German company showed “tank of the future” (video)

On the official YouTube-channel of the German concern Rheinmetal a video appeared on which the new MBT Revolution tank is being demonstrated, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

According to the developers, MBT Revolution should become a “serious competitor of“ Almaty ”, but this will not happen before 2030.

In fact "The model is a deeply upgraded version of the Leopard 2A4 using modular technology. Moreover, it should replace not only its predecessor in Germany, but also the Leclerc tank, which is in service with the French army ", notes the newspaper with reference to warspot.ru.

The concern has been working on this project for 6 for years, and the video is yet another report on the progress achieved.



“Already from the first frames you can understand that the tower tank, thoroughly "stuffed" with electronics. These are video cameras, guidance systems that provide the crew with an all-round view. The gunner's dashboard is fully computerized. The tower is also equipped with an active defense system, ”comments the publication.

The developers and the weapon stabilization system noted: “when the car moves over rough terrain, the gun remains almost stationary,” the commentary says.

As the designers explained, the tank "is adapted to any climatic conditions and can fight both day and night."

Comments

[Pereira]

Cool.
You can make films about the reflection of invasions of aliens. The most that.
But really fight on the Armata T-25.

[razmik72]

Quote: Pereira

Cool.
You can make films about the reflection of invasions of aliens. The most that.
But really fight on the Armata T-25.

In the picture, the tank looks very futuristic and cool, but when the real one comes out, then we'll see.

[bulvas]

Quote: razmik72

In the picture, the tank looks very futuristic and cool, but when the real one comes out, then we'll see.

At first I thought he was steam-powered - he’s making couples, it turns out that this is a Hollywood trick for the effectiveness of advertising ...

[Vend]

By the 2030 year, Armata is already out of date and I think it will be replaced by a more advanced tank. And such a PR is a big plus, now the Russian military-industrial complex knows what it will have to face after the 2030 of the year.

[Armored optimist]

The barrel is short, the hatches are open, something is missing to the right of the gun. It looks like a mockup or technology demonstrator.

[Cap-3 USSR]

This is another modernization, nothing more. The tower is inhabited, poked by electronics.
This video is not to hit the face with dirt. That's all.
And something fundamentally new (like armata) bye-bye.

[Alex777]

Quote: armored optimist

The barrel is short, the hatches are open, something is missing to the right of the gun. It looks like a mockup or technology demonstrator.

So this is a technology demonstrator ...
Designers may not survive until 2030, the EU may fall apart, and NATO along with it.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Alex777

Quote: armored optimist

The barrel is short, the hatches are open, something is missing to the right of the gun. It looks like a mockup or technology demonstrator.

So this is a technology demonstrator ...
Designers may not survive until 2030, the EU may fall apart, and NATO along with it.

Well, it means there will be no war, at least until 2030. The Teutons will not climb on us without a sort of "revolutionary" monster.

[potroshenko]

I don't know who prepared the article or where it was copied from, but MBT Revolution has been "a hundred years in the afternoon", this 2A4 modernization program has been promoted through videos for many years. What promising tank against Armata and the replacement of Leclerc can we talk about? The hero of the article has nothing to do with the promising tank, and the Germans did not claim this, the article was a minus.

[Nova]

So in the video it says at the beginning: "Advanced Technology Demostrator". All right)

[Maksus]

Why is she out of date? Tanks are now much more static than in war or post-war time. The youngest of the serial warriors was the English Challenger 2, he has been in the ranks for 20 years, why should Armata be outdated in 13 years?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Maksus

Why does Armata become obsolete in 13 years?

This means that the Armata of the sample of 2016 will probably become obsolete ... and by the 30th year it will be a modernized platform with completely different performance characteristics and most likely with a different gun.

[RUSS]

Quote: Maksus

Why does Armata become obsolete in 13 years?

Perhaps because technology is developing rapidly.

[vorobey]

The German is not destined to come close to the armature .... 1. Armata is the platform of a number of cars, and the German is just a tank, but BREM is hardly ... expensive ... secondly, the Germans did not disclose the topic of modular technologies ... the crew is still on in its regular places ... electronics and the latest SLA, plus in the future a 140 mm gun (2A6 it worked around), stuff the T72 with similar ones and now your competitor is easier and smaller in size ... so I think it’s not correct to compare technologically with the armature .. though. .. if they want, naturally they have the right ..

[godofwar6699]

Quote: vorobey

secondly, the German topic of modular technologies is not disclosed

Puma Infantry Fighting Vehicle

[vorobey]

Puma is a BMP ... it's about a tank ..

[godofwar6699]

if they want to be on the tank

[vorobey]

Quote: godofwar6699

if they want to be on the tank

however, present another ... and ready to issue only by the year 30 ... what is stopping now? if everything is there ... one more moment ... such a tiny one ... in order to surpass the T14 you need to know something about it ... what is known about the T14?

[godofwar6699]

Quote: vorobey

one more moment ... such a tiny one ... in order to surpass the T14 you need to know something about it ... what is known about the T14?

I think there is nothing special in the T14. normal tank but not a revolution in tank design.

[vorobey]

Quote: godofwar6699

but not a revolution in tank design.

it's all about tuning ... tell me how much the crew is planned in the German, how the loading system and armored capsules for the crew are decided ... and what the Germans offer in this case, the revolutionary ... only without arguments like be-be-be ... one thing is an uninhabited module with calibres up to 57 mm, another more than 100 ..

[godofwar6699]

and what the Germans offer revolutionary in this case ..


Did I say that the Germans offer a revolutionary tank?

[vorobey]

Quote: godofwar6699

Did I say that the Germans offer a revolutionary tank?

no .. 1. you put me minus for the statement that the German does not come close to armature ...
2.

Quote: godofwar6699

I think there is nothing special in the T14. normal tank

Quote: godofwar6699

but not a revolution in tank design.

3.

Quote: godofwar6699

if they want to be on the tank

already wanted ... there were statements that they, together with the French, were developing something ...

[godofwar6699]

Leopard 2 technologies are more advanced than T14.

[vorobey]

Quote: godofwar6699

Leopard 2 technologies are more advanced than T14.

argue ... then you know something more about T14 or just unfoundedly promote this thesis.

[godofwar6699]

Russia has always been behind in the field of high technologies.

[vorobey]

Quote: godofwar6699

Russia has always been behind in the field of high technologies.

weighty argument ... nevertheless, this did not stop her from launching the drone into space first and returning it to the ground .. and it’s already rolling combat robots in combat conditions.

[Taygerus]

another one of us wrote to the regional powers, wake up respected Russia, when I was not in the backlog and the Pepelians did not fly like f-35

[opus]

Quote: godofwar6699

Russia has always been behind in the field of high technologies.

well, no, not always

Quote: vorobey

prevented her from launching the drone into space first and returning it to the ground.

this is not the argument (this is a separate rahgovor)
first satellite
-first astronaut
- the world's first thermonuclear bomb (RDS-6 (C), in my opinion is it it?

(I'm belittling you just don't talk about the USA, 1952 and "a three-story house filled with liquid deuterium")
-first microwave in the world (April 1941)
-first mobile phone in the world

Mobile phone LC-3, 1961 year

December 25 1946, the first nuclear reactor in Europe was launched in the USSR
and so on, not enough space

[Dim Bes]

Excuse me, but: "What is your evidence?"

[opus]

Quote: godofwar6699

Leopard 2 technologies are more advanced than T14.

Not sure. About T-14 we don't know anything yet.
About Leopar-2 already nothing (fought? Where? When? Performance?)
except "The car is expensive."

I "rode" on it
In general, of course, in tanks: yes, we are Germans.
oh yes Israel (but against the Arabs)

[Alf]

Quote: godofwar6699

but not a revolution in tank design.

The main thing in the tank is a powerful weapon, thick armor, excellent mobility, and the design of the tank is the tenth thing.

[aba]

if they want to be on the tank

That is, the Germans do not want to ?!

[Vladimyrych]

Just like Die Deutsche Wochenschau look...

[Stalker.1977]

I think by this time, they will not have to do anything, since it will be a German autonomous region.

[alpamys]

Quote: Stalker.1977

I think by this time, they will not have to do anything, since it will be a German autonomous region.

I really like this idea and in the future it will be so, Germany will become part of Russia.

[zennon]

Quote: Stalker.1977

I think by this time, they will not have to do anything, since it will be a German autonomous region.

More likely a khanate. And the sultan will sit in Ankara.

[alpamys]

Quote: zennon

Quote: Stalker.1977

I think by this time, they will not have to do anything, since it will be a German autonomous region.

More likely a khanate. And the sultan will sit in Ankara.

they also write on fences, blood is blood, you cannot fool with its inscriptions.

[zennon]

Quote: alpamys

they also write on fences, blood is blood, you cannot fool with its inscriptions.

I, unlike you, do not read the inscriptions on the fences. And thanks to Merkel-apa, your blood will decrease as a German one. This is a common tragedy. This also applies.

[opus]

Quote: zennon

And the sultan will sit in Ankara.

they have at least peacefully ...
we have:

On 14 on May 2016 in the capital of the Russian Federation, Moscow, at the Khovansky cemetery, participants in a mass slaughter of ethnic groups were detained. Visiting authorities clashed among themselves over spheres of influence and financial flows. For Moscow, such a showdown is not the first time, but such a scope and scale before that was not. Showdown
500 migrants staged a bloody massacre in a cemetery in Moscow



...
FBI promises one million dollars for Kolya-Kirghiz

Today, the Central and Volga Federal Districts remain the most affected by ethnic crime. So, in the Central Federal District in 2014, 424 ethnic organized crime groups numbering 997 people were eliminated, and in the Volga Federal District, 57 groups with the number of 221 participants were eliminated.


I love Lezginka ....
But this:

?
------------------------
what do we need before europe?

[svp67]

Quote: opus

they have at least peacefully ...

March 19 2016

January 12 2016

2015 year

[opus]

Quote: svp67

March 19 2016

I'm more interested in what we have.
Aturki ...
Well, those who play with terror, they get it.
Sykriet them Syrian equipment + oil, seamless from Syria, using daish

[ydjin]

Quote: Stalker.1977

I think by this time, they will not have to do anything, since it will be a German autonomous region.

Or the Great German Caliphate.

[mav1971]

Quote: Wend

By the 2030 year, Armata is already out of date and I think it will be replaced by a more advanced tank. And such a PR is a big plus, now the Russian military-industrial complex knows what it will have to face after the 2030 of the year.

Well, how much pathos in your words is ...
And knowledge is zero.

By 2030, Armata is unlikely to have time to put into service all the units that are going for the planned rearmament.
The pace of production you know will not allow.
And Armata will be made for at least 15 years.
And the term of her life is planned for 50 years.

D, B!

[Vend]

Quote: mav1971

Quote: Wend

By the 2030 year, Armata is already out of date and I think it will be replaced by a more advanced tank. And such a PR is a big plus, now the Russian military-industrial complex knows what it will have to face after the 2030 of the year.

Well, how much pathos in your words is ...
And knowledge is zero.

By 2030, Armata is unlikely to have time to put into service all the units that are going for the planned rearmament.
The pace of production you know will not allow.
And Armata will be made for at least 15 years.
And the term of her life is planned for 50 years.

D, B!

Yes, knowledge is zero, absolutely zero
According to the deputy chairman of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission Oleg Bochkarev, Russian Armata battle tanks will be delivered in 2016.
According to Sienko, the state armament program provides for the delivery of the Armata army of 2300 units until the 2020 year, however, most likely, it will be adjusted in time: “The volumes will probably remain, but the period will shift to the 2025 year.”

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wend

will remain, but the period will shift to 2025. "

For me, everything goes towards unmanned robotization of armored platforms. And we took our step in this direction by creating Uranus 9. I have a great future for this platform. And the relatively small number of connections with Armata will most likely be compensated in the future by such combat robots.
It is clear that it’s too early to call Uranus-9 raw and fully its combat robot yet, as it requires control at a distance of visibility from the control center. But for now.
And the fact that on this basis they are probably already working on creating a truly combat robot I have no doubt.

[mav1971]

Quote: Wend

According to the deputy chairman of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission Oleg Bochkarev, Russian Armata battle tanks will be delivered in 2016.
According to Sienko, the state armament program provides for the delivery of the Armata army of 2300 units until the 2020 year, however, most likely, it will be adjusted in time: “The volumes will probably remain, but the period will shift to the 2025 year.”

These are the words of the director of UVZ.
He is no one in terms of making financing decisions.

There are ministers.
There is a president.
And there is also the surrounding reality, which cuts at the root all the plans of the "fat" oil years.
And if in the "zhyrnye" year for 2 years they thwarted the plan to put the Armata into mass production, namely Armata had to get into the series until 2015.
I have not risen so far for real.

And now the crisis is on.
Have you seen him? Not? But he is.
And there will be 5 years in such a state when the people will get worse, less and less work.
So in the near future there are no prospects for improving the state of the budget and there will not be, and accordingly there will be no free money for military programs.
UVZ financing will also be cut off.

By the way, did you see the price of Almaty?
Even if 500 million rubles (namely, how much the tank costs in serial production of the first stage) is divided at the rate of 60 per dollar.
It turns out the most expensive tank in the world with the cheapest labor in the tank building countries of the world.
Our employees at UVZ, ChTZ receive in 8-10 times less than in the same Germany, the Americas, France and even Korea.
A pancake tank is more expensive anyway.

In Russia, in the post-Soviet era, never before did mass production reduce the cost of production. All examples of launch attempts suggest otherwise.

[vorobey]

Quote: mav1971

Even if 500 million rubles (namely, how much the tank costs in serial production of the first stage) is divided at the rate of 60 per dollar. It turns out the most expensive tank in the world with the cheapest labor in the tank building countries of the world.

browse materiel sometimes ..

[mav1971]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: mav1971

Even if 500 million rubles (namely, how much the tank costs in serial production of the first stage) is divided at the rate of 60 per dollar. It turns out the most expensive tank in the world with the cheapest labor in the tank building countries of the world.

browse materiel sometimes ..

The cost of Artmati was calculated 2 years ago.
In 2014 year.
Then it cost 500 million rubles.
Find the 2014 course of the year?
Can you share?
You found a picture from "vkontaktek".
probably for you vkontaktik - an official source of information and equipment.

Well, about the materiel - it's funny with "vkontaktikom" ...
Ага.

[Forest]

The first Lightnings cost about 300 million dollars, now 100-110 million. Do not compare prototypes with large-scale ones. Moreover, equipment from generation to generation is becoming more expensive.

[mav1971]

Quote: Forest

The first Lightnings cost about 300 million dollars, now 100-110 million. Do not compare prototypes with large-scale ones. Moreover, equipment from generation to generation is becoming more expensive.

Again.
Not a single military-technical production in Russia with serial production has become cheaper.
In the Soviet Union - it was very strong.
In Russia there is no!


And what about generations?
I’m talking about the same tank.

[Forest]

In fact, we have never before had a single completely new type of large-scale armored vehicles. But the larger the production, the cheaper. This is the law. Experienced machines are disassembled and assembled dozens of times, hundreds of sensors that read certain parameters are additionally used on them, assembly is performed by masters with more qualifications and, accordingly, higher salaries. The declared price of the experimental T-14 for the 2015 year is 400 million. At the exchange rate of 60 rubles per dollar, it is only 6 million dollars, i.e. 2 and more than cheaper than modern tanks.

[vorobey]

Quote: mav1971

Well, about the materiel - it's funny with "vkontaktikom" ...

I ask you, even insist give relevant data and argue why there will be no cost reduction due to the series ...

[mav1971]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: mav1971

Well, about the materiel - it's funny with "vkontaktikom" ...

I ask you, even insist give relevant data and argue why there will be no cost reduction due to the series ...

A recent example with Proton missiles?
Example with submarines Ash and Borey?
Contracts for the purchase of electronic warfare, if you look, they go to small parties. By 3-5-10 pieces. With each subsequent contract for the same product, the price rises.

Look more often.
I just remember such things, but do not record what you bring on a silver platter.
But, what it is is a fact.
It’s very strange for me that our military economy is against the laws of economics and the laws of common sense — but it is.

[vorobey]

Quote: mav1971

Quote: vorobey

Quote: mav1971

Well, about the materiel - it's funny with "vkontaktikom" ...

I ask you, even insist give relevant data and argue why there will be no cost reduction due to the series ...

A recent example with Proton missiles?
Example with submarines Ash and Borey?
Contracts for the purchase of electronic warfare, if you look, they go to small parties. By 3-5-10 pieces. With each subsequent contract for the same product, the price rises.

Look more often.
I just remember such things, but do not record what you bring on a silver platter.
But, what it is is a fact.
It’s very strange for me that our military economy is against the laws of economics and the laws of common sense — but it is.

do not put armored vehicles on a par with a submarine or a radar station ... there the knowledge-intensiveness, labor costs and terms of execution are different .. therefore they go in small batches ... here everything comes down to the unification of units and assemblies for three to four types of vehicles, serial assembly is always it’s cheaper ... when I am preparing the product in series .. first, one thing goes, and then you think and look for options to increase profitability, reduce labor and materials ...

[mav1971]

Quote: vorobey

when I’m preparing a product myself in series .. first, one thing goes, and then you think and look for options to increase profitability, reduce labor costs and materials ...

Believe me, no, but even at VAZ, the cost of cars does not fall with the increase in the number of cars produced ...
The increase in selling prices on absolutely all cars, even with stable dollar rates, even with many thousands of thousands of reductions and the dumping of social programs - 2-3 times a year ...

[vorobey]

Quote: mav1971

Believe me, no, but even at VAZ, the cost of cars does not fall with the increase in the number of cars produced ...

YOU are starting to confuse cost and profitability, besides, since we are on the market, any manager is interested in maximizing profit, and no one has canceled loans, since they sold everything at 90 and investors need to be fed from profit ..

[opus]

Quote: mav1971

He is no one in terms of making financing decisions.

There are ministers.
There is a president.

there is a state armament program 2020

40 tank battalions 1400 new and modernized tanks из которых 22 battalions with new tanks.
97 motorized rifle battalions 4109 BMP / BMD
3008 armored personnel carriers of all types. including 600 BTR-90 "Berezhok"
20 systems MLRS "Smerch"
2 reactive regiments of the modernized multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) "Hurricane-1M"
60 operational-tactical missile systems Iskander-M
56 divisions of 8 complexes of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system in each
1 regiment of anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems "Shell-C1" (according to other sources 400 installations).
116 thousand cars

What are the beats 2300 Armat?

Quote: Wend

According to Sienko, the state arms program involves the delivery of the army of 2300 units of “Almaty” to

only 1400 new and MODERNIZED.
22 battalions NEW
22: 40 * 1400 = 770 new (God grant), but not necessarily Armat. T-90XX is the same new

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[opus]

Quote: Wend

According to the deputy chairman of the board of the Military Industrial Commission

I remember "according to" we were promised the T-50 in 2015 or 2016?

Quote: Wend

According to Sienko, the state armament program involves the supply of the 2300 army of “Almaty”

I do not believe the instructor of the Youth Initiative of Irkutsk association of the Irkutsk City Committee of the Komsomol ...
who to believe?
2009 Vladimir Yakunin, President of Russian Railways: “I don’t need UVZ. Absolutely".

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[mav1971]

Hello! Minusators!

Give me at least 3 (three !!!) _Full-scale__Russian_Military_ _Programs_ for the production of weapons that:

1. did not move in terms!
2. did not grow at the originally announced price!
3. not reduced in number (including depending on the item number 2 ...)!

Maybe you need to learn to be honest?
And do not throw in slogans and suffer from projection?

[vorobey]

Quote: mav1971

Hello! Minusators!

HoB and not a minuser, but I’ll give you a reference .. read, analyze ... well, the adjustment is planned to increase the cost of the changes and the timing shift associated with the improvements seems to me not so critical ... or it’s better to put our sworn friends in the army hundreds of planes that do not fly are not invisible at all or weapons have not been tested yet and then owe their problems to aviation ... http: //bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/programm_VIVT.html .... http: // god2017 .com / novosti / perevooruzhenie-vs-rf-v-2017-godu why shout .. better to think first ... reziyu - You are not a production man. You all at once ...

[sergey2017]

Nationwide, the interiors of the Armata tower were not shown on the television screen, this is clearly a secret! There is no doubt Armat has a no less modern stuffing of electronics for firing and other gadgets! Well, the Germans showed their concept of developing their tank, but the shape is unusual! It’s rightly noted that the video with the tank is not shown of its ability to overcome water barriers, concrete blocks, etc.! Therefore, this advertisement was made to allocate additional money from the budget of Germany for the further development of the tank!

[Blondy]

Quote: Wend

By the 2030 year, Armata is already out of date and I think it will be replaced by a more advanced tank. And such a PR is a big plus, now the Russian military-industrial complex knows what it will have to face after the 2030 of the year.

Well, I would not consider this video as a purposeful instruction, because even a very beautiful PR is just the virtuality written with a pitchfork in the context of real after 15 years.

[Alexey-74]

Armata can already fly and not only above the ground

[Andrey NM]

In 1941, our grandfathers heroically fought in the sky with the enemy on plywood-percale "donkeys", and 15 years later a MiG-21 was flying in the sky. In the late 90s, not everyone knew what a cell phone and the Internet were ... Who knows what will happen in 15 years? What will the tanks be like?

And only a Kalashnikov assault rifle is eternal ...

[xetai9977]

The Germans always knew how to make tanks. This is most likely just a prototype. Raw. In the course will be further improved. And the clip is shot at a very high level.

[NEXUS]

Quote: xetai9977

The Germans always knew how to make tanks. This is most likely just a prototype. Raw. In the course will be further improved. And the clip is shot at a very high level.

Perhaps, but I had a question - what will happen to a platform like Uranus-9? But developments on this topic do not stop even by the 30th year, it may well be that Russia will have a really heavy combat robot, not inferior to the tank in power, but superior mobility, accuracy and reaction.

[novobranets]

Quote: xetai9977

The Germans always knew how to make tanks. This is most likely just a prototype.

Leoperd is a good tank, tested over years of operation, with great potential for modernization. Not a technological breakthrough, of course, but today it is still quite suitable. Darling only infection. Although, it’s not for us to pay , let Frau the gynecologist have a headache .

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: razmik72

that's when the real one comes out, then we'll see.

Judging by the perfection of detection devices on modern tanks, he will be the first to see you.

[godofwar6699]

video from 2012

[sgazeev]

Quote: razmik72

Quote: Pereira

Cool.
You can make films about the reflection of invasions of aliens. The most that.
But really fight on the Armata T-25.

In the picture, the tank looks very futuristic and cool, but when the real one comes out, then we'll see.

[Verdun]

Quote: razmik72

but when the real one comes out, then we'll see.

When you see the car shown in the video, you understand - talk about

however, this will not happen until 2030.

- this is to calm the nerves of a potential enemy. Apparently, this is already a fully working pre-production sample. At the same time, I would like to note that the Germans know how to make good tanks. And I'm not sure if this machine is a deep upgrade of the Leopard 2A4. Rather, it is a deliberate evolutionary development. At the same time, the creators of the German tank did not abandon the traditional tower for the sake of the newfangled trend, although the Germans have experience in creating armored vehicles with an uninhabited tower. You can, of course, continue to sing the patriotic health resorts "Armate". Or you can try to evaluate the new German tank really.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Verdun

At the same time, the creators of the German tank did not abandon the traditional tower to please the new-fangled trend,

I mean, to call the crew away from ammunition with fuel in a highly protected armored capsule you call a fashion?
In my opinion, the modernization of the Leopard is reminiscent of fuss around the adaptation of a laser sight on a musket. What is only manual loading in the age of robotics and space technology.

[just exp]

This prototype is already 100 years old at lunch.
and they will be like the Amer with Abrash. there will be at least M1A952, it will still be abrasha.
and here, this super-improved Leo2 will remain so.

[Asadullah]

In the picture the tank looks very futuristic and cool

The picture reflects the general "fashion" for modern tanks. There is nothing revolutionary there. To oversalt with electronics is not a revolution. A tank can only have two revolutions. The first is metal. When they created something impenetrable, indestructible. The second is the concept. The poorly educated Asadullah sees such a concept for a tank of the future - it is not a tank, but a cluster strike armored group, consisting of an armored control vehicle, 6-8 autonomous robotic weapons, an arsenal vehicle and communication and guidance drones, including disposable ones for a salvo. Autonomous weapons are in the vanguard, they fight on guidance from drones, from time to time they retreat to the center, reload in an arsenal car, and again engage in battle. The damaged mechanisms also retreat to the rear. In the rearguard there is an armored control vehicle. IMHO, an attack from the links of such clusters will be very effective. Yes, and given the current state of affairs in the military industry, such developments are not far off.

[Rrrj]

Quote: Asadullah

The poorly educated Asadullah sees such a concept of the tank of the future

I’m afraid the cost will be good - few people can pull it — but the organization of work: a tank + a UAV + a center, etc. - yes.

[akims]

I don’t remember, unfortunately, the last name, a similar concept was voiced in 1982 by one of the chief engineers of the Morozov Design Bureau at the Malyshev plant. The concept tank was called "Boxer".

[Shuttle]

Quote: razmik72

In the picture, the tank looks very futuristic and cool, but when the real one comes out, then we'll see.

I do not understand what's futuristic?
German Leopard 2.
Well, really - they are stuffed with electronics, all kinds of television detectors, well, they’ll make an even smarter guided projectile, well, they’ll make even more cunning active armor. Perhaps they will even do something similar to our Afghanite. But what's revolutionary, what's futuristic?
While the video is the same gun 120 mm without a hint of an increase in muzzle energy. The same chassis, the same layout, crew placement, ammunition, and therefore the reservation. Well, they will make the engine better than now. The Germans know how to do it.
No, I strongly believe that there is one mistake in the video. The armor should say "MBT Evolution", not "MBT Revolution".

In order to make a revolution, something very, very new must be done.
For example, an engine with OBV in the aircraft industry gave a completely new quality to our aircraft. The Osprey tiltrotor gave a completely new vehicle for the American landing. The Faust cartridge once gave the Germans a unique opportunity for the infantry to fight our tanks. Guided ammunition for its accuracy gave a second life to the barrel artillery and bombs. MLRS gave unattainable for barreled artillery fire density.
In tank building, the location of the armored personnel at an angle to the direction of the most probable shelling made it possible to repel enemy ammunition. The use of diesel made the tank more tenacious and unpretentious. Arms stabilizer allowed to conduct high-precision firing from the move. Means of night vision allowed to fight at night.
I don't see anything revolutionary in this "revolutionary" tank. Natural evolution.

The revolution of Almaty is not so much in the unification of military vehicles for various purposes, but in the layout. A truly uninhabited fighting compartment, telecontrol of all the organs of the machine, not excluding driving, make it possible to create a real teletank, an unmanned tank, and a crewless tank. And this is a revolutionary breakthrough no less than the American drones have made a real revolution in aviation.

[yugan]

the tiger also looked futuristic at one time, however we remember that it was 9 of May

[zennon]

Quote: manganese

the tiger also looked futuristic at one time, however we remember that it was 9 of May

I don’t know if you know, but 1354 units were produced during the entire war. Their number in the ranks did not exceed 400 units at a time. On all fronts, including northern Europe! Here's a summary of the number of T-34s produced:

1940 g. - 110 (+ 2 prototype),
1941 - 2996,1942 - 12527,
1943 - 15821,
1944 - 14648,
1945 - 12551,
1946 g. - 2707.
No wonder what happened on May 9th.

[Alexey-74]

I think by .... 30 the tanks will look more futuristic

[GSH-18]

According to the developers, MBT Revolution should become a “serious competitor of“ Almaty ”, but this will not happen before 2030.

Oooh! By that time we already have a new "Armata" for this "Revolution" of theirs.

[Pavel Ordynsky]

TTX of course are not given, which engine, which gun, armor? Or is it still written with a pitchfork on water?

[Altona]

Quote: Pavel Ordynsky

TTX of course are not given, which engine, which gun, armor? Or is it still written with a pitchfork on water?

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But all sorts of "intercoms" on the tower are in abundance, the whole tower is surrounded by cameras. And monitors inside with an abundance of information.

[Scoun]

Quote: Pereira

Cool.

Really cool! I especially liked shooting on the move, very dynamic!

Quote: Pereira

But really fight

Here on the forum, one comrade posted a link about the BMP-3 and there was a moment where the 100 gun and the 30 mm gun paired with it were mentioned. So there is such a moment there that an automatic line of 30 mm guns (or two) stopped the tank (like the T-64) of course there was no penetration of the armor, but the tank became like a lick)))
In general, what’s the point, any tank in which all systems are sharpened for external electronic devices has their vulnerability in the form. Of course, the tank will see further shoot further, but it is easier to hide a person with smaller dimensions of the weapon, and after the electronics are damaged ...
I will find the link. I myself am not a tanker)))

[Armored optimist]

And if you still blow up an electromagnetic bottle above it?

[Pereira]

When Shilka shoots at the tank, she, of course, does not penetrate armor.
But inside the tank pieces of armor break off, handles and toggle switches fly off from instruments and equipment, etc. All this rushes through the reserved space and cripples the crew.

[Berkut24]

Well, actually, already from ancient times, anti-fragmentation bombs have been installed on armored vehicles. In addition, the current armor has a multilayer structure and does not suffer from such a drawback in principle.

[vorobey]

Quote: Pereira

But inside the tank pieces of armor break off

it was possible on cars of the 60s with monolithic armor .. this problem was simply solved by lining .. inside the tower ...

[Pereira]

I do not argue about the reservation. I know what a lining is.
But the rest is left.
If the equipment is firmly attached to the wall, the dynamic impact of a projectile is transmitted to the entire structure. And besides metal there is still plastic. So there is something to fly.

[vorobey]

Quote: Pereira

I do not argue about the reservation. I know what a lining is.
But the rest is left.
If the equipment is firmly attached to the wall, the dynamic impact of a projectile is transmitted to the entire structure. And besides metal there is still plastic. So there is something to fly.

I dare to report that the equipment is mounted through shock absorbers, if the truth has not changed, except for the sights of surveillance devices and so on, in addition, all equipment that is attached is rigidly attached not directly to the walls of the tower ..

[novobranets]

Quote: vorobey

.. this problem was simply solved by a rebound .. inside the tower ...

Even on the T-34 they used felt lining, it doesn’t burn cheaply and angrily, it slightly protects from frost in the winter, and most importantly from small and razor-sharp fragments of the inside of the armor when ingots are hit.

[mav1971]

Quote: Pereira

When Shilka shoots at the tank, she, of course, does not penetrate armor.
But inside the tank pieces of armor break off, handles and toggle switches fly off from instruments and equipment, etc. All this rushes through the reserved space and cripples the crew.

Og ..

A tank stuffed with all kinds of electronics - it’s just like a village laziness to stand and wait for Shilke firing at it - the ammunition will end.

How many here on the site are lovers of spherical horses with a margin from reality.

[Pereira]

And who said that shelling tanks with Shilka is a normal combat technique? I spoke only about the technical feasibility, as well as for the BMP with a 30 mm cannon, which is also not designed to fight the Abrams.

You must be able to criticize too.

[mav1971]

Quote: Pereira

And who said that shelling tanks with Shilka is a normal combat technique? I spoke only about the technical feasibility, as well as for the BMP with a 30 mm cannon, which is also not designed to fight the Abrams.

You must be able to criticize too.

And why discuss in a distant manner what is possible only "in a greenhouse" - on a landfill?
The technical possibility is to cover all the optics of the tank with bird and pork droppings, but no one takes it seriously.

So why do you take seriously Shilka shelling the latest tank?
It is just as frivolous and unrealistic.

[Pereira]

This is serious, if you remember how the Iraqi Abrams were knocked out.
I repeat, I do not claim that Shilka is a vocational school. I argue that a hail of shells on armor from a demolished DZ is capable of injuring the crew. That's all I wanted to say and said.

You must also be able to argue.

[Scoun]

Quote: mav1971

And why discuss in a distant manner what is possible only "in a greenhouse" - on a landfill?

That's until you wrote it all)))
Now it becomes clearer why "Armata" is in the series, why it has "bulges" in the tower))) in which some of the equipment is hidden and why the "birdhouse" has armor shields on the tower)) and why MVT is not soon ... Yes, because in the forests, mountains and among various structures near the MVT, he will sweep away all the spider's eyes with bricks, branches, stones and the final view will no longer look like the one shown in the video. Looks like now just the electronic, optical and other devices themselves are being tested.

Quote: Verdun

So that's the problem of "Armata". Viewing and aiming are carried out through electronic devices located in an uninhabited tower.

so that's why I wrote

Quote: Scoun

any tank in which all systems are sharpened for external electronic devices has their vulnerability in the form.

and I hope that the "Armata" under the tower not only has a "peephole" for the mechanical drive (in addition to the birdhouse on the tower).

[vorobey]

Quote: mav1971

Quote: Pereira

When Shilka shoots at the tank, she, of course, does not penetrate armor.
But inside the tank pieces of armor break off, handles and toggle switches fly off from instruments and equipment, etc. All this rushes through the reserved space and cripples the crew.

Og ..

A tank stuffed with all kinds of electronics - it’s just like a village laziness to stand and wait for Shilke firing at it - the ammunition will end.

How many here on the site are lovers of spherical horses with a margin from reality.

and the stupid crews are selected very dumb but very brave ...

[Verdun]

Quote: mav1971

A tank stuffed with all kinds of electronics - it’s just like a village laziness to stand and wait for Shilke firing at it - the ammunition will end.

When the "Shilka" of four barrels fires a short-term volley at the tank (long and not necessary), all the optics and electronics are poured inside the fired vehicle. A mighty combat vehicle turns into an unworkable armored box. Another thing is that the armor of the Shilka itself is not enough to protect the crew from tank shells.

[mav1971]

Quote: Verdun

When the "Shilka" of four barrels fires a short-term volley at the tank (long and not necessary), all the optics and electronics are poured inside the fired vehicle. A mighty combat vehicle turns into an unworkable armored box. Another thing is that the armor of the Shilka itself is not enough to protect the crew from tank shells.

"- He can eat, and he would eat, but who will give him ..." (c) anecdote

[akims]

At Shilka, self-destructors fire after 2,5 km. At Almaty prits. range up to 7 km.

[Verdun]

Quote: Scoun

In general, what’s the point, any tank in which all systems are sharpened for external electronic devices has their vulnerability in the form.

So that's the problem of "Armata". Viewing and aiming is carried out through electronic devices located in an uninhabited tower. The crew has no access there, and therefore the ability to aim in the traditional way, in the event of electronics failure, is not observed.

[Maksus]

Another attempt to create a "Euro" or "NATO" tank. Only all these attempts in the past ended in nothing, the Americans refused to work closely with Europe and created the Abrams monster, the Germans, Angles and French also fled. So now we are waiting for only Hans to remain, but will the Bundeswehr pull such a burden alone?

[Vend]

Quote: Pereira

Cool.
You can make films about the reflection of invasions of aliens. The most that.
But really fight on the Armata T-25.

Explain what's cool here? He shot a couple of times, it is not known where and whether he hit. Well, I drove, well, we put the camera on the barrel, so take any program from "Zvezda" there is a cart of such frames and a small cart. It looks so interesting and nothing more. No characteristics, the video was shot with high quality, good PR. But only.

[Russian]

The West is dreaming of the future, and Russia with the T-14 in reality.

[MaxGerb]

Yes, nothing cool, sad even somehow. Based on the text, this is a direct competitor to the 90th, but not like Almaty. Nothing new, only deep modernization,

[Basarev]

Only we have the nineties not so much. All indulge in cosmetic modifications seventy-two. We all understand that the T-72B3 is not equivalent to the T-90 in spite of all patriotic bravado.

[GSH-18]

The developers and the gun stabilization system noted: “when the car moves over rough terrain, the gun remains virtually stationary, "the comment says.

Well, finally they concocted a gun stabilizer like our T-90. But only to pass it off as a new development is somehow not solid

[Berber]

To declare is not to do. What will happen at the output is unknown. Perhaps the next "Mouse".

[godofwar6699]

Singapore Leopard 2SG MBT

[Alexez]

The mugs of the tankers are green - gyyy ...))))

[Pavel Ordynsky]

Quote: godofwar6699

Singapore Leopard 2SG MBT

high-quality equipment, and new leopards, and Israeli air defense, French and Amer’s armor are a good army. Is Singapore really an island with whom they were going to fight on earth?

[Asadullah]

high-quality equipment, and new leopards, and Israeli air defense, French and Amer’s armor are a good army. Is Singapore really an island with whom they were going to fight on earth?

With someone who can claim ownership of the territory, Malaysia.

[akims]

They ate green Chernobyl rice !!!

[Gray brother]

Quote: BerBer

... Perhaps the next "Mouse".

So far, only another "Leopard" has turned out.

[kapitan92]

Quote: BerBer

What will happen at the output is unknown. Perhaps the next "Mouse".

I am sure that it will turn out to be a serious rival to our T 14. Do not underestimate the possibilities of German tank construction. The commercial is not bad, the tank looks.

Quote: BerBer

To declare does not mean to do

"... For several months now, full-fledged field tests of the entire MBT Revolution complex as a whole, and not of each system separately, have been underway. Based on their results, it will be possible to judge the prospects of Rheinmetall's creation. MBT of the Revolution "....
Than they "stuffed" it-see. link.
http://army-news.ru/2012/04/nemeckij-tank-leopard-2a4-revolution/

[Muvka]

Quote: kapitan92

Quote: BerBer

What will happen at the output is unknown. Perhaps the next "Mouse".

I am sure that it will turn out to be a serious rival to our T 14. Do not underestimate the possibilities of German tank construction. The commercial is not bad, the tank looks.

Quote: BerBer

To declare does not mean to do

"... For several months now, full-fledged field tests of the entire MBT Revolution complex as a whole, and not of each system separately, have been underway. Based on their results, it will be possible to judge the prospects of Rheinmetall's creation. MBT of the Revolution "....
Than they "stuffed" it-see. link.
http://army-news.ru/2012/04/nemeckij-tank-leopard-2a4-revolution/

Is it the same as aircraft manufacturing? When they decided to bomb ISIS, it turned out that a light bulb in the cockpit interferes at night and shines in the eyes. Here are the builders, so the builders. Without the experience of real fighting.

[Engineer]

Something rusty staples of caterpillar tracks on the video tell me that the tank of the future has been idle for a long time unnecessarily.

[Alexez]

You do not understand anything, rusty tracks are brutality in German !!!

[alpamys]

Quote: Engineer

Something rusty staples of caterpillar tracks on the video tell me that the tank of the future has been idle for a long time unnecessarily.

you look at the disc brakes of your car the day after the rain, they will also be rusty.

[lis-ik]

By the way, it’s absolutely true, but also the sounds will not be pleasant, as if there were already khan pads.

[DMB_95]

In the video, the tower is inhabited. So in the armored capsule there is only a driver, which is unlikely.

[Baloo_bst]

Of course, not a specialist, but I could not understand whether it was convenient to get a driver from under the tower.
There are still not many "modules" and the mechanic will have to make doors in the bottom. Or climb through the tower.

[Good cat]

It looks like a hat!

[Aaron Zawi]

Yes, they are not in a hurry anywhere and are not going to attack anyone. The Germans have about 250 tanks a day. In the Italian army, there are 30 vehicles left on balance. The Netherlands and Belgium generally removed the tanks from service. This is a threat from the West.

[gray smeet]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

This is a threat from the West.

There is always a threat from the West for Russia - we know the history. And now there is real evidence for this - at least the Ukraine project, or the Turkey project ...

For Israel, there is no threat from the West - this is a fact.

[bulvas]

Quote: Aaron Zawi

Yes, they are not in a hurry anywhere and are not going to attack anyone. The Germans have about 250 tanks a day. In the Italian army, there are 30 vehicles left on balance. The Netherlands and Belgium generally removed the tanks from service. This is a threat from the West.

This is true. Most new weapons are primarily goods.

[NordUral]

Aron! And who told you that they, the West, will attack with armored armada? I think that if the world war begins, so only the States and only from the air and from orbit.

[Gray brother]

Quote: Aron Zaavi

. This is a threat from the West.

Europe is shifting the main burden of military spending to the United States, which is why this is the picture.
I don’t care how many tanks Germany has. There are still more American tanks there.

German Defense Minister Ursula Gertrude von der Layen brought "good" news to compatriots. According to von der Layen, about 800 American tanks are returning to Germany after they were withdrawn from US military bases located on German territory in 2012-2013. It is reported by the German edition of Münchner Merkur. The return of hundreds of American tanks to Europe is associated with "countering the buildup of Russian military potential and the possible aggression of Russia."
However, all these tanks in Germany, the United States plans not to leave. According to the American General Hodges, the commander of the European grouping of the US Army, part of the tanks can be sent to Poland, Romania and the Baltic countries.

http://topwar.ru/70941-ministr-oborony-frg-zayavila-o-skorom-vozvraschenii-v-ger
maniyu-soten-amerikanskih-tankov.html

[akims]

Damned b. the invaders! As many as 280 megakosmorobobototanki !!!
I don’t know how you are, but I already dug a cellar at my dacha: 2 * 1 * 2 - just in case!

[NEXUS]

This video went on an Internet about two years ago. An advertising brochure for a layman. What kind of competitor is it even if it has a tower? I’m not talking about what will happen if a 30 mm cannon is put on Armata by the year 152 and more than one upgrade of our platform in general.

[Vadim237]

Well, this tank is made at a technological level with T 14 and it doesn’t matter that the Leopard 2A7 has an inhabited tower, the ammunition is located separately from the crew.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Vadim237

Well, this tank is made at a technological level with T 14

Before the execution, it’s still creeping back to China. And the big question is whether this will be in the planned volume.

Quote: Vadim237

and it’s not important that the Leopard 2A7 has an inhabited tower,

It’s just very important. And Armata is much closer to the concept of combat robots than any other tank, and by the 30th year it may well be that some of our tank units will be equipped with unmanned armored platforms that can do work no worse than crew platforms.

[mav1971]

Quote: NEXUS

It’s much closer to the concept of combat robots than any other tank, and by the 30 year it may well be that some of our tank units will be equipped with unmanned armored platforms that can do work no worse than crew platforms.

I believe that you are singing praises on our side too early for combat robots.
The same Uranium-9 is just a remotely controlled machine.
This is not a robot at all.
She is not independent in decision making.
The same cars in tests and annual DARPA competitions for independent movement from point to point are much more robots.

And robots (independent decision makers, we really need.
But.
Not in ground equipment.

And in the underwater and aviation.
Why? everything is simple.
We need to guard the borders from the side of the Arctic Ocean.

The creation of automated aircraft DRLO - would allow to close the air borders.
It will not be necessary to maintain airfields in the zone of eternal cold and to keep people there.
There are no problems with large radars in the north due to constant distortions (due to some magnetic problems associated with some kind of auroral regions - here I am dumb).
The trends of modern drones are an example.
A flight day is feasible, only because of the fuel supply.
Automatic refueling - there are already facts.
So the heels of Global Hawk-level devices are just what you need.
It was necessary to start developing back in the 70's, 80's.

We needed to create automated underwater search and escort vehicles to control the northern seas as well.
Patrol, detect, sit on the tail and escort.

Having worked out the technique of detection and independent tracking, it would be possible to continue work already in the field of the use of weapons.

Etc.
in my opinion, this was exactly what should have been the task in the field of military robotics.
And now this is what continues to be the main task.
And not ground "radio-controlled cars", which for some reason are referred to as robotics.

[techie]

Fine! Let them lag behind our design thoughts. By 30, they will compete with Armate. After 14 years, I can’t even imagine what kind of car we will already have a tank flagship. So let their designers also not represent! And when they see it, they will immediately come up with a car that will compete with us ... for 50!

[godofwar6699]

[quote = techie] Let them lag behind our design thoughts.

uninhabited tower?

[godofwar6699]

M1128 Mobile Gun System

[akims]

You noticed what goons collect sleeves !!!

[Alf]

Quote: akims

You noticed what goons collect sleeves !!!

Germans, ordnung above all!

[mav1971]

Quote: techie

Fine! Let them lag behind our design thoughts. By 30, they will compete with Armate. After 14 years, I can’t even imagine what kind of car we will already have a tank flagship. So let their designers also not represent! And when they see it, they will immediately come up with a car that will compete with us ... for 50!

Read the terms of development and commissioning of tanks.
Starting for example with the T-64 ...

The solutions laid down in Armata have been tested in R&D since the mid-80's.
When the funding for the development of the 21 century tank was started.
Sorry, but 30 years of development is not a little.
And the term of life was attributed to her under 50 years.

[Aliv]

“Already from the first shots, one can understand that the tower of the tank is thoroughly“ stuffed ”with electronics.
Already from the photo it is clear that the mass and dimensions of the tank exceeded all reasonable limits. Welcome to visit us in Russia. Sorry, the roads for these monsters will not be built soon.

[COJIDAT]

It would be nice to come up with changing asphalt - if the enemy rides, then he turns into a bunch of shit))

[kapitan92]

Quote: COJIDAT

It would be nice to come up with changing asphalt - if the enemy rides, then he turns into a bunch of shit))

We put the asphalt in places and a little bit,
So that every occupant is stuck on the outskirts.
Trofim.
No need to invent anything, our asphalt and without an enemy into a bunch of gov-a turns!

[novobranets]

Quote: kapitan92

our asphalt and without enemy into a bunch of shit turns!

Good asphalt on the road does not roll.

[vlad_vlad]

Quote: COJIDAT

It would be nice to come up with changing asphalt - if the enemy rides, then he turns into a bunch of shit))

They forgot to build the "friend or foe" identifier into the asphalt, which is why he sees enemies everywhere and always.

[novobranets]

Quote: vlad_vlad

he sees enemies everywhere and always.

[Alf]

Quote: COJIDAT

It would be nice to come up with changing asphalt - if the enemy rides, then he turns into a bunch of shit))

[killganoff]

Interestingly, if he sticks a marker with a pentball marker, then will he see far and who will clean them?

[RedBaron]

Well, if you get to the tank on alert and even alive, then yes ... it will sweep away with counts, wash it under pressure and fry under your tail from the main caliber, and the idea is just five. Keep it up.
ps Did you even have a car? did you see an auto-cleaner for headlights?

[Monos]

The stabilization of the gun is impressive. True, by the 30th year the current "Armata" will be already passed the stage. Let them chase phantoms.

[Vetal999]

Interesting tank. Judging by the presence of hatches, his tower is inhabited - the concept is old. So dviglo, armor materials, guns (???) and electronics are new?
The fact that the Germans now do not have enough money for rearmament is not for long.

[Alexez]

Deep modernization ... by 2030! SPIN !!! By the 2030th I’m afraid I’ll no longer need it. But the video was certainly shot expertly and pokatushki-postrelushki and even a truck in the sight with automatic tracking!

[Flinky]

By 2030, we will already make a new "Armata".

[sir_obs]

The cartoon was cut off, at the end the tank shatters, behind the scenes Arabic speech is heard and people with RPGs in the bushes

[DMB_95]

Ahhhh .. Damn it, damn it!

[NordUral]

It seems to me that if there was a big war, and a big war would necessarily be with the use of nuclear weapons, there would be no need for these toys.

[alpamys]

what can I say, Russian and German manufacturers occupy a podium, recently the Germans won the biathlon, although it was small by Russian standards.

The German military won the tank championship of NATO

Representatives of the Bundeswehr won the main prize of the Strong Europe Tank Challenge (SETC) competition - the revived NATO tank championship in Europe, the Pentagon official newspaper Stars and Stripes reports.

https://news.mail.ru/politics/25768911/?frommail=1

[family tree]

Four years ago, he was already two years old
http://topwar.ru/10575-osnovnoy-boevoy-tank-revolyuciya.html
By the way, he was "the newest" even then. Everything will never grow old

[Wedmak]

By the way, he was "the newest" even then. Everything will never grow old

It is not otherwise that they bathe in the blood of virgins.

[family tree]

Quote: Wedmak

It is not otherwise that they bathe in the blood of virgins.

Come on! Not, on the harp, at the rust, corrosion, if smart

[SeregaBoss]

So whoever I stole a mirror with a bracket from a gazelle! Well, nothing will come out in the field. I'll take his antennas for the radio!

[Polar Bear]

“Already from the first shots, one can understand that the tower of the tank is thoroughly“ stuffed ”with electronics. These are video cameras, guidance systems that provide the crew with an all-round view. The gunner's dashboard is fully computerized. Equipped with a tower and active defense system "

As my lieutenant colonel says:
"What is the difference between foreign military equipment and ours? Ours, in addition to electronic control, also has manual control. That is, if our equipment fails, our military can rely on manual control. If foreign equipment fails, the electronics fail. , then the foreign military has no choice but to hope in God. "

[alpamys]

Quote: Polar Bear

“Already from the first shots, one can understand that the tower of the tank is thoroughly“ stuffed ”with electronics. These are video cameras, guidance systems that provide the crew with an all-round view. The gunner's dashboard is fully computerized. Equipped with a tower and active defense system "

As my lieutenant colonel says:
"What is the difference between foreign military equipment and ours? Ours, in addition to electronic control, also has manual control. That is, if our equipment fails, our military can rely on manual control. If foreign equipment fails, the electronics fail. , then the foreign military has no choice but to hope in God. "

with manual control for today, the current Papuans armed bows under the command of your dad can be defeated.

[Polar Bear]

I would have looked at your foreign "popuas" who remained in the open ocean or desert without access to control of equipment.

[mav1971]

Quote: Polar Bear

I would have looked at your foreign "popuas" who remained in the open ocean or desert without access to control of equipment.

AND...
Well ... the open ocean ...
Well ... desert ...

Every day there?
In proud loneliness?
"A lone tank is crossing the Karakum desert ..."
"The tank crew went to cross the Indian Ocean under cover of secrecy from everyone, and especially from their superiors ..."

It’s not funny to invent unrealistic absurdities and believe in them as an axiom?

[Jamuqa]

then these Papuans from RPGs with manual control Abramsy and T-72 harness

[iliitchitch]

Do you even live to be 30? Think about it, otherwise it’s some kind of revolution.

[Stabilization]

The Germans are certainly great. Engineering and design at the height. It is unfortunate that they are not allies to us and not even partners anymore ... I hope this situation will change without another war.

[HMR333]

))) they already riveted the video and tell them even though they didn’t even start making the first sample; even the project isn’t ready)) but, in fact, the same leo is outwardly smoothed from above and has a couple of smoke! but about the article, he writes about active defense, he didn’t observe something about it and about optics, the review so the optics and the 360 ​​review have been used for a long time and on previous generations of tanks what’s new to brag about! in general, they decided they say once there is no tank, we will show people a video let them rejoice and let others be afraid! Yes, and remembering home-made amateur videos, unlike them, there were a lot of armata, but as a result, not one did not seem to appeal! so what they drew in the video is .....

[YohanPalych]

As conceived by the developers, MBT Revolution should become "a serious competitor of Armata"

At one time, the German tank T-5 "Panther", as conceived by the developers, was to become a serious competitor to the T-34. And where is that "Panther" now ???

[Yakut14]

As where? A long time ago in the dustbin of history! And our killer whale still rides in parades!

[Dyatko Nebatko]

Who first got up - that and slippers!
Now everyone will evaluate Armata as a standard, and everything else as crafts based on it!

[yehat]

the tank is very similar to black panther2
I think most of his features are similar.
probably Armata will be more tenacious, but you can not relax.
We need to develop further - for example, there was a big threat of shelling with ammunition from above

[Wedmak]

And someone claimed that the tanks of the future are multi-functional platforms with modular content and an uninhabited combat module. Ours dodged, made, and these hollow breeds issued another Leopard modernization.
What, by the way, do Americans think on this topic? When and by what will Abrams be replaced? I would like to see this monster.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wedmak

When and by what will Abrams be replaced? I would like to see this monster.

One of the prototypes of a light American uninhabited tank undergoing Black Knight tests:

There is still such an option with an electromagnetic gun (layout).

[Thunderbolt]

The Americans developed a variant with an uninhabited turret, 140 mm cannon, AZ based on the Abrams. But work in this direction was curtailed at the end of the last century.

[Wedmak]

were curtailed at the end of the last century

Were minimized and even now there is no hint of their continuation?

[Wedmak]

Um ... a lung? Something like an uninhabited Bradley for the ILC? Curious. But these are toys for now, as I understand it. And where is the newest MBT from the "coolest" country in the world? How many abrashki can you finish?

[NEXUS]

Quote: Wedmak

And where is the newest MBT from the "coolest" country in the world? How many abrashki can you finish?

Here is one of the prototypes ...

tank PL-01.

[Wedmak]

Thank you, but I saw this prototype several years ago already. Famously rode on the concrete. It turns out that beyond concepts and completions did not advance.

[Pitot]

Looks like a Frenchman from the 2nd World War ....

[VNP1958PVN]

Well, let them drive up to the tank biathlon, and then we'll see! (At least once by the year 2030 he was still on plastic from a 3D printer, that is, he was late) By then, Armata will begin to fly.

[Yak-15]

In my humble opinion, German tanks since the Second World War have always looked as if they were chopped down with an ax and without the subsequent use of files. And although this is a tank, not an airplane, there is nothing "aerodynamic" in Western cars, therefore they are more reminiscent of rollers for asphalt or clumsy brontosaurs.

[roman72-452]

They will do it and take a look, but a huge platform-tower, striking in the eye, that it would be easier to destroy from the air or some other task, did not understand. Compare the contours of Armata, everything is arranged somewhat differently there.

[Skubudu]

But the Fritzev tower has a low profile, and the T-14 has a too high tower, in my opinion this is a big minus.
The military will not adopt such a tall tank. IMHO. The tower will be redone.

[Red_Hamer]

"Gloomy engineering, German genius", about the T-14, and the "ARMATA" project in general, everything is strangled by a toad! Let it strangle!

[Berkut24]

Well, not a tank yet, but its layout. This is the first.
Until 2030 ... the T-14 will already celebrate the anniversary and modernization of the series and it may turn out like it did with the F-16. A killer was being prepared for the MIG-21, but the result was a surprise in the form of the MIG-29. This is the second.
And thirdly, something tells me that the financing of the launch of the project in a series with current trends will not be decided by the German government, but by the European Caliphate’s defense ministry.

[iliya87]

Well done !!! Congratulations to our German and French colleagues! By 2030, we can already learn to walk tanks)) well, but seriously, you can do without a crew for sure.

[sso-xnumx]

the tank "is adapted to any climatic conditions and can fight both day and night."

And minus 50 Celsius checked? And then our Buryat tankers will not even have to shoot. Pull out the frozen carcasses who will ???

[Wedmak]

Who will pull out the frozen carcasses ???

Why pull them out? Let them lie there, better security than mammoths will have. Descendants will remember. Long.

[Vadim237]

"As conceived by the developers, MBT Revolution should become" a serious competitor to "Armata", but this will not happen until 2030 ". - Actually, this tank is already in the series.

[Forest]

One prototype, which has been dragging 4 of the year already in exhibitions. In addition to the review, it has no advantages at all over the 2A7, and in terms of armament it is even inferior.

[Vadim237]

Actually, 20 cars have already been manufactured, and the rest 200 2A6 will be converted into 2A7 + in German armament

[Forest]

You are confused with Leo 2A7. MBT Revolution is Leo 2A4 with improved armor and SLA, and nothing more. Nobody is going to buy it because of hopelessness.

[Buffet]

Not impressive ... They try to squeeze all the juice out of old ideas and concepts. As mentioned above, the mass of the tank, the manned tower ... And also, what is its cost? This is a combat vehicle, it doesn't have to be "gold" ...

[BOB044]

A video appeared on the official YouTube channel of the German concern Rheinmetal, which shows the new MBT Revolution tank,

As in the Kursk Bulge, they put out their menagerie, and we kicked them out with our St. John's Wort at all. And the side-view mirrors on the brackets are like on our UAZ.

[mav1971]

Quote: BOB044

As in the Kursk Bulge, they put out their menagerie, and we kicked them out with our St. John's Wort at all. And the side-view mirrors on the brackets are like on our UAZ.

you would read the story ...
Especially about St. John's wort on the Kursk Bulge ...
In the main battles near Prokhorovka did not participate.
In parts "on the Kursk Bulge" there were only 12 pieces.
In the second line.

Anyway, about the Kursk arc and the battles of Prokhorovka - you should read ...

On the Kursk Bulge, we lost 12-330 tanks and self-propelled guns irretrievably only in the 340 of July.
The Germans are from 150 to 250, but ... irrevocable - there is a figure from 80 to 100.

all our losses from 5 to 22 of July - 1600 tanks and self-propelled guns.
The Germans have about 250-300.

Who kicked someone then?


Excerpt from a letter from 20 on August 1943 of the commander of the 5 tank army Rotmistrov addressed to Marshal Zhukov:

“... When the Germans, with their tank units, move, at least temporarily, to the defensive, they thereby deprive us of our maneuvering advantages and, conversely, begin to fully utilize the aiming range of their tank guns, while at the same time almost inaccessible from our aimed tank fire ... Thus, when we collide with the German tank units that have switched over to defense, we, as a general rule, suffer huge losses in tanks and have no success ”

Quote from the German archive: "The tank dump took place only in the direction of the first strike of the Germans, the" tigers "fired without interference, as in a shooting range (some crews declared up to 30 victories). It was not a battle, but a beating."

"Only on July 12, 1943, that is, on the main day of the tank battle near Prokhorovka, which, in fact, figures most of all in historical research, according to the highly professional calculations of L. Lopukhovsky, the irrecoverable losses of the sides in armored vehicles on this day correlate approximately as 6 : 1 not in favor of the 5th Guards TA under the command of Rotmistrov. The ratio of irrecoverable losses during the seven-day Prokhorov battle is 5: 1 "


Learn the story, so as not to repeat such mistakes later ...

[katalonec2014]

Quote: Scoun

and after the electronics is damaged ..

He will have to get out of the battle. And then the question arises of his maintainability in the field. In fairness it is worth noting that the car is still impressive.

[mav1971]

Quote: katalonec2014

Quote: Scoun

and after the electronics is damaged ..

He will have to get out of the battle. And then the question arises of his maintainability in the field. In fairness it is worth noting that the car is still impressive.

you know or not. but I will write anyway.
Foreign tanks are so expensive including and because of the modularity and the ability to provide modular repair in the field.
For example, the replacement of the engine and transmission in tanks such as Leopard and Leclerc is governed by a period of 1-2 hours. Changing the gun - no more than an hour.

[semuel]

Sorry for this in the dirt then.

[avg-mgn]

This is just an announcement of the concept. Type - there is a thought, there is a layout, give money. I was guarded by something else, judging by the information, there isn’t anything vile in the concept, not all of them have announced, of course, the question is what they hid.

[vetor]

The Germans did well, of course, but the Americans Abrams will lobby and interfere in every way. IMHO

[voyaka uh]

"but Americans Abrams will lobby and interfere in every possible way" ///

Abrams stopped releasing, only do upgrades
on released cars.
Now is a dead end in tank building. Do not know what is required
in upcoming conflicts.
Armata - crew capsule - a big step forward in terms of survival
tankers, but the west, apparently, will go in the direction of the KAZs.

[Skubudu]

Well, in general, in the Russian Federation they did not forget about KAZ, judging by the statements of the manufacturer, KAZ on the T-14 is capable of shooting down BPS.

[voyaka uh]

Well, in Russia, some tricky KAZ - without radar - was done.
So that KAZ can clearly see what is knocking down, you still need a powerful (and, unfortunately, expensive) headlamp

[Zaurbek]

And who said that without a radar? Just radars are there.

[Const]

Beautiful shooting pokatushek heavy tank. It’s too early to talk about competition with Armata. In general, Germany has an excellent engineering school and, unfortunately, they learned how to make money on it earlier than ours.

[Yakut14]

Is he definitely in metal? or is it printed on a 3D printer?

[Lecha57]

They were late with their modernization! I can’t catch up with our technologies. -Let them work for the public and advertising.

[freejack]

guys, what did you attack ...? It looks like the car isn’t so bad as you obo ... it. Not verified. I agree. Not a serial. I agree. Well, actually ... One fat minus. From the top view of the tower, a huge flat pancake like a target. And the tower is inhabited! ...

[Comrad]

All the same Leo2 in deep modernization

[Pitot]

First let them survive the Muslim-refugee plague (or smallpox), and then we will see who has what tanks .....

[alpamys]

A tank biathlon kicked off today in Norway.

Nordic Tank Challenge 2016

[Forest]

Krauss-Muffai has been rushing with this tank for many years, like Poroshenko with passports.

[Navuxonastupil]

But what kind of “Revolution”?.. So.. iron emission!

[Polar Bear]

Quote: Jamuha

then these Papuans from RPGs with manual control Abramsy and T-72 harness

Well, they don’t really burn... You can’t shoot or burn much with broken down equipment.

[Zomanus]

Damn, with so many electronics in tanks,
It’s worth thinking about anti-tank electronic warfare systems.
To remotely hang up the system and that’s it, like how we plant Beeples with “Avtobaza”.

[Zaurbek]

This tank was shown 5 years ago. This extreme modernization of Leo 2 is very close to Leclerc in terms of bells and whistles, but in terms of reliability, I don’t know. The Germans themselves and their clients decided to go with the Leo 2A7 variant.

[Vadim237]

On the Leopard 2A7+ they also added a remote machine gun turret and it can no longer be penetrated into the side projections from the RPG 7.

[Warrior2015]

In my opinion, a more than serious opponent is preparing...

[Zaurbek]

And its weight is 65-70 tons....

[svp67]

Well, there’s certainly nothing particularly revolutionary about this tank. The Germans took the simplest path in this situation and continued to modernize the Leo-2. And in principle, the latest modernization does not seem to have worsened cross-country ability or maneuverability, but raised firepower and security to a new level.
So - LOOK AT THE FIRST TANK OF THE UNITED EUROPEAN ARMY

[Transport]

Speaking about 2030, I think the Germans will build it earlier, or they will not build this tank at all. After all, by this time new technologies and weapons will appear. Therefore, the base from it (if it is promising) will most likely remain, but the tower and all the newly minted strays will be modified. IMHO.

[Clueless]

2030? Stop - so in Europe they are shouting that we will attack them, the poor. Gentlemen, Europeans, we won’t wait 14 years, we’ll rivet Armat in a couple of years and we’ll come to you - according to your forecasts :)

[DarkStar]

In Kubinka we’ll put it next to the mouse scraps

[Urri]

Today, a tank’s crew not only needs to be saved from its own automatic loader when its ammunition detonates, but also needs to be hidden under the turret. From the roof busters. Which is what was done in Armata. And to this lomu fiery greetings from SPBE

[Ros 56]

And this is not an excerpt from the new Terminator film. Nowadays you can create something like this on a computer; real designers’ jaws end up on the floor. They could at least bring him to the biathlon and show him whether he even drives on the ground or whether he’s a cartoon.

[twincam]

in my opinion it looks like Leopard 2.

[newterra]

Quote: Forest

Krauss-Muffai has been rushing with this tank for many years, like Poroshenko with passports.

How exactly said

[Konstantin Yu]

It’s better to hold back the enthusiasm about the armature, it’s only a small start in the race... how they will respond and how it will behave in reality... time will tell. The groundwork should be such that the concepts can rest...

And drones should fly to meet the American RS planes....urgently

Quote: mav1971

We needed to create automated underwater search and escort vehicles to control the northern seas as well.
Patrol, detect, sit on the tail and escort.

Exactly, ... you need to have fun in the military service not by seconds and mm, but by orders of magnitude, directions and types