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The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation ordered the development of a new machine gun for special operations

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The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation announced a tender for the development of a 5,5 mm machine gun for special operations, incl. in the conditions of the city and the enclosed space, transmits Lenta.ru report.

The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation ordered the development of a new machine gun for special operations
Machine gun CORD caliber 12,7 mm

The cost of OCD ("Turner-2") is defined in 25 mln. Rub. Weapon, received the designation "Cord-5,45", "will have a combined power supply (tape and store), interchangeable trunks of various lengths, light weight and dimensions: the length with folded butt without flame arrester should not exceed 900 mm with a long barrel and 750 mm - with a short , the weight without a magazine / tape is no more than 7 kg, ”results in the publication of information from the state procurement site.

The machine gun must have a rate of fire of 800-900 rds / min. “Cartridges, new 60 cartridges for ammunition, as well as existing AK-74 automatic rifles and RPK-74 machine guns for 30 and 45 cartridges will be used for power supply. New stores will also be able to be used with AK-74 assault rifles and RPK-74 machine guns, ”the publication says.

According to an expert in the field of weapons, Maxim Popenker, “the goal of the development is to create weapons for special forces, better suited for fighting in urban conditions and assault actions in the premises than machine guns like PKM and Pecheneg.”

“Turner” is less overall, lighter, more maneuverable - especially during indoor operations. It allows you to create a greater density of fire, while significantly reducing the likelihood of excesses, accidental defeats, which are possible when using a PC with a more powerful cartridge, at least it will not pierce the walls ”,
The expert explained.

The publication clarifies that "development on the" Turner "was previously conducted by the design bureau of the Kovrov plant named after Degtyarev, which is likely to become a performer on a new tender."

It is assumed that a prototype weapon will appear by the end of this year, and the tests should be completed in 2017.
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  2. marshes
    marshes 17 May 2016 14: 12
    +2
    And yesterday I was waiting for this news. On the tape yesterday was.
    If only a thumbnail image would be published.
    1. Max_Bauder
      Max_Bauder 17 May 2016 18: 09
      +3
      Why is it so bad? smile

  3. Andrey K
    Andrey K 17 May 2016 14: 13
    +5
    Judging by the presented photo: the altered "Kord" - new in it, only the caliber request
    Although for special operations in the city and indoors, this is what you need good
    Less rebound, lower recoil momentum and therefore greater accuracy good
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 17 May 2016 14: 23
      +9
      Quote: Andrey K
      Judging by the presented photo, the altered "Kord" - only the caliber is new in it
      You want to say that Kord will have weight as well? Well, almost 30 kg? laughing And how can you "alter" a heavy machine gun to a light light machine gun? Tell us, pliz. Or are you guided by the sketch name?
      In the photo to the material, just Kord and the caption below the picture hint at this. Did not notice? wink
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 17 May 2016 14: 30
        +5
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Quote: Andrey K
        Redesigned "Kord" - only new in it caliber
        You want to say that Kord will have weight as well? Well, almost 30 kg? laughing And how can you "alter" a heavy machine gun to a light light machine gun? Tell us, pliz. Or are you guided by the sketch name?

        Less to you, from me personally hi
        When you write comments, do not read the article? negative
        In this case, I will take the liberty of duplicating the printed above: “Kord-5,45”, “will have combined power (tape and magazine), interchangeable barrels of various lengths, light weight and dimensions: length with a folded butt without a flame arrester should not exceed 900 mm with a long barrel and 750 mm with a short, weight without magazine / tape - no more than 7 kg " hi
        You unsuccessfully sucked up, frankly not a topic hi
        And now, let's laugh together laughing
        PS "In a hurry, you will make people laugh" ... (folk wisdom) (c) hi
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 17 May 2016 14: 36
          +10
          Quote: Andrey K
          When you write comments, do not read the article?
          Do you read the captions under the pictures for the article? Perhaps I unsuccessfully quipped, but I didn’t express complete nonsense, unlike you. excuse me hi
          Quote: Andrey K
          And now, let's laugh together
          PS "In a hurry, you will make people laugh" ... (folk wisdom) (c)
          Yes, laugh, for God's sake. "Laughter prolongs life" (folk wisdom) hi
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 17 May 2016 14: 47
            +5
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Quote: Andrey K
            When you write comments, do not read the article?
            And do not you read the caption under the pictures? Perhaps I unsuccessfully quipped, but I didn’t express complete nonsense, unlike you. excuse me hi

            Do you only read under the pictures?
            Or, like me, did the appearance of small arms serve in the army, does it make it necessary to read the inscriptions under it? laughing
            You can answer for your words, that is, tell me where I wrote "nonsense" negative
            You are somehow childish, arrows from your nonsense, take me away negative
            Very unpleasant, populism-with, instead of discussing news negative
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 17 May 2016 14: 56
              +4
              Quote: Andrey K
              Do you only read under the pictures?
              Naturally! I have recently mastered a primer, so an extensive array of information is beyond my reach. Therefore, only under the pictures of the letters and read, yes.
              Quote: Andrey K
              Or, like me, did the appearance of small arms serve in the army, does it make it necessary to read the inscriptions under it?
              Quote: Andrey K
              Judging by the presented photo: the altered "Kord" - new in it, only the caliber
              No comment.
            2. Themi30
              Themi30 17 May 2016 15: 01
              +5
              Andrey K
              To put it mildly, you are not discussing it adequately, the picture shows the usual cord (this is an illustration for the news) and you started to judge something from the picture ... is that normal in your opinion?
              1. Andrey K
                Andrey K 17 May 2016 15: 07
                +5
                Quote: TheMi30
                Andrey K
                To put it mildly, you are not discussing it adequately, the picture shows the usual cord (this is an illustration for the news) and you started to judge something from the picture ... is that normal in your opinion?

                And I did not discuss the machine gun itself, its appearance request
                You and your colleague somehow decided everything for me and delivered a verdict to me laughing
                Quote: Andrey K
                Judging by the presented photo: the altered "Kord" - new in it, only the caliber request
                Although for special operations in the city and indoors, this is what you need good
                Less rebound, lower recoil momentum and therefore greater accuracy good

                In the absence of a reliable photo of the new machine gun, I focused on the 5,45 ammunition offered for this machine gun ... hi
                Do not attribute to me that which I did not speak hi
                1. alexmach
                  alexmach 17 May 2016 22: 11
                  +1

                  In the absence of a reliable photo of the new machine gun, I focused on the 5,45 ammunition offered for this machine gun.


                  To what? TO CORD? To a heavy machine gun? You’re talking nonsense and attacking those who tell you this. Wangyu: on the basis of the PKK, the modernized version will most likely be made.
                  1. Andrey K
                    Andrey K 18 May 2016 10: 42
                    +5
                    Quote: alexmach

                    In the absence of a reliable photo of the new machine gun, I focused on the 5,45 ammunition offered for this machine gun.


                    To what? TO CORD? To a heavy machine gun? You’re talking nonsense and attacking those who tell you this. Wangyu: on the basis of the PKK, the modernized version will most likely be made.

                    Read the comments, if you are contacting me, then read my comments and do not carry nonsense hi
                    I did not say a word about cartridge 5, 45 for the heavy machine gun, the article clearly states - "KORD-5,45". My colleagues and I discussed it request
                    About your "wang" look below in my comments photo of an experienced PU1 - this machine gun has already been developed hi
                    Your comment about anything, does not carry any semantic load, is not a discussion of the topic proposed in the article request
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        2. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 17 May 2016 17: 48
          0
          Quote: Andrey K

          In this case, I will take the liberty of duplicating the printed above: “Kord-5,45”, “will have combined power (tape and magazine), interchangeable barrels of various lengths, light weight and dimensions: length with a folded butt without a flame arrester should not exceed 900 mm with a long barrel and 750 mm with a short, weight without magazine / tape - no more than 7 kg " hi

          In the end, get something like that.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 17 May 2016 19: 16
            +5
            Aron, I won’t get anything in the end laughing
            But the Ministry of Internal Affairs, personally in my opinion, will waste money and time. The proposed "KORD - 5,45" raises many questions for me. To do it exclusively only for urban operations and (or) use in confined spaces ... The question is controversial, with a large-caliber CORD in cities so they do not run, they manage with automatic machines, well, a PC as a last resort. On covering vehicles, as a rule, armored personnel carriers - 14,5 KPVT. In my opinion, this is "for the eyes". Replacement of KORD-12,7 or "Pecheneg" (PK, PKM) (7,62x54) is not expected in the foreseeable future. In the mountains, the proposed 5,45 will win in flatness, a larger wearable b / c, but as soon as the application of the proposed sample in greenery begins, all these few pluses will turn into minuses.
            Moreover, developments in this direction have already been carried out. In the photo, an experienced PU1 5,45 mm machine gun with a universal power system from both the tape and the stores. Why did you need to reinvent the wheel again, history is silentrequest
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 May 2016 14: 56
      +9
      Quote: Andrey K
      Judging by the presented photo: the altered "Kord" - new in it, only the caliber

      Judging by the submitted photo: The journalists do not have a single photo or render of a new machine gun, so the articles are illustrated with photos of a large-caliber "namesake" - "12,7 cord". It's like attaching a photo of the famous Panzerkampfwagen to the article about the "Tiger" BA. smile

      And how the real "cord-5,45" will look like can be estimated from similar products of Belgian and Israeli gunsmiths.
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 17 May 2016 15: 01
        +5
        I agree with you, in the absence of a photo of the original - the photo is uploaded based on the name "cord-5,45" request
        1. Themi30
          Themi30 17 May 2016 15: 08
          +3
          I agree with you, in the absence of a photo of the original - the photo is uploaded based on the name "cord-5,45"


          This is a turn ... otherwise they would have made an analysis of the expert machine gun from the photo, and would have continued to spread rot, if the kind person had not come and opened his eyes to this obvious fact.

          Judging by the presented photo: the altered "Kord" - new in it, only the caliber


          Well, yes, of course you didn’t talk about the photo ... negative
          And how was the appearance determined? No need to rush to people just who correct you correctly.
          1. Andrey K
            Andrey K 17 May 2016 15: 16
            +5
            You pay too much attention to my humble person laughing
            On the topic of the article, there is something to say ourselves, without copying comments laughing
            "And how was the appearance defined? No need to rush at people who just correct you" ...
            You talk to yourself without reading the answers ... See the comments above, no need to start here. And about "rushing" and "correct" - I also answered above. I'm not interested in the squabble you impose, with the transition to personalities.
            On the topic of the article, about the machine gun "Kord - 5,45" is there anything, colleague? hi
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 17 May 2016 15: 31
              0
              Quote: Andrey K
              You pay too much attention to my humble person
              How much worthy hi
              Quote: Andrey K
              On the topic of the article, there is something to say ourselves, without copying comments
              There is. A light and small-sized assault machine gun is needed. It is for the Ministry of Internal Affairs, although I think that it is more likely under the National Guard (the current OMON, SOBR, OSPN and the same FSUE "Protection" or whatever "watchmen" will be called today). There is no such need in the territorial regional department. smile But judging by the terms of reference and fragmentary information on the combat qualities and appearance of the weapon is somewhat premature. Let's wait.
    3. Homo
      Homo 17 May 2016 17: 25
      0
      Quote: Andrey K
      Judging by the presented photo: altered "Kord"

      What photo are you talking about? While there is only a technical task!
      1. Andrey K
        Andrey K 17 May 2016 19: 38
        +5
        Quote: Homo
        Quote: Andrey K
        Judging by the presented photo: altered "Kord"

        What photo are you talking about? While there is only a technical task!

        The photo that was uploaded to the article, I'm talking about it.
        And further, I, too, about this photo hi
        Quote: Andrey K
        I agree with you, in the absence of a photo of the original - the photo is uploaded based on the name "cord-5,45" request
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  5. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 17 May 2016 14: 14
    -4
    According to Maxim Popenker, an expert in the field of weapons, “the aim of the development is to create weapons for special forces, more suitable for fighting in urban conditions and assault action indoors,
    And barrel cooling will of course be from residential water supply.
  6. max702
    max702 17 May 2016 14: 18
    +2
    A machine gun in caliber 5.45 has been asked for a long time ago, "Pecheneg" and PKM are heavy .. We need an analogue of "Mnimini" but without its innate jambs (a ruptured cartridge case in the chamber). Regarding store and tape feed, there are questions, will this complicate the design by simultaneously making it heavier? If it is really difficult, expensive, and not particularly reliable, then there is nothing to break the brain, but to make a reduced analogue of "Pecheneg" for ribbon feeding and that's enough ...
  7. kapitan92
    kapitan92 17 May 2016 14: 19
    +3
    ....... "Kord-5,45", "will have combined power (tape and magazine), interchangeable trunks of various lengths ......., ....... "According to the expert in the field of weapons Maxim Popenker," the purpose of the development is to create weapons for special forces, more adapted for combat in urban conditions and assault in the premises, ".....
    Curious! Swap special forces !?
  8. marshes
    marshes 17 May 2016 14: 21
    +8
    At the very beginning, not accuracy.
    The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation announced a tender for the development of a 5,5 mm machine gun for special operations, incl. in the conditions of the city and the enclosed space, reports Lenta.ru.

    5.45 mm.
    It is clear that the Russian response to the Belgians. FN Minimi
    1. marshes
      marshes 17 May 2016 14: 40
      +7
      Another of the same type. This is the Israeli Negev, Commando.
      1. marshes
        marshes 17 May 2016 15: 28
        +1
        Almost a lot of the wrong plane.
        Bikaliberny, multikaliberny, machine gun from South Africa.Vektor SS77, Mini-SS.
        In 1994, when the need arose for a light machine gun under the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge, the Mini-SS kit was created for the SS-77 machine gun, allowing you to remake the machine gun for this cartridge in a few minutes (the kit consists of: a new 5.56mm caliber barrel, a new shutter , gas piston, feed cover and a number of small parts). Conversion from version 7.62mm to 5.56mm and vice versa can be carried out in the field.

        Mini-SS.
    2. sub307
      sub307 17 May 2016 15: 16
      +2
      As the saying goes - "better late than never" ... this means that "Miyimi" will be "a hundred years at lunchtime" already. This is despite the fact that in the last post-Soviet years ours from the Ministry of Internal Affairs had to "work as an instrument" more intensively.
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  9. Pate
    Pate 17 May 2016 14: 24
    +6
    Now remember about the PU-21, which was developed back in the years of Soviet power.
    1. Chicot 1
      Chicot 1 17 May 2016 14: 30
      -6
      Quote: Pate
      Now remember about the PU-21, which was developed back in the years of Soviet power.

      ... and everyone will say that this is the newest "analogue" development ...
      And the one who does not agree with this will be "hohlotroll", "Vlasovets Bandera" and "agent of the State Department" ...
      1. ultra
        ultra 17 May 2016 16: 10
        +1
        Quote: Chicot 1
        that this is the latest "analogue net" development ...

        Nobody has announced this yet. laughing
        1. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 17 May 2016 16: 55
          -1
          Quote: ultra
          Nobody has announced this yet.

          I am fully confident that you will be the first if this happens in real life ... wink
          1. ultra
            ultra 17 May 2016 22: 24
            0
            Quote: Chicot 1
            Completely sure

            Yes, not only the Almighty among us mortals was hesitating !!! laughing
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 17 May 2016 14: 43
      +1
      Quote: Pate
      Now remember about the PU-21, which was developed back in the years of Soviet power.

      Killer design wink
      In 1978, the further development of the machine gun turned off. The reason is simple: under the 5,45-mm cartridge they could not create the so-called. “Rakov’s machine” for filling machine-gun belts (the prototype deformed the sleeves when they were put into the belt). And without it, belt power supply of the machine gun when the equipment of the tape was virtually manual was not possible in combat conditions.
      1. marshes
        marshes 17 May 2016 14: 49
        +2
        Quote: Bayonet
        And without it, belt power supply of the machine gun when the equipment of the tape was virtually manual was not possible in combat conditions.

        I’m still thinking about why in the factory I don’t need to equip bulk tapes and put them in a box, even if they are disposable.
        In combat conditions, if anything, you can use regular stores.
        1. max702
          max702 17 May 2016 16: 22
          +2
          Quote: marshes
          I’m still thinking about why in the factory I don’t need to equip bulk tapes and put them in a box, even if they are disposable.

          It's kind of expensive .. Infantry Vanya will manage .. Alas, this approach to the infantry in everything .. And in weapons and equipment ..
          1. marshes
            marshes 17 May 2016 16: 28
            0
            Quote: max702
            It's kind of expensive .. Infantry Vanya will manage .. Alas, this approach to the infantry in everything .. And in weapons and equipment ..

            Well, at least they would have done it for special forces, 7.62x54 would be enough for infantry and non-loose tape.
            And that is, we have something where a Belgian is used.
            1. atalef
              atalef 17 May 2016 16: 34
              +3
              Quote: marshes
              Quote: max702
              It's kind of expensive .. Infantry Vanya will manage .. Alas, this approach to the infantry in everything .. And in weapons and equipment ..

              Well, at least they would have done it for special forces, 7.62x54 would be enough for infantry and non-loose tape.
              And that is, we have something where a Belgian is used.

              http://topwar.ru/15066-izrailskiy-edinyy-pulemet-negev.html
              In AOI this has been used for a long time - Negev, there is a version under 7.62
              1. marshes
                marshes 17 May 2016 16: 41
                +1
                Quote: atalef
                In AOI this has been used for a long time - Negev, there is a version under 7.62

                I know about him the Negev NG7 and its weight is 7.6 kg. And it uses loose ribbons.
      2. bunta
        bunta 17 May 2016 20: 55
        +1
        Quote: Bayonet
        The reason is simple: under the 5,45-mm cartridge they could not create the so-called. "Rakov machine" for filling machine-gun belt

        This bike is already 100 years old.
    3. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 17 May 2016 16: 08
      0
      In! And I think, let’s first look at the comments, and then I’ll lay out a photo on the topic of PU (there were several developments). And here I look - there is! You +
  10. Slon1978
    Slon1978 17 May 2016 14: 25
    +5
    Judging by the mentioned technical specifications (weight, length, rate of fire), we want to get an analogue of FN Minimi, i.e. assault small-caliber machine gun with a high rate of fire. I think this development, if successful, will be of interest not only to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but also, at least, to the Airborne Forces, Defense Forces (army intelligence) and the GRU. A photo of Kord, to put it mildly, is not a topic at all ... And it seems to me that the Kovrov Plant them. Degtyareva will very well be able to build on the good old RPD in a new caliber, folding or telescopic stock, shortened interchangeable barrel, universal power system. An interesting development will be.
  11. Igor39
    Igor39 17 May 2016 15: 12
    -2
    I think they will do it on the basis of AK 12, for unification.
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 17 May 2016 16: 12
      +1
      A machine gun high accuracy is useless due to its purpose. Therefore, based on the AK-12, it is hardly advisable to do it.
  12. svp67
    svp67 17 May 2016 15: 18
    +2
    The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation announced a tender for the development of a 5,5 mm machine gun for special operations, incl. in the conditions of the city and the enclosed space, reports Lenta.ru.
    It is interesting that internal troops, OMON, and SOBR are withdrawn from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, so the question arises: for which units was this machine gun ordered and in what quantity would they be needed? What will patrol DPS and PPS arm them with? Or will this development be more in demand by the National Guard?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 17 May 2016 16: 12
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      and for which units this machine gun is ordered

      District precinct oh how hard. laughing
  13. vkl.47
    vkl.47 17 May 2016 15: 29
    +1
    maybe this one.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 17 May 2016 16: 58
      0
      Quote: vkl.47
      maybe this one.

      Seem to be. Was in the report about the Kovrov plant.
  14. vkl.47
    vkl.47 17 May 2016 15: 30
    +1
    he is in the drawing
  15. vkl.47
    vkl.47 17 May 2016 15: 32
    +1
    at the same cash desk
  16. Vanko
    Vanko 17 May 2016 15: 32
    +5
    Good day!

    Please tell the amateur, but why in general a machine gun in the room? can it be easier to fasten the enlarged store to AKSU? or a drum like PPSh ...

    I understand that for close combat in the city and in the rooms, the easier and more compact the weapon, the more convenient?
    1. marshes
      marshes 17 May 2016 15: 43
      0
      Quote: Vanko
      Please tell the amateur, but why in general a machine gun in the room? can it be easier to fasten the enlarged store to AKSU?

      For fire support, in a short time it is possible to create a high density of fire, at this time the comrades will have time to overload and change positions.
      It will not be able to create AKSU, all the more so after the fourth store it is very hot. There is no big opportunity for AKM with a drum magazine from the PKK, PPSh and sometimes a Thomson machine gun.
      1. Vanko
        Vanko 17 May 2016 15: 56
        +1
        OK thanks. Now it is clear.
  17. martin-159
    martin-159 17 May 2016 15: 37
    0
    I do not quite understand why a machine gun is needed in enclosed spaces.
  18. gg.na
    gg.na 17 May 2016 15: 46
    +1
    Easy not too long, maneuverable! This is the same good what is necessary for special forces! So for sure the special forces themselves made an order for such a machine gun !!! Indeed, in their operations that they carry out very maneuverability and mobility are needed! And it’s not so hard to move with it will be much easier! yes
  19. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 May 2016 15: 46
    0
    For a long time a machine gun was asking for an intermediate cartridge. Interestingly, they will do it under 7,62x39? as a base, you can use lightweight cookies.
    1. marshes
      marshes 17 May 2016 16: 00
      +4
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Interestingly, they will do it under 7,62x39?

      RAP exists, we still have in stock.
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 17 May 2016 16: 14
        0
        "The RPD exists, we still have it in our warehouses."
        There is a non-replaceable trunk.
        1. marshes
          marshes 17 May 2016 16: 22
          +1
          Quote: Black Colonel
          There is a non-replaceable trunk.

          One of the snags, "conjure" can do something. RPD 2.0 has a barrel with longitudinal ribs, to increase the cooling area. Perhaps, like Lewis and Pecheneg, they will do something.
          And in warehouses, do not throw it away. "Partizan" is to be armed with something.
      2. vkl.47
        vkl.47 17 May 2016 16: 20
        0
        in order for the tape and the store to be used. the trunks are changing. their length is different. no extra flooding is necessary. ppsh and other nonsense
  20. Ugrumiy
    Ugrumiy 17 May 2016 15: 59
    0
    It is strange why they do not consider the modification of the "Pecheneg" Institute of Engineering Physics in Serpukhov. A very good machine and has already been tested in combat. https://vk.com/video274473374_171161442
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 17 May 2016 17: 05
      +2
      Quote: Ugrumiy
      https://vk.com/video274473374_171161442

      Conversion of "Pechenega" into bullpup. An interesting machine turned out!
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 17 May 2016 18: 11
        0
        Quote: Bayonet

        Conversion of "Pechenega" into bullpup. An interesting machine turned out!


        the very thing to reinvent the wheel smile
  21. Disorder
    Disorder 17 May 2016 16: 01
    0
    According to an expert in the field of weapons, Maxim Popenker, “the goal of the development is to create weapons for special forces, better suited for fighting in urban conditions and assault actions in the premises than machine guns like PKM and Pecheneg.”

    Why do we need a machine gun for indoor operations?
  22. Yves762
    Yves762 17 May 2016 16: 04
    0
    The Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation announced a tender for the development of 5,5 (?) Mm light machine gun for special operations ...

    Have seen enough ...

    (Figure XM214 Microgun)
  23. erased
    erased 17 May 2016 16: 05
    +2
    What does the Ministry of Internal Affairs not like about the new version of the machine gun based on the AK-12?
    Why combined food if there is a 95-round disk magazine?
    Why two removable barrels of different lengths, if it is stated that the weapon will be used in densely built-up areas and settlements?

    It is clear that the Ministry of Internal Affairs was guided by something in the preparation of the application. But what? And yet - why is the 5,45 caliber selected for the Ministry of Internal Affairs? And anyway, why the order is made by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and not by the National Guard? After all, all militarized structures will now be concentrated there.
    And not a single answer yet. Only the order amount is announced.
    1. bunta
      bunta 17 May 2016 20: 58
      +1
      Quote: erased
      Are you not satisfied with the Ministry of Internal Affairs? A new version of the machine gun based on the AK-12?

      AK-12 will never be accepted into service, let alone a machine gun based on it, as well as a sniper rifle. The National Guard has already abandoned it, and this is almost half the need for machine guns.
  24. Massik
    Massik 17 May 2016 16: 17
    0
    Yeah, 5,45 ricochets from concrete to catch it, if only they will release half-shelllaughing
    Why food from the stores of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Are you going to fight surrounded by wars? What foolishness would be to return the RPD, anyway, unification is not supposed to be any, on the other hand, ~ 400 thousand dollars cannot be cut down in development.
    1. Igor39
      Igor39 17 May 2016 16: 25
      +1
      Well, there is 5,45 ORS, made by order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 17 May 2016 16: 51
      +2
      Quote: Marssik
      Why food from the stores of the Ministry of Internal Affairs? Are you going to fight surrounded by wars?

      EMNIP, according to the operating experience of the M249 / Minimi, it turned out that the concept was in principle correct: before meeting the enemy, it is better to run with a light machine gun in your hands, and during the battle it is better to reload as little as possible. That's just the double receiver for this turned out to be redundant: it turned out that instead of the store it is quite possible to use a shortened tape - 30 rounds.
  25. alex-cn
    alex-cn 17 May 2016 16: 29
    +2
    Isn't 7kg heavy for a modern light machine gun? RPK total 4,7
  26. Verdun
    Verdun 17 May 2016 16: 56
    +1
    the purpose of the development is to create weapons for special forces, more adapted for battles in urban conditions and assault actions in rooms than machine guns of the PKM and Pecheneg type
    Creating 5,45 ammunition for such tasks is rather strange. And if everything is clear about the assault on the premises, what kind of battles is the Ministry of Internal Affairs going to conduct in urban conditions? This is the Ministry of the Interior. I would like to clarify where in Russia such cities are located?
  27. Jackking
    Jackking 17 May 2016 16: 59
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    It's time, it's time to create a lightweight tape machine gun, such as the FN Minimi / M249
  28. Skubudu
    Skubudu 17 May 2016 17: 17
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    It would be nice if the tape collapsed after the shot, but did not hang.
  29. MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 17 May 2016 18: 14
    +1
    Fellow authors, it may be enough to copy the same article once every few months. Each time the same thing. All resources close to weapons and military topics are overflowing with this old news. If there is no new data or photos, please do not waste your time and our nerves.
  30. Earnest
    Earnest 17 May 2016 18: 27
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    Quote: Skubudu
    It would be nice if the tape collapsed after the shot, but did not hang.

    Quote: max702
    Quote: marshes
    I’m still thinking about why in the factory I don’t need to equip bulk tapes and put them in a box, even if they are disposable.

    It's kind of expensive .. Infantry Vanya will manage .. Alas, this approach to the infantry in everything .. And in weapons and equipment ..

    And for "them" this option works, the whole u-tube is crammed with video from the first person.
    By the way, the attenuation of the battle to the accompaniment of A-10's cannons is shown interestingly.
  31. vedruss
    vedruss 17 May 2016 18: 29
    +1
    What are their 9-millimeter pistols machine guns do not suit?
    and low-pulse and does not break through the walls ...?
    a bigger store and voila ...
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  33. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 17 May 2016 19: 02
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    While these cars were flickering
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      tupolev-95 17 May 2016 19: 05
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      But they do not fit the technical requirements
  34. berezin1987
    berezin1987 17 May 2016 20: 14
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    I hope that the new machine gun will be made on the basis of PKM or Pecheneg. Although one from the other differs only in the trunk. Copying the design of the American m249 is a bad idea, they say its reliability is not very good. Food from stores is good, but loose tape on 250 cartridges will be better. The barrel of the machine gun must be removable or allow continuous fire due to good cooling. So I see a new machine gun. RPK-74 does not allow a tight fire due to overheating and lack of tape power.
  35. berezin1987
    berezin1987 17 May 2016 20: 23
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    The 5.45 cartridge, although inferior in power to the American 5.56, was created as an answer to the Americans. The penetration of modern 5.45 is not inferior to the cartridges of 7.62x54 mm with a significantly lower weight of ammunition (about half). The effective firing range of course will be less than RMB, but more automatic. So the development is very interesting and the machine gun will be a good addition to RMB \ Pecheneg
  36. berezin1987
    berezin1987 17 May 2016 20: 29
    -1
    I wish the gun was brought to mind. On the basis of the PL-14, you can make a good army pistol and a pistol for the police (with a shorter barrel length). Yarygin pistol appeared too late (years on 30) and has a lot of flaws. From foreign I liked Czechs cz-85. The gun is steel, reliable and easy to use. Shot at the dash
  37. bunta
    bunta 17 May 2016 21: 14
    +1
    It seems that Mr. Cardin became an "adviser" in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, like Kirisenko in the concern. Now, in essence. For 25 million OCD for such a development, this is a laughing matter. Taking into account kickbacks, this is generally a penny. Considering that the customer of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, (this device was not given up to the army ...) he has a circulation of several thousand pieces. That is, taking into account the cost of production, the cost of one product will be under the cost of the tank.
    60-charging stores, if you mean four-row ones with a rearrangement in two, this is utopia. Combined nutrition is another nonsense.
    The show is mast go.
  38. uav80
    uav80 19 May 2016 12: 40
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    Quote: marshes
    Another type.

    There are also NK21 and NK51 only they are under the 308th ...