Rogozin: defense complex is waiting for new technologies from Roscosmos scientists

The domestic defense industry and the space industry are waiting for new ideas and technologies from Roscosmos scientists, RIA News statement of Dmitry Rogozin.

“We expect from you, first of all, from your institute, ideas, unique initiatives that could pull along the development of Russian technologies, the development of the whole enterprises of our country ... To enter tomorrow, but we cannot but think and shape the day the day after tomorrow. And only your institute can do this, ”

said the deputy prime minister at an event about the 70 anniversary of the Central Research Institute of Machinery Engineering, the head institute of Roskosmos.

“Today, scientists are thinking about maintaining Russia's unique position in the launch services market, increasing Russia's potential in the modern economic market of services that are associated with satellite orbital groups,” he said.

According to Rogozin, "it is also important to strengthen the defense power of the country with modern rocket and space complexes that are capable of breaking through both the current and future US missile defense system."

"We need decisions on new spacecraft, on new orbital modules, on whether this station is national or still international, which is more important - the Moon or Mars, for which the Moon or Mars, what means could we use to create promising interplanetary ships, new energy in orbit, which we need so much to solve economic and military tasks ",

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[Yak28]

It is necessary not only to wait from scientists, but also to engage in all industrial espionage

[poquello]

Quote: Yak28

It is necessary not only to wait from scientists, but also to engage in all industrial espionage

depending on what to rub, the Falcon step if only the gypsies were to take scrap metal, but there was noise

[Reserve officer]

In my time in the Ministry of General Chemistry, the so-called head institute TsNIIMash was engaged only in collecting scientific and technical reports from other research institutes and design bureaus from other research institutes and design bureaus, and very actively distributed funding together with another "head" NIITP. I don’t think that anything has changed now. Rogozin was clearly flattered.
And if you face the truth - there will be no breakthrough in technology in the near future. In the 90's, the color of branch science has left the industry. A mass of advanced scientific topics has died, and the results of the completed R&D legally merged the Americans for their tranches.
Which of the specialists then remained - those already for 70. There is simply no next generation in 50 years. And the language does not turn out to be called specialists in young children.
Young guys are literate and talented, but it takes time for them to become specialists.

[poquello]

Quote: Reserve officer

there will be no breakthrough in technology in the near future

We’ll see it, time will tell, there were a lot of people screaming that we are completing the USSR developments, the USSR is long over, and there are no new developments. Gone, come - everything changes.

[gridasov]

There is one important pattern. If a scientist during his lifetime did not bring his development to a critical level, then in the future it does not find its development. Therefore, in the archives (I repeat myself) huge amounts of information are "dead". No one can read this until a new genius is born in the same topic, and only he will be allowed to understand what his predecessors have written. Therefore, these materials under the heading "secret owls" have no special secrets and at the same time do. Since there is a possibility that scientists in other countries are working in a similar direction.

[aksakal]

Quote: gridasov

There is one important pattern. If a scientist during his lifetime did not bring his development to a critical level, then in the future it does not find its development. Therefore, in the archives (I repeat myself) huge amounts of information are "dead". No one can read this until a new genius is born in the same topic, and only he will be allowed to understand what his predecessors have written. Therefore, these materials under the heading "secret owls" have no special secrets and at the same time do. Since there is a possibility that scientists in other countries are working in a similar direction.

- our Chuyskaya again? Or mushrooms again? What does it mean "they do not have secrets and at the same time do? What does it mean to the critical level? To the level of commercial use? Or" to critical "in the sense of dangerous?
Do not abuse these fungi

[gridasov]

No matter how well the theoretical part of the development of any development is worked out, in practice you always have to deal with the stages of fine-tuning. Therefore, the developer simultaneously adjusts his theoretical background with what he gets in practice. And when the theory is in balance with what takes place in practice, then we can say that the critical level has been passed when further improvement does not change the basic foundations of the work and the device and the well-established algorithms of the process. In the future, a lot of different aspects are associated with the adaptation of the work of the aggregate technology in certain individual conditions. Therefore, a joke about mushrooms is not appropriate and determines your lack of tact, so as not to seek to develop a dialogue. Secondly, it is obvious that the so-called principles of binary logic dominate in your reasoning, which also does not add to the desire to communicate with you. And as Omar Khayyam said that "you shouldn't waste time on a stone you tripped over"

[poquello]

Quote: aksakal

What does it mean "they do not have secrets and at the same time they have?"

fly agaric? dangerous, but if cooked correctly ..

[keeper03]

Correctly, as narrow-eyed "brothers"! Search all ideas and innovations around the world!

[YARUSSIAN39]

That's right, he stole, added a little of his own, and voila, a new technology "proprietary"

[In100gram]

Quote: Yak28

It is necessary not only to wait from scientists, but also to engage in all industrial espionage

I have to dig, I agree. But without our own new technologies, we will lag behind the NTP

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Theft is the lot of backward savages who do not have enough convolutions to do their own thing.
Shameful occupation, for a great nation is absolutely indecent.

[3officer]

Well, why, industrial espionage and intelligence are very useful. The young Soviet republic at one time learned a lot from foreign developments. If ours could "take" useful technologies from "partners" - only FOR.

[GSH-18]

Quote: ALEA IACTA EST

Theft is the lot of backward savages who do not have enough convolutions to do their own thing.
Shameful occupation, for a great nation is absolutely indecent.

Nevertheless, we are now all alive and well thanks to the drawings of the American atomic bomb stolen and handed over to Kurchatov Fuchs. So let’s do it without pure-numbing.

[vglazunov]

Of course, especially nanotechnology from Chubais

[poquello]

Quote: vglazunov

Of course, especially nanotechnology from Chubais

create a nanoc ship, turn into microbes and fly from here

[Homo]

Quote: poquello

turn into germs and fly from here

Another idiotic comment. Where are we flying from? From Russia? From the earth? Decide! In general, you can blame right now. Suggest direction?

[Abbra]

Everything seems to be true ... But ... What to say about this - it is clear to everyone WHAT we are waiting for. And so just words turn out. Just another statement ...

[Verdun]

Quote: Abbra

Just another statement ...

Our officials love it so much. Science funding is almost at zero, that is, it is wasted, those who could come up with something - who died, who retired, who gave in to the best share. And then again - and a statement: Hey science, give birth to us something useful, and - urgently! And let them down, sort it out, whether in such a manner they cherish the power, or the bureaucratic career began to slip ...

[oleg-gr]

Voices a new request for the Korolevs, Chelomeev, etc. Will there be support? They will not appear immediately.

[quote]

Quote: oleg-gr

Voices a new request for the Korolevs, Chelomeev, etc. Will there be support? They will not appear immediately.

Yes, they will not appear soon if school education (training) is left unchanged.

[keeper03]

For starters, it would be nice to get rid of the exam, and not try to implement it in the school system, as they are doing now, this year!

[Dryuya2]

Quote: devis

Yes, they will not appear soon if school education (training) is left unchanged.

Quote: keeper03

For starters, it would be nice to get rid of the exam

link to the video, I liked it.
The rectors say about the Unified State Exam - "leave it alone, we are just getting used to / adjusting to it, and then we change again."
How long will this replacement take?
==========
The guests of the "Observer" program - the rector of the Moscow State Technical University Bauman Anatoly Alexandrov, President of Skoltech Alexander Kuleshov, rector of the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology Nikolai Kudryavtsev.
http://tvkultura.ru/video/show/brand_id/20918/episode_id/1301040/video_id/147507

2/
py.s.
it’s not a bad idea to return labor lessons to school, otherwise the boys no longer know what a hammer is, and the girls can be sewn on like buttons and welded dumplings

[poquello]

Quote: devis

Quote: oleg-gr

Voices a new request for the Korolevs, Chelomeev, etc. Will there be support? They will not appear immediately.

Yes, they will not appear soon if school education (training) is left unchanged.

but do not confuse general education and the emergence of talents, these are things very indirectly related

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: devis

Quote: oleg-gr

Voices a new request for the Korolevs, Chelomeev, etc. Will there be support? They will not appear immediately.

Yes, they will not appear soon if school education (training) is left unchanged.

Childhood Koroleva S.P. disproves your allegations.
Korolev S.P. entered the preparatory classes of the gymnasium in Kiev in 1915, in the 1917 went to the first class of the gymnasium in Odessa. He did not study at the gymnasium for long - it was closed; then there were four months of a single labor school. Then he was educated at home. But he received higher education already under the Soviet regime
Perhaps the main thing is the obsession with the idea and the desire to realize it. And schooling just allows you to go to university. But higher technical education, with a goal in life, allows the formation of such personalities as SP Korolev.
Without the main goal - the engineer just goes to work and gets paid, but does not become anyone.

[Homo]

Quote: Алексей_К

Childhood Koroleva S.P. disproves your allegations.

Russian, Russian underachieving and threesomes - M.V. Lomonosov, A.S. Pushkin, D.I. Mendeleev (second year and three in chemistry), L.D. Landau, L.N. Tolstoy, A.P. Chekhov (twice second year) ...
And if you look around the world, then the school is not an indicator at all.
Albert Einstein, Winston Churchill, Soichiro Honda (finished 8 classes), Thomas Edison (was expelled from school, studied at home), Isaac Newton (did not have time in physics and mathematics, the worst student in the class), ...

[ver_]

.. Einstein just does not need to be touched - the thief who received the Nobel Prize for Stoletov’s second law on the photoelectric effect .. The Jewish lobby seeks by any means to give the Nobel dissent of any kind
(To Malevich for the black square) to prove the "God's chosenness" and the exclusiveness of the Jews ...
The special theory of relativity is generally a bluff of paranoid, or a charlatan from science ..

[Homo]

Quote: devis

Yes, they will not appear soon if school education (training) is left unchanged.

Who wants to achieve a result, the exam is not an obstacle. And they graduate from school and study at the institute without problems and win international championships! And they become great specialists. Just do not remember about the "left". For those for whom the word Motherland is not an empty phrase, they do not leave. And for whom "loot" is above all else, let them bring down. We have already seen promising chess players, programmers, tennis players, figure skaters who bought their money and became nothing and nothing!

[Verdun]

Quote: oleg-gr

Voices a new request for the Korolevs, Chelomeev, etc. Will there be support? They will not appear immediately.

Today we have a different approach. You grit, first give birth, and only then I will marry you. Honest noble word! ...

[ALABAY45]

As Zheglov said: "Well, thank you, at least you expect something from me" ......

[NEXUS]

Under new technologies and ideas, money, human resources, specialists and industry are needed that can bring all this to life. You can talk a lot and for a long time, but you can only guess at practice. Already yesterday you need to strengthen and improve the educational base. and for simple, but no less necessary specialties. The scientist will come up with, the engineer will draw the drawings, but in metal this will have to be done by simple welders, turners and milling workers ...

[Tektor]

KMK, the energy module of the megawatt class - this is the necessary element for the development of the nearest planets. Without such a module, it is impossible to count on any progress. And this makes Roscosmos an advanced object in the study and development of nearby planets. Carriers are also needed to output the corresponding mass-sized payload.

[gridasov]

You, like many, are deeply mistaken. We need energy processes not of power parameters, but of a new quality of energy. If for example someone thinks that direct current does not have amplitude and frequency parameters, then this is the deepest mistake or misunderstanding of the essence of the process. So in energy generators of a new perspective type all types of vectors and motion features should participate. In other words, magnetic force processes are not determined solely by the types of motion of the pendulum. Therefore, a simple technical task will open up new technological opportunities. How to create an email magnetic process along a vector, for example, in a stone or any solid object? Behind this lies the solution to the problem of how to transform simple properties into a radioactive material with a controlled vector, the so-called. nuclear disturbances. (of course only in a certain state)

[vglazunov]

Putin has an alien adviser (Americans are sure)
https://youtu.be/_tfA7giBaME

[zart_arn]

Is it possible that technology of aliens in Russia created a Flurry rocket?

A flurry is not a missile, but a torpedo, and it was created a very long time ago - in 1977, and not in Russia, but in the USSR. Then the people had motivation - and what motivation now?
In the name of the "oligarchy of all Russia" ".indos" show causal places? Doubtful, I'll tell you, the motivation for a thinking person. When we live like "gayropeytsy" and ".indos" - then the motivation will appear. And the exclamations of the former komunyags and Komsomol members who have joined the insatiable oligarchy are weak motivation.

[NEXUS]

Quote: zart_arn

A flurry is not a rocket, but a torpedo

A flurry is a torpedo rocket, or an underwater rocket.

[zart_arn]

Good evening, the correct amendment is a torpedo rocket. The product is unique, but a huge number of shortcomings did not allow the product to take its rightful place in the Navy.

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: zart_arn

And the exclamations of former communists and Komsomol members who joined the insatiable oligarchy are weak motivation.

Moreover, these former kids send their children to the West, and they buy real estate there, in fact, they are preparing their own escape routes just in case. That is, they show by example how to love the Motherland

[sherp2015]

Quote: Humpbacked Horse

Moreover, these former kids send their children to the West, and they buy real estate there, in fact, they are preparing their own escape routes just in case. That is, they show by example how to love the Motherland

Isn't Ragosa or his relatives, children abroad?

[Blondy]

And everyone is waiting - just like the proverb, seven with a spoon. The creators' wings were cut off by all sorts of figures, starting with Gorbachev. They were replaced by effective managers who are able to manipulate the ready-made or continue according to the standard. But to come up with something new - sorry, the "tyam" is not enough.

[morprepud]

You're right!
Unfortunately, now all the main "smart" potential from students goes to "managers" - where the salary is from 100 thousand rubles. and higher. All these "virtuosos" in the sale of apartments or other property become millionaires in their youth ... And all the other "scum" or "losers" - become simple engineers with salaries a little more than locksmiths. Therefore, now, the school still needs to "snatch" all the excellent students who are still "unspoiled" by money and send them to closed "educational towns", with their parents, with libraries, with free organ music theaters and cinemas, in a word - the opportunity to open more and more new ways and the roads of culture in science. Etc. etc. and strange as it may seem, the spiritual uplift of a person always raises "applied" science ...
Otherwise, we will have to "buy back" scientists (convertible) from abroad ... which is what America is doing now. And hence, their constant "financial and business" outlook on life, without patriotism, without classical and original solutions in development, which we have always been proud of our former Soviet school!

[Wayna qhapaq]

I will add that it is necessary to spread rot as much as possible against the comprador bourgeoisie and help the production bourgeoisie. "Kulibins" are needed only for production.

[Starover_Z]

Quote: morprepud

You're right!
Unfortunately, now all the main "smart" potential from students goes to "managers" - where the salary is from 100 thousand rubles. and higher.

And that's why you need a strong-willed and forceful government decision to restore the same damned "leveling"!
Why, the plumber "Uncle Vasya", who rescues the apartments of effective "menagery" from flooding with boiling water or feces, should receive less than those who sell the natural resources of the country, which previously belonged to everyone that we now understand, and receive a thousand times less for their work ?!
And the worse the work of a doctor or teacher, a miner ?!
Remember the line from a children's poem:
"All professions are important!
All professions are needed! "
So why are they paid differently ?!

[3officer]

Well, in fairness, an average manager is far from an oligarch, sometimes "Uncle Vasya" a tiler makes more money, and there is no talk of "thousands of times less"))

[masiya]

Exactly, they all cherished and created a colony of managers - like buy and sell - anything and to anyone, that's where the ears of hammerheads from hammers and hammers grow from hammers ...

[Ros 56]

It’s a good thing, no one disputes, even if the superior did not plunder the money, in general there would be a splendor.

[ioann1]

Russia has already pulled ahead in armaments and is already in good dynamics, which cannot be said about the morale of its main "partner".

[3officer]

There are more and more visits to enterprises, and Dmitry Olegovich has less and less superficial knowledge on the creation of slogans and parting words. The logical solution to this issue can be the creation of a target institution with the speaking name, Rospopulism, under the leadership of Mr. Rogozin himself, naturally

[LÄRZ]

We expect from you, primarily from your institute, ideas, unique initiatives that could pull the development of Russian technologies, the development of enterprises of our country as a whole ...

Good words as the basis of the concept will do. But specific action plan Does anyone have this concept to put into practice? And without lobbying anyone's interests.

[gridasov]

Yes, and no one has anything. And there is no plan and no ideas. This has been going on for decades. There is a modernization and rearrangement of certain parts of the process. And we need fundamental discoveries and inventions. And how to position them when every "expert" thinks that he is able to immediately appreciate everything that has a breakthrough character. Genius can only hear genius - they say from ancient times.

[Gray brother]

Quote: LÄRZ

. But does anyone have a concrete plan of concrete actions for putting this concept into practice?

There is a development plan until 2030, let's see if it can withstand a clash with reality.
http://topwar.ru/12351-roskosmos-kosmicheskie-plany-na-dva-desyatka-let.html

[gridasov]

Has it been otherwise until now? The way you said is absolutely identical to what was invented a long time ago. "Perhaps, I suppose, somehow." But it’s time to engage in real forecasting not only of weather forecasts, but also modeling development in all aspects of the evolution of civilization. And humanity still does not have methods for analyzing big data. There are no mathematical methods for analyzing processes taking place in different directions and with different dynamics of transformations. Moreover, everything should be combined as a cumulative process. And after that we can say that someone is able to subject natural processes to an exhaustive analysis in order to create effective machines and devices. This is hard to believe. There are no chances in the nature of events. Everything has preconditions and everything has consequences. Therefore, the algorithms for the development of mankind are predetermined from the outset.

[gridasov]

Sorry I can not send you the same personal message. I will answer in the forum. Thanks for the answer! I admit, not many even realize the importance of analysis methods in our time. The Americans have long realized that the era of gathering information through the Internet should continue in expanding the possibilities of analyzing it. And of course, applied value is the result of such analysis methods. The same process of rotation of the blades or blades of a turbine is a complex process combining the phenomena and effects occurring in a hydro-gas-dynamic flow and physical. effects occurring in the blades and blades of the device for converting this stream. If this is not understood and it is impossible to build a distribution system of magnetic force processes. Moreover, using the fundamentals of such a comprehensive analysis developed by me, it is possible to consider not only the radial processes of the formation of magnetic interactions, but also the combined dimension of linear and radial bonds. Hence the conclusion that I absolutely affirmatively and justifiably propose new real devices for such a conversion of hydro-gas-dynamic flows that take a completely new level of capabilities and technology and the tasks in which it can be applied. Fundamental science should and can be instantly embodied in applied solutions. I am convinced of this and take advantage of this.

[morprepud]

Quote: gridasov

Yes, and no one has anything. And there is no plan and no ideas. This has been going on for decades. There is a modernization and rearrangement of certain parts of the process. And we need fundamental discoveries and inventions. And how to position them when every "expert" thinks that he is able to immediately appreciate everything that has a breakthrough character. Genius can only hear genius - they say from ancient times.

Who has "them"?
You are "slightly" wrong!
Your humble servant (in the past a "troeshnik") is still "throwing" some "ideas" for students (in small things) for reports to the Administrations .... "in the development of scientific ideas" and for our young teaching staff ... YES , a lot of dregs, which are then driven by "unfortunate candidates" (HACovsky), who cash in on the same "little ideas", and then before the defense they carry such a blizzard .... BUT, this is already "unknown" to me, because even a "candidate" I still could not become, because of the heap of papers and cash expenses that are necessary for .... Lord, forgive my sinful little head, but men, "IN MIND RUSSIA DOESN'T UNDERSTAND! And a common yardstick cannot be measured!"
But my "troichniki" will still be successful, because listened to my lectures, and .......

[gridasov]

I do not consider it shameful for myself to apologize specifically to you. Since I believe that there are geniuses in Russia. Moreover, any generation has such. Another thing is that talent is not always able to shove its way with its elbows.

[morprepud]

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Sir, we are just talking to you, not swearing. And forgive me for my confused statements ... After all, the main idea I did not have time to say is that the global Newtonian laws "from the apple" or the Archimedes law from water in the bathroom have ended ... Now discoveries are found mainly by "micro" or "nano" technological ...
The other day, an old friend of mine (a mechanic) called and asked "who has simple (accounting) scores with knuckles". When we met, he began to explain his idea (!) About using a "generator" powered by Solar pressure (!) .. ..
I had a hard time (!) Try to explain to him about his "classic" mistake (I will not explain to you) BUT (!) I am proud, my old friends (76 years old), that his little head is simple, but elusive in the course of the logic of his thinking !!!

[gridasov]

I got what you mean ! In addition, everything you said is completely understandable. Excuse me if I somehow didn’t put it in the tone.
I can only add that Newton’s laws did not end, but there came a time when the human brain will begin to work according to its new potential capabilities. Therefore, constantly growing volumes of information, which, by their properties, become more and more contrasting, make the brain work in a new quality of understanding. Therefore, the laws of Newton are the laws of low-potential physical processes. They do not have complexity and dynamism. Rather, this can be neglected. New technologies will differ in a combination of more and more different dynamic processes. More precisely, the multidynamic processes and the various transformation vectors, and hence the mat. the analysis should be different. Computational mathematics will probably have to be combined with the mathematics of constructing a certain mathematical space in which it will be possible to distribute the totality of possible variations in the development of processes.

[Polar Bear]

“We expect from you, above all from your institute, ideas, unique initiatives that could pull along the development of Russian technologies, the development of enterprises of our country as a whole ... To enter tomorrow, but we cannot help but think and shape the day after tomorrow. And only your institute can do this, ”

Firstly, one Ukrainian boxer-politician-mayor of thought giant was clearly involved in the creation of the speech.

Secondly, ideas themselves will not appear ... And, although espionage has already been mentioned.

[gridasov]

It is a fact that ideas do not appear from scratch. But industrial espionage is the edge of when a scientist struggles for a long time to solve a problem and he needs a small "detail". Of course, he himself will not get it (I think everyone understands that a detail is a thought, not a material object), but no one can bring him. The person should be in the subject. Therefore, the scientist himself must stir up huge amounts of information in order to find a needle in the "haystack." Moreover, if he is not taught to separate the "wheat from the chaff", then the brains will get tired of looking. So the conversation about espionage can be developed into a scientific thought about how to sort information and find and select sometimes unobviously significant aspects and nuances. By the way, this problem exists from the moment the "second person" appeared. Here is the answer - until mathematicians discover new functions of a number, the foundation will not be created for the ability to analyze such volumes of information that will lead to the right path and the necessary decisions.

[morprepud]

I can’t remember, do I now need grandmas or oars for grandmas?

[Zomanus]

And what is the state doing to ensure that these scientists begin to work for it?
Lifelong hiring can ensure that a person is sure that he will not be on the street
according to the results of the next work?
Or ZP / social program available, so that he does not look in the direction of trade,
where do you quickly start making a lot of money?
Remember how many high-class specialists and bright heads
turned out to be in 90's on the street, nafig nobody needed with their knowledge,
skills and experience.
And until the state can guarantee that this does not happen again,
people will go to work where they are in demand and valued more highly.

[avg-mgn]

В

Quote: Blondy

And everyone is waiting - right after the proverb, seven with a spoon. Creators then cut wings all sorts of figures, starting with Gorbachev. They were replaced by effective managers who are able to manipulate the ready-made or continue according to the standard. But to come up with something new - sorry, the "tyam" is not enough.

So what now and sit on a perch with cropped wings? In my opinion, the opposite follows from the statement - a call to shake up science working in this direction. And I don’t think that they will not find money for new ideas, but the impression is that they began to slow down, the backlogs are coming to an end, and almost no one is hearing about new ones. Scientific new cadres must be educated, even if Rogozin thinks like that, for that he is the curator of the industry.

[Blondy]

Quote: avg-mgn

let Rogozin think like that, for that he is the curator of the industry.

All crap is that it’s he who is capable of inventing a damn thing, despite all the supervision, they won’t brainwash him. Its limit is to push all kinds of swifts to the market and the actual blah blah blah about.