Boeing introduced anti-submarine missile

For the first time, Boeing presented to the public a new HAAWC anti-submarine missile, which plans to arm P-8 Poseidon aircraft, reports Lenta.ru report Defense News post.

The publication notes that "the HAAWC system (High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon Capability) is designed to defeat submarines when dropped from a great height (about 9 kilometers)."

According to the information, "it is a kit that turns the small-sized 324-mm torpedo Mark 54 into a rocket with wings, tail assembly and a control system based on satellite navigation."

A demonstration of the use of the P-8 is scheduled for next year.

“The need for high-altitude weapons arose due to the serious progress that China and Russia demonstrate in their nuclear submarine development programs fleet", - writes the publication with reference to a military source.

The P-8 Poseidon patrol aircraft enters the US Navy with the 2013 G, it is intended to replace the outdated P-3 Orion.

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[Lt. Air Force stock]

In general, nothing new, just as in the case of the JDAM bombs, they screwed the steering surfaces + in addition to the wings to the dashboard.

[sever.56]

If wings, after falling into the sea. they don’t add up, or do not shoot back, I can’t imagine how vertical and horizontal blades are shifted and maneuvering.
Since the beginning of the 70s, we have been armed with torpedoes, which, for the destruction of surface and underwater targets, could be launched both from aircraft and from surface ships.
For us, this is a long-established way to deliver torpedoes.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: sever.56

Since the beginning of the 70s, we have been armed with torpedoes, which, for the destruction of surface and underwater targets, could be launched both from aircraft and from surface ships.

After launch, a torpedo flies like a rocket after reaching the required area, the torpedo is separated from the rocket and descends into the water by parachute, then after the torpedo enters the water, the engine and torpedo sonar are launched and it goes to the target.

Quote: sever.56

If wings, after falling into the sea. they don’t add up, or do not shoot back, I can’t imagine how vertical and horizontal blades are shifted and maneuvering.

Most likely at a height of several meters above the water, the torpedo disconnects from this system and enters the water.

Quote: sever.56

For us, this is a long-established way to deliver torpedoes.

Our missile torpedoes are mainly weapons launched from the sea and from under the water through a torpedo tube. Although probably caliber rocket torpedoes can be launched from an airplane.
The same system should be a cheaper alternative to rocket torpedoes and will naturally be used only from an airplane, unlike rocket torpedoes.
We would also like to create such kits for our small torpedoes, all the same it is better than dropping torpedoes with a parachute.

[sir_obs]

The only question is, why throw a torpedo from such a height? How many times does a plane get target designation? I doubt that being at such a height, he will be able to find something there. You need to either drop the buoys, or get target designation from someone (in this case, the message to throw a torpedo from such a height is not clear), or the boat commander must be an idiot and stay on the surface. Our diesel boats were mentioned there as the main targets.
But in order to find a boat from such a height, you need to use the location, and as soon as the boat detects radiation, it immediately plunges on an urgent basis. Surfacing, he understands the roll forward in the same way, and making sure that there is no radiation and looking around at the periscope, he will float to the positional position.
You can certainly use all sorts of gas analyzers and thermal imagers. But not from such a height and the boat also not only in the radio frequency range monitors the situation.

I doubt that the torpedo has a long range of its own means of observation, and therefore it needs to be reset quite accurately.


The Americans depicted old tactics with a new sauce.
In 1942, during the period of maximum activity in the Atlantic, the Americans successfully used the B24 Liberator heavy bombers against German boats. The boats at that time were mostly on the surface, tracking down transports, and the Americans, finding a boat, lowered their gas and dropped bombs .. Often the Germans slammed the plane and received a large hummingbird or deep bomb if they managed to sink.
but it also happened that the Germans shot down an airplane. Who cares can be found in nete enough on this topic.

But from the means of observation bleed only eyes and optics. Now everything is somewhat different.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: sir_obs

why throw a torpedo from such a height? How many times does a plane get target designation? I doubt that being at such a height, he will be able to find something there.

1. MANPADS and SAM missiles operate up to N = 4-8km.
2. In this case, the R-8A TsU will receive from the RSABs (field, barrier, hydrophones BGAS).
3. Poseidon can detect the submarine's periscope, its heat trail: an opto-electronic system, a radar (mapping (!) Is even possible) and an infrared station are available.

Quote: sir_obs

I don’t understand the promise of throwing a torpedo from such a height. I doubt that the torpedo has a long range of its own means of observation, and therefore it needs to be dropped quite accurately.

She according to GPS plans to to the point of the triggered RSAB. Then it is dropped with a parachute, it is brought down, shooting a parachute, search in a spiral. V move = up to 28,0uz; H places = from 18,0m; D course (?) = 2400m. Able to work in shallow water in the coastal zone. The glider dramatically reduces * travel time * to the discharge point Mk54. GPS system - dramatically improves accuracy. Hence the increase in the efficiency of the search for submarines, tk D fuel pressure, total = 1,0-3,0km (from hydrology).
By the way: GPS is the Achilles' heel of the Amsk weapon. In wartime (the threatened period), we will crush her. Therefore, the Yankees are already quietly hysterical about this. This is the main reason for the concept of "instant global strike". (Until the GPS was disabled!)
Best regards,

[Thunderbolt]

I did not know that from such heights (9 km) the Americans were planning to destroy enemy boats.

[Mountain shooter]

Futuristic, economical, the idea of ​​fastening the glider to the dashboard is understandable. Not interested.

[poquello]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Futuristic, economical, the idea of ​​fastening the glider to the dashboard is understandable. Not interested.

right, vice versa (sub-air) is another matter entirely

[Bronik]

I guess they took the money, as for super-development.

[Professor]

For the first time, Boeing presented to the public a new HAAWC anti-submarine missile, which is planned to equip the P-8 Poseidon aircraft, reports Lenta.ru with a Defense News message.

For the first time?
HAAWC High Altitude Torpedo Dump System
5 May 2012

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: professor

For the first time?
HAAWC High Altitude Torpedo Dump System
5 May 2012

Only one moment is not clear, such a torpedo is supposed to be dropped from a height of 9 kilometers (according to the article), but P-8 anti-submarine aircraft during search activities fall to 60 meters above sea level. And at this height they search for submarines.
In what cases is it planned to use such systems? To achieve long range, you need to launch such a torpedo from a high altitude, so that it far plans for the target, but anti-submarine aircraft usually do not work at high altitude.

[Professor]

The article of May 5, 2012 has answers to your questions.

[Amurets]

Quote: professor

HAAWC High Altitude Torpedo Dump System

Professor! Question? This does not apply to the HAAWC system. Does a submarine use a submarine when it is on the surface or from a depth, submerged? Everything else is clear from the link.

[Professor]

Quote: Amurets

.ZRK submarine applies when it is on the surface or from the depth, submerged?

EMIP is at periscope depth and above water. I had an article about this.

[Amurets]

Quote: professor

EMIP is at periscope depth and above water. I had an article about this.

Then it might be better to go deeper, under the jump layer. How many boats died only because they could not sink. I do not mean torpedoes, I mean damage to the submarine hull from airguns and machine guns.

[Professor]

My military profession is directly related to submarines. Always respected these desperate people. The main thing for them is not to shine. Lighted up - SAM does not help.

[Amurets]

Quote: professor

My military profession is directly related to submarines. Always respected these desperate people. The main thing for them is not to shine. Lighted up - SAM does not help.

Here I am, too! When the Americans and the British introduced a system of convoy aircraft carriers, the Germans began to suffer heavy losses of submarines from aviation and MZA did not help the submariners. The "Cash cows" were especially hard hit, and the combat ones were getting a lot. .In my opinion the best protection for boats is depth.

[cap]

Quote: professor

My military profession is directly related to submarines. Always respected these desperate people. The main thing for them is not to shine. Lighted up - SAM does not help.

You are right as always. Professor, you are a plus.

[cap]

Quote: professor

Quote: Amurets

.ZRK submarine applies when it is on the surface or from the depth, submerged?

EMIP is at periscope depth and above water. I had an article about this.

You write decently. I read with pleasure. Put an avatar more seriously, it does not suit you.

[dauria]

but anti-submarine aircraft generally do not work at high altitude.

Well, what if the search and the drums are different planes? How is target designation obtained
, never mind. This may not be a search plane, but other means, up to buoys.

[Engineer]

Even some handicraft on the clamps.

[mav1971]

Quote: Engineer

Even some handicraft on the clamps.

This "handicraft" makes it possible to make ultra-precise modern weapons from outdated weapons.

Already you with the nickname "Engineer" - should have understood this immediately and quickly assess the potential ...

[sergey2017]

Have you seen how their military jeeps landed? And the clamps are needed in order for the torpedo to detach from its winged part, otherwise it will remain afloat with the winged part and the parachute!

[31rus2]

Dear, there is little information on the technical characteristics, I do not think that everything is as simple as you comment

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Quote: 31rus2

Dear, there is little information on the technical characteristics, I do not think that everything is as simple as you comment

Of course, not everything is so simple, complicated, as with the F-35! But PR will be .......!

[nekot]

"The need for high-altitude weapons arose due to the serious progress that China and Russia are showing in their programs for the development of the nuclear submarine fleet" - our submarines fly higher and higher)))

[Verdun]

Previously, there were options for anti-submarine torpedoes parachuted and rocket-topped - the same Asrok or Malafon. The benefits of a wing layout are not obvious. This is just a delivery vehicle. In any case, everything will depend on the torpedo itself.

[Chisayna]

propeyssor. today 14:15. "my military specialty is directly related to the submarine." Well, if you read all the propassors, it’s written there. That he served in the Black Sea Fleet, but not for long, and then went into science. Well, what did the propassor manage to do on the submarine in a short time? Another Ibrev, made it smarter, jammed his old com-you so that he would not be poked into his own lie. And this one ...

[cap]

Help!
I tremble with fear.

[sergey2017]

This hybrid designed to destroy submarines is nothing new! Americans have been engaged in this hybrid for more than 10 years, but "things are still there"! They wrote about the tests back in 2012, now they have planned a demonstration of the use of the P-8 for next year! Apparently, not everything works out for them!