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Underwater "wall of China" against US and Russian submarines

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The Chinese shipbuilding state corporation has developed the “Project of the Great Wall Underwater”, aimed at identifying foreign submarines, reports Look with reference to IHS Jane's.



According to the British publication, the Great Wall is a “network of ship and subsurface sensors that can significantly reduce the military advantage of the United States and Russia at sea, which they“ conquered ”thanks to modern underwater the fleet».

According to the information, the above mentioned project was presented in China at the end of 2015 g, however in Europe it became known only now.

The publication notes that in Kuala Lumpur another Chinese company this year presented its more compact version of the Great Wall, called Reef Defense. However, there is little new in it, most of the elements of this network were borrowed from the previous project of the state corporation.

According to IHS Jane's, the Chinese, through their system, will be able to "more successfully control the disputed areas of the South China Sea."
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  1. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 18 May 2016 14: 07
    -5
    What for? Now everything from space flies.
    1. Finches
      Finches 18 May 2016 14: 11
      +3
      The Chinese guys from this corporation apparently really liked the idea of ​​the "brilliant strategist" of all times and peoples Yatsenyuk ... Or rather, how he made himself a billion out of thin air, and this is in impoverished Ukraine, and with the budget of the Celestial Empire, it is possible to build a "wall" on the Moon ! laughing
      1. arane
        arane 18 May 2016 14: 20
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        The Chinese guys from this corporation apparently really liked the idea of ​​the "brilliant strategist" of all times and peoples Yatsenyuk ... Or rather, how he made himself a billion out of thin air, and this is in impoverished Ukraine, and with the budget of the Celestial Empire, it is possible to build a "wall" on the Moon ! laughing


        Yes, the idea is as old as the world. And it cannot be said that it is not effective. But she will not bring China superiority in the ocean. Block strategic straits ...., well, maybe. And then with a certain degree of probability. And that’s all ....

        If anyone is interested, watch the documentary "Operation Atrin" ...
        Just on a similar topic
        1. kapitan92
          kapitan92 18 May 2016 14: 29
          +8
          Quote: arane
          Yes, the idea is as old as the world. And it cannot be said that it is not effective.

          GREAT UNDERWATER WALL: CSSC PREPARES CHINESE SOSUS!
          Preliminary information about this project, which was called Underwater Great Wall ("Great underwater wall"), was first announced by CSSC at the end of last year at one of the exhibitions. It follows from the document that some elements of the future system have been developed for a long time and are not secret, and IHS concluded that at present CSSC actually offers to deploy a Chinese analogue of the famous American Sound Surveillance System (SOSUS). In the project description, in particular, it is noted that the system’s task is to provide the user with a “comprehensive solution for monitoring the underwater environment and collecting real-time data on the location, routes of surface and underwater targets, to warn of underwater earthquakes, tsunamis and other natural disasters, as well as solutions for marine scientific research. ”
      2. FenH
        FenH 18 May 2016 14: 27
        -5
        Quote: Finches
        The Chinese guys from this corporation apparently really liked the idea of ​​the "brilliant strategist" of all times and peoples Yatsenyuk ... Or rather, how he made himself a billion out of thin air, and this is in impoverished Ukraine, and with the budget of the Celestial Empire, it is possible to build a "wall" on the Moon ! laughing

        Not from the egg, but from the Ukrainians just bought. A long time ago flashed in the press Ukrainian system, very similar to the Chinese hi
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    3. RUSS
      RUSS 18 May 2016 14: 14
      +4
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      What for? Now everything from space flies.

      In order for a rocket to enter space and accelerate there, the rocket should be launched and launched from submarines too.
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    5. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 18 May 2016 14: 25
      +3
      The Great Wall is "a network of shipborne and subsurface sensors that can significantly reduce the military advantage of the United States and Russia at sea," conquered "by them thanks to the modern submarine fleet."

      The sensors must be supported by good batteries, and it will not be cheap to "weight" the coastal area.
      In China, an oversupply of people and a lack of land.
      Wouldn't the Chinese go for the cultivation of their "Ichthyander"?
      1. sinoptic
        sinoptic 18 May 2016 14: 46
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        In China, an oversupply of people and a lack of land.
        Wouldn't the Chinese go for the cultivation of their "Ichthyander"?


        Yes Yes! In the sea of ​​them all, in the sea! wassat
      2. Svetlana
        Svetlana 19 May 2016 19: 29
        0
        A secret meeting was held at Harvard Medical School, USA, devoted to the creation of synthetic human DNA using genetic engineering methods.
        This will create artificial people with desired properties.
        https://31tv.ru/novosti/cheloveka-iz-probirki-reshili-sozdat-uchenye-16-5-2016-1

        75013.html
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 20 May 2016 04: 26
          0
          Microsoft creates repositories of information on DNA, instead of solid-state drives (SSDs) and flash drives.
          see http://www.dsnews.ua/future/microsoft-sozdala-idealnyy-dnk-disk-05052016144800
    6. lukewarm
      lukewarm 18 May 2016 14: 59
      0
      Not all, alas. Otherwise, patrol anti-submarine aircraft would be written off for scrap, and they will be modernized. You don’t really see a submarine from space in underwater position. And objects on the surface also did not suddenly.
  2. An60
    An60 18 May 2016 14: 08
    +4
    We are waiting for the appearance of the "underground" Chinese wall.
  3. V.ic
    V.ic 18 May 2016 14: 11
    +5
    "But we also have nonsense for intrigues and harmful networks,
    And evil intrigues of enemies will not spoil our mass. "
    V.S. Vysotsky
  4. Andrey K
    Andrey K 18 May 2016 14: 12
    +11
    Well, let's say the United States has a similar sensor system feel
    Why don't the Chinese do this request
    We wanted to call it the Great Wall, well, well feel
    Only here is the British edition that gave this "analytics" and "news" to the mountain - contradicts itself request
    It reads:
    1. The Great Wall is a “network of ship and subsurface sensors that can significantly reduce the military advantage of the United States and Russia at sea ...
    2. According to IHS Jane's, the Chinese with the help of their system will be able to "more successfully control the disputed areas of the South China Sea" ....
    So how sideways is Russia and the disputed areas of the South China Sea request
    News, anyhow blurt out and collect everything in a heap ... request
    1. Talgat
      Talgat 18 May 2016 17: 47
      -1
      Quite right, Andrei K. Russia is by no means an adversary of China now - and whatever they do there - it is directed exclusively against the United States and Japan. In the coming decades, China and Russia will see CSTO as an ally - in the worst case, as a friendly rear.
  5. black
    black 18 May 2016 14: 13
    +1
    Why not a network the size of the great wall of China? And they will discover and catch. You just need more floats with bells.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 18 May 2016 15: 08
      +1
      Quote: black
      Why not a network the size of the great wall of China? And they will discover and catch. You just need more floats with bells.

      As old as the world. In the 50s of the last century, Chinese and Japanese fishermen created heaps of problems for our submariners with their nets and traps. At that time, then, luminous floats and bells were widely used to signal the supplied tackle and flashlights for baiting fish. Pins. " observe radio silence ".
  6. Foxmara
    Foxmara 18 May 2016 14: 13
    +2
    on their territory what they want, they do it. the idea is not at all new
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 May 2016 14: 16
    -2
    They have ideas, however. From an engineering point of view, not a very good idea. Subsurface buoys are not durable, they require periodic maintenance and communication is needed!
  8. 3officer
    3officer 18 May 2016 14: 19
    +2
    For some reason, I imagined how the Chinese from the ferries dumped thousands of sedans and SUVs of the same name into the sea waters. wassat
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 18 May 2016 21: 33
      0
      Quote: 3officer
      For some reason, I imagined how the Chinese from the ferries dumped thousands of sedans and SUVs of the same name into the sea waters.

      Well, damn it, you and sadyuga ... crying
  9. magician
    magician 18 May 2016 14: 23
    +2
    as far as I remember, amers already have such a system and that, as our submarines went off their shores, they probably continue to walk. fellow
  10. Baloo
    Baloo 18 May 2016 14: 25
    +1
    Rather than scuffle, better think about how to protect the Crimean bridge, if it has not yet been built, and the Turks are attacking. request
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 18 May 2016 14: 31
      0
      A system of artificial shallows converging to a shipping arch ... How do you like it? In general, there was talk of some protective structures.
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 27 May 2016 18: 57
        0
        A system of artificial shallows converging to a shipping arch ..

        I am not a specialist, I am a taxpayer and a citizen of Russia, I have been living here very long.
        At one time there were many discussions about who owns the Tuzla-Ukraine or Russia spit. Tuzlu washes it in and out. Maybe concrete malls with reinforced concrete "thorns" so that it can be seen from afar that the casing will break? and even better bump stops, as on the roads? hi
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 18 May 2016 14: 41
      +1
      Quote: Balu
      Rather than scream, better think about how to protect the Crimean bridge,

      Have you heard anything about mines? lol
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 27 May 2016 18: 53
        0
        Have you heard anything about mines?

        Nah, what is it? belay
  11. CORNET
    CORNET 18 May 2016 14: 26
    +1
    Something fashion in the world went to all sorts of walls and domes ....)))) And the Chinese, in my foolishness, are toiling with these sensors ..
  12. cap
    cap 18 May 2016 14: 45
    0
    And how about the issue of the Kuril Islands?
    The fashion on the walls and the Japanese can adopt.
    Think about it after that.
    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 18 May 2016 15: 07
      +1
      And Mr. Abe recently arrived, and with the President they were looking for new solutions. It won’t reach the wall. They will create concessions and trading posts and no wall is needed. For example, Medvedev gave Norway a piece of the Norwegian Sea - and it’s not buzzing and there are no walls, and everyone forgot it a long time ago.
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 18 May 2016 16: 50
        -1
        Quote: unwillingly
        For example, Medvedev gave Norway a piece of the Norwegian Sea - and it’s not buzzing and there are no walls, and everyone forgot it a long time ago.

        I have not forgotten how IT began to give away to primordially Russian territories to foreigners! And I will never forget! And ALWAYS I will be against this ever-dormant creature, capable of nothing!
  13. uskrabut
    uskrabut 18 May 2016 14: 56
    0
    The walls of the Chinese got hurt forever.
  14. masiya
    masiya 18 May 2016 14: 59
    -1
    Even though they’re building something, there’s nowhere to go to the grandmothers ... only from satellites far and clear everything is visible to us like the states that are at sea, that in the deserts of Chinese of which there is a large part of the territory, so it would be better to have a dome over the celestial and adjacent waters marine erected.
  15. NordUral
    NordUral 18 May 2016 15: 01
    +2
    Why did the author drag us in? Bleed us and the Chinese? The article is clean and clearly provocative.
  16. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 18 May 2016 15: 04
    0
    This is nonsense! Our submarines are still not enough for the Americans! But enough land cigars!
  17. Vladimir
    Vladimir 18 May 2016 15: 25
    +1
    Well, this is only a project that is also likely to be discussed and criticized, and if something is created then it is certainly not the Yatsenyuk wall, for such a cut there they can simply be shot.
  18. Verdun
    Verdun 18 May 2016 17: 14
    +2
    Quote: arane

    Yes, the idea is as old as the world. And you can’t say that it is not effective

    NATO equipped the anti-submarine line on the Keflavik line, in order to control the passage of Soviet boats into the Atlantic, back in the late sixties. Such boundaries are a system of acoustic, magnetic and other sensors, and allow, with a certain degree of probability, to detect submarines. They certainly complicate the task for submariners, but they are not a panacea. The fact that China is building something similar is not surprising. The desire to tighten control over our own waters is understandable, and this is far from stupidity. I would like to hope that Russia at least continues to maintain such milestones, built during the Soviet era, at least in working condition.
  19. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 18 May 2016 17: 32
    0
    In my. and the Chinese, with their underwater walls, and the Americans, with their dormant underwater arsenals, are playing with toys - gadgets? Perhaps it's time to remember the good old Russian mine weapon Kolchak and start developing PDSS and mini submarines? if lone terrorists do this, then trained combat swimmers (aquanauts), equipped and armed with modern robotics. complexes in general "Poseidons" will be with "tridents"! Well, adversary, beware - barefoot goes to "you" !!!
  20. Verdun
    Verdun 18 May 2016 17: 39
    +1
    Quote: KudrevKN
    Well, adversary, beware - barefoot goes to "you" !!!

    You read such comments, listen to the "thieves' chanson" pouring from many speakers, and you involuntarily get the impression that at least half of the citizens of Russia were in the camps. And if you dig deeper, you have never been to the monkey house. But thinking, sadly enough, for some is just at the thug level. And at the same time they think "not according to concepts."
  21. Aviagr
    Aviagr 18 May 2016 22: 18
    +1
    There is nothing complicated in a distributed network of sonar sensors. The only thing is they don’t have to be made bottom stationary - So they are subject to damage by the enemy with the help of underwater gliders (and the cable that feeds them, too). If u do network wall, then in the form of constantly drifting robotic sailing crewless catamarans (RPBCs), which are equipped with at least two sonar sensors (above and below the layer of the jump in sound speed). Their power supply will be based on batteries and a wind generator, as well as optionally on solar panels and fuel cells. Acoustic data from the sensors at each moment in time with the coordinates of the RPS / Glonass / Baidu will be transmitted to a single calculation center, where they will build a matrix of correspondence of acoustic sources at different frequencies. At a distance of 2 ... 10km between RPACs, their sensitivity and selectivity will be much higher than the flexible towed antennas of large warships, and side-scan sonars will be used occasionally to confirm the found targets and track them within the network (as well as target designation in case of conflict). The autonomy of the RPAC in such conditions is assumed to be from 10 to 60 days, depending on a number of factors, the main of which is power supply.
    The shift on duty of the RPAC should be chaotic so as not to disturb the density of the coating, i.e. the amount of RPAC should be excessive with a coefficient. 1,5 ... 2.
    Part of the RPKB can carry weapons, both missile and torpedo, at the same time the duty area can be saturated with underwater glider-rocket-torpedo bombers to increase the stability of the RPKK as a combat unit. For non-freezing seas - this is the most effective version of anti-submarine warfare with minimal means.
    The design of the RPKB (as well as gliders) is unique and designed for multi-application use, including for civilian purposes, in more than 30 versions with only a small change (addition) to the payload. Moreover, RPKK was originally designed for mass production of hundreds of thousands of copies with minimal costs for production and operation.
    The outstanding qualities of seaworthiness and unsinkability were achieved due to original technical solutions.
    It remains to find a state that wants to materialize all this.