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Russian airplanes have become the topic of the last days both among politicians in the West and in the press. While the US ambassador to NATO, Douglas Lute, criticized the actions of Russia, whose fighters love to get close to American ships and airplanes in the Baltic Sea, the European press described NATO’s dependence on ... Russian planes. Not from those that "approach" with American ships, but from military vehicles.




At a press conference held in Brussels, US Ambassador to NATO Douglas Lute criticized Russia's actions. It was about the convergence of Russian fighters with American aircraft in the Baltic Sea, writes Gazeta.ru.

“This is not a circus,” he said, “and this behavior is dangerous, irresponsible and fraught with not only incidents. It is also fraught with the risk of miscalculation due to such close interaction of our armed forces. ”

According to him, NATO and the United States will behave responsibly in the Baltic region.

“We will be the players in the airspace and the sea of ​​the Baltic Sea region who comply with international obligations and rules. And we invite Russia to do the same ", - quotes the ambassador "Delfi".

Earlier, we recall, US Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter called the actions of Russian pilots near US Air Force planes dangerous.

In mid-April, US Secretary of State John Kerry expressed his protest to the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Sergei Lavrov, after the incident with the passage of the Su-24 near the American destroyer.

In the meantime, other media have appeared in the Western media. news about Russian aircraft. As it turned out, NATO countries are dependent on ... Russian aircraft. No, not from those who like to get close to American ships and airplanes in the Baltic Sea, but from military transport.

Newspaper "Badische Zeitung" trying to imagine: what will happen if Russia becomes a real opponent of the West? The absurdity will immediately appear: the so-called defense alliance, that is, NATO, will not be able to do in the war with Russia "without the help of Moscow."

Satire from the Absurdistan? Well, no: reality!

Every time, reminds the German edition, when heavy loads of the Bundeswehr (helicopters, armored personnel carriers, etc.) are transported, the bundersver becomes dependent on large Russian aircraft of the Antonov brand.

This problem of dependence is characteristic not only for the Germans.

15 of European states and Canada more than ten years ago agreed with Russia on providing it with regular transport services, for which the Antonovs are used today.

The SALIS Agreement (Strategic Airlift Interim Solution, interim decision on strategic air transport) entered into force in the 2006 year. He really was supposed to be only a temporary solution, but it was regularly renewed, the newspaper said.

However, the latter was a completely ordinary matter, not causing nervous excitement. But for some time everything has changed. Now here is "full of nervousness." Why? Because "Russia after the annexation of the Crimea became an enemy for the West."

That is why NATO foreign ministers discussed in Brussels how to do this so that the alliance could actually protect itself “in the event of an attack.”

The SALIS contract is valid until the end of 2016. By the way, the company Ruslan Salis GmbH, with which NATO has an agreement, according to the statements of representatives of the German defense department, is “a highly reliable partner.”

However, it is noted that “political influence” cannot be excluded.

This problem is hardly easy to solve. If the SALIS contract is not renewed, it threatens the violation of army logistics. Where to find other features? After all, today, under a contract with Ruslan Salis GmbH, NATO has 18 from 24 Antonov aircraft operating in the world.

The “airplane” theme has become aggravated for a reason. The NATO summit is coming: it will be held on July 8-9 in Warsaw.

On May 22, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said in an interview with Polskoy Radio that crucial decisions would be made at the summit.

"The NATO summit in July will be a turning point," he said. TASS. “NATO will make key decisions on how to adapt to the new security situation.”

The Secretary General said that “NATO’s presence in eastern Europe should be strengthened.” According to him, the United States, Great Britain and Germany have already announced that "they will be in the forefront of those who will strengthen these forces."

Details about the "strengthening" Stoltenberg not reported.

The European press, in particular, the French newspaper Le Monde, «» resembles the position of Washington.

The White House states that the issue of revising relations with Moscow is not worth it in principle. As for Paris and Berlin, they reject the return to the Cold War.

And what about NATO? And the North Atlantic Alliance is finding ways to circumvent the Russia-NATO Agreement: hence the project to "protect stability in the territories neighboring NATO." Well, and money: in February 2016 of the year, Washington announced a fourfold increase in defense expenditure in Eastern Europe.

The publication hints that Paris is trying to apply a policy of containment not with respect to Moscow, but with respect to Washington.

Paris is in favor of holding at least one meeting of the Russia-NATO Council before the Warsaw Summit, the newspaper points out. France insists on a reversal of the policy of deterrence addressed to Russia, in the so-called southern side - to Syria and Libya, from which comes the real, not imaginary, threat.

As if he heard the voice of the French, NATO boss Stoltenberg suddenly announced that he would find an opportunity to convene a meeting of the Russia-NATO Council at the ambassadorial level before the Alliance’s July summit.

Stoltenberg reported points "BBC"that the foreign ministers of NATO member countries agreed on the need to meet with representatives of Russia. According to Stoltenberg himself, the Council can be a good tool for preventing military incidents.

The date of the meeting will be determined during consultations with Russia, the BBC notes.

Such statements, however, did not please the Russians.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation reprimanded Jens Stoltenberg for his words. Sergei Lavrov was outraged that, in violation of the norms of diplomatic communication, Stoltenberg announced that the alliance’s foreign ministers had decided to hold a meeting of the council before the summit in Warsaw.

“Why on earth did he say that? The Russia-NATO Council works on the basis of consensus. If they want to discuss it, let them discuss with us, and not climb to the microphone ", - quotes Lavrov "Lenta.ru".

Something to this was added by the Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to NATO, Alexander Grushko, who noted that an alliance cannot exist without a geopolitical adversary.

“Today, it is safe to say that NATO is moving both politically and militarily towards deterring Russia and, apparently, the alliance cannot exist without a large geopolitical adversary,” leads RIA News" the words he uttered to Russian journalists in Brussels.

So, we add, the “airplane” theme, and the issues raised at the NATO meeting in Brussels, and the upcoming alliance summit in Poland, and the dubiousness of Stoltenberg’s unilateral ideas about the “sudden” convocation of the Russia-NATO Council meeting without official addresses to Moscow, speak of that in July, the alliance will consolidate the well-known strategy of containing Russia in the east of Europe. Thus, a new cold war will be finally “approved”, from which NATO leaders, as well as the American President Obama, have always constantly denied the former.

However, they will continue to distance themselves: after all, the NATO case is exclusively defensive. Do not be NATO, the Russians would have long cracked potato vodka in Warsaw and spoiled the slender Latvian girls. Something like this reason in Brussels.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Denis DV
    Denis DV 24 May 2016 06: 13
    +17
    Is it that our transport workers ply the spaces between NATO military bases? A cool game from the RF Ministry of Defense turns out "What? Where? How much?" laughing
    1. Moore
      Moore 24 May 2016 06: 57
      +8
      Everything is funny there.
      Ruslan SALIS GmbH is a joint company of Antonov State Enterprise (Ukraine) and Volga-Dnepr Group of Companies (Russia).
      Volga-Dnepr-Moscow LLC owns 51% of the authorized capital in Volga-Dnepr, which in turn has 100% of the capital of the Dutch Volga-Dnepr Logistics Bv.
      Ruslans are most likely on lease. Therefore, NATO has no reason to doubt the "conscientiousness" of its darling carrier from the country of tulips and gadzhubas. smile
      1. cniza
        cniza 24 May 2016 08: 27
        +6
        Quote: Denis DV
        Is it that our transport workers ply the spaces between NATO military bases? A cool game from the RF Ministry of Defense turns out "What? Where? How much?" laughing


        Legal collection of information, documented. wink
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    3. Nevsky_ZU
      Nevsky_ZU 24 May 2016 07: 03
      +12
      Bunderswehr becomes dependent on large Russian Antonov aircraft.


      Ukraine has not expressed its protest to the European press for the fact that the aircraft brand "Antonov" positioned as Russian? laughing

      1. otter.1
        otter.1 24 May 2016 13: 05
        +4
        And why would she object? "Ruslan" and "Mriya" were made in the USSR and we have the same right to say that these are Russian planes.
        In addition (correct if not right) technical documentation
        for the production of "Ruslan" with us.
        1. Nikolay74
          Nikolay74 24 May 2016 19: 43
          0
          Documentation in Ukraine in Antonov Design Bureau. The situation, they themselves cannot produce. And Aviastar in Ulyanovsk does not have the right to manufacture without the permission of Antonov Design Bureau. They didn’t agree. Now, Aviastar is launching the production of IL-76. Something like this. hi It's a pity of course, the plane is cool.
      2. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 24 May 2016 23: 22
        0
        Quote: Nevsky_ZU
        Bunderswehr becomes dependent on large Russian Antonov aircraft.


        Ukraine has not expressed its protest to the European press for the fact that the aircraft brand "Antonov" positioned as Russian? laughing


        At the same time, the Hollywood “partners” could not resist portraying the plane from the inside as ugly, rusty and constantly rattling like a heap of scrap metal, while the Russian outwardly looks more like an Italian Jew for some reason. Well, thank you that at least this time not on a Mongol with a black beard like Rasputin's and fangs from which blood drips and a club in shaggy hands.
    4. Pitot
      Pitot 24 May 2016 09: 18
      +3
      Maybe at the same time quietly and monitor their territory for all sorts of interesting buns?
    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 24 May 2016 22: 01
      0
      NATO’s business is exclusively defensive. Do not be NATO, the Russians would have long cracked potato vodka in Warsaw and spoiled slender Latvian girls.

      Well, so the brave "defenders" from NATa "use" Latvian girls! And everyone is happy!
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 26 May 2016 16: 36
        0
        Latvians are nothing so normal. Estonians with Lithuanians will be worse.
  2. igorka357
    igorka357 24 May 2016 06: 21
    +4
    How did they get with their preoccupation, though ... they are all preoccupied there, let them yap!
  3. Funnels
    Funnels 24 May 2016 06: 34
    +18
    And what should be called then the recent actions of the American intelligence officer in the Sea of ​​Japan, when our dispatchers were separating the planes by echelons, avoiding a collision. Yesterday, our American attaches, too, aroused, expressed concern and pointed to the "professionalism" of American pilots. The "game" went on - who will care more?
  4. K-50
    K-50 24 May 2016 06: 53
    +4
    Ashton Carter called the dangerous actions of Russian pilots near US Air Force planes.

    Sit at home at the airfield, and work out the tasks "on foot in a machine."
    Tuev a bunch of kerosene with save both time and nerves.
    Here! free tip! laughing
  5. EvgNik
    EvgNik 24 May 2016 06: 54
    +13
    They fly and we fly, and concern is such a thing, it can always be shown when you do not like something ...
  6. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 24 May 2016 07: 01
    +4
    In the event of a war with Russia, NATO troops will be landing without parachutes directly above the front line, this is fast delivery. We will help, what is already there.
    1. Berber
      Berber 24 May 2016 11: 12
      +1
      Why over the front line, it’s better to go somewhere to the ocean. :-)
  7. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 24 May 2016 07: 12
    +1
    such concern satisfies me!
  8. Filxnumx
    Filxnumx 24 May 2016 07: 17
    +4
    As I understand it, we are talking about the An-124. Let them fly until the resource is depleted, anyway there is nothing to replace them with either we or them. And so, in addition to currency, we also legally receive intelligence about the NATO supply system. In any conflict, supply is the circulatory system, and without supply, any military action is doomed to failure. And the NATO members will be vyzhivatsya now or in the future - to denounce this treaty, let them carry their stuff, even on their backs. This is how it works out with gas. And in Russia, too, there is something to carry "Ruslans".
    1. andj61
      andj61 24 May 2016 08: 57
      +3
      Quote: Fil743
      As I understand it, we are talking about the An-124. Let them fly before the development of the resource, all the same, there is nothing to replace them with us yet. And in addition to currency, we also get intelligence on the NATO supply system in a legal way.

      We still have a bunch of unrepaired and un-modernized Ruslans at the Seshche airfield in the Bryansk region. Locals claim that their gliders are in very good condition, which means that repairs and upgrades are possible. There is no money for this alone during the crisis. There are also workers there, in particular those who regularly take part in parades. The plane, of course, is huge, and even next to the transport and also not small Il-76 looks like a monster. It seems that the option of resuming their production at Aviastar in Ulyanovsk was being developed, but only after the events in Ukraine this joint project was practically buried.
    2. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 24 May 2016 12: 43
      +1
      And they do not need our permission - a private company transports NATO equipment to the AN-124.
      They successfully grabbed airplanes, put them into business, earned money and continue to earn money on it
  9. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 24 May 2016 07: 19
    +2
    Well carry and carry. Let them earn money. And the more and longer NATA will depend on our transporters, the better. It is not necessary that they organize their import substitution. Because in the event of a conflict, they will instantly be completely left without logistics. The longer they will not have their own similar transporters, then we will be more useful.
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 24 May 2016 12: 48
      +3
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      Well carry and carry. Let them earn money. And the more and longer NATA will depend on our transporters, the better.


      This is a private carrier neither to you nor to me from this country - money does not drip - personally in the pocket of the founders of Ruslan SALIS GmbH.
      Volga-Dnepr Airlines provides charter air freight services as part of the Group. Created in 1990 in Ulyanovsk, it became the first private cargo airline in Russia. The basis of its activities was the commercial operation of the unique super-heavy An-124-100 Ruslan aircraft. http://www.volga-dnepr.com/about/companies/
  10. jovanni
    jovanni 24 May 2016 07: 38
    +2
    The more they depend on us, the calmer. It is necessary for "Ruslan" to adjust the shift faster. In the light of recent years "Antonov" - the name for our aircraft is no longer a very good one. And NATO members need to continue and more add to the Russian. To make it more convenient, and more reliable, and more comfortable for them. And most importantly, it's cheaper. Let them swim in fat ...
  11. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 May 2016 08: 29
    +5
    "Every time, the German edition reminds, when the heavy goods of the Bundeswehr are transported
    (helicopters, armored personnel carriers, etc.), bunderswehr becomes dependent on
    large Russian aircraft brand "Antonov".

    "15 European states and Canada more than ten years ago agreed
    with Russia on providing it with regular transport services,
    what the Antonovs are used for today. "

    "more than ten years ago" - that is, in 2004-2005?
    A curious agreement ...
    Abrams to the Baltic states are also being thrown to the Russian Antonovs? smile
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    2. yehat
      yehat 24 May 2016 10: 00
      +1
      tanks arrived in the Baltic by sea. and something wheeled - under its own power
    3. andj61
      andj61 24 May 2016 12: 49
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      A curious agreement ...

      This is a pure economy: business - and nothing more. They offered to transport cheaply - that's what the Germans use. But it is unlikely that any dependence has formed here: the United States has a decent fleet of its own military transport aircraft, and if necessary, they may well use it. More expensive, of course, than transportation by Ruslans, but this is not critical!
      It is possible that such publications are simply lobbying for the interests of Boeing and Lockheed, which have their own quite competitive models of military transport aircraft. The escalation of the atmosphere around such issues will simply lead to the justification of the purchase of American transporters - and more!
  12. seregatara1969
    seregatara1969 24 May 2016 09: 03
    +1
    to plant pilots from bombers for internships on the ground. or if our planes are using, transfer them to a country without a sea and railway, let's see how to return back
    1. DimerVladimer
      DimerVladimer 24 May 2016 12: 52
      +3
      Quote: seregatara1969
      Click on the transport pilots from the bombers for an internship on the ground. or if our planes are using, transfer them to a country without a sea and railway, let's see how to return back


      You have a very distant idea of ​​the organization of air traffic and the admission of pilots to control the type of aircraft.
      Let's just say - it is impossible to transfer without a long retraining of the TU-160 pilots to the An-124, and even more so the other way around.
  13. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 24 May 2016 09: 31
    0
    “We will be those players in the airspace and sea of ​​the Baltic Sea region that comply with international obligations and rules. And we invite Russia to do the same ”

    No problem. In the Caribbean and off the coast of California, we promise to be those who comply with international obligations and rules.
  14. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 24 May 2016 10: 05
    +9
    The Baltic Sea, the European press spoke about the dependence of NATO on ... Russian aircraft. Not from those that are "getting closer" to American ships, but from military vehicles.

    Some strange article, to say the least.

    It is quite possible that some NATO logisticians also use the services of hired cargo airlines, but as for the USA, there is complete independence in this matter from such problems.

    Because Americans have their own fleet of military transport aircraft.



    Lockheed C-5 Galaxy (Lockheed C-5 Galaxy) is an American strategic military transport aircraft with increased payload capacity. The third cargo aircraft in the world after the AN-225 and AN-124 in terms of carrying capacity. Until the year 1982 (before the creation of the AN-124) - was the largest mass-produced cargo aircraft in the world. Able to transport 6 helicopters McDonnell Douglas AH-64 Apache, 4 BMP M2 Bradley, 6 BTR M1126 / M1135 Striker, two tanks M1 Abrams or up to 345 soldiers and officers.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-5_Galaxy



    The Boeing C-17 Globemaster III (Boeing C-17 Globmaster III) is an American strategic military transport aircraft supplied to the US Air Force by McDonnell Douglas. C-17 bears the name of two previous military cargo aircraft: Douglas C-74 Globemaster [en] and Douglas C-124 Globemaster II. C-17 usually performs strategic air transportation of goods and troops, in addition - tactical missions, transporting patients and dropping cargo from an airplane.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_C-17_Globemaster_III



    Lockheed C-130 Hercules (Lockheed C-130 Hercules) is a medium-to-long-range military transport aircraft. The main military transport aircraft of the United States, NATO countries and several other countries. At 2014, the year is the most common military transport aircraft in the world.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_C-130_Hercules

    And lovers to throw hats and smack, you can only wish one. Learn the mathematical part.
    1. Berber
      Berber 24 May 2016 11: 18
      -1
      You need to mock NATO.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 24 May 2016 14: 22
        +3
        Quote: BerBer
        You need to mock NATO.


        Well then, let's compare the number of the main transporters with them and with us:

        C-5 Galaxy was produced of all modifications - 131 units. An-124 - 56 units (of which 38 units are in working order on the territory of the Russian Federation).

        The C-17 "Globmaster" has been produced of all modifications since 1993 - 270 units (we can say that the fleet of US transporters has been seriously updated). IL-76 from 1974 to 2000 - 950 units. How many of them are in working condition on the territory of the Russian Federation is unknown.

        S-130 "Hercules" was produced in all modifications over 2 units. The main aircraft of this class in the USSR were An-300 and An-12. Of which about the same number were built, taken together, but how many of these machines remained in service is unknown.
        Next are the aircraft of the An-22 and An-72 type, which are individually available on the supply of our aircraft and power structures.

        Something like this.
  15. kirgudu
    kirgudu 24 May 2016 10: 37
    +1
    That's just with Ruslans, we also are not very, because hohlopiteki spare parts do not deliver and refuse to service. Import substitution cannot yet satisfy the demand for spare parts.

    Moreover, in Ukraine, the Yakopians lost drawings and other aircraft ... Well, or stupidly sold.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 24 May 2016 14: 23
      0
      Quote: kirgudu
      Moreover, in Ukraine, the Yakopians lost drawings and other aircraft ... Well, or stupidly sold.


      Something had never been heard of before. Can I link to the material?
  16. pavelty
    pavelty 24 May 2016 10: 45
    +1
    Hehe, a funny topic, did not even think about this issue. Likely partners - fly Aeroflot planes))
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 24 May 2016 16: 35
      +1
      Yes, fly anything, the main thing is not Egyptair.
  17. realist
    realist 24 May 2016 15: 10
    0
    If there is a market niche and an opportunity to still occupy - you need to occupy it, build transport boards and operate.
  18. DimanC
    DimanC 24 May 2016 19: 26
    +2
    Su-24 in the title photo - handsome :-) Awesome perspective :-)
    1. NordUral
      NordUral 24 May 2016 19: 29
      +1
      I agree, I drove it to the screen as a topic.
  19. NordUral
    NordUral 24 May 2016 19: 29
    +1
    According to him, NATO and the United States will behave responsibly in the Baltic region.
    What do you really need there? Is this the East or West coast of the States, the coast of Germany or France?
  20. Torins
    Torins 25 May 2016 02: 25
    0
    This problem is hardly easy to solve. If the SALIS contract is not renewed, this threatens to violate the army logistics. Where to find other features? Indeed, today, under a contract with Ruslan Salis GmbH, NATO has at its disposal 18 of the 24 Antonov-branded aircraft in the world

    Now, of course, according to the established tradition, they will pass over me, BUT "Antonov" is 90% still a Soviet aircraft brand and secondarily Ukrainian. Now the "Ilyushins" are running the show, the "Antonov" plant, as it is not sad, paying tribute to the USSR, is completely on its knees and is unlikely to exist for a long time ...
  21. Wolka
    Wolka 25 May 2016 05: 48
    0
    here are the same gentlemen from NATO, before you rattle your gun before Russia, think before what you will fight, because military logistics, especially in Europe with its civilized, well-groomed infrastructure (roads, bridges, railways, airports), are also nobody did not cancel ...