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New Prime Minister - a chance in relations with Russia (Т24, Turkey)

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New Prime Minister - a chance in relations with Russia (Т24, Turkey)



The destruction of a Cobra-type helicopter belonging to the Turkish Armed Forces in the Cukurdj (Hakkari) 13 region in May with an allegedly portable missile launched by the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) raised two frightening issues on the agenda.

First, how many such missiles — potentially capable of significantly influencing the course of hostilities — are at the disposal of the PKK?
And second: how did the missiles of this type fall into the hands of the PKK?
The main concern underlying the second question, which may have many answers, is that the PKK could receive this missile (or many missiles of this type) from Russia.

Immediately, some threatening scenes came to mind.

In his speech on December 3, Russian leader Vladimir Putin, who for the first time made it clear that Russia, whose plane was shot down by Turkey on November 12, said: “Turkey cannot get away with tomatoes alone (banning the import of tomatoes),” - thus making you think that political and even military steps may follow trade sanctions.

The next day, December 4, a soldier standing on the deck of a Russian warship passing through the Bosphorus, during the entire transition, held a ground-to-air man-portable air defense system (MANPADS) on the shoulder with a fire.
Now it is said that the rocket that hit the helicopter in the area of ​​Cukurje and led to the death of two pilots "may be identical to the rocket on that ship."

In the issue of the weekly Russian newspaper “Arguments of the Week” from 19 in May, journalist Jaroslav Vyatkin enthusiastically wrote:

“On May 13 in Hakkari, the injection of“ Needles ”finished off“ Cobra ”. The Turks at first denied this, but when the Kurds published the video, everything became clear. Russian-made Igla MANPADS shot down an American-made Cobra helicopter. Moreover, this video of Kurdish militants accompanied “Polyushko-field” in Russian (the world-famous song about the Soviet army - Kh.A.). What was missing was Putin’s phrase “Turks will not get off with tomatoes”. The Kurds, albeit from their own interests, openly declared that they had avenged our pilots. A day later, they announced the destruction of a larger helicopter. But there is no video, and the Turks, of course, deny this fact. ”

I watched many versions of this video on various Turkish and Russian sites, but I did not hear Polyushko Polye. (The author may be confusing with another similar earlier video.) Be that as it may, it’s not the credibility of the words of a journalist who extracts a hint of tomatoes from the video with a belligerent and nationalist tone, but the likelihood that the Russian Igla can actually be in the hands of the PKK.
Exalted bill for the destruction of the Russian aircraft

I do not want to drown in military details and drown readers in them. In my opinion, the main problem is as follows.
As I put it in the title of my first article on the crisis, written on the evening of November 24, Ankara made the most serious mistake in foreign policy, shooting down a Russian plane.
Over the past almost six months since then, she has not made any significant effort to correct this situation.
Moreover, sometimes she just added fuel to the fire.

What is the result?

The influence of Turkey in Syria and in the whole in the Middle East has extremely decreased. From the fear of Russia, the aircraft of the Turkish Armed Forces do not even come close to the border with Syria.
The balance that has been able to use at one level or another for decades in foreign policy has been lost. The Turkish leadership, which used military force against Russia, which until recently was considered practically a strategic partner, found a way out to find refuge in the arms of the United States and NATO.

The national economy suffered billions of dollars in damage. A number of sectors, primarily tourism, received a very heavy blow. You can still bring a losing balance for a very long time.
In order not to delay this process, I will ask the question differently: is there at least one plus for Turkey from the destruction of the Russian plane? So far, the Turkish authorities have not been able to answer this question. And hardly ever will.

Russia is stuck in a tight policy

The Russian leadership, which 24 November demonstrated an extremely harsh and emotional reaction, sacrificed a significant part of its relations with Turkey in order to "stand against Erdogan." From trade and economic areas to education, culture and interpersonal relations.
The Kremlin hoped that as a result of all these sanctions, Erdogan would be able to kneel. That did not happen. In the meantime, Russia, which has driven itself into the dead end of this tough policy, has become incapable of other maneuvers for six months.

Is there really no other point of view in Russia about Turkey? Of course have. In the end, there are those who insist on the need for flexible steps that will make Ankara, if not friendly, as before, then at least neutral capital for Moscow, and in the future will provide opportunities for stopping possible “ignition points” (in the economic sphere, energy cooperation for the long term, from the perspective of Russian companies in Turkey, finally, in regions such as Tatarstan, the Caucasus, Central Asia and the Middle East). But fearing the wrath of Putin, they do not speak out loud about it.

From time to time, some signals from Turkey come from representatives of the Russian leadership, such as “Turkey is not our enemy”, “the crisis in relations with Turkey is temporary”, “relations can be revised, but Ankara should take the first step”.
Then they see that the opposite side is not taking any steps that go beyond the framework of the unexpected optimism of Foreign Minister авavuşoğlu, who constantly says: “Look, relations with Russia are gradually getting better.” And again they are accepted for their former tough position.

“We are waiting for three steps from Ankara:

1. Apologies for the destruction of the aircraft.

2. Payment of compensation.

3. Punishment of the guilty. "

Chelik free, Tayar hunts for Russian aircraft

Ankara has repeatedly found its cramped position, the source of which is the error associated with the destruction of the Russian aircraft. Ankara said not only "we are upset," but also "if we knew that this was a Russian plane, we would not have shot it down." But under the influence of political and psychological factors, she never brought an apology. The time that has passed since 24 in November has shown that apologies in the form Putin is waiting for them have gradually become impossible.
But not so long ago an event occurred that agitated Moscow because it was connected with its demand to “punish the guilty”. Alparslan елиelik (Alparslan Çelik), who claimed responsibility for the murder of the pilot Oleg Peshkov, who had been ejected from the downed plane, was arrested.
But then Celik was released. Perhaps Ankara did not attach much importance to this arrest. Or maybe Ankara held Celik for several weeks as a trump card to give a definite signal to Russia, but, not meeting the reaction expected from Moscow (?), She did not consider it necessary to continue this tactic. As a result, a very strange situation arises.
Russia is the largest country in the world, a nuclear power, a member of the UN Security Council, one of the main elements of all regional equations in which there is Turkey ...
If the crisis is prolonged, it can put Turkey in a difficult position from many more points of view.

Of course, Moscow also suffers from the escalation of the crisis with Ankara. But the losses of Ankara will be greater. The past six months have clearly shown this. In this case, it is imperative that you take steps to settle the relationship. But such steps are not taken. Moreover, such a topic does not seem to be on the agenda of Turkey. Some irresponsible politicians take provocative positions. Thus, a deputy of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) named Shamil Tayar (Şamil Tayyar) wrote on his Twitter page after the basketball game Fenerbahce vs. CSKA:

"I want to shoot down another Russian plane."

This phrase, crying out from the point of view of its low level and frivolity, unfortunately got into hundreds of pages of Russian newspapers. Attention to it remains until now.
How do you explain the fact that there are “such politicians” in Turkey? That they do not have any political, moral concerns? The fact that they are devoted only to one person, only they are considered with him and only they are afraid of him?
Or the fact that not a single statement followed from the high-ranking leaders and leaders of the AKP that would put everything in its place?

Is the new prime minister a chance?

We all know about President Erdogan’s arbitrary measure of “expelling Davutoglu” and “putting Yıldırım in his place” (Binali Yıldırım, Minister of Transport, Shipping and Communications of Turkey, who was nominated by the AKP for the post of Prime Minister Turkey - approx. Lane.).
No one expects this to open the door for any major changes in Turkey’s domestic and foreign policy.
We know that if one day a new prime minister makes a statement like “we intend to correct past mistakes”, it will mean not so much sincerity as maneuvers carried out on the installation of Erdogan.
At the same time, the change of the Prime Minister and the government in any country is an important event, no matter what.
It is given importance throughout the world.
Of course, today there are no signals to the fact that Turkey will abandon its abundant tragic mistakes of Syrian politics. But in this matter one can come to a more rational and logical line and take steps to try to prevent events that threaten not only Turkey, but also the AKP authorities.

Perhaps the new prime minister will take certain measures to eliminate the crisis in relations with Russia. Even if these are not the excuses that Moscow is waiting for, the new prime minister may take some easing initiatives.
He may try to show that the line of the former prime minister, who said: "I personally ordered the destruction of the aircraft," in the past.
He may report that Turkey is in favor of creating a mixed commission to punish those responsible.
Moreover, he can initiate a desire to sit back at the negotiating table on the Turkish Stream project, making a statement that the Kremlin has been waiting for with a fading hope for a long time.
I seem to feel how many readers who read these lines frown on their faces and believe that I am in the clouds.
You are right, of course, all this is extremely low probabilities, and Russia will not be convinced.
No, not convincing, but ...
Sometimes, if in politics and diplomacy all the ways are closed, even gestures, the sincerity of which can be argued, can have at least a small return.
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  1. Rash
    Rash 22 May 2016 06: 53
    +15
    The article is continuous conspiracy, an attempt to pull an owl (new prime minister) onto the globe.
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 22 May 2016 06: 57
      +30
      Quote: Rash
      continuous conspiracy
      Bestiality rather negative . The only chance for Turkey to establish relations with Russia is the new president. Replacing Davutoglu with Yıldırım or some other Babai-oglu will not solve the problem. Too Erdogan got too greedy with his neo-Ottoman and, ultimately, anti-Russian policies.
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      2. Mahmut
        Mahmut 22 May 2016 07: 29
        +27
        Erdogan’s change will not get off either. Turks must stop supporting ISIS, the Mejlis and recognize Kurdistan. But this will not happen under any of their presidents because Turkey has included the process of self-liquidation. So is Ukraine. And one asks if the process of establishing relations with a hopelessly sick state is so important for us. Important for the Turks - but they do not want to. For us, no - but for some reason we are scurrying around.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 22 May 2016 08: 20
          +15
          It’s possible to understand the author humanly, but he is mistaken, first of all, in Erdogan himself.
          This political scumbag Erdogan is a psychopath, imagining himself the Sultan of the "Ottoman Empire." In principle, in fact, according to the usurper licentiousness of his behavior, he has already set himself such a sultan in Turkey. And he was such a psychopath when he was still in power - even before the elections. Nothing good was expected from him even then. The only surprise then was that he began to show himself faster than expected. And now there are no prerequisites for it to change. In any case, I do not see them. On the contrary, the situation is now developing in his favor, and he will not back down from his own. Namely.
          1. The United States stands behind him with tacit consent.
          2. Poroshenko sold him (Turkey?) The Kherson region of Ukraine together with the Russian Crimea (!) For only $ 10 million to create autonomy for the Crimean Tatars. Tatars in the Kherson region, there are only about 9 thousand people. Poroshenko’s agreement with Erdogan to populate Ukraine with Turkish migrant Tatars from Turkey is fully consistent with the fulfillment of Erdogan’s dream of sultanism in the Ottoman Empire within its former borders.
          3. Jamala with her song at Eurovision, who received 1st place, only gave Erdogan a sign from the EU that Turkey's expansion to Europe in Ukraine is coming true for him. And the map of Ukraine, presented at Eurovision with the territory of Crimea and Kuban, only indicates the areas that the EU is ready to recognize for Ukraine and which will then be sold to Turkey (Erdogan). Moreover, Poroshenko has already sold Crimea according to the principle in the dispute between Ukraine and Russia "So don't get to anyone!"
          4. Merkel bent under him too. The EU will pay Turkey to retain refugees in Turkey.
          5. Naturally, all of this is conducted by Washington, and those who stand behind the US presidents. And they do not need Erdogan’s peace with Russia. On the contrary, the Pentagon needs war.
          And who after such “successes” of Erdogan will stop him?
          I will say more. Even if Erdogan himself wanted to stay out of the loop of war, he would not dare - the United States would then put a loop around his neck. Everything will be as with Hitler, whom the German "allies" of England and the USA forced to attack the USSR.
          1. Senior manager
            Senior manager 22 May 2016 08: 48
            +4
            I fully support. With the current state of relations in the world, Turkey is a real wolfhound on a leash at Fashington, and about some kind of movement to meet each other - this is from the realm of fantasy. The Supreme has analytics and intelligence, and his actions are understandable and adequate to the model of relations imposed on Russia.
            1. Absurdidat
              Absurdidat 22 May 2016 09: 10
              0
              Turkey has no one on a leash, that’s the problem. You yourself understand what you are writing: fully support the idea that Erdogan is to blame for everything, and then say that he is on a leash. The logic? No, have not heard...
              1. shvn
                shvn 22 May 2016 11: 09
                0
                Like "major", but thoughts are not higher than "corporal".
                Yes, Tatyana is completely right, Turkey simply fucked up with Turgodan.
            2. ydjin
              ydjin 22 May 2016 13: 40
              0
              Quote: St. Propulsion
              I fully support. With the current state of relations in the world, Turkey is a real wolfhound on a leash at Fashington, and about some kind of movement to meet each other - this is from the realm of fantasy. The Supreme has analytics and intelligence, and his actions are understandable and adequate to the model of relations imposed on Russia.

              Wolfhound? A raunchy pug that really can and will bite out of the undercoat. Therefore, Russia needs to be prepared for the role of the dentist, to remove the fangs of the enemy. So, purely for humanitarian reasons, they would be better off, calmer ... laughing
              1. Weyland
                Weyland 22 May 2016 23: 07
                0
                Quote: ydjin
                Wolfhound? A raunchy pug that really can and will bite out of the undercoat.

                No, it’s a wolfhound. Only with a wolfhound go on bear - It’s the same as with a knife for a shootout! laughing
          2. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 22 May 2016 09: 03
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana
            Everything will be the same as with Hitler, whom the German "allies" of England and the USA forced to attack the USSR.
            It seems that one should not demonize Erdogan so much, comparing him with Hitler - too different scale of personality and political weight, coupled with the military-economic potential of the states headed by them. And it is from the realm of fantasy to "force" Turkey to attack Russia directly. Although Erdogan is a psychopath, he is not a suicide.
          3. Absurdidat
            Absurdidat 22 May 2016 09: 14
            -2
            Yes, what is Washington ??? Why would he strengthen the unyielding Erdogan? Name at least one authoritative orientalist who also thinks that Turkey is pumping Washington as well? There are no such. You are just trying to bind together two enemies of Russia. Well then, why only two, we don’t have many friends at all, let's mix everything up to the heap for the pluses of the crowd on the topvar.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 22 May 2016 11: 35
          +2
          Quote: Mahmut
          Erdogan’s change will not get off either. Turks must stop supporting ISIS, the Mejlis and recognize Kurdistan. But this will not happen under any of their presidents because Turkey has included the process of self-liquidation. So is Ukraine. And one asks if the process of establishing relations with a hopelessly sick state is so important for us. Important for the Turks - but they do not want to. For us, no - but for some reason we are scurrying around.

          If instead of Erdogan comes an adequate politician who is really interested in the implementation of the principle of "Zero problems with neighbors", then the support of ISIS and Medzhelis will come to naught.
          Today Turkey does not have a single neighbor with whom there would be no problems, well, perhaps Ukraine, which cannot be called normal either. Most likely they are "Friends in Ward No. 6" and, as you said, entered the phase of self-liquidation. I would say "political anorexia", when in pursuit of the ghostly image of the "Ottoman Empire" or "Ukraine and Europe" there is a voluntary suicide of the state "organism".
          The process of establishing relations is important for us, of course, simply because it’s like in a communal apartment - it’s better to have a calm neighbor than a violent drunk who poisons the lives of all neighbors.
          Changing the prime minister, of course, will not solve the problems, but most likely will increase, since the new prime minister is a relative of Erdagan and matters will be decided "by family".
        3. g1v2
          g1v2 22 May 2016 12: 27
          0
          We don't need Kurdistan in FIG, because it will be unambiguously pro-American. There is also a conflict with the Turks, but we do not have much choice. After our plane was shot down, which, by the way, was most likely a pro-Turkish "Chechen" gang in the mountains of Latakia, we hinted in every possible way - "maybe you accidentally shot down?" Well, if on purpose, then do not be offended. request Putin is now acting according to the old army scheme. When someone flies in, they don't touch him, but start pumping his unit. After a couple of flights, the company usually asks the flyer - "why are we suffering because of you?" Erdogan is preparing for a referendum on presidential powers, and after serious losses to Turkish business and farmers, there is a good chance that he will be given a ride in the referendum. And this is the end of personal power for Erdogashi.
          It is not profitable for us to fight the Turks, since even if we suddenly defeat them quickly, which is possible, but far from obvious, we won nothing. We don’t have common borders anymore, we won’t be able to slaughter zemstvos, there are no other benefits for the country, and if so, why fight? Trading with the Turks is much more profitable, however. There will be a common border, then you can fight. wink
        4. ydjin
          ydjin 22 May 2016 13: 32
          +2
          Quote: Mahmut
          Erdogan’s change will not get off either. Turks must stop supporting ISIS, the Mejlis and recognize Kurdistan. But this will not happen under any of their presidents because Turkey has included the process of self-liquidation. So is Ukraine. And one asks if the process of establishing relations with a hopelessly sick state is so important for us. Important for the Turks - but they do not want to. For us, no - but for some reason we are scurrying around.

          Then I will make my proposal, Turkey must be dismembered! Kurds Kurdistan, Armenia western Armenia, Bulgarians Constantinople with the Russian Naval Base to maintain peace and stability in the region! Well, the Turks of Russian tourists are a consolation! I think so! laughing
      3. INVESTOR
        INVESTOR 22 May 2016 10: 25
        +3
        Erdogan was as if according to Lavrov, they offered him the largest gas hub in Europe to have, to keep the entire geyropu by the throat, while getting loot is not frail. But Lavrov was absolutely accurate regarding such creatures.
      4. razmik72
        razmik72 22 May 2016 11: 04
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: Rash
        continuous conspiracy
        Bestiality rather negative . The only chance for Turkey to establish relations with Russia is the new president. Replacing Davutoglu with Yıldırım or some other Babai-oglu will not solve the problem. Too Erdogan got too greedy with his neo-Ottoman and, ultimately, anti-Russian policies.

        A change in Turkey's leadership will not lead to anything, Russia and Turkey have too different interests in the region, just before Russia (USSR, Russian Empire) was a powerful country, and Turkey was a "sick man of Europe." Now everything has changed fundamentally, Turkey has felt its strength and will try to continue to act as an independent player.
      5. Stas157
        Stas157 22 May 2016 19: 36
        +2
        . MP Şamil Tayyar wrote on his Twitter page: “I want to bring down another Russian plane.”

        This phrase is blatant in terms of its low level and frivolity

        Does the phrase cut the ear? Of course! After all, we suffered sensitive losses, except for the most downed pilot, we also received an insult that remained unanswered!
        And, now, if we cut out the tomatoes for the Turks, then this very situation would be mirrored. The same phrase, only in the form of a question to the Turks: "Do you want to shoot down another Russian plane?", Would shock the Turks themselves!
        I think that the Turks will remember us more than once a downed plane, and of course it will hurt us ... until we teach the Turks a lesson.
        Now you can minus.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 22 May 2016 07: 13
      +9
      First, how many such missiles — potentially capable of significantly influencing the course of hostilities — are at the disposal of the PKK?
      And second: how did the missiles of this type fall into the hands of the PKK?

      1-As long as necessary. 2-Little will be found yet.
      Is the new prime minister a chance?

      The chance will be when Erdogan gets a kick under the ass.
    3. Absurdidat
      Absurdidat 22 May 2016 09: 08
      0
      An excellent article, what’s it like ... how much off topic should you be in order to minus it ???
    4. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 22 May 2016 17: 54
      0
      Quote: Rash
      The article is continuous conspiracy, an attempt to pull an owl (new prime minister) onto the globe.

      Yeah.
      “Russia is stuck in tough politics. The Russian leadership, which showed an extremely harsh and emotional reaction on November 24, sacrificed much of its relations with Turkey in order to“ oppose Erdogan. ”From trade and economic spheres to education, culture and interpersonal ties . "
      1. Russia cannot get stuck, it is on the rise.
      2. Behind the harsh and emotional, you can add an inadequate reaction, this is for you to Erdogan.
      3. Yes, with a significant part of the relationship, there is no refinement. Only all relationships! For the victim again to Erdogan.
      4. Trade and economic do not bother us, these are your problems.
      5. Do you seriously think that we need your education?
      6. Blogging Erdogan’s actions, interpersonal ties are growing with NATO and ISIS. Too much more.
      The respirator! There are so many absurdities in one paragraph.
    5. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 22 May 2016 18: 12
      +1
      Quote: Rash
      The article is continuous conspiracy, an attempt to pull an owl (new prime minister) onto the globe.

      1 "Ankara made the biggest mistake in foreign policy, shooting down a Russian plane."
      "Mistakes must not be admitted. Mistakes must be washed off. Blood" (Caucasian captive)
      2 "The Kremlin hoped very much that as a result of all these sanctions, Erdogan would be brought to his knees. This did not happen. Meanwhile, Russia, which has driven itself into a dead end with this tough policy, has become incapable of other maneuvers in six months."
      So what are you fussing about, sickly? After all, you survived and drink sorbet.
      3 "in the economic sphere, energy cooperation .... in regions such as Tatarstan, the Caucasus, Central Asia"
      That's where you want it, and then a bummer. Drooling will have to pick up. And deal with a proud hysterical Erdogan. No sooner said than that!
      4 "But for fear of Putin's anger, they don't speak out about it."
      And rightly so. They write with us on command. Thank God not Turkey. Where to us before your democracy and freedom of speech. Which of the journalists have you been slapped for the last time?
    6. Shurik70
      Shurik70 22 May 2016 19: 30
      +1
      Quote: Rash
      The article is continuous conspiracy, an attempt to pull an owl (new prime minister) onto the globe.

      I want to remind you that in Turkey, any journalist who dares to explicitly yap something against Erdogan runs the risk of going to jail for a long time.
      So only such veiled hints are possible, and then carefully.
      Normal article.
  2. Yak-15
    Yak-15 22 May 2016 06: 55
    +4
    By force, there must be even more power !!!! Now let Erdogan scratch his turnips. Whose rockets are these and how many of them are in the PKK?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 May 2016 06: 59
      +11
      Quote: YAK-15
      Now let Erdogan scratch turnips

      Yeah, he will block the border with Syria, he will start to fight ISIS himself, read, with yourself. And at the end of the film he will shoot himself from remorse.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 22 May 2016 07: 13
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, he will block the border with Syria, he will start to fight ISIS himself, read, with yourself. And at the end of the film he will shoot himself from remorse.

        Yes! Well, it cannot be! And in Hollywood action movies this does not happen! Romanes are not for you, you are a plus for a hint of a Hollywood plot.
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        2. Yak-15
          Yak-15 22 May 2016 07: 15
          +2
          Well, he himself is not himself, but they can even help in this matter, so that conscience does not bite at all))))
        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 May 2016 07: 27
          +2
          Quote: Amurets

          Yes! Well, it cannot be! And this does not happen in Hollywood action movies!

          It will be a fantastic action. In the second series, American special forces rescue the wounded in the head of Erdogan.
          1. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 22 May 2016 09: 24
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            .In the second series, American special forces rescue the wounded in the head of Erdogan.

            At the same time, against the background of the American flag, a fur seal wounded by direct hit in the head from an RPG dies for 20 minutes. And before his death, Erdogan awards him with the Order of the Republic. yes
          2. AdekvatNICK
            AdekvatNICK 22 May 2016 10: 17
            0
            and exports to Ukraine and makes him mayor of Kiev))
      2. vovanpain
        vovanpain 22 May 2016 07: 34
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah, he’ll block the border with Syria, he’ll start fighting with ISIS,

        Thank you, Alexander, drinks have fun. drinks
      3. Lelek
        Lelek 22 May 2016 10: 24
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov


        hiSanya.
        We must pay tribute to America - they have a war - solid Hollywood, and in Hollywood there is a war with frowning eyebrows, pursed lips and (against the background of a striped mattress) saving the world from the Taty. In nature, they are solid fakes both in wars and in films. Here is an example (click):
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 22 May 2016 07: 52
      +1
      Quote: YAK-15
      By force, there must be even more power !!!! Now let Erdogan scratch his turnips. Whose rockets are these and how many of them are in the PKK?

      So the Kurds can think the same way ... And with their statement that they have avenged our pilots, they can simply try to provoke a conflict between Russia and Turkey. Which will accordingly weaken their main enemy (Turkey). Can they try to cheat? They can. yes
  3. Darth Vader
    Darth Vader 22 May 2016 07: 04
    +6
    If Turkey spits in Russia - Russia will rub off, if Russia spits in Turkey - Turkey will wash it off ...
  4. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 22 May 2016 07: 08
    +5
    Turkey has proved that its attitude towards Russia corresponds to the Russian proverb "How many wolves you feed ..."
    And why do we need the resumption of Turkish Stream - to get another stab in the back?
    What can change in foreign policy the change of one of the politicians? Nothing, the country is led by Erdogan, who gave the green light to the destruction of a Russian aircraft over Syrian territory, which means that nothing can change in relations with the Russian Federation.
    1. populist
      populist 22 May 2016 09: 19
      +1
      olimpiada15
      Turkey has proved that its attitude towards Russia corresponds to the Russian proverb "How many wolves you feed ..."
      And why do we need the resumption of Turkish Stream - to get another stab in the back?

      Absolutely.
      Turkey has always been a historical enemy of Russia and will always remain that enemy. Serious relations with Turkey and any flirting with it are absolutely inappropriate. Article -.
  5. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 22 May 2016 07: 08
    0
    The same eggs ... side view
  6. CORNET
    CORNET 22 May 2016 07: 09
    +4
    I hope Putin will not backtrack .... The war of nerves is on and the Ottomans cannot be trusted, they only understand the power!
  7. Lukich
    Lukich 22 May 2016 07: 11
    +4
    Meanwhile, Russia, which has driven itself into a dead end of this tough policy, in six months has become incapable of other maneuvers.

    and it is not necessary to maneuver. a tough stance towards the former "partner"
    “We are waiting for three steps from Ankara:

    1. Apologies for the destruction of the aircraft.

    2. Payment of compensation.

    3. Punishment of the guilty. "

    that's all the maneuvers
  8. Dalmatia
    Dalmatia 22 May 2016 07: 12
    +7
    The author of the article hints that the former prime minister of Turkey is to blame for everything, and the new prime minister is not involved in the incident with the Russian plane.
    And what does the Turkish premiere have to do with it? All questions to President Erdogan.
    I want to say, the premieres, like tomatoes, do not get off)))
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 May 2016 07: 29
      +3
      Quote: Dalmatia
      And what does the Turkish premiere have to do with it? All questions to President Erdogan.

      The author of the article is not a suicide and understands perfectly well what can happen to him if he mentioned Erdogan in his article.
      1. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 22 May 2016 08: 47
        +2
        For Alexander Romanov.

        You are not right.
        The author mentioned the name of Erdogan in the article, and more than once.
        And as you can see, the author is alive)))
    2. Lukich
      Lukich 22 May 2016 07: 51
      +2
      Quote: Dalmatia
      I want to say, the premieres, like tomatoes, do not get off)))

      complete castration? belay lol
      1. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 22 May 2016 08: 59
        +2
        For Lukich.

        Such a word could not even enter my head.
        1. Lukich
          Lukich 22 May 2016 09: 04
          0
          Quote: Dalmatia
          Such a word could not even enter my head.

          Duc, and I thought by proverb, cut off the very tomatoes smile
    3. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 22 May 2016 10: 16
      +1
      The author of the article Turks. In addition, formally still the main power in Turkey belongs to the prime minister.
  9. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 22 May 2016 07: 12
    0
    One ghoul will replace another.
  10. martin-159
    martin-159 22 May 2016 07: 17
    +3
    Turkey will not be a friend of Russia, that there they do not change, at least the prime ministers at least the presidents. It is necessary to change the Turks.
    And the article is kind of muddy.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 May 2016 07: 36
      +2
      Quote: martin-159
      It is necessary to change the Turks.

      What is it like?
      1. martin-159
        martin-159 22 May 2016 09: 35
        +1
        As in Kosovo, the Serbs were replaced.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 22 May 2016 07: 22
    +3
    Erdogan is the President of the PARLIAMENTARY Republic. He has not yet remade the constitution for himself, and now it may not work out. Article is minus. The author hopes in vain for the weakening of Russia's position. And "Needle" - well, "Needle". This is not a political factor, but MANPADS, which just slightly equalize the chances of the Turkish army and the PKK. Since the KRP can have not only MANPADS, but also ATGMs. "Metis" is also quite effective thing ...
  12. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 22 May 2016 07: 23
    +3
    Quote: CORNET
    I hope Putin will not backtrack .... The war of nerves is on and the Ottomans cannot be trusted, they only understand the power!

    And where to back away then? So far, no serious actions have been taken against Ankara (except for the notorious tomatoes). So there can be no talk of any kind of "backtracking". The new prime minister, the old prime minister - does not change anything (overseas people do not care), I am not bloodthirsty, but the Turks are simply obliged to answer for meanness, and I personally don't care who will carry out the sentence - ours, the Syrians, the Kurds, or, in the end end, ISIS.
    1. Lyton
      Lyton 23 May 2016 05: 54
      0
      But are PKK weapons deliveries not serious?
  13. Karayakupovo
    Karayakupovo 22 May 2016 07: 24
    +2
    And you, dear author, watch the film "White Sun of the Desert" and remember the words of Vereshchagin - "We are offended for the State" And we can earn money elsewhere.
  14. Shark Lover
    Shark Lover 22 May 2016 07: 29
    0
    Skipped a little, almost choked on tea; ".... new prime minister ...", eh, not that one.
  15. then
    then 22 May 2016 07: 33
    +4
    With the new prime minister, Russia has no chance. A chance will appear when Erdogan leaves. It makes sense to pursue a flexible policy in response to a flexible policy of the opposite side, and a rigid policy must be pursued for a rough one. I wonder where ISIS got MANPADS - flexible US policy?
  16. Delink
    Delink 22 May 2016 07: 36
    +1
    We will definitely not return to early relations, so let them look for opportunities for relationships elsewhere.
  17. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 22 May 2016 07: 39
    0
    Here you can at least make some arrangements ... Conspirology, for that and conspiracy theology, doesn’t allow an unlimited flight of fantasy. The United States, for example, can also put the overstated ally in this way ...
    As long as we have what we have: The Turkish army is bombing the Kurds, the Kurds are bombing the Turkish army. Which is natural.
  18. A1L9E4K9S
    A1L9E4K9S 22 May 2016 08: 26
    +2
    Russia is stuck in a tight policy

    At the end, our "leadership" is tired of wiping the spit from the muzzle-face from every creature, which, knowing that for this, nothing from Russia will receive nothing in return, sprinkles it with mud and monstrous lies in every possible way, took up their minds and began to react harder to attacks against the country, because it became so insulting for the State from the impotent policy of the leadership.
  19. K-50
    K-50 22 May 2016 09: 21
    +3
    The Russian leadership, which on November 24 showed an extremely harsh and emotional reaction

    No one has the right to inflict damage on anything in Russia without consequences. Payment for the deed should be, definitely! am
    In the end, there are those who insist on the need for flexible steps that will make Ankara, if not friendly, as before, then at least neutral to the capital of Moscow, and in the future will make it possible to stop the potential “flash points”

    First: apologize for the downed plane, hang the guilty on the nearest bitch, compensate for material losses to the state of Russia and the family of the deceased pilot, and then we will "look". BUT! there will never be such an attitude as it was before November 24. Russia does not forget the guilty. NEVER!
    Remember this and cook and tremble !!!! am
  20. 31rus2
    31rus2 22 May 2016 09: 35
    0
    Dear, I still do not understand what the article is about? What did the author want to say? The questions raised in the article have long been known, the answers are the same, the change of the minister is not as a move in relations with Russia, but on the contrary the strengthening of Erdogan's power, a downed helicopter, but What should we contemplate on the actions of Turkey? No, and weapons, including one of the options to think about, where are you climbing, the questions sound very strange whose launchers and missiles, and whose ATGM is "TOW", so do your excrement
  21. udincev
    udincev 22 May 2016 09: 39
    0
    I seem to feel how many readers who read these lines frown on their faces and believe that I am in the clouds.
    Thoughts and promises are material? what
    Then, judging by the comments of VO, you should feel far from in the clouds (white and fluffy) somersaulting! laughing love
  22. atamankko
    atamankko 22 May 2016 11: 07
    0
    That Erdogan, that his new friend - politics must be changed by the Turks.
  23. Winnie76
    Winnie76 22 May 2016 11: 12
    0
    The author is apparently a normal, adequate person. For a bad world is better than a good war. But for Russians, the case of an airplane is now a matter of principle. As expressed by GDP - a knife in the back. Therefore, Russian-Turkish wars, Chechnya and other old showdowns immediately surfaced. Therefore, the Russian Federation will not stop until Turkey becomes very, very painful.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 May 2016 17: 00
      -1
      "For a bad peace is better than a good war.
      But for the Russians, the plane case is now a matter of principle. "////

      Well, then what? There dangling the Su-35 over Syria, catch
      Turkish F-16 near the border, shoot down with a rocket, as they did ...
      And say, "Quits 1: 1, let's put up now."

      It is clear that without Turkey, Syria cannot be disentangled. There you can another 10 years
      fly to bomb all 100 groups. All the same, more reinforcements will come from Turkey
      endlessly and supply.
      Until Putin and Erdogan make peace and sit down to talk over a cup of coffee,
      war will be forever.
  24. Zena20298
    Zena20298 22 May 2016 11: 39
    +1
    Until Erdogan dies and is replaced by an adequate person, there will be no changes in relations between Russia and Turkey. And yes, I think that Putin is too soft in this particular case, but I think that perhaps this softness is justified.
  25. Sealek
    Sealek 22 May 2016 13: 20
    0
    "durkogans", "gutters", "dudopsheks", "romaninobaseski" and other mongrels without a muzzle - will bark and bite their trousers because the "black-assed owner from behind a puddle" has taken off the muzzle from them and is driving them on.
    The question is who needs to straighten the haryulitsa in the first place - this yapping trash, or the greyhound owner - whining because of the prospect of getting a "otvetka"? (the policy is called)

    Obama looks forward to Russia's next steps on nuclear disarmament
    More on TASS:
    http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/3303577
  26. PValery53
    PValery53 22 May 2016 15: 09
    0
    "How did this type of rockets get into the hands of the PKK?"
    - In exactly the same way as the "brave" Chechen bandits fled from Russian retaliation on the territory of the Turkish country, only in the opposing direction.
  27. Shurik70
    Shurik70 22 May 2016 19: 15
    +1
    New Prime Minister - a chance in relations with Russia

    The chance will be after the Turks themselves hang Erdogan.
  28. wandlitz
    wandlitz 22 May 2016 21: 02
    0
    The Kremlin really hoped that as a result of all these sanctions, Erdogan would be able to get on his knees. That did not happen. Meanwhile, Russia, which has driven itself into a dead end of this tough policy, in six months has become incapable of other maneuvers.ry

    And that the Turks were honored with other maneuvers ...
    And what is it that Russia has driven itself into a dead end
    I do not agree with the author of the article and its conclusions on 80 percent
  29. faterdom
    faterdom 22 May 2016 21: 48
    +1
    On Eurovision from Russia it is necessary to send Kurdish singers with the song "Polyushko-pole". Let everyone in Europe listen. and in Turkey, of course. But they still need to rehearse a lot, a lot. In the mountains. With a Needle. Whoever comes to us with ISIS will fall from the Needle.
  30. kush62
    kush62 23 May 2016 03: 48
    0
    Turkey’s new prime minister is Erdogan’s son-in-law. What kind of policy change are we waiting for?
  31. 96423lom
    96423lom 24 May 2016 12: 37
    +1
    Most of all, in the situation with Turkey, I was outraged by the reaction of some of our citizens "where are we going to rest now." For me, in any case, National pride is not an empty phrase. And tomatoes grow here too. What the normalization of relations with Turkey is doing is seen in the example of the EU. It is necessary to negotiate, but only on our terms.