar then. It "burns" brighter than the New Year tree. In general, "such a big garbage, in which you also have to cut out the engine from the case for repair." laughing

                The question is not at request
                You should ask your "sworn friends" laughing
                Probably afraid of someone, they stuffed everything that is possible into "Zumwalt" request
                Most likely, they will be able to answer you on the forums with the topic of the Navy, I just stated a fact - I have no idea what the gentlemen from the "exclusive nation" wanted to achieve. request
                1. Altona
                  Altona 24 May 2016 19: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey K
                  Most likely, they will be able to answer you on the forums with the topic of the Navy, I just stated a fact - I have no idea what the gentlemen from the "exclusive nation" wanted to achieve.

                  ------------------------
                  They answered these questions long ago. A ship with an "electric transmission", the power plant is sharpened for powerful energy consumers - a railgun (railgun cannon) and a combat laser, which now flies on a Boeing-747 and cannot yet cope with the atmosphere, can only lightly scorch automotive steel (0,6 mm thick). There is nothing serial yet, full-scale tests are underway. So this ship received a "temporary" - a pair of howitzer cannons, a dozen air defense missiles, two rapid-fire riflemen, which placed superstructures behind the "wall" and the good old Tomahawks. And a powerful radar that nullifies all the steath edges of the case. And when this ship is critically close to our coast, well, for 1000 km, then its movements will be tracked and there will be a mark on it as for a potential target. Such is the controversial product.
                  PS This is the case when the weapon has lagged behind the carrier in terms of timing. For which our shipbuilders are often blamed. There is a carrier, there is no new weapon. Or the weapons have not yet been worked out, in the process of testing yet. And he went into the series, apparently because big people "fit in" the project with money and connections. And this "locomotive" must be driven, even if at least as it is.
            2. Pushkar77
              Pushkar77 24 May 2016 15: 36
              +3
              It’s interesting why, for starters, they didn’t run the prototype properly, operated another year or two, and then they would have made an informed decision whether to build or not to build, modify, etc. Money is not acidic and they don’t know how this thing will be behave.
              1. spravochnik
                spravochnik 24 May 2016 16: 01
                +3
                Quote: Pushkar77
                It’s interesting why, for starters, they didn’t run the prototype properly, operated another year or two, and then they would have made an informed decision whether to build or not to build, modify, etc. Money is not acidic and they don’t know how this thing will be behave.

                Yes there was a prototype, only it was small and was tested on the lake.
              2. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 24 May 2016 16: 41
                +1
                Quote: Pushkar77
                It’s interesting why, for starters, they didn’t run the prototype properly, operated another year or two, and then they would have made an informed decision whether to build or not to build, modify, etc. Money is not acidic and they don’t know how this thing will be behave.

                When the watch repels the last moments of existence ... Do you look out the window?
            3. spravochnik
              spravochnik 24 May 2016 16: 00
              +1
              But, there is one thing: there are problems with seaworthiness, a kind of "breakthrough" hull, with a good move begins to bury the ship in the sea. In a storm, this ship, according to available data, just drifts ...
              Experts call it "a suitcase without a handle", they poured money, and how it will show itself in a real situation, no one dares to guess

              This could be immediately assumed. Cutting through the wave is cool, but how to use the weapon at the same time, with such flooding and placing the UVP in double sides. And if all this happens in cold seas and leads to freezing. The whole small crew on the deck with axes and crowbars?
              1. kote119
                kote119 24 May 2016 17: 20
                0
                but like all ships that sail in high latitudes
          2. 341712
            341712 24 May 2016 13: 29
            +4
            Quote: Sagittarius YANAO
            Sagittarius Yamal (1) Today, 12: 54 ↑ New
            A large hotel, and in rooms with a Jacuzzi with sea salt.

            Yeah, the noble barbecue turned out. A little expensive ...)))
          3. marlin1203
            marlin1203 24 May 2016 13: 59
            +1
            He himself is a "jacuzzi with sea salt" ... will ...
          4. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 24 May 2016 16: 40
            +1
            Quote: Sagittarius Yamal
            A large hotel, and in rooms with a Jacuzzi with sea salt.

            "Jacuzzi with salt"? Doctors advise. Another would be mermaids in advance from Poseidon.
        2. godofwar6699
          godofwar6699 24 May 2016 12: 55
          -8
          Railgun will appear soon
          1. W1975
            W1975 24 May 2016 13: 19
            -2
            where does the fire come from the barrel, if it's an electromagnet?
            1. Spitfire
              Spitfire 24 May 2016 13: 53
              +2
              Quote: W1975
              where does the fire come from the barrel, if it's an electromagnet?


              Do not forget about the friction force, especially at such a cosmic speed.
            2. Riv
              Riv 24 May 2016 14: 58
              +3
              Conductive grease. When fired, it warms up and evaporates. Couples are burning. The next projectile is when the rail cools down.
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 24 May 2016 16: 59
                0
                Have you tried it pioneering? They say the effect ...
              2. adept666
                adept666 25 May 2016 11: 36
                0
                Conductive grease. When fired, it warms up and evaporates. Couples are burning. The next projectile is when the rail cools down.
                No.
            3. adept666
              adept666 25 May 2016 11: 35
              0
              where does the fire come from the barrel, if it's an electromagnet?
              spark plasma, which accelerates the projectile.
          2. drunkram
            drunkram 24 May 2016 13: 37
            +2
            it's like an injury among ship guns
          3. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 24 May 2016 13: 54
            +6
            Quote: godofwar6699
            Railgun will appear soon
            How soon? He is! I remember that twenty years ago in Doom2 I drove cacodemons to them. Or was it a plasmagan? smile
            1. shuhartred
              shuhartred 24 May 2016 14: 14
              +2
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              I remember that twenty years ago, in Doom2, I drove them like a demon. Or was there a plasmogan?

              Yes there was nothing like that !!! There was a six-barrel bazooka. You explain to me another. What fright is this a destroyer? I’ve never been a sailor, but the destroyer is a destroyer. Designed for torpedo (mine) attacks and setting minefields. Small, fast and deadly.
              py sy And maybe it was ??? !!! I got confused in games
              1. Mavrikiy
                Mavrikiy 24 May 2016 17: 19
                0
                Quote: shuhartred
                Quote: Ami du peuple
                I remember that twenty years ago, in Doom2, I drove them like a demon. Or was there a plasmogan?

                Yes there was nothing like that !!! There was a six-barrel bazooka. You explain to me another. What fright is this a destroyer? I’ve never been a sailor, but the destroyer is a destroyer. Designed for torpedo (mine) attacks and setting minefields. Small, fast and deadly.
                py sy And maybe it was ??? !!! I got confused in games

                Everything is simple. As you remember then, there was a lot in front of the destroyers, but the figures flew, the ranks thinned. As a result, we have a draft: an increase in displacement to a cruiser, tasks, opportunities "you never dreamed of." Well, in top-down attacks, look for the boy.
                Yes, just labels, since the twentieth year. To launch a mine attack with rapid-fire artillery of 120 mm caliber is already a kamikaze. Yes, they did and there was a need. But the rank remained "destroyer". By the way, a "destroyer" is a destroyer. And he had to drive the shalupon, conduct reconnaissance, and so on and so on. with the squadron ... But life dictates its own law, and here is the Destroyer - a universional ship. (he and your aircraft carrier are against the fence. True, if he was imprisoned)
          4. Kite
            Kite 24 May 2016 15: 02
            +2
            Looking at the video, the question arose: do they demonstrate a shot with a sub-caliber disc because the HE fuse in a strong EM field will work in the barrel? Or explosives and without a fuse boil like in a microwave and blow the barrel?
            It is a little strange that while the main forces of the developers are aimed at developing high-precision weapons, the emphasis in this development is on giving the blank high kinetic energy and defeat on condition of a direct hit.
            1. spravochnik
              spravochnik 24 May 2016 16: 05
              -1
              Railgun shoots blanks. At these speeds, that’s enough.
              1. Kite
                Kite 24 May 2016 20: 27
                -1
                "at such speeds this is enough"
                Quote: Kite
                subject to direct hit.

                micro-bullets in the "powder magazine". Yes? wink
          5. Mavrikiy
            Mavrikiy 24 May 2016 16: 56
            +1
            Quote: godofwar6699
            Railgun will appear shortly [media = https:

            Yes. You are right as always. "Carlson left, but promised to return." For China, 1000 years is not a period, it will live, poor thing. But the United States will be frightened not tomorrow, so after tomorrow. You guys wrote off for unnecessary. "The Moor has done his job ...", "the violinist is not needed."
            Take it easy bedding. Everything has already been sold to you. Finance flows from country to country. Oh, that's me, from bank to bank. And the world cataclysm, like who is the boss? That's simply, death to everyone, and to savings, "honestly earned labor." Do you understand?
          6. Denis DV
            Denis DV 25 May 2016 04: 28
            -1
            Big ship - big lantern laughing laughing laughing
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        3. BilliBoms09
          BilliBoms09 24 May 2016 13: 28
          +5
          The cost of the first destroyer was $ 4,4 billion.
          I read about fifteen years ago, 2 billion Americans cost an atomic aircraft carrier. I understand inflation, but not the same degree, what do they make their destroyers from? Or again drank dough.
        4. demchuk.ig
          demchuk.ig 24 May 2016 13: 29
          +2
          Quote: Altona
          And it turned out a big garbage, which also has to be cut out for repair from the body.

          The larger the cabinet, the louder it falls!
      2. Good_Taxist
        Good_Taxist 24 May 2016 13: 00
        +12
        To a triangular ship - a triangular torpedo ...))))
        1. Cherdak
          Cherdak 24 May 2016 13: 33
          +5
          Quote: Good_Taxist
          To a triangular ship - a triangular torpedo ...))))


          No need to follow the lead of potential ...

          A former alcoholic soared
          Matershinnik and seditious:
          "You have to drink a triangle!
          For three of him! Give it! "
          He broke up and pours:
          "The triangle will be drunk!
          Be it a parallelepiped,
          If he is a circle, a louse is edren! "


          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 25 May 2016 13: 33
            +1
            Well, actually, there will be no such corner reflectors that are on targets here in real life.
        2. shuhartred
          shuhartred 24 May 2016 14: 20
          +1
          Quote: Good_Taxist
          To a triangular ship - a triangular torpedo ...))))

          What is it, to develop a new torpedo? And from the round it will sink, they lit up the glamor here. What happens if the KV-2 hits the Abrams with a HE shell ????
          1. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 24 May 2016 22: 41
            0
            you beat my friend in the tank, there won’t be a hit ... like 704 :)
      3. Che burashka
        Che burashka 24 May 2016 13: 27
        +4
        The question is, how heavily armed is this instance? The cost of RCC is negligible compared to the cost of the ship. In order to build such monsters, you need to have either very good reason, or not have brains. Absolutely. If this is a fashion accessory with conventional weapons for 4,4 billion .... then there are no words. Send yes the bottom of a creative wagon of money with one Bastion, you can imagine no better advertisement.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 May 2016 13: 31
          +4
          Quote: Che Burashka
          The question is, how heavily armed is this instance? The cost of RCC is negligible compared to the cost of the ship.

          Zamvolt is a ship-arsenal, which was thought to be like a fire support ship of a naval group. This is not a Bismarck battleship, and it is certainly contraindicated to go alone. But will our RCC get it if, God forbid, this is a big question .I suppose Zircon is able to handle this.
      4. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 24 May 2016 14: 41
        0
        Not a tree, but a composite, do not mix right away with the dirt. It looks like a year. There you will see what kind of goose.
        1. Altona
          Altona 24 May 2016 14: 53
          +2
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          Not a tree but a composite, do not mix immediately with mud

          ----------------------------
          "Composite" is balsa tree and carbon fiber plastic. The technology of the early 80s, if anyone had semi-plastic skis, plastic skis were "filled" with corrugated cardboard. That's the whole "innovative" technology.
        2. Operator
          Operator 24 May 2016 15: 11
          +1
          The housing and superstructure of Zamvolt are made of steel. The external surface of the superstructure, with the exception of conformal radar antennas, is covered with mats of radio-absorbing material based on carbon fiber and rubber.
    2. gray smeet
      gray smeet 24 May 2016 12: 43
      +14
      Quote: NEXUS
      4,4 billion green candy wrappers. Whether this ship is worth the money invested in it and time will be shown by the future.


      The United States has money (prints), which means that this ship is worth the money invested in it - at least to test all kinds of technological innovations (maybe it’s done for this) - with which this ship will abound! And a negative result is the same result. How would you write if it was a Russian ship?
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 May 2016 12: 50
        +7
        Quote: gray smeet
        How would you write if it was a Russian ship?

        I’m writing, We need a Leader, maybe Sarychi, however, like the Eagles and the Atlanteans are getting old. And the ships of the coastal zone are not able to solve the tasks that are assigned to the ships of the ocean zone.
        1. gray smeet
          gray smeet 24 May 2016 12: 53
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          Quote: gray smeet
          How would you write if it was a Russian ship?

          I’m writing, We need a Leader, maybe Sarychi, however, like the Eagles and the Atlanteans are getting old. And the ships of the coastal zone are not able to solve the tasks that are assigned to the ships of the ocean zone.


          +
          N-yes, while we only look at pictures, from those. characteristics ...
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 24 May 2016 12: 57
            +3
            But I did not understand.
            Are such even flat surfaces on the ship’s hull, isn’t it the perfect mirror for a radar?
            Even if they are at an angle from the vertical, there are radars also on airplanes, and modern radars not only catch direct reflection, but also secondary reflections from the inosphere.
            And he also has a tall superstructure above the deck, also with flat walls.
            They would have drawn a target on it.
            1. Spitfire
              Spitfire 24 May 2016 13: 59
              +1
              Quote: Shurik70
              But I did not understand.
              Are such even flat surfaces on the ship’s hull, isn’t it the perfect mirror for a radar?
              Even if they are at an angle from the vertical, there are radars also on airplanes, and modern radars not only catch direct reflection, but also secondary reflections from the inosphere.
              And he also has a tall superstructure above the deck, also with flat walls.
              They would have drawn a target on it.


              To catch a "bunny" from a flat surface, you need to be at an angle of exactly 90 degrees - is this realistic for the same aircraft? And in the superstructure he also has the radar station hidden.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 24 May 2016 12: 59
            +11
            Quote: gray smeet
            N-yes, while we only look at pictures, from those. characteristics ...

            And not only with the Leader, but also with the Shkval, the aircraft carrier Storm, the MAPL Husky, the submarine Kalina ... Ash trees were "moved", with Lada they still cannot give birth. But in fact, there is only one Lada, one Ash .. why should be happy then?
            1. Sagittarius YaNAO
              Sagittarius YaNAO 24 May 2016 13: 12
              +1
              "With Lada they still can't give birth. But in fact there is only one Lada, one Ash ... why should we be happy?"
              If we suddenly have everything all in a much larger volume, this will not change much, because it is ALL that needs to be applied, and our policy is peaceful, as they wailed on us so they will be for now. You need to do your job without straining your ridge, so that they also feel that Russia does not do much, but with high quality.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 24 May 2016 13: 17
                +2
                Quote: Sagittarius YANAO
                You need to do your job without straining your ridge, so that they also feel that Russia does not do much, but with high quality.

                Correctly set out ... just tell me how old the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet is Moscow? And it’s worth it to strain me. Ships are aging like people. And modernization is akin to plastic surgery in humans. But there comes a time when the navel from such operations is on the forehead and It doesn’t look very good.
            2. g1v2
              g1v2 24 May 2016 15: 18
              +4
              The leader - after 2019, they will lay it (in the state defense order), huskies - after the completion of the ash production and the readiness of the project for the year 2025 approximately. Kalina - when the non-volatile engine is ready - maybe in 2020, maybe sooner. Flurry and Storm - for export, for themselves will not be built for sure.
              Ash 4 is under construction, after launching the water in Kazan, they will lay Perm (tentatively at the end of July). The same with the Boreas - they will launch “Prince Vladimir” - they will lay “Prince Pozharsky” at the end of the year. In general, now 10 apl - 4 ash, 4 borea and 2 apr special projects (Belgorod and Khabarovsk) are being built simultaneously on the Sevmash. There are no seats . PM after launching under construction apl - lay new ones.
              Lada - a transitional project to Kalina. 2 is under construction, but they are unlikely to be mortgaged. They will wait for Kalina, but for now, 6 pilgrims for tof will be laid on AB.
              But in general, now, not counting the auxiliary boats, 42 surface warships (of which 19 are of the second rank), 10 apl, 4 däps, and 30 auxiliary ships, of which 3 are reconnaissance and ocean scientific, are being built at the same time. Bookmarks until the end of the year will be. If this is not a reason to rejoice, then I don’t even know. If for you the fleet is only destroyers, then you seem to be misunderstanding something in it. wink
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 24 May 2016 15: 47
                +2
                Quote: g1v2
                There are no seats

                So I’m talking about that, in addition to ships, new shipyards are also needed. By the way, in Russia today there is no shipyard on which to build an aircraft carrier.
                Quote: g1v2
                Bookmarks until the end of the year will be.

                Certainly, but I repeat, how many Admiral Essen and MAPL Severodvinsk built (did they move the lines for the rest of the Ashes)? And we need not three or even ten, but much more, given the presence of 4 fleets.
                Quote: g1v2
                If this is not a reason to rejoice, then I don’t even know.

                Of course, this is a reason for joy. But I am not only talking about building ships of the coastal zone, but also the ocean one too. We are not building ships of the first rank. Although the same frigates of Project 11356 are equal in firepower and are equal to destroyers of the Allied era.
                Quote: g1v2
                If for you the fleet is only destroyers, then you seem to be misunderstanding something in it.

                Yes, I understand everything. But you won’t be fed up with Varshavyanki alone, and, in conscience, we need Kalina today, however, like Husky.
                1. spravochnik
                  spravochnik 24 May 2016 16: 15
                  0
                  So I’m talking about that, in addition to ships, new shipyards are also needed. By the way, in Russia today there is no shipyard on which to build an aircraft carrier.

                  Why not? Invest, upgrade the Kerch "Bay" or the Admiralty in St. Petersburg and voila. Plus in the Far East "Zvezda" will be completed.
                  Of course, but I repeat, how many Admiral Essen was built,

                  And how much did the Admiral Essen cost?
                2. g1v2
                  g1v2 24 May 2016 17: 17
                  +2
                  We have about 4 dozen shipyards. Orders from mo go to many of them. The aircraft carrier can build a Baltic factory and a new Star in the Far East. However, there are no plans to build an aircraft carrier. The Baltic Shipyard is building a series of nuclear icebreakers for the Northern Sea Route, and Zvezda is building gas carriers and tankers. And this and that is more important for the state at the moment. The northern shipyard is being modernized again.
                  I can throw off the old list of shipyards of the Russian Federation. Only there are no Crimean shipyards yet - a list of 2013.
                  http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/29365/
                  According to Apple, only one Sevmash builds them like that, and it’s not rubber. request 10 pieces - a lot, 2 will be launched, the next ones will be laid - there will already be 12 pieces in the building. Plus on Zvezdochka and Star 9 apl are modernized. The deadlines have moved due to changes in the project, including in connection with import substitution.
                  Essen, by the way, was not built as long as Grigorovich — they were taken for a long time, but in general they were normal in terms of time. “Admiral Makarov” was laid down in 2012, and this is likely to be surrendered - 4 years is normal for the frigate. When the project is completed, it is built quickly.
                  Gorshkov will be tested all year long - after all, the lead ship of the project, in which the hell of new systems. Incidentally, a lot of things are being run around for future leaders on it. Kasatonova will be handed over next year. Well and generally frigates 22350 actually, of course - destroyers of the second rank. At least to Sarycha they are much more powerful, and Japanese destroyers of the second rank too. And this is just the future basis of our ocean fleet. Leaders will not be built in dozens - this is a piece of goods request . Just 22350 will be built for the ocean fleet, and the leaders are essentially an arsenal ship, in all respects a poured cruiser, more powerful than the Atlanteans, but called a destroyer.
                  We just need Varshavyanka because we can build a lot of them - the project has been completed, it is being built quickly. 6 Warsaw women in the Pacific Fleet will dramatically change the balance of power with the Japanese, like 6 Warsaw women in the Black Sea Fleet will change the balance of power with the Turks. Lada is still a transitional project - more automation, a smaller crew, running in new systems. And in terms of combat weight - the same Warsaw, only more advanced.
                  Here Kalina it really will be a qualitative change, but in fact it will be a cheaper replacement for multi-purpose apl. It is necessary, but not critical.
                  Husky is primarily a technological breakthrough. Infa is still small, but there is an option that it will be a universal basis for both strategists and multi-purpose apl. That is, the maximum unification of strategists and maples. The idea is cool, but the project is still in the initial stages, so wait a long time.
                  In principle, according to what is in the state defense order, the main task until 2020 is to put in order the shipyards, where necessary, to modernize them. Other tasks are to build a fleet in the near sea zone, restoring the protective function of the Navy and restore the auxiliary fleet. Orders give minor shipyards - from simple to complex. First tugs and boats, then tankers, weapons ships, etc. From the ships of the far sea zone - while the emphasis is on submarines and ships of the second rank. The first rank is leaders and udk closer to 2019. Although the Project 23550 Universal Patrol Ships in terms of parameters are ships of the first rank, they have a displacement of 6800, like Sarychy’s. laughing By the way, the Admiralty shipyards will be built, which means they can build ships of the first rank. wink
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 24 May 2016 17: 36
                    +1
                    Quote: g1v2
                    22350 will be built for the ocean fleet

                    This is understandable. But the displacement of these frigates is not enough in my opinion. I think if it had been brought to a displacement like Sarychi (6800 tons), it would be better. At the same time, the arsenal would increase, and the location, etc. Although 4500 tons of fairness is also not enough.
                    Quote: g1v2
                    Lada is still a transitional project - more automation, a smaller crew, running in new systems. And in terms of combat weight - the same Warsaw, only more advanced.

                    Absolutely.
                    Quote: g1v2
                    Husky is primarily a technological breakthrough. Infa is still small, but there is an option that it will be a universal basis for both strategists and multi-purpose apl.

                    I don’t think so. Husky is likely to be an economical version of the same Yaseney-M, only advanced in electronics, SU, stealth, etc. But this does not mean at all that they will not become the basis of the nuclear submarines of our fleets. Zircon is made of it and I think something is the same long-range, but with nuclear stuffing.
                    Quote: g1v2
                    Other tasks are to build a fleet in the near sea zone, restoring the protective function of the Navy and restore the auxiliary fleet. Orders give minor shipyards - from simple to complex. First tugs and boats, then tankers, weapons ships, etc.

                    Yes, yes, that's right. But the adversary rivets not only arsenal ships, but also MAPLs and aircraft carriers. And he doesn’t give us time at all.

                    Quote: g1v2
                    Although the universal patrol ships of Project 23550 in terms of parameters are ships of the first rank, they have a displacement of 6800, like Sarychy’s

                    Not quite so. The displacement of the ships of the project 22350 4500 tons. wink
                    Quote: g1v2
                    By the way, the Admiralty shipyards will be built, which means they can build ships of the first rank.

                    Let's hope that by the 19th year something will be decided on ships of the first rank. hi
                    1. g1v2
                      g1v2 24 May 2016 20: 04
                      +1
                      Displacement is not an end in itself. On the contrary, if you can cram everything you need into a smaller displacement - it's cooler. The main thing is that autonomy does not suffer, but the trick is precisely in greater automation and reduction in crew, respectively.
                      According to Husky, the information is minuscule, PM wrote that he had heard.
                      I wrote about the Project 23550 Universal Patrol Ships, and not the 22350 frigates. belay Patrolmen 23550, who ordered AB in a quantity of 2 pieces, had a displacement of 6800 tons - approximately like the destroyers 956 Sarych (6600). And the frigates 22350 - yes, 4500t.
        2. enot73
          enot73 24 May 2016 13: 00
          +3
          Initially, the U.S. Navy hoped to build 32 of these destroyers. However, due to the high cost of new experimental technologies that should be included in the destroyer, on July 22, 2008, it was decided to build only two such destroyers. A few weeks later, it was decided to build a third destroyer of this type.
        3. max702
          max702 24 May 2016 13: 17
          +1
          Quote: NEXUS
          .A ships of the coastal zone are not able to solve the tasks that are assigned to the ships of the ocean zone.

          Answer if it is not difficult what kind of TASKS are these? And please correlate them with the reality of what will happen to planet Earth when they begin to solve these problems ..
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 24 May 2016 13: 20
            +1
            Quote: max702
            Answer if it is not difficult what kind of TASKS are these?

            Then you answer, what tasks did the 5 squadron during the Soviet era? And after its departure the Middle East caught fire. Or am I mistaken?
        4. kepmor
          kepmor 24 May 2016 14: 41
          +6
          Well, even if our USC will give birth to a destroyer of the "Leader" type in the next 5-7 years, and then what?
          He, like Kuznetsov, and Peter will go to combat in a twin-pack with one elderly BOD 1155 or with a new Gorshkov-type frigate, a tanker and a Chiker, so God forbid it does not stall in the middle of the Atlantic, as makes him "big brother" ?!
          Whom can the commander-in-chief put in order with the "Leader" ?! At least 3-4 ships of the ocean zone are needed to provide air defense and anti-aircraft defense!
          And by then we will have 10-15 live BODs and frigates in all fleets in general! The fact that EM 956 before live up to that moment there is no hope.
          And who will go to the security of "Kuznetsov", "Peter", "Nakhimov", "Ustinov"
          , "Varyag" and "Moscow"?
          Now it is more important to create in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet one full-fledged division from the "admiral's series", at least 6 frigates per fleet, to guard the existing bridgeodonts!
          So neither the Leader, nor other projects are a panacea for our fleet.
          Russian Navy stupidly lacks warships ...
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 24 May 2016 15: 25
            +4
            Quote: kepmor
            Well, even if our USC will give birth to a destroyer of the "Leader" type in the next 5-7 years, and then what?

            To begin with, I did not say that frigates do not need to be built. It is necessary and as much as possible! Undoubtedly. The leader is definitely a flagship and of course he needs support. But what prevents them from building squalls with a gas turbine SU and a smaller displacement in parallel with the Leaders ? Yes, the project of the destroyer 23560E Shkval is an export version of the destroyer, but does this really prevent us from building it for ourselves under our tasks and needs? I think not.
            Quote: kepmor
            And who will go to the security of "Kuznetsov", "Peter", "Nakhimov", "Ustinov"
            , "Varyag" and "Moscow"?

            So I’m telling you that our fleet is aging! Nobody says that 50 leaders should be built, given its displacement of 15 tons and nuclear warheads, but we need a series of ten such ships. But squalls with lesser displacement can replace Buzzards, while Leaders will replace the Eagles and Atlanta in the compartment.
            At the same time, we certainly need no less than the 11356 patrol ships, and all this will be the ridge that will provide meaningful construction of the Storm aircraft carrier in the future.
            Quote: kepmor
            So neither the Leader, nor other projects are a panacea for our fleet.

            In a single version, no, in a series and parallel construction, and other ships, yes.
            1. kepmor
              kepmor 24 May 2016 15: 58
              +4
              I agree with you 200%.
              One big BUT ... where to get money and production capacity for our "utopia" ?!
              You yourself see what is happening in our kingdom-state.
              Today, the Cabinet of Ministers announced that there is no money for indexing pensions!
              And we rolled our lips - "Leader", "Shkval", "Lada" with "Ash"!
              The rhetorical question is, where is the money, Zin ?! I don’t think that the Rotenbergs, Timchens, Friedmans and Minkelsons at least somehow care about the fate of the fleet and the country as a whole, as well as our rulers!
              But how many "piggy squeals" in the essence of this article - I'm talking about their "Zumwalt" bridgeodont, which you just can't read in the comments - both the iron and the overkil are guaranteed, and there is no weapon, and blah blah blah ..
              All this reminds of a situation when the owner of an old Zhigulenka talks about the shortcomings of the latest Mercedes model - just anger from his own lack of money!
              Really, most of the commentators do not realize that the Americans are making a huge step into the future with this "iron" - they are actually testing a new sea platform for weapons that are now in development and testing (laser, electromagnet, etc.).
              As they say - in the win is always the one who laughs last!
              The experience of military service is to be ashamed to be afraid of the enemy, but to neglect the crime!
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 24 May 2016 16: 19
                +2
                Quote: kepmor
                The rhetorical question is, where is the money, Zin ?!

                If such projects are being developed, we hope that they will find money for them, otherwise we will not be an ocean power in principle.
                Quote: kepmor
                Really, most of the commentators do not realize that the Americans are making a huge step into the future with this "iron" - they are actually testing a new sea platform for weapons that are now in development and testing (laser, electromagnet, etc.).

                We are also developing a railgun, laser, and hyper sound. For me, Zamvolt is not exactly a military unit, but rather a laboratory than the Sivulfs, for example. Virginia was created on the basis of developments on Sivulf. I think, in some ways, the same story will happen with Ash and Husky. Although I am sure that Ash, and especially Ash-M, is by far the best MAPL in the world today, but it turned out to be a little expensive.
                I would not be surprised if, after some time, the modified economy version of Zamvolt, already capable combat unit, was put into the mattresses.
                1. kepmor
                  kepmor 24 May 2016 16: 27
                  +2
                  It’s nice to have a dialogue with you!
                  All the best!
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 24 May 2016 16: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: kepmor
                    It’s nice to have a dialogue with you!
                    All the best!

                    Thank you. And do not lose heart. hi
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        1. bulvas
          bulvas 24 May 2016 12: 57
          0
          Quote: Shurik70


          But I did not understand.
          Are such even flat surfaces on the ship’s hull, isn’t it the perfect mirror for a radar?
          Even if they are at an angle from the vertical, there are radars also on airplanes, and modern radars not only catch direct reflection, but also secondary reflections from the inosphere.
          They would have drawn a target on it.


          Flat surface has less reflective area than convex / concave

          1. Alex777
            Alex777 24 May 2016 13: 25
            0
            Quote: bulvas
            Quote: Shurik70


            But I did not understand.
            Are such even flat surfaces on the ship’s hull, isn’t it the perfect mirror for a radar?
            Even if they are at an angle from the vertical, there are radars also on airplanes, and modern radars not only catch direct reflection, but also secondary reflections from the inosphere.
            They would have drawn a target on it.


            Flat surface has less reflective area than convex / concave


            On these flat surfaces, 2,5 cm of thickness is glued to a material absorbing radio waves.
            The case is so because in addition to radar visibility, it was necessary to solve the problem of resistance to a close explosion of SBN. They say it is stable. One thing is good - he has relatively few missiles. 80 mines for everything.
      3. Altona
        Altona 24 May 2016 16: 11
        0
        Quote: gray smeet
        The United States has money (prints), which means that this ship is worth the money invested in it - at least to test all kinds of technological innovations (maybe it’s done for this) - with which this ship will abound!

        ---------------------------
        How to say? "All sorts of technological innovations" such as railgun or Laser-shooter have not yet reached him, he is still getting along with old Tomahawk missiles and two 155-mm howitzers. This ship is for shelling the coastal zone and undoubtedly the appearance of such a rather big ship near our shores will be immediately taken into account.
    3. Asadullah
      Asadullah 24 May 2016 12: 58
      0
      When will there be a holiday on our street?


      I doubt the effectiveness of this ship. Without uryaa, recently, Americans have been letting more dust in their eyes with new weapons. It is like a blackbird swelling and feathers bristling at the moment of danger.
      1. Good_Taxist
        Good_Taxist 24 May 2016 13: 06
        0
        Acre reflecting (absorbing) the ability of the hull there is also a heap of fields - acoustic, magnetic, wake trail, etc. .... So we get it somehow ....))))
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 24 May 2016 13: 15
          0
          Quote: Good_Taxist
          So we get it somehow ....))))

          They forgot about their own radars of this boat, but they also radiate. Without them, he is blind and deaf. Plus, despite all the stealth, he has the EPR like a 14-meter fishing schooner, so he’s not so invisible.
          I don’t know about the seafaring qualities of this gigantic punt, but it seems to him that with strong excitement it will be difficult for him.
    4. Hubun
      Hubun 24 May 2016 13: 23
      0
      Some sort of shed, just look at our "Admiral Essen", pleases the eye. And this Halabuda, if at least afloat, will already be an event
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 May 2016 13: 25
        +2
        Quote: Hubun
        just look at our "Admiral Essen"

        Essen is good no doubt. And I really like this frigate. But how much was built and how much was handed over to the fleet, do not remind me?
        1. amirbek
          amirbek 24 May 2016 14: 05
          0
          Quote: NEXUS
          And I really like this frigate

          for ballast and time travel, even from Stonehenge, megaliths will be dragged into the main building wassat
    5. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 24 May 2016 16: 37
      0
      Quote: NEXUS
      4,4 billion green candy wrappers. Is this ship worth the money invested in it and time will tell the future. At the same time, reading about Zamvolta, our Leader project is constantly remembered with longing. When will there be a holiday on our street?

      So it turns out, I stamped candy wrappers, got a warship. "Balance with a bulldo", and the result is real. I mean that it's time for us to print our "candy wrappers" and how much we need. And for loans with interest ... well enough already.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 24 May 2016 16: 43
        +1
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        So it turns out, I stamped candy wrappers, got a warship. "Balance with a bulldo", and the result is real. I mean that it's time for us to print our "candy wrappers" and how much we need. And for loans with interest ... well enough already.

        You know, sometimes I get the idea that it's time to pierce this "inflated bubble" called the dollar. Otherwise, no asymmetric measures in military affairs will help. We just won't keep up.
        But it is necessary to "drown" the dollar intelligently and gradually, so that we are not buried under its ruins.
  2. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 24 May 2016 12: 37
    +4
    Where will they "theoretically" be able to test in a combat situation in the near future? Is there such a conflict in their zone of interest, where Z can open fire on real targets on the coast? Maybe the Somali pirate camps?
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 24 May 2016 12: 45
      +8
      The ship is interesting from the point of view of advanced technologies and in general in all respects, it’s really a shame that we don’t expect such things in the near future, although it is unlikely to threaten us.
  3. Alexez
    Alexez 24 May 2016 12: 39
    +3
    To the big ship - a big torpedo! Interestingly, ours are asymmetric in response?
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    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 24 May 2016 12: 46
      +1
      So far, nothing of ours has been brought up, except for coastal complexes, but it is unlikely that it will be substituted like this.
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      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 24 May 2016 14: 57
        +1
        For "patriots" the question is, how are you going to fight him and on what approaches. I personally think that he will not come close.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 24 May 2016 15: 27
          +1
          Quote: lis-ik
          For "patriots" the question is, how are you going to fight him and on what approaches. I personally think that he will not come close.

          For this, the RCC Zircon is being developed, with a range of 1000-1200 km. hi
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 24 May 2016 16: 03
            -1
            That's just Zircon campaign is no longer a panacea - does this ship have a missile defense system? along with SM 3 missiles
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 24 May 2016 16: 21
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              That's just Zircon campaign is no longer a panacea - does this ship have a missile defense system? along with SM 3 missiles

              Since when is the SM 3 missile capable of intercepting hyper-sound anti-ship missiles and even maneuvering at this speed? American SM 3 missiles are capable of intercepting ICBMs and only at the booster stage.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 24 May 2016 23: 34
                0
                Since then, the ka can intercept airplanes and conventional missiles, and a speed of 2700 meters per second is enough for it to hit hypersonic anti-ship missiles - at medium altitudes, and you won’t be able to quickly maneuver at hypersonic speeds - the Zircon missile is not an ICBM warhead included in dense layers atmosphere.
            2. spravochnik
              spravochnik 24 May 2016 16: 26
              +1
              Quote: Vadim237
              That's just Zircon campaign is no longer a panacea - does this ship have a missile defense system? along with SM 3 missiles

              But what, has she already shown herself somehow against hypersonic maneuvering targets?
    3. 25ru
      25ru 24 May 2016 14: 50
      +2
      Quote: Alexez
      to the big ship - a big torpedo! Interestingly, ours are asymmetric in response?

      Poor modernization of project 956. In the very long term, EM "Leader".
      1. Wiruz
        Wiruz 25 May 2016 11: 35
        0
        Wretched modernization of project 956

        It's a stupid idea, it's pointless to upgrade a stillborn ship. It will be easier and cheaper to build project 956 to replace Project 22350. But why the modernization of the BOD pr. 1155 is delayed is a mystery. Obeschalkin (who was Chirkov, remember this?) Promised to supply them with Caliber / Onyx, and A-192, and "missiles from the S-400" (apparently, "Redoubt" meant) what
  4. deputy ___ watered
    deputy ___ watered 24 May 2016 12: 39
    +3
    Littoral forces have acquired a new, expensive look! Glory to sawers from the American defense industry! Further successes to the lobbyists of this glorious democratic power!)
  5. prabiz
    prabiz 24 May 2016 12: 42
    +3
    A rare grave!
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 24 May 2016 12: 47
      +8
      Quote: prabiz
      A rare grave!

      But we are neither destroyers nor cruisers, I’m not talking about aircraft carriers, we are not building. What is there to be happy about? The destroyers Sarych are still built by the USSR. And they are not yet to be replaced, which is very sad.
      We now need a Leader like air. And why is it slow to build a new generation destroyer is not clear.
      1. spravochnik
        spravochnik 24 May 2016 16: 27
        +1
        Why moan? There is no money, that’s not being built.
  6. 3officer
    3officer 24 May 2016 12: 43
    +9
    Futuristic however .. belay And for the price - direct floating Ukrainian debt laughing
  7. Evgen2x
    Evgen2x 24 May 2016 12: 43
    +3
    Knowing America, it may very well be that this is just a publicized trough, let us recall the invisible old air defense missile system, their Raptor, and much more, advertising flavored with lies, but what time will actually show.
  8. Sars
    Sars 24 May 2016 12: 45
    -3
    At least one good news, and then I read 258 comments of the next article - the brain began to boil.
    Well now you need to read about Ukraine - it will calm down completely.
  9. Val_y
    Val_y 24 May 2016 12: 46
    +1
    Maybe I didn’t understand, but according to the well-known information on the corners of the hangar, he has 57 mm Bofors Mk 110 submachine guns, and then there are some roofing felts salute mountings. And where are the anti-aircraft fluffs? Or underestimated and so transmit to warriors ?????
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 24 May 2016 13: 06
      0
      Look for the General Dynamics Mk 30 46-mm single-barrel artillery mountings. From the Bofors refused.
  10. Barakuda
    Barakuda 24 May 2016 12: 46
    +1
    For technology development, quite nothing like that. But for 4.4 billion what Apart from "childhood diseases", but they will appear ...
    I would have drowned it immediately for divers .. even if the grandmas were cut down for inspection. Or a vobla organized a museum for cutting.
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet 24 May 2016 12: 50
      +2
      Quote: Barracuda

      I would immediately sink it for divers ...


      The USA has the whole world - divers, including Russia! Pay ....
  11. Wiruz
    Wiruz 24 May 2016 12: 46
    +7
    Hmm ... Powerful ship. It weighs almost like two Burke, but carries fewer missiles, a wooden superstructure (WOODEN, KARL!), There are no ZRAKs (57mm does not count), only ESSM from ZURs, there is no much praised Aegis, dreams of a railgun have remained so dreams ...

    In short, it was easier to put two self-propelled guns on a barge - it would be a hundred times cheaper laughing
  12. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 24 May 2016 12: 47
    +1
    and so look, the usual layout is some kind
  13. Yakut14
    Yakut14 24 May 2016 12: 49
    +1
    After the first battle, he will be transferred to a floating prison if he survives. You won’t run away with such a thing.
  14. evil partisan
    evil partisan 24 May 2016 12: 49
    +3
    He just wants to put the installation of quad "Maxims" from above ... what
  15. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 24 May 2016 12: 50
    +12
    It is good that a high level of automation. And 4-fold duplication - that's it.
    BUT! When the BIUS barks, upon receiving combat damage, who will fight for vitality? Do you have plasters and defense lines? Everyone relies on automation ... well, well
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 24 May 2016 12: 58
      +4
      I totally agree. The struggle for survivability on a vessel the size of a cruiser, with a crew of 140 people - it’s completely not clear how. The superstructure makes its way through from anything horrible, the bottom is flat - and even the electric ship. Star Wars has seen enough designers, and here is the result.
      Time will tell, of course, but the railguns were not ripe, and the combat lasers were fake, and the electromagnetic weapons were the chicken in the nest. In short, the platform was built, but the weapon for it was never born.
    2. Logos
      Logos 24 May 2016 14: 51
      0
      Do you have plasters and defense lines?

      What patches on a ship with a displacement of 14 thousand tons ??? Remember, now is not the year before last. When a hole is received on board, an isolated compartment is flooded (for example, a ballast or fuel tank, which are located on the sides and at the bottom of the vessel) and here it is not necessary to start the plaster, but to level the roll, gaining ballast from the other side. And then welders will brew the hole (what do under water). If the hole is very large, that a number of waterproof compartments are damaged, then aligning the roll with a set of ballast is already useless (and patches from the 19th century - even more so), then there is only one way out - the evacuation of the crew
      If the ship’s power plants are destroyed and the ship is completely de-energized, then all the more it makes no sense to fight for its survivability, because with de-energized fire pumps and automatic fire extinguishing systems, it is impossible to extinguish multiple fires manually (extinguishing a fire on a ship is not the same as extinguishing a fire in an office with a fire extinguisher). It is also impossible to start ballast pumps to even out the roll caused by a hole.

      About the lines of defense is not very clear. Completely disable the BIOS of a modern ship. You can only de-energize the vessel. But on a de-energized ship, even artillery mounts you will not operate, not to mention missile weapons. So what kind of defense lines are we talking about?
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 24 May 2016 20: 22
        +2
        Quote: Logos
        What patches on a ship with a displacement of 14 thousand tons ???

        Kiev had 41000 tons of displacement. At the same time, there were 3 ASGs led by officers. The standards were removed, the fighters trained in reconnaissance of fires, etc. Plus survivability division in warhead-5.
        Quote: Logos
        Upon receipt of a hole, an insulated compartment is flooded on board ... and here it is not necessary to start the patch, but to level the roll, gaining ballast from the other side.
        Do you want to tell us about the procedure of straightening the ship?
        Quote: Logos
        there is only one way out - crew evacuation
        This is an Amer tradition, but not ours. Remember how our teams brought to Arkhangelsk convoy vessels PQ-17, abandoned English. and am-crews.
        Quote: Logos
        with de-energized fire pumps and automatic fire extinguishing systems, it is impossible to extinguish multiple fire sources manually
        Even as possible! Autonomous DG, portable submersible pumps and other autonomous crap from oil masters work wonders with the skillful organization of the BZZH.
        Quote: Logos
        putting out a fire on a ship is not the same as putting out a fire in an office with a fire extinguisher
        Well, I burned a couple of times ... on NK and PL. Where did you put out the fire in the office? Share your experience, plz!
        Quote: Logos
        It is also impossible to start ballast pumps to even out the roll caused by a hole.
        What about self-flooding? have you tried using a bypass system? Kingstones so vulgarly opened up earlier ...
        Quote: Logos
        About the lines of defense is not very clear.
        Serve on the NK, study the BZZ schedule, maybe you will get lucky and get into the JB ... Then you will have a "clearing up in the mind" (c).
        Quote: Logos
        But on a de-energized ship you will not even activate artillery installations ...
        The Amy were amazed when they were shown footage of the artillery battle of the MRK of our construction, which had left the deck of the cart. AU AK-176 continued firing. (from the tower, from the local PSU). It turns out that there was no AB set for autonomous firing from the head when the ship is de-energized. So, speculatively, without experience of service in the Navy, it is better to talk about ... spherical horses in a vacuum.
        Quote: Logos
        What lines of defense are we talking about then?
        About those who block the spread of fire or water ...
        It is difficult for a sailor to explain our rule: to fight for the survivability of the ship to the last possible opportunity and not to leave its BP before the command to leave the ship.
  16. salad
    salad 24 May 2016 12: 50
    +6
    New BOSCH Steam Iron fellow
  17. Sergey333
    Sergey333 24 May 2016 12: 56
    +2
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    Where will they "theoretically" be able to test in a combat situation in the near future? Is there such a conflict in their zone of interest, where Z can open fire on real targets on the coast? Maybe the Somali pirate camps?

    Have you forgotten who the USA is? If there is no necessary conflict, they will quickly organize it themselves, and there they will experience it.
  18. Berkut24
    Berkut24 24 May 2016 12: 58
    +2
    Americans go to win with superweapons, bribes of elites and sanctions. Very menacing and dangerous. But they will lose all because of the banal budget cut. 1 aircraft at the price of a squadron, 1 soldier at the price of a platoon, 1 destroyer at the price of an aircraft carrier ...
  19. aszzz888
    aszzz888 24 May 2016 13: 03
    0
    This pelvis is hard to miss.
    He said that the destroyer "will serve 143 man."
    Yes, and diapers, again, less is needed.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 24 May 2016 13: 21
      +2
      Well zadolbali already about diapers! Stop flooding already!
  20. ded100
    ded100 24 May 2016 13: 04
    +2
    They will remove the next series of bonds and sell them for scrap! laughing laughing
  21. kapitan92
    kapitan92 24 May 2016 13: 05
    +5
    Yeah! Miracle Yudo fish whale! Expensive shtukentsiya. Probably "stuffed" until I can not. "... The creators of Zamvolt explain that this is not about complete invisibility, but only about a decrease in visibility - as a result, Zamvolt will be able to detect the enemy before he notices the stealth destroyer. In official press releases it is noted that The effective dispersion area (EPR) of a 180-meter destroyer corresponds to the EPR of a small fishing felucca. All elements of the stealth technology are implemented on such a large ship. 14,5 thousand tons - the size of the destroyer Zamvolt (as a comparison: the total displacement of the The cruiser "Moskva" is 11 thousand tons). "Zamvolt" - armament: A pair of 155 mm (6,1 inches) automated installations of the Advanced Gun System (AGS) are installed in the nose of the destroyer, firing high-precision ammunition at a distance of 160 km. installations - 920 shells. As an auxiliary artillery system for self-defense of the destroyer was again chosen a system with an unusually large caliber (compared with Vulcan) - automatic 57 mm installed vka "Bofors" SAK-57 Mk.3 (a pair of such cannons are installed in the aft part of the superstructure "Zamvolta"). Initially, a sophisticated DBR radar complex with six AFAR operating in the centimeter and decimeter ranges was created for Zamvolt. This provided unprecedented range and accuracy in detecting any type of air, sea or transatmospheric targets in Earth orbit - within the DBR's coverage area. By 2010, when it became clear that the Zamvolts were too expensive and could not replace existing destroyers, the DBR radar concept underwent a drastic reduction. As part of the Zamvolt's detection equipment, only the AN / SPY-3 multifunctional centimeter-range radar with three flat active PARs located on the walls of the destroyer's superstructure remained. Unlike the existing Aegis destroyers, Zamvolt completely lost its zonal air defense / missile defense system, but instead acquired outstanding capabilities for monitoring the water surface (within the radio horizon) and airspace at medium and short distances (less than 100 km). The background noise of the Zamvolta corresponds to a Los Angeles-class nuclear submarine. The power plant of the super destroyer: This is a scheme in which the British Rolls-Royce Marine Trent-30 gas turbines (one of the most powerful in their class) drive electric generators - after that, the electrical energy is again converted into mechanical energy by means of propulsion electric motors. The elimination of the direct mechanical connection between the GTE and the propellers made it possible to reduce the vibration of the hull, which in turn had a positive effect on reducing the noise of the destroyer. Another innovation is the PVLS Mk.57 peripheral missile launchers. Twenty 4-charge modules for launching anti-aircraft, anti-submarine and tactical cruise missiles, placed along the sides of the destroyer.
    Something like that. This kind of beast was born by the Americans. What is the pursuit of absolute ideal? The coolest destroyer in the world, the rest is not important? As a result, the complexity and cost of the project exceeded all reasonable limits.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 May 2016 13: 35
      +1
      "The coolest destroyer in the world, the rest is not important?" ///

      What else if the coolest? wink
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      2. lis-ik
        lis-ik 24 May 2016 13: 48
        -2
        He is certainly cool, that's just the question. Against who? Not at all against Russia.
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        2. lis-ik
          lis-ik 24 May 2016 14: 59
          0
          Do you really think that it can shell us from an electromagnetic gun?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 24 May 2016 16: 06
            +1
            He has 80 launchers for the Tomahawks - so he will have something to shell us with.
      3. kapitan92
        kapitan92 24 May 2016 15: 10
        +5
        Quote: voyaka uh
        What else if the coolest?
        "Cool" shows combat use, and the rest should be asked from the taxpayers.
    2. An60
      An60 24 May 2016 14: 34
      0
      Looking at the photo, the Louboutins were remembered.
  22. NordUral
    NordUral 24 May 2016 13: 14
    -2
    Build more of these stuff, States. Go broke quickly.
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 24 May 2016 14: 22
      0
      Minuses - no thoughts, so are you adding minuses? Ali here, US marines erupted?
  23. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 24 May 2016 13: 24
    +4
    Well, then, oh, the miracle of the great American sea shamans!
    Quote: lis-ik
    The ship is interesting from the point of view of advanced technologies and in general in all respects, it’s really a shame that we don’t expect such things in the near future, although it is unlikely to threaten us.

    There is a good article about this:1. Such an unusual form of the case with surfaces inclined inward is intended to reduce its radio visibility, it does not give any more advantages.While it affects the seaworthiness negatively, so negatively that there is still debate among experts whether this dish can swim with great excitement, if it rolls over. After all, he also has a flat bottom, like a trough, and his nose will be guaranteed to dig deep into the wave. The creators assure, of course, that everything will be in perfect order, but this should still show field tests. Simulation does not allow an unambiguous answer to this question. Moreover, the radio-reflective surface (EPR), even according to advertising statements, it still remains decent, like the 14-meter fishing schooner. That is, in any case, the enemy will not have any problems with radar detection even with complete radio silence of the prodigy. And here lies the funniest moment: such a ship cannot fight with the radars turned off. This is his only defense! And turning on the radar on a stealth ship is like a sniper in camouflage, skillfully disguising himself as a stump, but dragging a screaming Negro boom box with color music with him, that is, the radar operation completely unmasks the ship, making all these tricks absolutely useless. In fact, this is all just for the sake of a fashionable stealth look.2 Someone might think that such a smooth faceted hull serves to make the ship resistant to combat damage...Maybe it is such a protection, under which everything is hidden: after all, it does not have all these fragile antennas, any cables, tanks, cranes and other rubbish, vulnerable to fragments, on the outside, as is observed on an ordinary ship. on the armored American monitors of the 19th century, from which the cannonballs bounced like a wall of peas, but this is a misleading impression. It doesn't have any armor on the outside; this huge superstructure above the deck is mostly WOODEN. For ease. Because otherwise it would have turned upside down with a keel (remember the flat bottom?) They still write there that they tried foam plastic, but it did not suit them because of poor fire resistance. Really! But they were satisfied with balsa - a variety of very soft and light South American wood. They assure that it burns badly. Even the wise Incas are hollowing out their canoes from it! And now the Americans have bungled a 21st century battleship out of balsa. No, of course everything is very expensive and high-tech there: balsa panels 5-7 cm thick are pasted on the outside with 3 mm layers of carbon. The result is a very durable and lightweight sandwich panel. What a booth you can make! But she does not hold point-impact loads at all (such a layer of carbon fiber shoots even a pistol!) And is still afraid of the flame. But, gentlemen, you are not making a yacht, but a battleship. But this crap does not even hold a bullet, and what will happen to it if it is hit by a not very powerful anti-ship missile with at least 200 kg of TNT is ridiculous.
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 24 May 2016 13: 27
      +5
      3. Perhaps "Zamvolt" will be able to fight off enemy missiles because it has some mega-advanced air defense systems?In the end, the "armor" of modern ships is not steel plates as in the early 20th century, but radars + a set of different-caliber air defense weapons. Alas! This is probably the least protected ship of this type. All that he has for air defense purposes is: 1) an average RIM-162 ESSM missile (range 50 km, warhead - 40 kg) and 2) two 57-mm gun mounts in the stern that cannot shoot forward, on the course - a superstructure blocks their sector of fire (they are located in the corners of the helicopter hangar). Interestingly, the Americans abandoned their standard 20-mm rapid-firing Vulcan installations (6000 rounds per minute), considering that they are still useless against our supersonic armored anti-ship missiles. that guns with a rate of 220-240 rds / min with their 57-mm shells are much better. Their effectiveness is also a big question - although the power of the shells is higher, but too few of them fly out. Perhaps they hope that these projectiles will be able to intercept missiles at greater range due to a cloud of debris. This is provided that the rocket does not fly up in front. Here you need to understand that our missiles are able to recognize in advance the type of target and choose the optimal angle of attack for each type of American ship. What is even more surprising, Zamvolta does not even have long-range SM anti-aircraft missiles and it is not equipped with the Aegis system, which has long become a must-have for destroyers and URO cruisers. Apparently it is understood that this is not a tsarist business, and the miracle trench will be covered with conventional air defense ships in the squadron. And then what is his business?4. The main purpose of "Zamvolt" is shooting along the shore.To do this, he has dozens of Tomahawks and the most useless and ridiculous system that can be imagined on a ship - two 155-mm long-range cannons. They fire active-rocket projectiles for 100 km, while the projectiles are guided by GPS. They hit with errors of the order of several tens of meters, while their power corresponds to the usual 155-mm howitzers with 10 kg of explosives. Once again: the entire power of the main caliber of this megalinkor approximately corresponds to 2 (two) conventional howitzers of the Msta, Palladin type "and so on. They built a huge ship - 200 meters long, 15 tons displacement and a cost of 000 billion dollars, which shoots like two such howitzers! Yes, and one shot costs 7 dollars. This is not a mistake. Almost half a million dollars ONE shot. This is because the projectile is active with a guidance system. By the way, "Tomahawks" are comparable. But so they fly 400 km! And the warhead there is under 000 kg! In fact, these cannons are just impromptu, they had to be slapped in order for at least something to be so unusual. Initially, they thought that they could equip this iron with a railgun (electromagnetic cannon) or a combat laser. But both of these Crazy projectors suddenly did not grow together, and I had to put up such a laughing stock. The most offensive thing is that the range of 1600 km is purely not enough for safe firing at even a third-rate military power. Anti-ship missiles are now widespread and hit much further. That is, this thing can shoot with impunity only some absolutely African savages, who have nothing but machine guns. But for example, the Yemeni guerrillas will already be deadly - they have anti-ship missiles. There is no question of the Zamvolt resisting the warships. It simply does not have anti-ship missiles, as well as torpedoes. And with its 500-mm bullets, it can only scare another similar wooden Zamvolt.
      1. LÄRZ
        LÄRZ 24 May 2016 13: 30
        +2
        5. Very often they praise his power plant as unusually powerful, efficient and revolutionary.While this is just another technical nonsense, in fact. "Zamvolt" has two turbines that do not turn at once the propellers, as in conventional ships, but tied to generators. The electric motors are already powered by this electricity. All this is called an "electric ship" and there is nothing innovative in such a scheme, civil ships have often and long been using this principle. About 50 years already, probably. In general, it is unprofitable purely in terms of efficiency - first to generate electricity and lose it on the generator, then lose it on running electric motors. There can be 10 and 15% losses. Hence, it is not surprising that the Zamwault has an unusually short cruising range of 4500 miles at 20 knots. Why is this done on civilian ships? Imagine a cruise ship. There are all these restaurants, discos, casinos and heated pools, thousands of people live there. They need a lot of energy! Therefore, their turbines work for generation. Warships usually do not have powerful consumers of electricity, it makes no sense for them to arrange a power plant on board. But the Zamvolt is not an ordinary ship! They wanted to put lasers and railguns there. To pew-pew! Then unusual electrical power on board would be needed. But as I already said, the stone flower did not come out, and the concept could not be changed.

        http://tehnowar.ru/42753-vstrechaem-megavundervaflyu-grozu-morey-uzhas-plyvuschi
        y-na-krylyah-nochi-ddg-1000-zumvalt.html
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 24 May 2016 13: 42
          0
          "Warships usually do not have powerful consumers of electricity,
          it makes no sense for them to set up a power plant on board. But the Zamvolt is not an ordinary ship!
          They wanted to put lasers and railguns there. To pew-pew! "///

          Wait a bit! You will be "pew-pew" smile .
          Both rail and lasers for Zumvolt in the advanced stages of testing.
          1. LÄRZ
            LÄRZ 24 May 2016 17: 01
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Both rail and lasers for Zumvolt in the advanced stages of testing.
            To make a ship for a still non-existent weapon? Doesn't this mean "running ahead of the locomotive"? If we were talking about small, unprincipled improvements and changes, and after all, any little thing can reveal an insoluble (at this stage) problem.
            The biggest and currently insurmountable difficulty is in energy supply. According to the calculations of the Americans, a ship railgun requires a power of about 70 MW. Such a ship already exists. This is the destroyer Zamvolt, the power of the power plant of which is 78 MW. In principle, it is possible to install a railgun on the newest aircraft carrier Gerald Ford, whose nuclear reactor is one and a half times more powerful than that of Nimitz. This year it is planned to test the railgun on Zamvolta. It can be predicted that the accuracy of the shooting will be much less than at the ground range, since the ship, by definition, is not a stationary object, as it sways on the water. In addition, even with a successful test of a ship railgun, practical shooting from it will be a very risky business, since it will require disconnecting all ship electronics. That is, during the shooting from the "railgun" Zamvolt will be completely defenseless, deaf and blind. Zamvolt was created as a ship for colonial wars, that is, shelling the coastline of states that do not have modern armed forces. After this masterpiece of American science and technology was launched, it was criticized as a ship with a glass jaw, that is, having powerful strike weapons and extremely weak protection. The installation of a railgun on Zamvolta will further strengthen this the imbalance between its offensive and defensive capabilities, which in principle is a systemic flaw of all modern ships. The response to the appearance of ships armed with railguns in the US fleet can be extremely simple and inexpensive - small missile boats, from which lsotrona did not get, but they are a matter of seconds to send de-energized "Zamvolt" "at the bottom of the deep sea."

            http://vvprohvatilov.livejournal.com/198005.html
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 24 May 2016 22: 07
              +1
              "To make a ship for a still non-existent weapon? Doesn't this mean" to run ahead of the locomotive "?" /////

              This is often done now. The modular principle. Create a platform for many years of operation
              for weapons that change many more times. Like Armata’s tank platform, for example.
              Replacing a generation of weapons on a platform is much cheaper than building a new platform.
              1. LÄRZ
                LÄRZ 24 May 2016 23: 14
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                This is often done now. The modular principle. Create a platform for many years of operation
                for weapons that will change many more times

                I agree. With regard to this ship and its capabilities and shortcomings, you can "break spears" for a long time. Tests will show. Perhaps this ship is something like "FAU-1" or "Me-262". The first steps.
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        3. lis-ik
          lis-ik 24 May 2016 15: 09
          0
          In Soviet times, excavators and career bulldozers moved around here.
      2. NordUral
        NordUral 24 May 2016 14: 25
        +1
        This "miracle" destroyer - a vacuum cleaner for pulling bucks from the US budget is only suitable for Hollywood with its flying iron assholes.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 24 May 2016 13: 39
      +2
      "The creators assure, of course, that everything will be in perfect order,
      but this should still be shown by full-scale tests "////

      What kind of test? Your articles are out of date ...
      He is already plowing the stormy Atlantic.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 24 May 2016 14: 28
        +2
        It doesn’t plow, but it swims quietly and quietly and everyone thinks, how not to burrow or how not to tip over.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 24 May 2016 16: 09
          0
          And why is he toppling over.
          1. Seaman77
            Seaman77 24 May 2016 19: 29
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            And why is he toppling over.


            It will not overturn of course, but with stability it obviously has problems. The increased metacentre, well, sooooo much sail ... It seems to me with a fresh breeze at the side of the points at 6 it will begin to heel. How to storm on this is also not clear. It’s absolutely not worth it to board the wave and the wind ... It’s necessary to bring a wave to the nose - it will dig into the very superstructure. request
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 24 May 2016 23: 55
              +1
              Yes, most likely his stability is normal, but the view is probably the most fantastic of all the previously built ships - the space cruiser resembles something.
  24. Stiletto
    Stiletto 24 May 2016 13: 29
    +5
    Nice ship! I would take it ... in cash, of course bully
    1. Che burashka
      Che burashka 24 May 2016 13: 36
      +2
      Quote: Stiletto
      Nice ship! I would take it ... in cash, of course bully

      Here is a thought !!! I completely agree!!!
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 24 May 2016 13: 52
      +2
      I would also take it and instantly transfer it to the construction of our destroyers, sometimes I dream if I had billions, first of all to the fleet, then to the aircraft and to shoot I would shoot! Oh dreams! And Abromovich nevermind.
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 24 May 2016 14: 30
        +1
        The main thing is that similarly there should be a majority in the country. Then the Romans Abramovich would quickly pace the skis to protect such miracle workers as Zamvolt.
  25. drunkram
    drunkram 24 May 2016 13: 34
    0
    The wooden setting drives, what can I say ... With such dimensions such a weak displacement. For the price - it’s probably cheaper to rivet another 1144 for such a budget
  26. Flipman
    Flipman 24 May 2016 13: 43
    +2
    James Kirk Captain! just like in a star trek, a coincidence - I do not think))
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 24 May 2016 13: 55
      +2
      You also noticed, then the ship should be called "Enterprise", by the way "Star Trek" is great fantasy, now I am reviewing "Voyager". Sorry Archer was there, but Kirk is also a familiar name.
  27. sir_obs
    sir_obs 24 May 2016 13: 55
    +3
    Waiting for a Hollywood miracle featuring an iron
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    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 24 May 2016 14: 07
      0
      Most likely they will remove it, they will not rust, and most likely they will save the world again! By the way, I recommend high-quality American fiction without "stupid Russians" filmed before 2010.
  28. kostyan77708
    kostyan77708 24 May 2016 14: 29
    -1
    Quote: godofwar6699
    beautiful ship good

    Very much, he doesn’t have enough pens on top like an iron, here’s how to attach it and, in general, a handsome budet !!! laughing
  29. godofwar6699
    godofwar6699 24 May 2016 14: 36
    +1
    Quote: kostyan77708
    Quote: godofwar6699
    beautiful ship good

    Very much, he doesn’t have enough pens on top like an iron, here’s how to attach it and, in general, a handsome budet !!! laughing


    didn't get tired of repeating the same things?
  30. 25ru
    25ru 24 May 2016 14: 48
    +1
    Well, the destroyer is generally - golden eggs to the author of the article winked
  31. Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 May 2016 14: 58
    0
    A lot of good things were written about F-35 too ...
    Only here the ship, unlike the plane, does not crash in case of malfunctions.
    So a couple of tugboats will just drag him around all the time.
    And yes, we need to build a fleet practically from scratch.
    Because the current small things that come off the slipways,
    it is so, not serious.
    1. 25ru
      25ru 24 May 2016 15: 08
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      Because the current small things that come off the slipways,
      it is so, not serious.

      It comes off for you. We do not get nichrome. Vostochnaya Verf works for the coast guard. Amur Shipyard - ask donavi-49
  32. demiurg
    demiurg 24 May 2016 15: 41
    0
    A warship superstructure that can be set on fire with a lighter? World has gone mad. Amg was abandoned in add-ons after the Sheffield fire and the death of Monsoon. But AMG cannot be set on fire with a match; That is, he does not need to bomb superPCR with warhead under a ton. No need to shoot him from 16 inches and throw him Tollboy with 9km. You can shell the superstructure from any weapon with incendiary ammunition. By the way, chemists tell me what emits carbon during combustion?


    Who will say that this is the future of the fleets of the world, a step forward out of order. hi
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 24 May 2016 17: 54
      0
      You won’t set the carbon match. The ignition temperature is around 2000 degrees, the burning temperature of the match is 300. It depends on the brand, and carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide and, possibly, nitrogen oxides are released during combustion.
      Carbon can be stronger than steel, lighter, but brittle. If only the Americans managed to direct the threads outward, and not parallel to the plane of the surface, then ... xs, but it is doubtful that this number will pass: a change in the angle of impact by 1-2 degrees - and will fly to smithereens! True, maybe this is a calculation? Does the rocket fly right through without breaking? Well, there will be a ventilation hole.
  33. Vittt
    Vittt 24 May 2016 16: 25
    0
    It looks futuristic, of course. I think Cameron (with his budgets in Hollywood) will be happy.
    Will remove "Titano-Zumvaltic" -2 laughing
  34. Avega
    Avega 24 May 2016 17: 37
    0
    The building "SORT TYPE" for 4.4 yards of greenery))) let the budget continue to invest in such buildings!)))
  35. LastLap
    LastLap 24 May 2016 21: 48
    0
    Not special. In optics, you can’t hide such a trough with a clear sky. I have an engineering education, with an active radar-tree New Year. The concept for me is not clear, well, I'm not a strategist. Maybe a new Betmanmobile or a little fenka for 007. Someone also needs a super lithak f35.
  36. Katukov
    Katukov 24 May 2016 22: 16
    0
    Captain James Kirk.?.?.? And the name of the ship is probably interpraise)))))?