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Kiev refuses to pay for gas, which Russia supplied to the territory of Donbass

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The Ukrainian company Naftogaz is spreading a message that it will not pay for gas supplies that Russia carried out in the territory of “special regions of Donetsk and Lugansk regions”. As an argument, Naftogaz claims that the company did not accept Russian gas from Gazprom at those gas measuring stations that are controlled by Kiev. Reports about it RIA News.


At the same time, it is noted that Russia "could falsify reports on gas volumes" directed to the territory of Donbass via the gas measuring stations Platovo and Prokhorovka.

Kiev refuses to pay for gas, which Russia supplied to the territory of Donbass


It should be noted that Ukraine’s debt to the Russian Federation for gas supplies to the LPR and the DPR at Gazprom was summed up with other “gas” debts of Ukraine. At the same time, Russia filed a lawsuit with the Stockholm Arbitration, which announced the completion of the consideration of the case in June of this year. However, it now became known that the consideration of the claim in arbitration would end no earlier than December of 2016.

Kiev’s unwillingness to pay for gas, which Russia sent to the Donbass, under any pretext, once again proves that Kiev does not consider de facto the Donbass as the territory of Ukraine. At the same time, Kiev continues to try to carry out an economic blockade of the region, declaring at any opportunity that it fulfills all its obligations under the Minsk Agreements.
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  2. Nymp
    Nymp 18 May 2016 16: 36
    +27
    Well this is not news, I would be surprised to the contrary. Kiev would pay off its debts!
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 18 May 2016 16: 39
      +8
      Quote: Nymp
      Well this is not news, I would be surprised to the contrary. Kiev would pay off its debts!

      Not long they left gas tyrit.
      Pipelining as part of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project will begin in 2018. On Wednesday, May 18, reports RIA Novosti with reference to the company Nord Stream - 2 AG.
      Earlier, the head of Gazprom’s board of directors, Viktor Zubkov, said that the project was being implemented on schedule.

      As part of the construction, it is planned to carry out two lines of a gas pipeline with a total capacity of 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year. Nord Stream 2 will run from the Russian coast through the Baltic Sea to Germany.

      Against the construction of the pipeline stands Ukraine. When the project is implemented, Kiev will cease to be the main transit country for Russian gas to Europe.
      1. sever.56
        sever.56 18 May 2016 16: 47
        +40
        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/468/dlwb633.png
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 18 May 2016 17: 49
          0
          Let this "Ukrainian" Jewish-oligarchic and American-governor power in the NEDO-state "Ukraine" dry up!
          The lands of the LPR and the DPR, and along with them for 55 years or more, have been leased to foreign multinational companies Shell and Chevron and, as such, do not currently belong to Ukraine. This is exactly the way Nicholas II sold Russian Alaska to the United States for 50 years. Where is Nicholas II? Where is the Russian Empire? Who has Alaska left, for which the US has never paid anything to anyone? As a result of this, the agreement on the sale of Russian Alaska by Nicholas II to the USA is in fact void, and the USA itself no longer exists on its own, since the USA, Canada and Mexico are secretly united by the “world government” into one country, and the population of these countries does not know anything about it .
          Ukraine is bankrupt! Poroshenko, an Anglo-Saxon protege in Ukraine, recently sold the Russian Crimea and the Donetsk region of Erdoganov’s Turkey for only $ 10 million in exchange for helping to “win back” the Russian Crimea. They are trying for the United States. Moreover, the Donetsk region was sold to Erdogan (is it Turkey?) Under foreign Turkish banditry of the Iglovsky property. Groinsman officially confirmed this adventurous sale of Poroshenko.
          It must be assumed that Turkey also seized the Antonov aircraft industry complex in Kiev under a cooperation agreement with Ukraine, most likely, consider it for nothing.
          Also for good reason - not at all by mistake - at Eurovision 2016, a map of Ukraine was presented along with the Russian Crimea and Kuban.
          The USA successfully draws Turkey, with its “Turkish cannon fodder”, and with it all the NATO countries, into the war with Russia for the sake of Anglo-Sankson (USA, Great Britain and the US Federal Reserve) interests.
          What kind of payment for Russian gas from Ukraine for the DPR and LPR, for the Donetsk region, for supposedly Ukrainian Crimea can be discussed at all?

          Therefore, in negotiations with the Ukrainian Naftogaz, one must proceed from these realities.
          Ukraine is bankrupt!
          Ukraine is a colony of the USA!
          And Turkey and NATO countries led by the Pentagon - at best vassals of the USA and England, as well as bankers of the US Federal Reserve and their multinational companies - are arsonists of the 3rd World War.
          1. Pancho
            Pancho 18 May 2016 18: 38
            +4
            Tatyana, you are mistaken with Nikolai II, he has nothing to do with it.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 18 May 2016 19: 40
              +1
              For those who are not aware of the sale by Kiev of the lands of the South-Eastern regions of Ukraine to their patrons - foreign multinational corporations - I present the video of Julietto Chiesa. But I just want to add from myself.
              How much do you need to be a stupidly Russophobic and political provocateur of the Ukrainian singer Jamale, so that in the current historical conditions of the genocide of Russians in Ukraine by the foreign puppet Kiev regime of the civil war in Ukraine with the population on the territory of the LPR and the DPR, it is cynical to sing a tearful song about relocation to Eurovision 2016 USSR Crimean Tatars during WWII ?! By the way, without indicating at the same time that they were forced to resettle and it was RESIDENTLY, not KILLED - all the more without exception - because of their massive cooperation with the German fascists - during the Second World War!

              Giulietto Chiesa East Ukraine contracts SHELL and CHEVRON. Posted Jul 1 2014 year

              Giulietto Chiesa (Italian: Giulietto Chiesa) is a research fellow at the Kennan Institute for Advanced Russian Studies at the Woodrow Wilson International Science Center in Washington, an Italian journalist and politician on the 55-year-old contract for the sale of Ukrainian territories to Chevron and Shell on the sale of land 7884 km3, namely, Donetsk and Lugansk region, for the extraction of shale gas on January 24, 2014.
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 18 May 2016 19: 48
                -1
                Pancho
                Tatyana, you are mistaken with Nikolai II, he has nothing to do with it.

                Paul! Please explain your idea! What do you mean in your objection that Nicholas II was not involved in the agreement on leasing the USA to him for 50 years of Russian Alaska?
                There is a corresponding video on the Internet.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 18 May 2016 19: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: Tatiana
                  What do you mean in your objection that Nicholas II was not involved in the agreement on leasing the USA to him for 50 years of Russian Alaska?
                  There is a corresponding video on the Internet.

                  With Nicholas II wink ?
                  1. Tatyana
                    Tatyana 18 May 2016 21: 36
                    +3
                    Dear Pavel and forum users! I apologize to you! I am guilty!
                    I checked myself, and moreover, due to inattention, it did not even immediately "reach" me! fool Something I today because of the pots and cooking in the kitchen in the comments out of shape! crying Ha! Happenes! laughing Well, of course, Alexander II! drinks
                    You are great for reading the comments on the forum attentively and immediately noticed my accidental "blooper"!

                    I could not find the video I needed from memory on this topic. Well, here are some interesting others for the same reason.

                    Lies about selling Alaska! Posted Jan 4 2013 year

                    A lawsuit has been filed for the return of Russia to Alaska. News today 02 Russia takes Alaska News Today Published: Jun 06. 2014 year
                  2. vlad_vlad
                    vlad_vlad 19 May 2016 01: 06
                    +2
                    "The problem is that all quotes published on the Internet are believed unconditionally" V. I. Lenin
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 19 May 2016 06: 49
                      -2
                      vlad_vlad
                      "The problem is that all quotes published on the Internet are believed unconditionally" V. I. Lenin

                      Dear vlad_vlad! This quote is fake. IN AND. Lenin never wrote this and could not write at all, since he was born
                      April 22, 1870 and died on January 21, 1924. The Internet did not yet exist. You have been deceived.
                      1. vlad_vlad
                        vlad_vlad 19 May 2016 20: 08
                        +2
                        Dear Vlad_Vlad! This quote is fake. IN AND. Lenin never wrote this and could not write at all, since he was born
                        April 22, 1870 and died on January 21, 1924. The Internet did not yet exist. You have been deceived.


                        And then I ...
                        I felt that something was not right here lol
          2. Weyland
            Weyland 19 May 2016 02: 50
            +2
            Quote: Tatiana
            Nicholas II sold for a 50-year lease Russian Alaska USA


            Why not Catherine? laughing
            Actually, Alaska was sold by Alexander the 2nd one year before birth Nicholas 2nd ...
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        2. arane
          arane 18 May 2016 18: 14
          +2
          Quote: sever.56
          http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2016/468/dlwb633.png


          Of course from the position of an orderly.
          Very symptomatic.
          Nick - Resident of the Earth, Ukrainian flag wassat
      2. razmik72
        razmik72 18 May 2016 16: 59
        +7
        Quote: RUSS
        Quote: Nymp
        Well this is not news, I would be surprised to the contrary. Kiev would pay off its debts!

        Not long they left gas tyrit.
        Pipelining as part of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project will begin in 2018. On Wednesday, May 18, reports RIA Novosti with reference to the company Nord Stream - 2 AG.
        Earlier, the head of Gazprom’s board of directors, Viktor Zubkov, said that the project was being implemented on schedule.

        As part of the construction, it is planned to carry out two lines of a gas pipeline with a total capacity of 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year. Nord Stream 2 will run from the Russian coast through the Baltic Sea to Germany.

        Against the construction of the pipeline stands Ukraine. When the project is implemented, Kiev will cease to be the main transit country for Russian gas to Europe.

        Not only Ukraine is opposed to the construction of Nord Stream 2, but a whole bunch of countries, from Italy to Poland. And your message about the start of construction in 2018 brings to mind the well-known Eastern proverb:
        "Either the donkey dies, or the padishah."
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        2. RUSS
          RUSS 18 May 2016 17: 16
          +5
          Quote: razmik72
          And your message about the start of construction in 2018 brings to mind the well-known eastern proverb: "Either the donkey dies, or the padishah."

          Everything is on schedule, wait.
          Based on your logic, the bridge to the Crimea is also not worth the wait? Since it is planned to be commissioned in 2018.
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 18 May 2016 17: 30
            +3
            Quote: RUSS
            Quote: razmik72
            And your message about the start of construction in 2018 brings to mind the well-known eastern proverb: "Either the donkey dies, or the padishah."

            Everything is on schedule, wait.
            Based on your logic, the bridge to the Crimea is also not worth the wait? Since it is planned to be commissioned in 2018.

            The construction of the Crimean bridge depends on Russia, but with the gas pipeline, no. In these two construction sites, only the dates are the same.
      3. Altona
        Altona 18 May 2016 17: 26
        +5
        Quote: RUSS
        Against the construction of the pipeline stands Ukraine. When the project is implemented, Kiev will cease to be the main transit country for Russian gas to Europe.

        ---------------------
        I think that Kiev by that time will cease to be Ukraine.
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 18 May 2016 17: 39
          0
          Quote: Altona
          Quote: RUSS
          Against the construction of the pipeline stands Ukraine. When the project is implemented, Kiev will cease to be the main transit country for Russian gas to Europe.

          ---------------------
          I think that Kiev by that time will cease to be Ukraine.

          Many on this site thought to take Kiev in a maximum of a week and it was not humor, I went to the site and read. It was only 2 years ago.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 18 May 2016 17: 56
            +7
            Quote: razmik72
            Many on this site thought to take Kiev in a maximum of a week and it was not humor, I went to the site and read. It was only 2 years ago.

            Well, if Moscow wanted, then it would have taken.
            1. razmik72
              razmik72 18 May 2016 18: 00
              -2
              Quote: Egoza
              Quote: razmik72
              Many on this site thought to take Kiev in a maximum of a week and it was not humor, I went to the site and read. It was only 2 years ago.

              Well, if Moscow wanted, then it would have taken.

              Wanting and doing are two different things.
          2. PHANTOM-AS
            PHANTOM-AS 18 May 2016 19: 04
            +5
            Honestly, I already got fed up with this story with the outskirts, every day there’s a chatter on a box, in the internet again, so-and-so!
            I have a steady impression that all this tryndezh for internal use here and there. And among themselves, those in power vouch and kiss passionately, damn it.
            Our oligarchs feel confident in potassium, and the local ones drive us perfectly, and all together ride in Courchevel and the Promised Lands, and while drinking together laugh at the "plebs".
            Otherwise, what, one wonders, the bolt was recognized as the "bloody fascist" parashka?
            Why didn’t they take away from Bandera the territory from Kharkov to Transnistria?
            Why push Donbass back to kakliya, after allowing it to soak several tens of thousands of Russians on both sides?
            I remember the boilers, then a fun trip to Mariupol, people waving Russian flags all over the southeast and refuse to understand the further course of events!
            What was our equal partner for what to get sanctions for the Crimea or for all at once?
            If someone objects to mattresses that could interfere, I’ll send him to hell, because, as long as we have a Soviet nuclear club, not even the most frost-bitten mattress would rush to help the parashka.
            And since they didn’t do anything, it’s not a damn thing, to tell what kind of pancake is bad. And I don’t give a damn about gas wars of thick rooks, because this gas is not mine and not national, but Gazprom and transnational corporations, the truth must be looked into the eyes. As well as 80% of pharmacology, 80% of food waste belongs to trans.
            And explain to me at least someone, how do our embezzlers and oligarchs differ from Kaklov’s? Than???
            maybe we have no problems of our own?
          3. Altona
            Altona 18 May 2016 19: 37
            -1
            Quote: razmik72
            Many on this site thought to take Kiev in a maximum of a week and it was not humor, I went to the site and read. It was only 2 years ago.

            -----------------------
            We occupied the whole Crimea in three days. Some fucking Kiev would have surrendered in the same way. I understand that there is a percentage of stoned ragul fascists. But a normal fighter can shut up those Nazi throats in 5 minutes, and in 10 minutes they will be volunteers in putting things in order. I am exaggerating, of course, but then there was simply not enough political will. And to be honest, our oligarchs still want to "come to an agreement" with the state ones and will not understand the fact that they don’t need them. But they are stupid and stupid in Africa. The troops would have been brought in, no one would have uttered a word. And so neither two nor one and a half. We got the sanctions, but the people still suffer.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 18 May 2016 19: 50
              +1
              Quote: Altona
              Some kind of fucking Kiev would have surrendered in the same way.

              I wouldn’t just give up, and you would be greeted with bread with salt, as a liberator!
              Only then did the USSR collapse to give reunion.
              Comrades, just imagine what industrial and human potential would be if Russia, Belarus and Ukraine were united !!! 200 million people, completely self-sufficient, both in territories and in resources!
              1. atalef
                atalef 18 May 2016 19: 56
                -1
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                I wouldn’t just give up, I’d be greeted with bread and salt

                Where such confidence ?
                Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                Comrades, just imagine what industrial and human potential would be if Russia, Belarus and Ukraine were united !!! 200 million people, completely self-sufficient, both in territories and in resources!

                And now you are not self-sufficient either in territory or in resources?
                1. PHANTOM-AS
                  PHANTOM-AS 18 May 2016 20: 14
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  Where such confidence ?

                  Check out two years ago.
                  Quote: atalef
                  And now you are not self-sufficient either in territory or in resources?

                  The brotherly people must live together and the second would not break economic and scientific-technical integration.
                  Quote: atalef
                  And why the hell do you Kiev?

                  And why the hell do you Golan?
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 18 May 2016 20: 18
                    0
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    Check out two years ago.

                    Why not a 70-year-old, how did they fight for the Nazis?
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    The brotherly people must live together and the second would not break economic and scientific-technical integration.

                    No, you didn’t answer the question (I don’t think about fraternal peoples at all now) - so, is Russia not self-sufficient in terms of territory and resources?
                    Quote: PHANTOM-AS
                    And why the hell do you Golan?

                    Vitya, you’re neither a Jew to answer a question with a question.
                    So again the question is, why the heck is Kiev for you?
                    1. PHANTOM-AS
                      PHANTOM-AS 19 May 2016 00: 01
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      Is Russia not self-sufficient in territory and resources?

                      absolutely self-sufficient! there is one problem - the power is not that (just do not ask what is needed)
                      Quote: atalef
                      Vitya, you’re neither a Jew to answer a question with a question.

                      Sanya, live with wolves ... laughing
                      Quote: atalef
                      So again the question is, why the heck is Kiev for you?

                      The division itself was artificial. I do not need Kiev as a vassal, I want to see Kiev, if not within the framework of the Union State, then at least equal-friendly. You can live completely calmly according to the European Union analogy.
                      The fact is that, united, we will become together multiple times stronger in every sense, and then from the regional state-to become geopolitical.
                      What are you doing with this? Are you afraid of our unity?
                      Well, why the hell are you Golan heights?
              2. Lens
                Lens 18 May 2016 21: 15
                0
                I think you live in a somewhat illusory world ... I would not like to draw parallels, but history has seen "liberators" more than once. As a rule, they ended up badly ...
            2. atalef
              atalef 18 May 2016 19: 55
              0
              Quote: Altona
              We took the whole Crimea in three days. Some kind of fucking Kiev would have surrendered in the same way.

              And why the hell do you Kiev?
              Quote: Altona
              But a normal fighter

              yes
            3. Cat man null
              Cat man null 18 May 2016 20: 00
              +1
              Quote: Altona
              We took the whole Crimea in three days

              Not in three days, more. And then, what’s called - find three differences:

              - Crimea (mainly) was originally pro-Russian. Ukraine - no, and the percentage of anti-Russian people there has grown a lot after the "sail" of the Crimea
              - Russian troops were already in Crimea. Formally, the "introduction of troops" was initially framed as a strengthening of the grouping of Russian troops in Crimea (I do not remember exactly the limit allowed at that time, but what was originally there was less than this limit). The introduction of troops into the territory of Ukraine could not be interpreted in any way, except as "aggression against a sovereign state"
              - You can argue about the legality of the Crimean referendum on independence. And it's good to argue because in Ukraine it would not have been possible to arrange everything so "beautifully". And then - occupation is occupation ..

              Quote: Altona
              a normal fighter can plug these Nazi throats in 5 minutes, and after 10 minutes they will be voluntary assistants in putting things in order

              - after Crimea, people from Ukraine called me (not "stoned fascists" at all, believe me), and they were interested in why we attacked them
              - with a real attack on Ukraine, the percentage of such people .. would increase, you would be surprised, and then -
              - one would have to deal not only (and not so much) with "stubborn fascists", but with an angry and extremely anti-Russian population. Is this what you wanted?

              Quote: Altona
              They would send troops, no one would pickle. And so neither two nor one and a half

              - stop hiding kidamst .. marshal ..

              Quote: Altona
              Sanctions received, but people still suffer

              - if you are talking about LDNR, then on 07.05.2014 Putin turned to the local leaders with a request (recommendation) to postpone the referendum
              - there was an idea to prepare the ground for LDNR talks with Kiev and solve everything somehow amicably
              - the leaders of LDNR ignored this request, and 12.05.14/XNUMX/XNUMX also expressed a desire to join the Russian Federation (!!!)
              - Well, they got war first, and then a full-fledged war

              That's something like request
              1. Altona
                Altona 18 May 2016 22: 44
                +1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - after Crimea, people from Ukraine called me (not "stoned fascists" at all, believe me), and they were interested in why we attacked them

                ------------------
                If you believe the propaganda, then you can again sign up for the White Brotherhood and draw Mavrodi on the icon. No one throws hats. In Germany, after April 30, 1945, the number of Nazis also fell sharply. Where have you gone? request
                1. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 19 May 2016 11: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Altona
                  If you believe the propaganda, you can again sign up for the White Brotherhood and draw Mavrodi on the icon

                  - I do not quite understand why you said it
                  - about Ukraine - they believed propaganda there in 2014, they still believe today
                  - Russians and the Russian Federation are seriously considered the occupiers there. Not all, but very many (just ordinary people, not "fascists" at all)
                  - therefore, to climb now to "conquer" Ukraine is suicide

                  I think so yes

                  Quote: Altona
                  In Germany, after April 30, 1945, the number of Nazis also fell sharply. Where have you gone?

                  - partly escaped, partly caught, partly hid in the cracks
                  - and it is not necessary, IMHO, to compare Germany in 45 with Ukraine in 2014 - 2016. Germany in '45 has already "gorged" with a full spoon. Ukraine - not yet

                  That's something like request
          4. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 18 May 2016 20: 51
            +1
            Quote: razmik72
            Quote: Altona
            Quote: RUSS
            Against the construction of the pipeline stands Ukraine. When the project is implemented, Kiev will cease to be the main transit country for Russian gas to Europe.

            ---------------------
            I think that Kiev by that time will cease to be Ukraine.

            Many on this site thought to take Kiev in a maximum of a week and it was not humor, I went to the site and read. It was only 2 years ago.

            Have you tried? wink
            1. Lens
              Lens 18 May 2016 21: 19
              -2
              And you have little sanction Zakrym and Donbass? ....
              1. PHANTOM-AS
                PHANTOM-AS 19 May 2016 00: 05
                0
                Quote: Lens
                And you have little sanction Zakrym and Donbass? ....

                Bullshit is, not sanctions!
                The USSR lived its entire existence under sanctions in much more difficult times.
      4. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 18 May 2016 20: 20
        -1
        Quote: RUSS
        Not long they left gas tyrit.
        Pipe-laying work under the Nord Stream - 2 gas pipeline project will begin in 2018
        As if.. repeat
        Azerbaijan will press Gazprom in Italy
        Gazprom may lose half of the Italian market
        The trans-adriatic gas pipeline (TAP), which began to build Europe, will allow 10 bcm from Azerbaijan to be supplied to the south of the EU, primarily to Italy. Thus, the Europeans are trying to diversify the sources of supply of blue fuel. As a result, Gazprom may lose almost half of its share in the Italian market. This was announced on Tuesday by the official representative of the European Commission Margarathis Schinas. According to him, by the 2019 – 2020 years, Europe expects to receive billions of cubic meters of gas per year through this 10 pipe. The trans-adriatic gas pipeline is part of the so-called Southern Gas Corridor, which combines several gas pipeline projects intended for deliveries from the Caspian region to Europe, bypassing Russia. In particular, we are talking about Azerbaijani gas from the Shah-Deniz-2 field (it is Azerbaijan that plans to supply 10 billion cubic meters to Europe).
        Rusenergy partner Mikhail Krutikhin points out that Gazprom in Europe is perceived as a political tool of Moscow and therefore, with every opportunity to diversify supplies, Europe is trying to do it.
        "Therefore, the volumes supplied by Gazprom, or at least a part of them, will most likely be ousted from the Italian market," Krutikhin warns.
        http://www.gazeta.ru/business/2016/05/17/8248499.shtml
    3. cniza
      cniza 18 May 2016 16: 40
      +8
      De facto recognize that Donbass is not Ukraine.
      1. jaguar
        jaguar 18 May 2016 17: 15
        +7
        De facto recognize that Donbass is not Ukraine. It follows from this that any shelling should be perceived as striking at a sovereign state with all the consequences ..... hi
      2. Lens
        Lens 18 May 2016 21: 23
        -1
        That is, according to your logic, if the USSR did not pay salaries (and also did not carry out utility bills and social payments) to citizens remaining in the occupied territory in 1941, he also de facto recognized Belarus (Ukraine, Moldova, the western regions of the Russian Federation) as Germany?
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    5. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 18 May 2016 16: 41
      +6
      Kiev’s reluctance, under any pretext, to pay for the gas that Russia sent to the Donbass, once again suggests that de facto Kiev does not consider Donbass the territory of Ukraine.

      Kiev is simply a toad strangling that Russia did not allow the establishment of a gas blockade of the Donbass.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 18 May 2016 17: 52
        +5
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Kiev is simply a toad strangling that Russia did not allow the establishment of a gas blockade of the Donbass.

        Well yes. At home, they simply turn off gas for the population for a week, two, or a month. And here - a bummer.
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 May 2016 16: 43
      +4
      Well, Naftogaz agrees that the DPR and LPR are not Hohland.
      1. Nymp
        Nymp 18 May 2016 17: 07
        +6
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Well, Naftogaz agrees that the DPR and LPR are not Hohland.

        No one is looking for logic in the statements of dill politicians. What is the statement about the Eurovision contest in Crimea!
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 May 2016 18: 53
          +1
          Quote: Nymp
          No one is already looking for logic in the statements of dill politicians

          Well, let’s suppose I’m looking for simple logic, does the DNR population pay for gas?
          in my opinion it would be logical if the one who collects money from the people for gas, pays for Russian gas supplies to the DNR - it seems to be logically correct, but what to demand with Naftogaz if it does not collect money for gas in the DNR, or I I don’t understand something?
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 18 May 2016 21: 01
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            if he don’t collect money for gas in the DNR, or I don’t understand something?

            But you know, I, would not be categorical here.
            I will explain why. Kiev buys coal from the DPR from the Akhmetovsky mines. Akhmetov receives money for coal, pays zp to residents of Donetsk and taxes in the DPR, and also pays taxes to Kiev. Apparently, neither of them would touch. Those. working mines in the DPR are not nationalized. I was surprised when I found out, but it is. (unless of course, disinfect)
            On this issue, where the money collected from the population goes, remains open.
            But in this case it is clear that we donated this gas. Naftogaz will not pay, but suing here is a dead number. They really do not have access to metering devices.
            1. atalef
              atalef 18 May 2016 21: 08
              0
              Quote: Observer 33
              But in this case it is clear that we donated this gas. Naftogaz will not pay, but suing here is a dead number. They really do not have access to metering devices.

              No, the question is completely different.
              If Dobassgaz collects money for gas consumption, why doesn't he pay Russia?
              1. 33 Watcher
                33 Watcher 18 May 2016 22: 05
                0
                Quote: atalef
                If Dobassgaz collects money for gas consumption, why doesn't he pay Russia?

                Well, for these, most likely, the collection is close to zero. And what does Naftagaz have to do with it, I don’t understand ...
    7. vlad66
      vlad66 18 May 2016 17: 07
      +14
      Quote: Nymp
      Kiev would pay off its debts!

      Well, is it possible to pay in kind, they already beg for money for next year's Eurovision, Petruha Potroshenko has not asked for money from aliens yet, and that’s because he can’t catch it.
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    9. siberalt
      siberalt 18 May 2016 18: 03
      +2
      Kuev owes everything, interest drops. The next generation alone will pay the IMF debts for Ukraine.
    10. atalef
      atalef 18 May 2016 20: 14
      +2
      Quote: Nymp
      Well this is not news, I would be surprised to the contrary. Kiev would pay off its debts!

      A strange entity called Donbassgaz
      Here is her official site
      http://dnr-online.ru/v-gk-donbassgaz-nachali-rabotat-sluzhby-organizacii-i-obslu
      zhivaniya-klientov /
      She sells gas, serves customers, etc. etc.
      As I understand it, gas to Donbass comes directly from Russia, bypassing the Nvftogaz system.
      Donbassgaz collecting money from the population for the use of gas gives them where ???????????
      I don’t understand something, maybe, but dogma tells me that Donbassgaz should pay Russia, for gas delivered directly to the DPR.
      And what side is Naftagaz here?
      Can someone explain where the leadership of the DPR is giving money for gas received from Russia?
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 18 May 2016 21: 08
        0
        Quote: atalef
        And what side is Naftagaz here?

        Not by any, if only Donbassgaz, not his daughter.
        I wrote to you above, something. There, without a pint, you won’t understand who pays to whom.
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 May 2016 21: 10
          0
          Quote: Observer 33
          Not by any, if only Donbassgaz, not his daughter.
          I wrote to you above, something. There, without a pint, you won’t understand who pays to whom.

          But the conversation is none of this. the conversation that Russia is demanding money from Nftogaz (which really has nothing to do with this gas) and does not even remember Donbassgaz.
          belay
          1. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 18 May 2016 21: 49
            0
            So why? My question is the same? Well, do not troll, after all ..? Or?
            Maybe what kind of agreement exists between Donbassgaz and Nafta? request
            I’m only sure that Gazprom will not wait for money laughing
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 18 May 2016 23: 34
              +1
              Until 18.02.2015, NJSC Naftogaz of Ukraine was the gas supplier throughout Donbass - for this period and the whole fuss... Having turned off the taps in the direction of the DPR and LPR, the Ukrainian side withdrew itself, now Donbassgaz pays Gazprom and there are no questions.
      2. Altona
        Altona 18 May 2016 22: 49
        0
        Quote: atalef
        She sells gas, serves customers, etc. etc.
        As I understand it, gas to Donbass comes directly from Russia, bypassing the Nvftogaz system.
        Donbassgaz collecting money from the population for the use of gas gives them where ??

        -----------------------
        How was the agreement with Gazprom written? We have not seen this document. Why drive water in vain? There is a contract, the recipients, terms of delivery and payment are spelled out there. Everything! If subcontractors are registered, then another matter. I see no reason to suck on this topic.
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 18 May 2016 16: 36
    +5
    They want us to take the Donbass?
  4. FenH
    FenH 18 May 2016 16: 37
    +7
    и

    And that says it all
  5. yahont
    yahont 18 May 2016 16: 38
    +12
    It has long been asking for a decision to conclude direct agreements with Donetsk and Lugansk for the supply of gas to those areas of the regions that are not controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 18 May 2016 18: 09
      +1
      And with whom and how to agree on the supply of gas to LDNR, if we do not recognize them as entities - carriers of legal relations? Unless through Abkhazia (they were recognized there) laughing But from them there is no gas pipeline to the Donbass.
      1. yahont
        yahont 18 May 2016 20: 53
        0
        Well, for example, create a company, "Abkhazmezhregiongaz", and negotiate on its behalf☺
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 18 May 2016 23: 09
          0
          yahont
          It has long been asking for a decision to conclude direct agreements with Donetsk and Lugansk for the supply of gas to those areas of the regions that are not controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
          While the DPR and LPR are not recognized as legal entities, they do not have international law on their own to conclude agreements with other countries.
  6. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 18 May 2016 16: 55
    +4
    Has anyone expected anything else?
  7. tatarin_ru
    tatarin_ru 18 May 2016 16: 55
    +6
    those. Ukraine officially refuses these areas and gives them the full right to conclude agreements directly as independent republics.
    And so it is becoming commonplace that the Ukrainian authorities refuse to pay or simply can not - nothing.
  8. AlexTires
    AlexTires 18 May 2016 16: 57
    +8
    This is a territorial issue. If you consider your territory, even if it is occupied, then you pay all its bills. If you don’t want to pay, then don’t talk about "united Ukraine".
    In my opinion, in order not to torment yourself with negotiations with inadequacies, it’s worth taking all these territories for yourself, all the same, LDNR is unlikely to be able to pay such amounts themselves, and in fact they are in the maintenance of Russia ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 18 May 2016 17: 55
      +4
      Quote: AlexTires
      If you consider your territory, even if it is occupied, then you pay all its bills. If you don’t want to pay, then don’t talk about "united Ukraine".

      Yes, they do not pay pensions there, and all are maternity and preferential. If they do not shout "glory to Ukraine", they are sitting without money.
  9. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 18 May 2016 16: 58
    +6
    Before the Maidan, they paid with scandals. All the time they were looking for reasons to delay payment or underpay. There is such a reason for otmazatsya, such as "occupation", "aggression", etc.
  10. iliya87
    iliya87 18 May 2016 16: 59
    +5
    They can’t pay for theirs!
  11. opus
    opus 18 May 2016 17: 06
    +4
    Quote: author
    Kiev refuses to pay for gas, which Russia supplied to the territory of Donbass

    then add, everything has already been said:
    kakly raguli, ukrainians ...

  12. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 18 May 2016 17: 07
    +4
    The sensation didn’t work out ... Everything follows a predictable scenario written by the environment of a wild black monkey.
  13. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 18 May 2016 17: 09
    +3
    Thus, it indirectly confirms that Donbass is not part of the so-called Ukraine, which unleashed genocide and civil war in Donbass. The decaying semblance of a state does not have the right to claim the Russian Lands with a historically Russian population. Attempts to forcefully capture and physically destroy the Russians in the Donbass ended in boilers: Ilovaisky, Izvarinsky and later Debaltsevsky. It is all the more regrettable that RUSSIANS and Slavs died in the conflict on both sides. To the delight of the impudent Saxon hyenas who handed out cookies on the Maidan in Kiev. In everyday life, the situation is similar to when "ukromuzh" is an alcoholic, a drug addict and a downcast cock. She does not want to let her "ex" go to her new husband. Zhinka intelligent, hard-working and containing this misunderstanding "Ukraine". Not in the sense of the Ukrainians, as a South Slavic society, but in the sense of who and who, who now rules them from Kiev .... Although .... And "Russophobia" and "Nazi exclusiveness" did not come from scratch .... This Nazi Chiriy matured for a long time. Only here: "With such conceit and ambition, one must be an underground millionaire and not a soviet rogue ukropobyushka" (c). O.S. B-M, Benderbey, spoke almost like that. Either you have to walk on your own and not bend your fingers at the one given by the pimp for betrayal and perversion in every sense. Although historically - betrayed and given away for inexpensive. More often just for promises, as now. Let them ride until they grow wiser!
  14. oxotnuk86
    oxotnuk86 18 May 2016 17: 10
    +4
    And what is the proposal - to supply gas to Kiev through Lugansk and Donetsk. Maybe then the Minsk agreements will be fulfilled, because every shot of Bandera’s directly into the gas pipe. Then the EU will hear.
  15. Damask
    Damask 18 May 2016 17: 13
    +1
    And the bottom line is, anyone would do that
  16. masiya
    masiya 18 May 2016 17: 19
    +2
    They kaklam all the "dew of God" in their eyes, whatever happens, then everything is bad for them, and Novorossia is generally a crisis of the Uropsky faith, what kind of gas, what kind of DPR and LPR, we know nothing and see nothing ...
  17. kolexxx
    kolexxx 18 May 2016 17: 23
    +5
    The points of the agreement indicate the points of reception and metering of the volume of gas at the border and there are "Prokhorovka" and "Platovo". Gazprom regularly fulfills the contract, and the fact that the other side is not able to control the gas metering station on its territory is the problem of the other side, but not Russia ... STOPUDOVO Ukraine will lose in court ... there is arbitration, not The Hague .. .all snot are not taken into account
  18. Getoetet
    Getoetet 18 May 2016 17: 27
    +3
    Duck and they refuse to pay their debts ... They all who should have, all forgiven. And do not take a penny from them through a judge or through collectors. All one of them’s gas to the end user was cheaper than us !!! - In the course of which VP indulged nezalezhnoye.And they all maaaalo-type like give us gas, we will take it and for the fact that we take gas give us more money than we try- we consume gas and even steal
  19. cap
    cap 18 May 2016 17: 39
    +3
    At the same time, Kiev continues to try to implement an economic blockade of the region, declaring at any opportunity that it is fulfilling all its obligations under the Minsk agreements.
    But in general, that draws on the article Petyunya.
  20. konvalval
    konvalval 18 May 2016 17: 43
    +4
    So it doesn't recognize it as its own, it's time to "annex" it.
  21. VladimS
    VladimS 18 May 2016 17: 54
    +4
    And someone here, and even more so in the leadership of the concern, thought it would be different?
    To mine naivety as well as faith in the Kivan junta, for a long time no one should have.
    They will ruin it to the base and hungry fainting people on the streets and run away. Like, fleeing a popular rebellion. Catch Russia nenku .. feed, drink and restore now. Stressing and trimming himself in everything.
    And we laugh ... from far away looking at it.
  22. _my opinion
    _my opinion 18 May 2016 18: 11
    +4
    It is noted that Russia "could falsify reports on gas volumes" sent to the territory of Donbass through the gas measuring stations "Platovo" and "Prokhorovka"

    from psychology it is known that others are accused of what the one who accuses himself would have done ...

    I'm not quite in the subject ... the photo is scary ... but we must remember this ...

    Kiev, September 1941. Babi Yar. Mother, a second before her death, presses her baby to herself. The man in the SS uniform who will kill her and the child in a second or two is not German. He is Ukrainian, more precisely - a native of Western Ukraine, from Zhytomyr. He served in the Galicia division, and since 1943 participated in the work of the Einsatz groups. Where did such details come from? Almost from himself. This photo was taken by partisans along with documents and an army badge. They seized when they searched his body. Monstrous photography will be one of the most eloquent witnesses of the victims of Nazism at the Nuremberg trials.
    1. Lens
      Lens 18 May 2016 21: 51
      0
      The photo is really scary. I've seen so many. Where? In Kiev. I live in Kiev. And in Babi Yar I happen ... Rarely, but sometimes I do. And in the museum. And to you, mister good - a minus. Because you are doing just an unverified provocative throw.
      Read your own message - "I served in the Galicia division. It was created in 1943! And the shooting began in the fall of 41 ... In 1941 there were no Ukrainian SS units. There were units in the Abwehr, policemen ... But in the elite troops The non-Aryans had not yet been accepted! Only then all sorts of Latvian, Estonian, Ukrainian, Chechen and Cossack battalions with lightning in their collar were used.
      You can not be lazy - dial in Yandex who shot in the Babi Yar. If you skip the Russian Wikipedia with its "exact", whether one hundred ... or one hundred and fifty thousand shot, and scroll further, you will find articles in which it is indicated that in addition to Jews, Gypsies, Soviet prisoners of war, there were also shot at the UKRAINIAN COMPANIES OF NATIONALISTS! How. Its means the same yes ...
      You should be ashamed of sowing discord among fraternal peoples! Do not repeat unverified nonsense. Believe the citizen of Kiev.
  23. KRIG55
    KRIG55 18 May 2016 18: 20
    +2
    Gazprom needs to read Twelve Chairs more often: money in the morning - chairs in the evening (that is, gas).
  24. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 18 May 2016 18: 22
    0
    Borze, because our cabinet looks more like a box with "Chinese dummies".

    An example is Syria, where there was a clear position and clear leadership of GDP, Shoigu. Result - everyone agreed with all our actions and continuations and conditions. And do not cross!
  25. armata37
    armata37 18 May 2016 18: 35
    +1
    Russia supplied gas to its own people, in spirit and blood, so that they could live a less or less normal life. Ukraine, which does not care about these citizens, for which they are terrorists and separatists, refused to pay. Everything is logical. We will take care of our people!
  26. Mentat
    Mentat 18 May 2016 18: 57
    0
    Quote: razmik72
    Quote: RUSS
    Quote: Nymp
    Well this is not news, I would be surprised to the contrary. Kiev would pay off its debts!

    Not long they left gas tyrit.
    Pipelining as part of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project will begin in 2018. On Wednesday, May 18, reports RIA Novosti with reference to the company Nord Stream - 2 AG.
    Earlier, the head of Gazprom’s board of directors, Viktor Zubkov, said that the project was being implemented on schedule.

    As part of the construction, it is planned to carry out two lines of a gas pipeline with a total capacity of 55 billion cubic meters of gas per year. Nord Stream 2 will run from the Russian coast through the Baltic Sea to Germany.

    Against the construction of the pipeline stands Ukraine. When the project is implemented, Kiev will cease to be the main transit country for Russian gas to Europe.

    Not only Ukraine is opposed to the construction of Nord Stream 2, but a whole bunch of countries, from Italy to Poland. And your message about the start of construction in 2018 brings to mind the well-known Eastern proverb:
    "Either the donkey dies, or the padishah."

    Everything is clear about Poland, but things are not so simple with Italy - Italy is unhappy with Germany’s large share in the project. But France, Austria, Germany and the Netherlands are very happy. These states, in fact, make up the substantial part of the European economy. So the “bouquets” may smell or deceive, but that will not change anything.

    By the way, what fragrant bouquet did you mention, can you decrypt?
  27. Balagan
    Balagan 18 May 2016 19: 20
    0
    Why were the lads blown away? Donbas - all Ukraine, then grandmother on the table ... smile
    Or let them redraw the cards.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 18 May 2016 19: 23
      0
      Quote: booth
      Why were the lads blown away?

      there are no lads, that poets rule fellow
  28. AleksPol
    AleksPol 18 May 2016 20: 22
    0
    Tired of reading about eviction. My father-in-law went through the war from 1941 to 1945 two orders of Glory, the Crimean Tatar. He returned from the war in 1945 and did not find anyone. Found loved ones in Uzbekistan. And the man was not embittered by anyone. Until the last ball joker and ringleader
  29. monahh27
    monahh27 18 May 2016 20: 24
    +3
    Quote: _my opinion
    It is noted that Russia "could falsify reports on gas volumes" sent to the territory of Donbass through the gas measuring stations "Platovo" and "Prokhorovka"

    from psychology it is known that others are accused of what the one who accuses himself would have done ...

    I'm not quite in the subject ... the photo is scary ... but we must remember this ...

    Kiev, September 1941. Babi Yar. Mother, a second before her death, presses her baby to herself. The man in the SS uniform who will kill her and the child in a second or two is not German. He is Ukrainian, more precisely - a native of Western Ukraine, from Zhytomyr. He served in the Galicia division, and since 1943 participated in the work of the Einsatz groups. Where did such details come from? Almost from himself. This photo was taken by partisans along with documents and an army badge. They seized when they searched his body. Monstrous photography will be one of the most eloquent witnesses of the victims of Nazism at the Nuremberg trials.


    This is a fake .... in the photo there is a scene from the American fiction series "War and Remembrance" (War and Remembrance) 1988th edition, 7 minutes
  30. Lester7777
    Lester7777 18 May 2016 21: 34
    0
    That is, Naftogaz has officially recognized that Donbass is not part of Ukraine.
    1. atalef
      atalef 18 May 2016 21: 38
      0
      Quote: Lester7777
      That is, Naftogaz has officially recognized that Donbass is not part of Ukraine.

      no, he said that whoever collects money for gas pays the supplier.
  31. private person
    private person 18 May 2016 21: 36
    +1
    Gazprom will reimburse losses from its Russians. Give free gas to Belarusians and Khokhlam !!! RUSSIA A Bountiful SOUL,
  32. Lens
    Lens 18 May 2016 21: 54
    0
    And what is the actual argument? Block Donbass gas for non-payment of Kiev.
  33. Yuriy Nikolayevich
    Yuriy Nikolayevich 18 May 2016 23: 48
    0
    Let LDNR then receive gas for transit through its territory. Since Kiev refuses to pay for deliveries.
  34. Mentat
    Mentat 19 May 2016 01: 20
    0
    Quote: atalef
    I don’t understand something, maybe, but dogma tells me that Donbassgaz should pay Russia, for gas delivered directly to the DPR.
    And what side is Naftagaz here?

    So sideways that the Kiev authorities say that the Donbass is the territory of Ukraine. Gas from Russia comes to Ukraine to Ukrainian consumers.

    Although, given what Yatsenyuk called publicly in an interview with the German television channel, the inhabitants of Donbass were “subhuman”, it is obvious that the Kiev authorities did not give a damn about the people living there, and generally about the social needs of the region.
  35. Mentat
    Mentat 19 May 2016 01: 27
    0
    Quote: razmik72

    Not only Ukraine, but a whole bunch of countries, from Italy to Poland, are opposed to the construction of Nord Stream 2.

    Another clarification on Italy: its business is very dissatisfied with the decision to freeze the South Stream project, where the Italian company Eni had the largest share. Italy has no share in the Nord Stream. Hence the discontent, the rest is the lyrics.
    Nobody is going to take seriously something from Polish politicians and the rest of the “bouquet”.
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  37. Siberian
    Siberian 19 May 2016 06: 57
    +1
    Well, thank God!
    And then we were already afraid that the embroidered-share-Ukraine and Donbass merged and quietly agreed to unite. And so - everything is in order, it should be so. If only they would rather sign the papers with refusals, and not just shake the atmosphere with statements. A document is an argument.