Juche Force

The North Korean army can not be counted, which makes it even worse

Despite the very weak economy and the almost complete international isolation of the DPRK, its armed forces (KPA - Korean Peoples Army) remain among the strongest in the world. The KPA is built under the slogan “Juche” (“self-reliance”) and “Songun” (“everything for the army”).

During the Cold War, North Korea received military assistance from the USSR and China. By now, it has completely stopped. Pyongyang is not satisfied with Moscow’s low solvency, and Beijing is extremely dissatisfied with its policy. The DPRK's only military partner is Iran, with which there is a constant exchange of technology. At the same time, Pyongyang continues its nuclear missile program and contains huge conventional forces. The country has a developed defense industry capable of producing almost all classes of military equipment: missiles, Tanks, Armored personnel carriers, artillery and MLRS, ships, boats and submarines - both on the basis of foreign projects, as well as their own development. Only airplanes and helicopters were not created in the DPRK, although they can be assembled from foreign components, if any.

Due to the extreme closeness of North Korea, information about its Armed Forces, especially about the number of vehicles, is estimated.

Missile forces include a significant number of ballistic missiles of various ranges. There are up to 16 battalions of Hwasong-7 missiles, they are also Nodon-1 (3 PU in each division, total from 200 to 300 missiles, flight range up to 1300 km), 1 regiment OTR P-17 (28 PU , flight range - 300 km), as well as based on the P-17 OTR "Hwasong-5" (to 180 PU, 300 – 400 missiles, range - 330 km) and "Hwasong-6" (to 100 PU, 300 –– 400 missiles, range - 500 km), to 8 divisions of the KN-02 TR created on the basis of the Russian Toch TR (in 4 PU in each, not less than 100 missiles, 70 km in the distance), in 6 divisions of the old TR " Luna ”and“ Luna-M ”(according to 4 PU, 70 km). MRBRs or even Tephodon series ICBMs are being developed.

The special operations forces of the KPA are at least the fourth largest in the world (after the United States, China, the Russian Federation), and perhaps even the second after the American — up to 90 thousand people. The North Korean MTR is led by the Light Infantry Control Bureau and the General Staff Intelligence Directorate. The CCO includes three components.

Special Forces of the Ground Forces: 9 light infantry brigades, 3 sniper brigades (17th, 60th, 61st), 17 reconnaissance battalions and 8 "regular" battalions. Airborne Forces: 3 "regular" (38, 48, 58th) and 4 sniper (11, 16, 17, 21st) airborne brigades, a parachute battalion. Naval special forces: 2 naval sniper brigades (1 each in the Western and Eastern fleets).

The ground forces, which number almost a million people, are divided into four strategic echelons. The first is located directly on the border with South Korea and consists of infantry and artillery units. If the DPRK starts a war, its task is to break through the South Korean border fortifications. If South Korea and the United States strike the first blow, the task of this echelon is to prevent the enemy troops from moving inland. The first echelon includes four infantry corps and one artillery corps.

1 Infantry Corps: 2, 13, 31, 46-I infantry divisions, four brigades - tank, light infantry, SAU, MLRS. 2: 3, 6, 8-I infantry divisions, 32-I light infantry brigade, two more light infantry brigades, as well as brigade tank, SAU, MRLS, paratrooper. 4-th: 26, 28, 33, 41-I infantry divisions, four brigades - tank, two light infantry, reconnaissance-landing. 5-th: 5, 12, 25, 45-I infantry divisions, 103-I tank tank brigade, 75 and 80-I light infantry brigade, brigade of SAU, RSZ brigade, paratrooper brigade. The 620 artillery corps comprises seven ACS brigades and six MLRS brigades.

The second echelon is located directly behind the first and consists of the most powerful tank and mechanized formations of the KPA ground forces. If the DPRK starts a war, its task is to develop an offensive in depth of the South Korean defense (including the seizure of Seoul) after its breakthrough by the forces of the first echelon. If South Korea and the United States begin the war, the second echelon of the KPA must eliminate possible enemy breakthroughs through the location of the first. The second echelon includes a tank and two mechanized corps. 806-th MK: 4, 7, 47-I and two more mechanized brigades, light infantry brigade, brigade of ACS. 815-th MK: 26-I and four more mechanized brigades, light infantry brigade, brigade of ACS. 820 Tk: 105-I armored division, three armored brigades, 15-I mechanized brigade, SAU brigade, MLRS brigade.

The third echelon provides defense of Pyongyang, is a reserve and training base for the first two echelons. Includes five infantry and one artillery corps. 3-th PC: five infantry divisions (including two training and reserve), tank and artillery brigades. 6-th PC: three infantry divisions (including two training and reserve), an artillery brigade. 7-th PC: 10 and 20-I infantry divisions, four training and reserve divisions, 87-I light infantry brigade, artillery brigade. 12-th PC: motorized infantry and infantry divisions, tank and artillery brigades. 91-th PC defense of the capital: four motorized infantry brigade, MLRS brigade. Candong Artillery Corps - six artillery and MLRS brigades.

The fourth echelon is located along the border of the DPRK with the PRC and the Russian Federation. It is, like the third, educational reserve, as well as the "echelon of the last hope." Includes two mechanized and four infantry corps. 108 and 425-y MK have the same structure - five mechanized brigades, light infantry brigade, brigade ACS. 10 and 11-th PC include one infantry and one training and reserve division, MLRS brigade. 8-th PC: three infantry divisions (including one training and reserve), tank and artillery brigades.

9-th PC: 24 and 42-I infantry divisions, training and reserve infantry division, MLRS brigade. It is this building that has a border with the Russian Federation in its area of ​​responsibility. The ground forces also include 4 border and 22 engineering brigades.

The KPA tank fleet includes up to 4 thousands of main and at least 250 light tanks. The oldest are the Soviet T-54 and T-55 (for 1000 of those and others) and their Chinese copies of the Tour 59 (175). There are 500 Soviet T-62. On their basis in the DPRK a family of Chonma tanks was created (at least 470 units). The most modern North Korean tank - "Songun-915", known in the West and in Russia under the name "Pokpun-ho." It is also based on T-62, but using more advanced T-72 and T-80 technologies. Carries 125-mm cannon, 14,5-mm KPVT machine gun, paired with the Balso-3 anti-tank missile system (a copy of the Soviet Kornet anti-tank missile system) and the Hwa Son Chon anti-aircraft missile system (a copy of the Needle-1). Not a single tank in the world has such a set of weapons. 200 – 400 units “Songun-915” have been released so far. Light tanks: 100 Soviet PT-76, 50 Chinese 62 Tour, no less than 100 own Xinhen PT-85 (amphibious tank with 85-mm cannon).

There are 222 Soviet BMP-1, as well as more 1500 BTR. The oldest are the BTR-40 and the BTR-152 (around 600 in total). Slightly newer are the Soviet BTR-60 (250 units), BTR-50 (50) and their own "Type-73", created on the basis of the Chinese Tour 531 and better known under the name VTT-323 (at least 500). The most modern 32 of Russian BTR-80 and up to 100 created on their basis in the DPRK BTR "Tip-69".

KPA artillery includes numerous towed Soviet, Chinese and own-made guns. These are 500 A-19 and M-30, 300 D-74, 188 D-30, 50 Tour 59-1, 160 M-46 and up to 1000 similar own-produced guns, 200 D-20 and XNXX XMNXX and 100 X-NUMX X-NUMX and 20 D-59 and 60 1973 and 1983 A significant part of these guns has been converted into self-propelled guns by installing it on a tracked carrier ATS-60. There are at least 3000 ACS M-7500 and M-1976 "Juche-po" with a range of up to 82 kilometers. Thus, the total number of ACS and towed guns exceeds 1978. Mortars (up to 120) are mainly produced in-house: M-1982 (140 mm), M-1000 (120 mm), M-43 (5000 mm). 3774 Soviet 63-mm M-500 mortars are also available. The number of MLRS exceeds 21. This is at least 11 Chinese towed Tour 1973, produced under license in North Korea, 1990 Soviet BM-100, its own BM-63, M-50, M-14, 100 Chinese Tour 14, 200 Soviet towed RPU-1968 and 20 BM-200 200 own M-500 and Soviet BMD-24 (1984 mm), from 1990 to 240 Soviet BM-XNUMX, own M-XNUMX and M-XNUMX (XNUMX mm).

Anti-tank weapons: ATGM "Baby", "Competition", to 1100 ATGM "Fagot", as well as at least a thousand self-propelled anti-tank weapons M-1974 (100 mm).

In the number of almost all classes of equipment, KPA ground forces occupy at least the fourth place in the world. Such an enormous amount largely compensates for its archaic nature. This applies particularly to artillery, the KPA trunks are in second place in the world after the PLA. The North Korean artillery is capable of creating a real sea of ​​fire in the frontal zone, it is impossible to physically suppress such a number of guns.

The DPRK Air Force organizationally consists of 6 air divisions and 3 anti-aircraft missile brigades. 1st Hell: 24th bomber up (equipped with old Chinese N-5 bomber based on IL-28), 35th fighter ap (Chinese J-6 fighters, copies of MiG-19), 55th assault up (the most modern attack aircraft are Su-25 attack aircraft), the 57th fighter ap (the most modern - MiG-29), the 60th fighter ap (MiG-23ML / UB and MiG-21PFM fighters), two transport ap (An- 2 and their Chinese counterparts Y-5), a helicopter regiment. 2nd hell: bomber up (N-5), 46th IAP (J-6, MiG-21), 56th IAP (MiG-21PFM / bis), 58th IAP (MiG-23ML / UB) , 72nd IAP (MiG-21, J-7), as well as three more IAPs, transport ap (An-2 / Y-5), helicopter regiment. 3rd hell: 4th and 11th IAP (armed with the oldest J-5 fighter, Chinese copy of the MiG-17), 86th IAP (J-6, MiG-21), 303rd IAP (J-6) Helicopter Regiment. The 5th transport hell includes five regiments. The 6th transport hell includes Air Koryo airline, which includes passenger planes carrying top officials of the DPRK and KPA, as well as seven helicopter regiments, including the only Mi-24 attack helicopter regiment and the 64th MD-American helicopter regiment 500 acquired in the 80s through intermediaries. 8th study hell includes aviation an academy and four regiments of training aircraft. Anti-aircraft missile brigades: 3, 66, 116th.

Shock aircraft Air KNA comprises up 86 extremely outdated Chinese bomber H-5, from 18 to 27 Su-7, 34-35 relatively new Su-25 (including 4 UBC) and to 40 intermediate age Chinese attack planes Q-5 . Fighters: up 107 extremely outdated Chinese J-5 and Soviet MIG-17, to 109 J-6 and MiG-19, to 232 MIG-21 and J-7, to 56 MIG-23, 16-35 MIG-29 (in including up to 6 combat training MiG-29UB). There is an 2 EW aircraft based on An-24 (another one, possibly in storage). Transport aviation in the classic sense of the DPRK is not. Air Koryo includes 3 IL-76, 4 IL-62, 5 An-24, 14 IL-14, 2 – 3 IL-18, 2 Tu-134, 3 Tu-154 (1, 204 Tu-300, 2 Tu-5 (35, 15 Tu-15, 2 Tu-49), 6, 97 Tu-5, 18 Tu-135 (5, 5 Tu-17, 20 Tu-47) Two Tu-24 designed to carry the manual and some of the most important goods. Prior to 68, An-8 and Y-17 are used by the SSO to transfer special forces. Training aircraft: up to 4 MiG-26bis, MiG-108UTI and JJ-2, up to 23 CJ-5, up to 4 CJ-4 and Yak-1, up to 5 JJ-8 (J-14 training option (J-87), (J-500, X-NNXX) (up to XNUMX JJ-XNUMX (training version J-XNUMX) Attack helicopters: XNUMX – XNUMX Mi-XNUMXD. Multipurpose helicopters: up to XNUMX Mi-XNUMXT and Mi-XNUMX, XNUMX Mi-XNUMX, up to XNUMX Mi-XNUMX, up to XNUMX Z-XNUMX (Chinese copy of Mi-XNUMX) and Mi-XNUMX (still XNUMX in storage), XNUMX – XNUMX (XNUMX-XNUMX) and Mi-XNUMX (still XNUMX in storage), XNUMX – XNUMX (XNUMX) and Mi-XNUMX (still XNUMX in storage), XNUMX – XNUMX (XNUMX in Chinese storage), XNUMX (still XNUMX stored), XNUMX – XNUMX (XNUMX in storage), XNUMX – XNUMX (Chinese copy of Mi-XNUMX) and Mi-XNUMX (still XNUMX stored), XNUMX – XNUMX (XNUMX) amphibians Mi-XNUMX, up to XNUMX MD-XNUMX.

All ground air defense included in the Air Force. It includes the 2 Regiment (6 divisions) C-200 XR (36 PU), 41 C-75 (246 PU) division, X-NUMX C-32 (125 PU) division, no less than the KN-XNNX X-NX division of the X-NNXX division of the X-NNXX of the S-128 (06 PU), no less than the 8 of the X-NXX PU-06 (300 PU), the no. PU). KN-9 is a local version of the Soviet C-6000PT / PS, or the Chinese HQ-4500. In service with 2 MANPADS (5 "Strela-1500" and their Chinese copies HN-1, 16 "Needle-250" and their local counterparts NT-57РGJ), several thousand ZSU and anti-aircraft guns, including up to 2 ZSU-XNUM -148, 23 ZSU-4-1500, 23 ZU-1000, 61 400-K, 12 KS-524, 19 KS-XNUMX.

Almost all the equipment of the KPA Air Force and Air Defense is extremely outdated, even the Su-25, MiG-29 and KN-06 can be considered new only relatively. To a certain extent, this is compensated by the quantity, but in this case this factor has a much smaller value than for the ground forces. However, the actions of aviation of any enemy of the DPRK at low altitudes will be extremely complicated by the mountainous terrain and a huge number of MANPADS and anti-aircraft guns in the North Korean air defense. Old aircraft may well be used as kamikazes, including those with nuclear weapons.

The Navy is divided into the Western Fleet (includes 5 naval areas, 6 squadron) and Eastern (7 BMP, 10 squadron). For geopolitical reasons, the exchange of ships between fleets is impossible even in peacetime, so each fleet relies on its shipbuilding base.

By the number of combat units, the DPRK Navy may be the largest in the world, but almost all ships are extremely primitive. In particular, they do not have an air defense system at all. However, for actions in the coastal waters of the North Korean Navy have very significant potential. Their strongest side is a large number of small submarines capable of planting special forces groups on the enemy’s coast as well as operating against enemy ships in shallow water. In regular border clashes between North Korean and South Korean combat boats, advantage, as a rule, is on the side of the former.

The basis of the submarine fleet is 22 of old submarines of the project 633 / 033 (Soviet, Chinese and own construction). Perhaps preserved to 4 completely old Soviet submarines of the project 613. There are 30 – 40 small submarines Sang-O (built on their own project), 23 ultra-small submarines “South” Yugoslav development (10 in reserve) and up to 10 “Yono” (Iranian “Gadir”).

At least 2 escort ships (frigates) of the Nadzhin type, 1 catamaran Soho (possibly decommissioned), up to 30 corvettes (including the newest Nampo 2 type 3) are armed. Rocket boats: up to 8 of old Soviet projects 205, 4 of their Chinese counterparts of the 021 project, up to 10 of their local counterparts of the Soju type, up to 6 of very old Soviet projects of the 183Р °, up to 6 of their local counterparts of the Sohung type, up to 6 of the latest proprietary types Nongo (with local counterparts of the Russian Ukr X-35 RCC).

The DPRK naval forces are practically the only fleet in the world that continues to operate torpedo boats on a large scale (mostly of its own projects). It’s up to 100 “Sing Hong” on a hydrofoil, 42 of “Kuson” type, up to 3 Soviet 206М project, up to 13 Soviet 183 project. Patrol boats: 54 of Chongjin type, 18 – 33 of Sinpo type, Chakho type of 59, Jongzhu type of XonMX, 6 Chinese Shanghai-13 type of 23, 062 Soviet Soviet project. Minesweepers: 2 type "Yukto-19", 201 type "Yukto-19", to 1 boats of the type "Pipa-go."

Landing ships and boats are focused on carrying out operations only within the Korean Peninsula itself, so they are small, but there are a lot of them. These are 10 TDK of “Hanto” type, 18 TDK of “Hunnam” type, 15 TDK of “Hanchon” type, 51 landing craft of “Chongjin” type, 96 DK “Nampo”, 140 DK on airbag of “Konban” type.

Coastal defense covers the entire coast of the DPRK. It includes 6 brigades (11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 21). Includes a significant number of Chinese SCRK HY-1 and HY-2, the Soviet SCRC "Sopka", tools CM-4-1, M-1992, M-46, ML-20.

In general, the noticeable technical backwardness of the KPA is largely compensated for by the huge amount of weapons, equipment and personnel, a good level of combat training and fanaticism of military personnel. In addition, the KPA is very well adapted to operations in mountainous conditions. This makes it a dangerous opponent even for the three strongest armies in the world (American, Chinese, Russian) and completely invincible for all the rest.

Comments

[Sergey-8848]

In addition to "Juche" and "Songun", the leadership of the DPRK (the same grandson) is probably guided by the third principle - the transition of a huge amount into some kind of quality.
The article could do without the last phrase: This makes her (i.e. KPA) a dangerous adversary even for the three strongest armies in the world (American, Chinese, Russian) and completely invincible for everyone else.. Neither we nor the Chinese are going to fight the DPRK, and indeed the main enemy for the KPA is the South Korean armed forces

[max702]

Without nuclear weapons with the DPRK, any enemy will be washed in blood .. There is, of course, the "golden donkey" factor, but the DPRK is not Iraq, and the Koreans are not Arabs .. Vietnam has proved it .. There, as in the BV, there were USSR weapons and advisers .. But the result is absolutely opposite ..

[Oprychnik]

"Vietnam has proven it."
Koreans themselves have proven. Vietnam has made great use of their combat experience.

[Andrew]

“The Koreans have proven themselves. Vietnam has used their combat experience in many ways.” - Yes? Didn't the Vietnamese beat the French at the same time?

[Vivan]

Yes, at that time we fought with the French. Only we had no tanks or planes. And we fought like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdZ_gSI5-co

[RAA]

Won't wash! The top has rotted, will fall apart quickly.

[Maki Avellevich]

Quote: max702

Without nuclear weapons with the DPRK, any enemy will be washed in blood .. There is, of course, the "golden donkey" factor, but the DPRK is not Iraq

Motivation of North Korean soldiers to defend Grandchild's regime is ambiguous

in the 50s, the Koreans fought with the Ocupantam as a free people, now the status seems to have changed. This fact is badly has a huge impact on combat effectiveness.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: max702

and Koreans are not Arabs .. Vietnam proved it ..

The Vietnamese are not Korean, although for many there is no difference. Kim grandfather lost the warrior in 50x very quickly and started calling him to Moscow - help me, save.

[alicante11]

The Vietnamese are not Korean, although for many there is no difference. Kim grandfather lost the warrior in 50x very quickly and started calling him to Moscow - help me, save.

In fact, he won the war against his southern counterparts. And then the KPA was not preparing to fight against amers. Therefore, the help of older brothers was required. And Kim's calculation was correct, he got it. Unfortunately, the Juche is a double-edged weapon. If asked for help earlier, Korea could remain united and communist.

[0255]

Quote: alicante11

In fact, he won the war against his southern counterparts. And then the KPA was not preparing to fight against amers. Therefore, the help of older brothers was required. And Kim's calculation was correct, he got it. Unfortunately, the Juche is a double-edged weapon. If asked for help earlier, Korea could remain united and communist.

Kim Il Sung could have thought with his head that the United States would intercede for the South Caucasus, and that Stalin clearly did not need a new war.

[alicante11]

Kim Il Sung could have thought with his head that the United States would intercede for the South Caucasus, and that Stalin clearly did not need a new war.

Well, IVS is not needed, so the Chinese have come. Everything is calculated. In the USSR, dofiga weapons, and the Chinese have cannon fodder. So amers would not have broken off. But in case of success - a fabulous prize - a united Korea.

[0255]

Quote: alicante11

Kim Il Sung could have thought with his head that the United States would intercede for the South Caucasus, and that Stalin clearly did not need a new war.

Well, IVS is not needed, so the Chinese have come. Everything is calculated. In the USSR, dofiga weapons, and the Chinese have cannon fodder. So amers would not have broken off. But in case of success - a fabulous prize - a united Korea.

yeah, the whole Korean peninsula would starve then today, and not just its northern part.

[Chit]

"Korea could remain united and communist," you say?
So what?
Would everyone feel right right away?
But nothing that the world (Russia in the first place) would be left without cheap and reliable cars of KIA Motors and Hyundai?
What, first of all, would the Russians today be left without first-class electronics from LG, Samsung and Daewoo Electronics?
Without excellent and reliable TVs, smartphones, washing machines, refrigerators, tablets, laptops, microwaves, etc.?
And what in return?
A single communist juche? A crowd of fanatics, constantly begging for food from the United States, China and Russia?
Thank. I don’t need such a gift for nothing.

[moskowit]

"... Despite the very weak economy and almost complete international isolation of the DPRK, its armed forces (KPA - Korean People's Army) remain one of the strongest in the world ..."

It’s illogical. A strong army cannot exist without a developed economy. So the information on the economic potential of North Korea is completely closed.
The army, which occupies the fourth place in the world ranking, is an army equipped with all types of modern type of weapons and possessing the highest fighting spirit!

[aksakal]

Quote: moskowit

It’s illogical. A strong army cannot exist without a developed economy. So the information on the economic potential of North Korea is completely closed.

- I am very hesitant about the weak economy of the DPRK. After all, it is assessed by the methods of market economies, but in the DPRK it is not a market economy, therefore, these methods are not suitable for assessing the DPRK economy. For example, there is an estimate of 2 the company's capitalization "- well, there is no such concept when evaluating a North Korean enterprise, the operating principle there is completely different. Hence such a distortion - like, the DPRK economy is only 0.1% of the South Korean economy. But this is nonsense. Pyongyang is exactly like that. the same skyscrapers, as in Seoul - and building a skyscraper is not two toes on the asphalt You need a developed industry for the production of building materials, the presence of a powerful body of highly qualified engineers of various profiles - from constructors of building structures to heating and plumbers and others.
And the own production of weapons, even if outdated, is also not two fingers on the asphalt, the machine-building industry and a powerful corps of engineers are also needed. DPRK missiles are able to produce, it seems to many. that a rocket is just a pipe with fuel, the fuel is set on fire, and the pipe flies from the resulting thrust. Let them think further I am not saying that the DPRK has a powerful economy, I just say that it is incorrectly estimated and that it makes up 0,1% of South Korea’s GDP - bullshit. In terms of the power of this economy, it’s enough to maintain such a powerful army, you don’t need to believe any nonsense here. Therefore, to evaluate the economy of the DPRK, other, more objective criteria are needed. I think that they will pull a full 25 percent of the South Korean economy, and this, taking into account the fact that the South Korean economy is quite large, is quite a lot.
As for low solvency - well, Duc in their currency they are quite solvent, and they have a lot of dollars, because for 40 years, if not more, they have been under sanctions, it’s impossible for them to get dollars, since there is only one "brother in trouble" in partners Iran? Be that as it may, the DPRK will begin reforms sooner or later, but it will approach reforms not at all empty-handed, not in an "African" state. She will have a literate population on her hands (I cannot imagine real socialism without a powerful universal education, and they still have socialism) and with quite acceptable industry. The lifting of the sanctions could entail the transfer of new technologies to the DPRK - and hello, new Asian tiger. Although this is unlikely to happen - the hegemon is not in the mood to breed tigers, but is only concerned about the territories of chaos, especially the chaos in the place of the DPRK - it is so convenient, it hits both the PRC and Russia, and Japan and South Korea will be a little cold, otherwise instrument slightly

[Ros64]

If in Russia we collect all the thieves, confiscate everything stolen (and from their relatives too) and send them to the Arctic with hacksaws to build an "igloo" out of snow - to help our border guards, then our economy was at a very high level and there would be enough money for everything! And to lead these brigades send the Great Party - "United Russia"!

[overb]

Quote: aksakal

After all, it is evaluated according to the methods of market economies,

And what, for an estimation of economy there is any separate technique? Absolute feudalism, he and Africa absolute feudalism.

Quote: aksakal

there the principle of operation is completely different.

Finished products at the input, raw materials at the output? Everything is there, like everyone else. Only the population is in slavery, and there is only one master. Such a chubby one is clearly not like a starving person with a people.

Quote: aksakal

Pyongyang has exactly the same skyscrapers

Have you been to Pyongyang? Or read on the right sites?
They are there, above 40 floors, as much as 6. So-so, relative skyscrapers. And above 50 floors, one, 105-story hotel Rügen. Built for 28 years, completed (foreigners), but not commissioned.

Quote: aksakal

I'm just saying that it is incorrectly estimated, and that it is 0,1% of South Korea’s GDP - bullshit.

And here I agree with you.

Quote: aksakal

well so in their currency they are quite solvent

And who is arguing? Wealthy, everything is visible.

Quote: aksakal

She will have a literate population on her hands

Where will it come from? Who will teach him the sciences?

Quote: aksakal

I can’t imagine real socialism without universal powerful education, but they still have socialism

Those. Do you consider absolute feudalism with a powerful ideological support in the form of pseudo-religion (Juche or Marxism-Leninism, it makes no difference) a sufficient reason for having a "powerful education"? How is it? And why in the USSR this "powerful formation" was present only in the reports of the CPSU congresses?

Quote: aksakal

and with a perfectly acceptable industry

Gee-gee three times.

Quote: aksakal

The lifting of the sanction may entail the transfer of new technologies to the DPRK - and hello, the new Asian tiger

Gee-gee 33 times.

[overb]

Quote: Sergey-8848

Neither we nor the Chinese are going to fight the DPRK

You never know who and what is not going to do. And then things change and does.

[Talgat]

Quote: Sergey-8848

Neither we nor the Chinese are going to fight the DPRK, and indeed the main enemy for the KPA is the South Korean armed forces

Of course, we all understand perfectly well that the DPRK is not an enemy of China or Russia. But Khramchikhin is always such an "anti-Chinese" "anti-Democratic People's Republic of Korea" and of course pro-Western - and he could not help but "throw in" - to give someone else the idea that North Korea might be an enemy

Secondly, these are Khramchikhin's personal "fabrications" - allegedly Pektn is dissatisfied with the DPRK and Moscow is not satisfied with low solvency. In fact, the question is not at all - without China there would be no North Korea at all. And the DPRK has always been and will be the geopolitical foothold of China and Russia against the states and Japan. And if tomorrow it becomes necessary, they will supply all the weapons they need.

[overb]

Quote: Talgat

Of course - we all perfectly understand that the DPRK is not an enemy of either China or Russia.

Why such confidence?

Quote: Talgat

so that someone could get the idea that the DPRK is possible an adversary

Why not? I already wrote about changing circumstances.

Quote: Talgat

without China, there would be no DPRK at all.

It was once a long time ago and today no longer matters. In the end, without the Soviet Union there would be no social. China. And who of the Chinese Communist elite today remembers this?

Quote: Talgat

And the DPRK has always been and will be the geopolitical bridgehead of China and Russia against the states and Japan.

It is a pity that Kim does not know about this. That would be surprised.

Quote: Talgat

And if tomorrow it becomes necessary - then they will put all the weapons as they need.

What business is it with? And who will allow it? The world has changed, have not noticed?

[VNP1958PVN]

They would still be more adequate for the “great helmsman”, otherwise you never know what he will do tomorrow!

[34 region]

06.56. You might think the western leadership is adequate! How many bones have already been washed on in (in) inadequate leaders of the West. In the 45th, adequate leaders demolished two Japanese cities?

[Oprychnik]

"Such a huge amount largely compensates for its archaism."
And, perhaps, this is a plus. When using nuclear weapons, most of modern electronics "glitch" or burn out, and the "pedal horse", as it was a horse, will remain so ... Just turn the pedals.

[Blondy]

Quote: Oprychnik

"Such a huge amount largely compensates for its archaism."
And, perhaps, this is a plus. When using nuclear weapons, most of modern electronics "glitch" or burn out, and the "pedal horse", as it was a horse, will remain so ... Just turn the pedals.

There will be a pedal horse with a crispy golden crust.

[Oprychnik]

Well yes. And thousands of South Korean and American tanks in the form of a pedestal.

[Yak28]

(KPA - Korean People’s Army) remain one of the strongest in the world. What is the strongest? Armed with the same junk that land equipment, that aviation. Plus, ships and submarines are outdated. The latest electronics can’t win a war without and speech. I would not have recorded this army in the top 10 strongest armies in the world

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yak28

I wouldn’t record this army in 10 of the strongest armies in the world

And nobody writes her there, except for Khramchikhin and Kim himself.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Yak28

I wouldn’t record this army in 10 of the strongest armies in the world

And nobody writes her there, except for Khramchikhin and Kim himself.

And, for you, Kim is not an authority?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mordvin 3

And, for you, Kim is not an authority?

Of course the authority, the greatest of the living and living, ever on earth. He is like the sun, a star in reality

[altel]

looks like a former mayor of London

[34 region]

Romanov! 07.45. But you can’t even see a try for a tooth. afraid however! But the Iraqi army tried on the tooth.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Region 34

But you can’t even see a try for a tooth. afraid however!

Just because, on the one hand, the DPRK borders on China, and on the other, the border with Russia. If Kim left one tank, in this situation no one would attack him anyway.
But if the DPRK had been somewhere in Africa, it would have been rolled out long ago, like the Fins of Canadians.

[altel]

If it were not for American bases with tactical nuclear weapons, South Korea would have been rolled out long ago. Seoul is the capital of South Korea, 22 km from the border. After the strikes of the supposedly "archaic" cannon artillery of the northerners there will be nothing left of it. From North to South South Korea is 500 km. You can drive from north to south in about seven hours

[St_tov]

This is called having a hostage. But about the rolled out the South Caucasus without the United States - I would not say. Scythe on the stone. They would cut each other with excitement and rapture. And everything that is true for a positive description of the people of the UK is also true for South Korean. In any case, from the night the local people stood in lines in the late 90s to subsidize the local central bank with personal gold items. About 15 tons of Au were delivered. And the accumulation coefficient in the South Caucasus for three five-year periods was higher than in the era of Stalinist industrialization. T.ch. archaic weapons against ultramodern, with the same moral and volitional qualities.

[Oprychnik]

Oh oh oh. Electronics all glitch in the first hours of the war, cellular communications and other satellite misunderstanding. If there is no JPS, where will you launch the rockets? Here, ideologically savvy and resistant to the lack of toilet paper people come to the forefront, which you cannot find in South Korea.)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Oprychnik

Oh oh oh. Electronics all glitch in the first hours of the war, cellular communications and other satellite misunderstanding. If there is no JPS, where will you launch the rockets?

What kind of Russian fools, they put electronics on modern planes, equip the army with modern weapons.
And what a talented young man Kim knows that his army is the most invincible.
Are you from the DPRK Embassy in Moscow?

[Oprychnik]

Eun pays me for the Internet. I work out.

[Oprychnik]

"What are Russian fools, they put electronics on modern aircraft"

Do you mean electronic boards, processors and other chips that are supplied to us from China and Taiwan? Oh well.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Oprychnik

Eun pays me for the Internet. I work out.

Rice?

Quote: Oprychnik

Do you mean electronic boards, processors and other chips that are supplied to us from China and Taiwan? Oh well.

Well, then you definitely know what the boards are installed in SU 35. The truth is you never saw them in your eyes, but you know for sure.

[Oprychnik]

I am constantly touched by the double standard in comments like you.
In North Korea they eat dogs, because they are savages, and in South Korea, because aesthetes.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Oprychnik

In North Korea they eat dogs because savages

Show me a dog in North Korea — I want to see.

Quote: Oprychnik

and, and in South, because aesthetes.

And in the South it is a delicacy.

[Oprychnik]

In-in. And I about that.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Oprychnik

In-in. And I about that.

And I about the fact that in North Korea they were devoured a long time ago.

[Oprychnik]

And I mean, "And in the South it's a delicacy."

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Oprychnik

And I mean, "And in the South it's a delicacy."

And in the North, a terrible shortage

[Oprychnik]

I also heard from reliable sources that before a dog is beaten, a dog must be beaten with sticks so that adrenaline and other hormones stand out, then it will be tastier.

[Oprychnik]

Alexander, why did you delete the comment? Didn’t like the picture?)))

[Oprychnik]

Well, since you don’t like blood and animals killed, look at the pretty Korean girls.)))

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Oprychnik

look at the pretty Korean girls.))

She's definitely pretty, even from the back I didn’t really make out.
And he skates on a busy North Korean road. Rush hour

[Bongo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, then you definitely know what the boards are installed in 35.

Hi Sasha!
Unfortunately, a significant part of the elemental base of avionics Su-35С is really Chinese and Indian production. But so far we are assembling electronic components from imported components ourselves.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Bongo

Unfortunately, a significant part of the element base of the avionics Su-35S is really Chinese and Indian

Hello Sergey! A couple of years ago there was a scandal in the USA due to the fact that Chinese electronic products were installed on F 22.

Quote: Bongo

But so far we are assembling electronic components from imported components ourselves.

And another 10 years we will collect.

[aksakal]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

What kind of Russian fools, they put electronics on modern planes, equip the army with modern weapons.
And what a talented young man Kim knows that his army is the most invincible.

- and you look at the opening of the black box of the SU-24 shot down in Syria on YouTube, listen to the exclamations and swear words "yes, everything is pokotsy here, e ... t ... m !!!", read the comments to this video from knowledgeable people - perhaps , your sarcasm will be diminished to the point that you yourself should ask this post to be considered non-sarcastic, and taken quite literally For those chips that were in that black box deserve mats, and those people who decided to insert them there are quite suitable for your post. So less pathos, dear.
My opinion on electronics? Yes please. In the event of a collision of technologically equal rivals such as Russia and the United States, the hostilities will still slide to the level of "a pedal horse without electronics on the battlefield rules!", Because opponents quickly increase each other with the help of sophisticated electronic warfare and electromagnetic weapons to hell with all the electronic stuffing. They will take the good old machine guns in their hands, rip out useless boards from tanks, install the old-fashioned devices on them and go ahead, continue to kill the enemy. And I already guess who will win in this situation, who is not very accustomed to electronics and not very much hopes for it in life. And why put electronics then? And against third countries, but against such as this DPRK. Is it uncomfortable fighting in Syria? With the help of sophisticated computerized sights of the AKP, when bombs fly right on target from a height inaccessible to MANPADS opponents - it's quite convenient, isn't it? The States cannot be bombed like that, the enemy is not the same. And here - the losses are minimal, the effect is maximal, why not use electronics? Here's the answer to your post. But at the same time, it must be remembered that electronics are VULNERABLE against electronic warfare and against electromagnetic weapons, these are generally very delicate products that can be disabled by a technologically advanced enemy - two fingers on asphalt.

[Anglorussian]

Electronics in the mobile phone and in the military radar are slightly different.

these are generally very delicate products

[0255]

Quote: Oprychnik

Here, ideologically savvy and resistant to the lack of toilet paper people come to the forefront, which you cannot find in South Korea.)))

In the event of a war with the DPRK, the South Koreans will have their own motivation - to fight so as not to live in such "happiness" as the North Koreans, with the prohibitions of everything and everyone, in poverty and hunger, praising the "great sun-like" Eun.

[Oprychnik]

In case of war, the South Koreans will have one motivation - to study the ideas of Juche!

[0255]

Quote: Oprychnik

In case of war, the South Koreans will have one motivation - to study the ideas of Juche!

in the coffin these South Juchees saw your after a rich life under decaying capitalism. Therefore, the incentive to fight against Juche in the South Caucasus will be. Yes, it is better to die in a nuclear war than to live in North Korean. Kim fans from the CIS countries, accustomed to the Internet, personal transportation, an abundance of goods in stores, household appliances, mobile communications - all that a DPRK citizen can only dream of - cannot be driven there for permanent residence. And if you drive - you will howl there on the first day. Are you ready to abandon all of the above benefits of civilization? I think it’s unlikely that you would prefer to love Juche from a distance.
Do you think the South Koreans, armed with the latest technology, will immediately surrender immediately to the North Koreans, armed with Soviet-Chinese junk of the 1960s and 1970s, and will accept the DPRK lifestyle?

[0255]

Quote: Oprychnik

Gee-gee. Advice from the consumer!)))

You yourself use the Internet and a computer that came to us from the USA, by the way Do you have a car, a washing machine? If so, do not you feel like a consumer yourself? Are you ready to give up all this for Kim and Juche?
Do you remember the hungry nineties with good words? Were you happy with life then? If not, why are you saying that there is nothing wrong with the DPRK's poverty?

[Oprychnik]

"Why do you say that there is nothing wrong with the poverty of the DPRK?"
Because I was born in the USSR. And I lived in a rented room, in a communal apartment, and in an apartment with a shared room. Everything you boast about now was earned by your ancestors with blood and sweat. You do not appreciate your ancestors and the system, thanks to which, you may have received an education and, it is not clear, your inherent snobbery.

[St_tov]

The trouble is that the same amount of sweat and blood, with different socio-economic formations, is converted into completely different material wealth. And under non-socialism, for some reason there are significantly more of them (i.e., benefits). And not to a small extent due to the fact that the surplus value appropriated by the capitalist is spent much more rationally than the monopoly appropriated by the state. It is not just that they will not give resources to distill the resources from the capitalists into chips, but will limit them. Skepticism, based on the experience of life in the Russian Federation after the collapse of the empire, regarding capitalism, is understandable. But. Capitalism in the Russian Federation was never built. A certain conglomerate of the feudal tribal system, with elements of usurious and rent-like relations. So in S. Korea, they stigmatize North American imperialism, not knowing what it is. Of the two evils - Maoism vs capitalism, they chose the greater.

[alicante11]

And under non-socialism, for some reason there are significantly more of them (i.e., benefits).

Come on, you tell this to those millions of Soviet people who "did not fit into the market." Significantly more in a much smaller percentage of people. Like Chubais, Abramovich, as well as their six - high-ranking officials and top managers. The rest have what is called "liquid soup".

[Mwg]

For 0255. If you understand poverty as the absence of a car, a washing machine - an automatic machine and plasma, then you are not far from wealth - go over the hill, there will be a mustache. Only in addition to this wealth there will be a feeling of your own insignificance, because you will work not for one but for many: you will have to lie, get out, stick your sense of dignity in one place, and be permanently afraid. If all this will not be painful for you, congratulations, you have successfully joined the "Western world" and found your place.

[0255]

Quote: MVG

For 0255. If you understand poverty as the absence of a car, a washing machine - an automatic machine and plasma, then you are not far from wealth - go over the hill, there will be a mustache.

When you throw the computer, plasma, washer out of the window yourself, burn your car so that you don’t be ashamed of the North Korean, then you will tell me how you can live without it

Quote: MVG

Only in addition to this wealth there will be a feeling of your own insignificance, because you will work not for one but for many: you will have to lie, get out, stick your sense of dignity in one place, and be permanently afraid. If all this will not be painful for you, congratulations, you have successfully joined the "Western world" and found your place.

All this is and will be under any political system, in any country.

[altel]

0255 is it your IQ probably is this? Put a comma in numbers after zero? In order for all the wonders of a free life to buy money, and in South Korea also not everyone has the right amount of money. In the Union, I also dreamed of remembering under the Communists; we urgently need jeans, we want chewing gum, Coca-Cola, sneakers, so that the hut is like in a movie about America and a wheelbarrow yet. Well, did you get what you wanted in '91? Today, in jeans and sneakers, the last scourge doesn’t even go, you can wash the Coca-Cola plumbing. The shops are littered with ersatz grub. Only some money is enough for everyone. It turns out that there is still medicine and education and a communal apartment need to be paid. Yes, and high-quality food, not from chemistry. Once in the USSR, it was almost all free, but they exchanged it all for rags. And again: 0255 is this your IQ? Once again, I advise you, get out of the impoverished Belarus and go to a free Europe, as Ukraine is called. Good not far from you. There is all this sea. For re-education, as they say in the DPRK

[0255]

Quote: altel

0255 is you IQ probably like this? Put a comma in numbers after zero?

Why are you so confused by the nickname of the numbers?

Quote: altel

In order for all the wonders of a free life to buy money you need, and in South Korea, too, not everyone has the right amount of money.

As in any other country.

Quote: altel

In the Union I also dreamed of remembering under the Communists; we urgently need jeans, we want chewing gum, Coca-Cola, sneakers, so that the hut is like in a movie about America and a wheelbarrow yet. Well, did you get what you wanted in '91?

The members of the CPSU Central Committee themselves had decaying Western goods, while the people stood in kilometer-long queues for everything. If the communists had solved the problem of deficit, would not have banned imported goods, the population of the USSR would have no "soil" for dissatisfaction.

Quote: altel

I advise you once more, get out of the impoverished Belarus and go to a free Europe, so called Ukraine. Good not far from you. There is all this sea. For re-education, as they say in the DPRK

Offer me, who hates Bandera, to go to a country where these same Banderlog are considered "heroes"? You better go to North Korean "paradise"

[Anglorussian]

And why does aksakal himself prefer rotting Estonia?

0255 is your IQ probably like that?

[0255]

Quote: Anglorussian

And why does aksakal himself prefer rotting Estonia?

0255 is your IQ probably like that?

It’s normal for Kim fans to live in a capitalist country and love Juche from a distance.

[Anglorussian]

And hate the totalitarian father’s ...

This is normal for Kim fans.

[gladcu2]

0255
Isn’t the richest life in South Korea the highest suicide rate?

And of course, everyone directly sleeps and sees work for 12 or more hours a day, 7 days a week, with the hope of paying out an apartment the size of a rural toilet, in the third generation. Well, the confidence in tomorrow is directly rushing from all the cracks.

Or maybe I don’t understand something?

[0255]

Quote: gladcu2

0255
Isn’t the richest life in South Korea the highest suicide rate?

And of course, everyone directly sleeps and sees work for 12 or more hours a day, 7 days a week, with the hope of paying out an apartment the size of a rural toilet, in the third generation. Well, the confidence in tomorrow is directly rushing from all the cracks.

Or maybe I don’t understand something?

Do you also love the DPRK, but prefer to live in a decaying Canada, the litter country of the United States? Why didn’t we leave for the DPRK, with its juche-paradise?

[aksakal]

Quote: Oprychnik

In case of war, the South Koreans will have one motivation - to study the ideas of Juche!

- I’ll take one minus from you, I can no longer For there is a reason for your post A friend came recently, works in South Korea, showed a video, showed the famous "Gagnamstyle", this is not a song, this is a district in Seoul where all the youth of Seoul hang out. So, the guys there are completely metrosexual, painted, feminine, with manicure Can your critics imagine how "IT" will take a machine gun in hand and fight against tough North Korean guys? I cannot imagine it. But take the textbook ChUchkhe to start teaching it frantically with a frightened look - it seems easy, it will be so Or a hasty departure to Europe-Japan in the crowded holds of ocean liners - I can also easily imagine. I just can’t imagine them in the trenches with machine guns in their hands. Instead, dark-skinned or dark-skinned guys from a completely different country will die, so do not draw here

Quote: 0255

in the coffin these South Juchees saw your after a rich life under decaying capitalism. Therefore, the incentive to fight against Juche in the South Caucasus will be. Yes, it is better to die in a nuclear war than to live in North Korean. Kim fans from CIS countries accustomed to the Internet

- I'm not ready just, I have to ask this friend for a video, post these South Korean highlighted "macho" here, so that you would be convinced - even with the strongest motivation, these will not fight, because they are organically incapable

[Anglorussian]

He will go to battle for food three times a day, a car in the parking lot, a vacation in the Philippines ... Believe me, he will. And what will the North Korean go to battle?

even with the strongest motivation, these will not fight, because they are not organically capable

[alicante11]

He will go to battle for food three times a day, a car in the parking lot, a vacation in the Philippines ...

No one will go into battle for this! They can kill there, and then who will go to the Philippines?

[Anglorussian]

No one will go into battle for this! They can kill there, and then who will go to the Philippines?

They will look at how their well-worn life is being taken away with an old Kalash in their hands? Then there’s no reason for anyone to fight, why should they kill anyway. Well, maybe Islamic fanatics.

[alicante11]

They will look at how their well-worn life is being taken away with an old Kalash in their hands? Then there’s no reason for anyone to fight, why should they kill anyway. Well, maybe Islamic fanatics.

They will tear their claws away from these "Kalash".

[Anglorussian]

They will tear their claws away from these "Kalash".

When they defeated Saddam, everything from army generals to couches claimed that the cowardly fat Americans would run away from Iraq, they had no fighting spirit, and the Americans did not know Russian, they took and defeated the invincible Saddam. Note that this was not even their war. So, black shooters rode. And no one escaped (among the Americans).

[Anglorussian]

They will tear their claws away from these "Kalash".

To backfill. IDF soldiers are very fond of traveling abroad, crawling with their own cars, drinking cocktails on the beach .. And they are dead to the possibility of doing this.

[altel]

Your "Tsakhal" at home in real life sleep with Galil in an embrace both in the army and in civilian life. They even walk to the toilet with weapons. Everywhere terrorists appear. You give them land in the third homeland of your England, otherwise together with "Tsakhal" you will search your homeland all your life.

[Anglorussian]

You give them land in the 3rd homeland of your England

And so they go here, and they can buy a house or land again, and they found their homeland and defended it. And the homeland does not keep them behind bars, and they do not run away. And what's wrong with owning a firearm?

[0255]

Quote: aksakal

A friend came recently, works in South Korea, showed a video, showed the famous "Gagnamstyle", this is not a song, this is a district in Seoul where all the youth of Seoul hang out. So, the guys there are completely metrosexual, painted, feminine, with manicure Can your critics imagine how "IT" will take a machine gun in hand and fight against tough North Korean guys? I cannot imagine it. But take the textbook ChUchkhe to start teaching it frantically with a frightened look - it seems easy, it will be so Or a hasty departure to Europe-Japan in the overcrowded holds of ocean liners - I can also easily imagine. But I just can't imagine them in the trenches with machine guns in their hands. Instead of them, dark-skinned or dark-skinned guys from a completely different country will die, so there is no need to draw here - I'm not ready just, I need to ask this friend for a video, post these South Korean highlighted "macho" here, so that you can be convinced - even if you have the strongest these motives will not fight, because they are organically incapable

Guys with manicure looking homosexual can be found in any country, including the CIS. But do not judge by them the whole country.

[0255]

Quote: aksakal

A friend came recently, works in South Korea, showed a video, showed the famous "Gagnamstyle", this is not a song, this is a district in Seoul where all the youth of Seoul hang out. So, the guys there are completely metrosexual, painted, feminine, with manicure Can your critics imagine how "IT" will take a machine gun in hand and fight against tough North Korean guys? I cannot imagine it. But take the textbook ChUchkhe to start teaching it frantically with a frightened look - it seems easy, it will be so Or a hasty departure to Europe-Japan in the overcrowded holds of ocean liners - I can also easily imagine. But I just can't imagine them in the trenches with machine guns in their hands. Instead of them, dark-skinned or dark-skinned guys from a completely different country will die, so there is no need to draw here - I'm not ready just, I need to ask this friend for a video, post these South Korean highlighted "macho" here, so that you can be convinced - even if you have the strongest these motives will not fight, because they are organically incapable

Guys with manicure looking homosexual can be found in any country, including the CIS. But do not judge by them the whole country.

[altel]

He lived in South Korea for 3 years. Believe me, there are enough beggars. People live in cardboard boxes, adjacent to skyscrapers. You should not trust the "independent" media. In Russia, too, according to their articles, bears walk the streets, etc.

[Anglorussian]

Well, in England there are homeless people. But the overwhelming majority of the population lives normally and does not dream of a North Korean paradise.

. Believe the beggars there enough.

[altel]

And the minority is the cost of democracy? To have enough room for a beer to rent?

[Anglorussian]

It’s enough for Canary and beer and for an apartment. And there’s no sense for a car in London. And I don’t want to go to the labor army of the sunly war baby doll.

And the minority is the cost of democracy? To have enough room for a beer to rent?

[alicante11]

In the event of a war with the DPRK, the South Koreans will have their own motivation - to fight so as not to live in such "happiness" as the North Koreans, with the prohibitions of everything and everyone, in poverty and hunger, praising the "great sun-like" Eun.

Oh, come on, in every capitalist country there is a poor layer and the South Caucasus is no exception. So there are a bunch of people who want to meet Kim in a cup of rice. And those who are accustomed to a good life will take by storm not the KPA fortifications, but motor ships leaving for Taiwan, Japan and the States. Because the dead do not need money.

[34 region]

Yak28! 07.35. And is LDNR armed with what equipment? Modern ships and submarines, the latest electronics? What is ISIL fighting in ISIS?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Region 34

. And is LDNR armed with what equipment?

It stands in service with what is in service with Russia. Ships and submarines with whom to fight? A complete electronics.

Quote: Region 34

? What is ISIL fighting in ISIS?

Including TOU 2.

[Marsblade]

"People are the strongest tower in the city" - I don't remember which of the wise men said ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: MarsBlade

"People are the strongest tower in the city

Yes, but Kim has one problem, his loyal subjects flee from his paradise from time to time.

[alicante11]

Yes, but Kim has one problem, his loyal subjects flee from his paradise from time to time.

Well, they’re also fleeing from Russia, and from the Baltic states and ... oh, horror, even from Israel!

[Anglorussian]

Well, they’re also fleeing from Russia, and from the Baltic states and ... oh, horror, even from Israel!

Not through electrified fences and machine-gun towers. The difference is approximately the same as between feces and chocolate.

[alicante11]

Not through electrified fences and machine-gun towers. The difference is approximately the same as between feces and chocolate.

Are you sure that all this is against the "refugees"? And not against those who want to come, and not at all in order to say "hello".

[Anglorussian]

Such barriers are used only against unarmed people. Or can you armor armadas from a machine-gun tower?

[0255]

Quote: Anglorussian

Or tank armada can be skewed from a machine-gun tower?

With the power of juche - you can

[xetai9977]

Again, an article about the great and mighty North Korean army ... Archaic weapons in modern warfare not only cannot be defeated, but it is also impossible to resist effectively. It is foolish to oppose Kim’s army to the US-South Korean tandem. North Koreans are guaranteed to be gouged. I can’t believe that someone will go to war there. The Americans do not need this, because thanks to the stupid Kim, they have an excuse to keep a strong group there. The South Koreans also have nothing to put at risk Seoul. The country is dynamically developing and gaining strength. The thing will end with the fact that the North Koreans themselves will sooner or later want to live in the South ......

[0255]

Quote: xetai9977

The thing will end with the fact that the North Koreans themselves will sooner or later want to live in the South ......

North Koreans, ungrateful to the "great sun-like" Kim, are already fleeing to the South Caucasus, for some reason they do not appreciate poverty, hunger and the prohibitions of everything that is possible.

[altel]

The overseas news portal military.com regularly talks about sniper dueling in Afghanistan, Syria and Iraq. At the same time, high firing accuracy on the part of the militants is noted. In particular, the incident in the Afghan province of Helmand, where the British military engineer Darren Foster was shot, received great public response. He was at a guard post equipped with thick bulletproof glass, there was only one small gap - a loophole for return fire. It was through her that a killer’s bullet flew in. According to reports, the shot was fired from a long distance. In addition to the Briton, two marines were also killed and two more were seriously injured.

Former US "Afghan", Marine Sergeant Carlos Brown, made an interesting assumption. Sofa strategists believe that in the future war combat robots, heavy drones, precision missiles, Raptor class fighters and super tanks will win, ”says Carlos Brown. - So it will be at the first stage when it is necessary to shift the government, which is inconvenient for America. But then, enemy sniper fans firing for a mile and a half will put an end to the dominance of the expeditionary forces. I know of several major military operations that were canceled due to the tag of an action movie. In the end, we will not, like the Germans in World War II, conduct reprisals and execute one hundred local residents for each shot

[Anglorussian]

There are no more such snipers in the world than those who operate on an open heart. And preparing such a sniper is at least as difficult.

snipers shooting for one and a half miles

[altel]

You chamora did not even get into the army. Neither the Tsakhal, nor the army of Her Majesty, but you sit talking about snipers.

[Anglorussian]

Neither the Tsakhal, nor the army of Her Majesty,

I have experience dealing with weapons more than most of the conscripts of the great Kazakhstan — even units inaccessible to your military sold in stores in Latvia. In Estonia, do the same, right? And my wife did not let me into the British army.

, sitting about snipers talk.

You never lived in the West, but you also reason.

[altel]

Does the Saudi’s new armament help? In 8-12 years, you can train a completely different soldier (for the DPRK army). In a protracted conflict, not 100% of the soldiers will be at war with night vision devices, Glonass systems and satellite communications. Fighting and motivation no one has canceled.

[Deniska999]

If something like the "Desert Storm" of 1991 is carried out against the DPRK, I think it will hardly stand.

[34 region]

Denisk999! 08.02/XNUMX. Why not! Probably being written? But in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya for some reason they were bold. Why?

[0255]

Quote: 34 region

Denisk999! 08.02/XNUMX. Why not! Probably being written? But in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya for some reason they were bold. Why?

maybe they didn’t specially touch Kim to use his country as a kind of scarecrow to justify his presence in the Pacific region?

[razmik72]

Quote: 34 region

Denisk999! 08.02/XNUMX. Why not! Probably being written? But in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya for some reason they were bold. Why?

And who needs him, this cheap blackmailer Kim, to attack him and waste resources? They need him as a scarecrow.

[Chisayna]

This blackmailer didn’t shoot Russian paratroopers in the back, unlike the Fedaines. And in general the USSR helped North Korea, and Russia practically does not help. And the DPRK does not live without Russian help. What can not be said about Armenia. With your help, your country was formed.

[razmik72]

Quote: Chisain

This blackmailer didn’t shoot Russian paratroopers in the back, unlike the Fedaines. And in general the USSR helped North Korea, and Russia practically does not help. And the DPRK does not live without Russian help. What can not be said about Armenia. With your help, your country was formed.

What kind of attacks on my country? We are discussing North Korea and its ruler here, and here the fidains

[Chisayna]

Did this cheap blackmailer blackmail you personally?

[Oprychnik]

Well. Collect kagal, like the Americans in Libya ... How many more we have, on the head of the weak ... Horror!

[godofwar6699]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Are you from the DPRK Embassy in Moscow?

100 percent

[Dimon19661]

The main problem for South Korea is the DPRK barrel artillery, which can calmly strike at Seoul. And these are huge casualties among the civilian population, and there is no way to quickly evacuate a huge metropolis. There are few chances against the South Korean army.

[0255]

Quote: Dimon19661

The North has little chance against the South Korean army.

Now fans of Kim will tell us that cool Kim will tear everyone in one spirit juche

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Dimon19661

DPRK barrel artillery

And the southerners will calmly observe how they are being hit? What can the destruction of a big city give in purely military terms ...? Well, if they start to strike, the city can undergo significant destruction (but not critical, because for this you need to methodically beat large caliber and not in areas). The South Koreans begin to leave for bomb shelters, and at this time the Southerners and Americans begin to hit the detected targets, previously designated and airfields, and aviation rises into the air. Who will be the supremacy in the air and at sea? the borders and 22 km to the capital are unusually saturated with means of defense. In fact, this is one continuous SD about which the steel avalanche of Kim's not modernized army will break off its teeth (in parallel, it will have to repulse a couple of sharp counter-attacks and dispatch significant forces to defend the coast, since the southerners and the Americans are not fools and will not passively give up the initiative to the enemy.) Even on the approach to the border, their deployment will be greatly hampered by the dominance of the southerners in the air or For example, the sudden mining of the attack range and a bunch of other unpleasant surprises. Even if Kim takes Seoul, this will not decide the outcome of the war, but will decide the outcome of the war only by capturing the entire territory of the South Caucasus and retaining control over it. I believe that the North and South are in a stalemate in terms of combat opportunities, if the equipment of the southerners is opposed by the large number of northerners (and nevertheless the northerners are weaker). And their spirit and the idea of ​​Jucheism ... it's still to be seen. The southerners, too, are still "animals" --- they will definitely not raise their legs to the top. The policies of the South Caucasus and the DPRK are very dependent on Washington and Beijing, and these giants do not intend to go into insane hand-to-hand combat.

[Lord blacwood]

Kim Il Sung also took Seoul, but did not win it.

[Bongo]

Delivered publications "-", because it’s hack, not an article ... Previously, Khramchikhin prepared the material with a better quality, but in his last publications, he wrote a lot of blunders. The author does not consider it necessary to use relevant reference material, as a result, the article is solid jambs. For example:

The KPA tank fleet has up to 4 thousands of main and at least 250 light tanks. The oldest are the Soviet T-54 and T-55

The oldest are the T-34-85 still in operation.

1 regiment OTR R-17 (28 launchers, flight range - 300 km), as well as those created on the basis of the R-17 OTR "Hwasong-5"

PTRK 9K72 The Elbrus with the R-17 missile was never delivered to the DPRK. OTRK Hwasong-5 is an unlicensed copy of the 9K72 Elbrus. In the DPRK, several OTRK 9K72 "Elbrus" illegally came from Egypt in the early 80's.

from 18 to 27 attack aircraft Su-7

Su-7B fighter-bombers were written off to the DPRK more than 10 years ago.

It consists of the 2 regiment (6 divisions) S-200 air defense systems, 36 S-41 air defense division, 75 S-246 air defense missile systems (32 PU), and at least KN-XNXX air defense air defense division (KN-XN PU). KN-125 is a local version of the Soviet S-128PT / PS or the Chinese HQ-06.

Data on the number of air defense systems are inflated at least 2 times.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Bongo

I put publications "-", since this is hack, not an article

Sergei, looking at the number of military and political experts who came out of nowhere, I recall the early 90s. Thousands of new authors on the shelves of bookstores, on all sorts of topics, the lion's share of crime. This rubbish was impossible to read by a person with even a little understanding of the topic. Nevertheless, the books were in great demand. The fashion was such. Today, the fashion for forecast and expert opinion in the fields of politics and the army. This does not bring a bad income to the authors. It takes time for people to sort out amateurs from pros. 5 years will pass and no one will remember the names of most of today's "experts" , the pros will remain, and the times of the Khramchikhins and Kabardins will go down in history.

[Bongo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

. 5 years will pass and no one will remember the names of the majority of today's "experts", there will be pros, and the times of the Khramchikhins and Kabardins will go down in history.

Most likely it will be so. But I would be ashamed to do the job so poorly, especially since Khramchikhin is the deputy director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis. But even I am a simple "signalman" I understand that he writes garbage.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Bongo

Khramchikhin - Deputy Director of the Institute for Political and Military Analysis

Yeah
The Institute for Political and Military Analysis is an independent, non-governmental organization formed in 1996. The first IPVA projects were informational and analytical support for the candidacy of B.N. Yeltsin in the presidential election
The Institute’s employees participated in the preparation of election campaigns for legislative and executive authorities in several regions of the Central, Far Eastern, Siberian Federal Districts, and in the development of program and statutory documents for political parties: “Democratic Choice of Russia”, “Our Home Russia,” “Union of Right Forces "," Unity "; participated in the reconstruction in the Russian Federation of the system of "people's houses", which existed until 1997
Take money as the basis of such institutions. Big money.

[Bongo]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Take money as the basis of such institutions. Big money.

Who contains them now, do they really live off the budget?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Bongo

Who contains them now, do they really live off the budget?

I do not know Sergey, this institute is more reminiscent of the office of the Horn and the Hoof. Registered capital 10 thousand rubles One of the founders, two pretzels, contributed 2.5 thousand each. Those who breathe are unclear. At our admin, it is much easier to collect and is more open. And there everything is in mysteries.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I don't know Sergey

I know. This is NK O. They have specialists and opportunities to competently collect and analyze materials on a military topic. But they are not state employees, so interesting materials may not get into the media, but such masquerade propaganda, which he probably for 2 hours "piled up" while sitting at the computer. And simple and difficult are people sitting in non-profit organizations.

[Kenneth]

The DPRK army consists of a hungry poorly trained contingent intended mainly for free economic work. They have neither the fuel for training, nor the normal quantity of ammunition due to lack of resources. All their achievements in the conversion of the Soviet legacy. In the event of a conflict, only a small number of partisan fanatics will be in danger, because an army deprived of mobility will be defeated in places of deployment.

[0255]

Quote: Kenneth

The DPRK army consists of a hungry poorly trained contingent intended mainly for free economic work. They have neither the fuel for training, nor the normal quantity of ammunition due to lack of resources. All their achievements in the conversion of the Soviet legacy. In the event of a conflict, only a small number of partisan fanatics will be in danger, because an army deprived of mobility will be defeated in places of deployment.

only when does this fact reach Kim fans?

[altel]

The DPRK savages launch satellites and have their own spaceport. You should not compare them with the savages. As they want, they live like that.

[0255]

Quote: altel

As they want, they live.

North Koreans live the way their "sun-faced" Kim wants.

[aksakal]

Quote: 0255

North Koreans live the way their "sun-faced" Kim wants.

- Well, not for you, Belarusians should judge Kim. For me, so your dad is not far from the degree of authoritarianism from Una left, and in many ways even surpassed Una.
I do this even without personal assessments. And if you even go down to them, Duc Eun at least does not cheat, but your daddy constantly takes advantage of the moment and tries to ... t everyone around, up to the point that "grows shrimp and right in the potato field!" - there is no joke at all in this joke from KVN. So take care of your troubles, Belarus is just as incapable of launching missiles as the DPRK, but the inhabitants all strive to condemn the DPRK, not noticing the log in their own eyes The DPRK, even if it’s obsolete, but its own, doesn’t beg for weapons from anyone, but the Old Man constantly begs, because there is no money, it even becomes awkward to look at Belarusians, but no, it sits here alone and condemns Eun Asserts itself however Probably nice to see those who are worse than you? Only about "worse" you are mistaken, for me (perhaps I am mistaken), because the humanitarian situation in Belarus is even worse than in the DPRK.

[Anglorussian]

Why not in the DPRK?

the humanitarian situation in Belarus is even worse than in the DPRK

Or is it more pleasant in a decaying geyrop?

[Kenneth]

And they cannot feed themselves

[altel]

Is 700gr of rice a day for three a lot or a little? But they have a blockade. Credits are not given to them. They die of hunger only in your "free" press. Kenneth, do people in the freest country in your country starve by chance? Does everyone have their own home?

[Anglorussian]

Does everyone have their own housing?

Do you have in Estonia? Is it not disgusting to live apart from the brilliant, immortal ideas rotting chukhta in a rented apartment?

[0255]

Quote: Anglorussian

Does everyone have their own housing?

Do you have in Estonia? Is it not disgusting to live apart from the brilliant, immortal ideas rotting chukhta in a rented apartment?

[Anglorussian]

And in stats private traders launch rockets.

DPRK savages launch satellites and has its own spaceport

And by the way, they fly where necessary. So what?

[altel]

Where is England a spaceport? there, like just now, a witch, this queen boasted that they were only going to build?

[Anglorussian]

What for? If it’s not profitable, it’s too expensive a business. You can borrow from your French friends. And satellites are built here in full cycle, without Chinese details.

Where is England a spaceport?

[Garris199]

Quote: Kenneth

will be defeated in places of deployment.

And first of all, not because of lack of mobility, but because of the complete superiority of South Korea in the air.
Even G.K. Zhukov said "grave grief awaits the country that will be unable to repel an air strike." In 41m, he felt it fully. So the Juche will make a big suck of the South Korean Air Force, because the air defense and air force of the Juche is almost complete rubbish.

[Old26]

Oh, ANALitik Khramchikhin is now also engaged in Korea? Chinese threat to him is not enough?

Quote: Militon

Korean people's army, the most motivated army. This must also be taken into account.

Motivation is good. In addition to motivation, normal weapons are also needed.

Quote: Deniska999

If something like the "Desert Storm" of 1991 is carried out against the DPRK, I think it will hardly stand.

At one time I came across the journal Vestnik PVO (modern, and not from the time of the USSR). Before the disbandment, the air regiment was with a vulture, then removed. it was very well described how the Americans clogged the Iraqis with obstacles, creating their density several times higher than necessary.

As for the North Korean army. Maybe in combined arms combat it will be a force (do not underestimate it), but in sum - the army armed with a mass of obsolete weapons, and it will not cause any problems of different types (look at the same artillery). As our VKS did not create the problem of ISIS.

[EDP]

Well, not completely devoid of mobility, and for the first time there is enough ammunition and fuel. The stupid ammunition in Syria has shown its effectiveness, and the northerners have enough of them to provide a sea of ​​fire.

[Kenneth]

Yes, they’ll have 50 kilometers to advance. If they start unexpectedly and first. Any movements will be monitored and since they are tied to roads - instantly destroyed by aviation, the DPRK aviation is not considered at all like their air defense. Barrel artillery, by the way, too, because any attempts to move will be crushed by the same aircraft as the supply of ammunition. Tank units, before meeting with the first ATGMs and any. Fleet - here the Americans will strive to chase their submarines because there are many. Although not the fact that many will be able to get into position.
The ONLY danger - when they are driven into the mountains, the remaining special units can spoil the blood of opponents.

[altel]

Seoul is 22 km from the border, and with the first artillery volleys there will be nothing left of it. 50 km is definitely enough for them. Geography is studied in "independent" Russia

[Kenneth]

The capture of Seoul does not guarantee a war. What has been proven. Seoul direction is most likely covered especially. But in Estonia there is no concept of geography at all. There, geography is replaced by direction and the required number of steps.

[altel]

Seoul’s area is 600 sq. Km and you don’t miss. Yes, and your warriors are enough there. Will the southerners make such sacrifices? The northerners will be able to starve. Like the Japanese in the event of war and suffer deprivation, but the southerners will not. How will your fighters fight without taverns and with heavy losses ? They will be enough for a long time7 For democracy in Korea they will go under the tanks? They will not start to desert and shoot?

[Vadim237]

The Americans will strive to chase their submarines - until the first nuclear torpedo, from the submarines of the DPRK.

[Photon]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Oprychnik

In-in. And I about that.

And I about the fact that in North Korea they were devoured a long time ago.

How so ?! I read that there dogs fed disgraced leaders

[Orionvit]

Quote: Militon

Normal they are helmsman. Shelkopers of all stripes lie a lot about him, they make a fiend of hell out of him. Do not bend overseas abomination. The people of Korea deserve respect for their stamina and pride. They do not bow their heads in spite of enormous difficulties.

I don’t think that the devil is as scary as he is painted. Have you seen this Korea? If you don’t know where, you won’t find it. The modern army is a huge resource for its maintenance, which Korea does not have. In my opinion, all the power there is only in parades, and the rest of the soldiers, as in the late Soviet era, are a free slave. power. In the event of an armed conflict, this army will not last long, again due to resources. Well, they do not bend to the west, so what? If you adequately assess North Korea, if it exists as a scarecrow in the Far East, then someone needs this. In order to apologize to show off, you need to be strong, at least like Russia. I don’t know how in fighting spirit, but it’s just silly to compare the north with South Korea, for the same reason of resource supply, they even have nothing to eat in the north, constant hunger. The maximum that they can do is toss their hats. I don’t believe about all these missiles, countries tried to produce steeper things and didn’t succeed. If they are, then they fly nearby and every other time. You can zaminusat, only I really thought, and did not rely on various anti-American propaganda.

[Oprychnik]

Just such bullshit is being driven just by those who have never been in the Soviet Union! A new generation of nonsense has grown up, it’s a pity that my mother didn’t have an abortion. And, this stuffed animal is trying to teach everyone else the right life .... We have no future .. .

[0255]

Quote: Oprychnik

We have no future ...

go to the DPRK for a bright Juche-future

[Oprychnik]

I don’t have those years to chase distant countries into a bright future. Idiots, like you, have time to explain that it’s not in a self-moving cart with Life spools hanging on it, and not in sausage made from starch and soy, but your head, not burdened with thoughts.

[0255]

Quote: Oprychnik

I don’t have those years in order to drive distant countries to a bright future.

The standard excuse for any fan of Kim who loves Juche only at a distance who does not live like the North Koreans.

[altel]

0255. Why go to Korea? It is better to immediately Go to Europa-To Ukraine. Just there, after 100 years without visas, you can go to Europa. Free country, grub "from the belly" of the Internet, entertainment sea, taverns, cinema, freedom! If you want, don't Pasha. You 0225 haven't been to kindergarten for a long time?

[Anglorussian]

Why do you yourself change your homeland with Estonia? Or, on a spy mission, get hold of a sontelike battle reagent called sproti?

0255. Why to Korea? Better immediately to Europe

[Oprychnik]

It is good that Eun is a good example of the fact that not everyone in the world has been able to sell their homeland for chewing gum!

[St_tov]

The conclusion, in the last sentence, is somewhat ambiguous, don’t you? And in general, I would like to hear how life in the USSR made it possible to find the meaning of life. And on the contrary, as the last stage of capitalism, prevents this very meaning from being found? For me it’s so absolute the same, that on the forehead, that on the forehead. Even, I would say, under imperialism, to be a techie, where it is sweeter, but a political instructor, that’s yes — only socialism.

[Kenneth]

Judging by the flag they have their kimirsen

[aksakal]

Quote: 0255

go to the DPRK for a bright Juche-future

- sit in the present with your dad, which is not in the eyes of the world community, but even in our eyes on the same level as Eun - that of authoritarianism, that of personal development Duc your Old Man is also a swindler, does not hesitate to grow "shrimp and right in the potato field" That would be someone to laugh at the Koreans

[Anglorussian]

in our eyes on par with Eun

You have slanting eyes ..

[altel]

Have you become a Englishman for a long time? Have you got rid of a small town accent?

[Anglorussian]

Have you become Vanya a long time ago?

Alexey I, my dear Talgat-bye. Yes, I got rid of the accent long ago. When I speak French, British accent (verified in France). And you Talgat Bai when the Estonian articles managed? And DPRK love it?

[altel]

Alyosha, son. I have not forgotten your name yet. Alex dubbed there? Flattering probably? In a civilized society have you been talking?

[Anglorussian]

Alyosha is a son.

I’m better an orphan .. And my name is Alex, right. According to the passport of Alexey.

[Verdun]

In general, the noticeable technical backwardness of the KPA is largely compensated for by the huge amount of weapons, equipment and personnel, a good level of combat training and fanaticism of military personnel. In addition, the KPA is very well adapted to operations in mountainous conditions. This makes it a dangerous opponent even for the three strongest armies in the world (American, Chinese, Russian) and completely invincible for all the rest.

As for "invincible" - this is a clear overkill. They were invincible when the military and economic might of the USSR stood behind them, and their Chinese comrades fought shoulder to shoulder. But it is a fact that in the climate and terrain of the Korean Peninsula, many of the advantages of modern weapons are leveled. Tank wedges and point ammunition are unlikely to roll there.

[unknown]

Quote: Militon

Normal they are helmsman. Shelkopers of all stripes lie a lot about him, they make a fiend of hell out of him. Do not bend overseas abomination. The people of Korea deserve respect for their stamina and pride. They do not bow their heads in spite of enormous difficulties.

Especially when you consider that dollars for Asia are printed in the DPRK. Another "Infant Terribl".
As long as he is "brought in" within the bounds allotted for him, nothing will happen to him. And he decides to go against the will of the owners, ends up like Saddam or Gaddafi.

[ALEA IACTA EST]

Number is nothing: proved under Ramnik and Ulm.

[fa2998]

Quote: Sergey-8848

the transition of a huge amount to some, but quality.

Can you explain how a lot of brigades, regiments and individual battalions of airborne forces, special forces (numbering several tens of thousands of people) -with the complete absence of transport aircraft (a dozen obsolete aircraft) -will grow into quality. They will grow wings, or like the USSR in the Second World War - used landing corps as infantry?

[fa2998]

Quote: altel

Seoul is 22 km from the border, and with the first artillery volleys there will be nothing left of it. 50 km is definitely enough for them. Geography is studied in "independent" Russia

We teach both geography and history. Stalingrad was shelled and bombed for months, Leningrad for years! And so they could not take it. And after the first volleys, counter-battery fire will begin, and the United States (and others) will send aviation and Tomahawks. It won't seem enough!

[altel]

There are buildings of 15-20 floors. There is a lot of crowds. Young people need comics. Internet, as they explained here, clothes. Wheelbarrows. They will start crying. China will certainly intervene. There will also be little. DPRK and nuclear charges can be used, because not only Americans have them is. From Stalingrad and St. Petersburg, part of the population managed to evacuate. Yes, and the weapons of destruction are now many times more powerful.

[maximghost]

And someone found photographs of the Soho frigate on the Internet, it’s really interesting to look at what kind of miraculous judo it is.

[svp67]

Quote: maximghost

And someone found photographs of the Soho frigate on the Internet, it’s really interesting to look at what kind of miraculous judo it is.

There is a photo from space. It is believed that it is the largest one with a large aft platform.

[Bersaglieri]

"Laiba" with near-zero combat value.

[Des10]

Having tasted the new freedoms, prosperity and opportunities for enrichment - and having forgotten the country's recent past, many simply do not understand the principles: "self-reliance" and "everything for the army." Of course, there is nothing good in a dictatorship, but this is their way, specificity.
As orders in S. Arabia, the massacre in the state of Africa, the lawlessness of the United States. Specificity.
And here, the fact that the DPRK exists, lives - and our country under I.V. Stalin - WAS.
I wish the Koreans prosperity. And for us. )

[cedar]

With all the shortcomings: a small territory, a lack of literally everything. North Korea demonstrates the ability not only to survive in the most difficult conditions of the blockade, but what is most important and instructive for us, is strength ideas juche. Exactly ideology rallies the North Korean people and makes it possible to significantly compensate for material shortcomings. Reliance on your own spiritual forces made North Korea the tenth space power, with nuclear energy and weapons, which inevitably implies the existence of an appropriate level of science and education, and again, clear state planning and goal setting not possible without ideology! That is, everything that was in the USSR and not in Russia.
Article 13 of "our" Constitution sentenced Russia to ideological diversity, more precisely to political disgrace. And it is not for us to criticize the army and the country, welded together by a single idea, for backwardness - a speck in the eye, when we ourselves have a beam that is long overdue to take out, changing a number of articles of "our" Constitution. It's time to discard the ideological crutches slipped into us by the trap and rely on our own spiritual forces cast into the state ideology of Russia!

[Oprychnik]

You summed up the discussion very well. We should help North Korea. Our neighbor is our neighbor. Not some Mozambique, which at one time shoved billions. The son worked on Sakhalin as the eldest, many migrant workers were North Koreans. No one escaped. In addition to those who did not beat the horns for the abduction of the dogs. The son also made history in connection with this. 1000 greens were enough for the dog thief to have, after severe bodily injuries, the happy patient had to leave for their historical homeland.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Oprychnik

We need to help North Korea. Our neighbor

It’s necessary to help .. The Union here too .. helped:

Quote: http://izvestia.ru/news/535550#ixzz49Iy0SFNE

Russia and the DPRK signed an agreement on Monday to regulate North Korean debt to Russia. Moscow will forgive Pyongyang about 90% of North Korean debt of $ 11 billion for loans issued by the former USSR. The remaining debt in the amount of $ 1 billion will be used under the “debt for help” scheme in the field of education, healthcare and energy in the implementation of joint projects in the DPRK

Is this not enough? Need more?

Quote: http://izvestia.ru/news/535550#ixzz49IyxoxaM

In the 1990s, North Korea was experiencing another economic crisis, and Pyongyang finally suspended the payment of debt.

At the same time, the guys said: "We borrowed from the USSR, but the USSR no longer exists .. to whom are we now going to repay the debt?"

[Oprychnik]

This is our way.)))) Recognizable. With one hand we take (UN sanctions), with the other we forgive the debt. And we just don’t know much.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Oprychnik

And we just don’t know much

- naturally .. but help somehow - do you still need to? Or wait a while?

Quote: Oprychnik

UN sanctions

- in response to a nuclear program? Talk to people with DV, they are here - do they need a lick grenade nuclear missile at hand?

[Oprychnik]

Yes, it’s not scary, somehow Eun with his toys. The sailor will not offend the child. Somewhere here squeezed it already.

[Bersaglieri]

A poor state with a masochistic and psychopathic population at its head. I think that China will soon finally solve the "Juche problem".

[Mountain shooter]

This reminds me of the argument, who is stronger, a fighter with a knife, or a tank? The answer is not obvious. The tank is in the forest, and the fighter is a real fighter. And a tank cannot escape from such a fighter if he leaps onto the tower and blocks the viewing slots with the material at hand. And spin until the fuel runs out ... North Koreans are serious fighters, and motivated to the limit. Recently I watched the World Weightlifting Championship. There their girl got a leg injury and won silver with an injury! She could not walk - but "on her teeth" came out over and over again. The pain is hellish, but she comes out on her own, the coach did not drive her. If there are even half of the fighters like that, in their mountains any army will be washed in blood. And mind you - they have whole sniper brigades! This is the nightmare of any American general. A sniper squad can stop a battalion attack - without any machine guns. And there are whole brigades, and not just one!

[Anglorussian]

From helicopters, snipers will be sent to Chucche-Valhalla. They can be seen farther through the thermal imager, and missiles are sure to hit.

The sniper squad can stop the attack of the battalion - without any machine guns.

[0255]

Quote: Anglorussian

From helicopters, snipers will be sent to Chucche-Valhalla. They can be seen farther through the thermal imager, and missiles are sure to hit.

The sniper squad can stop the attack of the battalion - without any machine guns.

No, no, the power of Juche will save Kim snipers from helicopters and thermal imagers - say Kim fans and will continue to believe in the invincibility of a country that they love at a distance

[alicante11]

From helicopters, snipers will be sent to Chucche-Valhalla. They can be seen farther through the thermal imager, and missiles are sure to hit.

Previously, the Igloi helicopter would be treated to a hunt for snipers.

[Anglorussian]

Previously, the Igloi helicopter would be treated to a hunt for snipers.

And what is the noise immunity of a complex from 70? Zero. And now they can beat from unreachable distances for needles. Or does the idea of ​​a chucche really add +500 to invisibility and +600 to health?

[alicante11]

And what is the noise immunity of a complex from 70?

And what kind of interference is "Needle" scary? Perhaps only heat traps. Well, so far it will "hunt", and uses everything.

[Anglorussian]

If even thermal traps easily depreciate the needle, then more modern jammers will not leave the slightest chance. And how it uses it flies after reloading. At the same time, precise stocks will replenish the stock. And its ceiling is 3,5 km. What gives the helicopter stupidly shooting the targets of Kaka during the exercises.

[Bersaglieri]

They do not have modern "Needles". Only "Arrows" and their clones from stocks 30 years ago.

[St_tov]

I remember that about 15 years ago, they printed a story (almost A. Prokhanov) about the translators he got in North Korea. The trip was agreed a month in advance. After arriving, a boy and a girl were attached to him. They chirped quite briskly in Russian, although the vocabulary corresponded to the beginning of the twentieth century. In short, they were summoned to the local Komsomol organization, given out textbooks of the Russian language, published by St. Petersburg in 1899, and told to learn it in three weeks. By heart. Then an old woman from the White Guard emigration talked to them for another five days. The translator is ready. Attempts to talk children about the consequences of a possible failure were unsuccessful. I wonder if remote Juche followers are ready for such experiments on their children / grandchildren? And about the adults - like the oprichnik. Throw now the cry of comrade Zyuganov - you need to win the next CASP, you only need a head, a PC, and the Internet. And the reward is a million in dollars (real by the way, and not even one). In the name of the all-conquering doctrine. Well, do you think we will win? Nor are the North Koreans. This is to the question of "hellish pain", and the fact that the guardsmen are good on the towers, and nothing more.

[RAA]

The stupid article! DPRK is degrading and the end is inevitable.

[RedBaron]

As long as they play the assigned role of a useful iniota no one will attack them, tension from a monkey with a nuclear grenade at the border of the Far East and China .... this ceases to say so.
By the way, this is understood by both China and Russia and supported all UN sanctions.

[DOMINO]

It is clear that in relation to the small and expensive equipment of the 5th generation, the DPRK's amia looks archaic. However, all these comments above about her "impotence" and insignificance - seem to me stupid, because there are examples in the world before my eyes - the same Afghanistan. For 30 YEARS they have been fighting there without precision weapons with a completely destroyed industrial base. The USSR has retired rather ingloriously, the supermodern USA has been stuck for decades - i.e. also by ... It is clear that there is politics \ heroin \ money \ weapons, but still imagine at least for a minute that suddenly tomorrow the Afghans-mujahideen would get their hands on all these thousands of Korean barrels and hundreds of anti-aircraft missiles, etc. according to the list, and even debugged production with qualifications. technical personnel, Yes, and NUCLEAR WEAPONS !!! + a similar mountain landscape of the DPRK with its specifics of a grueling "eternal" guerrilla war ... + the motivation of mobilized professional Koreans - after all, indeed, then, as at the beginning of the comments they wrote, "whoever walks, will wash blood "!!!. Isn't this a vivid real operating example that even a small smoldering local conflict can seriously undermine the forces of even a superpower, and a couple of three is already an unbearable burden ?!
PS: Yemen vs Saudis is also a good example. Again the same story - mountains, motivation, guerrilla warfare, etc. against the "modern army".

[Anglorussian]

Afghans can feed themselves.

the same Afghanistan.

[alicante11]

The main problem of the KPA in particular and the DPRK in general is complete defenselessness from air strikes. The DPRK, by definition, even if it is capitalist, does not have sufficient resources to fight amers in the sky. Neither aviation nor air defense systems. Therefore, spending very limited resources on an aerial race that cannot be won would be foolish. But at the same time, this is a huge problem, as the campaigns in Iraq and Libya have shown. What does the worst thing to do with this is the shackling of maneuverability of troops.
As a result, the DPRK solved this problem as follows. Given the short front, the extremely rugged terrain and the doom to fight in the pre-war grouping (with the possible exception of the Special Forces), it is necessary to have enough troops to be able to counterstrike in any possible direction of the breakthrough "shortly", without maneuvering. Hence the huge amount of military equipment. And, accordingly, its low manufacturability.
And it is very strange to read that the DPRK wants to attack someone there. Is it really not clear that as soon as the KPA makes a breakthrough of the front and enters operational space, its maneuverability will be constrained by enemy aircraft, and its ground forces will be able to regroup and launch counter-attacks at that moment and in that group of forces that will be most advantageous to him. What kind of attack can we talk about here?

[Vadim237]

We don’t know what Un’s hidden, maybe the DPRK has already created a nuclear warhead for the air defense system.

[Anglorussian]

But what about an over-sung needle?

DPRK in general - complete defenselessness from air strikes. At

[alicante11]

But what about an over-sung needle?

And you TTX needles in the know? There we are talking about a helicopter, not about aviation. Well, so that the planes do not fly too low and spend expensive high-precision b / p for scrap.

[Lord blacwood]

The North Korean is very behind in armament. But the mountainous terrain and nuclear weapons compensate for this. For example, it is possible to suppress the DPRK air defense, but it is not known where the nuclear weapons are. True, this is only enough for defense, but enough to contain.
But there will be no war. After all, nobody will "liberate" the DPRK, if only for economic reasons. After all, if the ROK and the US win, the ROK will get 24 million people, and this threatens the Southerners with an economic catastrophe.