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"Helicopters of Russia" will present the latest 3 drone

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The Russian Helicopters association will show three new UAVs at the HeliRussia-2016 exhibition - a helicopter, a multi-rotor and a convertoplan, reports press office holding.




“The unmanned helicopter, multikopter and modernized convertoplan will be shown to visitors of the exhibition. The design bureau of BP-Technologies of Russian Helicopters holding company (part of Rostec State Corporation) became the developer of these devices, ”the release says.

It is noted that the helicopter and multikopter “have already successfully passed a series of flight tests. Both models are completely autonomous and are capable of performing tasks according to a predetermined algorithm without operator participation. ”

According to the information, “an unmanned eight-screw multicopter is driven by an electric motor and is able to spend about an hour in the air, carrying 3 kg of payload, its maximum speed will not exceed 60 km / h.”

The helicopter-type UAV, "is also equipped with an electric motor and is capable of rising to a height of up to 2 km from 5 kg of payload, and its maximum speed is up to 120 km per hour." “The design of the helicopter allows the use of a hybrid power plant to increase the time and range of the flight,” the press service added.

As for the convertoplane, compared to the previous model, the glider has changed in the current model.

“Conducting further research led to a change in the glider of the convertoplan. At HeliRussia-2016, viewers will be able to see the tandem plan already in a modernized version with the addition of a carrier wing, ”said BP-Technology CEO Alexander Okhonko, adding that“ changes in the treadmill design contributed to an increase in flight range, as well as improved flight safety at transitional modes of this promising machine. "

“The convertoplane, whose weight is 35 kg, is capable of rising to a height of up to 2 km and carrying up to 6 kg of payload. The range of the UAV’s automatic flight is about 450 km, and it is set in motion by a hybrid power plant, allowing it to accelerate to 140 km / h, ”the message says.

As the press service noted, these UAVs “are designed to meet the challenges associated with monitoring and protecting the environment, taking measures to control the environmental situation, conducting aerial photography, and delivering small loads, such as medicines, to remote areas. Interest in them has already shown oil and gas companies, as well as various Russian departments.
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  1. Altona
    Altona 18 May 2016 17: 12
    -1
    In the photo, as I understand it, a tiltrotor made according to the American Osprey scheme with rotary screws. Take off, turn the screws and fly forward. And what will he do? 6 kg is a lot for a surveillance observer.
    1. FenH
      FenH 18 May 2016 17: 14
      +3
      Quote: Altona
      In the photo, as I understand it, a tiltrotor made according to the American Osprey scheme with rotary screws. Take off, turn the screws and fly forward.

      Well, yes. They train on "cats", you see and build a full-size request
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 18 May 2016 18: 08
        +1
        Quote: FenH
        Well, yes. They train on "cats", you see and build a full-size

        That's what scares me - it’s easier for us to build a complex convertiplane from scratch than a regular, winged UAV.
        1. FenH
          FenH 18 May 2016 18: 13
          0
          Quote: lelikas
          Quote: FenH
          Well, yes. They train on "cats", you see and build a full-size

          That's what scares me - it’s easier for us to build a complex convertiplane from scratch than a regular, winged UAV.


          Sometimes it’s easier to create a new one than to restore a dying one. In the Soviet Union, drones did, but there are no convertibles
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 18 May 2016 18: 52
          +2
          Quote: lelikas
          That's what scares me - it’s easier for us to build a complex convertiplane from scratch than a regular, winged UAV.

          Apparently there are problems with small-sized engines and their appetites, because even enthusiasts in aeromodelling clubs will do the glider, if they wish, not only powerful design bureaus with their capabilities.
          1. mitrich
            mitrich 18 May 2016 20: 30
            +1
            That's for sure, the next model in the style of the pioneer house. Flight - 1 hour. Is this today's reality? Madhouse with these UAVs in Russia.
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    2. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 18 May 2016 17: 16
      +5
      Quote: Altona
      6 kg is a lot for a surveillance observer.


      Just for beer to fly for servicemen.
      1. FenH
        FenH 18 May 2016 17: 19
        +2
        Quote: tiredwithall
        Quote: Altona
        6 kg is a lot for a surveillance observer.


        Just for beer to fly for servicemen.


        And if they give change in a trifle? Maybe there’s not enough power on the way back
        1. tiredwithall
          tiredwithall 18 May 2016 17: 29
          +1
          Use online payment.
          1. FenH
            FenH 18 May 2016 17: 32
            +5
            Quote: tiredwithall
            Use online payment.


            Well, at least they didn’t suggest using a card, otherwise the pin code using the chassis is inconvenient to enter
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      2. Homo
        Homo 18 May 2016 17: 49
        -1
        Quote: tiredwithall
        Just for beer to fly for servicemen.

        Honestly, such statements are already in favor ... and on the board. Nothing to say, be silent. This is not a party where they compete in wit. There are smart thoughts - share, no - keep quiet in a rag. They constantly make claims to articles and comments, aren't you? There are other places to discuss hunting and fishing under the stack! am am am am am
        1. FenH
          FenH 18 May 2016 17: 59
          +4
          Quote: Homo
          Quote: tiredwithall
          Just for beer to fly for servicemen.

          Honestly, such statements are already in favor ... and on the board. Nothing to say, be silent. This is not a party where they compete in wit. There are smart thoughts - share, no - keep quiet in a rag. They constantly make claims to articles and comments, aren't you? There are other places to discuss hunting and fishing under the stack! am am am am am


          Gennady, you yourself can essentially write. The conversation was about the meaning of using this technique in the troops. Komarad called one of them. Do you like it or not. If you have your own thoughts on the application, voice
          1. vv3
            vv3 18 May 2016 18: 10
            -3
            There is no point in using such a technique in the troops. Like toys for children, the same will not work. Go to the store and buy better and cheaper for about 100 thousand rubles, or you can bring such a copter to their exhibition for sure by the criterion of price quality win. Your interlocutor is sorry to waste time on such an obvious comment. And I can ... The article does not even have an author. Of course, who subscribes to such nonsense, one name is worth it!
            1. FenH
              FenH 18 May 2016 18: 15
              +1
              Quote: vv3
              There is no point in using such a technique in the troops. Like toys for children, the same will not work. Go to the store and buy better and cheaper for about 100 thousand rubles, or you can bring such a copter to their exhibition for sure by the criterion of price quality win. Your interlocutor is sorry to waste time on such an obvious comment. And I can ...

              According to indignation, he found time laughing
            2. In100gram
              In100gram 18 May 2016 20: 04
              +1
              Quote: vv3
              There is no point in using such a technique in the troops

              This technique is already in use. And there is a need for it. Especially, I think so, tiltrotors. Takeoff and landing on any patch, and the speed is decent. Small "envelopes" technology allows you to make it reliable.
            3. mitrich
              mitrich 18 May 2016 20: 35
              -1
              I completely agree! Shame and drank money, not a UAV for the sun. In general, we are on our own UAVs at the level of Uganda.
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          2. Homo
            Homo 19 May 2016 04: 04
            -1
            Quote: FenH
            The conversation was about the meaning of the use of this technique in the army.

            Beer flights - military use? Cool! Ingenious! Bravo! belay
        2. lelikas
          lelikas 18 May 2016 18: 10
          +4
          Apparently, this was the reason
    3. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 18 May 2016 17: 46
      +3
      The weight of the Metis-M1 rocket is 6,3 kg. Slightly add the carrying capacity for the guidance equipment and you can muddy the flying ATGM.
      1. FenH
        FenH 18 May 2016 17: 51
        0
        Quote: x.andvlad
        Slightly add the carrying capacity for the guidance equipment and you can make a flying ATGM.

        Something this slightly it turns out too big

        The calculation of the complex consists of two people, one of which carries a N1 bag weighing 25.1kg with a launcher and one container with a missile, and the other N2 pack with two containers with a 28 rocket weighing kg (instead of three for the Metis). When replacing TPK with a rocket on a thermal imager, the weight of the pack decreases to 18.5kg. The deployment of the complex to the combat position is carried out for 10-20, the combat rate of fire reaches 3 rounds per minute.
        wink
        1. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 18 May 2016 19: 13
          +1
          Dear, we do not need packs here. We need one rocket, a guide and the guidance equipment itself in some kind of lightweight body. About half of the weight of the specified pack # 1 is made up of supports for anchoring on the ground. For example, I know perfectly well what pack number 1 in the 9K111 unit is. In "Metis", I am sure, it is the same. Therefore, I think the development of the idea of ​​a flying unmanned ATGM system makes sense if the drone adds a carrying capacity of up to 12-15 kilograms.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 18 May 2016 19: 29
        +4
        Quote: x.andvlad
        The weight of the Metis-M1 rocket is 6,3 kg. Slightly add the carrying capacity for the guidance equipment and you can muddy the flying ATGM.

        Why does he need "Metis"? Autonomous homing submunitions can be delivered, they are lighter and can be extremely effective against armored vehicles, because they hit the weakly protected upper part of tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.
        1. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 18 May 2016 19: 35
          +1
          I agree that these ammunition are effective, but they need to be delivered directly to the target area. With the help of anti-tank systems, targets can be hit by rising above the shelter from a distance of 1,5 - 2 km.
    4. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 May 2016 19: 26
      +4
      not impressed, to be honest, where are the drummers? and the "tolyan" rules there, too suspiciously .... will ruin the office on the models ...
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 19 May 2016 05: 51
        0
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        not impressed, frankly, where are the drummers?

        All kinds of drones are needed to perform various tasks. There will be drummers.
  2. FenH
    FenH 18 May 2016 17: 12
    +15
    Previously, they wrote about this in Young Technics, but now they give out for achievement request
    1. Samen
      Samen 18 May 2016 17: 26
      +1
      UAVs "are designed to solve problems associated with ... the delivery of small loads

      Fugasov ?!
      For some reason, the developers bashfully kept silent about the military use of this technique. But in vain! Now there’s no one shy.
      Good Luck! hi
      1. FenH
        FenH 18 May 2016 17: 28
        +1
        Quote: Semen
        UAVs "are designed to solve problems associated with ... the delivery of small loads

        Fugasov ?!
        For some reason, the developers bashfully kept silent about the military use of this technique. But in vain! Now there’s no one shy.
        Good Luck! hi


        And for more details about landmines please open the topic?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 18 May 2016 17: 36
          +6
          Quote: FenH
          And for more details about landmines please open the topic?

          You take the FAB-250, harness 50 helicopter-type UAVs or 42 convertiplane forward. laughing
          1. FenH
            FenH 18 May 2016 17: 42
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Quote: FenH
            And for more details about landmines please open the topic?

            You take the FAB-250, harness 50 UAVs of a helicopter type or 42 convertiplanes and forward. laughing


            Yeah, and most importantly, to turn it on at full power: I'm a cloud, a cloud, a cloud. I'm not a land mine at all laughing

            This is exactly what I wanted to understand how a mosquito imagines a landmine using the above technology laughing
  3. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 18 May 2016 17: 13
    0
    Hurry to see all the news in the army.
    1. FenH
      FenH 18 May 2016 17: 15
      0
      Quote: RuslanNN
      Hurry to see all the news in the army.


      Of all the above, only a tiltrotor is suitable for the army hi
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 18 May 2016 17: 23
      +3
      Everyone wants to master goz on drones - this is such a shaft of models. The only gap so far with drums is that everything is only in development.
  4. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 18 May 2016 17: 15
    +2
    Everything is fine, but only the letters on the fuselage of the corvette plan (pictured) painfully look like an Anglo-Saxon oil corporation. Need to change. And they will sue, but we don’t need to give them extra money.
    1. FenH
      FenH 18 May 2016 17: 17
      +2
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      Everything is fine, but only the letters on the fuselage of the corvette plane (pictured) painfully look like an Anglo-Saxon oil corporation. Need to change. And then they will sue.


      Letters are Russian, and let British Petroleum bamboo smoke
      1. Mama_Cholli
        Mama_Cholli 18 May 2016 17: 20
        +5
        The letters are Russian, but the English alphabet, where there are similar, has not been canceled. There is nothing to reduce so ...
        pisi:
        But let the petroleum really smoke ... I do not mind.
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  5. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 18 May 2016 17: 20
    +7
    Quote: FenH
    Previously, they wrote about this in Young Technics, but now they give out for achievement request

    "Young technician" is a thing! I wrote it myself, I heard the Japanese did not miss a single issue, and most of the ideas were either finalized or immediately put into production, by the way, the first time I saw a TV in the form of a mobile phone in this magazine was in the 86th year.
    1. FenH
      FenH 18 May 2016 17: 24
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Quote: FenH
      Previously, they wrote about this in Young Technics, but now they give out for achievement request

      "Young technician" is a thing! I wrote it myself, I heard the Japanese did not miss a single issue, and most of the ideas were either finalized or immediately put into production, by the way, the first time I saw a TV in the form of a mobile phone in this magazine was in the 86th year.


      So I'm talking about, and this is called-degradation sad
  6. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 18 May 2016 17: 33
    +1
    For a long time our command ignored the very idea of ​​using drones. It is good that even now an understanding of the need for the army of such technology has come into their starry heads.
  7. Getoetet
    Getoetet 18 May 2016 17: 44
    -4
    you give each soldier a pilotless one! -And maybe you don’t scatter finances at such a time, but concentrate on anything, or else three types of machine guns, 5 types of tanks, and air-to-ground missiles as recently seen in a Yu-tube-not video meet Sov.requirements. He aimed and hold until you hit. Apache helfaire released all 16 and forgot, maybe it’s worth upgrading obsolete weapons? -Too much know-how is overspending
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 18 May 2016 17: 50
      +6
      Quote: Getoetet
      you give each soldier a pilotless one! -And maybe you don’t scatter finances at such a time, but concentrate on anything, or else three types of machine guns, 5 types of tanks, and air-to-ground missiles as recently seen in a Yu-tube-not video meet Sov.requirements. He aimed and hold until you hit. Apache helfaire released all 16 and forgot, maybe it’s worth upgrading obsolete weapons? -Too much know-how is overspending

      Give me the coordinates of your teacher of the Russian language, I will bang her.
      1. cap
        cap 18 May 2016 18: 07
        +2
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Give me the coordinates of your teacher of the Russian language, I will bang her.


        The teacher, moreover, passed the exam, graduated from the institute. Maybe with honors. She has an estimated plan, public workload, and a small salary.
        Sorrow in a word. Forgive the sacrifice of modern education.
        soros

        "Thank you" I must say to our reformers and this gentleman's money. Soros is his name.
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        2. Getoetet
          Getoetet 18 May 2016 18: 36
          -5
          He probably looks like your grandfather in general))) too often do you mention him, probably this person touched you for a living once he is in the heathens with you?
          1. cap
            cap 18 May 2016 19: 01
            +5
            Quote: Getoetet
            He probably looks like your grandfather in general))) too often do you mention him, probably this person touched you for a living once he is in the heathens with you?


            My grandfather looked more decent. During World War I he received two St. George’s crosses from the tsar’s tsar and land for serving the Fatherland.
            He died far from his native land without land and crosses.
            Therefore, I consider your appeal to my ancestors as incorrect behavior, this is at best. hi
        3. cap
          cap 18 May 2016 18: 52
          +1
          Quote: cap
          "Thank you" I must say to our reformers and this gentleman's money. Soros is his name.


          I answer the minus for Soros. 20 thousand English-speaking Russians with higher education (mainly girls), this gentleman was taken to Australia under an agreement on raising the level of education in this country. He received 90 million dollars for this service. The publication of textbooks and the transition to new education standards in the Russian Federation was paid by Fod Soros in Russia. Now he closed it. He shook it and left. This is for the minuser.
        4. Bayonet
          Bayonet 18 May 2016 19: 39
          +1
          Quote: cap
          Forgive the sacrifice of modern education.

          And suddenly there is a muska hiding, for about 40 years .... Victims of the Unified State Exam play in tanchiki or indulge somewhere, the old guard is more and more here. smile
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      3. Getoetet
        Getoetet 18 May 2016 18: 33
        -1
        I would love to, but I’m afraid you don’t cut off the old woman with your Raskolnikov ax))) - I can advise you to bang your teacher with a banging old woman)))
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 18 May 2016 18: 36
          +3
          Quote: Getoetet
          banging your teacher on banging old women)))

          I'm self-taught. smile
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 18 May 2016 18: 06
      +2
      Too much know-how is overspending,
      you can say which one, shoots, there should be a choice.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 18 May 2016 19: 35
      0
      Quote: Getoetet
      Too much know-how is overspending

      A masterpiece! wassat And if you think about it with your head?
  8. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 18 May 2016 17: 57
    +2
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: Getoetet
    you give each soldier a pilotless one! -And maybe you don’t scatter finances at such a time, but concentrate on anything, or else three types of machine guns, 5 types of tanks, and air-to-ground missiles as recently seen in a Yu-tube-not video meet Sov.requirements. He aimed and hold until you hit. Apache helfaire released all 16 and forgot, maybe it’s worth upgrading obsolete weapons? -Too much know-how is overspending

    Give me the coordinates of your teacher of the Russian language, I will bang her.

    The first and third letter in the last word exactly match your intentions?
    Why squander the gene pool ... wink
  9. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 18 May 2016 18: 13
    0
    “A tiltrotor, weighing 35 kg, is capable of rising to a height of 2 km and carrying up to 6 kg of payload. The UAV automatic flight range is about 450 km,

    A dozen such birds in the Donbass, in return for the parasites from the OSCE mission. Equip them with a vertically oriented infrared camera and an F-1 heel in faceted glasses with controlled discharge. On the 3rd night, all the APU would have slept in the barracks and heavy equipment was in storage.
    1. FenH
      FenH 18 May 2016 18: 19
      +2
      Quote: Polite Moose
      “A tiltrotor, weighing 35 kg, is capable of rising to a height of 2 km and carrying up to 6 kg of payload. The UAV automatic flight range is about 450 km,

      A dozen such birds in the Donbass, in return for the parasites from the OSCE mission. Equip them with a vertically oriented infrared camera and an F-1 heel in faceted glasses with controlled discharge. On the 3rd night, all the APU would have slept in the barracks and heavy equipment was in storage.

      Tryndets to all the jackdaws in the district. The speed of the grenade and the height of the reset see completely not taken into account laughing
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 18 May 2016 18: 31
        +4
        Quote: FenH
        Tryndets to all the jackdaws in the district. The speed of the grenade and the height of the reset see completely not taken into account


        To spare the jackdaws and ensure the targeted delivery of the grenade, they put it in a glass and pull out the check. The safety bracket will only be discarded after breaking the glass.
        1. FenH
          FenH 18 May 2016 18: 40
          0
          Quote: Polite Moose
          Quote: FenH
          Tryndets to all the jackdaws in the district. The speed of the grenade and the height of the reset see completely not taken into account


          To spare the jackdaws and ensure the targeted delivery of the grenade, they put it in a glass and pull out the check. The safety bracket will only be discarded after breaking the glass.


          And if the glass does not break, then that glass, then it will fall into children's hands?

          Better two 75mm mines on a parachute system, more efficient
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 18 May 2016 19: 12
            +4
            Quote: FenH
            And if the glass does not break, then that glass, then it will fall into children's hands?

            Better two 75mm mines on a parachute system, more efficient

            It’s better to immediately make a normal UAV and don’t suffer garbage, inventing a bicycle laughing
            In my opinion, there is only one option for such gnomes - reconnaissance and illumination for artillery and armored vehicles launched from other devices, if they can raise the backlight.
            All of these - the delivery of drugs and other garbage - an attempt to cover the civilian market with such a low lifting weight - stupidity, oilmen are such naughty guys except to fly around the track, but there are decent distances there.
            1. Polite Moose
              Polite Moose 18 May 2016 20: 13
              0
              Quote: Corsair
              It’s better to immediately make a normal UAV and don’t suffer garbage, inventing a laughing bike
              In my opinion, there is only one option for such gnomes - reconnaissance and illumination for artillery and armored vehicles launched from other devices, if they can raise the backlight.


              Of course better. There is only one problem. APU artillery positions are often located in residential quarters, in the courtyards of schools and hospitals (hence their frequent impunity). It’s not comme il faut to smash the quarter with a retaliatory artillery strike and give reason to the information explosion, and people are sorry for the locals. And F-1 is the most. Can she have a drunken right-hander from his pocket.
          2. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose 18 May 2016 20: 06
            0
            Quote: FenH
            And if the glass does not break, then that glass, then it will fall into children's hands?


            From 100-150m. won't crash? Then these glasses to strengthen the armored objects must be empty.

            And children's hands are "children" or what? So let him get in and tear them off.
            1. FenH
              FenH 18 May 2016 20: 11
              -1
              Quote: Polite Moose
              Quote: FenH
              And if the glass does not break, then that glass, then it will fall into children's hands?


              From 100-150m. won't crash? Then these glasses to strengthen the armored objects must be empty.


              Looking at what will fall and how. And from 100-150 meters ahead, the drone will fall down laughing
              1. Polite Moose
                Polite Moose 18 May 2016 20: 18
                0
                Quote: FenH
                Looking at what will fall and how. And from 100-150 meters ahead, the drone will fall down


                At night? From 100-150m will get? hmm ...
                Okay, persuaded. 300m Norm?
                1. FenH
                  FenH 18 May 2016 20: 28
                  -1
                  Quote: Polite Moose
                  At night? From 100-150m will get? hmm ...


                  Do not underestimate the snipers of hohlopeytsev, they have serious guns and at night they do not rest


                  Quote: Polite Moose
                  Okay, persuaded. 300m Norm?


                  better than 500 and mines. WWII experience hi
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 19 May 2016 05: 56
          0
          Quote: Polite Elk

          To spare the jackdaws and ensure the targeted delivery of the grenade, they put it in a glass and pull out the check.

          Here give such a free rein, they’ll break all the glasses. Do not touch the glass! Unogo his destiny wassat
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 18 May 2016 19: 02
      0
      Quote: Polite Elk
      A dozen such birds in the Donbass, in return for the parasites from the OSCE mission. Equip them with a vertically oriented infrared camera and an F-1 heel in faceted glasses with controlled discharge.

      laughing How smart are you, if it will be possible to fly at night, it’s quite possible, but if during the day, then they drive it stupidly with the SVD or even with an automatic machine, because from 1-2 km hell you take aim at and an uncontrolled projectile will take xs where the wind is, you will have to fly very low.
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 18 May 2016 20: 04
        0
        Quote: Corsair
        How smart are you, if it will be possible to fly at night, it’s quite possible, but if during the day, then they drive it stupidly with the SVD or even with an automatic machine, because from 1-2 km hell you take aim at and an uncontrolled projectile will take xs where the wind is, you will have to fly very low.


        So I'm talking about night use and I’m talking. Night is the time of activity of Ukrainians. It's dirty, while the OSCE does not see. And you need to sleep at night. That's why I propose an IR camera.
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  11. Getoetet
    Getoetet 18 May 2016 18: 52
    -3
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: Getoetet
    banging your teacher on banging old women)))

    I'm self-taught. smile

    Autodidakt? Zu uebel von dir-doch Schade
  12. Getoetet
    Getoetet 18 May 2016 18: 58
    0
    Quote: cap
    Quote: cap
    "Thank you" I must say to our reformers and this gentleman's money. Soros is his name.


    I answer the minus for Soros. 20 thousand English-speaking Russians with higher education (mainly girls), this gentleman was taken to Australia under an agreement on raising the level of education in this country. He received 90 million dollars for this service. The publication of textbooks and the transition to new education standards in the Russian Federation was paid by Fod Soros in Russia. Now he closed it. He shook it and left. This is for the minuser.

    I did not minus
  13. Getoetet
    Getoetet 18 May 2016 19: 15
    -2
    Quote: cap
    Quote: Getoetet
    He probably looks like your grandfather in general))) too often do you mention him, probably this person touched you for a living once he is in the heathens with you?


    My grandfather looked more decent. During World War I he received two St. George’s crosses from the tsar’s tsar and land for serving the Fatherland.
    He died far from his native land without land and crosses.
    Therefore, I consider your appeal to my ancestors as incorrect behavior, this is at best. hi
    I also think that the comparison of my I and Soros is not correct, but people write that they’re the first to think of it — including names — this is in Any Case, but this doesn’t bother anyone much, especially since I didn’t compare anyone here with anyone anyway in the forefront
  14. Getoetet
    Getoetet 18 May 2016 19: 39
    -1
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: Getoetet
    Too much know-how is overspending

    A masterpiece! wassat And if you think about it with your head?

    Give you a head? -Tip. Unscrew from Pinocchio
  15. Getoetet
    Getoetet 18 May 2016 19: 49
    0
    Quote: Bayonet
    Quote: cap
    Forgive the sacrifice of modern education.

    And suddenly there is a muska hiding, for about 40 years .... Victims of the Unified State Exam play in tanchiki or indulge somewhere, the old guard is more and more here. smile
    Such a sacrifice of the Unified State Examination can be won by Medvedev, just like you said, the victim of the Gadgets, and even the koala is sleeping, but does this government suit you? Are you giving him a new ah! Give him a year to play with him))
    Du-scheiss Schwule-mach deinen Maul stumm bis du es ueberchaubt schaffen kannst. Russische Sau.
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 May 2016 05: 47
    +1
    Well, you need to start small.
    And so, until we begin to develop and build small engines ourselves,
    not see us shock drones. Because everything rests only on them.