In defense of the pasta monster Ilona Mask put in a word. Part of 2
The first part of the blunders' analysis by the writer-mechanic-graduated engineer Dmitry Konanykhin
Let me remind you - this product is prepared:"Pasta Monster Ilona Mask, or the logical outcome of the adventure"
Continued ...
Oh. Come on? Dimych, have you been to America? Transportation of oversized at least seen on TV?
- This is how SpaceX Falcon 9 (04-19-2016) is transported
- SpaceX headquarters is located in the suburb of Hawthorne, California, USA.
The large plant that was previously used to build the Boeing 747 fuselage now houses the main office, the MCC and the SpaceX rocket plant.
Starting locations:
SLC-4E- base Vandenberg WBC USA, California.
Launch Pad 39A at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida within the Kennedy Space Center, on Merritt Island, Florida.
South Texas SpaceX SpaceX, Texas, on the coast of the Gulf of Mexico.
Writer, on Google you will find the coordinates, the length of the path, the "railway", well, etc. Interestingly everything goes.
For your information:
1) ADD US - all roads must have a concrete divider or be no closer than 10 meters to each other, having a green strip between the roads. Thus, frontal collisions were excluded.
- The minimum width of the left shoulder is 1 meter, the right one is 3 meters, the width of the bands is 3.67 meters.
- The maximum angle of ascent or descent is 6% (by calculation, 1 ft of ascent 100 ft of road length = 1%), this rule is introduced in parallel with the maximum load for trucks 36 tons, providing a safer departure from the hills.
Within cities - the maximum lifting angle is 5%.
2) Dimension 3,7 meter for air transportation - ugh! (In the US, the 14000 WFPFOURTEEN THOUSANDS, and we ... we have about 300-THREE," feel the difference".)
3) The United States has the most convenient geographical location (two oceans, rivers, lakes, SC on the beach) - water transport, there is generally envelope on the drum.
"Fakinshit" ... stupid Americans "fakinshit", they are so stupid that they do not even know about the magical Dimkin 3,7 meters ...
What is this? I do not believe my eyes!
On the left is a barge for transporting an external fuel tank, the Space Shuttle, in the center is the transportation from the pier to the vertical assembly building, on the right is the Delta Mariner transport carrying the stages Delta-IV and Atlas-V.
Americans could carry (and drove) the Saturn-V steps with a diameter of 10,1 m.
Again, the writer could not even write a line, not a lie. What are you, a liar such, Dimon, eh?
Nothing that I'm on "you"? No offense, frets?
And here we have with the dimension "opa", full of which:
- we have railway, I will keep silence about our roads (as well as about fools);
- there is no water transport (there is no way to the place of destination);
- all main plants are in the European part of Russia. And if to Plesetsk “hand in hand” (Murmanka, Railways), then Baikonur, and, especially, “Vostochny” is a disaster. Logistics. Coupled with the breadth of the launch, in the end we will lose to the Americans, the Chinese and the Europeans at a cost of 1 kg of PN for NOU, despite the collapse of the ruble and our cheap oil.
In general, what to say, it is better to show:
Already on the Angara wagons with a diameter of 2,9, the oversize index is clearly visible - it is almost marginal in width (5 from 6)
4) About the 3,7 meter ...
In terms of geometry, the maximum volume at a fixed area is achieved for the ball. Both the aerodynamic drag and the full surface of the cylinder are proportional to the square of the radius, so the rockets would have to be rather low and wide. However, in reality, the rockets are very thin and high. The fact is that increasing the diameter increases the complexity of manufacturing and transporting the stage.
Data on missile launches over the past twenty years - a graph of the number of launches, depending on the largest diameter of the stage (widest tank).
Maybe someone will be interested in this tsifir
The days when money was poured into space a lot, and it was possible to build such an engineering-beautiful Saturn-V, alas, passed. Now all over the world there is a fashion for “flying fences” from universal modules that should be comfortable and cheap. And Ilona, with his budget of $ 50-65 million for start-up, needs to be saved always and everywhere. Competition! Others also have hairy paws that want to get into NASA's "trillion-dollar" budgets and "nag":
Let's try! How many kilograms of weight in this "raskaznitsa"? If something in my spine is broken, as it were, again on the disability does not fly away!
FT: 70 m (it is not yet)
v1.1: 68,4 m
v1.0: 54,9 m (it is already gone)
So what? What is the relation (70 m) to the first stage (its length is about 40-43 meters - I take it by eye)? What do they return? PH entirely (together with MON ) or the first stage of PH?
On the macaroni platform, not 70 meters and not even 68,4 meters, but only 43s.
How to ensure its stability - see above video landing. Has landed, does not fall at a sufficiently brisk transportation on the "raft".
What? From wide-leg trousers we got a passport - as far as I remember.
The technology of supercooling of liquid oxygen was mastered here at the end of 1959, by the team of the OKB VL Shabran. They have before. It (technology) is used by all where LONGLY stored LOX is required in a filled PH: supercooling is carried out by evaporation of a part of oxygen followed by drainage into the medium. Only this is not to pour more into the tank. This is for long-term storage of combat missiles at the launch position. The PH "Energy" LOX overcooling was not used if anyone is interested. And on the video of the Falcona launch, I did not find either “hypothermia” or the corresponding starting equipment at the joint venture. And it (the equipment) is terribly expensive and large.
As with the "supercooling of kerosene" - I have not met. Do you need it? In the sense that if we freeze kerosene (liquid phase at 20grs), its density is not like O2 gas: 1,42897 kg/м³ against liquid: 1,141 г/cm³. What will it give? 30 liters (kidding 300) kerosene? Even consider laziness.
"Bauman" Mlyn ... "Rocket College" ... a shame.
- Dima, you are angry, you are gnawing at envy or an inferiority complex!
How to correlate the "bastard" with
- Great Soviet Encyclopedia, open it. "Classification of launch vehicles by the mass of the output payload on the LEO ":
easy to 5 t;
average from 5 to 20 t;
heavy from 20 to 100 tons;
super heavyweight over xnumx t.
About the size of no gu-gu. On the "pasta" in the TSB is also silent. It is understandable - they did not write suckers. Has he shoved another jamb unusual for a mechanical engineer (normal)? It happens...
I will explain: Traditionally it turned out that the Americans take their own RN from the assembly building (they collect "macaroni" there) to the UK (SP) VERTICAL, we carry HORIZONTAL (and raise). A no-brainer, it will be difficult (and expensive) to raise the "macaroni" without breaking it.
Therefore, their RN is higher and thinner, ours are lower and "in the body."
What is better here - I will not judge.
Well, not dropped the same. In general, this is Konanikhin’s tendency to crap other people's labors / attempts!
Dmitriy! And what have you done for your country (as a "mechanical engineer") or for yourself / for home / for a family (except for "a pair of good-quality novels")?
Repaired leaking toilet bowl? Brought a Christmas tree ... on May 9? You can enlighten me. Then let's talk.
About the "dude" the whole world knows:
Ilon Rivs Musk-Konstruktor Success
Steeper Jobs. How Ilon Musk became the main visionary of the planet.
I wrote a couple of "little books". Sorry - did not read, I will not judge. Shl. I have nothing to read. By 7, I read junk before the holes:
The Fourth Protocol, Airframe, Prey, Lukyanenko (lazy, writes little), The War of Exaltation and other technicals:
/ which, besides me, is not interesting to anyone /
Send a present, eh? I will be grateful.
Could not resist, highlighted in bold. Such a slogan "good author". Perfect.
I am afraid that only one “good writer” was put up with cancer, who is also a “fucking” engineer. Otherwise, why would such a kipish?
Mmm ... I don't have a medical education, it's difficult for me to make a diagnosis. If such a thing were given "in Ukraine" to a tsenzor.Net - I would immediately say: Kakla-ryagul I again smoked / drank a can with a Maidan. But this is ours! How to be advise?
And more about "dancing on the bones." I remember:
1.) How many tormented PH "Angara"? Since what year? When did you fly? How many times? Who "tormented"? Answer: A country that is not the last on this planet, I want to note. The budget ... Of course, the Roscosmos is not at NASA, but Ilona does not compare with attachments.
2.) Incorrect, yes, and this is my country, but please pay attention to the statistics of emergency launches of our PH. "Proton" in particular. And not even on the number of emergency launches, but on the causes thereof.
3.) And why were we, the heirs of the USSR, inventing such particular, in such a way that the first in the history of the Earth would spread gnome so that the satellites would fly into space and swing to Mars?
They (fuckers American) all puffed up, make a fool of everyone.
I know what they are in tune - the trillions of NASA do not give sleep. Sawing is like Pavlov's dog reflex.
Yes, Mityai, yes. The way it is. "Glory
Satellite launches (spacecraft) in 2015 year
All launches are shown in UTC. Last 21.12.2015 Refinement
Launch Manifest | Spacex
I suggest to readers - spend time on this vukoponos:
The biggest secret of the Soviet rocket technology
Replace the author in the Ukrainian - Dima Konanykhin, us, "Vatnikov", on the Americans, and you will understand why I spent 4 hours of personal time. And think about the "article" Dima about the "pasta".
Note: to my little letter / question to this author (Europeitsu) of this opus "But what about the great Ukrainian Kovalev from Zhytomyr, the museum, like quilted jackets, which can not do anything without the" great "ones ..." The answer did not follow. Sadness
Afterword:
Honestly, I myself initially did not understand why Ilon took this path (return and landing of the first stage on the remote control). I wrote an article about this on TopWar (it wasn’t published, it’s probably not published), I also wrote to SpaceX (they didn’t answer me - probably my Anglicus non-Ice). Any engineer will say that not using the atmosphere for free (what is “under the feet” for nothing) is a joint, stupidity (here you are not the Moon, as they say). We do not have Mars. Parachute, rotor, wing landing systems with subsequent braking impulse control before landing will solve many problems.
Something like this:
A parachute made from modern materials is much lighter than fuel reserves, it is not a pity, speed can be extinguished, just as the speed of descending spacecraft is being extinguished.
Then it came (I am tall - it comes a long time, like a giraffe):
- Ilon is limited in the landing corridor steps. I do not know if the license either pays for miles, or for environmental damage (to the ocean), or you have to pay for closing off the water area for shipping (plop on the ship, and then shipping is dense, you will go bankrupt on the suits). And, of course, with a parachute not to get on the platform.
- Logistics, be it not okay. Drive for 100 miles or drive for 1000 miles, but you still need to find it ... in the vast ocean. Again, money, and a lot.
As an example - "our" zones of falling steps:
- At the conference at MIT (if you carefully watch the video above), he let it slip that he wanted to immediately work out the technology of landing on Mars, on the Falcon-9. Shampoo 2-1 (kill 2-x rabbits), climb on the tree and not scratch.
Something like that. Thank you all who could read to the end. For mistakes and style - I apologize. I am not a writer - God did not give. How could he, and it happened. Not everyone is born by Oleg Kaptsov (I read him — the devil writes amusingly) or Dmitri Konanykhin (for the first time I read fakingshitting solid), to each his own.
From myself: I, personally, would love to work in SpaceX. I know it’s interesting and worthy of payment. They will not take it: they are too old, and even tall, everything reaches the brain for a long time.
Thanks to the help in translating Dasha (Oxford - don't drink it), Ilon writes so intricately, and my knowledge is limited.
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