The retirement age for officials will begin to rise from January 1

Vladimir Putin approved the law on raising the retirement age for officials, reports RIA News. The regulation will enter into force on January 1 2017.

“Under current law, men retire in 60 years, women in 55. Officials and the military receive not old-age payments, but a state retirement pension. At the same time, if in addition to the civil service, they have sufficient experience in another job, they can also receive a share of old-age pension, ”the agency explains.

According to the new law, the minimum work experience of civil servants, giving the right to pension benefits, will gradually increase.

As the newspaper notes, “the law establishes uniform conditions determining the right to retirement benefits for federal, regional and municipal employees.”

According to the agency, "The document also suggests that the retirement age for officials will increase annually by six months until it reaches 65 years for men and 63 for women."

Comments

[avvg]

In my opinion, officials are not only not opposed to raising the retirement age, they are even very happy to die at work.

[cniza]

They were very pleased ... bees against honey.

[AdekvatNICK]

This story takes roots from the day when quite recently (I accidentally poked buttons in the zomboyaschik and ... I got to Russia 24) and there Medvedev spoke in the Duma. Deputy Pupkin raised his hand and with a smile from all the deputies asked Uncle Dima to extend their "working life ". To which Medvedev replied with a smile

- Once you want everything so I think there will be no problems.

And he did. And the fact that the old-timers in the Duma apparently all do not care. He sits and presses a button, a decrepit creature, always falling asleep, drooling.

[Mahmut]

And everyone else will raise their retirement age after the election.

[edeligor]

Quote: Mahmut

And everyone else will raise their retirement age after the election.

With Kudrinsky dreams, they will begin to dispose of us in about 60 years, so our grandfathers did not fight for this. In France, the people rose only because of changes in labor legislation. In Russia, they decided to abolish pensions - delight and long applause! Maybe I exaggerate, dear ones?

[PHANTOM-AS]

Quote: edeligor

In Russia, they decided to abolish pensions - delight and long applause! Maybe I exaggerate, dear ones?

You are right, comrade, we have the only chance to survive is to demolish the existing power. (This is not a call, it is a statement of fact)

[mihasik]

Quote: Mahmut

And everyone else will raise their retirement age after the election.

According to the calculations of the results of the "primaries", as expressed in United Russia "and our media (Are we already an American colony?), Most of all came to the primary elections in Mordovia, as much as 16%! In Moscow, 4% ..... All-round victory of the party "United Russia" headed by Dmitry Medvedev. Let's see what happens in the fall ...

[user]

He sits and presses a button, a decrepit creature, always falling asleep, drooling.

Here, here - the time spent at the trough was increased, and for ordinary citizens - the main thing is to increase the "survival time" (do not be surprised there is such a term in the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation used in calculating pension accruals, that is, determines the amount of the Pension Fund of the Russian Federation) to increase, today it is 19 years and will be - for women 11 years.

And then suddenly everyone will survive to retirement.

[siberalt]

There are many nuances. Actually, there is a general rule for retirement. This is the minimum experience and age of 60 years for men, 55 for women. It is possible that the matter is in a special procedure for calculating pensions for officials. Or like everyone else, if you leave at 60, or higher (bureaucratic) if at 65. On the one hand, the salary is always higher than the pension except for judges and deputies of the State Duma (those who have life-time maintenance in the amount of salary). Perhaps some category of civil servants. He also goes and a service pension of 50%, if you work in addition to the salary and very good bonuses. Then what is the essence of optimization? I would like to hear the opinion of officials themselves on this issue. Something they are not at all indignant at raising the retirement age for them.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: siberalt

I would like to hear the opinion of officials themselves on this issue. Something they are not at all indignant at raising the retirement age for them

Is there any reason for indignation? Tea is not at the machine or in the field hunchback - the stomach will not be torn (unless hemorrhoids, as occupational disease will work). And so they will receive longer due to the position nishtyachki grandchildren provide.
But the rest of the population should be prepared - raising the retirement age is inevitable. If we take into account that the life expectancy of men in the Russian Federation is 65,6 years, then the state is a solid benefit. The average pensioner only needs to pay a pension for half a year.

[AdekvatNICK]

That was sarcasm ..

[Constanta]

Over the past 20 years, our loved ones have passed away
Nikolai Mikhailovich (turner) - at 66 years old,
Gennady Vasilievich (electrician) - at 63 years old,
Alexander Yurievich (locksmith) - at 42,
Elena Vasilievna (housewife) - at 70,
Sergey Vladimirovich (collector) - at the age of 28,
Alexey Alexandrovich (head physician) - at 54,
Sergey Alexandrovich (entrepreneur) - at the age of 57,
Claudia Gavrilovna (housewife) - at 62 years old.

[mihasik]

Quote: constanta

Over the past 20 years, our loved ones have passed away
Nikolai Mikhailovich (turner) - at 66 years old,
Gennady Vasilievich (electrician) - at 63 years old,
Alexander Yurievich (locksmith) - at 42,
Elena Vasilievna (housewife) - at 70,
Sergey Vladimirovich (collector) - at the age of 28,
Alexey Alexandrovich (head physician) - at 54,
Sergey Alexandrovich (entrepreneur) - at the age of 57,
Claudia Gavrilovna (housewife) - at 62 years old.

It may be rude, but the authorities thereby saved on 8 people. With the law will go faster ...

[DMB_95]

It bothers me that raising the retirement age for officials will begin (when the elections are held) to raise this age for everyone. The government has been talking about this for a long time. That's just to work hard at the age of 65 at the factory or somewhere else where there is hard physical work, not everyone can. And not everyone in 60-65 years will be able to undergo a medical examination for such work. As a result, a few years before retirement, a person will be on the street. And to find another job at that age is unrealistic, because there are enough young and healthy unemployed citizens. And the experience will be interrupted besides. Hobbling on? Until you hit 65 and you receive a pension cut off due to an interrupted length of service ... Get lost.

[andj61]

Quote: siberalt

I would like to hear the opinion of officials themselves on this issue. Something they are not at all indignant at raising the retirement age for them.

Why be indignant? The length of service is increasing; salaries are more than pensions! Moreover, the overwhelming number of SERIOUS officials do not have such a large salary - in any case, no more than 30 tr, and many have much less than that.
All this will only lead to the fact that it will be more difficult for young people to break through - those places that are vacated due to retirement and which young people can apply for now will really remain with today's pensioners.

[your1970]

siberalt
"I would like to hear the opinion of the officials themselves on this issue. Somehow they are not at all indignant about raising the retirement age for them."
There are a lot of nuances, there are really a LOT of them ... Our people (including on VO) at the word "civil servant" immediately see a picture: a minister (at least) or a deputy (who is not a civil servant for a second !!!!) with villas in the Bahamas, with accounts in Switzerland, with flashing lights, sometimes visiting Moscow at work ... Yes, there are such civil servants, but they are 3-5% of the total mass.
The average civil servant is a woman (from 30 to retirement), 1 a child, a husband - not always. Why? And it’s very simple - I have a chief expert expert with the maximum rank / length of service / premiums - last year’s income is 254 thousand rubles. And the rest (experts-experts) -175 000 for a year. And about discharge specialists, I generally am silent- 7 300 rubles a month (they only go to such work with grief or at least some experience). Pension with 17 000 rubles salary - you can calculate how crazy it will be, given the fact that I will not live (according to statistics !!)
Ami du peuple
"Tea is not at the machine or in the field hunchback - the stomach will not tear (unless hemorrhoids, as an occupational disease, will work)."
The usual dialogue in my office
- I need a piece of paper !!
what?
-Well, this (always waving their hands, so that it was clearer - usually in this place)
what?
-I do not know
-Who sent for her?
-emmaaauuu (never say, at least kill)
- probably to the ground?
-Oh !! AA !! yes !!
- pink (certificate of land right) or yellow (state certificate)?
-I do not know!!
-you got it?
-Yes!!
- before 1992 or after?
Ehuao, I don’t remember !! like pink ..
-Agricultural land or under the house?
-I do not know
-where do you live?
-there
-Worked on the collective farm?
-Yes!!
did you get a share?
Yes, but gave it to the farmer
-He was asked?
-yes, he says no, he / he died 20 years ago
-and then?
I gave it to another
we go from the other side:
-Do you want to sell the land (for it is already clear that agricultural land, and not under the house)?
-Yes!!
Have you been on the lists?
-Do not know (the worst option !!! for 27 000 evidence in a pile of books)
-And you did not give powers of attorney to anyone (land can be sold even under Tsar Gorokh) ??
-I do not know...
With the same mother, having shoveled through a bunch of books, we find, he looks and says "And I threw this out a long time ago - I thought they were not real" ... A dumb scene ...
Validol, Corvalol, ammonia are in a corner on a table ready ..

ZY, but this is a trifle - it’s worse when you have pensioners with a pension of 5 600 rubles to fine under the 7.1 Administrative Code - and there is a fine 5 000 rubles for individuals / individuals ..
these are our professional diseases ..

Z.Y. I’m going to write an article about the civil service for a long time, but my hands don’t reach,
- the people really include teachers / doctors / deputies as civil servants ...

[ARES623]

Quote: your1970

Z.Y. I’m going to write an article about the civil service for a long time, but my hands don’t reach,
- the people really include teachers / doctors / deputies as civil servants ...

And you write, at least a couple of lines with explanations. For the people (reading) to understand that civil servants are a rather important component in the complex mechanism of state (municipal) government. For not being burdened with a broad outlook, a significant category of citizens of the country of civil servants, to put it mildly, do not really respect.

[user]

For not being burdened with a broad outlook, a significant category of citizens of the country of civil servants, to put it mildly, do not really respect.

To be honest, I worked in the civil service for 4 years, but then I left. So I'll tell you this is another planet, with its own problems, priorities, subordination and execution, and the most important principle is "I am the boss (well, you understand)" and the main thing with a silly look is the eyes of the boss and to assent, in short, the service is for an amateur, and since rotation is not provided there, then judge for yourself who is there in the end remains to work. As for the pension, after a certain period, until recently it was 15 years old, now a law has been passed - 20 years, it makes up 75% of wages. If someone does not know, the average citizens have 30%.

[Svetlana]

Quote: your1970

Z.Y. I’m going to write an article about the civil service for a long time, but my hands don’t reach,
- the people really include teachers / doctors / deputies as civil servants ...

Dear, of course, I sympathize with you, I know what the work of an average statistical official, for example, from the regional administration of architecture or land use, is. I had to collide tightly. Routine work with documents, reception of the population a couple of times a week generally takes out the brain, different people come - literate, illiterate, adequate, inadequate. Working with people is especially difficult. But. Are such ordinary people to blame (whether they are literate or not, whether they know modern legislation or not is their own business) that we have created a bureaucratic state to the highest degree? Why are people forced to reissue documents that were executed with incredible difficulty in the 90s? What the hell do they want? And I’ll tell you: it’s not an old woman who comes to bow to an official with a hook, who doesn’t really hear anymore because of her senile deafness, and if she does, she doesn’t understand what language the official speaks (words does not know such) and what she needs to do in the end, where to go and who to pay for what. This is what the officials need. Well, not specifically for you, but in principle. To take into account all the land, all the real estate on it, count everything, register and divide everything. Where else is that unaccounted (no man's) left, to take over in time, that is, privatize, is still allowed. All officials, even the smallest ones, who have anything to do with the registration of "nobody's" real estate, were able to earn very well. Well, or if you issue all sorts of permits. You don’t want to sign and that's it. And someone desperately needs it. He invested a lot of money in construction, perhaps he took a loan so that the business would start earning and begin to give returns, and even land rent, and salaries for employees, and exorbitant taxes. What does he also need to unfasten a little bit so that things go faster? So, here's an article about the civil service. And the salaries are really small. The life of officials is hard, no doubt, our state is because it is an official, bureaucratic. To get one piece of paper, you need to provide 25.

[your1970]

"All officials, even the smallest ones, who have anything to do with the registration of" nobody's "real estate, were able to earn very well." - ONLY where this REAL ESTATE is needed by at least someone (Moscow, St. Petersburg, million-plus cities) - yes, there Moscow regional architects are killed, regalatas are imprisoned, etc.
All that is smaller is nobody needs in principle ..
Let me explain with an example, a person cannot inherit: the great-grandmother, grandmother, grandfather, mother, father died - and not one of them inherited the inheritance. TAXES DO NOT BE PAYED AT ALL, there is no owner. WHY WILL I STEP INTO INHERITANCE? TO PAY TAXES? YES ON ... !!!! and this is in the regional center, where those houses cost some money (500 000-1mln) ...
in the villages, a full paragraph is drawn up, God forbid, if a quarter, nobody knows who and where the owners are at home, basically, people stupidly change houses for 20-30-50 thousand ...
And you - permission, tidy up ....

".. we have created to the highest degree a bureaucratic state .." - the number of civil servants is comparable to the world average and even (now everyone will spit) - a little insufficient due to the large territories. Moreover, it is comparable to the number of civil servants in the USSR. in some periods of the existence of the USSR, it even overlapped - for example, in 1934 there were about 3 million civil servants ..

[st25310]

As M.S. Gorbachev: "the process has begun, comrades!"

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: st25310

As M.S. Gorbachev: "the process has begun, comrades!"

The social network is being turned off slowly but inevitably. For citizens, retirement age will increase after the election

[Monster_Fat]

They will definitely raise the retirement age for everyone. They simply chose the path according to the old Roman rule: divide and conquer. First, they will raise for government officials, and then for all other civil servants, and lastly for the rest of the people ... they will simply completely eliminate the pension - they will only leave the social benefit for old age. Yes, in practice, the pension itself has already been quietly eliminated for the majority of Russian citizens. For example, I was collecting papers for my pension and it turned out that I could not confirm my work experience! Most of the commercial companies where I worked after 1991 have long ceased to exist, and many of them did not even leave records in the archives (or they simply do not want to look in the archives). And the entries in the workbook of the type are not counted since there is no confirmation from the archives. So I am not entitled to a labor pension. Haha. I think the same situation is with all other citizens who were "lucky" to survive the 90s and the first decade of the XNUMXs.

[Mahmut]

As M.S. Gorbachev: "the process has begun, comrades!"

The gentlemen of the jury set off the ice. There is no money in the treasury. All went to buy US bonds.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Corporal Valera

The social network is being turned off slowly but inevitably. For citizens, retirement age will increase after the election

I would not mind if civil servants, upon reaching 55-60 years old, went into hard workers, into the mine face for coal mining, or by railway trackmen to change the sleepers and by personal example demonstrated how easily and naturally tons of coal are cut to the mountain and skipping around with sleepers)))
8 hour working day, retirement benefits in force today, trade union (when the collective could intercede for a hard worker), free education and medicine, etc ... a legacy from the "bloodthirsty" communists.
What did the "fluffy" liberals give? Paid medicine, paid education, the dismissal of a hard worker at the whim of the employer, and the prospects for raising the retirement age, ... it remains to force him to work 20 hours a day.
Getting ready for the election)))

[ARES623]

Quote: Nyrobsky

I would not mind if civil servants, upon reaching 55-60 years old, went into hard workers, into the mine face for coal mining, or by railway trackmen to change the sleepers and by personal example demonstrated how easily and naturally tons of coal are cut to the mountain and skipping around with sleepers)))

Why do you need this? Moreover, from a person in 60 years of sense in the mine is not much. Or do you think that an official works less than yours? And who will you be? What have you done in your life to call a retired official to the mine? Hegemon?

[alicante11]

The social network is being turned off slowly but inevitably. For citizens, retirement age will increase after the election

Who said where it says?
And if no one and no where, then why clap your wings? Do you think so? Well, take the machine to the mountains / forests, that there you have near your house and there will be no problems with retirement.
But I will say that they will not increase. And the reason is simple. Do you know how much pension a person receives on retirement? Can I live on it? What does it DO NOT INDEX (original). In order to index at least until 20tyr, you need to live in retirement for years like 10-15. So much survives? So pensioners are forced to work now. And what, 10 tyr and 10 tyr of positions receive pensions, everything for an old man is not as bad as it could be. And if you cancel the pension, then who will begin to work in those positions where pensioners worked? Now there are fewer graduates than on 50 tyr is not distributed to work. It’s clear that then they break off, but requests something. What does the majority of these pensioners work at state enterprises. And now, if you cancel the pensions, you will have to raise the salaries of state employees. So there will be no savings and the authorities understand this very well. And officials simply added the ability to sit in their bread places, well, and a bonus is some relief for the pension fund budget.

[ava09]

Quote: avvg

In my opinion, officials are not only not opposed to raising the retirement age, they are even very happy to die at work.

Officials do not work, they function ... Roskoshestvo life during "functioning" is limited by the remnants of conscience (a rare case at the beginning of a career) and fear. But fear not of the system, but of a larger predator. "Life expectancy has increased" - that's about them, so why not increase the "functioning"? They will continue to develop this "tendency" until this bacchanalia ends overnight ...

[CORNET]

Quote: avvg

In my opinion, officials are not only not opposed to raising the retirement age, they are even very happy to die at work.

To the point ...)))) I’m an official of 45 years old, recently suffered a heart attack (at work) so I don’t really worry, I think I won’t live up to 60 ... Let them increase who in "bread" places this is very beneficial to this increase in age (before they could have retired at 60) Now they will sit until they grow up to the chair ..)))

[AlexTires]

depending on what officials ... if there are deputies and ministers, then yes - they don’t mind sitting on decent salaries and benefits, and if we are talking about small clerks, then I would not categorically say so ...

[novobranets]

Quote: avvg

they are even very happy to die at work.

Let it not be dragged out, let them start from today, no need to wait for the New Year. All the same, the sense of them is zero, the mess and more harm.

[ARES623]

Quote: avvg

In my opinion, officials are not only not opposed to raising the retirement age, they are even very happy to die at work.

Dying at work and getting a pension are two big differences. Officials, like all normal people, are well aware that in the pre-retirement age, in the event of disagreement with the employer, you will no longer get a job, so a brisk step - raising the retirement age - by the government and the president has been made in a direction where there will be no resistance. In other words, this is a direct volitional suppression of the social rights of citizens. No later than 2017 after the elections to the State Duma and one and a half years before the presidential elections, a law will be adopted in relation to all the others. And if not, then in 2019 they will definitely accept it. The situation is inevitable. On the one hand, I don't care, I am already a "stump", on the other hand, I would advise our children to think about their pension from the first working day. And to you, AVVG, I would advise you to leave your sarcasm in relation to civil servants, because these are also mostly normal people who perform their work in difficult conditions and deserve the care of the state no less than yours.

[Pereira]

An official is a role model for all of us.

As they selflessly work, so we must.
Now they will be constantly put to us as an example. So, they say, how they burn at work, they practically die at a combat post.
True, they will die at the post in the lower ranks. Tops will find a more comfortable place for this. And time. But these are the details.

I will put forward a version. Due to the crisis, the income of our bureaucratic elite has fallen. To ensure the planned old age for oneself, the maturity of children, the youth of grandchildren, we must selflessly work a few more additional years. Now no one will drive them out to starvation in London and Nice. They will take their own, which is still considered to be ours by mistake.

[kostella85]

Give our officials free rein, they will not retire at 65, but at 165 !!!
And I wonder what their pension will be for such "processing"? !!!

[Vadim237]

Yes, you don’t worry about them; after retirement, even the children of their grandchildren will have a comfortable life.

[Pereira]

I repeat.
If you didn’t pay taxes, then somewhere the official’s child cries, who does not have enough money on Maybach. (Tse).

[silverwolf88]

There probably is some point in increasing the retirement period for civil servants ... reducing the burden on the pension fund, etc. ... BUT there is also a negative side effect - the places in ministries and other state institutions will be gradually filled up by people of age (of course they will not have experience) and how to build a career for young people ... and how do those who are over 40 ... have more places to grow? will not ...

[AdekvatNICK]

if you still look in numbers. How much they have a salary, and how much a pension.

[Dimal777]

Yesterday I read projects from Kudrin and Siluanov (like) on the current situation in the economy. So both of them are going to raise the retirement age for all citizens, though one is up to 63 years old, the second to 65. And the question of release is good - who will really sit with their grandchildren? It’s not enough kindergartens ....

[mihasik]

Quote: Dimal777

Yesterday I read projects from Kudrin and Siluanov (like) on the current situation in the economy. So both of them are going to raise the retirement age for all citizens, though one is up to 63 years old, the second to 65. And the question of release is good - who will really sit with their grandchildren? It’s not enough kindergartens ....

Kudrin and Siluanov ...

[Thunderbolt]

Is this how they set an example to others?

[dsm100]

Civil servants and so can not be expelled into retirement. they have benefits, surcharges, length of service.

[sa-ag]

and then "at the request of the workers" they will equalize everyone in their rights? :-)

[dauria]

and then "at the request of the workers" they will equalize everyone in their rights? :-)

Well, that you are so .... not by request, but by constitution, everyone is equal

In fact, the government has nowhere to go - the number of employees will soon be equal to the number of pensioners. Arrived, grandmother. Get down .... It was necessary not to give birth to two, but eight, you look, and the deputies would have been easier now.

[sa-ag]

Quote: dauria

It was necessary to give birth not two, but eight - you look

We should have announced "A Night Without Museums" :-)

[vanavatny]

explosive growth in life expectancy will allow others to soon catch up with a retirement rate of 65 and it’s better to overload the PFR-70

[Stiletto]

Well, there really isn't much to be happy about. Our wise leadership, knowing about the "love" of the people for officials, started with them. But the trick is that all this confusion will then be extended to those who now go into joyful "approvals". I think that the mood of many will worsen when the formula "Trees die while standing" is extended to them.

[sir_obs]

The official’s salary is in any case more than a pension, and nothing special is needed. Well, sometimes a regular envelope is hidden in a pocket. Yes, and who will need him in retirement, and then honor and respect.
This officials should pay extra to the budget for the fact that they are left near the feeder.

[Verdun]

The retirement age for officials will begin to rise from January 1

It looks like an extension of the stay at the trough. Yes, there was such a term in Russia before - to put on feeding. But earlier this was understood as “feeding,” “standing at the helm,” that is, managing. And today more and more - to feed ...

[avg-mgn]

Quote: avvg

In my opinion, officials are not only not opposed to raising the retirement age, they are even very happy to die at work.

If you seriously look at the question, then a worthy official did not retire before 65 -70. Just don’t say that there are no worthy ones, but there is enough rubbish everywhere.

[AdekvatNICK]

retired European old men travel around the world on the islands and stay in horror in our country.

[KBR109]

There is an old anecdote about a regiment commander persuading an old warrant officer (a relative of a division commander) to retire. In response to persuasion that it is time to leave because legs are no longer worn, he replies: "while the hands are, I will not leave." Very applicable to the current situation.

[petrovihdanil]

Our government is only thinking about the people. He thinks we are not fat. How else to rob us? That excise taxes on gasoline will increase. That is the price of cigarettes, cherish for us so God forbid, do not get sick. It would be better if they would shock the rich aligarchs. Dozens of people sit on oil and gas propellers and take off the margin. And according to the Constitution, all the bowels belong to the people. In order to calm themselves, they came up with the idea that in Russia people began to live longer. What dream did they have in such a dream? Guys and up to 60 do not reach. And they came up with this in order not to pay a pension, but simply to raise the retirement age. Everything is simple and convenient, no person no problem.

[atamankko]

Retirement age needed for officials
and bring salaries in line with the benefits that
they bring, in other words, significantly cut back.

[Ruswolf]

And they then this? What are they being processed? Yes, they sleep and see how they’ll soak longer in a soft chair, but the secretary is young.
Even the smallest official arriving in the hinterland feels himself king. One can promise, no need to fulfill. And if they strain, it is possible to refer to the law, and according to it the official can hardly do anything. In the Duma, they just think there (the truth is not clear what).
So they even sit up to 60, and that up to 80. Pension savings will only increase.

[sergej30003]

by and large, officials will not be uprooted from their seats anyway, most will only be kicked forward, and they won’t receive a pension, the main thing is that they don’t touch the manufacturer

[Phosgene]

Yes, officials are already taken out of service only upside down, they receive this pension, like a goat button accordion. Their work is not dusty and very profitable, and they leave their jobs only when they move to cemeteries ... In the USSR there was a joke on this subject - Congress delegates to stand up. Politburo to introduce ...

[AlexTires]

it can be seen from that time that we are used to being ruled by the senile ...

[Polar Bear]

Vladimir Putin approved the law on raising the retirement age for officials, reports RIA Novosti. The regulation will enter into force on January 1 2017.

I did not expect such a trick from you, Mr. President ...

“According to the current legislation, men retire at the age of 60, women at the age of 55. Officials and military receive no old-age payments, and state retirement pension. Moreover, if in addition to the civil service, they have sufficient experience in another job, they can also receive a share of an old-age pension, ”the agency explains.

Why not posthumously retire? There is no end to bureaucratic greed ...

[Sergey333]

Did anyone here bother to read the legislation regarding pensions, or do they all write comments on the ball? Everything is not so bad there, and a person who has lost his job in the pre-retirement age may retire before he reaches retirement age.

[alfa19638]

Raising the retirement age for officials is the first step to increase the retirement of the entire population - this is how these owners of life care about people

[Million]

With the salaries of officials, bribes and kickbacks, you can generally not retire!

[your1970]

And you go to the doctors / teachers / institute / military, in a moment explains how much now ... and you notice they are all not civil servants even a bit ..

[Phosgene]

In general, if you dismiss half of the officials in Russia and start with the State Duma, the Federation Council, republican, regional and other administrations, Russia will not even notice this, but if half the janitors, the cleaning staff of locksmiths and the like are dismissed in Russia, this will be immediately noticeable. ..

[your1970]

Phosgene
And Russia already had honey agaric - in 1917 (only about 100 years ago) - when they pressed a little for their origin and officials ran in all directions, abroad, to whites, greens, etc. And everything would be wonderful- "The cook can manage state. "
BUT ... it turned out that the people want to bequeath, sue, inherit, buy-sell, store-receive savings in banks, but get banal certificates .. and then "war communism" began.
After which the people began to urgently look for "specialists" ... Was it? Was it !!! Did Russia help the destruction of bureaucracy as a class ?? Yeah, shchaz ... And this is in conditions when citizens suddenly lost their property. Now everything will be a little different - take my word for it: the absence of janitors is childish babble in the sandbox compared to the absence of a registrar in the regional chamber or the property department in the district administration ...

[AlexTires]

In vain, it is necessary for officials to reduce the retirement age to 55: survived to retirement and is free to grow berries, let the young ones steal, that is, work!

[vglazunov]

We would immediately say that the pension fund was looted or invested in American treasuries, the number of able-bodied people decreased due to increased mortality and employment shortages, there is nothing to pay pensions to pensioners.

[Monster_Fat]

Raising the retirement age is beneficial for the state for three reasons:
1) The pension fund is saved because a person retires later and his "survival time" is reduced, that is, he needs to pay his pension for a shorter period.
2) Due to the more distant retirement, a person forced to work for wear and tear, when his body has already become senile, wears it out even faster due to the stresses that the senile body can no longer endure either morally or physically, that is, "working "A person over the age of 60 is more likely to die - his" age "of survival will be reduced even more due to increased wear and tear at work.
3) Since the state keeps its "savings" in foreign currency, and pensions and other social payments to the population are made in rubles, inflation for "additional" years will devour a certain part of the pension in foreign currency, that is, a person who will retire at 65 years, less currency needs to be "converted" into rubles than if he retired at 60 due to ruble inflation.
PS: I forgot to mention the 4th point of the benefits of a later retirement age for the state, namely: the possibility of a longer "spinning" of pension money in bank accounts in order to make a profit.

[alicante11]

1) The pension fund is saved because a person retires later and his "survival time" is reduced, that is, he needs to pay his pension for a shorter period.

At the same time, salaries of state employees increase in all areas where pensioners work for a penny.

2) Due to the more distant retirement, a person forced to work hard

At the same time, labor productivity decreases and injuries increase, and no one has canceled the payments for injuries.

3) The way the state keeps its "savings" in foreign currency, and carries out pensions and other social payments to the population in rubles

I’m afraid that you won’t be able to pay off dollars from that pension, God forbid rubles for a communal apartment, but enough food.

PS: I forgot to mention the 4th point of the benefits of a later retirement age for the state, namely: the possibility of a longer "spinning" of pension money in bank accounts in order to make a profit.

Yes, if you need to scroll, they will scroll. In reality, all the money collected in the FIU goes immediately to payouts, but to maintain the FIU. There is nothing to twist.

[mihasik]

As Vladimir Pligin, a deputy from the ruling party, said yesterday in the Pozner program about youth: "We are raising a new elite ..." They turn out to be raising not "servants of the people" and from the people chosen by the voter, that is, the people, but new "gentlemen". Still have any questions?)
https://bolero.1tv.ru/shows/pozner/vypuski/gost-vladimir-pligin-pozner-vypusk-ot


-23052016
According to senior officials, someone here already wrote that upon retirement, a pension is calculated at the rate of 75% of the salary. If the salary is 400000 rubles, what will be the pension?) Speak optimization of expenses ?!
And ordinary civil servants, who do not have the above-mentioned "benefits" and whom this law also concerns, are not at all happy with Putin's signature under this law.
In the course of all the same, a crisis began in our government - brains swam with fat. In addition to draconian measures towards the population, the brains of power no longer work.
Are we kidding that Ukraine sucks? Oh well. Have you noticed that the ruling party likes to copy everything foreign, to the flesh before the "primaries"?)
The USSR gave Europe an 8-hour working day. We are going in the opposite direction, that is, to Europe! Are you happy future "Europeans"?

[aleks700]

Oh! Excuse me. Only the other day there was a conversation about the problems of small aircraft. Pensioners who do not need anything are sitting in Moscow. If only the petitioners would not bother them. And now you can’t move them to death.

[Human Factor]

ENTERTAINMENT GERONTOLOGY.

Why is it at 65? Not at 95. Or so: until 60 then a break to 80 and again to fail. Look, Gorbachov began to come to normal thoughts.

[Son-in-law Zybkov]

That's right, we must sit to the death-sawing posts until death, but you don’t worry how we will choose Vladimir Vladimirovich in 18 and we will make you retire at 65, hehe.
That's while Dimon in Crimea is practicing

[Pitot]

Reconnaissance in battle. And I remember the assurances that the retirement age will not be lifted up like a skirt. It doesn’t matter, an official or anyone else. Today, an official, and tomorrow a fireman, a miner, and then a janitor. The price is worthless according to our ministers and the government as a whole. Nonsense.

[ARES623]

I read the thread, and it plunged me into bitter despondency. Not because it is a pity for the poor officials, whom the state decided to put on almost a "lemon", because many representatives of our society, whom I represented as literate, thoughtful and kind people, in fact turn out to be narrow-minded, greedy losers, rejoicing in the difficulties of their fellow citizens, the subject of his reasoning. The official is not only Khoroshavin, but also many people with a very modest salary and hard work. Yes, yes, mental work is no easier than physical work. Thinking is really difficult, energy and emotionally expensive. One of them invited me to the mine at the age of 60. Wo, hero! Probably since childhood he dreamed of working in a mine all his life? Or was it just that Tyam wasn’t enough to get out of there? And now all that remains is to cough up silicotic mucus and envy those who have no calluses on their hands. And this envy and hatred is evident in many comments. Sin is ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: ARES623

Then he invited me to the mine at the age of 60. Wow, hero! Probably since childhood he dreamed of working all his life in the mine? Or was it just that the pull wasn’t enough to get out of there? And now all that remains is to snarl with silicic mucus and envy those whose hands are not in corns. And in many comments this envy and hatred shines through. Sin is ...

Eka hurt you))) Are you talking about this, or something ....

I would not mind if civil servants, upon reaching 55-60 years old, went into hard workers, into the mine face for coal mining, or by railway trackmen to change the sleepers and by personal example demonstrated how easily and naturally tons of coal are cut to the mountain and skipping around with sleepers)))

So you already write that this scoundrel Nyrobsky is calling officials to the mines! What to paint around the bush?
To begin with, I will answer your questions: - Since childhood I dreamed of being a geologist, but it did not work out, I grew up and became a military man. Now a pensioner 29 years of service. But, before the service, I had the opportunity to work as a fitter for the repair of diesel locomotives and as an assistant to the driver (I will say honestly not an easy job).
As for the draft, which was not enough, I have two higher educations, military and historical. I do not consider myself a hero, but among other things, I still managed to save a human life.
So, about "coughing up siliceous mucus and envy" - I hope now you understand that this is not the topic. And in general, keep yourself in hand)))
Why get hysterical and stigmatize everyone whose opinions differ from yours?

[ARES623]

Quote: Nyrobsky

As for the draft, which was not enough, I have two higher educations, military and historical.

Excuse me, with such a wealth of knowledge and 29 years of service experience, are you a 60-year-old employee of some department of the city administration in the mine? Why do you hate him so much? I do not want to hand out epithets, but it's not great, for sure. And I don’t have any tantrums. I just always thought that the majority of good people. Sorrows such an amount of dope. I also have my own service life, work in the maintenance pit at the motor depot. And also, to my happiness, probably, the experience of working as the head of an inquiry body taught me to take a responsible approach to conclusions and words. And your mining proposals - naked populism, the desire to catch a wave in the pursuit of plus.
As for the "hurt" too, a mistake. Your nonsense, you have to worry about it. You are not my client, and I cannot solve your problems. Yes, still, I'm not a civil servant ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: ARES623

I read the branch, and it plunged me into bitter despondency.

Do not lose heart.

Quote: ARES623

Yes, yes, mental work is not so much easier than physical. It’s really hard to think, energy and emotionally expensive.

You are a strange person)))
The people do not envy the officials, but simply distrust this initiative, because life has repeatedly shown that nothing good can be expected from the "lawmakers".
If this concerned some officials, and the devil is with them, let them think "unbearably and tensely". But everyone understands that the highlight is in the details, namely, this "punishment" in the near future will affect the rest of the working population. Anticipating your question - why are the others better than officials, or how are officials worse than others? The answer is - working conditions and a limited labor market.
If first your "lawmakers" officials, for all enterprises, of any form of ownership, set a mandatory limit, within 25% of the total number of jobs for the employment of "50-65" year old hard workers, and then raised the bar of the age giving the right to retire - that would be relatively correct. But here, as always, the law will be adopted, and then ... ... spin as you want.
Who is lucky to be in the wipers, and who is in search of "nishtyakov" in garbage cans, if not, then in a loop? Again, if a person is aged in a big city, he can get a job as a watchman or a watchman, but what about those who live in small towns and villages, where there is no work for young people?

[ARES623]

Quote: Nyrobsky

You are a strange person)))
The people do not envy the officials, but simply distrust this initiative, because life has repeatedly shown that nothing good can be expected from the "lawmakers".

Listen, do you have a historical background?))) Well, when would officials be lawmakers. They are not thinkers or bandits (as a rule). I’ll note that we choose the lawmakers ourselves, just as we know the guarantor ourselves, and the officials work in the legal field created by our deputies. As a historian to a historian, I will tell you that each official has an effective contract by which his practical work is evaluated. And it is not very easy to achieve good performance by working within, for example, some 44-FZ. And when a citizen evaluates an official as a soulless person, he has no idea that in the framework of these federal laws there is no place for the soul, and for each manifestation of the soul outside the law, the official receives a fine (at least), which is often more than his monthly salary. I don’t know what position you served, I probably thought that making decisions and monitoring their implementation, it is often easier to do it yourself. The miner (locksmith, driver, tractor driver ...) left the face after the shift and until the next shift his head does not hurt. And the head, the higher up the career ladder, the less free time he has, the greater the responsibility.

[Air defense SSH]

Very sorry for the small clerks, but the little boss is only happy with this turn of events. 65 is the age limit for occupying a public position and no one already vacates their seats before this deadline ... And they just think - and when they raise the age limit

[31rus2]

Dear ones, I will express a different point of view, namely, soon we will clap our hands and praise this law for those who retire, why ?, yes, it’s just that with the current pension and rising prices, many simply don’t survive, and salary is salary, and besides that these pension reforms have already shown that there is no money for retirement, so it turns out you want to work, you want to die right away, failure in the pension department is not even considered by the government, so rely only on yourself, even at 30, at least 60

[Achtaba1970]

As I understand it, the article says that it is not the retirement age of officials that is raised, but the age from which they can receive a "second" pension.
For example - a serviceman who quit military service at 50, receives a seniority pension from the Ministry of Defense, got a job, turns 60 and can also receive a "civil" pension plus a "military" one, that is, two pensions.
And now they want to raise this age to 65 years. It is also visible to other categories of civil servants.

[your1970]

misunderstood, there are no "second" pensions, one single and indivisible from 60, now from 65 years. The age has come, get it, sign for the churchyard. EVERYTHING ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Achtuba1970

As I understand it, the article says that it is not the retirement age of officials that is raised, but the age from which they can receive a "second" pension.

And yet, raise the age.
Well, as a result, the right to a second pension, for those who had the right to it upon reaching 55 (g) and 60 (m) years, will come in accordance with the established standard of 65 years.