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Leonid Ivashov intends to continue to fight

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Leonid Ivashov intends to continue to fight



The CEC’s refusal to register Colonel General Leonid Ivashov as a presidential candidate was perceived by him as a “spit in the face” for those who supported him.

I passed the first stage of screening out potential candidates for the presidency of Russia: the Central Election Commission registered candidates nominated by initiative groups of voters, and thus formed a preliminary “short list” of candidates for the first post. Alas, this list did not include Colonel General Leonid G. Ivashov, previously nominated by the patriotic community.

Glasno voiced reason - technical. Like, representatives of the general were not honored to notify the representatives of the CEC of the Russian Federation or the territorial election commission on time of the meeting held by the initiative group. "Ivashovtsy" in perplexity: not only notified, as it should, but the representatives of the Central Election Commission themselves were present at the meeting. The letter of the law was not trampled on an iota, however, as it turned out, simple legal rigor was not enough here. Something miraculous happened in the space-time dimension inside the building of the Central Election Commission, where the ball reigns, as we were told at the highest level, a magician, magician and magician, almost copied from the Harry Potter book. Anyway, Leonid Ivashov, who came to the meeting, was put before the fact about the focus held: the commission was informed about the meeting at the wrong time; therefore, the procedure is violated; therefore, registration is denied.

Only Leonid Ivashov, as a simple Soviet general, was not accustomed to such attractions. The military are not magicians and think in categories of conscience, duty and honor. And their “stylistic differences” with the position of the Central Election Commission and the policy of the authorities who failed the candidate stated in his address published on the website “President-for-the people” of the Russian Federation:

“December 10 2011 was attended by representatives of the Central Election Commission (CEC) at the meeting of the initiative group at my nomination as presidential candidate, who publicly confirmed that all the necessary procedures of the CEC were observed, recognized the last vote as legitimate and legitimate. Representatives of the CEC signed all the necessary legally relevant documents, ”he reminded his voters, and, perhaps, first of all, the CEC himself Leonid Ivashov. In light of this, the refusal to register him as a presidential candidate, the colonel-general, regarded as primarily a cynical "spit in the face" for those who supported him.
The calculation of power, Ivashov notes, is simple: the court will be on his side, since the presence of representatives of the Central Election Commission at the meeting of the initiative group is obvious, as is the case with all the procedures prescribed by law. However, it will be possible to start collecting signatures only after the court decision, and it will be ready for 1-2 the day before the end of the collection stage of 2 million signatures. In such a short time, it is not physically possible to collect such a number of them, which means that the second refusal will already be legally undeniable.

In conclusion, the general said that the struggle was not over. Rather, it is - even more likely its beginning. “I cannot deceive the trust of my voters and therefore I start a campaign of uniting and consolidating statesmen on the basis of a practical program of bringing the country out of a political crisis. We will not allow a catastrophe and the destruction of the Russian state. "

During his speech to the initiative group, Colonel-General Leonid Ivashov called his participation in the presidential race "the last battle." The general is not accustomed to fighting, whether real battles or strategic, intellectual battles. But this fight with impenetrable cynicism of a shaky and uncontrollable state machine - it is really “the hardest”.

In a conversation with a KM.RU columnist, a close associate of Colonel General - First Vice President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, First Rank Captain, Doctor of Military Sciences Konstantin Sivkov told about his vision of the reasons for the removal of Leonid Ivashov from presidential election Leonid Ivashov.

- The main reason for the refusal to register Ivashov is the danger of his real competition with Putin and the other nominees from the right flank. That's all, this is the only reason.

Ivashov himself would be a weak competitor for Putin in the sense that organizing the necessary scale of fraud, the necessary controllability of the controllable electorate in order to ensure the election of Putin would be sufficiently simple. We saw this in the example of the same “United Russia” during the elections to the State Duma. That is, to ensure the victory of the right candidate through the use of administrative resources is not a problem.

But the removal of Leonid Ivashov from the distance was, obviously, necessary for relieving to a great extent the tensions of the West with respect to Putin. Stay Ivashov candidate - the West would have to choose between Putin and Ivashov, realizing that all other competitors like Prokhorov and all the rest are still impassable. And from the point of view of the West, Putin is better than Ivashov, who personally blew off the “lightning war” to the Americans after the landing in Pristina. For the non-admission of Ivashov, they were ready to close their eyes to all sorts of falsifications.

I listened to Putin’s speech in the straight line, Medvedev’s speech ... I’m deeply impressed by the intellectual failure of these people. Here, presidential candidate Putin is standing in front of us and responding to a reply from one of the servicemen that Serdyukov is unpopular in the army and it would be good to remove him. Instead of calmly answering that, they say, “yes, of course, we will figure it out: if the Minister of Defense is so unpopular among the military and has made so many mistakes in his work, then, of course, he will be removed from his post, and in his place a more qualified specialist will be put in, ”Putin begins to say that“ you cannot arrange a personnel leapfrog, ”and on and on.

And this is after 200 000 officers were fired! That is, extremely unpopular figures, such as Kudrin, Serdyukov, are among Putin's friends - in order to appease right-wing radicals, despite the fact that the majority of the population are not. The power is in the deepest crisis, from which it is not able to emerge today, either psychologically or, most importantly, intellectually.
But we achieved a very important result: in fact, Ivashov was declared the only uncontested leader of the united non-systemic patriotic (important clarification!) Opposition. Everyone subscribed for Ivashov - from monarchists to communists, from atheists to Orthodox and Muslims. And now, of course, certain protests will follow from us. A lawsuit is being prepared for the actions of the CEC, there is talk about the need to appeal to the Constitutional Court. It is also assumed that some mass actions will be held (more specifically, I cannot say anything here, I do not have the information). An unambiguous decision on how we will act is not yet made; we are not going to engage in “swinging the boat” and pour water on the mill of those who are seeking to destroy Russia, but they are simply obliged to express our protest against such lawlessness.

It is important to once again fix a very important point: all the documents that were prepared for submission to the CEC were endorsed by the relevant persons in accordance with the law. In addition, the representatives of the Central Election Commission were present on December 10 at the meeting, which was put forward by Ivashov. Each signature was notarized. A total of about 600 signatures were collected, which is more than enough for registration as a presidential candidate in the Russian Federation (at least the 500 members of the initiative group must be signed by the CEC. - Note KM.RU). The representatives of the CEC who were present at the meeting assured us that all the procedures were carried out absolutely correctly, and we submitted the application, being absolutely sure that there would be no problems with it. Nevertheless, it seems that the command from above came in, and the CEC easily changed its opinion to the diametrically opposite. It is impossible to disregard this, and we will react strictly, in accordance with the law. We are not going to break it: it is a taboo.

Legal comment

on the issue of refusing the CEC of the Russian Federation to register a group of voters established to support the self-nomination of Leonid Grigorievich Ivashov as a candidate for the post of President of the Russian Federation.

18 December 2011 of the CEC refused to register a group of voters created to support Leonid Ivashov’s self-nomination as a candidate for the position of President of the Russian Federation on the grounds that the requirements of paragraph 2 of Article 34 of the Federal Law “On the Election of the President of the Russian Federation” were not met - 5 was not observed -day notice period of the election commission about the place and time of the meeting of the group of voters.

In accordance with paragraph 2 of article 34 of this Law (article 34 “Self-nomination of a candidate”):

“2. To support the candidate’s self-nomination, it is necessary to create a group of voters in the number of at least 500 citizens of the Russian Federation who have an active electoral right. A voter may enter only one group of voters created to support a candidate’s self-nomination (hereinafter referred to as a group of voters). No later than five days before the date of the said meeting, the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation or the election commission of a constituent entity of the Russian Federation in whose territory the planned meeting is planned to be held shall be notified of the place and time of the meeting of a group of voters. A representative of the election commission of the subject of the Russian Federation in whose territory the meeting is held, as well as a representative of the Central Election Commission of the Russian Federation, is entitled to attend the meeting of a group of voters. ”

That is, paragraph 2 contains not one, but several requirements and it is necessary to consider them as a whole:

1) A group of voters must be created.
2) The place and time of the meeting of the group of voters must be notified to the CEC, 5 days before the day of the meeting.
3) A representative of the CEC or regional election commission is entitled to attend a meeting of a group of voters.

Consequently, the CEC’s notification is necessary for it to exercise its rights, including the powers to monitor compliance with the law in organizing and preparing the elections for the President of the Russian Federation, in this case by the presence of CEC representatives at a meeting of a group of voters in support of the election of L.G. Ivashov candidate for the post of President of the Russian Federation.

Representatives of the CEC were repeatedly notified of the place and time of the said meeting, both in writing and orally, as well as by telephone and Internet: December 05, December 06, December 08 and December 09 (paragraph 2 of the Article 34 of the Law allows the CEC to notify form). In order to issue permits and assist representatives of the CEC at the meeting, a name list of representatives sent to attend the meeting of the 10 group of voters on December 2011 was received in advance, the conditions for their meeting by the meeting organizers and other working moments were agreed.

10 December 2011 of the year CEC member Voronova T.G. and the staff of the CEC (in total, 5 people) attended the meeting, observing the registration and voting of members of a group of voters in support of the self-nomination of LG Ivashov on all issues on the agenda, informing the organizers of their comments, including confirming the legitimacy of the meeting of voters. Thus, the CEC fully exercised its rights and powers. The rights of the CEC and other persons are not violated, but, on the contrary, are fully respected.
In the aggregate, the requirements of paragraph 2 of Article 34 of the Law are fulfilled (a group of voters was created, the CEC was notified of the place and time of the meeting and sent its representatives).

Under such circumstances, the CEC resolution on the refusal to register a group of voters LG G. From a legal point of view, Ivashova is unfounded and illegal, violates electoral rights and the legitimate interests of citizens of the Russian Federation.

Statement by Col. Gen. Ivashov L.G.

The regime, which for decades has been grossly violating all spiritual and moral laws and traditional cultural values ​​of Russia, has finally embarked on the path of lawlessness and the destruction of the existing political system. The falsification of elections to the State Duma of December 4 and violations of the CEC during the nomination of presidential candidates in the eyes of the people today make all the basic institutions of state power and social management illegitimate.

10 December 2011 was attended by representatives of the Central Election Commission (CEC) at the meeting of the initiative group for my nomination of a presidential candidate, who publicly confirmed that all the necessary procedures of the CEC were observed, recognized the last vote as legitimate and legitimate. Representatives of the CEC signed all the necessary legally relevant documents. However, today the CEC unexpectedly changed its position to the opposite and refused to give this official conclusion. The CEC refused to register me under false pretenses, cynically spitting in the face of people from all regions of the country who actively supported me. The idea of ​​the current Kremlin leadership is obvious: we are able to win the trial with the Central Election Commission and get candidate status, but no earlier than a day or two before the end of the deadline for collecting signatures. This latest manifestation of lawlessness guarantees the Kremlin the removal of all objectionable candidates from the presidential campaign. At the same time, by allowing frank political outsiders and contractual candidates to the election race, you are thereby destroying the remnants of the legitimacy of the future government.

Moreover, you are depriving Russia of the future, with equal probability condemning it to revolt, or the realization of scenarios of color revolutions, after which the collapse of the state and the extinction of the once great Russian civilization are inevitable.

I cannot deceive the trust of my voters and therefore I start a campaign of uniting and consolidating statesmen on the basis of a practical program of getting the country out of a political crisis. We will not allow catastrophe and destruction of the Russian state.

I have the honor! Colonel-General Ivashov.
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  1. dred
    dred 22 December 2011 08: 41
    +12
    Fight until the end Ivashov honor and praise.
    1. oper66
      oper66 22 December 2011 23: 34
      0
      but where did he flog his hell when he was near the helm and now the guy is tired, think over if he helped to ruin the army when his brother grew up with his career then now the cheap populist in the hands of those who own the funds wake up room Limonovites or you really have everything he is a politician of a minor spill, he can criticize the acting ones - but he cannot interfere with his own, he felled America and the country, but no, he obeyed the order - a disgrace and oblivion to the populist
      1. oper66
        oper66 22 December 2011 23: 45
        -1
        Yes, and just look at the photo of this applicant - the old man tired of life in it at once and then no, we again need Chernenko and the path of this worthy general is already messed up with the shit, and now the grandchildren are chasing de help - Ivashov is an empty dummy old
  2. Ascetic
    Ascetic 22 December 2011 08: 58
    +12
    The vector is correct, but many questions cause uncertainty in specific steps, its personal team is unknown. What are they going to do with the economy, privatizers, ownership of strategic industries? From his interview on the site, the answers are not yet visible.
    Putin made it clear that nothing would change globally only once again he shook his finger at the oligarchs and promised to put them in a "stall"
    yes homegrown liberals "Banderlog" called.
    Now common words such as land to the peasants of the factory are not working for the working people of the world, I would like to see a clear strategy and a SPECIFIC program on what and how and most importantly what and with whom.
    But I would mostly give my voice to him
    1. Kite
      Kite 22 December 2011 11: 53
      -2
      I myself was surprised that I was right when I suggested that his team was acting from a "bunch of bugs". In the last interview, he writes about it himself, calling it "action from wheels"
      (http://pandoraopen.ru/2011-03-24/leonid-ivashov-revolyuciya-v-rossii-neizbezhna

      / comment-page-1 / # comment-43207) & (http://www.iarex.ru/onlines/22070.html)
      "The President of Russia must be crystal-clear before his people. Smart, talented and strong-willed. He must concentrate the best professional and scientific minds of Russia and propose a new course, a course - NEW TRANSFORMED RUSSIA, which will be built by all the people, for the good of the people and oriented towards the future for the next generation "- and this is said, in my opinion, only when declaring self-rejection.
      We look forward to continuing, i.e. concentration of the best professional and scientific minds of Russia and their support for the candidate.
      Ascetic, I can honestly tell you that although I hate bribe-takers, I am afraid of radical actions ("Putin made it clear that nothing will change globally, he just shook his finger again ..."), because if you take them right away and shoot them, then tomorrow When I come to work, I may not find 98% of the car owners' colleagues, of course both the director and his deputy, and that's not all. It is better to exhort, threaten, and act consistently, giving a chance to change your mind.
  3. 916-th
    22 December 2011 08: 59
    +7
    The refusal of the CEC to register only infuriated Ivashov. Now he will go to the end, as in Pristina. A strong man - either with a shield or on a shield.

    First response step: December 24, at 14:00 on Vorobyovy Gory in Moscow, Ivashov organizes a rally under the slogan "No - to this thieves' power! Power to the people!"
    1. 916-th
      22 December 2011 09: 30
      +7
      Ivashov will achieve this, for him there is no alternative.
  4. urzul
    urzul 22 December 2011 09: 20
    0
    Honor and praise to his PR technologist !!!! He himself is a man, of course, a good and respected one, but far from a politician, which means that someone comes up with everything for him
    1. dmb
      dmb 22 December 2011 11: 40
      +3
      Are you talking about the actions of the CEC?
      1. urzul
        urzul 22 December 2011 12: 03
        0
        And about his beloved, too, politics without dirt is not possible. And the expression of honor is puzzling to me, an honest politician cannot be by definition, otherwise he will be eaten
        1. bagira
          bagira 22 December 2011 13: 22
          +3
          It's like that. Only the main thing in politics is not dirt. Dirt is a tool. The main thing is the goal. Stalin was also not fluffy. But he took the country with a plow, and left it with space rockets.
  5. asavchenko59
    asavchenko59 22 December 2011 09: 22
    +4
    After the removal of L. Ivashov, I will not go to the presidential election at all.
    Down with the power of thieves and traitors!
    1. Col.
      Col. 22 December 2011 09: 32
      +9
      Quote: asavchenko59
      After the removal of L. Ivashov, I will not go to the presidential election at all.

      You must go to the polls! Conscience remained with us ?! Not a single vote of the enemy of the people of the GDP!
  6. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 22 December 2011 09: 23
    +8
    Bravo, general! I wish you victory in the battle against the flagrant lawlessness of the current government.
    You are a patriot of Russia and a competent geopolitician. Intelligence you also do not occupy ...
    And most importantly, take care of yourself and loved ones ...
  7. Hey
    Hey 22 December 2011 09: 38
    0
    Wimp man as a politician. He received the first political blow and immediately rallied, shouted in hysteria, instead of choosing to choose a team to think over the strategy and tactics of the election campaign if it didn’t work out he has the opportunity to collect signatures. What to yell - to tear a throat.
    Organize collection of signatures. Or again he will say that he is not allowed to do this. So the team is rubbish. That even in a simple trifle as the task of documents and then lohana or such associates that simply framed.
    The workflow is simple. Prepared and registered at home, indicated the time date. Documents were brought to the CEC in person at the secretariat, again registered by indicating the time and date. And the CEC would not go anywhere. If it is the same via mail, they will also receive a notification of receipt and registration. And laziness is not necessary and trust is not necessary. Pay by mail expedited delivery and then check the registration.
    In my opinion, all his problems are in his team.
    And then, even more strongly, this struggle for power will begin to poke. And hysteria is the last thing to do. An overnight politician does not have to get a lot of cones. My opinion is that he is good as a military man, but rather weak as a politician. Maybe for the next election - but age will already have an effect.

    Wimp man as a politician. He received the first political blow and immediately rallied, shouted in hysteria, instead of choosing to choose a team to think over the strategy and tactics of the election campaign if it didn’t work out he has the opportunity to collect signatures. What to yell - to tear a throat.
    Organize collection of signatures. Or again he will say that he is not allowed to do this. So the team is rubbish. That even in a simple trifle as the task of documents and then lohana or such associates that simply framed.
    The workflow is simple. Prepared and registered at home, indicated the time date. Documents were brought to the CEC in person at the secretariat, again registered by indicating the time and date. And the CEC would not go anywhere. If it is the same via mail, they will also receive a notification of receipt and registration. And laziness is not necessary and trust is not necessary. Pay by mail expedited delivery and then check the registration.
    In my opinion, all his problems are in his team.
    And then, even more strongly, this struggle for power will begin to poke. And hysteria is the last thing to do. An overnight politician does not have to get a lot of cones. My opinion is that he is good as a military man, but rather weak as a politician. Maybe for the next election - but age will already have an effect.
  8. Hey
    Hey 22 December 2011 09: 40
    0
    Wimp man as a politician. He received the first political blow and immediately rallied, shouted in hysteria, instead of choosing to choose a team to think over the strategy and tactics of the election campaign if it didn’t work out he has the opportunity to collect signatures. What to yell - to tear a throat.
    Organize collection of signatures. Or again he will say that he is not allowed to do this. So the team is rubbish. That even in a simple trifle as the task of documents and then lohana or such associates that simply framed.
    The workflow is simple. Prepared and registered at home, indicated the time date. Documents were brought to the CEC in person at the secretariat, again registered by indicating the time and date. And the CEC would not go anywhere. If it is the same via mail, they will also receive a notification of receipt and registration. And laziness is not necessary and trust is not necessary. Pay by mail expedited delivery and then check the registration.
    In my opinion, all his problems are in his team.
    And then, even more strongly, this struggle for power will begin to poke. And hysteria is the last thing to do. An overnight politician does not have to get a lot of cones. My opinion is that he is good as a military man, but rather weak as a politician. Maybe for the next election - but age will already have an effect.

    Wimp man as a politician. He received the first political blow and immediately rallied, shouted in hysteria, instead of choosing to choose a team to think over the strategy and tactics of the election campaign if it didn’t work out he has the opportunity to collect signatures. What to yell - to tear a throat.
    Organize collection of signatures. Or again he will say that he is not allowed to do this. So the team is rubbish. That even in a simple trifle as the task of documents and then lohana or such associates that simply framed.
    The workflow is simple. Prepared and registered at home, indicated the time date. Documents were brought to the CEC in person at the secretariat, again registered by indicating the time and date. And the CEC would not go anywhere. If it is the same via mail, they will also receive a notification of receipt and registration. And laziness is not necessary and trust is not necessary. Pay by mail expedited delivery and then check the registration.
    In my opinion, all his problems are in his team.
    And then, even more strongly, this struggle for power will begin to poke. And hysteria is the last thing to do. An overnight politician does not have to get a lot of cones. My opinion is that he is good as a military man, but rather weak as a politician. Maybe for the next election - but age will already have an effect.
    1. Varnaga
      Varnaga 22 December 2011 09: 48
      0
      I support, it's just some kind of wild h ... eta. How many times have Ivashov, along with his clowns from the "Academy of Geopolitical Problems", used to slander, demonstrate my complete incompetence, it is just that you can already compose a collection of works of a rare br ... yes.
      "Only Leonid Ivashov, as a simple Soviet general" Then I almost shed a tear. Competition for Putin, that's all, the end of everything. Someone from the mountain with a dubious reputation as an adjutant consoles himself with the thought of competing with the leader of the state. In general, the Central Election Commission should have allowed this clown before the elections, it would have looked good in the company of court jesters.
      1. aldidbel
        aldidbel 28 May 2017 04: 42
        0
        And what did the pea Putin V.V. make for the country? Another six years ran, and the promises are still there! And insanity is getting closer. Do you like Brezhnev-Putin stability? The first, following the defeatist Khrushchev, led the country to collapse with its manic-Leopoldian “let's live in peace” (the country gave 60 border guards for nothing and, if it weren't for Linkov, it’s not known at all that this crest would remain in power). The second sells the country left and right to foreigners and Komsomol members of the Zekovsky battle in the form of oligarchs, cuts down education in the vine, erects priests for Olympus. You cannot build a country with such KGB-Komsomol builders. They showed their conscience back in 91. And now they are baptized publicly for the crowd, not naturally believing in their souls, in order to collect political dividends from the government!
  9. Hey
    Hey 22 December 2011 09: 41
    -4
    Wimp man as a politician. He received the first political blow and immediately rallied, shouted in hysteria, instead of choosing to choose a team to think over the strategy and tactics of the election campaign if it didn’t work out he has the opportunity to collect signatures. What to yell - to tear a throat.
    Organize collection of signatures. Or again he will say that he is not allowed to do this. So the team is rubbish. That even in a simple trifle as the task of documents and then lohana or such associates that simply framed.
    The workflow is simple. Prepared and registered at home, indicated the time date. Documents were brought to the CEC in person at the secretariat, again registered by indicating the time and date. And the CEC would not go anywhere. If it is the same via mail, they will also receive a notification of receipt and registration. And laziness is not necessary and trust is not necessary. Pay by mail expedited delivery and then check the registration.
    In my opinion, all his problems are in his team.
    And then, even more strongly, this struggle for power will begin to poke. And hysteria is the last thing to do. An overnight politician does not have to get a lot of cones. My opinion is that he is good as a military man, but rather weak as a politician. Maybe for the next election - but age will already have an effect.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 22 December 2011 09: 51
      +14
      It’s not about Ivashov himself as a politician that the main movement does not arise from the depths of the Kremlin, but from below without the money of the political struggle’s experience as an admin resource, so the authorities are so afraid they want to clear
      1. ytqnhfk
        ytqnhfk 22 December 2011 09: 57
        -4
        He has nothing and the pristina is tortured to merit; there the performers more deserve respect!
        1. oper66
          oper66 22 December 2011 23: 51
          -2
          and how Ivashov cut rockets with humpback and ebnushka and pursued a policy of merging and substituting with NATO or forgotten, they raised the deserved one like a bugbear from Pindos sponsored and that fools would trample - well, like a hero and a goat when he served a word, he couldn’t say what he was going to mumble now kalo for dolars
      2. oper66
        oper66 22 December 2011 23: 57
        -1
        The ascetic is a respected engine without fuel, a piece of iron - who pays for it - a mishandled Cossack - was bought in the bud and he and he didn’t bother with it for the first time; he showed himself to be an employee; there are objections from the Ivashs to the category of sellers generals — they kept silent rockets and bomb carriers cut plutonium sold ... ............ you will not list everything, and now he is for the people to him the gun on his own forehead as an officer needs to put without honor, trying to have a conscience ..
    2. 916-th
      22 December 2011 09: 51
      +5
      Signature collection now does not solve anything, because after the trial, only 1-2 days would have remained in this matter. The article indicates this.
  10. ivachum
    ivachum 22 December 2011 09: 46
    +3
    Precisely because practically he (L. Ivashov) is supported by the majority of servicemen (from a simple contract soldier to generals) Serdyukov will remain the Minister of Defense until the elections. Only in this way they (VVP, DAM and EdR ...) will somehow be able to influence the voting of the military. In the past elections, the United Russia won not 80% of the votes of the military, but much less, no more than 60-63%, and this is in CLOSED territorial entities, due to the votes of the military conscript, young people, who, basically, no one except "living "EdRossovtsev is no longer known on TV. Most of the officers, contractors and members of their families voted for anyone but NOT for EdR.

    Well, how was Serdyukov able to separate the voices of servicemen from other citizens of the Russian Federation in ordinary urban areas? This is not even magic, black magic, just some kind of!

    P / S We do not have the Government and the State Duma, but the sabbath of magicians and witches is obtained. Well, brooms for flights, it’s clear where they order, in Germany, the Valkyries are home. am
    1. Joker
      Joker 22 December 2011 09: 57
      +4
      Sorcerers and witches will be more correct wink
      1. ivachum
        ivachum 22 December 2011 11: 54
        0
        It is dangerous to conjure in a country in which coal, wood, gas and other combustible materials are littered. wink Autodafe has not been canceled! am
  11. Komsomolets
    Komsomolets 22 December 2011 10: 57
    +8
    Having looked at the actions of the current government in recent times (reforming the army, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, education, elections to the State Duma, etc., etc.), I came to the conclusion that only people who are deprived of their minds or people who are selfishly interested in supporting this power can maintaining this power.
    The Edrosovskys all blame the non-systemic opposition, here I agree with them, they say they are rocking the boat, they want to ruin the country. But the current government is swaying it even more with its actions. It already looks like ogony, to legally sit in armchairs and steal further fails .....
    I sincerely support Leonid Grigoryevich Ivashov and, God forbid, he will succeed.
    Good luck Comrade General !!!!
  12. Odessa
    Odessa 22 December 2011 11: 05
    +14
    If your Ivashov is still a Soviet-era officer, then as a rule these are people with increased patriotism and are straightforward like tanks (i.e., complete lack of craftiness), and are friendly with conscience and honor. This certainly will stand for Russia to the end! Good luck to the general! !!
    1. ytqnhfk
      ytqnhfk 22 December 2011 11: 48
      -11%
      And in times of collapse, what were they doing? These brave generals are warriors? He survived 90 years of turmoil and somehow miraculously stayed afloat, but for me it’s somehow not right, since from that time all evil spirits have only been remembered — this is my personal feeling! I ask fans of Ivashov to minus!
      1. ivachum
        ivachum 22 December 2011 12: 02
        +10
        By the way, everyone who now leaves comments here have also survived the 90s and "somehow miraculously stayed afloat" to one degree or another, or their parents. Are you inviting all of them to commit mass suicide? Have you forgotten yourself?

        Or were you not yet born then? Then whence "personal feelings" and how do you know that "since then all evil spirits are only remembered"?

        By the way, both the Kremlin magicians and wizards survived them the same (90s), but the fact that they (the magicians) are afloat is well known that something does not sink and this is not MilkyVay.
      2. Odessa
        Odessa 22 December 2011 12: 20
        +5
        So, since the time of the union, how many years have passed and it wasn’t the military that destroyed it, and Ivashov’s got banned, talented and honest people as a rule have envious people and enemies, especially if it comes to big politics, this is an axiom!
      3. 916-th
        22 December 2011 12: 38
        +4
        Minus, do not minus, plus do not plus, but anyway get... In short, together we will get an answer from the authorities, I feel not long to wait. The situation jumped sharply after the Duma elections.
      4. Stalingrad
        Stalingrad 22 December 2011 12: 44
        +10
        Dear, I remind you that in 90 years, as in 17, the USSR was ruined by politicians, not the military. The military, on the contrary, loyal to the oath, tried to stop this collapse, and it was not the military who started the civil war, but politicians (17), and at 90, so that 17 would not happen, we were on alert, ready to come out to defend the constitutional system of the USSR. But, unfortunately, again, the politicians who are at the helm as part of the State Emergency Committee, ..... By the way, I remind you, war is a continuation of politics in other ways. And I do not know a single politician who knows how to fight and vice versa. Therefore, compare L.G. Ivashova with evil spirits, at least incorrectly, to say the least.
      5. bagira
        bagira 22 December 2011 13: 33
        +3
        Quote: ytqnhfk
        He survived 90 years of turmoil and somehow miraculously stayed afloat

        The essence of the charge is not clear
      6. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 22 December 2011 19: 18
        +5
        And what was GDP doing with Sobchak during the collapse? AND?
        And with what miracle did he become president?
        Why is this fact of the biography hushed up?
        1. GGP
          GGP 22 December 2011 22: 13
          +2
          Putin learned the worst of his intelligence profession, concentrated in the well-known phrase: “if we clear the husks of crackling phrases, it turns out that the intelligence officer’s job is to betray the people who trusted him.”
          Source http://via-midgard.info/
  13. Owl
    Owl 22 December 2011 13: 58
    +7
    I wish Victory to the candidate patriot!
    1. 916-th
      22 December 2011 14: 45
      +4
      Through the efforts of the CEC, he is no longer a candidate. Now Ivashov is an off-system subverter of Putin and Co. Donquixote in Russian. But he impresses me.

      Picture from his website "Academy of Geopolitical Problems":
  14. suharev - 52
    suharev - 52 22 December 2011 14: 38
    +6
    State Putin rushed to the Caucasus. Probably, the issue of all-round support for the peoples of the Caucasus will be resolved - him as the only President of All Russia. Well, Kadyr-Khan will send thirty thousand "members" of EdRa to Moskvabad as an extra. So guys are waiting for the continuation. And Ivasheva is a pity. An honest man, these are exactly what is lacking under the Kremlin stars.
  15. GGP
    GGP 22 December 2011 22: 05
    +2
    Typical and cynical layout practiced by Russian courts. As the saying goes: "The law is that tongue ..."
  16. Volodimir
    Volodimir 20 August 2017 01: 19
    0
    First of all, it’s important for Russia that power be replaced. We really don’t care who, but not the one who was already in power. Ivashov looks no worse than Trump, has excellent strategic thinking, has great leadership experience and is able to lead the country. Possessing the knowledge gained in the best academies of the world, as well as his analytical mind, he is able to create a team of people who love Russia and stop the plunder of the state, stop corruption, by carrying out a real purge of the bureaucracy and revive the country's economy. He has great authority not only in the Armed Forces, but also among the civilian population, which needs protection as never before. And you will stop praising and promising the monuments to those people who have been in power for more than twenty years, only nodding at the problems of the Soviet Union (which existed for seventy years and did so much good and useful that they never dreamed of), but you didn’t even ruin and pull apart what were not suitable for. The country is in manual mode. Extremely ineffective and incapable leadership. Cabinet is an enemy of his own country. Therefore, a man of honor and dignity, loving Russia and its people, and this is Ivashov and must lead the country.