Military Review

Groisman and Lutsenko were approached with the initiative to create a commission that would identify those responsible for "undermining the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine"

72
The press service of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine has spread the message that the deputies and representatives of the Ministry of Defense are asking Prime Minister Vladimir Groisman to create a special commission to investigate the “case of the collapse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine” by ex-officials of the Ministry of Defense. Representatives of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and the main military prosecutor’s office state that “a measure was revealed to undermine the state’s defense, which led to the fact that the Ukrainian Armed Forces could not give a fitting rebuff to the aggressor.”


From the message press service VRU (quote "112 Ukraine"):
Committee members (on defense) stated that as a result of the long-term anti-state position of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and other high-ranking officials, the anti-aircraft defense system was actually destroyed, armored vehicles, helicopters, ammunition and rocket-artillery weapons were sold, which did not allow the armed forces of Ukraine to give the necessary repulse aggressor.


It is reported that the initiative to create the next commission has already been sent to Groisman with a simultaneous proposal to finance the activities of this commission from the “reserve fund of the state budget”. The funds will reportedly be used to pay for “professionals who will collect facts about the undermining of the combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine”. About how much money will have to spend on it in order to establish the amount of stolen funds, not reported ...

In addition, representatives of the Verkhovna Rada Committee appealed to the Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko with a proposal to hold a meeting on the return of finances, "alienated from the budget of the main defense department."

Groisman and Lutsenko were approached with the initiative to create a commission that would identify those responsible for "undermining the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine"


So far, there is no information about how Lutsenko reacted to such a proposal, but it is known that the Prosecutor General of Ukraine decided to visit the prison cell (Lukyanovskiy SIZO), where he had once awaited the decision of his fate.
Photos used:
Photo: facebook.com/LarysaSargan
72 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 20 May 2016 18: 08
    +8
    search switchman. or groups. then it’s possible to ascribe a preliminary conspiracy. the main pests are Yanukovych and Yatsenyuk. They add a smaller shusher, and the pest process is ready. in total: Pig - white and fluffy.
    1. Infinity
      Infinity 20 May 2016 18: 12
      +12
      Now it turns out that a certain person with the surname Putin, who secretly led the APU through the FSB, spoiled everything ... fellow

      The AFU and the authorities are to blame for undermining the fighting efficiency. Really the search for the scapegoat.
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 20 May 2016 18: 27
        +10
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/154/zziv503.png

        They didn’t, but destroyed the country (there will also be the Ukrainian Nuremberg trial), but here with such a trifle as the collapse of the army (which does not exist) they climb ...
        And in general, - there is no time for "genplokulol" to engage in such crap, let them read
        his work schedule! wassat
        1. cniza
          cniza 20 May 2016 18: 47
          +6
          The reason to deal with objectionable.
        2. The comment was deleted.
      2. CORNET
        CORNET 20 May 2016 18: 33
        +10
        Groisman and Waltzman are clearly investigating everything .... Moreover, the commission will be financed from the "reserve fund" ... Everything fell under the table ..)))) laughing wassat
      3. Altona
        Altona 20 May 2016 18: 43
        +4
        Quote: Infinity
        Really the search for the scapegoat.

        --------------------
        I don't understand why they are "decommunizing" the country? They are walking the right beaten path in 1937. Black funnels and leather coats with Mausers, a lamp in your face. Nikita Khrushchev at one time wanted to record 50000 people a month as "traitors and enemies of the people", so now they are loyal and furious followers. Special department, special folders, and all that. Why engage in amateur performances?
      4. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 20 May 2016 18: 59
        +12
        Quote: Infinity
        APU itself is guilty of undermining combat effectiveness and power. Really the search for the scapegoat.
        “Revealed the activity to undermine the defense of the state, which led to the fact that APU could not give a fitting rebuff to the aggressor»
        Like this? Could not fight back?

        And if you read ukronosti and listen to Ukrainian politicians? And if you count all the destroyed Altai horse-armored divisions? And the medals for the victory over Russia, for the heroism in the environment? Now, after all, from such news that it turned out that they could not fight back, half of Ukraine is tearing the roof off !!!

        The classics of the genre - to make it up and tell everyone that it was sour cabbage soup in the canteen - the cook-dog is to blame ...

        Yes, and more. Question. Probably to the Ukrainian Defense Committee. BUT if Ukraine could not repulse the aggressor, then where is the aggressor? Why is he still not in Kiev and not in Lviv? Maybe because the "aggressor" does not need that Ukraine with its war? It is so unnecessary that the "aggressor" did not even consider it necessary to fight with Ukraine. And if he did, then why would he, the "aggressor", be prevented from fighting in Ukraine, but simply covering it with the same "Calibers"?

        Probably, the last thought suddenly occurred to the horse trainers from Washington. After Syria. So they advised their trained animals to shout less about "peremogu", and it is better to look for those who are guilty of "zrada" - those who have developed a resource in ukropolitika, who do not feel sorry for. Like the same Yaytsenyukh ...
      5. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 20 May 2016 20: 18
        +5
        What a blast ?? They also defeated the one that is stronger than the British seas .. An interesting photo in the article .. From the plank bed to the prosecutor’s chair, then in a circle ..
      6. Alex777
        Alex777 20 May 2016 20: 42
        +2
        Quote: Infinity
        Now it turns out that a certain person with the surname Putin, who secretly led the APU through the FSB, spoiled everything ... fellow

        The AFU and the authorities are to blame for undermining the fighting efficiency. Really the search for the scapegoat.


        Will Turchinov be appointed the goat? wink
      7. APASUS
        APASUS 20 May 2016 20: 45
        +7
        Quote: Infinity
        Now it turns out that a certain person with the surname Putin, who secretly led the APU through the FSB, spoiled everything ...

        But what's the point, they’ll have to put up a fence and set up towers right around Kiev. They all know very well, so I can pass one, but I think except for the medal from Lutsenko he won’t get anything else
    2. Dimontius
      Dimontius 20 May 2016 18: 24
      +3
      Probably funny, from the real accused and imprisoned in the prosecutor general smile It’s clear that he’s that henchman, but it’s painful at the same time that the bastard taxied beautifully, you can’t argue good
    3. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 20 May 2016 18: 26
      +10
      This does not change anything, but it explains a lot in the new Banderstadt, such as renamed! fool
    4. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 20 May 2016 18: 27
      +11
      When they shout "we have been betrayed," look for the reason in yourself. They began to sell the country from the time of Kuchma, continued Yushchenko, Yanukovych, Poroshenko will finish, on this Ukraine, as a state, will cease to exist.
      1. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 20 May 2016 19: 21
        +1
        Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
        When they shout "we have been betrayed," look for the reason in yourself. They began to sell the country from the time of Kuchma, continued Yushchenko, Yanukovych, Poroshenko will finish, on this Ukraine, as a state, will cease to exist.

        So I thought about the same thing. This pile needs to be raked from below, which naturally no one will do, because taking all the sulfur out of the hutaskray is more expensive for myself .... well, and you understand how it will be chewed in real life
      2. kotvov
        kotvov 21 May 2016 11: 43
        0
        . The country began to sell since the time of Kuchma, ,,
        alas, you are mistaken. Kuchma simply continued the work of Kravchuk.
    5. vovanpain
      vovanpain 20 May 2016 18: 35
      +17
      Vladimir Groysman to create a special commission to investigate "the case of the collapse of the Armed Forces by ex-officials of the Ministry of Defense"

      It seems that the junters have become completely shameful, they decided to find scapegoats, please: 1-Kravchuk, 2-Kuchma, 3-Yushchenko, 4-Yanukovych, 5-Poroshenko, well, smaller figures: Tymoshenko, Yatsenyuk, Lazarenko, Lutsenko, etc. They themselves, all by themselves, sold and destroyed with their own hands.
      but it’s known that the Prosecutor General of Ukraine decided to visit a prison cell

      That’s right, you have to look in advance for a place for your friends too.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 20 May 2016 19: 04
        +10
        Quote: vovanpain
        It seems that the junters have become completely shameful, they decided to find scapegoats, please: 1-Kravchuk, 2-Kuchma, 3-Yushchenko, 4-Yanukovych, 5-Poroshenko, well, smaller figures: Tymoshenko, Yatsenyuk, Lazarenko, Lutsenko, etc. They themselves, all by themselves, sold and destroyed with their own hands.

        About six months ago, I wrote that with Ukraine then it would be possible to talk about something when they themselves hang their Bandera at the lanterns.

        What has already begun? So fast? I have a ticket to the first row of the stalls, please ....
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 20 May 2016 19: 13
          +6
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          What has already begun? So fast? I have a ticket to the first row of the stalls, please ....

          No, at first you can’t - they sprinkle with blood or shit. what
    6. The comment was deleted.
    7. siberalt
      siberalt 20 May 2016 20: 06
      +3
      There Lyashko rebelled against Groysman and Lutsenko. He brought a clamshell to the Rada and threatens the deputies with an overnight stay until he overcomes it. laughing
    8. The comment was deleted.
    9. marlin1203
      marlin1203 20 May 2016 22: 19
      +3
      Geleta dumped in time. Here is a "chuyka" in a person! yes
    10. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 21 May 2016 01: 45
      0
      guilty of "undermining the combat effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine"
      Now they will reliably determine who and where invented vodka!
    11. marl
      marl 21 May 2016 13: 34
      0
      Quote: oleg-gr
      search switchman. or groups.

      And why waste money and so it is clear that the damned Muscovites ... are they to blame. New season of the soap opera "Fighting the Windmills".
  2. Barakuda
    Barakuda 20 May 2016 18: 13
    +2
    Deb-loids, sir, To put it mildly. Greetings to all goats.
  3. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 20 May 2016 18: 15
    +2
    They may like feeding, let them stay there, anyway they will either condemn or kill their own.
  4. Sergerius
    Sergerius 20 May 2016 18: 16
    +4
    FROM one word of VRU - it becomes somehow disgusting, sticky, stinky and the following give crying
  5. Donlomakin
    Donlomakin 20 May 2016 18: 19
    +3
    In the list at number one put Poroshenko.
  6. Yak-15
    Yak-15 20 May 2016 18: 21
    +3
    Shielding Dope is the first, it’s the last reason!
  7. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 20 May 2016 18: 25
    +4
    - "to finance the activities of this commission from the" reserve fund of the state budget. "The funds, reportedly, will be used to pay for the work of" specialists who will collect facts about the undermining of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' combat capability. "

    Masterpiece !!! good

    - "which led to the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine could not give a worthy rebuff to the aggressor"

    Strange, but Petyunya tells everyone what they gave. request Yes, and Poltorak-Debaltsevsky, not far behind laughing

    - "the creation of a commission that will determine those responsible for" undermining the combat capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "

    Well, a commission will be created, even those responsible will be appointed, I have no doubt about that. And with combat efficiency - what? laughing
    Well, I certainly understand what is sinful over the sick, etc. But I really wanted to laughing
  8. Vasily V
    Vasily V 20 May 2016 18: 26
    +4
    Ukrainian prosecutor
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 20 May 2016 19: 42
      +5
      Quote: Vasily V
      Ukrainian prosecutor

      Better this masterpiece. At first, I didn’t understand what Igor was throwing for the blizzard, but after listening to the end he was laughing like a horse)))
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 20 May 2016 20: 12
        +4
        This is concededevral !!! hi Where did you dig it out?))))
        I thought that Ukrainians have just become mutants, but no ... 2010 video.
        After viewing this masterpiece, I think in maternity hospitals, at the birth of the next dill, it’s necessary to hang a tag on the leg not of a boy / girl, but of an idiot / idiot No. ....

        P.S. Look everyone!
      2. The comment was deleted.
      3. your1970
        your1970 20 May 2016 23: 09
        +2
        The announcer is trying to stop the narcotic nonsense, but ... this is not to stop ...
        I can see how he grabs the arms of the airport, calls for help, and in an hour the special forces of the 404 country land there ...
        Lord save and carry Russia from such politicians !!! God forbid !!!
      4. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 21 May 2016 06: 08
        +1
        For God's sake, make someone a professional translation into German, this masterpiece. And show it to the Germans. They lose so much.
        "Well, what the fuck Lutsenko, did your Ukraine help you?" laughing
        Everything, I have a hysteria, left to laugh ... laughing
  9. Yarik76
    Yarik76 20 May 2016 18: 26
    +5
    The goat has already been found for the campaign, but he does not know yet! Soon they will score.
  10. VP
    VP 20 May 2016 18: 28
    +2
    Yawning: why investigate, Putin is usually to blame for everything in Ukraine.
  11. Egoza
    Egoza 20 May 2016 18: 30
    +10
    Yatsenyuk do not touch! He will shoot back!
    Former Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk, as Kiev journalists found out, resigned with a rather substantial arsenal of weapons. In addition to Thompson's American submachine gun, he also received the Maxim award-winning easel machine gun. It turns out that the order about this was issued in May last year by the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the independent Arsen Avakov.
    As stated in the award order, the Maxim machine gun has now been issued to the former prime minister “for special merits in protecting constitutional rights and freedoms, exemplary performance of official and civil duties, revealing honor and valor in this case”. At the same time, Avakov, in the same order, made sure that Arseniy Yatsenyuk was given a permit for storage, and, which especially entertained the audience, for ... “wearing” the award-winning “Maxim”. Which, for a minute, together with the machine weighs 64 kilograms.
    In this connection, Internet users are wondering what events the politician will carry this toy with, and if there is any connection with the famous phrase of Yatsenyuk, which he said on the Maidan “Kul in the forehead, so kul in the forehead!” (Bullet in the forehead, so bullet in the forehead).

    This is not the first "zbroya" (weapon - editor's note) in the arsenal of a politician. In the same May 2015, from the hands of the Minister of Defense Stepan Poltorak, he received a "gangster" Thompson submachine gun of 1928 with 203 "coolies". Sergey SEMUSHKIN

    Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/76720-yacenyuka-nagradili-pulemetom-maksim-s-pravom
    -nosheniya.html
    Politikus.ru
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 20 May 2016 18: 48
      +9
      Quote: Egoza
      premium machine gun "Maxim".

      belay

      At such a pace, there will soon begin to give award tanks recourse
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 20 May 2016 19: 49
        +10
        Quote: Observer 33
        At such a pace, there will soon begin to give award tanks

        Thank God that there are no nuclear weapons left.
      2. your1970
        your1970 20 May 2016 23: 11
        +4
        what about tanks it’s unlikely repeat - but the tachanka under the award Maxim can already be easily ....
  12. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 20 May 2016 18: 30
    +4
    "The Armed Forces of Ukraine could not give a worthy rebuff to the aggressor."
    Something I did not understand ... it seems like the strongest army in Europe, fighting with 200000 Rus aggressors and defeating them, could not fight back? In the sense of Moscow did not capture, or how to understand? All the fields of Ukraine are covered with the dead bodies of the GRU-shnikov, mixed with the wreckage of Russian armored vehicles and aircraft ... everyone saw it, everyone knows it! This is a reservation, definitely! wassat
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 20 May 2016 18: 53
      +5
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      Everyone has seen it, everyone knows it!

      And the battery is in the smartphone, it’s dead ... tongue
      Did not charge the battery? There is no photo, there is no feat, no netut ... Special commission, tribunal, execution. A mustache. laughing
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 20 May 2016 19: 06
        +4
        Quote: Observer 33
        And the battery is in the smartphone, it’s dead

        It’s the aura of Putin’s shamans that acts like that ... they showed on TV! There, not only smartphones cut down batteries for smartphones, for cameras, for everything ... in glorious wars, the ATO begins to spin, the smell of a burner appears in the mouth, they become their own, their own, their own. fellow
      2. The comment was deleted.
  13. Vitas
    Vitas 20 May 2016 18: 33
    +4
    So like Kotsaba has already been appointed guilty. Still looking for scapegoats ?!
    1. Yak-15
      Yak-15 20 May 2016 19: 06
      +1
      The bigger, the better. You can already compose a conspiracy with an extensive foreign network, well, etc., etc.
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 20 May 2016 19: 23
      +2
      Quote: Vitas
      Still looking for scapegoats ?!

      So after all "from above" from the IMF (NATO, USA) ordered to leave 13-3 out of 4 admirals. So they decide, since to fire, then with sense for Nezalezhnaya.
  14. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 20 May 2016 18: 34
    +4
    Committee members (on defense) stated that as a result of the long-term anti-state position of the leadership of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine and other high-ranking officials, the anti-aircraft defense system was actually destroyed, armored vehicles, helicopters, ammunition and rocket-artillery weapons were sold, which did not allow the armed forces of Ukraine to give the necessary repulse aggressor.
    Yes, there you can take any ex-official of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and in 3-4 days 100% prove his involvement in the theft. And not only "ex-", but also acting, and take them in batches. And for this commission, you need so much money!
  15. AFG-X
    AFG-X 20 May 2016 18: 57
    +3
    It would be something to undermine.
    1. Yak-15
      Yak-15 20 May 2016 18: 59
      +2
      How dare you say so, about the most powerful Army of the Continent)))))
    2. The comment was deleted.
  16. Pyokhar
    Pyokhar 20 May 2016 19: 17
    +5
    "... the prosecutor general of ukraine decided to visit the prison cell, where he once awaited the decision of his fate."
    Checks, you bastard, did not take his place.
  17. BOB044
    BOB044 20 May 2016 19: 17
    +2
    Yes, these di..l..v and worth discussing. What kind of leadership is this and the country.
  18. atamankko
    atamankko 20 May 2016 19: 21
    +2
    No need to steal and betray the country,
    although the junta does not understand this.
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 20 May 2016 19: 30
      +2
      Quote: atamankko
      No need to steal and betray the country,

      So they are only due to this and live. This is normal there.
      1. LÄRZ
        LÄRZ 20 May 2016 19: 55
        +3
        Quote: novobranets
        Quote: atamankko
        No need to steal and betray the country,

        So they are only due to this and live. This is normal there.

        As one of my colleagues from Voroshilovograd used to say: "Nay ... deceive your neighbor and rejoice, for he will deceive you and rejoice ..." Thinking of the head of the shop.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 20 May 2016 20: 18
          +1
          Quote: LÄRZ
          As one of my colleague from Voroshilovograd said

          In the original source, psalm No. ... sounds like this - "... nae ..., ahem repeat , deceive your neighbor at a distance, for he, having approached, will deceive you and rejoice. " laughing
  19. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 May 2016 19: 40
    +3
    Wait - wait. How did they not give a proper rebuff to the aggressor? They defeated the aggressor three times, and kicked him in the teeth, and beat something else ... I just break the template. To declare the victory of the most powerful army on the continent (Antarctica, probably), and at the same time to investigate the "undermining of its combat capability"! D.B. (strictly L).
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 20 May 2016 20: 28
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      They defeated the aggressor three times,

      Exactly, three times. And according to the plan should have been sixteen times fellow . There is zrada, betrayal. crying Karau-u-ul! wassat An urgent need to appoint a scapegoat, and like Vysotsky's "... so at once the goat will be found, brought and beaten, on the horns of him, but between him ..." bully by chance I didn’t get to the true culprits, although everyone already knows them.
  20. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 20 May 2016 19: 42
    +13
    ancient texts are always right
    1. Yak-15
      Yak-15 20 May 2016 20: 25
      +3
      Where did you find this diamond !!!!!! This is a revolution in historical science))))))
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 21 May 2016 11: 32
        +1
        This is a revolution in historical science)))))) ,,
        and confirmation of historical fact.
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. Barakuda
      Barakuda 20 May 2016 21: 15
      +5
      The translator from me is bad. Well, I'm sorry, the truth is there.
  21. Hypocrite
    Hypocrite 20 May 2016 19: 44
    +3
    Donbass, however ...
  22. stoker
    stoker 20 May 2016 19: 58
    +1
    It will end up accusing Russia of leaving too few weapons in Ukraine in 1991. They will also make up a list of undelivered.
  23. Prisoner
    Prisoner 20 May 2016 20: 02
    +1
    How can one undermine something that did not exist at all ?!
    1. Pyokhar
      Pyokhar 20 May 2016 20: 26
      +1
      In Ukraine, everything can be, because it is a country of frightened opportunities. yes
  24. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 20 May 2016 22: 04
    +2
    The collapse of the Ukrainian army began with Kravchuk and continued under Kuchma and ended under Yushchenko ...
  25. sounddoc
    sounddoc 20 May 2016 22: 56
    +6
    Well, as they say, what is pop, such is the coming ....
  26. biron
    biron 21 May 2016 05: 55
    +2
    I didn’t understand, but how is the statement that the Ukrainian army is the most efficient in Europe?
    1. Yak-15
      Yak-15 21 May 2016 11: 24
      +1
      About that, he blurted out from a hangover, and when he got sober, he saw that the army was full of tytspytsdyts.
  27. Foxmara
    Foxmara 21 May 2016 06: 23
    +1
    “Everyone knows that Kiev supplied the Georgian army on the eve of the war in South Ossetia. The vast majority of Tbilisi’s military potential in mid-2008 was made up of equipment repaired, modernized and sold by Kiev. And meanwhile, Kiev also pumped up arms with Azerbaijan in the same way.” Tornadoes ", which are currently in service with the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan - from Kiev, many tanks, guns, helicopters, aircraft, anti-aircraft systems too. Kiev even gave its allies weapons that were at that moment on its combat duty.

    In the three pre-war years, Ukraine sent 132 tanks to the Caucasus for its GUAM allies. And also 134 units of light armored vehicles, more than a hundred units of barrel artillery, dozens of MLRS. And part of the equipment was sold without weapons, and therefore to track how much it was actually sold is not always possible.
    From the end of 2005, supplies to the troops of BM "Bulat" tanks began, which were originally supposed to be made as much as 400 units. But Ukroboronprom did not cope. He could not simultaneously "rivet" dozens of tanks annually to Georgia, Azerbaijan and himself. "
    So, the question is: who created GUAM - that and slippers soldier laughing No matter how our striped "partners" - the light elves turn out to be vinuvata
  28. Warm Padded Jacket
    Warm Padded Jacket 21 May 2016 07: 03
    +1
    ahaha, they will create a commission against themselves)))
  29. Wajra-3
    Wajra-3 21 May 2016 07: 46
    0
    "... it is known that the Prosecutor General of Ukraine decided to visit a prison cell (Lukyanovskoe SIZO) ..."
    That is right. The individual camera must be kept in proper condition. Come back soon!
  30. acetophenon
    acetophenon 21 May 2016 08: 44
    0
    The ass separated from the head and gained "independence". And now he's trying to grow his own head. But another ass grows. Only smaller and upstairs. And it stinks. Ass. They take it off, grow it again, and again - the ass.
    There has never been such a thing, and now - again! (from)
  31. kotvov
    kotvov 21 May 2016 11: 29
    0
    Prosecutor General of Ukraine decided to go to a prison cell (Lukyanovsk pre-trial detention center), where he once awaited a decision on his fate. ,,
    nostalgia, or foresight of the future.